Israeli intelligence chief: We will do everything to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, neither now nor in the future

The Israeli edition of the Times of Israel published an article which speaks of "a determined attitude to oppose the Iranian nuclear program." There are statements by the head of the Mossad service, David Barnea, who called the "nuclear" deal with Tehran a "bad option."

The publication quotes the following words of the head of the Israeli foreign intelligence service:

We will do our best to ensure that Iran never has a nuclear weapon... We thoroughly test the reliability of military scenarios in this regard. They will not have nuclear weapons now or in the future.

David Barnea notes that Tehran's desire to acquire a nuclear bomb is already clear, "since there is no civil need to enrich uranium to 60 percent." This statement was made by the head of the Mossad during a ceremony dedicated to an outstanding Israeli intelligence agent.

Barnea:

There is no need for thousands of active centrifuges if there is no intention to develop nuclear weapons.

According to the head of the Mossad, if the deal of the world powers with Iran still regains force, it will become "an unacceptable option for the State of Israel." The head of the Mossad called it "an existential problem."

David Barnea:

I still hope that this treaty with Iran will never be concluded. Iran seeks hegemony in the region, it sponsors terrorism, which we fight day after day and which threatens stability in the Middle East.

Earlier, there was information that Israel could prepare a military operation against Iran with the use of the Air Force. For this, options were tested in exercises using large-sized outboard fuel tanks - to fly to Iranian airspace and return. At the same time, Israel began to have friction with Washington, in which the Israeli authorities are dissuaded from taking radical measures, noting that so far they have only aggravated the crisis.

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[Olgovich]

We will do everything so that Iran never gets nuclear weapons. We thoroughly test the reliability of military scenarios in this regard. They will not have nuclear weapons now or in the future.

Who has endowed them with the functions of the doers of the affairs of the world?

[Orsis338]

And who endowed Iran

[Dym71]

Quote: Orsis338

And who endowed Iran

And you already have everything

[YOUR]

Is Iran bombing someone?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: YOUR

Is Iran bombing someone?

They are smart, they are through a proxy)).

[YOUR]

Addressless

[alystan]

And you are not like that, you do everything yourself!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: alystan

And you are not like that, you do everything yourself!

What are you? Unknown aircraft, unknown hackers, unknown saboteurs ...

[Carat]

They are hoping for the Americans. Himself in any way.

[Grandfather]

Israeli intelligence chief: We will do everything to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, neither now nor in the future
Today, 08: 43

war...?

[Carat]

It is possible, but unlikely. Iran is not Syria. Here the answer may not be weak, while others support.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Carat

It is possible, but unlikely. Iran is not Syria. Here the answer may not be weak, while others support.

Has it ever stopped the Israelis? ))

[aszzz888]

Krasnodar
Today, 09: 41
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Quote: Carat
It is possible, but unlikely. Iran is not Syria. Here the answer may not be weak, while others support.

Has it ever stopped the Israelis? ))

For the time being ...

[Dart]

Good luck to the Dartanians to cut their own pumpkin ...

[alystan]

You should never say never!
And there is also the clever expression "We all die sometime!"

[Krasnodar]

Quote: alystan

You should never say never!
And there is also the clever expression "We all die sometime!"

And no matter how long the rope twists and turns, but capitalism is rotting and decaying, the dollar is still crumbling and collapsing, communism is still being built, but it is being built, as the Chinese billionaires say.

[YOUR]

They got such an enemy, peace-loving. The Arabs do not want to fight, and if they want, they do not know how. The entourage is about 200 million people, against 9 million.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: YOUR

They got such an enemy, peace-loving. The Arabs do not want to fight, and if they want, they do not know how. The entourage is about 200 million people, against 9 million.

Are these Arabs peace-loving? ))
1948.49 - Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and fetter a newborn Israel
1962-70 - War in Yemen with the participation of Egypt.
—63-64 - Algerian-Moroccan War, Egypt supported Algeria
1967 Egypt introduces troops into Sinai, expels the UN contingent from the Egyptian-Israeli border. After the Israeli strike on Egypt, Syria and Jordan begin shelling Israeli territory from artillery and Strelkovka
1969-70 - Egypt begins shelling Israeli positions in the Sinai and sabotage / airstrikes inside the peninsula
1970 Palestinians in Jordan try to overthrow the monarch. Syria later joins the conflict (on the side of the Palestinians)
1973 - armies of Egypt, Syria, Morocco, Iraq, Jordanian tank brigade (joined later) with Libyan pilots (Egypt) attack Israel
1977 - Libyan - Egyptian War, started by Gaddafi
1980 - 88 - Iraq attacks Iran, war brings 200 million
1990 - two years of rest and back into battle - Iraq occupies Kuwait
You read about modern wars in Syria, Sudan and Yemen
These are the peaceful people

[YOUR]

Exactly. Peaceful and unable to fight. They are still locked in feudalism.
How Jews took away entire tank battalions without firing a single shot. We waited for the time of prayer. While they are all sitting on rugs with Allah, they are talking, collecting weapons, sitting and waiting until they finish, then they build and take prisoners, and they themselves on Egyptian tanks and follow. How many armored vehicles did he capture in this way?
And how we went to war. The battalion commander in a limousine with him a whole train must be a cook, a waiter, ... and this is just a battalion commander.
Another example is the operator of the S-75 air defense system, took the Israeli Phantom to the AU, and right there on his knees to bring praise to Allah. The plane leaves, blowing a couple of launchers along the way.
And how long before the start of all these wars and before the formation of the state of Israel, the Jews killed, drove these valiant fellahs from the land. And they left like rams.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: YOUR

And how long before the start of all these wars and before the formation of the state of Israel, the Jews killed, drove these valiant fellahs from the land. And they left like rams.

we are witnessing another legend. the famous legend about the Jews during the Second World War "went to the gas chambers without resisting like rams" is used as a basis. Only now the Arabs have replaced the Jews, and the Israelis have replaced the Nazis. Soon there will probably be legends about how the Arabs crucified Christ.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Soon there will probably be legends about how the Arabs crucified Christ.

That's right, that at the time of Christ there was no smell of Arabs))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: YOUR

Exactly. Peaceful and unable to fight. They are still locked in feudalism.

Well, I wrote to you how many wars these "peaceful" ones unleashed))

Quote: YOUR

How Jews took away entire tank battalions without firing a shot

Because they were scared - in the absence of air cover / effective air defense, the tank turns into a coffin for four. But when there was such a cover, they fought like tigers, though not always successfully.

Quote: YOUR

Waited for prayer time

During the war, you are not obliged to do namaz))
In addition, the Arabs also enjoyed Jewish holidays - the beginning of the Yom Kippur War, for example

Quote: YOUR

While they are all sitting on rugs with Allah, they are talking, collecting weapons, sitting and waiting until they finish, then they build and take prisoners, and they themselves on Egyptian tanks and follow. How many armored vehicles did he capture in this way?

Who told you such a tale? )) Soviet habirs? One special former also told me how he saw a Jewish girl in Sinai in 1966 and the commander made her shoot her, because she spotted them. And how he dreamed about her later ... Och was surprised when I told him that in 1966 there were no little Jews on Sinai)))

Quote: YOUR

And how we went to war. The battalion commander in a limousine with him a whole train must be a cook, a waiter, ... and this is just a battalion commander.

And the casino in the trailer. And the tank pulled the pool.

Quote: YOUR

Another example is the operator of the S-75 air defense system, took the Israeli Phantom to the AU, and right there on his knees to bring praise to Allah. The plane leaves, blowing a couple of launchers along the way.

And the sniper took aim at the Jew. And immediately praise the L-rd to exalt. And at this time a Jew came to him, took him prisoner, played cards with him for nothing and took it again)).

Quote: YOUR

And how long before the start of all these wars and before the formation of the state of Israel, the Jews killed, drove these valiant fellahs from the land.

Long before these wars, the Arabs sold them Jewish land, and at an exorbitant price. Then they decided to squeeze it back - after all, a cheto was built there. But, in the end, they squeezed them out, it happened from 1947 to 1949.

Quote: YOUR

And they left like rams.

Most often they left - the Jews put them on trucks and paid the Arab driver for the Transportation. And they left on their own, fearing the war, which they themselves began.

[YOUR]

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, I wrote to you how many wars these "peaceful" ones unleashed))

Do not confuse the government and the citizens of the country.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: YOUR

Do not confuse the government and the citizens of the country.

