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Dress rehearsal of the Russian apocalypse

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Lessons from the pandemic


For almost two years, the Russians and COVID-19 have been together. It's time to summarize the preliminary results of this tandem, especially since no cardinal events are foreseen on the horizon.

By mid-November, the daily death toll exceeds 1100-1200 people. At the same time, Rosstat claims that Rospotrebnadzor has underestimated mortality data by about 2,2 times. This is due to inaccuracies in establishing the cause of death, and not with the aim of misleading. They are now shouting from literally every iron that Delta and the unconscious population of anti-Axers are to blame.

It can only be added that there is also a third reason - the overload of medical institutions. That is why now they simply do not have time / cannot provide assistance to patients with COVID-19. Delay in this case is like death.

Let's trace the chronology of the events preceding the current pestilence, we cannot name it otherwise.

The state introduces a lockdown, albeit in a truncated form. All vaccine deniers are actually given a last chance to get vaccinated - otherwise restrictive measures will be introduced. But the streets of most cities do not look like quarantine at all - life is in full swing, albeit without schools, museums, theaters and hardware stores.

Hairdressers and other small entrepreneurs continue to work, albeit without advertising their activities to regulatory organizations. The most important thing is that there is demand, then there will be supply. And there is also a considerable demand - citizens have finally come to terms with the pandemic reality and perceived the weekend as a weekend.

If it was possible to break the notorious chain of transmission of the virus, it was only purely symbolic - several regions in a week plunged even more into the covid abyss. No queues were lined up for vaccination stations, and the majority of the population remained, as was the majority of the population. A is power and very significant. It will have to be reckoned with in any case. Both the state and the vaccinated minority.

After the lockdown, the practice of passing through QR codes was spread throughout the country. Even the failure was appropriate at the very beginning.

How do we deal with QR codes?

The most nimble buy fake ones, the rest take it impudently - it so happened that the deliberately unvaccinated, as a rule, are the loudest and most actively waving their hands. In the city's unofficial publics, real instructions have appeared on how to talk to the guards who do not let them into the markets without a code.

Gentleman's set: recording a conversation on a camera, demanding a document where "an order is written", remarks "you have an emergency mode in your store, or what?" and quite banal - "you have no right, I have read the Constitution." Those who have become more experienced refer to the head of the region, who cannot sign an order on compulsory vaccination, since he is an executive power, not a legislative one.

And how is the black market responding to the introduction of compulsory vaccination?

The cost of fake QR codes and certificates has increased dramatically - the demand has grown. From 13-15 thousand rubles are now asked for a fake, and with the introduction of the State Services. The most annoying thing about this is that the scams often include medical professionals - from nurses to heads of hospitals.

However, there is nothing surprising in this. After all, they are also people, some of them want to earn money, and some of them also do not believe in vaccination or, conversely, believe in its danger. However, Russia is not unique in this situation - QR codes are also sold abroad. Maybe for some it will be a consolation.

This is a one-sided game.

On the one hand, government agencies are trying to create all the conditions, and on the other, most of the population says “no need - we'll figure it out ourselves.”

Well, figure it out for yourself. The deep meaning of such shifts in consciousness is not so easy to understand.

We will die out, no matter what


At the end of October, data from a public opinion poll by the Levada Center (entered by the Ministry of Justice into the register of NGOs performing the functions of a foreign agent) appeared, from which the hair on the head moved. 61% of Russians surveyed still believe in weapons the origin of the coronavirus.

It is gratifying that among the respondents the share of those who are ready to be vaccinated has increased. Attention: from 15 to 19%! And this at the end of October, when the fourth and deadliest wave was just gaining momentum. Logic dictates that people who refuse vaccinations should believe in a bright future. But no - only 7% believe that the most difficult thing is over, while 84% are sure that bad things will get worse now and in the future.

Paradoxically, more than half of the respondents do not support the lockdown at the state level. For reference, 1 people aged 636 and over in 18 settlements of 137 Russian subjects took part in the survey.

Let's summarize a typical portrait: "Hold on, it will get worse, but we will die out from biological weapons, no matter what - women give birth to new citizens." Indeed, during the pandemic, we learned a lot about each other. Previously, they simply hid it - there were no suitable cases.

The government also learned a lot about us. It turned out that COVID-19 is not fatal for the country as a public institution. In the end, the country is pushing off from a covid economic bottom and occupying a new niche at the international level. Look at what is happening now on the global energy market and who will take the main bonuses out of the situation.

The Kremlin had to reckon with the opinion of the "anti-Axer" majority. Therefore, we now do not see any serious exacerbation of the sanitary regime - Moscow is definitely releasing the reins. Everyone is waiting for the onset of the plateau phase in the regions and a gradual decrease in the number of cases naturally.

Now about the positive.

There was also a lot of him in this situation. A large-scale rehearsal of the apocalypse has been going on in the country for the past year and a half. During this time, the leadership learned how to quickly build up forces in the necessary points of the country, deploy an additional bed fund, and truly delegate control to regional elites, which was previously a rarity.

Domestic tourism has received a new impetus, and billions of dollars will not flow into foreign resorts such a wide river. In this sense, it is very good that Sputnik V has not yet been recognized in a number of countries.

Not without realizing their own mistakes - the attitude to medicine will never be the same. At least, I really want to believe in it. The doctors themselves tested new treatment protocols, in fact tested the effectiveness of quarantine measures, a full cycle of development and launch of medical products has been created in the country. The hour is off, Russia will turn not into a consumer of pharmaceuticals, but into an exporter.

And most of the population, as the main driver of the madness happening in the country, will continue to look for new justifications for their primordially democratic slogan “my body is my business”.
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  1. Dimy4
    Dimy4 11 November 2021 05: 46
    +12
    The ending of the article, in my opinion, is too optimistic. It is unusual for our state.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 11 November 2021 05: 48
      +68
      А most of the populationas the main driver of the madness happening in the country

      The author seems to be out of luck with the population.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 11 November 2021 05: 57
        +51
        Quote: Stas157
        The author seems to be out of luck with the population.

        And the authorities at the same time wassat
        In the last year and a half, there has been a large-scale rehearsal of the apocalypse. During this time, the leadership has learned quickly build up forces in the necessary points of the country, deploy additional bed capacity, truly delegate management to regional elites, which was rare before.
        That is, if something really serious happens, then everything is "delegated" ??? Think yourself how to cope ??? How you will all survive - decide for yourself. By the way, the regional "elites" in a really serious situation delegate the solution of problems to us.
        1. Telakh
          Telakh 11 November 2021 06: 32
          +109
          Look! For thirty years they cultivated obscurantism with all their might and ruined education, and then the unreasonable people came from somewhere!
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 11 November 2021 06: 48
            +30
            Quote: Telakh
            Look! For thirty years they cultivated obscurantism with all their might and ruined education, and then the unreasonable people came from somewhere!

            And don't say ...
            Here is Fedorov .. answer a few simple questions ..
            -Why do they not introduce quarantine, real ... for 14 days with payment of compensation to the population? After all, the government "cares" ..
            The obvious answer is sorry for the money. So the government only cares about money and the devil is not so scary as he is painted .. perhaps the government also cares about the PFR .. But the government did not care about the people .. and this is a fact
            -Why in countries where the proportion of vaccinated people is significantly higher than in Russia, the growth of the incidence is even higher?
            - And most importantly .. Why neither the manufacturer of the vaccine, nor the authorities want to take responsibility for the person in case of complications from the vaccine? Why are they forced to "voluntarily" inject?
            And now I will give an example of a video, where an interesting point is that the more vaccinated in the country, the greater the incidence.
            1. Civil
              Civil 11 November 2021 07: 30
              -36
              1. "Anti-takings" is a cowardly protest first of all. Both parties are to blame, both the state by its inconsistency and deceit, and the masses who were vouchsafed for such a passive version of the protest.
              2. The infantile majority chose the tactic "to spite my grandmother, I will freeze my nose", "when I die, you will know how not to love me."
              3. And they die en masse, especially over 65 years of age (85% of the deceased). In this age category - the overwhelming majority of old women, by the way, they are the main striking force of anti-axers.
              4. It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination, and there is no need to be afraid of the reaction of the people - they will silently accept and not swallow that. Our people are patient.

              And to all anti-axers greetings from Vysotsky:
              1. ban
                ban 11 November 2021 07: 53
                -37
                fool
                And they die en masse, especially over 65 years of age (85% of the deceased)

                Yes Yes...
                A friend's uncle died, 84 years old - the aunt went on the sly, took root, infected my grandfather ...
                It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination, and there is no need to be afraid of the reaction of the people - they will silently accept and not swallow that. Our people are patient

                Oh well. Patience is also not unlimited, it depletes ...
                1. Baloo
                  Baloo 11 November 2021 08: 48
                  +24
                  Quote: ban
                  Yes Yes...
                  A friend's uncle died, 84 years old - the aunt went on the sly, took root, infected my grandfather ...

                  Lies or misunderstandings due to not knowing the details. The aunt could infect after vaccination only in one case - if she managed to become infected, because immunity did not have time to develop sufficiently (by the 40th day of norms) or someone else infected. Think, broaden your horizons. sad
                  1. Pensive Lawyer
                    Pensive Lawyer 11 November 2021 10: 52
                    +27
                    Dear, the aunt could infect and being vaccinated. Vaccinated people also get sick. The likelihood of getting sick is less and the course of the disease is much easier and the likelihood of complications is lower. Also, how can you get the flu 2 times in one fall. Immunity is already after 1 time - he recovered, the body coped, there are antibodies. However, the body also needs time to react (like time to mobilize), if a large number of viruses get in at once - as with very close contact with an infected person. And just taking into account the peculiarities of the Delta with its wild reproduction rate - during this time even a vaccinated person can get sick - the virus will have time to multiply enough so as not to be an easy target.
                    1. ban
                      ban 11 November 2021 12: 50
                      -23
                      And with the vaccine you, excuse me, are you introducing? Aren't the strains of the virus accidental?
                      I have all the vaccinated acquaintances who are ill, some are easy, some are hard ...
                      1. mkop
                        mkop 11 November 2021 13: 07
                        +31
                        There are no strains of the virus. The adenovector vaccine contains the S gene of the virus protein, not the virus strain.
                      2. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 13: 44
                        -20
                        Is it written like that? On the fence, the X, the igrek and one more sign are written, and there is firewood! If we write something from above, then at the output we get the opposite, no?
                        I, of course, am not an expert in virology, but it is not yet clear which is worse, a strain or a gene ...
                        In fact - everything here comes down to budget loot - look at these faces, broadcasting about the benefits of vaccinations on TV!
                      3. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 11 November 2021 15: 26
                        +16
                        Quote: ban
                        I am, of course, not an expert in virology.

                        This was the starting point. Why argue about what you don't understand?
                      4. indy424
                        indy424 11 November 2021 18: 21
                        +2
                        xxx. Well this is a standard move.
                      5. purple
                        purple 11 November 2021 16: 13
                        +12
                        Why watch ... you have your own head, whoever has it will get grafted into it ... who does not ... well, sorry ... natural selection has not been canceled
                      6. nedgen
                        nedgen 12 November 2021 15: 13
                        0
                        Excuse me, dear, but who guarantees that the vaccinated will not get infected and will not die? In fact, this is what happens. I have a friend who died suddenly the next day after the waxing (it turned out that he had a cerebral stroke due to a blood clot and he had no problems with cholesterol before this and also high blood pressure. A couple of months before that he had a control examination). My sister had a seizure just after waxing and also the next day. Another friend of mine almost cut off her leg again because of the vaccine. The next day after vaccination, my leg hurt. I went to the hospital - it turned out that a blood clot had formed and if it were not for the urgent measures taken by the doctors, the leg would begin to die off due to the cessation of blood circulation. And my friend NEVER HAD a problem with cholesterol or thrombophlebitis !!! Even in Bulgaria there was a scandal because it turned out that several dozen VACCINATED Covid patients died in hospitals, and even after the second dose. My aunt got sick with Covid 3 weeks after vaccination and almost died. Barely pumped out to the hospital. That is why people do not believe in vaccination. Something like this. hi
                      7. Mihalych
                        Mihalych 12 November 2021 17: 19
                        +1
                        And another friend's ears fell off ... Keep up the good work, maybe something will fall off for you.
                      8. nedgen
                        nedgen 12 November 2021 17: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: mihalych
                        And another friend's ears fell off ... Keep up the good work, maybe something will fall off for you.

                        Thanks for the irony hi but unfortunately not funny. Moreover, it is at least inappropriate to joke with the death of others. But this is your own business. I mean to joke about the misfortune of others. And since you IMHO then I have nothing to talk with you about. I have the honor. hi
                      9. victor50
                        victor50 13 November 2021 10: 09
                        -1
                        Quote: nedgen
                        That's why

                        I think that's why many do not believe! laughing Better God, fortune tellers, shamans, UFOs and grandmothers on the bench! laughing
                      10. Fedot
                        Fedot 14 November 2021 07: 34
                        0
                        Overkill, too much.
                      11. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 11 November 2021 21: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: ban
                        Is it written like that? On the fence, the X, the igrek and one more sign are written, and there is firewood! If we write something from above, then at the output we get the opposite, no?
                        I, of course, am not an expert in virology, but it is not yet clear which is worse, a strain or a gene ...
                        In fact - everything here comes down to budget loot - look at these faces, broadcasting about the benefits of vaccinations on TV!

                        Don't talk nonsense, it's funny to read
                      12. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 23: 06
                        -5
                        Another Olginsky troll?
                      13. Titus_2
                        Titus_2 12 November 2021 18: 30
                        +3
                        Do you think it's normal that Golikova has a vaccine production business? And yet you will not deny that vaccinated people also die. Maybe there was a possibility that if it had not been vaccinated, but simply would have been ill and that's it.
                      14. mkop
                        mkop 12 November 2021 07: 59
                        +9
                        In order to understand what is worse, a school biology course is enough. A strain is a live virus that, when entering a cell, can force it to replicate this very virus through the cellular replication mechanism (the virus itself cannot multiply, it is reproduced by the cells of the virus carrier). A gene is not a virus, it is a microscopic particle of a virus (a part of a protein, so to speak) that cannot reproduce in any way, and does not harm the body in any way. This gene is introduced so that the body's immune systems are "familiar" with it, and when a virus strain enters the body, time is not wasted on the selection of antibodies to fight an already living virus.
                      15. SOF
                        SOF 12 November 2021 14: 04
                        +6
                        Quote: mkop
                        it is a microscopic particle of a virus (a part of a protein, so to speak) that cannot multiply in any way, and does not harm the body in any way

                        .... it is also important to add ... that this gene is not even taken from the carcass of a dead virus ... but only from its leg ... that is, the locomotor apparatus ..... therefore the spike protein ........it needs to be clarified.... because some especially stubborn ones ...... begin to be afraid of adenovirus mutations, to the level of polymorphs ..... from the TV series about strangers ...... wassat
                      16. raw174
                        raw174 12 November 2021 22: 17
                        +4
                        Quote: ban
                        Of course, I am not an expert in virology, but it is not yet clear which is worse, a strain or a gene.

                        This is called - Every gopher in the field is an agronomist ... I am also not a virologist, but I have an idea, since I studied this science at a university. That is why I am vaccinated, my wife and parents, too, will begin to vaccinate children and will lead them. For the opportunity to be vaccinated, humanity has paid with millions of lives.
                      17. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 27
                        +4
                        laughing yeah, as many as 2-3 days with a temperature go ... If you do not know what vaccination is ... at least they would read it on the Internet ... because a lot of materials have been there for a long time
                    2. flicker
                      flicker 11 November 2021 13: 51
                      +15
                      taking into account the peculiarities of the Delta with its wild rate of reproduction - during this time, even a vaccinated person can get sick
                      And Delta is one of the variants of mutation. And if the mutation is associated only with the rate of reproduction, then probably the situation can be solved with the help of more antibodies, through revaccination.
                      ---
                      But what if, as a result of mutation, the virus changes so much that the antibody does not recognize it?
                      And the antibody must have the property of complementarity (like a key is a lock) with respect to the virus ..

                      In Sputnik-v, the antibody is complementary to the spike protein, i.e. the immune response is based on this.
                      And the thorn squirrel MUTES !!!
                      Moreover, it is not just anyone who speaks about the mutation of this spike protein, but Ginsburg !!!!
                      “It is becoming clear that in the face of increased herd immunity, developed as a result of past disease and vaccination, the number of SARS-CoV-2 variants with mutations in RBD and S-protein will rapidly increase.
                      https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/779

                      And along with this, the efficiency of the satellite also deteriorates. And at the same time, Ginsburg calls for mandatory vaccinations.
                      ---
                      Maybe that's why morbidity and mortality are growing?
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 November 2021 14: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: flicker
                        Maybe that's why morbidity and mortality are growing?

                        A very correct question ... and along with this, the state of Novikova and Co. is growing ... including Western companies producing the vaccine.
                      2. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 14: 11
                        0
                        Golikova, probably? And also the popovs, ginzburgs and further down the list ...
                      3. flicker
                        flicker 11 November 2021 16: 40
                        0
                        Yeah, and it looks like yeast.
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 28
                        0
                        and it grows among the unvaccinated for some reason ...
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 32
                        +6
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        and it grows among the unvaccinated for some reason ...

                        On Kurginyan's channel there is a link to statistics of seriously ill patients in Israel, with reference to vaccination. And these statistics say the opposite.
                      6. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 16: 57
                        +4
                        1) Kurginyan is so-so a source, like his sect, which deliberately clogs the same VC completely and completely. and they get sick so much, it's clearly not without reason! "..
                      7. flicker
                        flicker 11 November 2021 18: 13
                        +1
                        Kurginyan is a so-so source
                        At least they write objectively about what is happening, no Soloviev and Simonyan will say about it:
                        For example, in Oryol:
                        ----
                        “In parallel with the fight against the new coronavirus infection, measures are being taken that massively violate the rights of people of all categories, ages, incite aggression and hatred towards each other.

