JFO Commander: It is very dangerous for Russian troops to launch an offensive against Ukraine "head-on"

The commander of the JFO, Oleksandr Pavlyuk, spoke about the losses that, as he put it, the "Russian-occupation" troops would suffer in the event of a "frontal" attack on Ukraine. In his words, they (losses) will be "huge" and the Kremlin is well aware of this.

A high-ranking Ukrainian military man made this statement during an interview with foreign media the day before.

However, according to Pavlyuk, the enemy has a more preferable option than an offensive "head-on", which consists in encircling the JFO troops. Thus, the forces in the Donbas will be cut off from the rest of Ukraine.

At the same time, the lieutenant general assured that this scenario is completely excluded, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine know about it and are taking measures to strengthen the relevant areas. Which ones, Pavlyuk did not specify.

It should be noted that according to the good old tradition, the officials of the “western neighbor” contradict themselves in their statements. Talking about the options for the upcoming offensive of the Russian troops, Pavlyuk noted that there were no signs of preparation for such on the part of the enemy. Will they attack or not? ..

Moreover, the commander of the JFO stressed that now Russia has concentrated only 40 battalions near the Ukrainian border, which is much less than it was pulled together in the spring. In his words, this is too little to defeat the "half a million Ukrainian army", which today has a serious experience of military operations.

Ukraine itself reacted with some bewilderment to Pavlyuk's statements, asking where Ukraine's half a million army came from.
What kind of "serious experience" we are talking about is not clear. Apparently the general remembered the "Illovaisky" and "Debaltsevsky" boilers.

In the end, Pavlyuk recalled that, among other things, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the Javelin ATGM system, “kindly” provided by the American allies. At the same time, he stressed that, if necessary, it weapon will be used immediately.

Comments

[rusich]

It's only svidomye with pans on their heads can go head-on. First, an artillery preparation, an air strike is carried out, and then an offensive. And even then not in the forehead, but from the flanks or the joint between the units. There is always weaker.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: rusich

First, an artillery preparation, an air strike is carried out, and then an offensive

Not really. reconnaissance first and only then blows and everything else

[Yaro Polk]

like, Russia does not see from satellites where they are clustered, where are the warehouses with fuel and lubricants and other ammunition.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Yaro Polk

like, Russia does not see from satellites

What are you posting to me now? can you read? I answered the sequence of actions ..... or do you have a different opinion?

[Looking for]

Well, in seven years, you could have learned the spelling of the word "post." ending with the country roads along which the supply of supplies is carried out. Not one. Even the greatest army. will not be able to fight without ammunition. shells and canned meat. And all this reconnaissance ... and so on is only later. in the process.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Seeker

. and now about my vision of the problem

and I didn’t ask you about YOUR vision! so come on stub country 404

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Pavlyuk scares and scares himself. Funny!

[210ox]

For him, reconnaissance is when through minefields, thorns, with a ten-kilogram radio behind his back ..

[rusich]

Agree. Without reconnaissance, no where. Even to the toilet

[den3080]

Quote: rusich

Agree. Without reconnaissance, no where. Even to the toilet

To the toilet - only after reconnaissance in force

[ankir13]

right! Without reconnaissance, no where. Even to the toilet! And in the toilet Dudaev ... Well, either a pastor, or an egg-bearer ... with a gutter ...

[private person]

First, an artillery preparation, an air strike is carried out, and then an offensive. And even then not in the forehead, but from the flanks or the joint between the units.

So then it is true. But why should Russia attack Ukraine? To supply free gas and pay debts for the poor? Let them amuse themselves with dreams, but if something happens in the event of theirs attack, I hope they will get a decent counterattack and will not save the pots.

[raw174]

Quote: private person

But why should Russia attack Ukraine?

This war is not needed not by Russia, not by Ukraine, but by the United States. Different voices of the West are constantly repeating about the support of Ukraine by NATO countries.
NATO is primarily the United States. America, as a NATO member, does not need Ukraine. Ukraine is needed so that it unleashes a war with Russia. For this, Ukraine is constantly being told about cooperation, about assistance and partnership, as well as being promised full membership in the alliance. At the same time, Ukraine is being pumped up with weapons and their army is being trained. This is evident because almost all weapons are given to Ukraine on their own loans, which will never be returned in money, they will return as dividends from the weakening of the Russian Federation. At the same time, the alliance is sending signals to Russia, recently, they say directly that in the event of a war, NATO will not directly fit in for Ukraine.
What is the USA for? To weaken Russia, because the war with Ukraine is no joke. In addition to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there will be "wild geese" of all stripes and instructors from NATO countries and the entire arsenal of technical means, including reconnaissance. Now in Ukraine, society is ready for war with Russia, because Russia is an ENEMY for them, I emphasize that the enemy is not for the government, but for the population. They'll pump up a little more weapons and start ... with an offensive on the LPNR. Russia will lose, whatever the outcome of the hot phase of the operation. I believe in our army and believe that our troops will crush the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not quickly, not without losses, but they will crush, however, Russia will become an aggressor even in the eyes of our allies, Russia will be excluded from all international clubs (the first to condemn the Russian Federation will be Kazakhstan, Armenia. ..). There will be huge economic losses associated with hostilities, with their consequences, plus the LDNR will fully sit on our budget ... After that, we most likely will not have the opportunity to exert any influence outside our borders, the war for the Middle East is so will be lost.
I hope that our rulers will have enough wisdom not to fight with Ukraine.

[Victorio]

Quote: raw174

I hope that our rulers will have enough wisdom not to fight with Ukraine.

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I will assume that at the highest level, NATO-RF exchanged information on options for possible actions in Ukraine

[raw174]

Quote: Victorio

I will assume that at the highest level, NATO-RF exchanged information on options for possible actions in Ukraine

This is chess in which it is important to outplay your opponent in cold blood. Each side has its own strategy, information is shared, but not plans. Who will outplay whom, I think we will see before the end of this decade ...

[private person]

Now in Ukraine, society is ready for war with Russia, because Russia is an ENEMY for them, I emphasize that the enemy is not for the government, but for the population.

That is precisely the enemy now for the population, because everything bad that happens in the Krai is presented to them as the intrigues of Russia.

[raw174]

Quote: private person

everything bad that happens in the Krai is presented to them as the intrigues of Russia.

Propaganda is a weapon of mass destruction.

[ankir13]

Conduct wise propaganda, here is a plus for you.

[mikstepanenko]

You are greatly mistaken. They are presented as intrigues of Russia - yes. Only after taming, almost no one looks, and therefore this propaganda goes into the void. There is satellite TV, there is YouTube (and there are bloggers in it) - these are the main sources of information. The authorities are doing so stupidly that they have squeezed people out of their information space. At the same time, there are 24 TV channels in really excellent quality. The quality of the picture, not the information. On the Internet, Russian sites (Yandex, classmates ...) are prohibited, people had to massively master VPN. So the change in the information space has turned into another zrada. People should not be considered idiots, they perfectly understand what the United States has done here and why.

[Looking for]

Quote: raw174

I hope that our rulers will have enough wisdom not to fight with Ukraine.

or maybe there will be enough wisdom to solve the Ukrainian problem radically.

[raw174]

Quote: Seeker

maybe enough wisdom to solve the Ukrainian problem radically.

And radically, how is it ?.

[gurzuf]

Is the solution to the Crimean issue, in your opinion, a radical one?

[raw174]

Quote: gurzuf

Is the solution to the Crimean issue, in your opinion, a radical one?

This is the optimal solution. But this will not work with other regions of Ukraine.

[gurzuf]

Can't a radical solution be optimal? And why is it not possible with other regions now? For example, with the same LDNR. In the 14th year, after all, they held referendums with + in relation to the Russian Federation.

[raw174]

Quote: gurzuf

For example, with the same LDNR.

And for what?
In this thread below, there is my discussion with vervolk (Vladimir), where I gave my position on the LPNR and the situation in general, here is my quote:

but about Donbas ... I do not think that Russia should send troops to Donbas, but I admit it when the situation in the LPNR develops critically. Weapons, our PMCs, "vacationers", all of this definitely needs to be supplied to Donbas. I think that we need LDNR as an autonomy.

[gurzuf]

What about -And can't a radical solution be optimal? After all, the optimal decision on Crimea was radical. They brought in troops and tied (literally) the APU.

[raw174]

Quote: gurzuf

What about -And can't a radical solution be optimal? After all, the optimal decision on Crimea was radical. They brought in troops and tied (literally) the APU.

