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Pants for soldiers and kings

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Don't put on your clothes
made from different substances,

made of wool and linen together.
Deuteronomy 22: 11

Pants for soldiers and kings
"Henry IV at the Battle of the Arch on September 21, 1589" Unknown artist.
Museum stories France, Paris.
Pay attention, in what lush, but short pants the artist depicted him ...

The history of clothing. Last time we looked at the topic of stockings, which were worn by both men and women as pants in the Middle Ages. They were called chasses and looked like Indian leggins, which were assigned the English name leggings (leggins). That is, separately sewn trousers, not connected to each other. In Europe, they were sewn very narrow and, like knitted stockings, covered the entire leg to the waist. At the same time they served as footwear, as they had a leather sole. But such stockings were worn mainly by nobles. And the reason was purely commonplace. It was on top of them that chain mail stockings were put on (also highways), and later - metal armor. Underwear - bra panties, tucked into the tracks and gathered on the belt, and the tracks themselves were attached to it with straps.


It is interesting that the Scythians also wore tight-fitting trousers. In any case, it was in them that the Greeks portrayed them on their black and red-lacquered painted dishes. OK. 520-500 BC BC e. Master Epictetus.
British Museum, London


And here is the legendary Amazon as seen by the Greek master of painting. She is wearing real trousers, holding a shield with an attached patterned fabric and a quiver behind her back. The torso is protected by the classic Greek thorax - a linen carapace with shoulder pads. Ancient Greek Attic white alabastron, circa 470 BC e.
British Museum, London

But what was the common people wearing at that time in Europe?

At best, the same bre, but knee-length, and during summer work the peasants in the field often tucked them higher, pulling them with lower strings to the belt. After the labors of the righteous, they lowered them below the knees and tied them with these strings already there. In the cold season, they wore knitted woolen stockings up to the knees, and on top of all this - caftans, again up to the knees.

Interesting information about the clothes of that time, especially the folk, is given to us by the famous "The Magnificent Book of Hours of the Duke of Berry" (or "The Magnificent Book of Hours of the Duke of Berry") - an illustrated manuscript of the XNUMXth century.

It contains a cycle "Seasons" of 12 illustrations depicting entertainments of the nobility and ... peasant works against the background of ancient medieval castles. This source is very valuable, since we know that the Duke Jean of Berry commissioned its design for the miniaturists brothers Paul, Jean and Erman Limburg in 1410-1411, but it remained unfinished after their death, as well as the death of their customer in 1416, after which in the calendar part of the manuscript was supplemented by an anonymous master in the 1440-1450s.

Here is one of his miniatures, look at it carefully ...


"December". Hunting scene. On it, hunters from the duke's retinue, but clearly commoners, hunted down a deer. They wear long caftans with puffy sleeves with slits, short pants and stockings - for the left hunter, while the right one doesn't even have them, flaunts with bare legs.
"Magnificent Book of Hours of the Duke of Berry",
Condé Museum, France


"July". There are two reapers working on the field. One - in a shirt and very short shorts, on the other - apparently, also similarly short shorts, but stockings on his legs. And both are wearing wide-brimmed, most likely straw hats for sun protection.
"Magnificent Book of Hours of the Duke of Berry",
Condé Museum, France


And this is "February". The miniature was painted after 1416. And it is especially interesting, but it should be viewed at high magnification. On the lumberjack at the top right, we again see short pants and knee-length stockings, but on a man or a young man warming himself by the fire at the bottom left behind a woman in a blue dress with a white underskirt, in addition to outerwear, knee-length stockings are worn, but there is no underwear at all, so that all the genitals stick out from him. Nor is it on the girl sitting behind him, who ... too ... everything is open. Looks like both him and her, their "lower regions" are very frozen!
"Magnificent Book of Hours of the Duke of Berry",
Condé Museum, France

Be that as it may, the time has come when not only knights in armor cladding their legs began to enter the battlefields, but also peasant and burgher infantry.

And the protective armor of the infantry at the turn of the Middle Ages and the New Age was a jacque - a quilted jacket lined with bone or metal plates. But the jacket was short, and it did not cover the bre. Fighting in linen shorts was simply indecent and inconvenient, and wearing knightly highways was not according to rank, and it was not affordable either.

Therefore, the infantrymen put on short pants, called breeches (English breeches or britches) - pants tightly covering the calves below the knees, made wide on the hips, protruding to the sides. The Breeches have been around since 1205. The word bréc or breoc (meaning "bre") is Old English, and before that came to England from Old French. Plural of bróc, meaning clothing for the feet.


Spanish infantrymen of the 1th century: 2 - a musketeer, dressed simultaneously in a jacque jacket, breeches and on top of them - plundra pants, 3 - a cavalry shooter with an arquebus, XNUMX - a spearman wearing a bourguignot helmet and a cuirass with plate armor for arms. Everyone is wearing stockings below the knee!
Rice. Richard Hook

They began to be worn by arquebusiers and pikemen of different countries, but the Swiss mercenaries and German landsknechts excelled in wearing these baggy trousers.


Landsknecht officer Konrad von Bemelberg (1494–1567), portrait by Petrus Christus (1566–1603), painted by him in 1582.
Kunsthistorisches Museum Vienna (Vienna Imperial Arsenal).

But what the armor depicted in this portrait looks like, in reality, we can see in the next photo ...


Armor of Konrad von Bemelberg (1494-1567). Made around 1535-1540. They are located in hall No. 3. Craftsman: Wolfgang Grosschedel (1517-1562, Landshut). The etching was done by Ambrosius Gemlich (1527–1542, Munich and Landshut). Helmet by Valentin Siebenburger (1531-1564). Material: polished iron with partial etching, gilding and blackening of indentations.
Kunsthistorisches Museum Vienna (Vienna Imperial Arsenal)


Landsknechts. Sheet number 968. “The first third of the XVI century. German military costume - Landsknechts of the XNUMXth century. "
Engravings by German authors Braun and Wilhelm von Dietz from the book "On the History of Costume"
(Louis Braun, Wilhelm von Die. Zur Geschichte der Kostüme, Munich, 1880)


Drummer and standard bearer.
Same source


Hauptmann (captain) and lieutenant.
Same source

"There is no bird more colorful" - wrote Erasmus of Rotterdam (1469-1536) about the landsknechts, noting their bright costumes and spectacular feathers with which they adorned their hats.

The landsknechts' clothes were distinguished by a special style - “puffs and slits” with a large number of slits and puffy sleeves. They wore all kinds of trousers, but they always decorated them with slits, and on the front of the pants they attached a brageta (that was the name of the bag for the genitals), often stuffed with cotton wool, and even a wallet with money was put into this bragueta!

The clergy were horrified by the protruding braguets, but the landsknechts did not pay attention to this, because the emperor Maximilian I himself allowed them to dress so pretentiously, who granted the landsknechts freedom from the laws regulating the appearance of clothing, which his other subjects had to strictly obey.

“Their lives are so short and bleak that gorgeous clothing is one of their few pleasures. I'm not going to take it away from them. "

- once declared the emperor.

And Henry VIII, King of England, even began to imitate them in dress ...

However, the fashion for the landsknechts' clothes touched not only kings ...


Around 1523, knightly armor in the style of a Landsknecht costume was made for Baron Wilhelm, the eldest son of Kaspar von Rogendorf (1481-1541), and apparently a very big fashionista. Manufacturer - famous weapons master from Augsburg Kohlmann Helmschmid (1471-1532), engraved decor by Daniel Hopfer (1471-1536).
Imperial Arsenal, New Castle, Vienna

The clothes of the sworn enemies of the Landsknechts, the Swiss, were also very bright and colorful, but still not so pretentious!


Swiss guard of the French kings: 1 - the royal guardsman of 1507 in armor that fits the legs and in a cuirass, 2 - the guardsman of 1507 in the highway and a miparty costume, 3 - the Swiss guardsman of 1520. Also in a "miparti" suit, but on the hips so-called "Spanish pants", introduced into fashion by the Spaniards back in the 4th century, 1520 - captain of the Swiss guard in 5 under Francis I, 1559 - captain of the Swiss guard under Henry II in 6, 1571 - under Charles IX in 7, 1580 - under Henry III in XNUMX. It is clearly seen how the fashion for military suits of the Swiss guard changed in the XNUMXth century.
Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. The era of the Renaissance: Infantry - Cavalry - Artillery "M .: Astrel, 2002. P. 27

By the way, the baggy trousers were also convenient for the riders of the heavy cavalry, who replaced the knights on the battlefield. They began to be worn with high, long boots and used for riding. In addition, they were a good cushioning pad on the thighs under the three-quarter armor.

It is interesting that the fashionable trousers with slits "a la landsknecht" were not only sewn from fabric, but also ... knitted. Moreover, even the noblest nobility did not disdain such knitted pants!

Here, for example, is the photo below, on it pants with an impressive size braguet are tied, although inside they have a strong lining!


Knitted upper pants of the Duke Augustus I of Saxony. Knitting in yellow silk, lined with two layers of yellow silk and undyed goat skin. Waist: 89 cm, leg length: 41 cm. Weight: 440 g. Made around 1552-1555, most likely in Saxony.
Dresden Armory

Then they went to war like to a holiday.

For example, the same landsknechts spent significant sums of their salary on clothing. Other soldiers also tried to keep up with them, which is why, say, the same arquebusiers and musketeers of the XNUMXth century look so bright and colorful.


Arquebusiers and musketeers of the 1th century: 1520. English arquebusier with the characteristic red cross of St. George on a tunic, 2 1520. Arquebusier of the Landsknechts, 3, traditionally dressed luxuriously and brightly. 1530. Arquebusier, dressed in new-style highways, sewn into one piece and with a snap-on front cover, 4 1560. Arquebusier of the Landsknechts, 5 1585. French musketeer, 6 1590. French musketeer, 7 in trousers- breeches. 1580. Musketeer, XNUMX
Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. The era of the Renaissance: Infantry - Cavalry - Artillery "M .: Astrel, 2002. P. 23

It should be noted that it was in the XNUMXth century that many changes took place in clothing, both civilian and military.