Are the government foreigners? ))
Arabs, when everything is going well and smells like unpunished massacre, very daring and fighting people. Have you ever seen footage of how they cut each other's heads? Do you know how the Persians were bombarded with chemistry? But how is it that their own people are bombed in the neighborhoods with unguided bombs? Didn't you read how the Tel Aviv ventral bus station was shot from the air by the Messerschmites on the very first day of the war? Found peaceful and delicate))

[YOUR]

Government is a government with its own ambitions, desires

[Krasnodar]

It cut the prisoners' heads, it also fired chemical projectiles, it also chose the congregation of women and old people at bus stops for firing from Messerschmitt's cannons - all of it, the government.

[YOUR]

People mixed up in a bunch of horses ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: YOUR

People mixed up in a bunch of horses ...

What horses are people? The Arabs fight very fiercely and it is quite easy to undermine them to war. In their mentality, there are only two truly masculine occupations - war and trade. The rest is the lot of the Bulls and Zadrots.
Qualifications - the Jordanians are fighting very decently, the Jews took them only by a numerical advantage, while incurring serious losses.
The Syrians are formidable fighters, they are simply not very technically savvy, and their snipers are standard.
Palestinians - among them there are very spiritual people.
Iraqis are very cruel and tenacious.
The Egyptians are very skilled infantry, with a lot of really crazy people.
Officers and military personnel officers in their country are the elite.
Therefore, you can tell anyone about the peaceful and primitive Arabs, but not me. This is a fighting people, with a centuries-old military history.

[YOUR]

Quote: Krasnodar

The Arabs fight very fiercely and it is quite easy to undermine them to war. In their mentality, there are only two truly masculine occupations - war and trade.

If this were so, then Israel did not exist for a long time.

[Krasnodar]

Israel has a different feature - the people's army, the term is three years for the boys and two for the girls, the reserve is a month annually up to 35-40.
Structure - 80% serve in logistics and management, 20% in combat.
Preparation is frantic: In my most bespont (internal) combat troops, 4000 cartridges were fired only during the KMB, 10 thousand rounds were fired in the infantry at the KMB.
Professional training - units from all over the world came to my study, incl. From Russia. Seeing our classes on the final course of the KMB (anti-terror), the Russians (Vityazi, in my opinion) did not believe that we were rookies, they thought we were window dressing.
Finance - a budget of 20 billion tanks annually, for comparison - the Russian Federation has 60-80 billion with serious expenses for the Strategic Missile Forces.
Iran has about 12 billion.
Distribution of funds - 40% of the Air Force and what the Jews do not have. ))
The Air Force is the fourth largest in the world, with one of the highest airborne numbers in the world.
Mobilization capacity - 700 thousand
That which is not there - KR Popeye Turbo on inconspicuous diesel submarines with VNEU of German production.
OTR - Jericho ICBM.
Air bombs.
From 80 to 400, Nixon in the early 80s believed that 170. The General Staff of the Russian Federation believes that no less than 350.
Conclusion:
The country is a highly developed and technologically advanced military camp, therefore it is a tough nut to crack for any aggressor, regardless of the level of technical equipment and mentality.

[YOUR]

When for every soldier there are a hundred enemy soldiers, also well armed and trained. The survival of such a state is in question

[Krasnodar]

Even the PLA will not put up a hundred against each))

[YOUR]

The population of Israel is just over 9 million people. The population of the surrounding Arab countries clearly exceeds 200 million. It is believed that in the event of a global war, the state can expose 10% of the population. That. the maximum is Israel 900 thousand, the Arabs 20 million. They will simply trample. And if you add such countries as Iran, Iraq and Pakistan, which also do not favor Jews too much, and even the Turks will join. It's not like a hundred for each ........
And how did you manage to turn practically the whole world against you like that?

[Krasnodar]

Let's count:
Mobilization of Arab and Islamic countries, including Iraq - 22 million Iran and Pakistan - 16. Total 38 million Against 700 thousand 1:40. )) Minus Egypt with Jordan and the Saudis and the countries of the Gulf and Morocco - these will not fight the Jews. That is, somewhere around 1:30 in a real scenario.
Further, with the Air Force in such a coalition everything is bad, only Pakistan has worthy pilots, which is capable of allocating a limited number of aircraft - a normal number of aircraft should remain against India.
As a result, the Israelis will conquer air supremacy already at the moment of pulling together such a coalition, and then the beating of forces on the ground, slowly being pulled together thousands of kilometers away, will begin. The Israeli civilians will suffer great losses - Iranian missiles, Hezbollah + Hamas + SAR. They will not have time to concentrate a large grouping of troops at the borders. Therefore, after a couple of weeks of hostilities, the maximum UN Security Council, as always, will try to stop the carnage, and at the initiative of the Arab side. The blows on them will be delivered already at the moment of the announcement of mobilization. Gaza will be quietly extinguished into Drabadan, along with Lebanon, which will serve as a pretext for stopping hostilities. Therefore, not everything is so scary.

[YOUR]

If the Jews get it, everyone will fight, and especially Egypt.

[Krasnodar]

Again he will be left without Sinai and will snatch out in the first place

[YOUR]

If only the Americans will actively fit in.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: YOUR

If only the Americans will actively fit in.

Without them. There is a territorial buffer - Sinai. Entering Egyptian troops there (today the demilitarized zone) - red lamp, strikes on airfields / ports. And then the introduction of their troops on the peninsula, the Egyptians without air support. If this is associated with a war on the northern front against another Arab-Persian coalition, then several conventional (or not ) EMP in the center of Egypt. Enough for them.

[YOUR]

If the Arabs conspire. What I doubt, then you do not really think that such a development of the situation they do not know and will not be able to deliver a preemptive strike.
If nuclear weapons appear, then most likely this state will not exist.

[Krasnodar]

They know and do not rock the boat. But they also know very well that if nuclear weapons work on Israel, the Persian civilization will disappear (if Iran is thrown in) and the Arab civilization (if the neighbors are thrown in). It is impossible to prevent a response at this level of technology development, but Israel has something to answer.
For conspiracy, google the 1973 War. How it all ended.

[amr]

Still, I think everything has a place to be, but all this is bullshit !!

The most important and most important thing is that the Israeli military is absolutely completely financed by the United States, this is the trick of Israel ....!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: amr

Still, I think everything has a place to be, but all this is bullshit !!

The most important and most important thing is that the Israeli military is absolutely completely financed by the United States, this is the trick of Israel ....!

The Israeli military has a budget of $ 20 billion, of which the United States provides weapons for $ 4 billion a year. They are given as compensation for Israel's abandonment of Sinai, conquered without US funding back in 1967, when the USSR actively helped Egypt and Syria, in a larger volume than the States today to Jews
But, the Egyptians also did not lose out - the Americans pay them 1,5 billion tanks annually for the demilitarization of the peninsula.
Jordan, which also suffered from Jewish arbitrariness in 1967 (and then the States were allies of this country), they pay $ 500 million annually for military needs.
Therefore, American support extends to many, but most people are paid to people who can be useful not only to Americans)).

[bobba94]

The annual flight time of combat pilots of the Israeli Air Force is 280 hours, reservist pilots - 210 hours. For comparison: USA - 210 hours;
Russia - 130 hours
Ukraine - 40 hours

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

There are only two truly masculine occupations in their mentality - war and trade.

That's how it is, only you can fight in different ways. It is not the soldier himself who fights, but the army as a whole. How many European armies beat the same Arabs? And the numerous victories over the Turks, when they were beaten by the troops inferior to them at times? And the catastrophe of 1941, when the German army reached Moscow, although the Germans themselves noted that they faced fierce resistance? All this is from the same opera - the soldiers can be anything, but without the army as a whole there will be no sense.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

That's how it is, only you can fight in different ways. It is not the soldier himself who fights, but the army as a whole

100% true

Quote: Dart2027

How many European armies beat the same Arabs?

In modern times - 1956, Algeria, Desert Storm, Occupation of Iraq - 4.
In the Middle Ages, the Arabs often beat Europeans; they stopped them only in France. And the Arabs took away Jerusalem from the crusaders

Quote: Dart2027

And the numerous victories over the Turks, when they were beaten by the troops inferior to them at times?

It was, but in the 1920s they defended their independence from the British, French, etc.

Quote: Dart2027

And the catastrophe of 1941, when the German army reached Moscow, although the Germans themselves noted that they faced fierce resistance?

I agree, they learned to fight normally only by 1943

Quote: Dart2027

All this is from the same opera - the soldiers can be anything, but without the army as a whole there will be no sense.