I have a feeling of déjà vu ... I repeat:

This is the optimal solution. But this will not work with other regions of Ukraine.

And LDNR as part of the Russian Federation is not needed, they are needed as a buffer zone, as an autonomy.

[210ox]

Judging by the minuses, we have a lot of stupid ones to wave a saber. Not in my hand. The war will bring grief, first of all to both sides, and then economic mega problems for the "victorious" side.

[vervolk]

the war will reset the global system of checks and balances and update the Hamburg score. worthless when all sorts of limtrophs like the Balts and podlyakhs have the right to vote in Europe. Yes, England should sit on its island and be silent in a rag and not rattle with a weapon. It's time to remind everyone who is the boss in Europe.

[ankir13]

The war will allow many to die, Volodymyr, to reboot the world system, but without you, don't you consider the issue like that?

[vervolk]

at the peak of the situation, we are in paradise and they will simply die. (c). and in all other cases, they will back up and crawl on their knees and wagging their tail.

[raw174]

Quote: 210ox

we have a lot of stupid ones to wave a saber. Not in my hand.

That's just the point, all these slogans like: "1941 - 1945, we can repeat", are made on the wave of collective euphoria, from ignorance of the subject. We are not without reason proud of our army and the military-industrial complex, sometimes forgetting that a bad peace is better than a good war.

[vervolk]

Why did you decide that a world where the West uses sanctions as an instrument of unfair competition is better than a short reset of relations in the form of attacks on the most arrogant representatives of the European gayelite?

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

why did you decide that a world where the west uses sanctions as a tool of unfair competition is better

Because in this world, a bomb will not fall on the roof of my house, in which there is a wife and three children, I will not have to bury my friends in bags, etc. ... I want to live peacefully, work, hunt, on my land.
And why did you decide that it will be

Quote: vervolk

short relationship reboot in the form of blows

I think that in the event of a war with Ukraine, there will be a pretty serious mix. You say the APU will run? No, dear, the Ukrainians will fight for their land, their army will double by mobilization and triple at the expense of legionnaires, PMCs, etc. NATO, led by the United States, will supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine with everything necessary, including intelligence.

[vervolk]

so that the beans do not fall on your house, it is necessary to destroy the enemy infrastructure that they are trying to create in the sphere of Russia's interests in the adjacent buffer states. you dare either to your house or beans or our bombs to other people's bases and accumulations of equipment.
now about the APU. APUs are able to stand only in the locations of the dislocation in the conditions of a stationary line of defense. militarily, they represent practically no fighting force. no more than the Armenian army is suitable for modern warfare. the war will end before the conscription or mobilization campaign has time to begin. which will by the way be thwarted by the passive position of the khataskayrnikov who, for the eighth year, have allowed themselves to be mocked by the Bandera bastards. Ukraine has only one of its own land that is in Galicia. Donbass Kiev and Mariupol are Russian and Soviet lands that is why citizens with self-awareness, a Ukrainian will not fight for it, much less will not die. and Crimea confirmed it. PMCs and other legionnaires have a military relationship in the event of a high-intensity conflict with the use of videoconferencing, something near zero. they can look at the sky and swear (and for expressiveness in Russian), no more. Nato will immediately go back and do it. he will immediately ask for negotiations on any terms and crawl up wagging his tail to lick the shoes of the real master of Europe. this is where it all ends.

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

and Crimea confirmed it.

Crimea - nothing confirms, I have not seen a more Russian place than Crimea, it is more Russia than my native Ural.

Quote: vervolk

Nato will immediately go back and do it.

Again, NATO is the United States, not Europe.
In general, I see you have a lot of hats, it's enough to throw all of them ...
Regarding the experience gained by our Armed Forces in the SAR, of course, it is invaluable and puts a lot in place, but the same events in the SAR show that our air defense systems can practically do nothing to oppose Israeli aviation and the Israeli Air Force regularly bombarded objects in the SAR, around our means of missile defense and air defense. As far as we know, we could not really protect anything that attacked the F - 35.

[vervolk]

did you confuse anything? Ural is your other account with a Dnrov flag)))) but oh well. as they say, God is your judge and let Bandera burn in hell!
always ready to argue reasonably even with an ideological opponent. just not at the level of our army is stronger than ours. so. actions of the Israeli air force in the SAR. here you are, as always, let down by poor knowledge of the issue. Israel in the SAR strikes in the main on the positions of Hezbollah, and pro-Iranian Shiite formations. Which on the external contour-bloody against the United States and Turkey are an ally of Russia and the Syrian government, but on the inside? that's just the competition. but how can you get rid of a competitor of an ally? that's right ... we're just letting Israel hit the Iranians. do the dirty work with someone else's hands. and there are agreements thanks to which Israel is not trying to strike at our positions. and at the same time we are studying radio recognition signatures and other technical information on the action of F35. learn materiel dear zhovto-blakitny opponent.

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

did you confuse anything? Ural this is your other account with a Dnrov flag))))

No, I have one account. I live in the Urals.

Quote: vervolk

Israel in the SAR strikes in the main on the positions of Hezbollah, and pro-Iranian Shiite formations.

Yes, I know that it is not on the positions of the RF Armed Forces ... However, Israel also strikes at the objects of the ATS Armed Forces, which are protected by air defense systems of our production, albeit under the control of the ATS Armed Forces operators.
How many israeli planes shot down? in my opinion, not much ...

Quote: vervolk

and at the same time we study radio recognition signatures and other technical information on the action of F35

Ok if so, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure if our radar detects these tools ... Although not an expert in this field.

Quote: vervolk

respected zhovto-blakitny opponent.

But this is already an insult!

[vervolk]

Well then, let's clarify the position. Do you consider Crimea and Donbass as Russian land? do you think that Russia should protect and annex them to itself, including by force of arms? Are you ready to give up the territory for the sake of a peaceful life and the lifting of sanctions? moment of truth - tell me who you are ...

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

do you consider Crimea ... a Russian land?

Yes

Quote: vervolk

Do you think ... Donbass is a Russian land?

No, this is the zone of interests of the Russian Federation.

Quote: vervolk

do you think that Russia should protect and annex them to itself, including by force of arms?

Well, Crimea is already ours, but about Donbas ... I do not think that Russia should send troops to Donbas, but I admit it when the situation in the LPNR develops critically. Weapons, our PMCs, "vacationers", all of this definitely needs to be supplied to Donbas. I think that we need LDNR as an autonomy.

Quote: vervolk

Are you ready to give up the territory for the sake of a peaceful life and the lifting of sanctions?

No, of course, what are we talking about ... My principles are well described by the expression: "We do not want an inch of someone else's land, But we will not give up our own top."

[vervolk]

Okay, God be your judge and spring will show you who shit where) let's wait and see how it all ends ... but you want to not want to create a buffer around the entire perimeter. and the turn will come to moldavia and to central asia, etc.

[Denis812]

Despite the fact that I completely agree with you that shapkozidstvo will not bring you any good, I hasten to remind you that Israel has not struck any target in the Russian Federation. The fact that the Israelis are bombing, as you said "around our missile defense and air defense systems," is bombing high.
And let the Syrians learn to shoot them down.
Although, as for me, it is not necessary to shoot down missiles, but to strike at the delivery vehicles of these missiles and at the locations of these delivery vehicles.
Ultimately, the best air defense system is your own tanks at the enemy airfield.

[raw174]

Quote: Denis812

then high is bombed.

Yes, I don’t feel sorry for the objects that the Israelis are bombing, if these are not objects of the Russian Federation, I don’t understand why the Syrians DO NOT

Quote: Denis812

learn to shoot them down.

They also have our good weapons and instructors ...
If only on D-day, our calculations were able to detect and hit, well, for example the F - 35, which, suddenly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will buy on credit from the Americans ...

Quote: Denis812

to strike at the delivery vehicles of these missiles and at the locations of these delivery vehicles.

But somehow the natives cannot break through the Israeli dome ...

Quote: Denis812

Ultimately, the best air defense system is your own tanks at the enemy airfield.

The Arabs tried, it didn’t work, it’s scary to repeat, but of course, you’re right.