                        Under the guise of forced necessity, people lose their basic constitutional rights - the right to work, to medical care, to education, to freedom of movement, to freedom of economic activity, to raising children, to convictions, to privacy, to personal and medical secrets and others. ", - said in the appeal.

                        Residents of Orel, named in the Great Patriotic War the city of the first fireworks, admitted that they were extremely surprised at the anti-people course pursued by the Russian government and regional governors.

                        According to them, such a course is aimed at undermining Russian statehood, the integrity of the country, at destabilizing the situation in society, creating tension in all spheres of life. Moreover, the argument for the introduction of illegal restrictions is the alleged concern for citizens, while this “concern” goes both beyond the laws and common sense, activists noted.

                        IA Red Spring
                        Read the full article here:
                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/f449f313
                        ----
                        And there are more and more such appeals. They turn to the Head of State, the Prosecutor General's Office, and the Head of the FSB.
                        And there are plenty of violations of the law associated with vaccination committed by the government of Mushustin.
                      8. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 18: 17
                        +9
                        "Objectively" is this Kurginyan? No thanks .. And then, on the one hand, he cares, and on the other, they promote the idea of ​​refusal of vaccination, it's just 5 points, and he actively spreads stuffing about "a vaccine is more harmful and more dangerous than a virus" ..
                      9. flicker
                        flicker 12 November 2021 11: 07
                        +6
                        Many facts are silent, for example:
                        The St. Petersburg government removed the requirement to fire unvaccinated employees

                        "The government of St. Petersburg removed from its decree on the fight against COVID-19 the items on the basis of which it was possible to fire employees, reports the mr-10 portal on November 7.
                        A group of lawyers filed a lawsuit with the City Court of St. Petersburg against the government and the governor of the city, Alexander Beglov. The trial was scheduled for November 15th.
                        The plaintiffs disputed several points of Resolution No. 121 of the Government of the Northern Capital.
                        “Only after the claim was accepted for proceedings and the date of the meeting was set, the points we complained about were excluded from the ruling. My colleagues and I regard this as the actual recognition by the city of its wrongness and illegality of the demands, ”said one of the plaintiffs, Anna Tsareva.

                        She noted that now there is no subject of dispute and, most likely, the court will cancel the meeting because of this.

                        According to human rights activists, this is a significant victory in defending the rights of citizens who were dismissed on unlawful grounds because of Resolution No. 121.

                        “People under pain of suspension and dismissal are vaccinated, either sit without work, or defend their rights through the courts,” Tsareva said.

                        She added that in St. Petersburg there are already cases when the court reinstates people who were dismissed due to refusal to get vaccinated.

                        We will remind, on November 10, the press service of the city issued a message where it threatened employers with administrative responsibility for not removing employees who refused vaccination. Then the press service referred to Article 76 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, which does not provide for such liability for the employer.


                        IA Red Spring
                        Read the full article here:
                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/4d0804ae
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                        One more time: there are already cases when the court reinstates people who were dismissed due to refusal to get vaccinated
                        So, it is necessary to defend your rights while remaining within the framework of the law: write to the Head of State about the need to restore their rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to the Prosecutor General's Office about violations of the Labor Code and the Criminal Code, to the Head of the FSB that the forced vaccination carried out by the Mishustin government splits society and creates conditions for civil conflicts.
                      10. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 12 November 2021 13: 20
                        +3
                        laughing because dismissal is prohibited, but leaving without content is easy ..
                      11. indy424
                        indy424 11 November 2021 18: 33
                        +8
                        after all, after this nonsense, even more people will take a breath from the crown, and in the end, the Jews will be accused again. as always. and now, be kind, tell us how many people in vaccinated Israel die per day (we can manage this number 15 times with that, and can be compared in Russia). and the second thing. almost all old people in Israel are vaccinated. therefore, it is logical to assume that the percentage of patients in general and severely in particular will be high. because there are just few others. but even if we assume that these data are correct. and if you look not at the data of the loudmouth Kurginyan, but at the official Israeli statistics, then the numbers will be, to put it mildly, different. I've even dropped the link. but since you still don’t believe in the vaccine, nothing will help.
                      12. nemez
                        nemez 17 November 2021 10: 24
                        0
                        So that's what it is about a vaccine you have to believe ?! And I foolishly thought that it was atheistic.
                      13. indy424
                        indy424 11 November 2021 18: 34
                        +1
                        https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?utm_source=go.gov.il&utm_medium=referral
                      14. Edvid
                        Edvid 12 November 2021 03: 05
                        +5
                        An example with Israel. The vaccination graphs are shown - then, after a certain period, the graph of the increase in total mortality. When they are combined, their course practically coincides !! ... Either vaccination in an incomprehensible way coincides with the overall mortality, or vaccination itself is a carrier of the infection and, as a result, the subsequent increase in mortality:
                        https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1031747
                      15. Lord_Raven
                        Lord_Raven 12 November 2021 09: 36
                        +2
                        Or, against the background of a wave of deaths, people, frightened of the disease, run to get vaccinated and the graph will show the same thing.
                        For comparison, here is an article where the author compares the number of vaccinated with data on excess mortality https://pikabu.ru/story/kovid_i_vaktsinatsiya_statisticheskie_izyiskaniya_8609898. And the evidence, albeit indirect, is not in favor of anti-vaccines
                      16. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 12 November 2021 13: 57
                        -1
                        but add a graph of the number of cases and conduct a comparative analysis by periods, what is stopping you?
                      17. flicker
                        flicker 13 November 2021 09: 45
                        0
                        and it grows among the unvaccinated for some reason ...
                        If this were so, then now the entire population of Russia would be voluntarily and without exception vaccinated.
                        But it is not.
                        ---
                        All vaccinated would walk without masks and would not be afraid of anything. And they would not pay any attention to the unvaccinated. But ...
                        ---
                        Moreover, all vaccinated are under enormous fear, which is difficult to remove. They TRUSTED and took root - what if this is a mistake?
                        Indeed, in fact, they get sick and get sick more and more often (why is the number of infected people growing in vaccinated countries?).
                        Hence, the vaccinated have a great fear of their possible mistake. This fear in them decreases only with the increase in the number of vaccinated. They say that the majority were vaccinated, which means this is the right decision, because the majority cannot be wrong. Therefore, they demand forcible vaccination of the entire population.
                        ---
                        And this is so, only it is very difficult to admit it to oneself.
                      18. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 13 November 2021 13: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: flicker
                        All vaccinated would walk without masks and would not be afraid of anything. And they would pay no attention to the unvaccinated

                        But it is not.
                        The Ministry of Health said that 10 people in Israel have been fully vaccinated with three vaccinations. but contracted COVID-19.
                        Does this mean vaccines don't work? The opposite is true according to health experts.: 10 people out of 600 million who received the third injection is only 0,27%.
                        “Nobody said that the vaccine is 100% capable of stopping infections ", - emphasized Professor Cyril Cohen, head of the immunology laboratory at Bar-Ilan University.
                        The Ministry of Health showed that 12% of hospitalized people are fully vaccinated, on Friday it was 23 people. In contrast, 80% of those hospitalized are not vaccinated, up from 160 on Friday.
                        23 out of 4 million people vaccinated means that only 0,000575% were hospitalized.
                        For comparison: out of 700 unvaccinated people - 000 people, which is 160%.

                        Israel successfully conducted national exercises to prepare to future options for COVID. The exercises were held in the format of military exercises.
                      19. flicker
                        flicker 14 November 2021 22: 56
                        0
                        Does this mean vaccines don't work?
                        The answer to your question is here:
                        Israel has successfully conducted a national exercise to prepare for future COVID options. The exercises took place in the format of military exercises.

                        Fighting a viral epidemic in a military format is a severe restriction of freedoms and contacts.

                        If vaccines work, then why are the restrictions?
                      20. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 14 November 2021 23: 43
                        0
                        Quote: flicker
                        Fighting a viral epidemic in a military format is a severe restriction of freedoms and contacts.

                        Of course not!
                        During a pandemic, civil defense management, attached to the Ministry of Health, it possesses both the knowledge and the equipment and the Biological Institute is also under the army's administration. As for human rights, any law that they want to pass is sent to the High Court of Justice for verification, to verify the legality.
                        Quote: flicker
                        If vaccines work, then why are the restrictions?

                        1 About 800 thousand are not vaccinated (refuseniks)
                        2 Children in Israel are about 1,5 million unvaccinated and they will be vaccinated within 10 days.
                        From what I wrote, you ripped out the context.
                        For this I will write again.
                        Israel successfully conducted national exercises to prepare for the FUTURE COVID options. The exercises were held in the format of military exercises.
                      21. flicker
                        flicker 14 November 2021 23: 19
                        0
                        Does this mean vaccines don't work?
                        By the way, the information below will probably interest you.
                        "It is absolutely forbidden to administer the vaccine or promote the vaccination of children, adolescents, young men and women, even if the government forbids them from attending religious schools and studying abroad."
                        Rabbinical court in New York bans vaccination of children and youth
                        ---
                        The scholars who have heard the distinguished council of the rabbis are experts in their fields: Geert Vanden Boche, Peter McCullough, Robert Malone and attorney Tom Renz. For almost a year they have been talking about the dangers of widespread vaccination.

                        IA Red Spring
                        Read the full article here:
                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/article/da1cc4b2
                      22. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 15 November 2021 00: 33
                        0
                        Quote: flicker
                        By the way, the information below will probably interest you.

                        No, I know very well what and who they are.
                        I'm more interested in this.
                        The FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to prevent COVID-19 in children aged 5 to 11. The authorization was based on a thorough and transparent evaluation of the data by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which included input from an independent advisory committee who voted overwhelmingly to provide the vaccine to children in this age group.

                        Following the United States' move, Israeli children between the ages of 5 and 11 will soon be eligible for childhood doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine. According to Jewish media reports, the first shipments of specialized vaccines will arrive in Israel next week.

                        Israeli Ministry of Health Director General Professor Nachman Ash said that the Ministry of Health intends to ask Pfizer for data on the efficacy and side effects of the drug for treating coronavirus, as well as the price of the drug, in order to test the possibility of concluding a purchase agreement for the drug.
                      23. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 11 November 2021 16: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: flicker
                        And Delta is one of the variants of mutation. And if the mutation is associated only with the rate of reproduction, then probably the situation can be solved with the help of more antibodies, through revaccination.

                        Good afternoon!
                        Yesterday we discussed this problem in detail with you.
                        Yes, everything must be done in stages.
                        The first stage is vaccination and the second revaccination
                        But if the first stage is extremely low percentage of vaccinated, the second stage will not help.
                        As I already wrote, the theory of infection from vaccination has not been proven.
                        Current vaccination statistics as of 10.11.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX (Israel)
                        Population 9 326 thous.
                        6 252 690 67,05% first vaccination
                        5 748% second shot
                        4 006 649 43% revaccination
                        Yesterday, 489 people were identified who became infected.
                        In September 2021, there were over 11000 people every day.
                        As you understand, vaccination cannot infect in any way, and today those who are not vaccinated or have not undergone revaccination become infected.
                        Quote: mkop
                        And along with this, the efficiency of the satellite also deteriorates. And at the same time, Ginsburg calls for mandatory vaccinations.

                        Yes, against "Delta" after 5-6 months, the effectiveness decreases in all vaccinations which today is and everything that can stop the growth of infections today is what I wrote.
                        The first stage is the vaccination and the second revaccination after 5-6 months after the last vaccination.
                        Nothing else exists in the world yet!
                      24. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Do you understand that vaccination can not infect in any way, and today those who are not vaccinated or have not undergone revaccination become infected

                        Lie. I personally know two people who went to the hospital after being vaccinated. I personally know 4 people who went to home sick leave after vaccination.
                        From the words of other people I know at least a dozen of the same cases.
                      25. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 16: 59
                        -4
                        let me guess, all six of them had sores and they consulted with the attending physician on the issue of vaccination as required by the instruction, but did they keep silent about this during vaccination?
                      26. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 11 November 2021 17: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I personally know two people who thundered to the hospital after being vaccinated.

                        I know much more.
                        1. Today there is NO ONE vaccination that protects 100%.
                        2. After infection, it takes 3 to 5 days before the onset of the disease and it is quite possible that the infection occurred several days before the vaccination.
                        3. After the first vaccination, the protection is no more than 50%, after the second vaccination, the protection is 70% and only a week after the second vaccination, the protection is 87-91%, which protects against Delta by 79-81%
                        But there are people who, even after revaccination, do not have antibodies at all.
                      27. Alex_1973
                        Alex_1973 11 November 2021 23: 08
                        +3
                        Ingvar 72 (Igor)
                        Lie. I personally know two people who went to the hospital after being vaccinated. I personally know 4 people who went to home sick leave after vaccination.
                        From the words of other people I know at least a dozen of the same cases.
                        Excuse me, are you really a headache or just pretending? WHO and WHERE told you that vaccinated people cannot get infected with Covid? What the hell are you talking about here? Anyone vaccinated against the flu is not immune to the fact that he does not get sick ...! ANY vaccination does not guarantee against infection, it only guarantees that you will not die from the disease and transfer it in a more or less mild form and EVERYTHING is nothing more. How long can you be likened to a castrule-headed skakuasa?
                        I remind some "patriots of the USSR" that in the USSR they vaccinated ALL without exception and no one, no one, ever asked if they wanted to be vaccinated or not. And it was RIGHT !!! This is exactly what should be done now. Only now the modern "liberals in power" have a lot of guts.
                      28. HaByxoDaBHocep
                        HaByxoDaBHocep 12 November 2021 07: 07
                        +7
                        I fully support, I remember at school they gave vaccinations and did not ask anyone whether you want or not, but we also had such a joke, who did not put the vaccine on that coward and goof)
                      29. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2021 07: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex_1973
                        Excuse me, are you really a headache or just pretending? WHO and WHERE told you that vaccinated people cannot get infected with Covid? What the hell are you talking about here?

                        The medical officials are talking nonsense, and the opponent to whom I answered. Read what Gunzburg said about the vaccine and the percentage of protection, and then think (if you have such a function) who is sick in real life.
                        And the USSR does not need to be cited as an example, with it people thought about, and the cost of medicine was not reduced. Sanatoriums and dispensaries were built, work was carried out to prevent diseases. Where is it now?
                        If you want to inject yourself - go ahead and with the song, do not climb up to me.
                      30. tolancop
                        tolancop 12 November 2021 11: 26
                        +6
                        If you have problems with your head, then you do not need to transfer your problem to another.
                        Quote: Alex_1973
                        WHO and WHERE told you that vaccinated people cannot get infected with Covid?

                        Over the course of 2 years (and seemingly responsible people) have said so much and any opposite that distrust of what these "responsible" people say has become very persistent.
                        Quote: Alex_1973
                        ANY vaccination does not guarantee against infection, it only guarantees that you will not die from the disease and transfer it in a more or less mild form and EVERYTHING is nothing more

                        My wife's sister, vaccinated in the clinic back in the summer (including the left drug and the purchased certificate, do not nod!), Only recently got out and lay under the ventilator. Vaccination DIDN'T HELP. And she, as it turned out, does not guarantee anything.
                        Quote: Alex_1973
                        How long can you be likened to a castrule-headed skakuasa?
                        I remind some "patriots of the USSR" that in the USSR they vaccinated ALL without exception and no one, no one, ever asked if they wanted to be vaccinated or not.

                        The fact that you lived in the USSR is doubtful. In the USSR, they were vaccinated, but not without exception, but those who were supposed to. Some vaccinations were compulsory against smallpox, for example. But some only to certain categories of citizens (from encephalitis, who worked in the taiga). And it was possible to refuse if there were grounds. But in the USSR, they definitely did not vaccinate in public toilets and did not require papers with an autograph about taking risks on themselves. The state obliged, but also took responsibility for it.
                        Compare with the current state of affairs.
                      31. Obliterator
                        Obliterator 12 November 2021 13: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Lie. I personally know two people who went to the hospital after being vaccinated. I personally know 4 people who went to home sick leave after vaccination.

                        After does not mean consequence.
                      32. flicker
                        flicker 11 November 2021 16: 56
                        +10
                        Good day!
                        against "Delta" after 5-6 months, the effectiveness decreases for all vaccinations
                        and the way to avoid this decline
                        revaccination after 5-6 months after the last vaccination.
                        if so and
                        Nothing else exists in the world yet!
                        Then we get that salvation is only in increasing the number of antibodies.
                        But the antibody must have the property
                        the property of complementarity (by type, the key is a lock) with respect to the virus.
                        And if the virus mutates and loses the property of complementarity with respect to the new strain, then no increase in the number of antibodies (devoid of complementarity to the new strain) will not save the situation.
                        I'm afraid it might even worsen.

                        And the S-Protein (against which the Sputnik builds an immune response) mutates, according to research by the Center. Gamalei.
                      33. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 11 November 2021 18: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: flicker
                        And the S-Protein (against which the Sputnik builds an immune response) mutates, according to research by the Center. Gamalei.