All right

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

In modern times - 1956, Algeria, Desert Storm, Occupation of Iraq - 4.
In the Middle Ages, the Arabs often beat Europeans; they stopped them only in France. And the Arabs took away Jerusalem from the crusaders

I mean the period after the end of the Middle Ages and before the 20th century. In the Middle Ages, the level of the same Europeans there was far from a fountain, but later more well-trained regular troops appeared.

Quote: Krasnodar

but in the 1920s they defended their independence from the British, French

By that time, the Turks had an army for a hundred years, which was built according to the European model, so they had already learned to fight in a European way. And Turkey itself was not so needed as the territories it conquered, which were taken from it.

[Krasnodar]

As for Turkey, she herself was needed for one single reason - the Bosphorus. Except for Istanbul, no one cares about the territory itself.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Except for Istanbul, no one cares about the territory itself.

This is true. The question is whether taking it under the control of the same British was worth all the attendant problems.

[Krasnodar]

There was only one concomitant problem - they did not succeed.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

they didn't succeed

Rather, there was no desire. The then Turkey was in complete collapse after the defeat in the war and if they broke into it in earnest, the likelihood that they would fight back is extremely insignificant. The only ones with whom they had to fight for the Turkish lands proper were the Greeks, but their army was far from the strongest in Europe.

[Krasnodar]

I'm more about Galipoli, but the Greeks / Armenians fought them seriously + there was the help of the French, British, Italians.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

but the Greeks / Armenians fought with them seriously + there was help from the French, British, Italians

Help is not a direct invasion. The British and French helped the Greeks and Armenians, but the Turks were able to fight back. But if they began to fight themselves and in earnest, the issue of Turkey's freedom is very doubtful.

[Krasnodar]

Anything is possible, but I want to remind you that only during the storming of Gaza in WWI, the British lost 80 thousand killed and wounded. The Turks defended Gaza.

[Dart2027]

In addition, the British and French got rid of the Turks during the Dardanelles operation. Everything is true, but Turkey in 1917 and Turkey in 1915 are very different countries.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

In addition, the British and French got rid of the Turks during the Dardanelles operation. Everything is true, but Turkey in 1917 and Turkey in 1915 are very different countries.

It doesn't matter - the main thing is that they shoveled

[Dart2027]

Then yes, but we are talking about the Turkish army and Turkey as such after the loss in WWI and the collapse of the empire.

[Krasnodar]

The Kemalists have built a better army, IMHO, and quite technologically advanced and efficient, judging by the Afri operation

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

judging by the Afri operation

It is when? I don’t remember.

[Krasnodar]

Syria, a couple of years ago. UAV - artillery - from afar high-precision aircraft + special forces.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Syria, a couple of years ago

Uh-uh, what does this have to do with the state of Turkey in general and its army in particular after the defeat in WWI? The fact that they now have an army much better is understandable, but we are talking about the then.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Krasnodar

Syria, a couple of years ago

Uh-uh, what does this have to do with the state of Turkey in general and its army in particular after the defeat in WWI? The fact that they now have an army much better is understandable, but we are talking about the then.

The then, judging by Galipoli, was also not a gift, it was just that initially the conversation was about the inability of the Arabs - Turks to fight within the army. I argue that this is nonsense - those and other rather difficult opponents, to whom every time you have to pick up a "key", sometimes overcoming (with losses) fierce resistance
Swoop with them does not roll.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

it was just that initially the conversation was about the inability of the Arabs - Turks to fight within the army

Not really. The point is that the Arab troops need time to become a normal army. Not to fight as part of units, but with the army as a system.

Quote: Dart2027

By that time, the Turks had an army for a hundred years, which was built according to the European model, so they had already learned to fight in a European way.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Not really. The point is that the Arab troops need time to become a normal army. Not to fight as part of units, but with the army as a system.

This is not only for the Arabs - in my opinion, for the majority of Europeans too

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

in my opinion, most Europeans too

I mean, have modern European armies turned into a parody of themselves? It looks like it is.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

I mean, have modern European armies turned into a parody of themselves? It looks like it is.

Especially the Bundeswehr

[alystan]

And when the Egyptians asked the British and the French to leave the Suez Canal, who was there in advance and got into the war against Egypt for some nishtyaks?

[Krasnodar]

Jews. And the goal was clear and clear - from the Gaza Strip, which was under Egyptian rule, there were weekly acts of terrorism on Israeli territory)).

[A009]

"Who, then, has endowed them with the functions of the arbiters of the affairs of the world? Belay"
Torah. In plain text, I was told about this on the same site. And the Russians are simply jealous that they are not entitled to this book and are not the chosen ones.
Common sense arguments are useless here.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Olgovich

We will do everything so that Iran never gets nuclear weapons. We thoroughly test the reliability of military scenarios in this regard. They will not have nuclear weapons now or in the future.

Who has endowed them with the functions of the doers of the affairs of the world?

If they have endowed the United States with deciding destinies, then they consider it possible to take advantage of this themselves.

[Alexander Romanov]

For Russia, Ukraine’s entry into NATO is also a red line, for Israel, Iran has nuclear weapons. Each country has its own interests. Or are we also the rulers of the world?

[PROXOR]

Another confirmation of the fact: ISRAEL is the main terrorist in the Middle East. A state with a policy of national superiority ... I've already heard that somewhere. Wash one friend in the 30s said so.

[Alexander Romanov]

The one who created Israel probably)))

[PROXOR]

Very unlikely. Joseph Vissarionovich equalized all nationalities in rights. But his main aponent to the Great Patriotic War in the 30s started just like that, and so he came to power. And the friend on the boot said the same.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: PROXOR

Another confirmation of the fact: ISRAEL is the main terrorist in the Middle East. A state with a policy of national superiority ... I've already heard that somewhere. Wash one friend in the 30s said so.

In this country of national superiority, there are more than one and a half million Arabs who have their own political parties, parliament members, judges in the Supreme, etc.
In addition, at least 200 thousand Slavs and other Soviet non-Jews live there, as well as Circassians, Druze, Armenians (the last three groups have lived there for hundreds of years) .. And tell any of the Russian Slavs to return back to Russia - they will send you obscenely, unlike many Russian Jews returning here. Because there it is enough for a Russian just to study diligently and work well in order to achieve respect in society and live at a good Western European level of life, without connections, communication with people from whom they feel sick and so on. Here is such a nat. superiority)). At the same time, he will dislike Jews, and he will not hide

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Here is such a nat. superiority

Is that true?

Until now, the rule was that non-Jewish soldiers were buried at a distance of two meters from the last grave in a row. However, as it became known on Tuesday, November 3, the news service of the KAN television corporation, certain differences in the rules of burial will remain.

https://www.vesty.co.il/main/article/HJE8c00Auw

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Until now, the rule was that non-Jewish soldiers were buried at a distance of two meters from the last grave in a row. However, as it became known on Tuesday, November 3, the news service of the KAN television corporation, certain differences in the rules of burial will remain.

Truth. Moreover, a non-Jew with a non-Jew can marry in the city hall, a Jew with a non-Jew or a non-Jew with a Jew can marry a recognized marriage only in the Czech Republic, Paraguay or Cyprus. AND? ))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

AND? ))

Isn't this religious obscurantism?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Isn't this religious obscurantism?

Definitely - it is the most))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Definitely - it is the most

Then why is Israel better than Iran?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Then why is Israel better than Iran?

1) In Israel, young students are not arrested for intergender (boys and girls) dances;
2) In Israel, dress as you like - a girl in a Bikini on the second line near the Tel Aviv beach will not surprise anyone. In the center - it will cause surprise, but not a single policeman will approach her)) Imagine what will happen in Iran;
3) In Israel, openly booze on a bench - try it in Iran. Or drink alcohol in a restaurant openly, say;
4) In Israel, you can criticize the state and the government on the central TV channel, an Arab parliamentarian freely calls the Jews in the Knesset invaders. Try to do something like that in Iran;
Continue? )))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Continue? )))

That is, the fact that he has his own kinks, and those have their own? For a thump on a bench and in the USSR it was possible to get shocked, without any religion.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, the fact that he has his own kinks, and those have their own? For a thump on a bench and in the USSR it was possible to get shocked, without any religion.

Israel is the average European in terms of the level of freedom and income of the population, the quality of medicine, etc. country, not without its overtures, such as the excessive influence of religion on the funeral and marriage law.
Iran is an eastern theocratic despotism with restrictions on the freedom of citizens in elementary things (clothing, leisure, public opinion on political affairs), which has a bunch of economic problems, while at the official level it calls on its citizens to destroy Israel, etc.
It's like comparing the Russian Federation and the Central African Republic.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Iran - Eastern theocratic despotism

When a theocracy puts religion at the forefront, this is generally understandable. But when it is done by the state, which is proud of its secularity, it is already very strange.