"Spanish pants" became widespread (English trunk hose - short spherical pants with a thick lining), which were sewn from a smooth or patterned expensive fabric, had a double quilted lining under it, which was stuffed with cotton wool, chopped horsehair, or even just hay or ... sawdust.


Juan of Austria in Spanish pants. OK. 1580 Juan Pantoja de la Cruz (1553-1608).
El Escoril Monastery, Spain

The front was usually completed with a codpiece and were very uncomfortable. However, the third estate did not recognize them categorically, preferring longer pants, pantaloons. However, the fashion for Spanish pants in Western Europe lasted until the XNUMXth century. And to replace the "Spanish pants" came baggy plundras, which appeared at the end of the XNUMXth century.


By the way, today the Swiss guards guarding the Vatican look as historic as they did before.
Photo by the author


Pikemen of the XVI century: 1. Italian pikeman, 1500 Instead of a hat (bonnet), they could wear a barbut helmet or a simple headdress in the form of a bowler hat. 2. Swiss pikeman, 1510. His infantry half-armor is typical of the time. It consists of a bib and a backrest, but, in addition, it is equipped with two small side plates that covered the sides and were fixed to the backrest with hinges. 3. Swiss Pikeman, 1530. He is wearing captured armor, from which he removed his shoulder pads, an unnecessary spear hook and leggings to maintain the desired flexibility. Its pike is equipped with a reflective disc called the brise-perspective. 4. German pikeman, 1555. His sword is an Italian schiavona. It was at this time that the pants reached the limit of possible extravagance. 5. 1570 Breastplates, with more or less ornaments, were in use until the middle of the 6th century, but then they began to be produced of such poor quality that the plate skirt became a single piece, with imitated plates and rivets, and was stamped with one press. blow! 1582. XNUMX The breastplate (corselet) lost their shoulder pads. A helmet without a visor and armor already testifies to the imminent decline of plate craft ...

Know, however, still wanted to stand out in every way possible, including pants. And she also did not want to part with the traditional tracks, which were very beautifully wrapped around her legs.

The result of a compromise between the presence of trousers and the preservation of the shosses became plundras (German pluderhosen: pludern - to protrude, to make them bulging; hosen - trousers) - short, baggy-looking men's trousers, sewn from cloth, velvet or brocade, with vertical slits through which one could see lining, therefore their other name, slang - "pants with stuffing." It was they who replaced the very uncomfortable "Spanish pants", amicably ridiculed not only by commoners, but also by the famous Spanish writers of that era.


Claude of Lorraine (1578-1657), Prince de Joinville, 1610st Duke of Chevreuse. Frans Pourbus the Younger. Time of creation: XNUMX
Elthorp, Spencer Earl family estate in Northamptonshire, England

In this picture, he is depicted just in plundra!

Plundras can without exaggeration be attributed to the most extravagant phenomena in the history of the costume. The weirder they looked, the simpler, however, they had a cut.

They differed from the previous trousers in size, cut very wide and gathered in thick gathers around the leg. These pants extended to mid-thigh or knee-length and allowed to show the legs in tight-fitting stockings. Despite all their impracticality, from the second half of the XNUMXth century they became part of the European palace or military costume, and in Poland, where they were called pludry, they were worn in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries.


Costume of Elector Christian II of Saxony (1583-1611) from dark red satin with original perforation in the form of hearts! Made in 1610
Dresden Armory


Ulrich III, Duke of Mecklenburg in plundra, c. 1573 Theodore Fischer (1817-1873).
Schwerin Castle, Germany

Naturally, new armor was needed for the new pants. For example, with lamellar legguards, lying just on the plundra, as in the ceremonial portrait of King Henry IV of Bourbon by Frans Purbus the Younger (1569-1622).


But we will be more interested in another portrait of Henry IV of Bourbon. Written around 1610 by the same Frans Pourbus the Younger from the Louvre collection. It depicts the king in typical cuirassier armor in "three quarters"

Over time, these pants began to stretch downward, they more and more resemble melons, and have already begun to cover the knee. And they themselves were no longer so plump, and the slots, in particular, in the XNUMXth century were no longer decorated.

Buttons sewn on the side at the seams very often served as decoration. Interestingly, the custom of sewing buttons or beads at the seams is extremely ancient, which has come to us from the depths of centuries. In the famous Sungir burial found in the Vladimir region, skeletons about 34 years old were found covered with thousands of beads made of mammoth bones. Moreover, their position just indicated that the beads were the decoration of the seams of the clothes of the buried!


Illustration by Denis Gordeev for the novel by A. Dumas "The Three Musketeers": "Athos gets a certificate of protection from my lady." Pay attention to his pants. They have become longer and are decorated with buttons at the seams!

As for the cuts, which the Landsknechts loved to decorate their clothes and pants with, they sank into oblivion together ... with the Landsknechts themselves, and the clothes of soldiers and civilians became simpler once again.

So already at the end of the reign of the "sun king" Louis XIV, the costumes of his courtiers and his soldiers looked completely different from at the beginning of his reign. In general, the fashion for breeches (or culottes, as they were called in France), that is, rather narrow pants to the knees, lasted an exceptionally long time ...


Silk breeches on a mannequin, approx. 1800 Italy.
Los Angeles County Museum of Art

To be continued ...
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 18 December 2021 06: 05
    +19
    Brooks should be like a pipe. Put it differently - the physiognomy is no longer there. Thank you for the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but my knowledge on this issue fits into this phrase of a well-known movie, I will read the comments .. Good morning, everyone, and have a good weekend!
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 06: 27
      +15
      Completely far from everything related to fashion. In the service, they have already decided for me - form, the main thing in life is comfortable. The only thing, at the level of professional deformation, there and there are "solid black socks." Well, he is also picky in the choice of working clothes "camouflage", although even here the most important thing is not the style, but the fabric.
      Today, having read and looked at the illustrations with pleasure, Vyacheslav was sincerely glad that civilization was "born" with modern trousers, without codpieces, garters and bows !!!
      I subscribe to the good wishes of the Leader, all a good day !!!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 08: 20
        +13
        Completely far from everything related to fashion.
        Of course, we are all such brutal macho here, but the humor of the situation lies in the fact that the term "trousers" itself appeared on the territory of the current high fashion, in Cisalpine Gaul, whose capital is Milan.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 08: 54
          +13
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Completely far from everything related to fashion.
          Of course, we are all such brutal macho here, but the humor of the situation lies in the fact that the term "trousers" itself appeared on the territory of the current high fashion, in Cisalpine Gaul, whose capital is Milan.

          Anton, what if the tastes of “Gaul in trousers”, but “Galia in a toga” have become firmly established. It would be indescribable happiness to wrap up in six square meters of snow-white fabric, put on felt boots, a hat with earflaps and go to scrape the snow near the house !!!
          Not at the call of my heart and December outside the window, I personally vote for "Shaggy Gaul" nafig-nafig, tea is not Greece and Rome, but the Riphean mountains, where white flies and griffins live !!!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2021 09: 09
            +10
            Vlad, but you, too, do not clean the snow in a three-piece suit, so in Rome the toga was for "going out to the people"
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 09: 56
              +10
              Anton buddy, I might surprise you, but I don't have a "three-piece suit". repeat
              A universal jacket, a couple of civilian ties and some jeans that I have never worn. laughing
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 18 December 2021 22: 04
                +2
                I got great pleasure from the interesting story of Vyacheslav Olegovich. good Thank you! hi How colorful these Middle Ages are! Spanish pants and braguets always make me laugh (as in This was it possible to walk?), but the baronial bragueta is something! laughing laughing laughing
            2. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 19 December 2021 19: 08
              +1
              So already at the end of the reign of the "sun king" Louis XIV, the costumes of his courtiers and his soldiers looked completely different from at the beginning of his reign. In general, the fashion for breeches (or culottes, as they were called in France), that is, rather narrow pants to the knees, lasted an exceptionally long time ...

              In general, culottes were dear to the French aristocracy during the Revolution of 1789. The adherents of the revolution from the "Third Estate" were called sans-culottes - "without culottes." They were wearing pants ... The character is on the left.
        2. Liam
          Liam 18 December 2021 10: 06
          +8
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          the term "pants"

          The Italian Pantalone derives from the French Pantalon, which in turn derives from the 15th century Venetian Pantalone mask wearing pants



          Hi hi
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2021 16: 11
            +3
            Hi! hi
            Judging by the last characterization, the character was assigned the role of Uncle Scrooge?
        3. depressant
          depressant 18 December 2021 11: 18
          +7
          the term "trousers", appeared on the territory of the current high fashion, in Cisalpine Gaul, the capital of which is Milan.

          Julius Caesar, heading to Cisalpine Gaul, believed that he was going to conquer the savages, and when he arrived, he found flourishing trading cities. Apparently, intelligence was not working well.

          Good morning, dear colleagues, and have a nice day! love )))
          Or is it already day?
          There was such a knock that I went to Yandex at 23:45 pm and saw "Agile" blazing. I looked at the fire and felt myself burn out from the inside with rage. And I burned out like this until 4 in the morning, woke up at 9 - this was not the case with me for a long time! And now, finally coming to my senses, I hasten to admire the plundras of Ulrich III - wow, bubbles! wassat )))
      2. Kozak Za Bugra
        Kozak Za Bugra 18 December 2021 08: 31
        +8
        Hello, I agree, it's good that this tribute to fashion is left behind, although I must admit that a wallet near the sacred place in the "bragueta" is a very convenient thing for protecting small property from pickpockets, unless it helps from a pervert.
        But more than gulfs, I am surprised by these ahem ... protective equipment of armor in intimate places.
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 21 December 2021 12: 35
        +3
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Completely far from everything related to fashion. In the service, they have already decided for me - form, the main thing in life is comfortable. The only thing, at the level of professional deformation, there and there are "solid black socks." Well, he is also picky in the choice of working clothes "camouflage", although even here the most important thing is not the style, but the fabric.
        Today, having read and looked at the illustrations with pleasure, Vyacheslav was sincerely glad that civilization was "born" with modern trousers, without codpieces, garters and bows !!!
        I subscribe to the good wishes of the Leader, all a good day !!!