                        I do not deny it, but the Oxford / AstraZeneca vaccine is built on the same trailer as Sputnik V, and this has not been noticed. I do not delve into production, as not high-quality cleaning, etc.
                        As I wrote yesterday, none of the vaccinations showed this.
                        And even if there is a percentage of infection and mortality without vaccination, hundreds or thousands of times higher, and therefore recommends Ginsburg for compulsory vaccination.
                        As I wrote earlier, for today only this saves from the virus.
                        And there is no doubt that a vaccine will be developed that protects against all types of mutation, as well as a cure for treatment, which will be submitted to the FDA for approval within this month.
                      34. Living7111972
                        Living7111972 12 November 2021 01: 08
                        -4
                        Vaccination is important not for a person, but for society. Collective immunity is formed. Human rights bullshit!
                        It's like in battle, if there is no one to die for the people, then why such a people! Well, in principle, this has long been the case in our country.
                      35. alystan
                        alystan 12 November 2021 00: 58
                        +5
                        But after all, those who have recovered and did not throw off their skates, fortunately, have antibodies and, in fact, should not pose a danger to others? Why is this category of people not included in the statistics presented?
                      36. alystan
                        alystan 12 November 2021 00: 30
                        +5
                        It is possible that this is so, but more likely because the immunity developed after vaccination is still much weaker than the immune response of the body of a person who has recovered. Look at that mess with the grafted, to which all the doors are open, no restrictions and even masks are not necessary. Is it really possible to fight infectious diseases? One gets the impression that not specialists are busy with this, but random people from the street (like Golikova) who were put (who did this, I would like to know) at the head of the anti-infectious fight team !?
                      37. Garris199
                        Garris199 12 November 2021 04: 46
                        +7
                        We were ill with the whole family at home, our unfortunate health care was not disturbed. Have passed tests, my wife and I have high antibodies (natural, powerful immunity has formed). We do not need to vaccinate, and moreover, the next 6 months is even undesirable. Why should we now be limited in rights? We are obliged, as healthy and virus-resistant people, to give a QR code and get away from us.
                      38. Garris199
                        Garris199 12 November 2021 22: 47
                        +2
                        Patients who have been ill should not be given the vaccine for 6 months to avoid the occurrence nonspecific multiple organ inflammatory response, with which you can thunder and in resuscitation... Children have so-called multisystem inflammatory syndrome as a complication of covid. This is something like this can happen in adults who are vaccinated immediately after illness.
                        And such people who have recovered quietly peacefully at home are the majority. Why does no one say that it is dangerous to vaccinate them? Why do they only think about how to limit these healthy people in their rights? Next comes the well-known quote from Mr. Lavrov.
                2. Sfurei
                  Sfurei 11 November 2021 11: 52
                  +9
                  ".. A friend's uncle died, 84 years old - my aunt went on the sly, took root, infected my grandfather ...."
                  You drive a complete, pardon the expression, blizzard. What kind of infection from the vaccine ?? Where do you get such nonsense? There is not even a dead virus in the vaccine, let alone a live one !! There is only protein from the virus (remember the chemistry)! Read the composition of the vaccines ..
                  All my relatives were vaccinated and we ourselves were still in the spring and no one (I repeat NOBODY) got sick. And after the vaccine, there were no serious side effects. The temperature for 2-5 days doesn't count (my wife and I didn't even have that). If you do not know, then know that when children are vaccinated, they may also have fever and chills for several days, etc. - this is NORMAL for almost any vaccination. The body processes it this way.
                  But when we on a business trip (after 4 months) picked up covid, there were other sensations. But (thanks to the vaccination) we had a temperature of 1 evening and then 37,5 C and increased fatigue for 5 days. Of the serious, only glitches with taste and smell. Which still return periodically.
                  As he wrote in another comment: from the relatives after the vaccination, if they were sick, no one was admitted to the hospital. And before the vaccination there were some who were lying with lung damage !!
                  I think one of these days we'll go get a revaccinate .. Take care of your loved ones!
                  1. ban
                    ban 11 November 2021 12: 56
                    -3
                    But I’m not vaccinated, I’ve probably been ill a couple of times, without doctors and without consequences, and?
                    I save myself by sports and vodka.
                    What I wish everyone !!!
                    Knowing the department of gunzburg, do not work hard for yourself, it's like voting for a party of crooks and thieves, something like that ...
                    1. Sfurei
                      Sfurei 11 November 2021 13: 12
                      +9
                      The author has already written everything about you: ".." Hold on, it will be worse further, but we will die out from biological weapons, no matter what - women give birth to new citizens ".." I have nothing to add. ))
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 11 November 2021 14: 52
                      -10
                      Then brace yourself because you and everyone else will more than once be sick with covid, most likely with its new forms and how the course of the disease will pass is unknown, maybe without symptomatic mild, moderate or severe forms, here the game of decreasing begins either you will survive or your health will be thoroughly undermined or you will play in the box ...
                      1. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 15: 12
                        -2
                        Vadim, I am always surprised at vaccinated people. I don't care if you injected yourself with this rubbish or not - this is everyone's personal business.
                        Whether vaccinated or not are the same carriers of the infection.
                        But most of all, it is those who have taken the analogue vaccine who act.
                        Apparently, after all, after taking this rubbish, cognitive abilities fall in proportion to the amount taken. Something like this...
                      2. purple
                        purple 11 November 2021 16: 17
                        -3
                        Quote: atalef
                        Children practically do not get seriously ill, and there are so few deaths that they even do not fit into 0.0001%

                        This is not true ... but how do you know? You don't know the topic at all ... now the delta, it affects children, including
                    3. VORON538
                      VORON538 11 November 2021 14: 58
                      +19
                      I save myself with sports and vodka. (With ban (Yuri) Today, 12:56)
                      And how do you combine sports and alcohol? Do you drink before, during or after, or are you just passionate about liter-ball? lol
                      1. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 15: 15
                        -5
                        You drink before you go

                        Have you tried it? good
                        Of course not. All week I work in the gym in the mornings, and rest on weekends. drinks
                        Well, or after visiting large crowds of people - as a preventive measure
                      2. klimalekc
                        klimalekc 12 November 2021 13: 56
                        0
                        I don’t understand, but what are they minus for?
                    4. olegff68
                      olegff68 11 November 2021 15: 14
                      +1
                      But I’m not vaccinated, I’ve probably been ill a couple of times
                      Forum rules do not allow you to tell what you just signed ...
                      I probably got sick a couple of times, without doctors and without consequences ...

                      The consequences, they are not visible to you - The incubation period of covid is 4-14 days. Now imagine how many you have infected during this time and how many of them went to the next world.
                      1. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 15: 25
                        -4
                        You know, no one in the family or at work got sick, or asymptomatic, everyone was aware. And in public places I did not shy away. Home is work, by car, and that's it.
                        In March, a friend of my childhood celebrated fifty dollars - one grandmother slammed her face on the table, all covered in foam. They called an ambulance, the students arrived, without masks, they pumped the grandmother to no avail, the reanimobile arrived, there are already seasoned ones, also without masks. They told us - pneumonia, but they took us to our covid Central District Hospital.
                        You will not believe - none of those present got sick with anything. Because the antiseptic was taken inside enough.
                      2. VORON538
                        VORON538 11 November 2021 15: 33
                        +5
                        All week I work in the gym in the mornings, and rest on weekends (c)
                        You will not believe - none of those present got sick with anything. Because enough antiseptic was taken internally. (C)

                        You have already decided whether you are sitting at home, doing sports, or simply drinking an "antiseptic" and "treating" others after that laughing
                      3. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 15: 35
                        -6
                        fool
                        Something like that.
                        Similarly, in those vaccinated, the head does not work well.
                      4. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 11 November 2021 17: 57
                        -3
                        We are yes - that one. The choice was made and the choice was unambiguous and deliberate. To be honest, I don't care whether you are grafted or not. The main thing is that you stick to your position to the last, do not succumb to provocations: do not inject the vaccine, even if they are trampled from work or into transport, the hospital, the restaurant will not be allowed. I have familiar sufferers: I do not agree, but I injected myself - because I was forced at work or I had to go somewhere.)))
                        And if you get sick, then do not go to the hospital, continue to be treated with vodka and sports. And then suddenly they will do something bad with you in the hospital (they will inject some other rubbish)))) And then you will occupy the ward, and it would be more necessary for those who are that ... :))
                      5. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 18: 18
                        0
                        even if they are trampled from work or into transport, the hospital, the restaurant will not be allowed.

                        He smiled heartily.
                        Kindergarten.
                        Has your head become really bad?
                        If anything, I am both a director and a chef myself, I am treated by a veterinarian friend, I do not use transport, except for my own, I live on a farm ...
                        In short, they scared the hedgehog with his bare bottom laughing
                        Think better if it is the other way around. After all, you, vaccinated, are 20 percent in total, or even less
                      6. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 11 November 2021 19: 52
                        +1
                        Now I smiled too: the director at the farm and the chef, etc. I am especially glad that you are treated by a veterinarian. She didn’t advise you to get a rabies vaccine, as she did to all her patients?
                        And for you to understand, there are already more than 2 million people fully vaccinated (that is, with 50 components), which is 34.6% of the total population or 43.6% of the adult population. And 59,9 million people have already taken root with one component, i.e. 51.7% of the adult population. Those. throwing back children and adolescents, you are an anti-vaccine comrade already in the minority))
                      7. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 20: 41
                        0
                        And Ginsburg says that 80% of the chickens bought codes. So believe you, Olginsky laughing
                      8. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 11 November 2021 21: 55
                        0
                        So you will decide on ".. cowards and a cross, take one off or put on ..": if you believe him, why don’t you vaccinate? And if you don't believe me, you can't quote him.
                        And then some kind of garbage turns out, here I believe, - I don't believe here ...))
                      9. tolmachiev51
                        tolmachiev51 12 November 2021 03: 54
                        0
                        Smaller with these tsifirkami "bryakayte" / 43,6% / - this is a mandatory "sheep" vaccination, ie those who simply have no choice.
                      10. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 12 November 2021 10: 33
                        -5
                        Not true, not mandatory.
                        Almost all my relatives were vaccinated voluntarily and I have many acquaintances (including those who had previously been ill). My brother recently got the second booster shot. We also decided to do a revaccination in the near future. And in general, no matter how they were forced, they could not go. You will be told to jump from the window. You jump, no. Even if they say that they will be fired from work. SO?
                        Therefore, they did it to everyone who wanted or who doubted .. Ardent anti-vaccines should stand their ground no matter what. Otherwise, they are simply doubters, and in fact, these are already less than half of the adult population. Fact is fact request
                      11. alystan
                        alystan 12 November 2021 01: 10
                        0
                        Forgot to add:
                        And in public places I did not shy away. Home is work, by car, and that's it.
                      12. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 41
                        +9
                        Quote: olegff68
                        Now imagine how many you have infected during this time and how many of them went to the next world.

                        Do the vaccinated get sick? belay
                        In Israel and Great Britain (where medicine is at a different level), they think differently. Vaccinated people are also a source of infection. You are distributing Solovyovo-Skabeyevsky tales.
                      13. indy424
                        indy424 11 November 2021 18: 41
                        0
                        if not difficult, can you imagine the comparative statistics of Russia and Israel, how many there and there die every day from the crown?
                    5. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 11 November 2021 15: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: ban
                      But I’m not vaccinated, I’ve probably been ill a couple of times

                      I also suspect that I have been ill, but in order to check this, you need to unfasten a tidy sum.
                      1. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 15: 26
                        -10
                        Test for antibodies, and everything will be clear
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: ban
                        Test for antibodies, and everything will be clear

                        So about this and speech, that you have to pay for this loot.
                      3. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 11 November 2021 17: 23
                        +8
                        Quote: ban
                        Test for antibodies, and everything will be clear

                        How much does it cost with our free medicine? In Vologda, the minimum price for such an analysis is 1335 rubles. To some it may seem small, but in my pension receipts they are not superfluous, considering that I paid for two operations this year (again with free medicine) and climbed into a credit hole for 8 months
                      4. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 18: 26
                        -3
                        Sorry if that. I live in the Moscow region, we have here ... well, you understand. I will help with the test, no question, write in a personal
                    6. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 29
                      -7
                      and my brother has an acquaintance too .. vodka and sports .. buried about a month ago .. and the peasant was not even 40 years old
                      1. BIABIA
                        BIABIA 11 November 2021 17: 47
                        +3
                        It depends on the organism. My neighbor in the country until 80 years old drank moonshine, he did not see him sober, put on an overcoat (former cop) and let's go round the village. Duc disappeared at 80 years old. They found it later in the river, drowned, you know ...
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 17: 51
                        0
                        here the whole point is that with coronavirus, strong immunity is detrimental from a certain stage, therefore, in the treatment of severe stages, immunosuppressants are used
                    7. Evgeny Ivanov_5
                      Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 November 2021 16: 08
                      -5
                      Right. And you also don’t have to pay taxes, for travel in transport, for communal apartments, etc. And after that, honestly send your children to a private school, university, to be treated in paid clinics and hospitals. And the main thing is to refuse a pension. For the state is not fucking to meddle in my personal affairs.
                    8. Lord_Raven
                      Lord_Raven 11 November 2021 17: 29
                      -4
                      Quote: ban
                      Knowing the department of gunzburg

                      So you are a virologist and are familiar with the activities of the center. Gamalei or not special? You will decide whether to remove the cross there or put on panties.
                      Quote: ban
                      do not work hard for yourself, it's like voting for a party of crooks and thieves, something like that ...

                      Sorry, but this is very similar to the logic of the schizophrenic, to compare sour with insipid and find something in common. How is a vaccine developed at a research center related to a political party? Or are you one of those who think that there are nanochips in a vaccine and after its introduction into your head I will broadcast Kiselev and Solovyov around the clock?
                      1. ban
                        ban 11 November 2021 18: 28
                        -2
                        So you are a virologist and are familiar with the activities of the center. Gamalei

                        No, I'm not a virologist, but I had a Gamaleya center as a customer. So what about the cross and panties you are in vain. More questions?
                      2. Living7111972
                        Living7111972 12 November 2021 01: 13
                        0
                        Those who actually work in such places do not participate in orders.
                      3. Lord_Raven
                        Lord_Raven 12 November 2021 09: 23
                        0
                        That is, the virologist ordered you to move the tiles or clean the toilet, and you have abruptly mastered the knowledge of virology? What's next? Did you teach a taxi driver to drive a light, or program in C ++ while sweeping floors in an IT company?
                    9. klimalekc
                      klimalekc 12 November 2021 13: 52
                      0
                      Of course, you mixed everything in a heap, but in my small town not a single drunk died and of course they did not get vaccinated. Maybe alcohol really helps
                  2. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 13: 08
                    -9
                    Quote: Sfurei
                    From serious only glitches with taste and smell. Which still return periodically.

                    what was required to prove, genetic engineering influence on the processes of thinking and processing of information signals, and were not checked by a geiger counter?
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 11 November 2021 18: 08
                      -3
                      or disruption of the organs of smell and taste from the effects of the virus ... by the way ... already the virus "clicks" or just the vaccine?)
                  3. ban
                    ban 11 November 2021 13: 45
                    -10
                    You drive a complete, pardon the expression, blizzard.
                  4. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Sfurei
                    Temperature for 2-5 days does not count

                    Why doesn't it count? After what vaccinations did it become the norm?
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 11 November 2021 18: 14
                      +2
                      and among how many of them use adenovirus as a platform?
                3. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 25
                  +2
                  what is it infected with? the adenovirus, which was injected? which does not even multiply?
                4. purple
                  purple 11 November 2021 16: 12
                  -3
                  fool
                  where do you come from ..... Stalin is not on you
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 11 November 2021 17: 48
                    +7
                    Quote: purple
                    fool
                    where do you come from ..... Stalin is not on you

                    I am more and more inclined to believe that this is another operation against our country. If you think about it, the country has already been divided into two camps (vaccinated and unvaccinated), they are constantly being pitted against each other (in the internet they constantly dog ​​each other, all that remains is to clash in the streets). If our woodpeckers in power are smart enough to close the entrance to shops unvaccinated, then this will cause, at least, smashing windows and arson, despite the great level of patience of our people.
                    1. klimalekc
                      klimalekc 12 November 2021 14: 06
                      0
                      Nothing will happen. They will be outraged and accept it as inevitability.
                5. sleeve
                  sleeve 12 November 2021 08: 00
                  +2
                  It didn't blow up with the pension, so do you comfort yourself with the expectation of a "vaccine revolution"?
              2. Baloo
                Baloo 11 November 2021 08: 43
                -12
                "Antivaxing" is a cowardly protest first of all. Both sides are to blame, both the state by its inconsistency and deceit, and the masses who were vouchsafed for such a passive version of the protest. everything is correct. Non-polished media faces should call for vaccinations, this only annoys most people. It is necessary to show the work of resuscitators in covid hospitals and departments, especially for children. Children (!!!) get sick and suffer and die from covid because of unvaccinated adults who are sick and spreading the infection. An example should be taken from China. What is characteristic: the majority of anti-axers do not have higher education and they have nothing to lose financially. Everyone tells horror stories. Yes, from 1 to 18% of vaccinated people get sick, but do not go to intensive care. Those who do not have time to develop immunity get sick, with concomitant pathology, incl. and in the immune system. An unvaccinated person who has been ill in a mild form may get sick again and more severely with a sad outcome. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity after illness. Because the covid virus can persist for a long time in the intestines and salivary glands without showing itself. hi
                1. atalef
                  atalef 11 November 2021 08: 49
                  +10
                  Quote: Balu
                  Both sides are to blame, and the state with its inconsistency and cheating


                  Quote: Balu
                  Children (!!!) get sick and suffer and die from covid because of adult unvaccinated patients

                  well, don't spread misinformation
                  Children practically do not get seriously ill, and there are so few deaths that they even do not fit into 0.0001%
                  Then - vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally infected and equally infect others

                  Quote: Balu
                  ... An example should be taken from China

                  children are not vaccinated there yet
                  Quote: Balu
                  Yes, from 1 to 18% of vaccinated people get sick, but do not go to intensive care. Those who do not have time to develop immunity get sick, with concomitant pathology, incl. and in the immune system.

                  leave the tales.
                  Both vaccinated and not are infected in the same way, the course of the disease is different. in many vaccinated people, it goes away asymptomatically or mildly.
                  Quote: Balu
                  Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity after illness.

                  is not a fact.
                  Quote: Balu
                  Because the covid virus can persist for a long time in the intestines and salivary glands without showing itself

                  you contradict yourself.
                  Ie you understand. that the asymptomatic vaccinated carrier of the virus continues to infect.
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 11 November 2021 08: 52
                    -16
                    Quote: atalef
                    Children practically do not get seriously ill, and there are so few deaths that they even do not fit into 0.0001%

                    Lie, and you get sick and also hard. I read translations of your sources
                    Quote: atalef
                    leave the tales.
                    Both vaccinated and not are infected in the same way, the course of the disease is different. in many vaccinated people, it goes away asymptomatically or mildly.