Quote: Krasnodar

having a bunch of economic problems

Well, it's not their fault - how many sanctions have there been introduced against him?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

When a theocracy puts religion at the forefront, this is generally understandable. But when this is done by a state that boasts of its secularity, this is already very strange.

This is when Israel boasted of its secularity?
We are talking about the national state of the Jewish people. Jews are> 20 very different ethnic groups, united by the observance of the traditions of Judaism. They are, of course, valid in the Jewish state.
Moreover, divorce cases and inherited proceedings, for example, Muslims are conducted (optional) in Israeli Sharia courts, Christians carry out burials in confessional cemeteries, etc.
Everyone was happy with this before the appearance of a large number of emigrants from the USSR / former countries of the Union - very many, who are not Jews according to Jewish laws (me, for example), are also not Christians or Muslims. They are buried separately from the Jews (at the request of the family, they can be buried in a Christian, for example, a cemetery), etc.
The problem, in principle, can be solved, but it does not soar much for anyone.

Quote: Dart2027

Well, it's not their fault - how many sanctions have there been introduced against him?

Israel has been under sanctions since the early days of its existence, incl. under the American ones. Only by the 70s they began to move away from them thanks to the actions of politicians. Now there is only, if I'm not mistaken, the French embargo on the supply of arms and sanctions of some Arab countries (+ Pakistan / Iran / Afghanistan) on trade.
Iran - sanctions were introduced after the Islamists came to power, in the early 80s, they worsened in the XNUMXs. The problem is different - the country has relied on oil instead of IT, and the Persians are intelligent people. The reason is that most of the promising specialists in this field leave the country immediately after the first successful experience of telecommuting with European / other companies. do not want to live in a country with marasmic boundaries.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

This is when Israel boasted of its secularity?

So it is not its citizens who constantly emphasize that Iran is a theocracy and obscurantism, in contrast to them?

Quote: Krasnodar

Israel has been under sanctions since the early days of its existence, incl. under the American ones. Only by the 70s did they begin to move away from them

But I've read that much earlier, in the 60s, the same weapons were supplied by both the French and the Americans.

Quote: Krasnodar

The problem is different - the country has relied on oil instead of IT, and the Persians are intelligent people.

Nevertheless, they make their own rockets to launch their own satellites. I wonder how this is possible without advanced science?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

So it is not its citizens who constantly emphasize that Iran is a theocracy and obscurantism, in contrast to them?

So all normal people can see it - Israeli girls in bikinis in coastal cities and the prohibition of women to appear on the streets bareheaded in Iran, Tel Aviv nightclubs for every taste and color and arrest for joint (boys / girls) student dances in Tehran, etc. .d.

Quote: Dart2027

But I've read that much earlier, in the 60s, the same weapons were supplied by both the French and the Americans.

The French embargo on the supply of weapons was imposed two before the Six Day War of 1967, after the end of the war, the American embargo on the supply of offensive weapons was lifted (before that, even the Hawk air defense system was sold with the special permission of the president).

Quote: Dart2027

Nevertheless, they make their own rockets to launch their own satellites. I wonder how this is possible without advanced science?

Rockets and satellites are technologies of the 60s of the last century, and Iranian devices do not bring dough to their country

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

French arms embargo was imposed two before the 1967 Six Day War

Has anything changed dramatically in two days? I don’t think that this had any effect on the total amount of supplied weapons.

Quote: Krasnodar

Rockets and satellites are technologies of the 60s of the last century

Have you been to them? I doubt. But the fact that not every country is capable of launching into space is a fact.

Quote: Krasnodar

israeli girls in bikinis

I don’t argue with that. Here are just aforementioned jumps in Israel, this does not cancel.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Has anything changed dramatically in two days? I don’t think that this had any effect on the total amount of supplied weapons.

Changed:
a) the purchased and paid warships had to be HUNTED from France by a special operation of the Mossad and the Navy
b) the next serious war began in 1968 without French spare parts
c) we had to stamp the replicas of the Mirages ourselves - Nesher and Kfir

Quote: Dart2027

Have you been to them?

On whom? On rockets or satellites? No, I'm not an astronaut, much less Iranian

Quote: Dart2027

But the fact that not every country is capable of launching into space is a fact.

Not every country has an Internet accessible to the population - this is also a fact. And where and where toilet paper is not used.

Quote: Dart2027

I don’t argue with that. Here are just aforementioned jumps in Israel, this does not cancel.

Israel is the nation state of the Jews. Judaism is a religion. From there and kinks. This is the religion of the Jews.
At the same time, our overtures are much more harmless than proclaiming the destruction of another state as an official political goal - don't you think?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

bought and paid warships had to be Hijacked from France

Was that before the Six Day War? I think later.

Quote: Krasnodar

At the same time, our overtures are much more harmless than proclaiming the destruction of another state as an official political goal.

What's new in this? In politics, this is a common thing, but not everyone talks about it openly.

Quote: Krasnodar

Not every country has an Internet accessible to the population - also a fact.

Technically or ideologically?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Was that before the Six Day War? I think later.

Hijacking - later. Embargo - two days before. The next war began in 1968.

Quote: Dart2027

What's new in this? In politics, this is a common thing, but not everyone talks about it openly.

In politics, forensics, psychiatry. But - not everyone is developing a nuclear bomb)).

Quote: Dart2027

Technically or ideologically?

This way and that way.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Embargo - two days before

I wrote about this - these two days did not decide anything. There were difficulties later, but here the United States joined in.

Quote: Krasnodar

But - not everyone is developing a nuclear bomb

Those who do not develop simply do not have this opportunity.

Quote: Krasnodar

This way and that way.

But space is only in the one that is technically capable.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

I wrote about this - these two days did not decide anything. There were difficulties later, but here the United States joined in.

Well, it is clear that the decision taken two days before the start of a well-planned and well-planned operation against Egypt did not affect the victory in the Six Day War. ))
Then - yes, the Americans gladly agreed to supply weapons, moreover, of very high quality.
Because he pumped up the Arabs with modern weapons, and in much larger volumes, and with the participation of first advisers, and then regular units of the SA, the Soviet Union. So, Israel should say thanks for this, first of all to Khrushchev, and even more to Brezhnev.

Quote: Dart2027

Those who do not develop simply do not have this opportunity.

The capabilities of the States / USSR of the 1940s, France / UK of the 50s, Israel of the 60s, fortunately, are not available to everyone)).

Quote: Dart2027

But space is only in the one that is technically capable.

But the possibilities of the USSR / USA in the 1950s-60s, Israel in the 1980s, are still available. But - not in everything)).

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

So, Israel should say thanks for this, first of all to Khrushchev, and even more to Brezhnev.

Considering the fact that the USSR helped him in the creation of Israel, and then Israel went over to the side of the United States, can we thank someone else?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Considering the fact that the USSR helped him in the creation of Israel, and then Israel went over to the side of the United States, can we thank someone else?

The USSR acted extremely pragmatically - it supported the creation of Israel with five votes in the UN (out of 30 with something for, 12 against, and heaps of abstaining) and gave the go-ahead to the Czechs to sell weapons to the Jews in TRIDO. All this was done by the pharmacies to the British, who finished their education with the Arabs. But already in 1955, the Union began to supply weapons to Egypt in large quantities, and the most modern one for that day - the MiG-15 against Israeli piston Mustangs, for example.
And this was the logic - why support Israel, which is located next to the strategically important Suez Canal, when you can be friends with the progressive, expelling the pro-British monarch from the country, Nasser, in whose country this channel is located
In the United States - then peace - friendship - the Jews had chewing gum with France, while the States supported Jordan and Iraq - the Israeli enemies. The shift in relationship took place only after 1967.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

The USSR acted extremely pragmatically

Well, this is understandable, although ideology was also present there.

Quote: Krasnodar

The United States supported Jordan and Iraq, the Israeli enemies. The shift in relationship took place only after 1967.

And this is the question. The creation of Israel required a huge amount of money, which someone gave. The question is - who? It's hard to believe in private donors, too much money. It seems to me that the United States also acted pragmatically and sat on two chairs.

[Shahno]

Well, so capital. Far from all the Zionists were there, this is obvious ... By the way, you will now be able to trace which groups are investing the most in Israel's high-tech industry.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Well, this is understandable, although ideology was also present there.

Ideology - Israel in the 70s was quite a socialist country, albeit a multi-party one.