[Denis812]

Here we have already discussed why the SAR does not really want to shoot down Jewish planes, although there was a precedent recently.
In general, the answer is this: because it is not a fact that after that Moscow will not have to ask for a new air defense system to build in Syria for the SAR.
Shooting down a single plane is not a tricky business.
But to destroy those who fly in to take revenge - this is already a task that the Arabs cannot solve.
Russia can decide. But even then only because, together with the shooting down of the plane, the Iskander rush to the enemy's airfields, so that no one else comes from there.
The Syrians cannot do that, therefore they become hostages of their own passivity.

"Israeli Dome" - if you are talking about the "Iron Dome", you probably know that this is a system designed to destroy the NARs of Hezbollah. But only. Probably, it can hit aircraft or aircraft weapons with ballistics like the NARs, but nothing more. The Iron Dome does not belong to systems like our S-200-500, however, the Jews did not even have such a task when they were building it.

[raw174]

Quote: Denis812

You probably know that this is a system designed to destroy NARs.

Yes of course I know. But I'm not sure they won't shoot down the rocket.

Quote: Denis812

The Iron Dome does not belong to systems like ours "S-200-500"

Well, the Jews not only have a dome ...

[Denis812]

1. They and NARs do not shoot everyone far away, but I kind of wrote that if the ballistics is similar - why not - maybe they will.
2. You wrote about the Dome.

[raw174]

Quote: Denis812

2. You wrote about the Dome.

Well, of course, not to list the entire nomenclature, but I don’t know it, all of it ... In general, Israel’s air defense and missile defense system is also not done with a finger, like their other weapons. My main thought:

If only on D-day, our calculations were able to detect and hit, well, for example the F - 35, which, suddenly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will buy on credit from the Americans ...

And how the Arabs will fight the Jews is secondary for me, I cited the actions of Israel as an example of the effective use of aviation and the F - 35 in particular. Despite the fact that many here make fun of him, the horse works! This is, for today, the only real combat aircraft of the 5th generation.

[Denis812]

1. Got it
2. I think that our С400s are not just standing in the CAP, but they are working on detecting 35s somehow. In order to draw up instructions for the upcoming battles (God forbid, of course)

[raw174]

Quote: Denis812

I think that our C400s are not just standing in the CAP, but they are working on detecting the 35th at least somehow.

And I think so, if only it works, but is it so, only the General Staff knows ...

[vervolk]

Why do we need to make the Syrians independent? why teach them to use high-tech weapons? Let them forever depend on Russia and supply cannon fodder to protect our bases and airfields. and let them not flirt too much with Iran. otherwise the Jews will come and they will be bombed a little ...

[vervolk]

and yes, I'm sorry, but the slogans "1941-1945 can be repeated!" are made on a wave of collective euphoria, a multinational people confident that they can smite any foe, with full awareness of their technical and military superiority, with absolute knowledge that for Russia there is no enemy in this world! and this is a bad peace for the enemy, but we can, if anything, slap on the attack!

[Palmyra]

Do you think the Saxons will stop? They have no way out, they are dragging the whole world into their cooking. They will play the Ukrainian card all the same, with as much damage as possible for Russia. Once VVP said, if a fight is inevitable, hit first. Apparently there is still something to talk about ...

[vervolk]

I think so too. you just need to decide and be ready, and not go for it to keep the world at any cost. who chose between shame and war - shame, will receive a war in the kit

[vervolk]

in general, everything is not so. war is needed primarily by Ukraine itself, Poland and the Baltic states. England is also actively playing in this direction. In Sasha, only a part of the lobby, mainly related to the military-industrial complex. Poland needs to lift its opposition to gay laws, Ukraine has to resolve the issue of blocking SP2, the Baltic states have long dreamed of strengthening their role as a springboard for NATO. now about the APU. it will be a lightning-fast defeat with the help of VKS strikes. Yes, the Ukrainian army created something and tried to learn. since the age of 14. But the Russian Aerospace Forces, too, are just 14 years old, conducting practical training in Syria and gaining combat experience. there will be irresistible air strikes from different directions by such means that the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not even be able to repel them. and all in a couple of three days, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will turn into a gathering of refugees who change their food into civilian clothes and run home to the hut. the epic drape of the Georgians and the Armenian unwillingness to support the defeated army will repeat itself. As a result, Russia will not become an aggressor and an outcast, but a worthy ally of China and a player dictating conditions to the whole world. the West will treat it fluidly and will be ready to make any concessions for the sake of peace negotiations, since it is not at all ready to fight. I think at this time and China will finally resolve the issue with Taiwan. and everything will most likely start with the invasion of Belarus under the Tikhanovskaya’s replacement. this is the only legitimate clue and justification for provocation against Belarus that seem to the Poles and the Balts.

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

it will be a lightning-fast defeat with the help of VKS strikes.

I will not say the hackneyed phrase about a quick victory with little blood on foreign territory ... although no, I will.

Quote: vervolk

as a result, russia will not become an aggressor and an outcast, but a worthy ally of china

I don’t think that China considers Russia as an ally, we are competitors, China is in the hands of a strong weakening of Russia, since in this case they will take our technologies and production for a penny and diplomatic support, mainly from the military-industrial complex, because today we are producing really good weapons.

Quote: vervolk

and everything will most likely start with the invasion of Belarus under the Tikhanovskaya

Everything will start in Donbas, this is my opinion, but I am just a man in the street.

Quote: vervolk

In Sasha, only a part of the lobby, mainly related to the military-industrial complex.

The United States needs a war primarily because it will allow it to write off a huge foreign debt and improve its finances.

Quote: vervolk

war is needed primarily by Ukraine itself, Poland and the Baltic states

Nobody is interested in their opinion, it is a bargaining chip.
In general, I hope you personally will also take up arms, well, and a bigger hat, and forward to the front line! Or look from the couch?

[vervolk]

you have very little idea of ​​the position of both the official China and the trends in the public opinion of the Chinese. there is a bunch of translated articles read enlighten me too lazy you here to carry out an educational program. technologies and production in China are not worse. much better. from us they need a resource base and a willingness to extract and sell it. at this stage in history, we are ideal allies. Poland and dill are constantly playing their own games with the active support of small brits. in fact, it was Poland, with its vykopendrivaniya and aggressive policy, provoked and dragged the world into the Second World War, participating first in the attack on Czechoslovakia together with Hitler and then not allowing conscientious troops to help - when the fascist reptile could be strangled in the bud without letting her take advantage of the material and technical resources. Well, according to your last thesis. I myself am ready even in the capacity of a volunteer in my military accounting specialty, even by creating a PMC by the nature of my civil activity. but it's not about me personally. The overwhelming majority of people, just people with whom I communicate, are waiting for a war in the form of a reset and believe that this kind of war has long been needed as a renewal of both the external international situation and the internal one as well. so the influx of volunteers from the "Russian spring" will seem like flowers compared to the number of those wishing to take part in the great punishment of Europe!

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

technologies and production in China are not worse. much better.

Therefore, they bought Antonov ... No, China needs technical documentation from the outside, they are manufacturers, but not creators.

Quote: vervolk

in fact, it was Poland, with its vykopendrivaniya and aggressive policy, provoked and dragged the world into the Second World War

Eh, and I blamed the whole Hitler Germany ...

Quote: vervolk

I myself am ready even as a volunteer

LDNR is already waiting for heroes!

Quote: vervolk

the overwhelming majority of zankom, just people with whom I communicate, are waiting for the war

Not from a big mind or populism ... for a normal sane person does not want war.

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

and to deny that there were Nazis in Ukraine. that Bandera Nazi vyblyadok for example do not recognize after all? and that the whole OUN UPA is to blame, along with Hitler, in all Nazi crimes?

Did I say that? .. I served in Sevastopol (of course it was Ukraine then) and talked to the locals quite a few times. I know who the Ukrainian Natsiks are, I saw them. I had a good friend who served in the USSR Armed Forces in western Ukraine, he talked a lot about the atrocities of the gangs, the descendants of the UPA ... I don’t need to attribute to me what I didn’t say.

Quote: vervolk

I managed to take part in my wars and God will give me another one.

I have not fought and do not want to. I prefer the world.

Quote: vervolk

it’s time to put in place ukruz, logs, tribalts, small brits and other pro-European oriented mongrels

They forgot about the USA ... All the same, they are the first violin there.