                    Also a lie, from 1-18% this is the latest data for the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: atalef
                    is not a fact.

                    FACT
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 11 November 2021 09: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Balu
                      Lie, and you get sick and also hard. I read translations of your sources

                      No, they do not get sick, only a few of them had a heap of concomitant diseases.
                      What should I come up with?

                      Quote: Balu
                      Also a lie, from 1-18% this is the latest data for the Russian Federation.

                      Well, we do not lie, I am not interested in your data.
                      Almost everyone is vaccinated, including the 3rd dose over 56%, including myself, I am not an anti-Vaxer, it makes no sense to lie to me.
                      1. musketon64
                        musketon64 11 November 2021 11: 03
                        +7
                        Almost everyone is vaccinated, including the 3rd dose over 56%

                        Online statistics of the coronavirus Covid-19 in Israel for today (11 November 2021)
                        Coronavirus on November 11, 2021 in Israel was found in 1277270 people. According to our data, today, the number of people infected with the Covid-19 virus has increased by 2875. The number of recorded deaths from the coronavirus has increased by 40 today and is 7732. The number of people recovered and discharged from hospitals has increased by 0 and in total today is equal to a person.https: // coronavirusstat .ru / country / israel /
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 11 November 2021 11: 41
                        -4
                        Quote: musketone64
                        Coronavirus on November 11, 2021 in Israel found in 1277270 people

                        so what ?
                        Most are asymptomatic and mild
                        By doing 200 tons of checks per day, of course they will find
                        Quote: musketone64
                        and on November 11, 2021, 1277270 people were found in Israel.

                        That's right, in almost 2 years.
                        So what ?
                        Quote: musketone64
                        Coronavirus deaths recorded today increased by 40 to 7732

                        What is the general question then? Did I say that the vaccinated do not get sick?
                        by the way for today
                        Last day, 75 thousand tests were done, 489 new patients with coronavirus were identified. This is 0.65% of the number of checks.
                        There are 6 390 active patients now, 198 people were hospitalized in hospitals. 146 patients are in serious condition, 114 are in critical condition, 102 are connected to mechanical ventilation, 36 - to ECMO.
                        4 people received the third dose of the vaccine. At the end of the month, vaccination of children 006-649 years old will begin, the Ministry of Health yesterday made a decision by a commission of experts that this should be done.
                        There are two “red” settlements in Israel, but the incidence is falling there too. Most cities and towns are colored green.
                        Since November 11, due to the drop in the incidence of coronavirus, the government has eased restrictions.
                      3. musketon64
                        musketon64 11 November 2021 13: 25
                        +6
                        Most are asymptomatic and mild

                        Actually, like everywhere else in the world. But the incidence in Israel, despite the "herd immunity", for some reason continues to grow.
                        "Over the past 24 hours, according to the Israeli Ministry of Health as of Thursday, November 11, 75 coronavirus checks were made. The total number of infected people was 409. Yesterday it was 6390, and at the beginning of last week - 6499. Meanwhile, a new one will start operating soon. "Pressure factor" on this factor. The "Coronavirus" cabinet has lifted a number of restrictions in places with a low risk of infection. "

                        What is the general question then? Did I say that the vaccinated do not get sick?

                        Are sick. Including in a severe form. And not as we were assured - if you get sick, then quite a bit. And not vaccinated, not just a little, but sometimes they do not get sick at all. I am not an anti-axer. But when my boss (41 years old), with whom we were vaccinated on the same day, in the 5th month was taken away by ambulance with 75% of lung damage, and his other unvaccinated employees either did not get sick, or suffered in a mild form (One got sick even again literally a month later, although it seems that she was actually "vaccinated" in a natural way) for me, not everything is so unambiguous with these vaccinations. I am more inclined to trust preventive methods of struggle. And with that, there is a trouble in Russia. Therefore, I believe that vaccination is an auxiliary tool. Nothing more, especially since the virus has already confused into other strains.
                      4. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 11 November 2021 18: 32
                        0
                        Quote: musketone64
                        Actually, like everywhere else in the world. But the incidence in Israel, despite the "herd immunity", for some reason continues to grow.

                        Please provide a link on Israel, so that ALL could make sure you wrote The truth. hi
                      5. musketon64
                        musketon64 13 November 2021 16: 01
                        0
                        https://detaly.co.il/koronavirus-v-izraile-dolya-polozhitelnyh-testov-vnov-vyrosla-2/
                        atalef explained this phenomenon by "waves, like everywhere else in the world." What do you want? winked That is, it is still far from victory. Moreover, "Meanwhile, a new 'pressure factor' will soon begin to act on this coefficient. The 'Coronavirus' cabinet lifted a number of restrictions in places with a low risk of infection."
                      6. atalef
                        atalef 11 November 2021 19: 27
                        0
                        Quote: musketone64
                        But the incidence in Israel, despite the "herd immunity", for some reason continues to grow.

                        waves like everywhere else in the world. You do not look at the incidence, the bulk is asymptomatic and mild.
                        Look at the percentage of deaths.
                        This is a more accurate picture.
                        Quote: musketone64
                        Are sick. Including in a severe form. And not as we were assured - if you get sick, then just a little

                        I do not know who assured you. But the fact remains - 90% are not vaccinated in a severe form, there are also vaccinated, but as a rule, people of advanced age or with a bunch of diseases. Vaccinated young people under 45 are completely zero.
                        Quote: musketone64
                        for me, not everything is so unambiguous with these vaccinations

                        and even the Lord God does not give a 100% guarantee.
                        Quote: musketone64
                        I am more inclined to trust preventive methods of struggle.

                        what kind of 7 garlic is there?
                      7. musketon64
                        musketon64 13 November 2021 16: 52
                        -1
                        I do not know who assured you. But the fact remains - 90% are not vaccinated in a severe form, there are also vaccinated, but as a rule, people of advanced age or with a bunch of diseases. Vaccinated young people under 45 are completely zero.

                        We were assured by medical workers, virologists and other comrades from every iron and paper media. And your non-posting information, which you refer to, also confirms this. I don’t know about you in Israel, but in Russia the vaccinated and “grafted in a natural way” end up in a sufficient number of covid centers. And here I again insist on the role of preventive measures. In Russia, they practically "scored" these events. Even banal masks in a crowded public. transport. And this, according to the doctor-virologist, affects the severity of the disease. Since it plays a big role, how many viruses a person "grabbed" at one time. When viruses enter the body in a large number, it leads to the fact that even a vaccinated body may not have time to develop the required number of antibodies. And the new strains have become even more aggressive. Plus another factor that annoys me especially, the government in a pandemic did not limit the number of arriving labor migrants in any way. They are not vaccinated, live in hostels and hostels in large groups and often end up in clinics (at our expense), contributing to bad statistics. Plus, as my colleague, who has been under oxygen and who gave me the opinion of his attending physician, told me, primary physicians are to blame for a large number of severe cases, who instead of immediately large doses of antiviral and other drugs prefer "sparing" methods of treatment. As a result, the disease progresses rapidly and the person ends up in intensive care.
                        -------------------------------
                        [quoteLook at the percentage of fatalities.
                        This is a more accurate picture] [/ quote]

                        That I also described to you. Prevention, TIMELY and correct treatment protocols.
                      8. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 11 November 2021 18: 24
                        0
                        Quote: musketone64
                        Online statistics of the coronavirus Covid-19 in Israel for today (11 November 2021)

                        What's the point in distorting the truth?

                        As of November 11, 2021, 1 cases of Covid-336 coronavirus infection were recorded in Israel. This is the total number of infected since February 21, 2020, when the first case was recorded..
                        Over the past day, the number of infected has increased by 551 people.
                        The total number of deaths from coronavirus infection in Israel is 8, today there have been 6 deaths.
                        There are 6 people in the active phase of the disease, 567 of them are in critical condition. Mortality rate: 146%.
                        Confirmed cases of complete cure of the virus to date, November 11, 2021 in Israel: 1.
                        https://coronavirus-monitor.info/country/israel/
                  2. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 09: 46
                    -17
                    "Gunzburg explained that it is possible to check whether a person was vaccinated with Sputnik V or not using a special analysis for the presence of drug markers:" = that is, it is obvious that markers, isotopes are introduced under the guise of a vaccine, https://tass.ru/obschestvo/12750415 by which a person can be tracked with metal detectors, the government wants all people to be microchipped and under a hood ... how will isotopes affect health? It was known about two thousand years ago ..
                    And he will do what everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slaves, will receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
                    17 and that no one will be allowed to buy or sell, except the one who has this mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
                    Rev 17-9
                    18 Here is wisdom. He who has intelligence, count the number of the beast, for it is a human number; his number is six hundred and sixty-six. (that is, the usual barcode QUARCODE, which, as everyone knows, is mandatory 666, the rest of the numbers there are optional)
                    And the third Angel followed them, saying with a loud voice: Whoever worships the beast and his image, and takes the mark on his forehead, or on his hand,
                    Ps 74: 9 Is 66: 24 Jer 25: 9 Rev 16: 19
                    10 He will drink the wine of God's wrath, whole wine, prepared in the cup of His anger, and will be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb;
                    Is 34, 10 Mt 25, 41 Jn 5:29 Rev 19, 3

                    When the first Angel poured out the cup, "there were cruel and disgusting purulent wounds on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image." 9 Rev 16 that it is natural to carry isotopes in oneself, even in small quantities, but constantly = harmful



                    In addition to this vaccination, this is a covid infection, although in a mild form, while the vaccinated infect others, so the epidemic does not stop but spreads (Mongolia Israel and Singapore have done this by 100 percent), everyone knows that covid leads to infertility, this is a measure to reduce humanity. and old people are killed with covid because they are usually weak and sickly, for the benefit of the powerful = pensions are saved
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 31
                      +3
                      what is this nonsense? markers are antibodies for corona and adenovirus
                      1. Vladimir1155
                        Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 15: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        markers are antibodies to corona and adenovirus

                        I wonder why you decided so, what is called antibodies, this determines the PCR test which, after vaccination, does not give a result for some reason ???? MOSCOW, June 14. / TASS /. The coronavirus vaccine cannot cause a positive PCR test or antigen test, according to the Rospotrebnadzor website on Monday.
                        https://tass.ru/obschestvo/11641387
                        The tracer method is based on the use of radioactive isotopes or isotopes that differ in mass from the usual ones. ... Labeled atoms are introduced into the composition of a substance, the substance enters the cell (organism), and then the presence of the labeled atom in the composition of certain substances and structures is recorded.
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 16: 02
                        +1
                        hmm, yes, you are really stupid as a cork! why did you decide that PCR detects the presence of antibodies? it sort of detects the presence of a virus or its residual materials in a smear, and an antibody test allows you to determine the presence of antibodies in the blood, and not in the biomaterial from the nasopharynx ... hmm ... you still believe in 5g-station, hilarious) .. You can immediately see that you have been tagged .. and more than once
                      3. Vladimir1155
                        Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 16: 05
                        -3
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXKOXIoMDE4
                        lying barberry !? and why did you get sick with the virus?
                        so you are so clever, explain why you still find antibodies if the PCR test does not give a result
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 17: 02
                        -1
                        so who is your source ... "President of Tanzania" .. well, as you were not very smart, you stayed with them ... I wrote to you above that antibodies are found in the blood, and the PCR test checks for the presence of virus materials in the smear ..... And now the question ... throw off the link where it is indicated that the PCR MUST produce a result for antibodies) laughing come on Vova ... burn)
                      5. Vladimir1155
                        Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 17: 10
                        -4
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        come on Vova ... burn)


                        PCR is a molecular diagnostic method that has become the "gold standard" for a number of infections, time-tested and thoroughly tested clinically. The PCR method allows you to determine the presence of the causative agent of the disease, even if only a few DNA molecules of the pathogen are present in the sample. https://www.invitro.ru/library/labdiagnostika/16110/

                        in the second there is a very detailed link, the price of the timing and not a word about the isotope markers of Ginzburg
                        https://www.avaclinic.ru/testirovanie-na-covid-19/
                      6. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 November 2021 17: 40
                        +1
                        and now two questions, even three:
                        1) where in the first link there is a mention of antibodies
                        2) why did you decide that markers are isotopes, when all over the world markers during vaccination are the presence of antibodies
                        3) have you fallen into insanity?
                      7. Alex_1973
                        Alex_1973 11 November 2021 23: 41
                        -1
                        Barberry25 (Barberry)
                        3) have you fallen into insanity?
                        He did not come out of it ... !!! What do you want from an inveterate baker and Russophobe? Do not argue with the poor, do not throw beads in front of them, they will not appreciate it anyway.
                      8. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 12 November 2021 09: 02
                        0
                        thanks, it's just that he periodically catches his eye with his delirium ..
                    2. Harry.km
                      Harry.km 12 November 2021 12: 20
                      0
                      Quote: vladimir1155
                      that is, it is obvious that markers, isotopes are introduced under the guise of a vaccine, https://tass.ru/obschestvo/12750415 by which you can track a person with metal detectors,


                      Tough tough! )))

                      The marker will be an antibody to a vector ... A satellite is not only 2-3 kilograms of corona fragments, but also a carrier, which are two adenoviruses. So there will be markers for them ... But all this is in theory, in practice, no one will deal with this. Corona PCR test, not done even before vaccination ... Virus antibody test too. What other markers are they talking about ... It was about the fact that there is such a thing, it was used in as many as 80 (!) Cases of which 80% turned out to be negative. That's all. And this thing will obviously not go into general circulation, well, maybe except for the case when for the "left" vaccination they will be fined 100 thousand ... Otherwise, who needs this test? ))) And again ... I personally know people whose "companion" vaccination did not cause any side effects, there is a great chance that they will not have antibodies to "vectors" either.
                  3. vkfriendly
                    vkfriendly 11 November 2021 10: 30
                    -5
                    Quote: atalef
                    leave the tales.
                    Both vaccinated and not are infected in the same way, the course of the disease is different. in many vaccinated people, it goes away asymptomatically or mildly.

                    It is not at all the same right now that 97% of those who contracted the infection were not vaccinated. The statistics are different by region, but it fits into less than 1% of cases after two vaccinations, only Peter gets out of this error there, for some reason, up to 6% of those who are fully vaccinated.
                  4. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 11 November 2021 13: 13
                    +5
                    Israel without exception. voluntarily compulsory vaccinated. Whether the Jew wanted it or not, the Rothschildos Soros allocated money for vaccinations, and under the most severe restrictions for the unvaccinated, they drove the Israelis to get vaccinated. Now vaccinated for the third time .. And the gentleman from Israel atalef, carries a blizzard for the unreasonable Russian aborigines. The question is why? The answer is clear.
                  5. olegff68
                    olegff68 11 November 2021 15: 24
                    -8
                    Children practically do not get sick

                    ALL children's covid centers are crammed to capacity, in my city they are urgently opening an additional one ..... Terrifying mortality of pregnant women, dying themselves, dying fetuses - AND FOR WHAT IS ALL THIS FOR?
                    For the sake of that, a crowd of meager outcasts would have amused their vanity by talking at length about conspiracy theories ??? I personally have not heard ANY sane explanation for refusing to be vaccinated, one cave heresy.
                    And yes - "my body, my business" - has not been rolling for a long time - an unvaccinated torso at times spreads the infection more strongly than a vaccinated person.
                    And yes - in Israel, the mortality rate ranges from 0 to 2 people per day - they are almost over - you can guess why?
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: olegff68
                      ALL children's covid centers are packed to capacity, in my city they are urgently opening an additional

                      In what city?
                      Maybe it's enough to post nonsense? Even Popova admitted that there is no surge in childhood morbidity, and severe forms are practically absent. fool
                      1. olegff68
                        olegff68 11 November 2021 17: 13
                        -13
                        Here's to say to people like you, but they'll be banned again, miner professional ...
                        No shame, no conscience, no honor - we are talking about human lives AND CHILDREN, and he is practicing verbiage.
                        AND WHY DO NEW CHILDREN'S COVID CENTERS OPEN IN THE REGIONS ???
                        Well, here's an example for you - https://www.vestitambov.ru/new/v-rasskazove-otkryli-pervyj-v-regione-detskij-kovid-centr/
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 18: 24
                        +6
                        Quote: olegff68
                        Tell people like you, but they'll be banned again, minus professional

                        For the gifted, I don’t give any disadvantages to anyone. And your Vesti in Stary Oskol completely screwed up.
                      3. olegff68
                        olegff68 11 November 2021 21: 09
                        -4
                        De, De, De
                        I can throw you 100500 links from other sources about the same event -
                        https://vtambove.ru/news/society/210983/
                        A bunch of other links about children's covid centers in other regions.
                        But about the zvizdets that is going on in the family houses and perinatal centers, unfortunately, you can only learn from those who work there.
                        But those like you who are afraid of "zombie vaccination", sneeze at all the arguments of real people, do not care about statistics, do not care about reality - the main thing is the holy belief in "chipping", sterility, etc. - in everything that Dnipropetrovsk bot-farms are richly fed with.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2021 07: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: olegff68
                        I can throw you 100500 links from other sources about the same event -

                        And what's in those links?
                        Doctors point out that children tend to tolerate the disease caused by COVID-19 more easily than adults. But in some cases, children also need hospitalization.