Quote: Dart2027

And this is the question. The creation of Israel required a huge amount of money that someone gave

Built in the 1880s for the grandmother of the Rothschilds and other Jewish tycoons.

Quote: Dart2027

The question is - who? It's hard to believe in private donors, too much money.

For the Rothschilds, they were not so big, but by the 1930s, taking into account the fact that all the infrastructure behind the Turks was completed by the British, and the Jews had a "state within a state" with their own agriculture and primitive production, universities, hospitals (American and German Jews + British subsidies), etc., their kopecks were quite enough.
War of Independence - only American Jews and only thanks to the efforts of Golda Meir raised (at current prices) about half a billion dollars. This is not much, but the Israelis were opposed by the Arab armies of the same primitive level of weapons - a little better armed, so at first it was enough. And by the beginning of the 60s, the Germans, in order to improve the image of the FRG in the States, began to pay reparations to Israel for the property taken from German and West European Jews - so they got out. Nevertheless, until the early 80s, Israel was a very poor country, a high-quality market took place only in the second half of the XNUMXs.

Quote: Dart2027

It seems to me that the United States also acted pragmatically and sat on two chairs.

The United States provided a loan for the development of Israel in the early 50s (about a billion tanks at today's prices), here and there tossed up loans, but, what was right on their part, they tried to make friends with the oil-bearing Arabs. Serious financial support began in the late 70s - thanks to Israel, Egypt was torn from the USSR.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Built from the 1880s on the grandmother of the Rothschilds and other Jewish magnates

Tycoons don't get so rich because they spend huge sums of money on charity. Lenin wrote a lot of nonsense, but about the psychology of those who turn in billions and 300%, he was not much mistaken. Of course it was not a bare desert, but the costs must have been enormous.

Quote: Krasnodar

Ideology - Israel in the 70s was quite a socialist country, albeit a multi-party one.

Did he then belong to the social bloc?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Tycoons don't get so rich because they spend huge sums on charity.

Most of the wealthy Jews pay tithes - after the destruction of the Second Temple, this is a voluntary matter, the most "guaranteed" against fraud is the purpose of hospitals in the Land of Israel, settlements in Israel, the security of Israel, etc.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Lenin wrote a lot of nonsense, but about the psychology of those who turn in billions and 300%, he was not much mistaken.

Marx, in my opinion. Still not knowing about Savva Morozov))

Quote: Dart2027

Of course it was not a bare desert, but the costs must have been enormous.

Once again - for him and more crowded, plus or minus its scale is not something that would exceed 10% of annual income.

Quote: Dart2027

Did he then adjoin the social block

Joining the social bloc and being a socialist country are two big differences. The ideologists of the ruling Party of Labor in Israel considered Soviet Socialism not real because of the great material and, in practice, class inequality.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Marx, in my opinion.

Yes, I messed up.

Quote: Krasnodar

Joining the social bloc and being a socialist country are two big differences.

This difference is the point. Socialism is also different, because Hitler was also a socialist (National Socialist German Workers' Party), so in itself it does not mean friendship.

Quote: Krasnodar

Still not knowing about Savva Morozov

He was in love with a revolutionary actress.

Quote: Krasnodar

for him and more crowded, plus or minus his scale is not something that would exceed 10% of annual income

Maybe.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

This difference is the point. Socialism is also different, because Hitler was also a socialist (National Socialist German Workers' Party), so in itself it does not mean friendship.

In short, Israel had its own, and the kibbutzim - anarchist communism according to Krapotkin. Well, about German National Socialism - there was a racial struggle, not a class struggle, in Israel there was no struggle at all.

Quote: Dart2027

He was in love with a revolutionary actress

Mussolini was in love with a Bolshevik woman from the USSR (Jewish woman, by the way), and became a fascist)).

Maybe.

Before WWI, the Rothschilds felt very good, then they "fell".

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

in Israel there was one, and in the kibbutz

That's what I mean - socialists are not necessarily allies.

Quote: Krasnodar

Mussolini was in love with a Bolshevik woman from the USSR (Jewish woman, by the way)

And then I broke up with her. And his anti-Semism was rather forced - at first he was not particularly fond of it, but after the rapprochement of Italy and Germany, Jews began to be persecuted, although even then the level of cruelty was much lower.

Quote: Krasnodar

Before WWI, the Rothschilds felt very good, then they "fell".

Only the Rothschilds themselves know about the real state of the Rothschilds, and even then not all.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Only the Rothschilds themselves know about the real state of the Rothschilds, and even then not all.

These are already conspiracy theories - not your level

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

These are already conspiracy theories

No, just nowhere is there a clear answer to this question. Either one and a half trillion, or three trillion, or nothing. And if you consider that this is a rather large family living in different countries, then everything becomes even more confusing.

[Krasnodar]

The question is how to count and what to count. In principle, the personal fortune according to Forbes (property, personal assets and the value of a personal, usually a controlling stake in legal entities) of none of the Rothschilds exceeds 1,5-2 billion. , EMNIP, the estimate was 1.7 trillion.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

If you look globally, it is difficult to count Pts,

This is what I mean.

[Shiva83483]

Who, who? Moses, when he was driving in the desert for forty years ... and he was driving so that the last of those who remembered the purpose of the exodus from the Egyptian darkness would die ...

[Civil]

I suppose that it is too late, in the near future, the Islamic Republic of Iran will have nuclear weapons. As history shows, only nuclear weapons can guarantee the containment of the hegemons.

[dauria]

only nuclear weapons guarantee the containment of the hegemons.

Have you misled anything? Doesn't it seem strange that Iran cannot come to an agreement with Israel?
The answer is simple - the Iranian elite is based on religious fanaticism and the enemy. They simply cannot agree - they will lose power.
Well, why the hell would a secular neutral Iran surrender to the Jews, even having no common border with them?

[Trapp1st]

Well, why the hell would a secular neutral Iran surrender to the Jews?

Israeli society is grounded in fanaticism and the enemy.

[Raphael]

Sheer stupidity.

[voyaka uh]

"Israeli society is based on fanaticism and the enemy" ///
----
This is not true.
Israeli society is very relaxed in everyday life.
There is no hatred for either Arabs or Persians.
Rather, they feel sorry for them: "poor fellows, they cannot provide a normal life for themselves,
that's why they are buzzing. "

[Civil]

Quote: dauria

only nuclear weapons guarantee the containment of the hegemons.

Have you misled anything? Doesn't it seem strange that Iran cannot come to an agreement with Israel?
The answer is simple - the Iranian elite is based on religious fanaticism and the enemy. They simply cannot agree - they will lose power.
Well, why the hell would a secular neutral Iran surrender to the Jews, even having no common border with them?

Don't confuse cause for effect. The development of nuclear weapons by Iran is a consequence. The reason is religious enmity.
It has long been possible to conduct an online battle between mullahs and rabbis. Who will kill whom with their sorcery. But everyone understands that the result will be zero. Since both groups of sorcerers promise heaven or hell only after death. You will not check.

[dauria]

Don't confuse cause for effect. The development of nuclear weapons by Iran is a consequence. The reason is religious enmity.

So who needs it, this religious enmity? Really Jews? Funny . The most educated people. There if they believe, then as in Russia - when pripriot and "just in case." And their "own" religion was one of the means to preserve their people and not dissolve for centuries in the same Europe.
You are confusing it. The reason is the power of the elite in Iran, which they do not want to give up and change.
They want religion, fanaticism, and the danger of war (not the war itself). And nuclear weapons, as a means to sit as long as possible. And why the hell is such a neighbor
Jews?

[Trapp1st]

The reason is the power of the elite in Iran, which they do not want to give up and change.

Enchanting, maybe in Russia they want to give and change, in the USA or in Israel? On what such in general law Iran should carry out Jewish Wishlist ??? For some reason, Russia is in no hurry to do what the crazy top of one country in the neighborhood requires or in another behind a puddle ...

They want religion, bigotry and the danger of war (not the war itself)

Israel needs the same.

[igor67]

Quote: Civil

Quote: dauria

only nuclear weapons guarantee the containment of the hegemons.

Have you misled anything? Doesn't it seem strange that Iran cannot come to an agreement with Israel?
The answer is simple - the Iranian elite is based on religious fanaticism and the enemy. They simply cannot agree - they will lose power.
Well, why the hell would a secular neutral Iran surrender to the Jews, even having no common border with them?