[vervolk]

oh yes usa. so they are not there. there is just the United States and no. The usa dangle across the seas like flowers in an ice hole, presenting easy targets. I'll tell you a little secret. the United States received an Afghan slap in the face. now they swagger, puff out their cheeks and try to explain to the whole world that it was they who beat off all the palms of the barefoot mujahideen with their cheeks. someone believes someone doubts. Inside, fermentation and uncertainty are old. But will there be enough strength to resist China since they have done so in Afghanistan? and here, suddenly, in the Black Sea, some of their destroyers will be taken by the Russians and sunk. do you know what it will be? Russian slap in the face. and they will not do anything in return. but the blow to the stability and economy of the shats themselves will be crushing. and in the eyes of the world community and in the eyes of its own population. and they themselves guess about it. and are afraid. They are mortally afraid of provoking a Russian bear into real combat. Because then one reality will end: the expression of anxieties and the introduction of sankitsy and another will begin. will have to pay the debts that the whole world got into.

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

The usa dangle across the seas like flowers in an ice hole, presenting easy targets.

Who are the targets for? Is it for our fleet? I served in the navy for a long time, and even then in the MP, but even I know that our navy, like the army, is experiencing big problems in target designation, especially at sea.

Quote: vervolk

the United States received an Afghan slap in the face.

Time will tell, it is not yet clear who the Taliban are playing for. I do not exclude that they, as before, represent the interests of the United States in the region, which is also indicated by the fact that the United States did not arm them poorly, leaving weapons depots. Too little time has passed since the withdrawal of the American contingent to draw conclusions.

Quote: vervolk

and are afraid. They are mortally afraid of provoking a Russian bear into real combat.

In general, I realized that you are a brave fighter, almost a Russian version of John Rimbaud, I hope in deeds as cool as in words. Although there is a saying: "A dog that barks loudly does not bite."

[vervolk]

you really make me doubt your identity. where did you really sit all the time in which cellar? How could you not observe how the ships of the CASPIAN flotilla struck with calibers at targets in Syria? how do you like target designation and capabilities? besides, who spoke only of the fleet? Are you a type of military sailor? Can you imagine the possibilities of the DBK "Ball"? Well, about the rest, of course, time will tell. I want to remind you that all our communication here began after your one-sided defeatist posts in the style of ah the Alliance and NATO are so strong ah the war will be long and bloody. that is, a bias towards defeatism and whining. that's why I am forced to somehow illuminate the situation from the other side. for there is no need to undermine the fighting spirit and sob crocodile tears that everything has fallen!

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

How could you not observe how the ships of the CASPIAN flotilla struck with calibers at targets in Syria?

For stationary objects, the coordinates of which are known, this is not a ship. I think such an informed person like you knows what Hero of Russia Alexander Prokhorenko was doing in SAR. His feat confirms the fact that our means of guidance are very limited.

Quote: vervolk

Are you a type of military sailor?

I don’t think that a rush in the Marine Corps can give a complete picture of

Quote: vervolk

capabilities of DBK "Ball"

Are you hinting that the Bal ballistic missile complex can withstand the US ships? with its range? Well 260 km, frankly, is not enough ... Although it is enough for the Black Sea.

Quote: vervolk

The Alliance and NATO are so strong ah the war will be long and bloody.

What's the way to misinterpret other people's words? I said:

and I think that our troops will crush the APU, not quickly, not without losses, but will crush,

Then:

Russia will become an aggressor even in the eyes of our allies ... influence beyond its borders, the war for the Middle East will also be lost.

Quote: vervolk

It’s not here to undermine the fighting spirit and sob crocodile tears that everything has fallen!

I do not like shapkozakidatelstva, I think that you need to assess your strength soberly. Today Russia does not need a war on its borders. Our economy will not pull this war.

[vervolk]

again. our economy will feel much better without sanctions restrictions. at the moment, getting rid of sanctions and economic threats can ONLY be hard on those who try to use them as a tool of unfair competition. They are there with their own vouk ideology and green energy, a little out of touch with reality. we need to explain to them who owns the power and who needs to sit and not shine. The war will be extremely useful for the Russian economy.

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

our economy will feel much better without sanctions restrictions.

Certainly.

Quote: vervolk

at the moment, getting rid of sanctions and economic threats can ONLY be hard on those who try to use them as a tool of unfair competition.

A funny statement, considering that we are talking about a war between Russia and Ukraine ... Or have you already decided to strike at the Brooklyn Bridge?

Quote: vervolk

They are there with their own vouk ideology and green energy, a little out of touch with reality.

And we don’t sew panties for ourselves, we buy them in China (by panties, I also mean a huge range of goods).

Quote: vervolk

The war will be extremely useful for the Russian economy.

Yes, as useful as an ice shower for a pneumonia patient.
And about our guidance and target designation, maybe you remember, four or five years ago, there was an embarrassment when it turned out by chance that our pilots of the Aerospace Forces were using Garmin navigators and an American GPS during a parade over Red Square ... Kiev, of course, will bring it, but I would like to see Russian navigation developments completed ...

[vervolk]

Is it really you or the Ukrainian Troll or so dense that you have not heard about Navitel? what kind of harmine what dzhipies when we have glonass ????

[raw174]

Quote: vervolk

have you heard about Navitel?

Of course I heard that he is still guided by GPS ... GLONASS does not work stably everywhere, but this is logical, the satellite constellation of Americans, I think more ...

Quote: vervolk

what harmine what jeepies when we have glonass?

Yes, I was wrong, not over Red Square, but at the parade in St. Petersburg, in 2017, our pilot used Garmin.
Yes, I am not saying that if the United States disconnects us from its navigation, then you will all get lost, but the speech on this topic came from target designation, and we have it carried out by such heroes as the aforementioned A. Prokhorenko, that is, legs - legs .. ...

[vervolk]

they have 32 satellites, we have 24. they launched our newer ones earlier. recently tested a rocket to shoot down satellites so the Americans had a slight hysteria. although no, probably heavy. who will turn off whom and what in the event of a global (or local) conflict, the question is open. rather, both sides will be cut off to each other. we have not only the military, even militia UAZs and Yandex taxis on glonass in the main. do you know why? surprise, it's more accurate.

[Denis812]

>> For the Russian economy, the war will be extremely useful.
I completely agree with this. 1946-1955 was an era of unprecedented economic growth. They grew by 10 percent a year. especially construction.
Do you know why? Because the entire European part of the country was erased to zero!
Do you want that? Again 30 million to lose. So that 60 years after the war, half of the children would play "Russians against the Nazis"? So that children, like me, climb military dugouts and pick strawberries in the trenches?

What is the use of war, what are you talking about ??? Or are you one of those who are "in foreign territory, with little blood"? There will be no such thing. Bombs will fall on our homes.
If the enemy attacks - yes, you have to fight to the end, but create a war yourself - why?

[vervolk]

take it easy, there won't be any bombs. Europe has a small intestine. You are not a Europian now. her migrants offend where to butt with a Russian bear. and merica will be occupied by taiwan and china. so the moment is favorable. Moreover, even if NATO wanted to, they technically cannot do anything to us. and they will never be resolved on a global nuclear conflict. that's all. we will stuff a full ass of cucumbers to khokhols and podlyaks and this is all over. the rest will accept the world on our terms and for the next 50 years they will not even mention sanctions.!

[vervolk]

Quote: Denis812

>>
If the enemy attacks - yes, you have to fight to the end, but create a war yourself - why?

you know, the last thing is to sit and wait for the enemy to attack you then and so, when and how it will be convenient for him and he will be ready! Let us sit there, afraid to drown for the world, and they will surround us with military bases, they will create limitrophes around us by color revolutions throughout the border reimbursement around us, and then they will let international terrorists into the regions? in your opinion, and in the 40s it was necessary to occupy eastern Poland and move the border? and Finland to allow the Mannerheim line to keep 30 kilometers from Leningrad? You were there about the dugouts overgrown with strawberries let out a tear, but it did not occur to you that it would have been better for Stalin on June 21 to strike a preventive blow on the accumulations of German-fascist troops and OUR avia crushed them at field airfields? maybe then the course of the war would have gone differently (with all the general unpreparedness of the red army) but at least there would not have been those huge technical and human losses from the shock of the first surprise strike? they also taught "do not fall for provocations!" "open fire only in return", etc. no dear. if you are really worried about the fate of Russia, then the war should be started then and there, when it is convenient and profitable for the people, and when we are ready for it and the enemy is not. A unique geopolitical situation has now emerged. We are actively supported by China. The forces of the main player in NATO-USA are shackled in the Taiwan confrontation. gas energy crisis in Europe. it cannot afford to stop gas supplies from Russia at this moment. we have a local breakthrough in technologies for hypersonic weapons and air defense. in a year or two, the situation may change and not be so favorable. it is necessary to seize the moment and use the military, political and technological superiority of Russia. it does not happen so often with us. a good payback will be for the British fittings in that Crimean war, if now their destroyer is sunk by an irresistible and invulnerable hypersonic missile from a distance inaccessible to them! let's count for the ancestors!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: vervolk

getting rid of sanctions and economic threats can ONLY be hard on those who try to use them as a tool of unfair competition

How is it "to kick in the teeth"? Trading partners? Pipes lead to them, they are going to trade in hydrogen, real estate, children and families are in the NATO countries for the "decision makers" and are they "tough"? What are you talking about?