        Codpiece, garters, this is not any decoration, but a simple necessity. Like most of all other details, from the buttons in the seams to the braguetas. There, in the engraving, there are no "short pants", this is a loincloth. How was it different? Lack of seams.
        Two-piece pants and everything else was due to the still weak development of metallurgy, and the weaving business too. Imagine that your most precious thing is rubbing along a seam made with a needle, almost as thick as a little finger, and with a thread of two millimeters, which is also uneven. About such a seam (and you need more than one), you will tear your favorite to pieces! It's a pity ... Involuntarily you will start to fence brageta in order to stuff something softer there.
        The same caused the breeches, and other ball-shaped pants, and other wild styles. So that the seams are as small as possible, and so that they do not touch the skin very much. And then they will take everything away. So the clothes were gradually simplified, as it became possible to make threads thinner and more even, and, most importantly, needles! A sewing needle has always cost insane money, because steel was used for it from the best, and making them is not easy for a blacksmith. In general, the needles went on a par, or even ahead of the weapon. A thick sword - a thick needle, a hefty bragueta. Thin rapier - the needle is ten times thinner, tight-fitting styles. The leading role in clothing was played, of course, by metallurgy) Of course, do not expect such generalizations from Mr. Shpakovsky, so we had to intervene a little.
    2. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2021 16: 40
      +3
      Well. Pants .... A little more. To iron this disgrace. Probably I will never learn. The arrows are numerous all the time. ))))
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 18 December 2021 06: 27
    +8
    I also read it with pleasure, I wonder if there is no life for me without sportswear or sportswear winked
  3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 06: 34
    +15
    Not our Athos, Aramis and Porthos are much more colorful!


    Porthos is generally "darling"!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 18 December 2021 07: 00
      +14
      It is already difficult to imagine D'Artagnan in the performance of another actor, but after all, they originally wanted Abdulov ... Boyarsky was supposed to be Rochefort ... In general, I can't imagine what kind of film it would have turned out and then he would have had such fame and audience love ...
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 07: 09
        +14
        If, seriously, the film is replete with bloopers, inconsistencies and roughness. But he entered and as soon as he entered, becoming in the post-Soviet space not even a classic adaptation of the novel by A. Dumas, but a reinforced concrete anchor “as it was” sometimes challenging the “truth” of the book itself !!!
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 18 December 2021 09: 32
          +10
          Exactly! And "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson"! Even the British recognized Vasily Livanov as the incarnation of a detective, despite the same bloopers, inconsistencies and roughness. And the film "Quiet Flows the Don" - the same story! Pyotr Glebov is not even a Cossack, and neither is Bystritskaya, but how they did it! Masterpiece! By the way, in this case, the film did not even spoil the book at all, it only added color to the great work of art! In my opinion, this is almost the only example of this, usually books are more interesting than films, but not in this case!
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2021 11: 15
            +9
            Quote: Crowe
            Exactly! And "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson"! Even the British recognized Vasily Livanov as the incarnation of a detective, despite the same bloopers, inconsistencies and roughness. And the film "Quiet Flows the Don" - the same story! Pyotr Glebov is not even a Cossack, and neither is Bystritskaya, but how they did it! Masterpiece! By the way, in this case, the film did not even spoil the book at all, it only added color to the great work of art! In my opinion, this is almost the only example of this, usually books are more interesting than films, but not in this case!

            Both "Amphibian Man" and "Scarlet Sails" films are more interesting than books. True, “Scarlet Sails propagandize terrorism, but in 1960 they looked at it differently!
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 18 December 2021 13: 08
              +4
              Terrorism?
              There is also a simple household revenge!
              If you are guilty of the death of my wife, then swim to yourself in the stormy sea ...
              1. kalibr
                18 December 2021 13: 30
                +4
                Not! You do not remember. There is a scene when Gray and the boatswain get into the tavern and what happens there and what then ...
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 18 December 2021 13: 42
                  +4
                  Your truth.
                  Is it in a movie or a book?
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 18 December 2021 16: 40
            +4
            Well, controversial, very controversial. Example. The story of Matisson and the film "based on her." recourse
          3. LisKat2
            LisKat2 18 December 2021 16: 59
            +7
            "I just added colors," after all, this is true.
            When I read "Quiet Don" I had a mixed attitude towards Melekhov: I was angry that Natasha had neglected for the sake of Aksinia. Already an adult I saw "Quiet Don" and the scene where Melikhov buries Aksinia, struck me. Once again I read the first book: "Quiet Don" and realized how deeply Melikhov loved Aksinia!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 09
              +5
              Oh, Katya! The main thing in this book is love? By the example of his characters, the author showed a rift, a rupture in the LIFE of people. Do you understand? Hence the throwing of Grigory, yes, damn it, not only him! Who is he? Cossack? Red? White? How to live? Love? Well, it also has a place to be.
              1. LisKat2
                LisKat2 18 December 2021 17: 43
                +4
                Sergei, I remember Malakhov's throwing. Remember how he dreamed that there were no whites and reds?
                But for me the main thing is: feelings, and the rest will follow
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 45
                  +3
                  Melekhov !!!! Malakhov is not capable ... of throwing himself out of the TV box.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 18 December 2021 19: 57
                  +1
                  What other Malakhov?
          4. Phil77
            Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 24
            +2
            As for some Englishmen who were touched by our production of Sherlock. So, sir. Livanov was cunning! They have a small community of Holmes lovers there. And it was they who sent him a "letter" that he is the very, very, very, and the fact that Sherlock Holmes is smoother than him no. And never will. And he? Well, PR is superfluous, right? That's the whole story ... about Livanov-Holmes. There is also an old TV show "The Dogs of the Baskervilles", right there! Nikolay Volkov, how good it is! She is on YouTube.
        2. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp 18 December 2021 17: 49
          +1
          Yes, when I read "The Three Musheters" Boyarsky appeared in the form of D'Artanyan.
        3. bk0010
          bk0010 19 December 2021 01: 00
          +2
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          If, seriously, the film is replete with bloopers, inconsistencies and roughness. But he entered and how he entered
          I was surprised to learn that among the artists, this film was very disliked. Gaft even wrote an epigram:
          -Poga-poga-shit on old Dumas,
          -Our world has never seen such shit!
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 18 December 2021 16: 28
      +5
      Vladislav, hello! smile
      I don’t know, in my youth I saw a magnificent French film of 1961 with the magnificent Mylène Demongeot as Milady, and I simply don’t perceive our "musketeers", it is impossible to see the French in them. request

      1. Phil77
        Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 03
        +4
        Terekhova is certainly not Milen ... Demonjo. And Boyarsky ... not Fantomas at all. laughing
        Of course, I'm talking about the main rivals and opponents. bully
  4. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 18 December 2021 06: 59
    +12
    Cool article. Thank.
  5. Van 16
    Van 16 18 December 2021 07: 16
    +11
    I read somewhere that the form of the Vatican Swiss guards was invented by Michelangio. But whether it is true or not, I will not say.
    1. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2021 16: 51
      +3
      And do not say! Half is true. The fact is that the mercenaries had a "color", over time, stuck. 400 Leo fidelity promotes tradition.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 01
        +3
        And come on, Andrei Borisovich, in more detail. About the second half? laughing
        Greetings!
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 December 2021 18: 18
          +3
          Greetings! I'm not ready for more details yet. Well, shouldn't you fill the ground with rumors? The Swiss have their own legends.
          But personally, it seems to me that the Italic mercenaries turned to the popes with such an ass that they had to seek protection from foreigners
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 19 December 2021 20: 10
            +1
            - Do not be mistaken ... A certain Italian Chiarra Colonna filled the face of Pope Boniface! smile
    2. LisKat2
      LisKat2 18 December 2021 17: 01
      +2
      I read about it too
  6. Korsar4
    Korsar4 18 December 2021 08: 10
    +8
    The Book of Hours is truly luxurious. It is interesting what kind of air temperature was reflected in the figure for February. There is snow, but how many trees with bare feet could be cut down.

    However, it can be assumed that "the artist sees this way."
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 December 2021 09: 37
      +8
      The fact is that without reference to architectural dominants on this miniature, unlike others, it is difficult to attribute the depicted area. This could very well be the south of France.
      Pay attention that on the miniature "December" all the trees are foliated, albeit yellow
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 18 December 2021 10: 34
        +8
        Noticed. Beech and oak leaves can last for a long time. Many types of oak trees remain evergreen.
  7. Kozak Za Bugra
    Kozak Za Bugra 18 December 2021 08: 27
    +8
    As always a great article from the author, it's nights here in South America, so it turned out to be a fascinating bedtime reading.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 December 2021 09: 19
      +8
      here in south america at night
      And in general, your summer is in full swing!
      1. Kozak Za Bugra
        Kozak Za Bugra 18 December 2021 09: 59
        +8
        And in general, your summer is in full swing!