Don't confuse cause for effect. The development of nuclear weapons by Iran is a consequence. The reason is religious enmity.
It has long been possible to conduct an online battle between mullahs and rabbis. Who will kill whom with their sorcery. But everyone understands that the result will be zero. Since both groups of sorcerers promise heaven or hell only after death. You will not check.

https://islamnews.ru/news-Ahmadinezhad-radushno-prinjal-ravvina-tradicionalista Совсем не мешает религия

[zlinn]

Jews really need a secular, neutral Iran, until the 79th year, they perfectly traded with Iran and exchanged technologies and intelligence, and theocratic Iran is across the throat to almost the entire Middle East, because of its desire to Export the Islamic Revolution

[Silver bullet]

Announce the entire list! You are welcome!
What should we call two-legged animals, which not only demolish monuments, mock veterans, Nazi chants scream, but have already come to our cities to commit terrorist acts, to kill our women and children. How to call them so as not to offend you by accident?

[Ashes of Claes]

do not go into a rage, please. Call whoever you want what you want, I just expressed my lack of understanding of this redneck. And nothing more.

[Silver bullet]

Thank you, otherwise I didn’t know what to do. Now I know that fascists can be called fascists, and goats - goats, and you will not be upset.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

and what prevents not to die without meanness ... what prevents the Srailians from reaching an agreement with the Persians ...

In NAT, the guys are in trousers, with ties, shaved, and in Iran they are bearded and in dresses. Conchita Wurst in turbans. Who is there to negotiate with? With the beloved donkey of the head of Basij?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In NAT, guys in pants, with ties, shaved,

... I'm not sure that there are uncles in here ..... you probably won't understand what .... and all the Persians have beards ... so laugh at the uncles NATE

[Krasnodar]

Here. These are the aunts in dresses. But not the bearded guys. Also in dresses. And not at Eurovision, but in the highest authorities.
And you can always negotiate with such aunties - they love firefighters ))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

they love firefighters

... unfortunately you shouldn't be on such ... I liked Trump's wife ... this is a sekas bomb

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

unfortunately it's not worth it ... I liked Trump's wife ... this is a sekas bomb

If the Motherland orders, everything will learn.
And Trump's wife is outwardly good, but the models are long and uncomfortable. Sketching with such is cool, otherwise - so be

[Crimean partisan 1974]

otherwise - so be it

... well, don’t tell me .... you don’t fiddle with your wife as with mamzeli ........ another thing is the excitement is gone ... now it’s like that ... dacha, vegetable garden, hopeless fishing, etc.

[Krasnodar]

I'm generally talking about the type of Milanya Trump.
Somersaults - yes, after the first couple of years of marriage, there is more interest with mamzels of the most different, but thin and long - so be it, even with different tunings. Better small ones - more interesting, more convenient, cooler

[Krasnodar]

Israel's Xiao Bao is also okay - 12% of investments in the Jewish economy are the Chinese, the second largest Chinese embassy in the world, etc. The country lives for technology, the PDA has been licking its lips for a long time))
As for the kneading - there is not enough for everyone, in my opinion

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

they are long and uncomfortable. Sketching with such is cool, otherwise - so be

Quote: Krasnodar

Better small ones - more interesting, more convenient, cooler

Bune ziua!
For a long time I suspect that you are from another planet, but right now I understood from which one, you are a Kamasutrian Al!

[Krasnodar]

Buna Deminyatse!
Kum vyatse?
Bedesemets
After all, bad girls should be punished, especially rhythmic gymnasts.

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

Kum vyatse?

Beseder!
The word bedesemet looks like a little, doesn't it?

Quote: Krasnodar

After all, bad girls should be punished, especially rhythmic gymnasts.

Figure skaters, synchronized skaters, and of course do not forget about tennis!

[Krasnodar]

Figure skaters are BDEs, synchronized swimmers are tennis players - their shoulders are wide. I do not like.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Krasnodar

Figure skaters are BDEs, synchronized swimmers are tennis players - their shoulders are wide. I do not like.

the best dancers. they have an athletic female body, without unnecessary changes in muscles and skeleton.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: andreykolesov123

the best dancers. they have an athletic female body, without unnecessary changes in muscles and skeleton.

Agree

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Krasnodar

but thin and long - so behold,

And in the position, the man from behind is always banging on his partner's thin ass.

[Krasnodar]

And not only ))

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Krasnodar

And not only ))

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

I liked Trump's wife ... this is a sekas bomb

to be honest, only because of her I wish Trump stayed for a second year ... in the sense of a term. A rare first lady to look at.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

A rare first lady to look at.

..it's true . it is what it is..

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

to be honest, only because of her I wish Trump stayed for a second year ... in the sense of a term. A rare first lady to look at.

Macron also had such a niche))
But what about the excitement around Ivanka is not clear. For me - so Phoebe from Friends))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Macron also had such a niche

... so what was ... she is the granny-beauty

[Krasnodar]

Confused - Sarkozy)))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Confused - Sarkozy

... yes horseradish radish is not sweeter ... a pitiful sight after Charles de Gaulle

[Krasnodar]

Who? Sarkozy's wife?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Who? Sarkozy's wife?

... and why sarkOzi still married bruni ... call me ... didn't know ... I don't watch this one ... so on the news and only ... I'm more interested in topics of military equipment

[Krasnodar]

Read what Iran has for war and what Israel has - this is on the topic

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Read what Iran has for the war and what Israel -

Srail does not have the IRGC, but the Persians have

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Srail does not have the IRGC, but the Persians have

So he is the first to be kneaded and will fall

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: bobwings

The meanness in the desire not to die?

Vileness is the unwillingness to negotiate and let others solve their problems without outside interference.
It will not be as prescribed for you. There are fewer and fewer fools on the planet.

[bobwings]

Negotiate with whom? With those who do not recognize you and threaten to destroy you? With bearded radicals, religious fanatics, radicals, champions of the supernatural?

[lucul]

"Agree with whom? With those who do not recognize you and threaten to destroy you? With bearded radicals, religious fanatics, radicals, champions of the supernatural?"

Iran threatens to destroy all countries around it? Is that all straight? Or does he have a claim to only one country? And what then is the reason for this enmity? )))
Give up the loan interest and you will live peacefully with everyone.
It is the lending interest that is the root cause of both the successes and the problems of the Jews.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: lucul

Iran threatens to destroy all countries around it? Is that all straight? Or does he have a claim to only one country? And what then is the reason for this enmity? )))

With the Saudis, he is also not all ok. And the reason for enmity is populism, external and internal. They work for their sloppy strata of the population (the intellectuals don't care about Israel there) and for the Arab street.

Quote: lucul

Give up the loan interest and you will live peacefully with everyone.
It is the lending interest that is the root cause of both the successes and the problems of the Jews.

And also the Lombardians and Templars
Do you want to read a course on Islamic bank lending? ))
In short, you come to the bank to buy a Toyota worth 100 thousand dollars.
In an Islamic bank they tell you - we are selling you a Toyota for 110 thousand dollars (you can trade)
- Why am I going to take it for 110 thousand?
- And we give it to you in equal installments
The same with an apartment, travel, renovation, etc.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ROSS 42

Vileness is the unwillingness to negotiate and let others solve their problems without outside interference.
It will not be as prescribed for you. There are fewer and fewer fools on the planet.

The Israelis always try to come to an agreement first of all, for two reasons:
1) All children serve as compulsory military service, and the children of the rich and influential - mainly as pilots and in special forces. Naturally, no one wants to substitute them;
2) The standard of living is between Austria and Japan in 2019, ahead of the latter. Life is good and life is good - who needs a war?
And let others solve their problems, and not finance Hezbollah with Hamas. And this with very big problems in its own economy - GDP of $ 450 billion for 80 million Persians, compared to 400 billion for 9 million Israelis - there is room for growth, no? For example.

[Dym71]

Quote: bobwings

The meanness in the desire not to die?

The desire is legitimate, but you are proactive, and these are risks, the consequences of which can never be calculated 100%.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

The desire is legitimate, but you are proactive, and these are risks, the consequences of which can never be calculated 100%

Greetings!
And what can be calculated on the BV? The United States and Israel were behind Iran's first nuclear program, but then beautiful girls in mini-skirts roamed about Tehran. Now there bearded guys in closed dresses sit in the government, and instead of Shepard's watch, there is an electronic clock on the manicure pen, tingling the time before the destruction of Israel. and those - do not work due to power outages. Wait, that such mumbo-jumbo will master the technologies of the 40s of the last century - well, in fig.

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

An electronic clock that tingles the time before the destruction of Israel. sad and those - do not work due to power outages.

How many are left there?

Quote: Krasnodar

Wait, that such mumbo-jumbo will master the technologies of the 40s of the last century - well, in fig.