Quote: vervolk

The war will be extremely useful for the Russian economy.

What is it like? When bombs (rockets) fall on our heads, the remaining few factories will self-replicate? Will the seeds of domestic breeding cereals magically appear? Will you finally breed your own broilers and pigs? Or are you saying that "our" moneybags and officials will earn the next billions? How can anyone in their right mind write about war like that? Did the TV suggest this idea to you, or did you come up with it yourself?

[vervolk]

I explain for the dull, point by point. here we will take the reciprocal steps. or a counterattack by the forces of the videoconferencing forces on the so conveniently gathered in one pile = the grouping of the Armed Forces who stood up after their movement to the Donbas or the sinking of a British destroyer that wandered into our territorial waters in the Black Sea. that's all. the maximum who can try to do something is the Poles and the Balts. and we will bomb them too. we will shoot down those planes that will rise to nightmare Belarus and Kaliningrad and we will destroy those ground forces who try to violate the border of these regions. that's all. the rest of NATO will be liquid and will begin to call for peace and a solution to the issue through negotiations. especially if at the same moment the Chinese return Taiwan to their home harbor. and Russia will negotiate from a position of strength. neither france nor germanium nor pipelines will suffer. Europe will simply come to its senses and will negotiate, not firing threats of sanctions, but from the position of the side that lost without firing a single shot. Europe has always succumbed to power. tolerant liberal gay people don't want to die on the eastern front at all. will sit down like cute at the negotiating table and sign some kind of Vienna agreement on the delimitation of zones of influence. and in writing, they will renounce their claims to the Russian zone of influence: Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Central Asia, Norway (what's the whole Scandinavia) Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, Armenia., Tsar, Mali, Western Sahara, Algeria, Ethiopia, Syria, Arctic ... maybe a completely different economic life will begin right away

[alekseykabanets]

To begin with, you will learn to put semicolons, your stream of consciousness is completely incomprehensible without them.

Quote: vervolk

or the sinking of a British destroyer that wandered into our territorial waters in the Black Sea. that's all. the maximum who can try to do something is the Poles and the Balts. and we will bomb them too. shoot down those planes that will rise to nightmare ...

And if they are us? Or "what about us?" Do you even understand what war is? Compare our resources with those of NATO countries and think where it will lead. Or do you propose "bang, that would be the whole world to dust"?

Quote: vervolk

NATO will liquidly dispose of and will begin to call for peace and a solution to the issue through negotiations

And if they don’t do it?

Quote: vervolk

and Russia will negotiate from a position of strength.

Well, first of all, the names of countries are always written with a capital letter. Secondly, do you want to say that a country with less than 2% of global GDP can dictate something to someone?

Quote: vervolk

but from the position of the side that lost without firing a shot. Europe has always succumbed to power. tolerant liberal gay people don't want to die on the eastern front at all. will sit down like cute at the negotiating table and sign some kind of Vienna agreement on the delimitation of zones of influence. and in writing, they will renounce their claims to the Russian zone of influence: Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Central Asia, Norway (what's the whole Scandinavia) Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, Armenia., Tsar, Mali, Western Sahara, Algeria, Ethiopia, Syria, Arctic ... maybe a completely different economic life will begin right away

No, I, of course, have an extremely negative attitude to the Kremlin "strategists", but nevertheless it is very good that they do not share your thoughts. Watch Charlie Chaplin's film "The Great Dictator", maybe this will help you. Though.......

[vervolk]

I know very well what war is and not by hearsay. you know, your arguments about GDP and the economy are slyness and manipulation. let's say there is a military budget. the Pentagon for example for this budget buys a lot of things. amunitsu, outfit, equipment. for example, toilet paper is bought for $ 9 for 12 rolls. by simple manipulations we multiply 9 by 73 and get 657 rubles. at the cost of the embankment-Chelny roll of 24 rubles, we get 27 rolls ... you know what I am? they have more tanks and planes and uniforms and higher wages and insurance, and that's all. that is, we will spend their entire budget on all kinds of tryachomundia. for a thousand military bases around the world for dozens of aircraft carriers who in modern warfare are just large mass graves, etc. so it is bad manners to measure the budget at least after 39, when France with its GDP and industrial production lost to Germany with a weaker economy. well, in general. if if if, yes, there will be no "if" NATO does not rock the boat, and if it rockets, there will be a question of European statehood (c), but in general Europe has no darling. and without a darling, neither GDP nor the economy can go!

[stankow]

It seems possible to tackle Donbas under Taiwan's decision. And vice versa. So who will start? And is China ready? Or is it his readiness to be expected?

[vervolk]

Yes you are right. and time is working in favor of the Russian-Chinese alliance. the saturation of troops with modern weapons is growing, the western economy is weakening under the blows of covid and the energy crisis. and NATO was on a twine. too confused in the Black Sea region-will untie the hands of China will concentrate too much in the South China Sea-Russia will get freedom of action. unique historical and political situation. fork before check in time trouble)

[Palmyra]

"Now in Ukraine society is ready for war with Russia, because Russia is an ENEMY for them, I emphasize that the enemy is not for the government, but for the population."
You are wrong, 73% of the population who voted against Poroshenko voted primarily against the war. The fact that the population was thrown is another topic. As there were 10% of the stoned, it remains. Well, those who don't care about it, too, have enough.

[Old tanker]

or the junction between divisions. There is always weaker

At the joints, fire bags are often organized. From both flanks and along the front, the attackers were drawn in.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Old Tankman

At the joints, fire bags are often organized. From both flanks and along the front, the advancing

But what joints are there ... The APU "huddled" half of the army in the Donbass, in a relatively narrow strip in front of the LPNR. If the offensive of the Russian army is inevitable, then the strikes will be cutting off, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be pressed against the line of defense of the LPR. Aerospace Forces and other means of destruction will "knock out" all the ammunition and fuel depots in the grouping zone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so that there was nothing to snap back, crush the air defense and the remnants of aviation. Well, I don't see any chances for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to at least snap back seriously ...

[Old tanker]

Exactly. Over the rear ukrov in the Donbass, just 20 army and hangs. And behind her in the second echelon was the first tank.

[vervolk]

they have already driven themselves into a strategic bag. favorable conditions for resolving the issue of volunteers and armed forces quickly and outside settlements

[stankow]

The Ukrainian Armed Forces of the defense line of Kiev should be built, and not be pushed in front of Donbas. Zlis are seriously preparing to "reflect" aggression. Not observed yet.

[Volkof]

You have fallen behind forever, too .. Within a few hours, enemy air defense and aircraft are destroyed throughout the state! Then aviation and UAVs destroy all military units and military facilities and the enemy army ceases to exist by the end of the day ... And then columns of tanks with the support of aviation go to the borders and ports, nuclear power plants and localize the territory until order is restored ... This is a tough military scenario ... There is also a soft one, at the request of a quickly organized group of the elite, to save the people of Ukraine from death and poverty ... The troops will be greeted with flowers ... Difficulty in 1% of frostbitten Jews ...

[kamarada]

This one, 1, 2 or even 5 percent must be multiplied by 0. Because they were brutal in the Second World War. And now, if they could have cut us all, With children and women. And we all understand humanism.

[Denis812]

You probably replayed at Call of Duty and Battlefield and watched too many American films.
Ah ... no, there was already such a character ...

[Volkof]

You tell the Iraqis who, in fact, did not even see who defeated them ...

[Denis812]

Yes.
As well as 4500 killed American soldiers did not see who killed them.
And hundreds of American henchmen soldiers did not see who killed them either.
By the way, here are the direct participants in those events. :)

But, I do not argue that the Americans quickly rolled Iraq. Well done, a shining example of a good military operation.