        Yes sir! And you have winter, if you honestly would like a snowball. Summer is humid and hot here, so it's just right to do the destruction of cold beer in nature near the river, but the problem is that basically in summer you have to go to work at 40 degrees, as it is done sadly.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 18 December 2021 10: 24
          +6
          I know my buddy lives in Ecuador
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 11: 01
            +5
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            I know my buddy lives in Ecuador

            Well, South America is also not small, I think the weather in Ecuador is significantly different from Argentina !!!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 18 December 2021 11: 06
              +7
              If a colleague writes about +40, he is clearly not chasing penguins around Tierra del Fuego
              1. astra wild2
                astra wild2 18 December 2021 12: 39
                +3
                I would venture to suggest that this is Paraguay, Ecuador, in these states there are many of our former compatriots
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 58
                  +3
                  Where are there no Russians? Well ... conditionally Russian. Well ... good! B / compatriots. laughing
                  1. astra wild2
                    astra wild2 18 December 2021 18: 04
                    +1
                    Perhaps on the moon?
                    Although, remember the anecdote:
                    - With the help of a crowbar and some kind of mother?
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 11
                      +3
                      There is no such certainty. The moon? It's close.
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 13
                      +3
                      I use a mother every day, more often, in short, always.
                      1. astra wild2
                        astra wild2 18 December 2021 18: 48
                        +1
                        I also have to use foul language, but I try not to advertise, and the pig can also use it for joy
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 13
                        +2
                        It's old-fashioned. Women are ... not to face. And what a good name, Katya!
                      3. astra wild2
                        astra wild2 19 December 2021 09: 13
                        0
                        "old-fashioned" I also think so and therefore try not to advertise
                      4. astra wild2
                        astra wild2 19 December 2021 09: 15
                        0
                        "What a good name" is no worse for me!
                      5. Fat
                        Fat 20 December 2021 02: 45
                        0
                        From happiness! Would be .. The words themselves will come. Correct and timely ...
  8. tlauicol
    tlauicol 18 December 2021 08: 27
    +8
    "Prichindaly" of both sexes, which is characteristic, hairless. The beginning of the 15th century. wink
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 December 2021 09: 03
      +9
      Elements of personal hygiene, widespread in the Middle Ages and happily forgotten during the Renaissance. Practiced back in Ancient Greece
      1. Fat
        Fat 20 December 2021 02: 55
        +1
        Well, who is rich in what. My hair on my head grows more on my head and not armpits, probably from the frequency of use.
        Where the climate sweats there)))) And then immediately shave
  9. Kozak Za Bugra
    Kozak Za Bugra 18 December 2021 08: 34
    +9
    By the way, in Spanish, "brageta" is a fly.
  10. astra wild2
    astra wild2 18 December 2021 09: 54
    +9
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues, good morning.
    Outside the window, dull grayness, rain, + 2! And I don't give a fuck: I sit at home admiring the illustrations. Vyacheslav Olegovich, as always, tried his best and picked up illustrations.
  11. Tests
    Tests 18 December 2021 10: 06
    +7
    Kote pane Kohanka (Vladislav), dear, and on alarm, in the years when you were a listener in Yekaterinburg, did you fasten a dozen small buttons on your shirt, or did you quickly put on a T-shirt in everyday uniform?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 18 December 2021 11: 11
      +7
      Quote: Tests
      Kote pane Kohanka (Vladislav), dear, and on alarm, in the years when you were a listener in Yekaterinburg, did you fasten a dozen small buttons on your shirt, or did you quickly put on a T-shirt in everyday uniform?

      Life is hard, especially when my other half is hurrying me up today. In those distant years, in an easy one - 45 seconds to get ready on the floor, 5 minutes to line up on the parade ground, 20 minutes - on the parade ground in gear.
      Although there was a "good" signal "for the fortress", the main thing to use it was to arrive in 20 minutes to the duty unit, and in what (at least in what the mother gave birth). Only out of laziness from this, it was possible to be in a vest on bare feet in slippers on the roof, a hostel in the rain. And cook there for an hour or two.
      Otherwise, the police uniform of those years was quite diverse and comfortable. The field was on the buttons, pea jackets had already appeared. The return to buttons came in the mid-00s. Personally, I think it's a step back.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 19 December 2021 11: 32
        +1
        In the BB field there are only buttons. And the chevron on the left shoulder of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs - Mom Come out Money, Soon, Soon, Native))
  12. Undecim
    Undecim 18 December 2021 10: 23
    +7
    And here is the legendary Amazon as seen by the Greek master of painting. She is wearing real pants

    The Greek trouser maker was not wrong.

    Nomad trousers found during excavations at the Yanghai cemetery in China. Sewn between the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries BC.
    Judging by this find, if not for the nomads, they would still be walking without pants.
    1. astra wild2
      astra wild2 18 December 2021 12: 29
      +2
      Hello, Victor Nikolaevich. You are in a good mood today. Usually you have a fly in the ointment
    2. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2021 16: 56
      +1
      Thanks, but I don’t believe there is a difference between panties and pants? As an expert, tell me why. The smell? Your version!
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 18 December 2021 17: 23
        +2
        is there a difference between panties and trousers?

        Of course have. Panties are underwear, pants are outerwear.
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 December 2021 18: 23
          0
          Oh yeah. Both without care ... Let's say ... unattractive
  13. Tests
    Tests 18 December 2021 10: 23
    +7
    In "July" the reapers have in their hands an almost Arkhangelsk pink salmon scythe, which was mowed, now almost no longer mowed, on islands, on slopes and other inconveniences. If the "scythe" on gasoline or electricity does not buzz into the hand, as in summer residents, then in the hands is almost always a Lithuanian scythe with a long handle with a braid. Which is understandable, to mow pink salmon - the back begins to ache in half an hour, when mowing with a Lithuanian, the back is straight, even an hour of mowing without a break.
  14. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 18 December 2021 10: 37
    +7
    Good morning everybody!
    What struck me after reading the article was the inconvenience and impracticality of clothing. They even thought of hay and sawdust :)
    The fashion of the landsknechts for clothes with cuts somewhere echoes the fashion of the Caucasian scouts for torn clothes.
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 December 2021 11: 54
      +7
      Well, these gentlemen who stuffed their pants with hay and sawdust - they didn't work! )))
      As for the peasants, all of them in the summer, that is, at the time of field work, playing the role of seeding and harvesting combines, they wore a kamiza, a shirt like this - with sleeves, but one-piece. Once, in my youth, I sewed myself such a "kamiza" from a piece of red calico (lying around in the closet). True, the width of the piece of fabric was not enough, the sleeves turned out to be short, but for the summer it was just that. And I have to admit that in the future I have never had more comfortable clothes. Everything with sewn-in sleeves sits well, and when putting on and working around the house behaves extremely unpleasantly - presses, rubs.
      1. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 18 December 2021 12: 01
        +3
        Yes, you have to pay for the "show-off" ...
        What then, what now ...
        1. depressant
          depressant 18 December 2021 12: 35
          +7
          Especially for "show-off" in the Middle Ages, they paid with diseases of the legs. Because of the fashion for ridiculous pointed shoes. The longer the nose, the more prestigious. It got to the point that fashionistas tied the "noses" of their shoes to the belt. The remains of about two hundred men from that time were examined. And what happened?
          Expensive, but status shoes have become
          the cause of the development of bursitis in its owners. And if from the 11th to the 13th century about 6% of the population suffered from bursitis, then at the peak of the craze for sharp-toed shoes around the 15th century - almost 30%.
          Bursitis is an inflammation of the mucous bags in the joints.
          To say that there is no such thing now is hardly.
          1. CHEREDA73
            CHEREDA73 18 December 2021 12: 41
            +5
            It seems that such pointed-toed shoes were called pullens? I could be wrong. Yes, illustrations for the High Middle Ages often depict people in such pointed shoes. But, even to tie these long noses to the belt ?! Poor fellows ...
            1. depressant
              depressant 18 December 2021 14: 20
              +4
              Yes, this is exactly the hypertrophied type of bullet, which has gained popularity since the middle of the 14th century. In addition to the unobtrusive form of bursitis, wearing such bullets caused negative consequences in many cases. The bursitis developed in such a way that it often led to a deformity of the big toe, and painful growths appeared on both feet. As a result, people were more likely to fall and receive fractures. And an attempt to remove growths by surgery in the conditions of the then medicine sometimes led to death. Therefore, the pulleins were named "killer shoes".
              But research has shown that it was not the poor who suffered from bursitis, but the rich. From this it was concluded that pulleins were not affordable shoes, they were expensive and so much so that even once in their lives the poor could not afford to buy them. If they could, it would turn out that bursitis would spread among the poor. After all, it is enough to walk a couple of times in such shoes, as a foot disease can occur.
      2. Fat
        Fat 18 December 2021 16: 59
        +2
        Not everyone has an African temperament. Best regards, yours sincerely ....
        1. depressant
          depressant 18 December 2021 17: 11
          +1
          Andrey Borisovich finally got to this article. And then, I look, I'm stuck on the old one. Stuck and stuck and doesn't want to leave wassat )))
          1. Fat
            Fat 20 December 2021 03: 42
            +1
            The brake is on interesting things and people are good ... Do you, Lyudmila Yakovlevea, have other qualifications?
            1. depressant
              depressant 20 December 2021 09: 24
              +1
              I would like to live in such a way that I could slow down for more than a day. Not like this: don't do today what you can do tomorrow.
              Greetings, Andrey Borisovich!
              1. Fat
                Fat 20 December 2021 11: 53
                +1
                Alas. The more time, the more difficult it is to manage it correctly. You always need to do a lot, and the count of minutes is lost (
                1. depressant
                  depressant 20 December 2021 12: 29
                  +1
                  "Do not think down the minute!" -- so yes? I'm still thinking where the time goes. I have no time! And life goes on without slowing down for a second. And you can't shout: "Stop, I'll get off!" wassat )))
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 20 December 2021 12: 57
                    +1
                    Well .... "Stop a moment, you are wonderful"
                    Words are not from our contract with the eternal
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 20 December 2021 13: 03
                      +1
                      Come on! Let's creak some more. Spring will come, and with it hope. After all, when something changes from the outside, every person, even such an inveterate cynic like me, perceives it as a change in his own life. There is change, there is life. Winter would have to survive, but it has just come and is perceived as a deterioration in external circumstances, and, accordingly, personal. I don't have the opportunity to ski and skate!
                      Yes, and I do not know how wassat )))
  15. depressant
    depressant 18 December 2021 11: 47
    +6
    Interestingly, in the Middle Ages, underwear was not recognized as an intimate part of the toilet, which should be hidden from the eyes of strangers. As a result, the outerwear was cut out so that through the cuts one could see the linen, decorated with embroidery on the collar and sleeves - a demonstration of welfare? )))
    1. Fat
      Fat 20 December 2021 03: 48
      +1
      Well, I don’t know .. Little ruffles on a panties only for the very, most. ))))
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 December 2021 09: 25
        +1
        Why are you all the secrets - that's how you took it and laid it out! wassat )))
  16. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 18 December 2021 11: 48
    +6
    Plundras can without exaggeration be attributed to the most extravagant phenomena in the history of the costume.