Who does not risk that kava with Baileys does not drink!

[Krasnodar]

Until 2040))
Kawa, sheridan, eh ... and even in the snow. On the white white blanket of January

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Dym71

The desire is legitimate, but you are proactive

I believe that but in this phrase is ridiculous. Should be и.

Quote: Dym71

and these are risks, the consequences of which can never be calculated 100%.

Rumors about the predictive abilities of Jews (as well as Americans, Russians, Germans, Chinese, etc.) are greatly exaggerated. 100% accuracy of predictions can be, excuse the pun, only in hindsight. And that # but that is exact.

[Dym71]

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

I believe that but this phrase is ridiculous. There should be.

A legitimate desire does not cause objections, and when you are flying fast forward with a clear hoopoe, every but tends to appear.
ps Hoopoe is a symbol of Israel. Ukrainian hoopoe - chutzpah.
I noticed an interesting detail: I wrote the word hoholok and a Ukrainian appeared, well, okay, let the birds have a Ukrainian!

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Dym71

and when you fly forward swiftly with a clear hoopoe,

and what is the "swift flight" in all kinds of declarations "we will not allow, we will not allow"?

[Dym71]

Quote: Ashes of Klaas

and what is the "swift flight" in all kinds of declarations "we will not allow, we will not allow"?

And who are we to prevent God's chosen ones from allowing something on the Promised One? We are only god-bearers

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Dym71

The desire is legitimate, but you are proactive, and these are risks, the consequences of which can never be calculated 100%.

is there at least one action the consequence of which we can calculate with an accuracy of 100,90 or at least 80 percent?
Unfortunately no.

as some clever citizen of Rome said roughly - Fortune but not valor to a greater extent decide the fate of a person[i] [/ i].

[Raphael]

Well, the Srails are not rashkovany, there is no rear, it is necessary to resolve issues preventively.

[Pavel73]

Such statements from any normal neighbor only increase the desire to acquire nuclear weapons. For a person, unlike an animal, has two main values: life and freedom. And alas: if the first requires only labor, the second requires a weapon.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Pavel73

Such statements from any normal neighbor only increase the desire to acquire nuclear weapons.

That is why the Jews got it in due time, apparently?)
And between the "neighbors" 2 thousand. km., actually. Approximately, like from Damascus to Stavropol. If the neighborhood is measured by an ICBM flight, then yes, probably neighbors)

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: Civil

I suppose that it is too late, in the near future, the Islamic Republic of Iran will have nuclear weapons. As history shows, only nuclear weapons can guarantee the containment of the hegemons.

And yet, nuclear weapons do not guarantee protection against self-destruction at all.

[Roma 1977]

Is a one-time action to inflict damage with guided air-to-ground weapons on dozens of nuclear facilities on Iranian territory somehow capable of slowing down Iran? I doubt.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Roma-1977

I doubt it.

I share your doubts. Don't forget the Jewish nerds with kosher keyboards. This is also power.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Roma-1977

Is a one-time action to inflict damage with guided air-to-ground weapons on dozens of nuclear facilities on Iranian territory somehow capable of slowing down Iran? I doubt.

For a couple of years, no more

[Roma 1977]

I would say less. After all, the coefficient of defeat is far from unity. Some kind of damage to infrastructure, mostly non-fatal.

[Krasnodar]

The Israelis are about to launch a combined strike involving logistics, infrastructure and software.
For me, a blow must be struck at all army depots and large bases and airfields. Global. Parallel to the strike on the nuclear program. Then, after responding, apply the next one, according to the remnants of the program and throughout the oil industry, for oil refining, for the military-industrial complex, for oil storages and large industrial. objects. Perhaps, in this case, there will be a greater delay in time.
The question is whether Israel has the strength to do this:

[Crimean partisan 1974]

For a couple of years, no more

... stop threshing nonsense ... almost once a year the Tectonics shakes so much among the Persians that tens of thousands of those killed are taken out to fraternal caches ... but the atomic program does not stop ... a Jewish raid would mean mochilovo ... .and I remember during the 10-year war Iraq-Iran in the Basra region killed up to 200000 military, not counting the civilians on both sides ... what if this army tramples on the Israelite ... this is the question

[Krasnodar]

If it tramples, you need to understand that it will have to fight without air cover, their air forces are outdated, the Israelis are able to work against air defense. Well, since there are no forests, all this bulk, well dug at the stage of the march through Iraq and Northern Syria, will be under constant bombardment and artillery. Then they will simply be mowed down and very quickly ground forces with air and artillery support. The Israeli peacekeeper - yes, it will get it, including from Hezbollah and Hamas, but such logistics stretched over 2000 km from Iran to the Jews will simply deprive the Persians of all supplies, especially since the Lebanese and Syrian ports are blocked for Iranian ships almost immediately. Scam.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

If you trample, you need to understand

.... if they trample it will be oops

[Krasnodar]

Question to whom))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Question to whom

... well, I suppose if the quotes are addressed to you, therefore, the questions are there too ... why, something has changed in the correspondence !!!! .... in mln .... it's the stove to blame ... because of she can't see anything

[Krasnodar]

Che is not clear? Persians will come - if they want ground forces to fight 2000 km from home without an advantage in the air (and later even without cover) for them and the khan

[tralflot1832]

This is the upper part of the iceberg. The technology for the production of gas centrifuges is possessed by only 4 companies in the world. As far as this complex apparatus is, it means that the United States cannot reach the production level. Russia disappears, for obvious reasons, only two companies, Anglo-German-Dutch and French, remain. either of the two companies is sharpening its teeth on Israel. Iran physically cannot service them, let alone produce them. The lower part of the centrifuge is space technology. Components are not really complicated. And for some reason they don’t touch the manufacturers. Who is moving the contract apart from Russia. And nglia, France and Germany.

[knn54]

Andrey, you have forgotten about the DPRK, which has allied relations with Iran.

[tralflot1832]

And from the DPRK this is where it comes from or that in the DPRK the centrifuge we believe on the word of the CIA and the OBS of South Korea. You can imagine a magnetic angular contact bearing. The DPRK means, being under sanctions, can make centrifuges, and the United States, having an unlimited resource, cannot?

[knn54]

And where does YAB come from from the DPRK, from the "air"?
And in general, before the collapse of the socialist camp, the DPRK was a fairly self-sufficient country. Wore UNKILLABLE (decent design) jacket, sports shoes. Drank excellent vodka, etc.
I hadn't even heard of South Korea until the early 90s.
For a long time there is VNEU, which the Russian Federation with a considerable resource has not yet created.

[tralflot1832]

YaB are taken from nuclear reactors, unless Yn stopped them.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Russia disappears, for obvious reasons

... yeah, especially in Bushehr

[tralflot1832]

In Bushehr, we will take all the spent uranium for reprocessing under the control of Magate. We are still strictly observing the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

for processing under the control of Magate

..laudable .... and what is the IAEA at the expense of Fukushima, which has been dumping 10 tons of radioactive water every second in the sea for 10 years already, I will keep silent about the procedure for burying or reworking soil in a 10-kilometer zone ... come on .. tell me

[tralflot1832]

Magate does not see this, this is different. Here is Iran with Russia under a microscope.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Magate does not see this, this is different.

..... GREAT ... I liked the phrase THIS OTHER ... I'm just lying around ... there is a picture about this

[tralflot1832]

Thank you, neighing and stopping the picture.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

no question, I stole it about 10 years ago when 4 reactors exploded in Fukushima

[Yves762]

We will do everything so that Iran never gets nuclear weapons. ...

".... But not the fact that we will succeed."

[Two]

And who, excuse me, chose these "chosen ones"? Where and when and how is it confirmed?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And who, excuse me, chose these "chosen ones"? Where and when and how is it confirmed?

... I recommend the animation studio 420 for viewing ... how the world works ... everything is clear and intelligible

[Two]

Cartoons are not considered as an argument! Submit your documents, if, of course, you have ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Cartoons are not considered as an argument! Submit your documents, if, of course, you have

.... the bible will do? ... then eat ... there are many more ... the history of civilizations ... in the commentary will not fit

[Tagan]

Quote: bobwings

The meanness in the desire not to die?

Did any of those killed by Israel want to die?
Just like in the joke about "Long live Africa"

[Scipio]

There will be no repentance in the east as long as there is Israel. The State of Israel should only be in history

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Scipio

There will be no repentance in the east as long as there is Israel. The State of Israel should only be in history

On the contrary, not to love Israel is the only consensus in the Middle East.
And so - to cut each other's heads without a common enemy ... besont

[Zaurbek]

They will do everything, the question is whether it will work out.