[Volkof]

According to the official data of the military command of the anti-Iraqi coalition forces, published in the open press immediately after the end of the military operation in Iraq, the losses of the coalition forces amounted to 156 killed (125 US servicemen and 31 British servicemen); 5 planes and 8 helicopters were lost, 5 more helicopters were damaged. In addition, at least two unmanned aerial vehicles were lost (one US Predator and one UK Phoenix) [

The invasion of Iraq by the United States and its allies (2003)

As well as 4500 killed American soldiers did not see who killed them.

You also need to be able to lie!

[Denis812]

You are ... something.

[Volkof]

These are the losses of the occupying troops from 2003 to 2009 in the war against a hostile enslaved people, and this is not the topic ...

[Denis812]

These are the losses of the Americans in Iraq.
The question is closed.

[Volkof]

Was there really a question? You were told about the tactics of modern warfare, and you whine arm in arm, rushing from one extreme to another ... For questions to arise, there must be a position, an opinion of the interlocutor, and the latter is not observed!

[Rusticolus]

First, an artillery preparation, an air strike is carried out, and then an offensive. And even then not in the forehead, but from the flanks or the joint between the units.

They did not please, not at all for this. If you go head-on, then it is corny to get yourself into the shit left by the draping pans. One way or another, but you still have to bypass.

[sailor roman]

Only "id..ty" can think and speak like that. Or so today they teach in the academies of NATO and Ukraine. Combat operations, in our time, begin with an intensive treatment of the population of states that are opponents of the media, the destruction of economic ties, reconnaissance and sabotage actions, followed by the destruction of communication systems, the destruction of command posts and control systems of the Armed Forces and the country, airfields, the largest energy and industrial enterprises , political and economic management systems, etc. Then there will be the destruction of areas of concentration of enemy forces and assets in the rear and front-line zones. And only then the aerospace and large airborne and naval forces will enter into action. And no one is planning to attack the enemy head-on. These are, of course, only my thoughts and far from everything I have said, but basically, I expect the direction of the attacking enemy's actions.

[Brturin]

Quote: rusich

from the flanks or the joint between units.

from the flanks - this is somewhere closer to the border with the Kharkov region ... Then they already drew so many arrows - 3-4-5 directions ... now in the forehead ... it will simply cease to be paid attention, especially since internal problems are accumulating ...

[Mikhail Zhikharev]

Yes, it will not be in the forehead, but ALONG the forehead, that is, from above, and in this direction they are empty, like in a saucepan.

[knn54]

I will repeat myself. As ME Saltykov-Shchedrin said, "The authorities must keep the people in constant amazement."

[askort154]

Gorilka e, and the snacks are dumb - that's the tongue and grinds that hit. Smooth, so that about the war with Russia. To talk about something else, it is not suitable for the general today.

[Yaro Polk]

The most important thing is to destroy you, the undead Banderites, which they did not do in the 50s ......... to our great regret ..

[kamarada]

And in volume 14, the matter was not completed. And now there is no decisiveness. All just some hints and concerns. Those authorities and elites that now in Russia cannot solve this crap. So they shift it onto the shoulders of their people. And the fact that everything Russian has already been corroded and tortured in Banderstan does not bother them. As for me, these people in the Kremlin are traitors. It is with their connivance that all this mess is happening.

[Cron]

Quote: Kamarada

And in volume 14, the matter was not completed. And now there is no decisiveness. All just some hints and concerns.

And what did we have to finish in the 14th?

[kamarada]

Are you sitting in the Kremlin?

[Cron]

Are you sitting in the Kremlin?

No, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation. This is not enough?

[vervolk]

where there is enough Russian, you cannot etch it out. and there is no particular desire to impose Russia on the Khataskrains. there, after all, it will become clear that taxes must also be paid for the knitting of sojayui and many other unpleasant surprises. even in the Crimea, not without roughness passed. and with these undecided, voter for Zelensky, they have to be polished for a very long time before being accepted into Russia. there donbass what a baptism of fire and blood passes!

[Victor Leningradets]

Rather, their last.
But the thought is correct!

[Pavel episkop]

Apparently he was a little beguiled! The losses will be on their own - the people will hit from the back. Talking house alone with the aim of at least somehow justifying their incompetence and desire to blame the war

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Paul episkop

from the back the people will hit

sure?

[Carat]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Paul episkop

from the back the people will hit

sure?

I'm not sure. As soon as the Russian army enters the territory of Ukraine, the Ukrainian servicemen disguised as "civilian" will rush to Poland. That's what I'm sure of.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

to the west as much as you like, the main thing is that Russia does not creep

[Fox_Fox]

from the back the people will hit

You have a bad idea of ​​the brainwashing of the Ukrainian people. My cousin lives in Kiev. A few months ago (during a Skype conversation) he told me that in the event of an attack by Russia, he would be the first to sign up as a volunteer and fight until the last Russian soldier. My jaw dropped, and the conversation ended there.

[Vlad69]

I also have two cousins ​​in Kiev. The fact that they were brainwashed is understandable. But to what extent, I don't know. For a long time and substantively did not communicate, fortunately. But they are unlikely to enter the trenches. Although who will ask them if that. And yes, they themselves are Russians.

[vervolk]

Do you think that the Ramians were less brainwashed about the great and invincible Artsakh? but as the army began to smash so everyone to their homes and to angry rallies "help Russia"

[raw174]

Quote: Fox_Fox

My cousin lives in Kiev. A few months ago (during a conversation on Skype), he told me that in the event of an attack by Russia, he would be the first to volunteer and fight until the last Russian soldier

I personally have no one there, but my acquaintances have relatives, also from near Kiev, with whom I communicated very closely, went to visit, after the Crimean events they called, called them insulting words, they no longer communicate ...

[Palmyra]

It means that he is included in that very 10% minority, he doesn’t speak about anything else.

[Denis812]

What did you expect to hear from him?
The topic was "Attack of Russia" - as you indicated in the text.
In the event of an attack by Russia, of course, a normal citizen of another country must stand up to defend his homeland. Not to defend Zelensky or Poroshenko, but to defend the Motherland.
The question is not what will happen if the Russian Federation attacks, but what will happen if Ukraine attacks the LPNR and receives a full-scale counterattack of the Russian Federation in response.
So you ask your brother what he will do in THIS case.

[Vadim Zhivov]

It seems that as a child, this general was dropped head down every day three times ...

[boris epstein]

No, it's hereditary.

[VORON538]

Someone, remind this Pavlyuk that Russia has not been to the war for more than seven years, and the ukrovoy have seven or more boilers during this time Does this pavlYUK think that the Russian army will go into battle in accordance with the rules of warfare during the First World War, or even the Battle of the Ice?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Many times I came across the thesis here that, they say, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now much stronger than in 2015.
I would like to know in more detail what is stronger.
Combat experience okay. Although they are veterans, they are still veterans.
And how much equipment has been transferred to the troops since then? Airplanes there, helicopters, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, etc. and what modifications?

[URAL72]

Well, actually, they did something with scanty funding and total theft. The equipment is undergoing major overhaul and modernization - tanks, for example, receive a new control system and sights. This increases their capabilities to the level of our modernized T-72s, which are not in the Donbas. They buy and receive from the states modern means of communication, surveillance, reconnaissance, including radar for counter-battery warfare. We put into operation a lot of armored vehicles, artillery, etc. rotting in the reserve. The troops are undergoing quite normal training, especially in comparison with the period before 2014. They created, trained and tested many deviation and sniper groups in our Donbas. The enemy should not be underestimated.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I’m not saying that they don’t do anything at all, but in such an insignificant amount that, if we talk about strengthening something, then only their fighting spirit, since the materiel has not changed much.
I will not argue about the preparation, as well as about sabotage and sniper groups. But is it possible to win a war, not even a modern one, even a defensive one, not to mention an invasive one, by sabotage and sniper groups, and at least the OOS in full force, which they are so proud of, no matter how prepared they are?
There are few heavy equipment, even less aviation, nothing is clear about ammunition.
How did they become stronger? Communications, surveillance, reconnaissance and javelins?

[vervolk]

so I will remind you again. Exactly from the same 14 years, the Aerospace Forces have been gaining combat experience in Syria. and practice will show who has learned what better and who is better equipped with what. I advise you to review the chronicle of the eighth year war in Georgia.

[URAL72]

You would not advise me - I myself am an active participant in the chronicle of the war in Donbass. I know how we are suffering losses. And the demography in Russia is tight - every person counts.

[vervolk]

which side are you a participant? who suffers losses in donbass? what is this muddy talk?

[URAL72]

Open at least one eye and take a look at the avatar.