    How to say...

    Over the royal pants - a skirt. Children's. It's just that Louis XIV became king at a rather tender age, and the courtiers have such a lot - to imitate the king. Skirts with lace over culottes, vests with circles and similar attributes came into fashion. Moreover, the king grew up at one point, and the fashion held on for some time :)))
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2021 13: 34
      +3
      "The era of children's fashion" - this is the name of the time.
    2. depressant
      depressant 18 December 2021 13: 39
      +4
      A good question was raised by you, Ivan)))
      The fact is that imitation of a person in power in clothes is one of the signs of servility in front of her, ostentatious loyalty.
      The etiquette of servility and humiliated obedience to the king did not appear immediately. First, this eastern custom penetrated into Byzantium, and from there the crusaders brought it to Western Europe. The monarchs liked this, and they began to adapt all the ceremonies to their needs, motivating the need for the servility of his vassals, the monarch, by divine origin.
      Without demanding excessive Eastern humiliation from their subjects, European monarchs were content with the kneeling of visitors who were awarded an audience. This method of servility is believed to have been born in Spain, then became a custom at the court of the Austrian emperor. Important persons traveling in carriages, having met the emperor's carriage, were forced to stop their carriages and, leaving them, had to express their obedience to the emperor in the form of bowing one knee. The ladies squatted.
      The Versailles court did not accept this "Spanish" custom. For the French, he gave a bad taste)))
      But etiquette took root in England. From the endless squats in front of the royal lady, the pantaloons of the ladies of the court were too often worn out on their knees - the matter stretched and torn.
      And this is what the French Marshal Vieilleville wrote in his memoirs, in 1547 invited on the occasion to dinner with King Edward VI:
      "At dinner the knights of the Order of the Garter served dishes. Approaching the table, they each time fell to their knees. The Lord Chamberlain took the dishes from them, who, kneeling down, offered them to the king. It seemed to us French very strange that the most prominent representatives the English aristocracy, including the famous military leaders, had to kneel down every now and then, while in France even the pages, entering rest, only kneel. "
      But still they bowed)))
      Imitation of the king in dress was a more elegant form of expression of servility. The amusing custom of imitation of the powerful of this world is shown in the Strugatskys' novel "It is difficult to be a god."
      Don Rumata, irritated by the unhygienic behavior of the aristocracy at the royal table, took out a handkerchief and wiped his lips and hands with it. And on the very next day, the aristocrats demonstrated that they had scarves of varying degrees of embroidery, laces and different sizes. Some gracefully dragged whole sheets behind them, and even the soldiers wiped their sweaty foreheads with pieces of cloth. wassat )))
      Hence - the "children's trousers" mentioned by you and lace on adult uncles.
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 18 December 2021 14: 11
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        imitation of the ruling person in clothing is one of the signs of servility in front of her, ostentatious loyalty.

        Yes, not always ostentatious. For example, in the same XVI - early XVII centuries, the corrugation collar was in fashion, and it reached the greatest size among the Spaniards and the Imperials. But the Protestants in the North of Europe wore turn-down collars, sometimes also very magnificent. And this, in addition to following fashion, indicated political preferences. That is, whether a fürst is on a ceremonial portrait in a corrugation, therefore, he is a supporter of the Habsburgs. If with a turn-down - a free-thinking fronder. And if it tries in vain to keep neutrality, then there is a corrugation, but it is narrow, narrow :)))
        1. depressant
          depressant 18 December 2021 15: 26
          +3
          For example, in the same XVI - early XVII centuries, the corrugation collar was in fashion, and it reached the greatest size among the Spaniards and the Imperials.

          Yes, I noticed long ago that in paintings dating back to the same century, some gentlemen have corrugated collars, while others have wide turn-down collars. I believed that this is due to belonging to a social stratum, and it looks like a religious opposition.
          In fact, the corrugation as a work of the tailors of the Renaissance is usually called "raf" among professional historians. And fashion historians call corrugation "millstone". Well, and, of course, how can it be without a legend! Allegedly, the corrugation, or raf, was invented by some Spanish noblewoman with an ugly neck. In fact, this very corrugation developed rather slowly from a small collar to a "millstone".
          The "millstone" that had grown to titanic proportions had to be powdered and starchy, otherwise it would no longer keep its shape. It was a complicated business, it required time and skills from the servants, as well as knowledge of secrets, and now the service industry went to meet fashionistas, whole workshops began to appear in cities, professionally engaged in bringing collars into the desired shape and keeping them in "working order".
          But why was this "millstone" needed?
          This is where the conspiracy begins:
          protection from fleas and lice, concealment of syphilis, or a dirty neck, or the smell of sweat - such ventilation.
          I don’t know about syphilis, but the nobility and the middle class washed in baths, of which there were many, washed together - men and women. Washing was considered prestigious, cleanliness is a hallmark of the wealthy and noble classes. There are many medieval miniatures on this topic. The very wealthy had their own bathrooms.
          And the collar is just fashion. In Spain, already in the 17th century, fashion was banned by Philip IV. And she disappeared instantly with no regret from anyone wassat )))
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2021 16: 43
            +2
            but the nobility and the middle class washed in the baths, of which there were many, washed together - men and women. Washing was considered prestigious, cleanliness is a hallmark of the wealthy and noble classes. There are many medieval miniatures on this topic. The very wealthy had their own bathrooms.
            Oh, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Your knowledge of medieval life is growing rapidly, bravo! I will note, however, that commoners also had access to the little joys of personal hygiene. In mid-XNUMXth century Paris, there were two dozen public baths, not counting private ones. There was a separate guild of bath attendants by masters in which there were also women (this is to the question of female lawlessness in the Middle Ages).
            1. depressant
              depressant 18 December 2021 16: 52
              +2
              Your knowledge of medieval life is growing rapidly, bravo! I will note, however, that commoners also had access to the little pleasures of personal hygiene.

              Anton, you won't believe it!
              A year or a year and a half ago, I was completely at the mercy of the stereotype about "unwashed Europe", and how many more I still have, these stereotypes about the West! I suspect a lot. But the West for me begins and ends on the pages of articles about it, it is far from me ...
              By the way, how are you breathing? Either the warehouse was burning, now the "Agile" ... And how it burned! The feeling arose that here, in the Moscow region, all the oxygen had disappeared, and the window was opening wide in the middle of the night.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2021 17: 00
                +2
                By the way, how are you breathing?
                Like nothing, thanks! On Tuesday I received a "kurocode" without which they are not allowed to enter museums today, today I went to the Hermitage, photographed another exhibition, next weekend I will probably also go to Durer.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 18 December 2021 17: 23
                  +2
                  next weekend I will probably also go to Durer.

                  Lord, how I envy you! It's one thing to look at reproductions in an old album, and it's another to see the paintings live. Especially if they are housed in the Hermitage. To paraphrase Hemingway, the Hermitage is a holiday that is always with you. I got better at wandering through Zen through articles of art. How many, it turns out, there were and are marvelous artists of the so-called second plan both in our country and in Europe! But Durer ...
                  Mysterious "Melancholy", "Self-portrait". What will be on display - prints or paintings?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 37
                    +2
                    Kurokod.Kurokod.That made us-chickens with their own ... codes. Descendants of the proud Slavs! Ugh! laughing laughing laughing
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 18 December 2021 17: 47
                      +2
                      Kurocode.Kurocode.

                      Seryozha, don't grumble. You've gone through it all, and now you can go wherever you want. And I still have to, apparently, first get registered at the clinic, and only then the injection. You'd better tell me, did you send me to a therapist first or not?
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 08
                        +2
                        What account?
                        I explain the specifics.
                        The factory announced a 60% vaccination, vaccinated, gave a "prospectus", "letter", "certificate". Then a notification came that I was vaccinated with "Joker Fife." Then I fell ill / like, well, I already wrote about this. phone, Lyudmila Yakovlevna / that's probably more familiar! laughing / .Will? Always ... to you! bully
                        Yes. Until he, "kurokoda", - did not use. A homebody, sir, however! laughing
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 18: 18
                        +2
                        A stay-at-home, however!

                        So, Homebody wassat )))
                        Thanks for the instruction! This is the first thing. And the second - these two of your letters, these are the ones in which you say that you are rushing to work and the last one ends with a shout "Damn, damn, damn!" ???
                        Well, so I covered the letter with two fingers. I guess the devil unhooked from you.
                        Or not? wassat )))
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 31
                        +2
                        Why, why two?
                      4. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 18: 37
                        +2
                        Why, why two?

                        From confusion in the presence of a horned one. The painting "Boyarynya Morozova" surfaced in front of my eyes as an instruction, so I ... Blundered, right? Does the cat hiss? If it does not hiss, then two fingers turned out to be sufficient, and three is already an overexpenditure of divine energy.
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 41
                        +3
                        Not my God. Doesn't hiss. Until the divine presence is proven, I dare not deny its absence. I don’t undertake.
                      6. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 19: 06
                        +1
                        Until the divine presence is proven, I dare not deny its absence.