[Grandfather Mozai]

"Actions speak more about a person than words" while Biden did more for the world than Trump, what the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan is worth, most thought that these were all words, a warning to Israel against a military operation against Iran. Concessions to Germany for SP-2. There, of course, the Senate with the Congress of senile and Russophobes constantly muddy the waters, but there's nothing you can do about it. "Presidents come and go, but politics doesn't change."

[evgen1221]

And what does the can have to do with it? Trump, in fact, won that election and would have withdrawn the troops anyway.

[Grandfather Mozai]

"if only if only"

[gregor6549]

What doubts can there be about Israel's ability to destroy Iran's nuclear production? To do this, it is enough for them to collect 300 Jews and put them in command of the great king, ugh, the great president of the independent Leonidas and the victory is guaranteed https://youtu.be/IXdeEEFiTW0
And if it's no joke, then Israel simply will have no other choice if Iran crosses a very definite "red line" in the production of weapons-grade uranium.
And he has enough strength for this. Will there be casualties in Israel itself if it starts hostilities against Iran? Undoubtedly, there will be considerable ones, because Iran will not fail to say "fas" to both Hezbollah and Hamas. Yes, and Syria will try to direct in the direction Iran needs. But when Israel's citizens are faced with a choice of a new Holocaust or an honorable death in the fight against a mortal enemy, then most of them are unlikely to agree to the Holocaust. The United States, as always, will prefer to look at all this from the outside and intervene only if Israel is on the verge of defeat. It has already happened more than once. But some Arab countries, for which Iran is also an enemy, will gladly help Israel, either explicitly or secretly.
It is difficult to say how Russia will behave. Most likely, he will publicly express concern and regret for the innocent deaths on both sides, rather than publicly try to provide Israel's opponents with modern weapons.
So, to the delight of Woland from The Master and Margarita, “interesting” times will soon await the world. And not only in the Middle East, but also in the Far East, and possibly in Europe and Asia. The Taliban, too, will flare up.
In general, everything is according to Zhvanetsky: "What doctors do not do with the patient, he stubbornly crawls into the cemetery"

[rotmistr60]

bobwings (Boris)
With bearded radicals, religious fanatics, radicals, champions of the supernatural?

And you look at your Hasidim. Do you see any similarities, or I don’t see a log in my own eye, but I notice a straw in someone else’s eye?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: rotmistr60

And you look at your Hasidim.

Should I post pictures of Orthodox fanatics here? What does it matter to you before the Hasidim? Hasidim are not in power in Israel.

[evgen1221]

They will do everything, well, so Iran can at any time conclude a military-economic alliance with the Russian Federation and China with the deployment of troops and cover for the united pro-air defense systems. And at once all the Wishlist will be blown away and you will have to hear it out and negotiate. And this step is quite expected from the Iranians, at least with China for sure.

[Fisherman]

Well, no matter how beneficial it is to us that the cunning Persians have nuclear weapons. It is not beneficial to anyone. Therefore, all silently and neutrally look at the tricks of Israel.

[Romario_Argo]

the Russian Federation, as the successor to the USSR, has a valid agreement on military assistance with Iran
as an option, the Russian Federation can deploy, so to speak, a "common" nuclear weapon on our hypothetical future military base on the territory of Iran
so to speak, parity - Israel has nuclear weapons of the "common" type with the United States

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Romario_Argo

there is nuclear weapons of the "common" type with the United States

Why all of a sudden ??? We have no nuclear weapons at all.

[Roma 1977]

Some of the Israeli wits said: "Israel has no nuclear weapons, but if something happens, we will use them!"

[Or me]

Interesting position of Israel. Have we have, by the way, its legality is questionable, but we will not give it to others. I think Iran can also do something, and quite legitimate retaliatory measures.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Elijah

legal

by what law?

[DanG73]

Quote: Trapp1st

Well, why the hell would a secular neutral Iran surrender to the Jews?

Israeli society is grounded in fanaticism and the enemy.

Absolutely true, but only about Russia and not Israel.

[Horus]

There are many who can be blamed, but the Jews of Iran's nuclear program are like death, they have an interest in life and death. Such hatred for neighbors as in BV, there is no where.

[faterdom]

And in my opinion, they are doing everything to ensure that Iran has nuclear weapons.
We also managed to contribute to the appearance of the S-300 in Syria.
What I mean: their efforts are now for Iran nuclear weapons - a matter of survival and an unconditional national priority.
And he will solve it, it’s not even a question, it’s only a question of timing, and then - the backlash is small.
And then Israel will have to look with different eyes, and speak in other words, and this is also a matter of survival, therefore, it is inevitable.

[Iris]

For a long time, by all means and in all available languages, Israel has been trying to convey to the Iranian leadership the simple idea that fiddling with radioactive elements is dangerous to health, but still has no success. This is not because the ayatollah regime is so fearless, it is because the regime has no other choice but to continue working.
As his colleagues rightly point out, for him it is a matter of survival, but survival not in the light of an external threat from Israel or the United States, but exclusively in the light of an internal threat.
In conditions of hyperinflation, economic decline, falsification of elections, and forceful suppression of discontent, what is the only thing that can create the appearance of consolidation of society and justify the extraordinary powers of the authorities? The same as everywhere and always - an external enemy. The enemy will disappear - the regime will not last even a couple of months.

Of course, the external enemy from Israel is so-so. There are no common borders, territorial disputes, respectively; there is no competition in the sale of hydrocarbons - Iran has oil, but it is not in Israel, there is gas both there and there, but Iran produces it only for its own needs. There is also no conflict over water resources (an urgent problem in the region).
There is only demoniac Islamic fanaticism - "To destroy the Zionist entity - a cancerous tumor in the Middle East." Why, why - Allah is his message ..
Therefore, it is difficult for citizens to believe in Israel's evil plans. But in such a case, there are the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, who promptly and in an intelligible form explain these questions to citizens.

Thus, the likelihood of signing a viable document on the Iranian nuclear program tends to zero. What kind of treaty could Israel, the United States and the European Union arrange? Immediate and unconditional cessation of work on the nuclear program, dismantling and destruction of centrifuges, the obligation not to resume work on the nuclear military program at any time in the future, strict and unquestioning control of international inspectors, and all this simultaneously with the cessation of missile development, the disbandment of laboratories and the closure of assembly shops ... This is all, at least, because there are also warehouses of ready-made missiles and launchers.
Then - yes, the phased lifting of the sanctions.
And it is clear, of course, that the Ayatollah would sooner convert to Bahaism than sign such a document. Because "once you sit on a tiger, then you won't get off of it."

At the forum there is the opinion of distinguished colleagues that even if Iran receives nuclear weapons, it will not use it, not wanting to “throw out the baby with water together,” that is, to destroy the Palestinian “brothers” by inflicting a nuclear strike on a country with a mixed population ..
I do not share this opinion - no one knows how far the processes of insanity and dementia have gone in the Iranian leadership. And, moreover, the government of Israel does not have the opportunity to be guided by this thesis. At the same time, Israel is facing a dilemma - local strikes bring only temporary results, while a global strike will most likely entail the most unpleasant consequences - from full-scale war to accusations of war crimes. Under these conditions, almost the only way out that would make it possible to solve the problem radically and without intractable consequences is a change in the Iranian leadership.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Iris

Under these conditions, almost the only way out that would make it possible to solve the problem radically and without intractable consequences is a change in the Iranian leadership.

As a rule, a change in leadership does not fundamentally change the situation, since this leadership grows out of the people themselves and the people remain.
cutting the top of the tree leads to the growth of an identical top, since apple branches always grow from the apple tree.

[Iris]

I would like to believe that the change of the theocratic regime to a secular government or a relatively secular monarchical system will symbolize a radical change in ideology in the critical strata of society ..
Otherwise, the problem seems to be simply unsolvable.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Iris

I would like to believe that the change of the theocratic regime to a secular government or a relatively secular monarchical system will symbolize a radical change in ideology in the critical strata of society ..
Otherwise, the problem seems to be simply unsolvable.

I would like to believe.
although looking at the French Revolution, we will be surprised to see that the massacre of all the noble and not so, and all the slogans of the tricolor very quickly turned into a return to the same monarchical regime against which they were originally directed.
you cannot order your soul.

[Iris]

In general, the fact that the Islamic Revolution was overshadowed at one time is a huge omission on the part of both the States and the Israelis. Although it is difficult to say, of course, what could have been done with the discontent of the population in the conditions of total corruption, ineffective governance and state nepotism.