                        With this, no one argued that some (!) Need hospitalization. Where is the mass character? fool
                        And what is going on in the perinatal centers? Nothing is going on here in Togliatti. A friend of mine recently gave birth to my wife, and an anesthesiologist I know works there.
                        Or do you panic and horror to catch up?
                      5. olegff68
                        olegff68 12 November 2021 08: 33
                        -7
                        For those who are in a helmet, in a tank standing in an armored train - what kind of panic to catch up ???
                        The pandemic is already 2 years old, the end and the edge is not visible to it (without vaccination). 1200 corpses DAILY - according to the OPEN statement of Rosstat, the figure is 2 - 2,5 times too low.
                        Most of the population has been ill and this does not slow down the pandemic, and the disease leaves profound consequences on the health of those who have been ill, the dead are familiar to EVERYONE in the circle. And looking at those like you, you understand that we are now actually in the Middle Ages.
                        And yes - you don't have any anesthesiologists you know in large maternity hospitals, otherwise he would have told them about the covid departments for pregnant women and what is going on there.
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2021 08: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: olegff68
                        The pandemic is already 2 years old, the end and the edge is not visible to it (without vaccination). 1200 corpses DAILY

                        And in my opinion, you are wearing a helmet, repeating media patterns.
                      7. olegff68
                        olegff68 12 November 2021 11: 38
                        -4
                        And in my opinion someone "sit, I'll open it myself" - What does the "media" have to do with it, if you pray PERSONALLY neighbors and acquaintances in their prime of life went to another world from this infection? The "media" suggested to me that I HAVE been ill, my relatives, friends and relatives - the vaccinated were ill in a mild form, who bought the QR code - hard, painful, in covids, with oxygen and droppers in two veins ?????? The "media" suggested to me that she infected my family - a cleverly made knot from work, that she also bought a QR ???
                        Why is there still no mandatory vaccination for all ???? Yes, because those in power and their families will not be able to dash around Europe - Sputnik is not recognized there, and double vaccination is dangerous.
                      8. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2021 12: 43
                        +4
                        For the gifted, I have been ill, and according to research by scientists, my immunity to Covid is better than that of the vaccinated.
                        Further, the vaccine absolutely does not protect against infection, this is confirmed by the study of Israeli and British scientists. Academicians Zverev and Chuchalin say the same. Links have already been posted here many times.
                        Accordingly, the vaccinated are also vectors.
                        And the last thing - if you are so convinced that the vaccine is a panacea, then inject yourself and do not meddle with others. You're protected. wink But no, the unvaccinated ones bother you again.
                        And this is more like paranoia.
                        PS And in Europe they are already rummaging around, the government has already bought 400.000 doses of Pfizer long ago.
                      9. olegff68
                        olegff68 12 November 2021 15: 35
                        -3
                        This is especially amusing - well, it very clearly reflects the intellectual level of anti-vaccines -
                        according to research by scientists, I have better immunity to Covid than vaccinated

                        And how long have you been among the test subjects ??? And another question - from what strain do you have the "best" immunity ???
                        Further, about supposedly
                        research by Israeli and British scientists.

                        In Israel, most of the population is vaccinated and the death rate is near ZERO. Well, that is, you are openly lying, or you are broadcasting a lie.
                        Just like
                        vaccinated are also vectors.

                        I am, only here IN TIMES to a lesser extent - IN TIMES, therefore in Israel the mortality rate is about zero, and this is the main thing
                      10. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2021 15: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: olegff68
                        from what strain do you have the "best" immunity ???

                        What strain do you have the vaccine for? wink
                        Quote: olegff68
                        near ZERO mortality

                        The number of critically ill patients in Israel was googled? Two thirds of severely ill patients from 60 to 80 years old are fully vaccinated. 50% of new cases are vaccinated with two doses, and 20% with three doses of vaccine!
                        Although what am I talking about, a person with clear signs of psychosis.
                      11. olegff68
                        olegff68 12 November 2021 23: 03
                        0
                        You’re always like this - you stole your dressing gown and, well, let's make diagnoses ...
                        And we have a vaccine FROM ALL STRAINS KNOWN AT THE MOMENT, because the virus spike gene is taken as a vector, and so far they are the same for all strains.
                        I have not followed your links for a long time and do not take the trouble to check the numbers, because when I did this, EVERY TIME I ran into outright manipulations and lies.
                        MORTALITY IN ISRAEL IS ABOUT ZERO - this is all your social networks with cerebral diarrhea from the Dnipropetrovsk bot-farms cannot be explained.
                      12. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2021 23: 08
                        0
                        Quote: olegff68
                        And we have a vaccine FROM ALL STRAINS KNOWN AT THE MOMENT

                        Damn, you're a wizard! laughing
                        And nothing that at the time of its creation the Delta strain did not yet exist?
                        Quote: olegff68
                        I have not followed your links for a long time and do not take the trouble to check the numbers, because when I did this, EVERY TIME I ran into outright manipulations and lies.

                        Are there any examples? Or is there diarrhea at Prigozhinsky bot farms? wink
                      13. olegff68
                        olegff68 13 November 2021 10: 53
                        0
                        Just think, what a situevina - the virus mutates, but the thorn gene is NOT YET. As it changes, so in the shortest possible time they will make changes to the vaccine - since there are no problems with scaling today.
                        And to list all the fakes that MASSOVO poured into social networks - there is not enough space.
                        As an example of the statement that you can get infected from the vaccination (here you can read those who have absorbed it in the comments), statements about infertility, about chipping, etc. etc.
                      14. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 13 November 2021 14: 59
                        0
                        Quote: olegff68
                        As an example of the statement that you can get infected from vaccination

                        My neighbor rushed to the hospital for two weeks on the second day after the second vaccination. His wife also fell ill because were vaccinated together, but lay at home, although it was bad.
                        And on infertility - Gunzburg personally said that he had no data on the effect of the vaccine on reproductive function.
                        A cat in a poke, for any thinking person. For it is extremely surprising that in a country where it is impossible to buy banal panties of domestic production, they have created something outstanding, but with extremely anti-brownish properties, even according to official data.
                        But God bless her, with the vaccine, blessed are those who believe, the placebo effect has not been canceled.
                        Get a shot - health to you, but why bother with the rest? Do you not see that under the pretext of security of the population, their rights are being infringed even more?
                      15. olegff68
                        olegff68 13 November 2021 17: 25
                        -1
                        Gee ... Who said that your neighbor was not infected BEFORE vaccination, or in the first days after it ???
                        And then - I say to those like you - YOU are personally guilty of 1200 corpses a day.
                        Because you and others like you maliciously, or through negligence, spread fakes and manipulations. An example - you say that 60% of seriously ill with corona in Israel are vaccinated .... Considering that in Israel 70% are vaccinated, and the remaining 30% are children, adolescents and a scanty% of medical treatment - then who are the remaining 40% of seriously ill patients? ??? Medical curators ??
                        And now in terms of numbers - In Israel the population is 16 times less than in Russia - we take 16 as a coefficient.
                        Infections for the last XNUMX hours:
                        Israel - 413, Russia - 39256 (: 16) - in Russia it is 6 times more.
                        Hospitalized:
                        Israel - 230, Russia - 258000 (: 16) - in Russia 70 times more (!!!!!)
                        Died in a day:
                        Israel - 2, Russia - 1240 (: 16) - in Russia 38 times more ...
                        Do you see the question of your responsibility for these figures? I can see. And if smallpox flares up again, will you also rant about "rights" ?? From such outbreaks, ONLY vaccination helps.
                      16. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 13 November 2021 18: 35
                        0
                        Quote: olegff68
                        Gee ... Who said that your neighbor was not infected BEFORE vaccination, or in the first days after it ???

                        Naturally, I did not expect other arguments. laughing
                        Quote: olegff68
                        And now by numbers

                        The numbers are not yours, nor is the ability to think critically. Germany - 82 million people, 42% fully vaccinated, 58% vaccinated with one vaccine. The incidence today is 50.000 people. per day, and 13.000 of them are vaccinated.
                        And as you know, sick people are also distributors.
                        You even smash your forehead against the wall, but two plus two will be four. I have been ill, I have a natural immunity, and I do not need an artificial one. All the more so dubious.
                        And smallpox with covid can only be compared by a person whose horseradish and finger are the same. laughing
                      17. olegff68
                        olegff68 13 November 2021 19: 23
                        0
                        These are the arguments that you are not able to dispute - everything that is in Israel, where the majority are vaccinated - for some reason you did not dispute ...
                        Well, come on in Germany, where 42% are vaccinated - among the sick, these same vaccinated - 26%, the remaining 74% are not vaccinated ... I hope you are able to compare the numbers? 58% of the unvaccinated, minus children and adolescents, give 74% of cases, the lion's share of seriously ill and dead.
                        And yes - the vaccinated and the sick are also distributors, but to a lesser extent, because they get sick less often (see the numbers above) and are easier.
                        And yes - for the Coronovirus pandemic, we lost a THOUSAND TIMES more people than for the outbreak of smallpox in Moscow in 1959, just because then the government did have testicles.
                      18. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 13 November 2021 19: 37
                        0
                        Quote: olegff68
                        These are the arguments that you cannot dispute - everything in Israel, where the majority are vaccinated

                        For those in the tank, 60-70% of those lying with a crown in Israeli hospitals are fully vaccinated.
                        And the number of deaths is enough to explain our "honest" statistics, which need shocking numbers to accelerate vaccination. Therefore, they write deaths from heart attacks and strokes in covid.
                        This can be easily verified by looking at the statistics of death from these causes over the years.
                        But you don't want to think, Kiselyov and Simonyan are yours.
                        By the way, a considerable percentage of mortality in our country is added by the optimization of medicine. In Israel, medicine is one of the best in the world.
                        I hope this is not news to you? wink
                      19. olegff68
                        olegff68 13 November 2021 23: 17
                        0
                        For those who are in an armored train:
                        1) The data of Rospotrebnadzor about 1200 people who die from Covid per day, according to Rosstat, are DECREASED by 2,5 times. Rosstat could not find another reason for the sharp increase in overall mortality compared to previous years. As for the dying acquaintances around me, I agree with them.
                        2) In Israel, about 100% of the ADULT POPULATION are vaccinated - if in hospitals 60% are vaccinated (as many as 138 people out of 230 hospitalized), then who are the remaining 40%, tell me who are these 92 unvaccinated ??? After all, if about 100% of adults are vaccinated, then in hospitals there should be 100% vaccinated.
                        3) What do you PERSONALLY know about medicine ??? If I tell you that YOU PERSONALLY in Russia has access to a level of medicine that is inaccessible to ordinary people in Germany, USA, Canada, France - will you be surprised?
                        4) The whole reason for our dispute is the desire of those like you, to put their Infantile whims above the interests of society. These "interests" of APRIORI should not be taken into account by the government, and if they are taken into account, then the government extracts its own skinny interests from this.
                      20. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 14 November 2021 07: 39
                        0
                        Quote: olegff68
                        Rosstat could not find another reason for the sharp increase in overall mortality compared to previous years.

                        Not mortality, but population decline. And there may be several reasons. Due to the pandemic, they stopped giving passports to migrants.
                        Quote: olegff68
                        If I tell you that YOU PERSONALLY in Russia has access to a level of medicine that is inaccessible to ordinary people in Germany, USA, Canada, France - will you be surprised?

                        This is where the conversation should end, I have no desire to smash my forehead against the wall in an argument with the kremlebot.
                        If anything, I live in Togliatti, I have never been to Ukraine. So that there are no stupid assumptions.
                      21. olegff68
                        olegff68 14 November 2021 13: 04
                        0
                        De, De, De - well, there are no fewer migrants in our country and they are getting passports for themselves. As a landlord, I tell you this.
                        And yes - I received FREE services at the same MNTK, in the province and at the federal cardiovascular clinic in Penza ...
                        And when acquaintances came to their parents from Canada and Germany - they also went with these parents and themselves to such clinics - and from the speed and quality of diagnostics, from the results of treatment, they were in a quiet pleasant shock - in their words, you will not get ANYTHING even close they even have a lot of money, only for very, very, very big money, which is inaccessible to 99% of the population ..... One still flies here to make teeth - and it turns out cheaper and of better quality.
                        And no country in the world will be able to provide hospitalization - beds, medicines, oxygen, ventilation and specialists for 258000 seriously ill patients alone (0,2% of the population) ... 2.800.000 residents and provide them with EVERYTHING from food, drink, medicine, to oxygen, mechanical ventilation and medical personnel somewhere in a million employees. Now imagine what kind of burden these anti-vaccines are giving to the economy.
                      22. Shahno
                        Shahno 14 November 2021 13: 11
                        +1
                        So after all, everything is clear that simple and routine medical procedures and diagnostics in the Russian Federation are much cheaper, and for the same money somewhere in Samara you will cure 10 teeth, you will also put a crown at a good dentist, and with the money saved you will buy everything you need for your parents and still pay for your flight ... But. If suddenly there is serious oncology or immune diseases, if a fourth heart attack, a complex stroke, where can you go? To the Lord? In clinics in Germany, Israel ... and they will not let you lose hope, and they will put you on your feet.
                      23. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 14 November 2021 13: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Shahno
                        and for the same money somewhere in Samara you will cure 10 teeth

                        Yes, with those s / n it's a penny. What should we do with our salaries? request
                      24. Shahno
                        Shahno 14 November 2021 15: 04
                        +1
                        Has free medicine really died? Well then try to make health insurance funds.
                        Better to move away from the raw materials economy, and return to communication with European institutions ... Develop high-tech, this is an entrance to the European market. So far, everything is not as good with them as with us and with the Chinese.
                      25. olegff68
                        olegff68 14 November 2021 13: 49
                        0
                        You are right and wrong at the same time.
                        1) It is necessary to separate medicine for everyone and medicine for the rich - those clinics in Germany and Israel, they and THEIR residents are mostly not available, but for a lot of money, believe me, you can find EVERYTHING here.
                        2) It is necessary to separate, roughly speaking, hospital medicine and outpatient medicine - the latter, yes, has fallen almost to the level of the USA and Germany, where you need to wait for ultrasound for 6 months, and the diagnosis is made by the program in the computer, where the doctor stupidly ticks the boxes about your complaints.
                        And yes - in the USA, a dental technician has the right to place fillings and crowns WITHOUT HIGHER medical education - hence the quality and a lot of consequences.
                      26. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 14 November 2021 13: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: olegff68
                        no country in the world will be able to ...

                        In the USSR, I remember how things were with medicine, so I don’t need to rub about "not in one country".
                        And in Penza - a friend lives in Mokshan, it is not realistic now to get to a therapist.
                      27. olegff68
                        olegff68 14 November 2021 14: 01
                        0
                        Let me remind you - in the USSR, you did not rassosolit with people like you, and in 1959, in a matter of days, ALL the population of Moscow was locked up with a curfew, after which everyone was vaccinated. AND IT'S ENDED.
                        Your friend cannot get to the therapist, because POLYCLINICAL medicine is at an extremely low level, + because of covid it collapsed (well, that is, because of those like you).
                        And here's the level of hospital medicine - an acquaintance of mine from the United States boasted that with a heart attack, he was immediately given stenting, and a day later he was discharged and he went to work ...
                        My dear person is here - with a heart attack, IMMEDIATELY stenting, then for a day in intensive care under observation, then for 3 weeks in the department, where they treated POSSIBLE consequences and diagnosed ALL blood vessels and the heart, revealed 2 more narrowing of the coronary vessels, gave a quota to Penza, where he underwent another examination of TOTAL and 2 stentings, after which he was given a ticket to a cardio sanatorium in the forest on the bank of the river, which he did not use, because the work ......... all this time he had a paid sick leave. ..... Shl - in the US there is not even such a concept - sick leave.
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: Balu
                  Recovered in a mild form, not vaccinated can get sick again and more severely with a sad outcome.

                  "Maybe" and maybe "Can't." Dualism.
                  1. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 10: 16
                    +1
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNSe8BQ7NU

                    everything has been known for a long time
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: Balu
                  What is characteristic: the majority of anti-axers do not have higher education and they have nothing to lose financially.

                  That's how propaganda doesn't work! To lie with a clear eye and not understand what is happening. What kind of vaccination is there!
                4. Pensive Lawyer
                  Pensive Lawyer 11 November 2021 11: 31
                  +5
                  Quote: Balu
                  [b] "Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity after illness.

                  I also cannot agree. You are confusing immunity and the presence of a "dormant" virus in the body. In fact, when immunity is stronger, research has not been carried out, and now you also spread rumors, like anti-axers - the louder the slogans, the more the herd believes.
                  As well as there is no research on vaccine side effects, therefore it is safe to say. that she's so dangerous - you can't.
                  By the way, you write that people get sick after vaccination - from 1 to 18 percent. Have you ever wondered how this is possible if, according to the manufacturer's website, the virus in the vaccine is not capable of reproduction? The companion - real - is inoculated only in certain circles. According to the good old tradition of Soviet medicine, we are injected with the same covid, but with weakened DNA.
                  Why do I think so? Let's think about it, as you urge.
                  The virus in the vaccine cannot multiply. This means that it cannot be multiplied in, let's say, factory conditions. This is what laboratories do. But we do not have information that our immense laboratories have abandoned everything and are making vaccines. It makes just an enterprise at a factory at the same pace.
                  The virus must be alive. Accordingly, the vaccine has a shelf life and it is extremely sensitive to non-compliance with storage conditions: too cold - the virus will simply die, it is not a bacterium, it has not yet learned how to make a shell for waiting, too warm - the virus will begin to actively move, and without a carrier it will also die ingloriously. In addition, the virus can die of "old age" if the vaccine has not been used for a long time, like all living things, I repeat, it has not yet learned to fall into suspended animation as a bacteria. That is, some of the vaccines are thrown away when the expiration date or storage conditions are violated, which are always in any field of activity (well, or it is injected to us with much less exhaust, which is in the clinics, I personally do not know).
                  Now we put these 2 wonderful logical chains together. We get that now the laboratories are not able to provide the amount of vaccine that we have. Simply because these are not pills that you drink according to dosage and composition, you press and voila, but a virus that needs to be "castrated" and also stick a flagellum from covid so that our immunity remembers the enemy by the flagellum.
                  But vaccines are dofig - we even push it left and right.
                  What's the conclusion? We are vaccinated according to a slightly different principle. The only fast, time-tested method is vaccination with a weakened virus. That is, figuratively speaking, he was "disfigured" in the laboratory, a couple of limbs were cut off, given the opportunity to reproduce, but all subsequent ones will also be ugly and there will be a lack of limbs. This can be done at the factory. And all the complications after vaccination are also explained by this, as well as diseases after vaccination - in some, immunity is so weak that even such a "disabled person" can cause damage.
                  Some people with a higher education, a fairly high level of income and high intelligence (IQ 143, an analytical mindset, critical thinking is most developed, as I was told once when I thought about going to the prosecutor's office and stood in reserve, passing mandatory testing) just because of such inconsistencies.
                  Ours at the top would say - yes, we are injecting weakened, problems are possible, but if you have them from the vaccine, you will die from the original virus - vaccination would go faster. Because it would be clear to everyone and the vaccination would show the very "joke" that most of our citizens expect from the state.
                  1. flicker
                    flicker 11 November 2021 16: 34
                    +3
                    The virus must be alive
                    Most often, an inactivated virus is used for vaccines, i.e. dead.
                    But these are classic vaccines.
                    Among the latter are KoviVak.