                        Smiling pleasantly and flattered, I thought with some degree of embarrassment: "But it helped! ... So I can do something else!" wassat )))
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 30
                        0
                        You just forgot to inform that sociopath Lyudmila Yakovlevna will have to set up e-mail, online banking and register for "government services" ...
                      8. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 38
                        +1
                        Hello my friend!
                        Yes, in some ways our last relationship is very reminiscent of the Albanian-Soviet one, like, somewhere we are ... close.
                        E-mail? Required.
                        State services? This is important. Personally, I use "Moscow State Services" -conveniently.
                        Online banking? Chegoy did not understand. hi
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 44
                        +2
                        Hello, Sergey! hi
                        When registering for "state services", the required field to be filled in is the bank card number linked to online banking.
                      10. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 49
                        +2
                        This is not on the "Moscow State Services". What does not prevent me from being there. And? Him! Kukarekukoda.
                      11. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 19: 08
                        +1
                        Chegoy did not understand.

                        Seryozha, did you take Anton my like?!? ))))
                      12. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 18: 40
                        +3
                        and register for "government services" ...

                        Scare me, Anton, scare me!
                        Only I am not a sociopath and, where necessary, I am registered there.
                        And ... I'm not a sociopath !!! I proudly declare: I am a coward!
                      13. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 43
                        +3
                        A coward who is not afraid to declare this is worthy of all respect.
                        Ya bully
                      14. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 19: 19
                        +2
                        A coward who is not afraid to declare this is worthy of all respect.
                        Ya

                        In the quotation book mark?
                        Or are you kidding me? I must be ashamed and with a voice from heaven, as Andrei Borisovich rumbles down the branch below, rumble: "Go get drunk, you worthless!" wassat )))
                      15. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 46
                        +2
                        I am not afraid, I objectively describe all the conditions of the procedure.
                      16. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 52
                        +2
                        Ah, Anton! Vnik! But this column may be needed on condition of payment for "communal services"? On "Moscow ..." it is also there, but I?
                      17. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 57
                        +2
                        I pay through Sberonline
                        This is online banking
                      18. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 19: 26
                        +2
                        Well, friends, you can only be amazed at the advancement of your places of residence. I pay for the light through the bank, and for the water and so on - personally, to the cashier, through the window behind which a nice woman sits and accepts cash from me. The population so sentenced me too. For some reason, it seems to us that it is more convenient to communicate with our service company. Such are the things.
                      19. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 58
                        +1
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna !!!! A person with such knowledge, with such experience of life, with such ..... yes, damn me!
                        It is not convenient for you to communicate with the "service staff". For, it is convenient for her to "communicate" with you!
                        Well, ask, really, anyone on the site! Everyone will be happy to give you detailed instructions! What? Where? How? Why do you need an extra headache?
                      20. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 11
                        +1
                        What? Where? How? Why do you need an extra headache?

                        We all save water. And through the bank, this is how they will calculate the meter readings for the last year by the average and they will charge the average monthly - save water or not. And then it will turn out that people, on the one hand, will involuntarily begin to overspend water, and on the other, the bank may say next year: “Rates for water have risen, and we do not owe you what you owe for your savings, but you are us still have to. " They will tell and roll out an additional account, and even for service. We are faced with this when paying for electricity and overhaul through a bank. And try it, don't pay. And they check the meter only once a year. And it’s easier with water - I’ve saved it, and you’ll get a smaller bill for the current month in your mailbox. A person is like his own master: I want - I waste water, I want not to waste. For people with low income, this is very important.
                      21. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 13
                        +1
                        East das alles. So you have a water meter?
                      22. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 21
                        +1
                        So you have a water meter?

                        Exactly what is. And I keep an eye on the readings of the hot and cold water meters every day. Therefore, I have long ago switched to economical hand washing, from which my hands hurt.
                      23. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 18
                        +1
                        You yourself send the readings of everything, both water and electricity.
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Urgently, urgently to make out everything! First of all - "electronic" !!!!
                      24. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 44
                        +1
                        You yourself send the readings of everything, both water and electricity.

                        No, Seryozha. On the receipt of Sberbank there is a column for electricity consumption. I tried to fill it, the reaction is zero. They wanted to sneeze on my fill! They count on the average, every month the same account. After the new year, a person comes, checks the meter, and that's it. No one there will bother with calculating how much I overspend there this month or did not spend more. And let's leave this conversation about receipts, it bothers me on the topic of pants and corrugated collars wassat )))
                      25. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 06
                        +2
                        Let's do it, Lyudmila Yakovlevna / much more familiar and I like it more! (Cheshire grin) /!
                        Step number one.
                        Go to the clinic.
                        Step number two.
                        Boldly, in a commanding voice:
                        -I want !!!! I want to be vaccinated !!!
                        Farther?
                        They will tell you everything in detail.
                        In the meantime, the question is: Why do you need this? Are you going to a bar? A restaurant? bully I was obliged, that's my whole answer to you.
                      26. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 47
                        0
                        So far, the question is: Why do you need this? Are you going to a bar? A restaurant? bully I was obliged, that's my whole answer to you.

                        According to the adopted law, they will not be allowed to enter the shops and the police will climb out - they will be fined. Me, if I enter the store without a crow, and the owner of the store, if he lets me in like this. As in Kazan. And there is something - you want wassat )))
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 18 December 2021 17: 38
                    +1
                    Lord, how I envy you!
                    So I have adjusted (already a year ago), photographing temporary expositions, in order to rid the likes of you from this feeling. Well, judge for yourself, even after getting to St. Petersburg, a person from another city will follow the standard tourist route: Petropavlovka - Hermitage - Russian Museum (I can't stand it!) - Pushkin - Peterhof. And he is unlikely to pay attention to any "makeshift", if only accidentally hit. And I'm offended for the people!
                    As for Dürer, I still cannot answer your question, I myself ran a glimpse today, took pictures of something else ...
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 18 December 2021 17: 43
                      +1
                      As for Dürer, I still cannot answer your question, I myself ran a glimpse today, took pictures of something else

                      Could you film the exhibition? So that the effect of presence appears?
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 00
                        +2
                        There are three unpleasant moments, Lyudmila Yakovlevna.
                        1. The exhibition was placed not in the most favorable place, in the Nikolaevsky hall, this is the second room after the Jordan staircase, there are always crowds of people.
                        2. If I have more or less photos, then I have never made a video.
                        3. Where can I throw it off for you?
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 18: 12
                        +1
                        Where can I throw it off for you?

                        Not for me, Anton! On any topic by Vyacheslav Olegovich as a comment. I guess he won't mind.
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 22
                        +2
                        Please photographed this today:
                      4. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 18: 30
                        +2
                        Please photographed this today:

                        Woooot !!!
                        Placed the same!
                        But this is not a video, this is a photo. Make a video. So that people walk, talk, look at the pictures, and the pictures themselves. I saw such videos about Venice, Milan, small Swiss towns - God, what a miracle, what architecture, the neatness of the streets! Before that, I did not know that these places are like that. Photography does not convey the true appearance of the phenomenon. I don’t insist, but think about it, Anton.
                        Sardinia ... This means the island of megaliths. Dont know. On occasion, maybe you can throw off at least one photo?
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 18: 36
                        +3
                        For God's sake! For myself, I photograph something

                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 54
                        +2
                        Anton, great ... but? "It will not be enough .."! hi
                      7. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 19: 03
                        +2
                        Anton, great ... but? "It will not be enough .."!

                        Agree. However, maybe Anton wants to make an album and publish it? Or finally write an article?!? )))
                      8. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 06
                        +2
                        Or finally write an article?!? )))
                        Specifically for this exhibition, there was such an idea
                      9. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 29
                        +2
                        And ?????? When ????? Let me ask, eh? You say inspiration? This is a tricky little thing. Now we have it, but tomorrow it’s gone. But the production plan? You know, specifically!
                        And in the end, isn't it time to put the question-SHOULD! For, we ..., and -we wait, sir.
                      10. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 42
                        +2
                        It’s not about inspiration, but about information, I didn’t find a catalog of the exhibition, so I’ll have to draw from independent sources, and this time.
                        In addition, by mutual agreement, materials about exhibitions will be sold through Shpakovsky's account.
                      11. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 51
                        +2
                        Wright: I will quote almost literally our Moscow-born Petrograd Nikolai:
                        -Who promised me?
                        Was it? Yes!
                      12. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 54
                        +2
                        "The boy said - the boy did it! He didn't - he said it again!"
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 03
                        +2
                        Seryozha, I photograph all (!) Exhibits of exhibitions. Only for today's visit - about 150 pictures.
                        And another 20 pieces personally for Shpakovsky
                      14. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 19: 01
                        +2
                        For God's sake! For myself, I photograph something

                        An amazing figurine! Who would have thought that there was such a thing? They would say that it is a modern sculpture, and I would believe it. And she is pre-Roman!
                      15. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 10
                        +2
                        You can also modern

                      16. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 32
                        +2
                        Darts arrows - why?
                        Into the body of an antique figure?
                        But the "Last Supper"! This is not bad. In my opinion. And where can it take place today if not in front of the PC?
                      17. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 57
                        +2
                        The modern vision of the torment of St. Sebastian.
                      18. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 22
                        +2
                        Stop, stop, stop. The face is feminine. The chest is clearly felt / slightly covered /.
                        Genitals? Closed by a leaf / fig, presumably. / Muscular development - unisex.
                        Conclusion: Was there a killed / killed / male?
                        From the materials of the investigation file.
                      19. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 27
                        +2
                        Was there a man?
                        Seryozha, Sebastian was, in some way, a centurion, and in ancient Rome, women took up arms only in the gladiatorial arena. Do you doubt his gender?
                      20. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 35
                        +2
                        No, I doubt the figure depicted. Listen, Anton, well, call me either Sergei or Seryoga, eh? I asked Sergei about this, but ... a poet, however. I accept from women, from men. He is nervous.
                      21. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 47
                        +2
                        Do not mind it. "Every face is Seryozha!"
                        It's not my fault that my name has no diminutive forms. You can call it "Tohoy", I will not be offended, but "Antoshka" is not worth it. I was about six years old when I completely kicked this habit out of my parents.
                      22. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 57
                        +1
                        My friend! Well, with this, you will definitely not agree! laughing