[vervolk]

Yes, not the first glance, it’s on clothes and I thought so. but your theses. Are we incurring losses and we are bad with demographics? I asked who are we? Russia? so Russia is not officially a poet in the Donbass. and with demography everything is not as sad as Europe or Germany, for example, or the same dill. so...

[URAL72]

Lately, there are a lot of Russian passports in Donbass - I have it too.

[vervolk]

a lot of passports = better demographics in Russia. you contradict yourself don't you think? and they did not explain about the losses. Russia does not bear any losses from the Armed Forces.

[Denis812]

>> Russia does not bear any losses from the Armed Forces
Do you believe yourself? I come from near St. Petersburg, I have two graves of 2015 in the village of Gostitsa. I knew the guys from childhood.
So don't lie to yourself. Although Russia does not officially participate in the conflict, it still suffers losses.

[vervolk]

oh two guys graves. Did the guys volunteer themselves? the homeland did not send them there? but tell me how many graves you have in your cemetery of 90-year-old children in the period from 2000 to XNUMX? a hundred? two? How many young people died when Russia lost its zones of influence and became dependent on the IMF? But tell me how many graves you have for two Chchen capania, when Russia became the arena of international terrorism? read out the numbers for objectivity!

[jetfors_84]

Horses with their javelins will race to the western border, if only the offensive of the "occupation forces" happens. And they will be happy to sell them on the market, they are all ready to sell nothing sacred

[rocket757]

JFO Commander: It is very dangerous for Russian troops to launch an offensive against Ukraine "head-on"

... First what for?
Secondly, why go if you just need to "enlighten"?
After real, concrete admonition, that there will be a worker, in general?

[DominickS]

Another auto-training for lop-eared degenerates. How many such statements have they already made? For example, I lost count. They open their mouths and at the same time check if it's time to change the diaper.

[Nexcom]

"The sect of Svidomo Javelin and Bayraktar" ....
They shake them with or without reason. As if these glands themselves know how to fight without human participation and will provide the Euro-Sumerians with a hell of a victory.

They are arranging trainings for civilians from the LPNR ... It has long been a long time for Svidomites to break off their little hands. And to look for language so as not to scratch them whatever they hit.

[rotmistr60]

Of course, if something happens, the Russian troops will go on foot without aviation, artillery, etc., without fail head-on and through your minefields. A whole commander, but thinks like a person who has absolutely no military education. At first they frighten themselves with the invasion, then, being frightened, they begin to calm themselves down with "Russian stupidity", one agreed to cowardice ... Having calmed down a bit, they begin to scare themselves to hiccups again. Well, what to take from them - seriously ill.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

The commander of the JFO, Oleksandr Pavlyuk, spoke about the losses that, as he put it, the "Russian-occupation" troops would suffer in the event of a "frontal" attack on Ukraine. In his words, they (losses) will be "huge" and the Kremlin is well aware of this.

He also has to add: "I think so!".

[YOUR]

JFO Commander: It is very dangerous for Russian troops to launch an offensive against Ukraine "head-on"

What does he suggest to go through Poland?

[Sergey3]

A good idea

[YOUR]

Not mine, the commander of the JFO

[Alexey-74]

These strategists have forgotten the "Boilers" (Debaltsevo, etc.) and without colliding with the RF Armed Forces, although the LDNR Armed Forces were controlled by our military? If God forbid, the war still takes place, I don't think that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will last long, like the entire state of Ukraine ...

[Rusticolus]

But I'm wondering. And if you fucking immediately on the rear of the Armed Forces. Where do the pans from the front line go? Should I give up right away?

[kamarada]

On the rear, bases and on the rada. Or wherever they have a den of Russophobes.

[beeper]

In order to sit in their "bread places" in the "Maidan administration", all "Maidan-Fuhrer" have to play according to the "Fashington scenario" - constantly "fight with Russia", puffing out their cheeks, puffing up their eyes ("benki") and making belligerent "loud statements" ... otherwise the transatlantic puppeteers will immediately remove the "poorly trying" from the "helm of the authorities" and replace them with the next "striped doll"!
And these "fighters against Russia" are not afraid to belligerently "declare" they DO NOT bear any responsibility and for their life-health-property they are NOT at all afraid - nothing threatens them!

[dzvero]

has serious experience in military operations ...

... and will not climb into the boilers, but will run away in advance

there is an ATGM Javelin

and nothing that the Javelins paid for by Ukraine are in American warehouses in Poland?

[Curious Katya]

What is "OOS"?
Separate occupational forces?
Fucking stupid svidomites?

Or is it just "OOS - this is such a big carnage FLY, you panic"?

[tihonmarine]

"Uncle" Woof, woof I'm coming! "- silence." Uncle, I'm shouting loud Woof, woof! "- silence.
"Uncle, I'm going to bite!" - the answer "Well, you have already got it, do you want to be in the teeth?"

[Fisherman]

First, on the Debaltsevo-Ilovaisk bruise on the forehead, and then on what remains of the scattered deserters.

[Andrey VOV]

Lord, how many more Pavlyuk and others like him in epaulettes are worn by the Ukrainian land and that they do not open their mouths, so non-erudite toads fly out.

[Palmyra]

Do you think he expresses his thoughts? He has such a job ...

[Baloo]

JFO Commander: It is very dangerous for Russian troops to launch an offensive against Ukraine "head-on"

Lady from the balcony of the 5th floor: Mushshchiiiinaaaa! I am afraid of you!!!
-So you are on the 5th floor, and I am downstairs ... And now I'm going down ...

[Vladimir Byrd]

For each UAV of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the defenders of the Russian majority in Ukraine, the DPR and LPR, must lift a hundred shock UAVs into the air and level the alien Bandera troops to zero. According to rumors, there are such UAVs, is it time to apply?

[Abdula Volny]

What a forehead ....... an epidemic after all! We will do everything remotely!

[Vladimir Byrd]

The Banderaites and their NATO patrons should know that any national language is a means of communication, but there is also the concept of a “language barrier” - a defensive reaction of nature to preserve the genetic diversity of the Earth's gene pool to ensure the longest possible existence of this biological species. The banning of language is the removal of the natural protective barrier, which is equivalent to a declaration of war! The prohibition of the Russian language (the overwhelming majority of Ukraine (95% of the population speaks Russian)) is the announcement of the second phase of the war to all Russians. The first phase - the seizure of the territory (coup in 2014) - everything is like in 1941!

[NAIL77DM]

for Ukrainians Javelin is a wunderwaffle

[konstantin68]

And this person wears shoulder straps, and even holds some kind of position. Carry such a thing! Have you seen enough movies about Chapaev?

[Vdi73]

First, you will have a general from Quatal 95, they will destroy air defense, warehouses, fuels and lubricants storage facilities, infrastructure, airfields, command posts, communications, power plants, railway junctions, and only after that, if you do not escape by that time from the chaos that has arisen and the loss of centralized command and supply , will hit from those directions where you do not expect, having previously mixed everything there with clay and sand.

[stankow]

It's important not to overdo it. After all, the same infrastructure will be needed by a new, friendly, allied Ukraine.

[Looking for]

Quote: rusich

First, art training is carried out,

Apparently, you are not far from Ukrainian tacticians.

[Vadim237]

It is with this that they begin - because all positions, in particular, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass at a glance, respectively, during an art attack, MLRS and OTRK will be used, and then cruise missiles to completely suppress the exhausted air defense.

[Oksana V.]

They froze in the middle of the last century. In three days they will have no communication, no communications or ammunition depots, and not a single Russian soldier will cross the border. Only one question is why. Russia has already regained what it needs and we need to feed several million.

[Skipper]

The Russian army will not advance like in a movie about the Great Patriotic War. It will be enough to turn on the electronic warfare systems that will immerse the Territory without signs of a state in the Middle Ages, where all electronics, both military and civil, will turn into pieces of useless crap. Then make high-precision strikes with calibers at important targets, including power plants. Then when the Middle Ages comes there and darkness, the local natives will scatter themselves and there will be no war.

[Tochilka]

Power stations are not allowed! There, in addition to dry-shny and natsbat nits, civilians also live on the territory.
Yes, even in our General Staff, even without the local advisers, they know where and how to fire. To achieve the appropriate effect.