                    The satellite, on the other hand, uses an adenovirus that is deprived of the ability to multiply and carries an S-Protein as a vector (a method of penetration into the cells of the body).
                    It is to him that the body's immune response is developed, and not to the coronavirus itself.

                    And how long it can be stored and in what conditions is not clear.
                  2. JD1979
                    JD1979 11 November 2021 16: 43
                    0
                    The factory can produce pots that you wear on your head. To write such nonsense about vaccines in the 21st century ...
                    1. Pensive Lawyer
                      Pensive Lawyer 11 November 2021 18: 40
                      0
                      Go to the satellite manufacturer's website. Everything I write is based on information taken from him. And I consider the satellite as the most widespread vaccine. And I have questions about how to ensure the massiveness of the satellite given the initial data not given by me.
                  3. musketon64
                    musketon64 11 November 2021 16: 55
                    0
                    Here is an interesting article on the mechanism of action of different vaccines.
                    https://cor-22.ru/archives/1011
                  4. alystan
                    alystan 12 November 2021 21: 20
                    0
                    I apologize, you apparently did not take into account the difference between vaccines and vaccines, because there are classic and long-standing positive vaccines and newfangled vaccines, for which even a full complex of creation / testing did not bother to “rush” the struggle for the world vaccine market. Isn't that why the same Ginzburg at least contradicted himself three times - now he has a vaccine period of up to a year, now only six months, or even for life? And this is the scientific director of the Gamaleya Center? And he is awarded a medal for such a beleberd ?!
                5. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 11 November 2021 13: 04
                  +6
                  Quote: Balu
                  Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity after illness.

                  This is what life-giving propaganda does! A commercial, in speed, it may turn out that a hastily welded prosthesis is better and more comfortable than a native leg! lol
                6. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 November 2021 14: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Balu
                  everything is correct. Non-polished media faces should call for vaccinations, this only annoys most people.

                  Here they are not polished .. only they will not be shown on TV ..
                7. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 30
                  0
                  propaganda will not help .. in such cases, only a clear order and harsh punishment work .. and. all
                8. flicker
                  flicker 11 November 2021 15: 41
                  +6
                  Non-polished media faces should call for vaccinations, this only annoys most people.
                  It's true. The tantrums and rudeness of Solovyov and Simonyan are not very impressive.
                  Virologists, geneticists, experts should cover this topic.
                  But they are not allowed to the air (as it seems to me) for one reason: there is no knowledge, professionalism will work.
                  And then nothing will remain of the entire vaccination company. And therefore, Soloviev and Simonyan and others like them remain.
                  Well, for example, an article in which the staff of the Gamaleya center (headed by Ginsburg !!!!!) reports:
                  It is becoming obvious that in the context of increased herd immunity, developed as a result of past disease and vaccination, the number of SARS-CoV-2 variants with mutations in RBD and S-protein will rapidly increase.
                  https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/779

                  For example, the mutated Delta strain has caused confusion in the vaccine ranks, since all vaccines almost halve their effectiveness.
                  And judging by what the Gamaleeans report, these mutations will be will rapidly increase
                  This means that the effectiveness of vaccination will fall rapidly.
                  And then the opposite: the same Ginsburg calls for the introduction of mandatory vaccination.
                  ---
                  This is followed by the strengthening of compulsory vaccination, followed by the growth of diseases, then again groans that it is necessary to vaccinate more.
                  ---
                  Or maybe as in that joke, "girls need to be changed"
                  It may be necessary to change the methods of dealing with coronavirus - to treat and not be vaccinated.
                  1. Lord_Raven
                    Lord_Raven 11 November 2021 17: 40
                    0
                    Quote: flicker
                    increase herd immunity

                    My friend, do you really believe that doctors will use the term "herd immunity" in relation to the human population? Are you seriously?
                    1. flicker
                      flicker 11 November 2021 22: 19
                      +1
                      doctors will use the term herd immunity
                      The text has been copied. The site is listed, you can go. Next, open the full text, chapter 4 discussion, paragraph 10 or 11.
                      You can view.
                9. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: Balu
                  Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity after illness.

                  This is something new in virology! lol
                  Are you sure a doctor? Immunity after illness is ALWAYS stronger than immunity from vaccination. This is an axiom.
                  And academicians Zverev and Chuchalin think the same.
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 11 November 2021 17: 55
                    -5
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: Balu
                    Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity after illness.

                    This is something new in virology! lol
                    Are you sure a doctor? Immunity after illness is ALWAYS stronger than immunity from vaccination. This is an axiom.
                    And academicians Zverev and Chuchalin think the same.

                    In covid ICU, you will have time to reflect before intubation
              3. Overlock
                Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 20
                +3
                Quote: Civil
                It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination, and there is no need to be afraid of the reaction of the people - they will silently accept and not swallow that. Our people are patient.

                "Dreams nourish our soul, just as food nourishes the body."
                Would rather! Maybe then the people will pick up a pitchfork.
              4. AUL
                AUL 11 November 2021 10: 48
                +12
                Quote: Civil
                3. And they die en masse, especially over 65 years of age (85% of the deceased). In this age category - the overwhelming majority of old women, by the way, they are the main striking force of anti-axers.

                But here not everything is so flat and primitive!
                My wife and I (both over 73 years old) went to get vaccinated. Get injected. My arm only ached for a couple of days, but my wife was quite disassembled. All the old sores have surfaced. Well, in a month it was a little let go - we went to do the second vaccination. The hospital said that the first was difficult, we were referred to a therapist. He examined us, said that it was impossible to vaccinate with such sores, it was necessary to cure them within a month (the second vaccination could wait another month), prescribed a bunch of pills to each and let go with God. That is, what has not been cured over the past 30 - 40 years, had to be eradicated in a month. How do you like that?
                A month later they came, and, without asking the therapist, they injected. Again, nothing to me, but my wife was so lucky that the third month literally barely walks, all the old sores played out.
                So do not sin on the old ladies - they are not so wrong!
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 33
                  -6
                  those. of all the irons about "if you are sick, consult a therapist" have not heard?
              5. New Year day
                New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 21
                +2
                Quote: Civil
                ... "Antivaxing" is a cowardly protest first of all. Both sides are to blame, both the state by its inconsistency and deceit, and the masses who were vouchsafed for such a passive version of the protest.
                2. The infantile majority chose the tactic "to spite my grandmother, I will freeze my nose", "when I die, you will know how not to love me."
                3. And they die en masse, especially over 65 years of age (85% of the deceased). In this age category - the overwhelming majority of old women, by the way, they are the main striking force of anti-axers.
                4. It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination, and there is no need to be afraid of the reaction of the people - they will silently accept and not swallow that. Our people are patient.

                And to all anti-axers greetings from Vysotsky:


                What nonsense
              6. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 11 November 2021 11: 24
                +17
                Quote: Civil
                ... It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination

                For a start, select factories for the production of panacea. The husband of Mrs. Nolikova. The second step is to check any Ginzburgs and Sobyanins. For personal interest. But then advocate for vaccination. And then ... When the main manufacturer of the panacea and the main fighter against the sore is the husband and wife ... There are vague doubts that they should be killed by the virus. It's just that the budget is being developed. Senseless and merciless.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 November 2021 11: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Quote: Civil
                  ... It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination

                  For a start, select factories for the production of panacea. The husband of Mrs. Nolikova. The second step is to check any Ginzburgs and Sobyanins. For personal interest. But then advocate for vaccination. And then ... When the main manufacturer of the panacea and the main fighter against the sore is the husband and wife ... There are vague doubts that they should be killed by the virus. It's just that the budget is being developed. Senseless and merciless.

                  It just infuriates me ... how people do not understand simple truths ... everything is on the face, everything is so obvious .. hi love
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 11 November 2021 15: 03
                  -3
                  In this case, they would supply the vaccine to 70 countries and receive much more money from this than from domestic sales. The reality is different, the virus is, it kills, and most of the population does not want to be vaccinated, moreover, they don’t even want to wear masks, and they don’t even wash their hands after the street - who’s what produces the vaccine whose husband, son, father, wife for you and the rest should be on the second and third plan to stay.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 17: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    In this case, they would supply the vaccine to 70 countries and receive much more money from this than from domestic sales.

                    What are you? And to which world do most of these countries belong? Isn't it to the third? And how many of these countries have already given up on this freebie? How many of them have published statistics according to which our vaccine has the highest percentage of side effects?
              7. Antonina Ignatenko
                Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 11: 58
                +12
                Yes, good to lie! Power and without you copes with this perfectly. In January 2021 in the UK (then it was still possible to print the truth that questioned the effectiveness of vaccination) published data according to which 30% who were lying with covid in the first wave (March-April 2020) were again in hospitals in the fall-winter of 2020! That is, even in severely ill patients, practically no immunity was developed. And this fully confirms what all virologists knew about coronaviruses a long time ago: immunity lasts a couple of months, is very weak and does not give any guarantees. Therefore, the vaccine, of course, could be made for the collection, but the emphasis should have been immediately put on the development of drugs and the expansion of beds (normal, not stadiums with plastic partitions, where there are no doctors, no drugs, and one toilet for 200 people!) But then it is necessary to admit the fallacy of health care optimization and give the most complete reverse gear in this regard. Moreover, throughout the developed world (optimization all these years went on in Europe). But for some reason, they continue to push for non-working vaccinations. What for? Are they pulling out time so that as many old and sick people as possible die? Then it all fits together.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 November 2021 15: 34
                  -7
                  "normal beds", yeah, and it is also desirable to have personal beds for 1 person in rooms .. with a jacuzzi and a personal massage therapist
              8. Svarog
                Svarog 11 November 2021 14: 39
                +1
                "
                Anti-pacting "is a cowardly protest above all

                Vadim, good afternoon!
                I respect your position in relation to power. But here you are wrong.
                Russia is a colony of the west. At least all liberal officials. Look at the facts, no emotion:
                -WHO - whatever I recommend, everything is under the auspices .. WHO, since Bill Gates began to invest in pharmaceuticals, is essentially his pocket organization. As you remember, Gates warned long before the coronavirus that the world was waiting for an epidemic and he began to shout exactly when he became an investor in the pharmaceutical business.
                IMF - whatever would recommend, everything is being carried out.
                There is an opinion, many respected and pundits .. that the world is changing and globalists are now trying to erase nation states with the help of a virus and move to a new feudal system, where the heads of corporations will rule the world .. They still rule .. But so far informally.
                Watch this video .. and there are tons of similar ones, watch it to the end.
              9. Roma 1977
                Roma 1977 12 November 2021 10: 12
                0
                Eck you got a minus. And in the Middle Ages, they would have been burned at all! ..
              10. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 12 November 2021 15: 42
                -1
                And most of the population, as the main driver of the madness happening in the country, will continue to look for new justifications for their primordially democratic slogan “my body is my business”.
                Once upon a time, everyone laughed very cheerfully and infectiously at the ukroskakunami who were eager to "go to Europe."
                And now, with great sadness, chagrin and surprise (how many there are!) I watch the Russian anti-axers. They also really want, but not to Europe, but ... to the next world! They also say that Russians and Ukrainians are not brothers. Brothers! Rosantivaxers ничем do not differ from ukroskakunov in mental abilities!
              11. Klingon
                Klingon 12 November 2021 16: 29
                0
                Quote: ban
                And with the vaccine you, excuse me, are you introducing? Aren't the strains of the virus accidental?
                I have all the vaccinated acquaintances who are ill, some are easy, some are hard ...

                And there are 70% of people like you "Bans" in the country, that's why everything is so sad. Here is evolution and brought you its Ban, it's just that this gene will die out and Covid is a natural Ban tool wassat
              12. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 12 November 2021 18: 32
                0
                ... It is necessary to introduce compulsory vaccination, and there is no need to be afraid of the reaction of the people - they will silently accept and not swallow that. Our people are patient

                Considering that, as you put it, there are more than half of the population of "anti-axers" in our country (with a very high percentage of opponents of vaccination among medical workers), do you deny rationality and conscientiousness to the majority of the country's population? But what about democracy, freedom of speech and choice and so on ??? Simply, without unnecessary verbiage, explain how the opponents of vaccination cause the "righteous" anger of your kind? Even without a specialized medical education, basic school and common sense is quite enough, it is obvious that by refusing to vaccinate an unvaccinated person risks only his own health and his life, as well as, to some extent, the health and life of the "anti-axers" like him. If the vaccine is really as effective as it is claimed, then by being vaccinated you protect yourself 100% (at least from the severe course of the disease). Well, good health, vaccinate yourself and protect yourself, why force the "irresponsible". I do not urge anyone not to be vaccinated, but I do not want, in turn, to be forced to risk my health and life.
                PS Regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine - three weeks ago my cousin, born in 80, died with 1975% of lung damage in a hospital under mechanical ventilation. and this did not increase the desire to be grafted among my relatives and friends ...
              13. Diverter
                Diverter 13 November 2021 20: 03
                0
                "Vaccination is a way to cleanse society of the old, the sick, the cowardly and the stupid."

                In the future, it will be about finding a way to reduce the population. Let's start with the old ones, because as soon as they exceed 60-65 years old, it starts to cost society dearly. Then the weak, useless, who do not bring anything to society, because there will be more and more of them, and especially, finally, stupid. Euthanasia targets these groups; euthanasia should be an important tool for our future societies, in all cases. Of course, we will not be able to execute everyone, all these people, or drive them into camps.

                ... We will get rid of them by making them believe that all this is for their own good. Waste overpopulation is something that is economically too expensive. Also, socially, it is much better for the human machine to stop abruptly rather than gradually. We also obviously won't be able to test millions and millions of people for intelligence. Therefore, we will create or provoke a pandemic aimed at specific people, a real economic crisis, a virus that infects the old and the fat, and no matter what the same - and the weak will succumb to it, and the frightened and stupid will believe in it, and will allow us, and there will be more. ask us to treat them with our drugs. And we will make sure that the treatment is available and provided - and that our treatment will be the solution.



                ... The selection of idiots will happen on their own and they, happy, will go to the slaughter by themselves. "(C) [The future of life - Jacques Attali, 1981] Interview with Michel Solomon, collection Les Visages de l'avenir, éditions Seghers.

                PS

                The idea that vaccination and everything connected with it is more and more often comes to me as a kind of test of humanity for strength, someone seems to be exploring our minds, cohesion ... All information is on the surface, you just need to do the right conclusions. Who will behave like a sheep and who will be conscious? Who will surrender, having lost their will and courage, and who will remain a Human?
              14. nemez
                nemez 17 November 2021 10: 12
                0
                In all the points, you yourself described the rumors. As far as I know, people from 60 are mostly vaccinated. And when vaccinated without testing immunity, and even with an untested drug, here is the mortality.
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2021 07: 56
              +6
              I was "lucky", you might say. In March, I had a mild case of the "crown", and in the summer I got vaccinated. Realizing that I already have antibodies anyway, so it won't get any worse.
              Now I feel fine, but I watch with bitterness how the virus "decimates" my acquaintances. Some are easier, some are more serious. They "slipped through" the first waves and now they got a full "bouquet".
            3. Woodman
              Woodman 11 November 2021 08: 26
              0
              Quote: Svarog
              for 14 days with payment of compensation to the population?

              Introduced already. Remember self-isolation? A normal employer paid for it. At least partially. Then he received some kind of compensation from the state. Not normal ... This is all, for sure, the laws are spelled out. Only we don’t know the laws, and we don’t like to sue.
              Quote: Svarog
              Why is the increase in the incidence even higher in countries where the proportion of vaccinated people is significantly higher than in Russia?

              So maybe our vaccine is still better? And our medicine is not so bad despite all the optimizations?
              Quote: Svarog
              Why neither the vaccine manufacturer nor the authorities want to take responsibility for the person in case of complications from the vaccine?

              How is this expressed? Refuse to treat in case of complications? Or something else?
              Quote: Svarog
              Why are they forced to "voluntarily" inject?

              I think "voluntariness" will soon become a thing of the past. Just yesterday in Russia-24 I heard arguments that MANDATORY vaccination does not contradict the Constitution.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 11 November 2021 08: 49
                -7
                Quote: Lesovik
                I think "voluntariness" will soon become a thing of the past.

                Plus to this, criminal cases are already being initiated for promoting the refusal of vaccination. I think we will come to pay for treatment for covid with an "ideological" refusal of vaccination, which, probably, would be quite reasonable and fair.
                1. Civil
                  Civil 11 November 2021 09: 01
                  -7
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  I think "voluntariness" will soon become a thing of the past.

                  Plus to this, criminal cases are already being initiated for promoting the refusal of vaccination. I think we will come to pay for treatment for covid with an "ideological" refusal of vaccination, which, probably, would be quite reasonable and fair.