                        You are with us, my friend -tank! Not even "Sherman", but- "Royal Tiger".
                      23. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 21: 05
                        +1
                        You are with us, my friend, a tank!
                        Well you remembered! And I have already forgotten this attack of Argentine tanks on the "small island in the Caribbean" ...
                      24. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 00
                        +2
                        You can also modern

                        Saint Sebastian? Darts don't fit very well. That is why I remember pictures, but I don’t know such sculptures. How to make an arrow from marble? Darts, then ...
                        This is me grumbling. My aesthetic senses suffered.
                      25. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 12
                        +2
                        My aesthetic senses suffered.
                        We will treat

                      26. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 17
                        +2
                        We will treat

                        Well, this is how the suffering of Seryozha's aesthetic feelings, as well as Kostya's, is treated. And for sure - Andrei Borisovich. But not mine.
                        For me like this: either alive or inanimate wassat )))
                      27. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 22
                        +2
                        Okay, tomorrow I’ll take child support for the dog, I’ll take a picture of it, it’s beautiful! tongue
                      28. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 32
                        +1
                        alimony for a dog, I will take a picture of it, it is beautiful!

                        A dog is always great! Just like the cat.
                        Stop! Alimony ... for a dog?!?
                        You are joking?
                      29. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 38
                        +2
                        No not kidding
                      30. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 37
                        +2
                        "she's beautiful".
                        My God! Whom did she remind me of? Olga Kabo !!!!
                      31. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 50
                        +2
                        My God! Whom did she remind me of? Olga Kabo !!!!

                        Oh, the connoisseur has appeared! As I predicted wassat ))))
                      32. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 59
                        +2
                        I was. I did not go. God be with you, madam.
                      33. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 21: 07
                        +1
                        I was. I am not ...

                        I meant: the connoisseur of the beautiful, of course, will not pass by ... the beautiful and will immediately check it out with his usual scrupulousness wassat )))
                      34. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 39
                        +2
                        Alimony? For a dog? Et like ?????
                        Do you already have ??????? Alimony for a dog in St. Petersburg?
                      35. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 52
                        +2
                        This is not in St. Petersburg, these are my personal cockroaches.
                      36. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 00
                        +2
                        Explain. If ... of course the topic is not subtle.
                      37. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 21: 12
                        +2
                        Everything is simple. I was the initiator of the appearance of a certain being, at a certain point in space-time, and now I consider myself responsible for the fate of this creature.
                      38. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 47
                        +2
                        I’ve already gone. Communication? No, well, it’s clear that your dog ran into ... or, on the contrary, yours ... pushed. Well, so what? By the way, who is this tailed friend?
                      39. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 21: 50
                        +2
                        Vile innuendo.
                        Female dog, labrador.
                      40. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 22: 03
                        +2
                        Well
                        What? And I have a cat - "Moscow-Russian-striped-spotted". What of this?
                      41. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 22: 12
                        +1
                        Nothing. You asked, I answered.
                      42. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 55
                        +1
                        Anton, explain simply, huh? Yes, I'm stupid today.
                      43. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 22: 13
                        +1
                        Not here and not now.
                      44. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 55
                        +1
                        Alimony for a dog?

                        Yes, it bothered me too. If people want a dog and take it, then let them feed it. Anton says this is not a joke. It means a uniform mockery of him. It is simply immoral on the part of the people who took the dog. You can not do it this way.
                      45. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 21: 14
                        +1
                        Everything is easier, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, the dog remained with my love
                      46. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 21: 17
                        +1
                        Honestly, it got through. Happy trip, Anton! hi
                      47. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 21: 19
                        +1
                        Thank you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                      48. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 56
                        +2
                        Well, I’m stupid! I don’t understand anything!
                      49. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 30
                        +2
                        By the way, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, how interesting is antique "glass" to you? I can shoot an exhibition especially for you.
                      50. depressant
                        depressant 18 December 2021 20: 35
                        0
                        antique "glass"

                        Anton, I love glass! Shoot!
                      51. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 38
                        +1
                        Well done.
                      52. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 38
                        +1
                        A ???? Undead ???? belay
                      53. Phil77
                        Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 47
                        +2
                        They killed him like that, with javelins, but I'm talking about the statue
          2. Fat
            Fat 20 December 2021 03: 53
            0
            To us, macro-seed OE. And now we know - a whole culture! Thank you.
        2. LisKat2
          LisKat2 18 December 2021 17: 29
          +2
          Interestingly, I have not even heard of this.
      2. LisKat2
        LisKat2 18 December 2021 17: 24
        +2
        I read by "an elegant form of expression of servility" that Louis 14 began to see worse with age and had glasses. All the courtiers immediately had glasses. One courtier, knowing that Louis was 14, liked to change different glasses. He probably did not go to the occulist.
        He "forgot" his glasses in a conspicuous place, and under them is a piece of paper, where he praised the king. Louis14 saw the glasses and let's read. I read it and said:
        - These are very strong glasses for me.
        And he "terribly" punished the nobleman: he was not allowed into the palace for a week!
    3. LisKat2
      LisKat2 18 December 2021 13: 49
      +1
      And the bows on the shoes. Like the wings of a big butterfly
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 11
        +2
        Bows on the shoes help to bounce. From ... great love! laughing
        1. depressant
          depressant 18 December 2021 17: 26
          +2
          Bows on the shoes help to bounce. From ... great love! laughing

          Seryozha, you have appeared! Glad to see you in a good mood)))
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 34
            +2
            I wrote to you. You are ... insidious! Didn't answer. What kind of good mood can we talk about? "I'll take the poison ... for sugrev." laughing
            1. depressant
              depressant 18 December 2021 17: 36
              +2
              I wrote to you. You are ... insidious! They did not answer.

              Are you seriously? I'll go check it out! crying )))
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 39
                +2
                It's too late! The poison is in me! It remains only to sing "Varyag" loudly, with expression, tearing off the vest. And write off all the property to the cat! He deserves it. laughing
                Maybe ours are 5-2 leading the Czechs. Lada, I'll think about it. bully
                1. depressant
                  depressant 18 December 2021 17: 51
                  +2
                  write off all the property to the cat! He deserves it.

                  Given your violent temperament, the cat deserves wassat )))
                  Do not rest on your laurels, ours are leading with an insufficient margin)))
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 December 2021 18: 56
                    +1
                    It turned out to be enough. Won. But! Who are the rivals? And in the form of the USSR national team?! Beautiful? Beautiful. Little? Oh, how little.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 18 December 2021 19: 31
                      +1
                      in the form of the USSR national team?! Beautiful? Beautiful. Little? Oh, how little. ...

                      From so! ...
                      The Czechs remembered the past and, as usual, lost. But how could it not happen that in the Soviet uniform we will lose to the Finns? Or did we lose to the Swedes?
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 48
                    +1
                    He's not violent. He's ... restless.
    4. astra wild2
      astra wild2 18 December 2021 15: 55
      +1
      "skirts came into fashion" Do you mean to say: the king wore a skirt?
  17. astra wild2
    astra wild2 18 December 2021 12: 13
    +1
    "to fight in linen panties is simply indecent" to sit in the company of ladies, without panties is decent, but it is not decent to fight
  18. Andobor
    Andobor 18 December 2021 12: 37
    +7
    Bre in Europe leggings and briefs have been worn for at least 5 thousand years,
    the ice man Ötzi, found in the 5300-year-old Alps, dressed this way.
  19. Normal ok
    Normal ok 18 December 2021 13: 00
    +6
    At first, comfort in combat formed style. then, as the functionality was lost, the style began to prevail. Although ... Gaston Gallife, thank you. You could put a lot in your pocket))
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 18 December 2021 17: 55
      +1
      Yes, the bottle of lemonade in these pants just fell through.
  20. LisKat2
    LisKat2 18 December 2021 13: 45
    +2
    I wish you all a good day. Vyacheslav Olegovich, today I have shared my clothes.
    As the rattle noted, the weather is disgusting. Now I ran to the supermarket, 2 blocks, brt damp. Now I warm myself and think: tomorrow I won't leave the apartment at all. And if there is something interesting on the site. - generally spring, for me personally.
    Actually, in all fairness, I'm a spoiled doll: last year there was snow, which is both good and bad, but ice is ... Early in the morning I ran to the tram and ran nothing, but now I don't like rain.
    For a long time in some kind of film, I heard such words: "a man is not a grateful beast", although valuable, but correct. We're spoiled for comfort
    1. astra wild2
      astra wild2 18 December 2021 16: 03
      +1
      Piggy, Vitalya left and can you flirt with men?
      And if I tell Vitalke, what are you "twirling with your voice"? Hee hee
      1. LisKat2
        LisKat2 18 December 2021 17: 33
        0
        A friend is called. Who is more of a pig, you or me?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 18 December 2021 17: 50
          +2
          So, his name is Vitaly!
          How much new we learn from your "girlish" correspondence. laughing
          1. astra wild2
            astra wild2 18 December 2021 18: 16
            0
            Quote: Phil77
            So, his name is Vitaly!
            How much new we learn from your "girlish" correspondence. laughing

            What to do: Women are talkative.
            Although there are no exceptions: in the 17th the "mute" works, she speaks very, very little. And in the summer I met a girl, she spoke on the phone for 50 minutes!
        2. astra wild2
          astra wild2 18 December 2021 18: 05
          -1
          Do you understand the joke?
  21. astra wild2
    astra wild2 18 December 2021 15: 51
    0
    Konrad von Bambelberg, apparently, wore a lot of money under masculine dignity. Vaughn
    What portrait he ordered and the armor also speaks of wealth
  22. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 18 December 2021 16: 02
    +3
    against the background of ancient medieval castles
    Which in itself is no less valuable. So, for example, everyone probably remembers the picture from the cover of the textbook on the history of the Middle Ages authored by Abigalova,
    but few people thought about what kind of fortification was depicted in the background of the miniature. And this is the Louvre castle, which has not survived to our time, a view of which opened from the other bank of the Seine.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 December 2021 17: 34
      +3
      this is the Louvre castle, which has not survived to our time, the view of which opened from the other bank of the Seine.