[Denis812]

The civilians have chosen a government that leads to a war with the Russian Federation.
There is such a thing called collective responsibility.
If anything, then I have half a family in Ukraine (Exactly, Ovruch)

[vervolk]

Russian legislation does not apply the principle of collective responsibility and condemns such approaches if anything. The locals have chosen the authorities, this is their problem. the authorities sent troops to the donbass. the troops will be destroyed. and the locals themselves will overthrow the power. maybe with little support from a small number of polite people without insignia, true patriots of Ukraine.

[Denis812]

Yes, of course, but I'm not talking about the fact that someone applies something to someone collectively.
I am saying that since this people have chosen such a power for themselves, they must be ready to be responsible for their decisions.
Like Germany in 1945.

[vervolk]

all that is happening in their country now is punishment. but Russia does not punish the civilian population with bombing. England did this by destroying Dresden and America by dropping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. they themselves should be tried for such actions.

[Denis812]

I'm not talking about the fact that the Russian Federation will just bomb cities out of nothing to do :)
Of course not.
I'm talking about the fact that in the event of a war, the civilian population will die a lot.
It is inevitable.
And when choosing such a power, citizens should understand what will come to them.
Zelya will sit on her own plane and dump her to Europa or the USA.
But people will die.

[vervolk]

may die. but how many civilians died in the Crimea? zero. and there the task was more difficult. all were in the settlements. and now they crawled out into a clear field and huddled together in one mass.

[Denis812]

Because Crimea was essentially a special operation.
Moreover, against the troops that were morally not ready to shoot at Russian soldiers.
Now the matter is completely different.

[vervolk]

who can the unfortunate Ukrainian soldiers and the damned Dorobatovtsi shoot at when, due to low winter snow clouds, gliding bombs fall on them ?. so inexpensive but so effective according to the experience of Syria? into the sky where there are no planes? into each other? the commanders who dragged them there to certain death? in modern warfare, in addition to readiness, we also need opportunity. and with the modern technical superiority of the Russian army, the APU has only one way out, to drop everything, dress up in civilian clothes and hang up the Clown in Kiev. along the way, spreading the infection of panic and the bacillus of defeatism.

[Denis812]

I am not inclined to exaggerate the morale of the Ukrainian army, but it is also impossible to believe that it will scatter immediately after the start of the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
The Armenians were beaten, beaten, beaten in Karabakh recently, but they did not run away. Despite all the cartoons on TV.
There in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are the same men as in our army and will stand. Perhaps to death.
But the "dobrobats" yes, they will scatter. For the motivation is "For Bandera" and not "For the Motherland."

[vervolk]

cool you argue. here is a military unit in an open field. do you understand what she eats, drinks water, is heated with wood every day in winter? what will they do with the disassembled scalds and the scattered logistical services? who cares about morale if there is nothing to eat? They went to the Ukrainian Armed Forces to receive wages and to feed the families. especially quick-witted drapanut along with the National Battalions, especially stupid ones will sit in positions abandoned by the command and rear services without supplies and support, waiting for them to be taken prisoner to eat. Well, yes, but I don’t see any point in further chanting, if events happen there and we’ll see which of us was right and understands better in this world

[Denis812]

>> who cares about morale if there is nothing to eat?
You read about the Blockade. Or watch Soviet films about the war. Believe it or not, people had nothing to eat, but nevertheless they had morale.
If the refrigerator is the main object of worship for you, then I can assure you that this is not the case for everyone. And certainly not for everyone during the war period.

[vervolk]

class, you are now comparing vsushnikov with Soviet people? seriously those who do not want to hear about this blockade and refuse from Soviet heroes and those who demolish monuments to conscientious heroes? who chose as his heroes Bandera opportunists who licked the boots of the SS? this number will not work for you! Vsushniki in Donbas are not made of the right dough and the wrong leaven. They are a lousy trident on cockades, carrying a symbol of Mazepa the traitor! The ninety-fifth quarter brought them up on the wrong ideals. where chu snatch a freebie and sell kudab so that pennies for money! that's their principle.
and that in Khokhlostan Soviet films are allowed to be shown? and who brought them up so that they have the psychology of a Soviet person? no, you play something and perverted. I don’t believe your competitors as I didn’t believe in the fighting skills of the Armenian army

[Voltsky]

JFO Commander: It is very dangerous for Russian troops to launch an offensive against Ukraine "head-on"

do you need it ?! Well, as for me, I need to explain sensibly that if something happens, you will rush towards the ground for the testicles suspended ... should calm dull heads.

[Borisych]

All Ukrainian tanks will have to be cut into scrap metal; the Russian army does not need T-64 tanks.

[Skipper]

Quote: Tochilka

Power stations are not allowed! There, in addition to dry-shny and natsbat nits, civilians also live on the territory.
Yes, even in our General Staff, even without the local advisers, they know where and how to fire. To achieve the appropriate effect.

They consider Russia an enemy. They dream of attacking and blowing these noodles into everyone's ears - they suddenly believe. There are screams about what the hordes of the east are constantly holding back. Therefore, I considered the toughest hypothetical scenario in which Russia would seriously intend to attack that territory (this is not a state). Therefore, the snot will not chew on the safety of the power plants. Either you destroy the power plant or there will be more casualties among the soldiers.

[vervolk]

really talking nonsense. no one will destroy a peaceful nfrasturkture as you do not push here. high-precision strikes against military targets yes. and your nonsense is never enough

[riwas]

The commander of the JFO, Oleksandr Pavlyuk, spoke about the losses that, as he put it, the "Russian-occupation" troops would suffer in the event of a "frontal" attack on Ukraine.

There may not be a land operation at all. First, missiles to destroy air defenses, airfields, command posts, etc. And then the aviation bombers Ukraine into the Stone Age.

[vervolk]

no stone age. strikes only on venous objects!

[stankow]

The closest example is Serbia, 1999.

[vervolk]

you do not equal us with the NATO kami. they are accustomed to bombing civil cities and dropping nuclear bombs on cities. we have different traditions and tasks from the military-political leadership. point surgery and not a blow between the eyes with a club. What do you think we are bombing power plants and bridges in Syria? no, we have learned to fight differently ...

[Denis812]

You are strange, Vladimir.
For example, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is located in Kiev on Petroflotsky Prospekt. Are you suggesting not to bomb it in case of war?
Or do you think that Caliber or Iskander will hit so hard that the building will simply collapse and not a single brick will fly away? What kind of beautiful controlled disruption? :)
Of course, if something happens, they will beat the cities and beat them with a reserve.
Civilians killed will be anyway.
And the power plants will be destroyed and bridges if necessary and so on.
Because these are infrastructure facilities. If the infrastructure helps the Armed Forces, then it must be destroyed.

[vervolk]

Denis you are strange. if a military object is located in a city and when it is destroyed civilians may suffer, then yes, the Russian Aerospace Forces will not bomb it! the problem can be solved differently! that you are fixated on iskanders and calibers? Don't you know at all how issues are resolved in such conditions? and so yes, Russian Aerospace Forces do not destroy power plants and bridges and cities either in Syria or in Chechnya. I don’t see why this tradition and attitude could be violated. civilian casualties will be minimized. even to the detriment of the effectiveness of the bombing.

[zenion]

When it becomes unbearable, Ukraine itself will say which roads should be taken so that they would quickly surrender. Just don't forget the boilers with porridge and other heating. Russian General Winter is just beginning.

[musorg]

Pavlyuk is not a military man, but nailed to them. That is why it carries such heresy!

[gurzuf]

Quote: raw174

And for what?

How for what? And the expression of the will of the people, which, by the way, with the passports of the Russian Federation. This is not to mention the strategic acquisition of territories. And, yes, as an example for imitation of the entire Ukrainian southeast, which is still inhabited by Russian-speaking people. And there, up to Transnistria, is the land border.

[dub0vitsky]

Naturally, only these nipples go head-on, falling into the Ilovaisk and other pits. There is something to handle not only the cutting edge, but also communications. The suppression of resistance must be terrible and overwhelming. Ukrofascists must have an idea of ​​how the offensive of the miners differs from the offensive of the professionals. And let them choose one of the two. Die from Iskander or Buratino.

[zenion]

The French - the Germans will not pass through the mountains and the forest! The Germans have passed!

[DO]

In case of receiving the corresponding order, the General Staff of the Russian Federation will take into account the kind advice of Pavlyuk :)))

[Reserve buildbat]

An offensive "head-on" in this case is extremely dangerous, since Russian soldiers will constantly slip on the feces of the fleeing skakuas. And this is traumatism
Although you have to be a gimmick to assume "frontal attacks".