                  I would extend this practice to all types of vaccination.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 11 November 2021 09: 04
                    -4
                    Quote: Civil
                    I would extend this practice to all types of vaccination.

                    I agree ...
                  2. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 10: 19
                    0
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNSe8BQ7NU посмотрите чего вы хотите
                  3. New Year day
                    New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: Civil
                    I would extend this practice to all types of vaccination.

                    Then take you to China
                    1. Antonina Ignatenko
                      Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 12: 04
                      +2
                      No, in China, they are not corrupt in medical structures ... They understand that the immune system cannot be overloaded. Even the practice that existed in the USSR was very risky. Only specialists knew about autoimmune diseases forty years ago, and today the body pretty often attacks itself. You know, dressage horses have such a problem: they know so many varied gaits that at some point they can no longer just run on their own, their legs are braided. Without a rider to instruct them on how to move these legs, they will injure themselves. So it is with these countless vaccinations.
                      1. Civil
                        Civil 11 November 2021 14: 11
                        -7
                        Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
                        No, in China, they are not corrupt in medical structures ... They understand that the immune system cannot be overloaded. Even the practice that existed in the USSR was very risky. Only specialists knew about autoimmune diseases forty years ago, and today the body pretty often attacks itself. You know, dressage horses have such a problem: they know so many varied gaits that at some point they can no longer just run on their own, their legs are braided. Without a rider to instruct them on how to move these legs, they will injure themselves. So it is with these countless vaccinations.

                        Yes Yes. he immunity is just like a horse ... that is, the biology of complex processes of human immunity can be compared with the training of a horse ... all microbiologists must be sent to circus schools or to zootechnicians of hippodromes ...
                        This is what we are talking about - the primitivization of thinking. Why learn to program, write commands for a computer - I taught a horse the command "stop".
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 November 2021 10: 30
                  -6
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I think we will come to pay for treatment for covid with an "ideological" refusal of vaccination, which, probably, would be quite reasonable and fair.

                  Yes, it would be better to have already done so than to nightmare people .. Anyway, they cannot heal ..
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 11 November 2021 12: 02
                    -3
                    Quote: Svarog
                    They can't heal anyway ..

                    Do you, as a father with many children, treat your children with conspiracies, or do they not get sick with you?
                    1. unaha
                      unaha 11 November 2021 15: 24
                      +2
                      As a father with many children, I spend a lot of money on private doctors literally from birth (more precisely, even to that) and prevention. Partly helped by a partially paid VHI provided by the company. Occasionally you have to contact the state. medicine and, as a rule, the experience is not inspiring.
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 11 November 2021 20: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: unaha
                        I, as a father with many children, spend very substantial money on private doctors

                        I am glad for your well-being and for the company that VHI pays for you. But I will note that I, in fact, did not contact you.
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 11 November 2021 18: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: Svarog
                    They can't heal anyway ..

                    Why can't they?
                    Two weeks ago I twisted my leg and dragged myself to the hospital. The therapist referred to the traumatologist (everything is fine, strong sprain) and then did the test. The result is positive. And I didn't even feel that I was sick. Prescribed medicine - hold on tight - ARBIDOL !!! I did not drink it because of its unknown, began to eat arpiflu. Yesterday I passed the test again, the result is negative. Miracles, and nothing more. request
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 11 November 2021 19: 12
                      +3
                      Quote: Alf
                      Prescribed medicine - hold on tight - ARBIDOL !!!

                      Well, everyone knows who is behind arbidol .. it is also behind vaccination .. but somehow it does not reach many, probably from fear ..
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 11 November 2021 19: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: Svarog
                        but somehow it does not reach many, probably from fear ..

                        30 years of brainwashing has worked.
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 27
                  +10
                  Quote: Hagen
                  which, probably, would be quite reasonable and fair.

                  Then a legitimate and fair question arises - why should people pay taxes to the state? They got the money, they took away the right to life, but they don't want to work. It turns out that Zh. Alferov is right- "Why then such a state to me?"
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 11 November 2021 12: 00
                    -8
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Then a legitimate and fair question arises - why should people pay taxes to the state?

                    Taxes are needed so that, among other things, sane people who are able to distinguish a healthy element from a parasitic one and create conditions under which this parasitic does not burden the life of a healthy one, run the state.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 11 November 2021 12: 20
                      +11
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Taxes are needed to, among other things, govern the state

                      Sorry, but taxes are collected regardless of the level of mental development. Besides, why are you sure that managers
                      Quote: Hagen
                      sane people,

                      List their breakthroughs and accomplishments.
                      I can remind you: got off the oil needle, 25 million new jobs, housing affordability, pension reform, health care optimization
                  2. Pensive Lawyer
                    Pensive Lawyer 11 November 2021 15: 44
                    +2
                    The question is neither legitimate nor fair. The state in this case would ensure the triumph of rights and freedoms. After all, responsibility for the decisions made goes hand in hand. And so to refuse vaccination, and to be treated as well as vaccinated - is this not discrimination against those already vaccinated?
                    And taxes are not paid for treatment. Let me remind you, Sylvester, that medicine in most countries is paid everywhere. This is especially true for "progressive" countries. And no one is outraged.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 11 November 2021 17: 45
                      -3
                      Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                      The question is neither legitimate nor fair.

                      I'll tell you a secret, on this thread, like other similar general political ones, in VO legality is not welcomed. And justice is interpreted in a very peculiar way. Mister Sylvester, by the way, is himself a physician, although he carries nonsense no worse than a loader. In general, this resource is more like a club of those offended by the state and personally by Putin. Although I think you can see it yourself wink
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 11 November 2021 18: 37
                      +4
                      Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                      and refuse to vaccinate, and be treated the same way as vaccinated - is this not discrimination against already vaccinated

                      Which law is it written in? Read the constitution though, lawyer
                      Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                      Let me remind you, Sylvester, that medicine in most countries is paid everywhere. This is especially true for "progressive" countries.

                      Would you like to compare, in this case, the incomes in these countries with ours?
                      It turns out somehow strange, if we introduce something monetary, then we remember the West, but at the same time we forget the level of life and income there. Uncleanly
                      1. Pensive Lawyer
                        Pensive Lawyer 13 November 2021 14: 31
                        -3
                        I'm not talking about the law, but about the fact that it would be nice to introduce this, as well as on many other issues. Our populace are a little snuffed up in terms of health care and are accustomed to the fact that you can do anything, they wipe and shove all their saliva, like in summer, in a spoon.
                        Why pump out failed suicides? This is their right, which liberal leaders and fighters against regimes like you, among other things, defend. To put him to sleep so that he does not suffer, his right to dispose of life, let him not occupy a bed, on which there may be another who wants to live.
                        Analogously with vaccines - refused? Your right. But you will be paid for treatment. Decision and consequences. This is called being accountable for your actions. And your position - I will cut my hand and yell "treat!"
                        Pay taxes so that the likelihood that you, Sylvester, will be stabbed to death at the entrance to the house, was minimal. Law and order taxes. The army. And if you live in another country - there is no need to ask why we pay taxes, without strangers we will figure it out, besides, such unpleasant ones.
                        And go ahead, compare income. In real terms, and not in dollar terms, because the currency does not reflect reality. The difference will not be as significant.

                        Pissed off. The entire site for 3 years has slipped into the haven of whiners, translating any news, any event on Putin / taxes / as cool over the hill (you know who I'm hinting at). Go if you have brains, it's not a lot of money. And if there is no brain to make money even on the move, such successful guys are neither they, nor, with this whining, we do not need.
                        This is my last comment on this site, stupidity is really endless, like the universe. Cry into each other's collars and curse the authorities further, no one will notice you anyway, since you are not capable of speaking with the authorities, or even organizing a rally in support of your ideas without causing riots.
                      2. Diverter
                        Diverter 15 November 2021 20: 22
                        +1
                        can you show / give a link and so on to documents that will clearly show the passage of vaccines ALL RESEARCH AND TESTS ???
                        you can not? And where is the guarantee that you will have to be treated? Where is the guarantee that in a year you will not become disabled?
                        That's about it.
                4. Garris199
                  Garris199 12 November 2021 23: 10
                  +1
                  Then, instead of taxes, I will send my dirty panties to the state.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 13 November 2021 07: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Garris199
                    Then, instead of taxes, I will send my dirty panties to the state.

                    Human stupidity has no limits. Send ... Do you want to make peace with the state, who has the longer? laughing The flag is in your hands ... The state, it is not only smarter, but also stronger, will take from you everything that is due from you. And you will persist, it will simply crush you. wassat So send .... whatever you want. I am neither for nor against. I'm just stating the balance of power.
                    1. Garris199
                      Garris199 13 November 2021 12: 53
                      0
                      I will simply go into the shadows and the whole business and the state will not be able to do anything about it, because the mind at the helmsmen (sharpened only for stealing and sawing) is not enough.
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 13 November 2021 13: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Garris199
                        I will simply go into the shadows and the whole business and the state will not be able to do anything about it

                        You want to undermine the state, which at the very least, but so far effectively protects you personally from those external forces that are hindered by your physical presence on earth. Maybe, of course, it goes well with your moral principles of survival ... God is your judge ... But personally, I do not see this as something to be proud of. Traitors are despised by both their own and others.
                      2. Garris199
                        Garris199 13 November 2021 23: 23
                        0
                        So far, I am only watching how the state wants to undermine me by plundering my taxes on the aquadiskotheque. And I am being treated, for example, for my own, maybe there is no money left for normal treatment, respectively, after the state drank. So dirty cowards for this state. Let them be sawed.
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 14 November 2021 09: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Garris199
                        So far, I am only watching how the state wants to undermine me by plundering my taxes on the aquadiskotheque. And I am being treated, for example, for my own, maybe there is no money left for normal treatment, respectively, after the state drank.

                        I cannot judge what you observe and how you are being treated, then all your statements will remain on your conscience. But I do not see additional refrigerators at the morgues, and the country's critics are "silent" about this. In general, this suggests that the population is dying at a rate not much higher than the dock times. In addition, observing how people periodically leave for "sick leave" and then return to the workplace without any special additional emotions, we can conclude that the medical community within the framework of the compulsory medical insurance (we do not have enterprises or institutions on the territory that pay their employees VHI, Therefore, we only charge for teeth prosthetics, and then there are programs of free shares of the stomatological clinic), as before, it provides medical care in the required volume and with traditional quality, which I am not trying to judge as a layman. From everything I can conclude that life goes on as usual, despite the abundant tears of some "dissatisfied". I think sometimes the sobs of "professional mourners" are possible ...
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 28
                +9
                Quote: Lesovik
                So maybe our vaccine is still better? And our medicine is not so bad despite all the optimizations?

                Well, it's simple! For the first, openness is needed, and not the talking head of Gintsburg, who is pretty tired, and Tereshkova will not work either.
                For the second, go to a regular clinic and see everything for yourself.
                Quote: Lesovik
                that MANDATORY vaccination is not contrary to the Constitution.

                And we have a constitution in the toilet for a long time.
              3. Svarog
                Svarog 11 November 2021 10: 29
                +13
                Introduced already. Remember self-isolation? A normal employer paid for it.

                Normal employers can be listed on the fingers and they will all be Western offices .. because only they strictly comply with all laws. Therefore, it was complete nonsense and not quarantine. And there was no such mortality. Because they did not inject the vaccine to everyone in a row, they did not reduce immunity during a pandemic.
                I would understand if they forced people at risk to be vaccinated, and even the authorities and the manufacturer would take material responsibility in case of uselessness or complications from vaccination. A vaccinated patient died from covid, pay compensation, died after complications from a vaccine pay compensation ... YOU are sure of the quality of the vaccine .. so what's the problem?
                Why is the increase in the incidence even higher in countries where the proportion of vaccinated people is significantly higher than in Russia?

                So maybe our vaccine is still better? And our medicine is not so bad despite all the optimizations?

                What does our vaccine have to do with the increase in morbidity where there is a large proportion of those vaccinated .. We began to vaccinate and mortality went up the hill .. That our vaccines, that imported ones are equally ineffective .. and to a greater extent, and harmful (in my opinion) because reduce immunity during a pandemic.
                How is this expressed? Refuse to treat in case of complications? Or something else?

                Above answered .. let the material compensation be paid, in cases where the patient died despite the fact that he was vaccinated .. or after complications from the vaccine.

                I think "voluntariness" will soon become a thing of the past. Just yesterday in Russia-24 I heard arguments that MANDATORY vaccination does not contradict the Constitution.

                Fascism in action ... I believe that the state will perish in three years ... and bury it, just those administrators who decided to establish a concentration camp here ...
                then MANDATORY vaccination is not contrary to the Constitution.

                What other constitution is there in the country of lawlessness? HER constitution was turned into a piece of paper .. and turned the guarantor.
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 11 November 2021 10: 44
                  -6
                  Quote: Svarog
                  and they will all be western offices ..

                  My employer is 100% domestic. I paid. So here you are no longer right.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Vaccinated patient died of covid, pay compensation,

                  If compensation is SO important to someone, you can simply go and insure your life. Moreover, for any amount, and not for the one that will be set by the state.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Above answered ..
                  This is not an answer, this is nonsense.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  We began to vaccinate and mortality went up the hill ..

                  And also Russia came out on the second place in the world in the number of tests for the corona.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Fascism in action ..

                  Such "fascism" from the first days of life, when they vaccinate everyone without exception.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 31
                    +10
                    Quote: Lesovik
                    If compensation is SO important to someone, you can simply go and insure your life

                    The state should insure, since it is it that:
                    1. Applies an experimental product
                    2. Introduces it into the body of a citizen of the country
                    3. Makes him sign "voluntarily agree", thereby emphasizing experimentation and lack of security guarantees
                    4. A merchant will not insure without paid. Banquet at whose expense?
                    1. Woodman
                      Woodman 11 November 2021 11: 48
                      -6
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      The state should insure, since

                      Let's point by point.
                      1. Where is the "experimental" mark in the name of the vaccines?
                      2. How else do you imagine vaccination? From any other disease.
                      3. There is not a word in this agreement that the state is not responsible for the consequences of vaccination.
                      4. If you expect to receive insurance after vaccination, then the amount of this insurance will be limited solely by the capabilities of your wallet. Otherwise, every, EVERY medical facility will be inundated with claims for compensation, regardless of the real cause of complications or deaths. And you, as a "health worker", cannot fail to understand this.
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 11 November 2021 13: 04
                        +4
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Let's point by point.

                        Quote: Lesovik
                        1. Where is the "experimental" mark in the name of the vaccines?



                        Quote: Lesovik
                        2. How else do you imagine vaccination? From any other disease.

                        In accordance with Part 4 of Art. 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, generally recognized principles and norms of international law are an integral part of its legal system.

                        According to Part 1 of Art. 17 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen are recognized and guaranteed in accordance with the generally recognized principles and norms of international law and in accordance with this Constitution.

                        Based on Part 1 of Art. 55 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the enumeration in the Constitution of the Russian Federation of fundamental rights and freedoms should not be interpreted as a denial or diminution of other universally recognized human and civil rights and freedoms. This may also apply to those rights and freedoms that are enshrined in conventions to which Russia does not participate.

                        Part 2 is also important. 21 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, according to which no one can be subjected to medical, scientific or other experiments without voluntary consent. This becomes especially important in cases where vaccine trials are not fully carried out.
                        Federal Law of 17.09.1998 N 157-FZ (as amended on 02.07.2021) "On immunization of infectious diseases"
                        Article 5. Rights and obligations of citizens in the implementation of immunization
                        1. Citizens in the implementation of immunization have the right to:
                        obtaining from medical workers complete and objective information about the need for preventive vaccinations, the consequences of refusing them, possible post-vaccination complications;
                        medical examination and, if necessary, medical examination before prophylactic vaccinations, obtaining medical care in medical organizations in the event of post-vaccination complications within the framework of the program of state guarantees of free provision of medical care to citizens
                        3. When carrying out immunoprophylaxis, citizens are obliged:
                        follow the instructions of medical professionals;
                        in writing confirm a refusal from preventive vaccinations.
                        p.p. 7.3.1 and 7.3.2 of Resolution No. 2361 (2021) of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) “Covid-19 vaccines: ethical, legal and practical aspects”. Text adopted by the Assembly on January 27, 2021.
                        In accordance with these paragraphs, the Assembly urges the Member States and the European Union to:
                        - ensure that citizens are informed that vaccination is not compulsory and that no one is subjected to political, social or other pressure to vaccinate themselves if they do not want to do it themselves;
                        - to ensure that no one is discriminated against for not being vaccinated because of possible health risks or unwillingness to get vaccinated.
                        Russia is a member of the Council of Europe.

                        Quote: Lesovik
                        3. There is not a word in this agreement that the state is not responsible for the consequences of vaccination.

                        And it should be - the state is responsible for the activities it carries out

                        Quote: Lesovik
                        4. If you expect to receive insurance after vaccination, then the amount of this insurance will be limited solely by the capabilities of your wallet. Otherwise, every, EVERY medical facility will be inundated with claims for compensation, regardless of the real cause of complications or deaths.

                        Now no one can get government guarantees in case of complications or death after vaccination. Moreover, physicians who have contracted the corona while performing their professional duties and their relatives who have lost loved ones in the fight against covid are forced to prove in court a causal relationship between the fulfillment of their professional duties and illness / death.
                        Claims should not be in a health facility, but in the courts, since no health facility can be responsible for the treatment of covid, except for examples of negligence. Who was responsible for the power outage in the intensive care unit of Rostov-on-Don? - Nobody.
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        And you, as a "health worker", cannot fail to understand this.