      Well, in the past eight hundred years, not much has survived. Is that the pyramids)))
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 18 December 2021 18: 31
        +2
        Solid. No weakness in the knees.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 19: 00
        +2
        Paris in this sense was very unlucky. At the time of Baron Haussmann, there was no UNESCO.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 08
          +1
          And ???? WHOA !!!!!
          1. depressant
            depressant 18 December 2021 19: 55
            +1
            Seryozha, do not remember the insignificant puppet of the powers that be, who put under control the puppet of the strong from the weak - Rospotrebnadzor.
  23. Fat
    Fat 18 December 2021 16: 46
    +3
    Look at the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you that Solomon, in all his glory, did not dress like every one of them ”(Matthew 6: 28-29). How should these words be understood?
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 December 2021 18: 08
      +2
      And so. They grow and represent unimaginable value, until someone came and mowed them for pet food. Or until a child ripped them off to bring home a bouquet. But on the way he got tired of them, he threw them into the dust, and a passing cart beat them up with its wheels, and the horse harnessed to that cart also trampled them. Separately growing beauty and complexity, which no king of the earth can reach, are fragile to the point of impossibility.
      1. Fat
        Fat 18 December 2021 18: 33
        +3
        The kings of people have no power over the plan of the Creator of fate)))))
        1. depressant
          depressant 18 December 2021 18: 56
          +2
          And I heard the voice of heaven, rumbling in the voice of Andrei Borisovich:

          The kings of people have no power over the plan of the Creative destiny

          Got a personal shout to rumble? wassat )))
          1. Fat
            Fat 18 December 2021 19: 17
            +2
            No, I whisper the cherished))))
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 11
              +2
              The whisper is loud. good
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 41
            +2
            For the creator of destinies, thought, became quiet and ... thought:
            "Hasn't it all gone far? Today is a day off. Going over me? Nobody? Driving for a beer? For a snatch?" Am I trembling? Or do I have the right? laughing
            Strange, but the word "tv.a.r." Was not missed! laughing
            1. Fat
              Fat 18 December 2021 21: 11
              +2
              Write not so briefly .... Mirvillos's creature sounds musical, but it means the same))))
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 28
                +2
                Got it! Ayep? Mirvillos for later, in the morning!
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 37
                +1
                Me, what? Chekhov? Anton Pavlovich?
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 18 December 2021 19: 11
      +2
      Probably about unnecessary care. As later in the parable of Martha and Mary.
      1. Fat
        Fat 18 December 2021 19: 22
        +4
        Yah! I was hoping to laugh, but here are the roots. Everything .... uzhuh))))
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 18 December 2021 19: 27
          +3
          And Sir John Falstaff is not only comical.
          1. Fat
            Fat 18 December 2021 19: 46
            +3
            ... Falstaff is a fat, good-natured, cowardly drunkard who spends time in the company of revelers (Bardolph, Nimes, Pistol) and lecherous girls ...
            It's not me, but about the girls - it's true, we've all been married three or four times four times. John F. Clever and skillful, and the mua is simpler than the fifth corner of the circle ...
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 09
              +3
              It seems to me that you are more difficult.
              However, who am I, what can I judge you?
              Into! Straight from the head - "fell"!
              Nobody wrote this? Then, I! The author!
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 18 December 2021 19: 45
          +3
          Andrei Borisovich, dear! I'm always glad to laugh! Above everyone. And above myself, always. Honestly!
          1. Fat
            Fat 18 December 2021 19: 52
            +4
            And a glass?
            - "Note! It was not I who suggested that" (C)
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 20: 05
              +3
              A-forever! With great pleasure from your company, dear Andrey Borisovich and ... from a glass!
              1. Fat
                Fat 18 December 2021 20: 18
                +3
                K-e! Mua? Am I the sweetest? Yes, such a vicious brute as I was twice expelled from hell for incompetence and alcoholism.
                Healthy liver, yeah)))) And I can play checkers!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 43
                  +2
                  Andrey Borisovich, I respect you.
                  Did we drink? No? But I'll write a story for you. Like Chekhov, yes! But. Give me the topic, dear. Give me the topic and I'll ... turn around!
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 18 December 2021 21: 04
      +2
      Simply. They grow. And they will grow. Then we will not be, but they will be. Always. At all times.
  24. LisKat2
    LisKat2 18 December 2021 17: 46
    0
    It was good with you, but I have to go
  25. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 18 December 2021 17: 52
    +2
    Am I not mistaken? Are short knee-length stockings called GOLF?
    1. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2021 20: 06
      +2
      Never! Stockings rolled up to the knee are so golf))))
      Fashion!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 December 2021 20: 37
        +3
        it's so golf))))
        Elvish!
        Any respectable hobbit, having met an elf with rolled up stockings, realizes that coffins in the villages of orcs will soon rise in price!
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 18 December 2021 21: 57
          +3
          Because you don't wear golf in Moria.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 December 2021 22: 11
            +3
            I doubt very much that the Professor has been to the mines of Cardiff.
            As for alternative fantasy (yes, there is one) ...
            "A good elf is a dead elf. And tasty" (C)
            A good orc is a dead orc. But small. Five dragons per porzayku - not enough! "(C)
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 22: 38
              +2
              Eh, Anton, ah yes ka to sleep. "Sleepy elf, he is also an elf ...." Sleep, my friend, until my Phil gives, he became anxious, tramp.
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 18 December 2021 22: 46
              +2
              “I have never been to the Bosphorus,
              Don't ask me about him ”(c).
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2021 23: 01
                +2
                "Mars! Oh Lord, Mars !!!" (WITH)
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 18 December 2021 23: 14
                  +2
                  "The sailor with whom so much quarreled
                  I don’t remember from which ship
                  He mixed everything up and shouted in fright:
                  "Earth! Look, brothers, earth!" (With).
            3. Fat
              Fat 18 December 2021 23: 00
              +2
              Anton, considering that the extreme book on the history of Middle-earth was published according to the "travel" Notes of Tolkien's son ... There are many inconsistencies. And what, forgive me,
              friend, are goblins different from orcs and urukhai? With the latter, it is more or less clear - hybrids. And the rest?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 December 2021 23: 14
                +2
                Andrey Borisych, I'm not talking about Tolkien, but about derivatives from his work. And if you analyze it well, it turns out that his followers are right: all these characters in pre-Christian epics are extremely unpleasant entities for people.
          2. Fat
            Fat 18 December 2021 22: 12
            +3
            Respectable people do not wander around Moriyam, they sit in a light forest and drink tea with raspberry jam. Eternity is knee-deep.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 18 December 2021 22: 50
              +2
              “- My officers, these are such music lovers!
              They are so, mmm, balletomanes.
              Having visited this modest abode, they will surely immediately quit drinking and dragging along with actresses.
              - Oh my God!
              - They will spend the whole week in prayer and drill
              And on Sundays they will drink tea
              With jam. From this
              - Currants? (With).
        2. Fat
          Fat 18 December 2021 22: 04
          +3
          Sergei, this is gloomy and cynical. Or it’s true, the fact that flowers replaces the orcs will jump in price immediately when golfing at the festival of the king of the Bard-archer)))) Anton correctly noticed.
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 18 December 2021 22: 14
          +2
          How much are they today? Invest capital?
          1. Fat
            Fat 18 December 2021 23: 12
            +2
            Pyramid, they - do not know how, only to puff out their cheeks ... Weapons are even from the dwarfs, except for hereditary ones ... And yet degenerates do not know how to use them normally.
            About kvapital ... Buy a swamp on the outskirts of the city, undoubtedly the great-grandchildren will hand over the plot with a profit, but we will not be able to estimate this))))
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 23: 23
              +1
              Astor? You mean him? Oh, you are not simple Borisych!
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 18 December 2021 23: 31
              +1
              Borisych, buy a swamp in the eighties? In the New York region? This is KNOWING and KNOWING !!!! We can? Me? You?
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 18 December 2021 22: 12
        +2
        Not erotic! With a garter? Oh-yes! So who knows better about women's underwear?
      3. Phil77
        Phil77 18 December 2021 22: 20
        +2
        What about PioErski? Was it?
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 December 2021 23: 29
          +1
          There have been a lot! Tell me, friend, how is dirty men's underwear different from dirty women's? Szolstvo - that is, if it is started, it smells bad, only that the cut is different ... Gonadogony, itit ..
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 18 December 2021 23: 40
            +1
            Yes, this is a question: Katherine and Vera. Will they answer? And then the question?
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 18 December 2021 23: 47
            +1
            Andrey! Borisovich! You understand, right? Ask me without the intelligentsia. What?
            1. Fat
              Fat 19 December 2021 00: 36
              +3
              I don’t know what to ask for sure. The pension was today, and tomorrow ... It will be December 19, 2021, I am 100 percent sure of this, even if without me.))))
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 19 December 2021 07: 20
                +2
                That's it, buddy! And I know more!
                "we-echo. We-echo.
                We are a long echo of each other .... "
                In the sense of lovers .... to relax.
                Until!