                        that's why i understand
                      2. Woodman
                        Woodman 11 November 2021 13: 23
                        -7
                        1. You don’t throw me screenshots from the news feed (no date, by the way), but something that even remotely resembles a document where the vaccine is currently considered experimental. And the fact that you love the pictures, I remember so well.
                        2. All these provisions in no way negate the fact that any vaccine enters the human body exclusively by this method:
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Introduces it into the body of a citizen of the country

                        Quote: Silvestr
                        And it should be - the state is responsible for the activities it carries out

                        Excuse me, I just don't know: where and when did the state offer such a document for signing? With guarantees? When performing mass medical procedures? Name any country and century. Only so that you can check without pictures.
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        that's why i understand

                        So you understand this too
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        EVERY medical facility will be inundated with claims for compensation, REGARDLESS of the real cause of complications or deaths.
                        And you still propose to ditch the healthcare system by overloading it with empty trials.
                      3. New Year day
                        New Year day 11 November 2021 18: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        You don't give me screenshots from the news feed (no date, by the way)

                        Those. Murashko is not your authority. Then show me the results of 3 stages of clinical trials.
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        All these provisions do not in any way negate the fact that any vaccine is ingested

                        Vaccine vaccine strife. There is no such controversy about ADS or DTP, for example
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Excuse me, I just don't know: where and when did the state offer such a document for signing?

                        The state proposes / forces to sign "voluntarily agree". Got it? Voluntarily on pain of dismissal, restriction of rights. So after all, in Auschwitz, too, they voluntarily went into the oven at gunpoint. How does the vending machine differ from the prohibition of purchasing products without a code? This already exists in the regions Exodus in both cases is the same - death
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        And you still propose to ditch the healthcare system by overloading it with empty trials.

                        You cannot ditch what is ditched. I repeat once again - suing hospitals is futile, prove nothing
                  2. Svarog
                    Svarog 11 November 2021 11: 39
                    +9
                    Vaccinated patient died of covid, pay compensation,

                    If compensation is SO important to someone, you can simply go and insure your life. Moreover, for any amount, and not for the one that will be set by the state.

                    Are you out of your mind? Will I also be insured at my own expense? .. The manufacturer does not assume any responsibility, but should I take this responsibility for it? You have become completely insolent .. And your employer.
                    We began to vaccinate and mortality went up the hill ..

                    And also Russia came out on the second place in the world in the number of tests for the corona.

                    Russia has long been in the first place .. only in a negative sense .. How accurate tests are .. do not tell me?
                    1. Woodman
                      Woodman 11 November 2021 11: 56
                      -8
                      Quote: Svarog
                      The manufacturer assumes no responsibility,

                      Where did you find at least a verbal manufacturer's disclaimer? Or have you already completely "lost the coast" in your conjectures?
                      Quote: Svarog
                      Are you out of your mind? Will I also be insured at my own expense? ..

                      Nobody forces you to either insure, or get vaccinated (yet), or write nonsense.
                      Quote: Svarog
                      Russia has long been in the first place ... only in a negative sense.

                      No other reaction was expected from you. I remember that I already said that you, in principle, are not in a position to say a single kind word about Russia. You were indignant then, but could not refute it.
                      Quote: Svarog
                      The tests are how accurate .. do not tell me?

                      And how, then, is it determined from what a person died? After all, on the basis of these very definitions, you claim that "mortality has gone up the hill .." Or do you "here I believe in tests, here I do not believe in tests"?
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 November 2021 12: 01
                        +4
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Where did you find at least a verbal manufacturer's disclaimer? Or have you already completely "lost the coast" in your conjectures?

                        You lost Berg .. and it’s clear that you didn’t get vaccinated either .. or you didn’t read the paper when the muck was injected ..
                        Are you out of your mind? Will I also be insured at my own expense? ..

                        Nobody forces you to either insure, or get vaccinated (yet), or write nonsense.

                        As it is not forced .. the vaccine is already working on your mental potential ..
                        On this I say goodbye .. because communicating with a guardian who cannot answer any question is useless and tiring.
                      2. Woodman
                        Woodman 11 November 2021 12: 27
                        -6
                        Quote: Svarog
                        and it is clear that they were not vaccinated

                        In August. Satellite Light. And I read the paper. I even photographed that in the event of a discussion on this topic there was an opportunity to refresh the memory. But your knowledge of such paper seems to be based only on the opinion of anti-vaccine users from social networks. And not on personal impressions of what you read.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        the vaccine is already working on your mental potential ..

                        So you just wrote that I was not vaccinated. Your logic is somehow lame.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        .or communication with the guardian,

                        Well, the shortcuts went into action. You still call me the enemy of the communists, as your like-minded person.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 17: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        In August. Sputnik Light

                        How did you do it? After all, Sputnik Light seems to be injected only during revaccination? belay
                      4. Woodman
                        Woodman 11 November 2021 18: 40
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        After all, Sputnik Light seems to be injected only during revaccination?

                        As someone who had been ill 6 months before vaccination and who had a certain amount of antibodies (the employer paid for the test the day before), the doctor suggested making a Light. I agreed.
                    2. Nastia makarova
                      Nastia makarova 11 November 2021 12: 32
                      +6
                      tests are accurate 50 to 50
                2. Antonina Ignatenko
                  Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 12: 14
                  +10
                  The funny thing is that these managers are digging their own graves with their own hands. The globalists are imposing vaccination on them, which for those who can somehow collect and process information on their own looks questionable even today. Can you imagine what will happen to the people when it is publicly announced that it is not only useless, but also harmful? The United States has already changed its shoes in the air once, admitting that covid is a laboratory product. Europe and Great Britain are especially carefully preparing for a social explosion, and the shortage of food has already been organized. Now the national authorities are doing their best, cheating the people, and a month later - "bang!" - headlines all over the "free press": "the vaccine kills more often than it saves!" What will happen in the EU? - That's right, the same as in 1991 in the USSR. This whole pandemic is a way to destroy the remnants of the political independence of Western Europe, and of Russia, if possible.
                3. Lord_Raven
                  Lord_Raven 11 November 2021 17: 51
                  -3
                  Quote: Svarog
                  What does our vaccine have to do with it, the increase in the incidence is greater where there is a large proportion of those vaccinated.

                  In Denmark, where more than 70% of the adult population is vaccinated, restrictions began to be lifted from the end of September. The situation is similar in Sweden.
                  Here is proof https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/10/16/koronavirus-teper-ne-ugroza-dlia-obshchestva
                  "Congratulations, citizen, you lied."
              4. unaha
                unaha 11 November 2021 15: 26
                +3
                Quote: Lesovik
                I heard arguments that MANDATORY vaccination does not contradict the Constitution

                Yes, nothing seems to contradict her at all, just as it will not help.
              5. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 17: 13
                +1
                Quote: Lesovik
                A normal employer paid for it. At least partially. Then he received some kind of compensation from the state.

                Could you tell me who you gave these compensations to?
              6. Alf
                Alf 11 November 2021 18: 07
                +5
                Quote: Lesovik
                MANDATORY vaccination is not contrary to the Constitution.

                And the articles of the Constitution confirming this, were they called? There is a mention there, but with a postscript, in the case of the introduction of emergency and Quarantine modes. In which province of Russia are these regimes introduced?
              7. flicker
                flicker 11 November 2021 22: 37
                +1
                MANDATORY vaccination is not contrary to the Constitution.
                If it is included in the national immunization schedule.
                But the coronavirus vaccine was not included in the national calendar.
                In May, the Mishustin government submitted to the State Duma a proposal to introduce coronavirus vaccination into the national calendar, but the State Duma refused to do so in July.
                True, a law has appeared according to which, by decision of the chief sanitary doctors of the region, in the event of an epidemic, the heads of the regions can introduce compulsory vaccination for certain categories of professions. These categories of professions are stipulated.
            4. AUL
              AUL 11 November 2021 10: 22
              +7
              Quote: Svarog
              Why neither the vaccine manufacturer nor the authorities want to take responsibility for the person in case of complications from the vaccine? Why are they forced to "voluntarily" inject?

              So you yourself answered this question:
              The obvious answer is sorry for the money.

              PS But I do not advise you to watch this video. The author is already very verbose, behind his chatter the meaning of what has been said is lost. Annoys!
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 11 November 2021 11: 40
                -2
                Quote: AUL

                PS But I do not advise you to watch this video. The author is already very verbose, behind his chatter the meaning of what has been said is lost. Annoys!

                The presentation is really difficult to perceive .. but the person is very corrosive and qualitatively shows the true picture. Moreover, it is based on numbers and reasoned.
            5. New Year day
              New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 20
              +5
              Quote: Svarog
              Why is the increase in the incidence even higher in countries where the proportion of vaccinated people is significantly higher than in Russia?
              - And most importantly .. Why neither the manufacturer of the vaccine, nor the authorities want to take responsibility for the person in case of complications from the vaccine? Why are they forced to "voluntarily" inject?

              Wait for an answer, wait for an answer .... forever
            6. bk316
              bk316 11 November 2021 14: 04
              0
              And now I will give an example of a video, where an interesting point is that the more vaccinated in the country, the greater the incidence.

              Already wrote and more than once. First for the whiter or less educated, then I tried for people with incomplete average. You probably haven't grown up to that.



              Well, now for the illiterate who do not know what nonlinear functions are monotony and other "wisdom"


              We take country 404 -
              population 41000000
              got sick today 24000 - THIS is 0.06%
              vaccinated 16%

              We take the country of Malta
              population 516000
              got sick today 38 - THIS is 0.007%
              vaccinated - 96%

              Total% of vaccinated in Malta is 6 times more, and the incidence is 8 times less.

              Conclusion
              the more vaccinated there are in the country, the greater the incidence. - IT'S A LIE

              Or, as mathematicians say, a refuting example.

              There are quite a lot of feykometchikov in the country, from bloachers to governors, and deliberately lying and ignorance. In relation to vaccination, this is no longer very important. Statistically, everyone will be vaccinated, possibly except for those who get sick and those who die Someone will buy a certificate for $ 500, someone will sit down for it. Someone will not be vaccinated and will die, someone will be forced to be vaccinated, and someone will refuse and he will be kicked out of work. I repeat statistically in this case it does not matter. Slowly and with a screech, the wheels of the system spun and the car moved in the right direction.

              By the way, an interesting fact (about adults), among my relatives, friends, subordinates and other employees with whom I come across at work all have already been vaccinated, have been ill or died.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 11 November 2021 19: 18
                0
                Quote: bk316
                By the way, an interesting fact (about adults), among my relatives, friends, subordinates and other employees with whom I come across at work, everyone has already taken root, have been ill or died

                Indeed, an interesting fact .. but you probably "or" did not want to bet .. got accustomed, got sick, died.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 12 November 2021 12: 03
                  0
                  Indeed, an interesting fact .. but you probably "or" did not want to bet .. got accustomed, got sick, died.

                  Vladimir, you are certainly a famous fighter against rezhym, but you are not a stupid person, do not present yourself as a clown.
                  That would be clear. My 5 acquaintances have died, all until the summer of 2021, all over 70, all unvaccinated.
                  Of the vaccinated, 4 were ill, of different age, all in a mild form. One woman was under 80, a bunch of chronicles including pulmonary, just in case, was hospitalized, after 5 days she was discharged.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 12 November 2021 12: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: bk316
                    That would be clear. My 5 acquaintances have died, all until the summer of 2021, all over 70, all unvaccinated.

                    My statistics are different. Thank God. Nobody died .. well, among the inner circle, among friends too .. but here are friends of friends, there are dead, all for 70 years.
                    Vladimir, you are certainly a famous fighter against rezhym, but you are not a stupid person, do not present yourself as a clown.

                    If you call the comments on the VO fight .. then so be it ..
                    And you, too, are not stupid, perhaps for this reason, and do not answer simple questions?
                    Why doesn't the manufacturer and the state want to take responsibility for such a safe and reliable vaccine?
                    Why does the vaccine not protect against disease, why does it not protect against death ... and only, perhaps ... protects against severe course?
                    In general, there were a lot of questions, so there are still ... but I have already formed a position on this problem.
                    You will soon find out that the vaccine is not a panacea ... a new remedy will soon be on the market.
                    I've been voicing my predictions here for five years already ... and surprisingly, I have never made a mistake. Although sometimes you want to be wrong ..
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 12 November 2021 15: 18
                      -1
                      I do not answer obvious questions at all, I regularly answer more or less interesting ones, including about vaccines. Read for example about the ratio of vaccination rates and morbidity. Well, let's I will personally answer your questions.
                      Why doesn't the manufacturer and the state want to take responsibility for such a safe and reliable vaccine?

                      It is not entirely clear what "take responsibility" is. Does any state "take responsibility" for some medicines?

                      For example chemotherapy oncology. Approximately 20% of critically ill patients die from chemotherapy. Simply by speaking, they are injected with poison. Did not know? And this is known to any oncologist. You don't shout that they are murderers. And here, unlike a vaccine, there is a direct connection between death and the drug. And the drug is approved. And no one is responsible. Otherwise, the patient would have died with 100% probability. Think a little.

                      Why does the vaccine not protect against disease, why does it not protect against death ... and only, perhaps ... protects against severe course?

                      Any vaccine does not "protect" from anything, this is an incorrect yard term. Vvaccine reduces the likelihood illness, severe course and death. For each vaccine and each strain, all 3 indicators are published, usually in medical journals. If you cannot read English, subscribe to Myasnikov or something, he regularly publishes with proofs. Well, or something like that https://www.vesti.ru/article/2633791 Personally, I am interested in mortality, it is reduced by 90% Imagine an armor that provides a survival rate of 90% of accurate shots from SVD, does it protect or not?

                      You will soon find out that the vaccine is not a panacea ... a new remedy will soon be on the market.

                      I would very much like you to be right. But medicines for viruses are still (throughout the history of mankind) not very effective and are discovered more or less by chance. So far, there seems to be no revolution on the horizon. If this still happens, and the effectiveness turns out to be like that of a vaccine, I myself will not be vaccinated.
              2. Edvid
                Edvid 12 November 2021 03: 38
                +3
                Israel, illustrative graphs:
                https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1031747
                And in Holland 86% are twice vaccinated. At the same time, the third vaccination was announced, because they began to have a sharp increase in the number of infected! ... the trend says that 100% of those vaccinated will not be a guarantee against the continuation of the pandemic.
            7. Evgeny Ivanov_5
              Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 November 2021 16: 02
              -1
              Right, right. Change the government, put Navalny in the presidency, refuse vaccinations and everything will pass by itself.
            8. purple
              purple 11 November 2021 16: 11
              -2
              Anti-vaccine chtoli?
              Because of these, it became impossible to go anywhere ...
              According to observations, most anti-vaccines who have been ill with covid go to get vaccinated ...
            9. Orkraider
              Orkraider 11 November 2021 17: 39
              +1
              Welcome.

              Why is the increase in the incidence even higher in countries where the proportion of vaccinated people is significantly higher than in Russia?


              They wrote very interestingly, let me disagree!

              Portugal, 86% vaccinated,
              both a lower number of infections and a decrease in mortality are clearly visible.


              Qatar, 87% vaccinated,
              Pay attention to Mortality ..


              Spain, 80% vaccinated, a very interesting picture,


              Not everything is as simple as you write, a number of countries with a large% of vaccinated do not have the same height as ours, but the main criterion is a decrease in mortality.
              That's what's most important!


              United Kingdom:
              There is an increase in the number of cases.
              There is no increase in mortality!
              This is the main thing to know about getting vaccinated.

            10. Kapany3
              Kapany3 12 November 2021 01: 07
              0
              Forgive me, there are a lot of percentages vaccinated in Israel, I don't know exactly how much, but almost all, but something is not observed
              the increase in the incidence is even higher
              , now you need to be more careful with such statements
              1. Edvid
                Edvid 12 November 2021 03: 55
                +3
                Right here from Israel. The course of the TOTAL mortality growth curve over time coincides with the increase in the number of injected patients: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1031747
                There is a strong suspicion that it is the campaign of mass acupuncture that is leading to an increase in overall mortality.
                1. Roma 1977
                  Roma 1977 12 November 2021 10: 20
                  0
                  Or vice versa: when the epidemic intensifies, and the people begin to die en masse, the relatives of the deceased cease to be anti-axers and massively go for vaccinations.
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 11 November 2021 07: 14
            -7
            Something like this. laughing Only to us "Pegasus" will not arrive, if suddenly something. crying
          3. Flooding
            Flooding 11 November 2021 07: 36
            +1
            Quote: Telakh
            For thirty years they cultivated obscurantism with all their might and ruined education

            are you talking about spiritualistic seances and fortune-telling on the cards?
          4. Civil
            Civil 11 November 2021 08: 19
            -11
            Quote: Telakh
            Look! For thirty years they cultivated obscurantism with all their might and ruined education, and then the unreasonable people came from somewhere!

            At this rate, soon everyone will deny the presence of electricity, the need for a round wheel, they will call steam locomotives - devilish creatures. Instead of AK-47, they will take spears.
            Microbiology has already begun to be denied, as has the sphericity of the Earth. Ah nuda, women do not need education, the Sun revolves around the Earth.
            How could we SO degrade to the level of illiterate tribes.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 11 November 2021 08: 25
              +13
              How could we SO degrade to the level of illiterate tribes.

              The illiterate is easier to manage. Therefore, they are pulling religion to the masses.
              How simple, they flew around Moscow with an icon and the Germans could not take Moscow, they rubbed us in. So let them fly around again and the coronavirus disappears wassat
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 11 November 2021 08: 56
                -6
                Quote: Konnick
                The illiterate is easier to manage. Therefore, they are pulling religion to the masses.

                Is someone being forcibly pulled into church? Or are they taking away the opportunity to learn? Or maybe it's just that some parents don't care how their child learns?
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 11 November 2021 15: 12
                -2
                This pearl with icons is not ointment - Rub in will not work.
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 30
              +9
              Quote: Civil
              Microbiology has already begun to be denied

              Are you an expert in microbiology? Can you tell us about the ADE phenomenon after vaccination? Here Gunzburg, a land specialist, denies it altogether.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 11 November 2021 15: 13
                -4
                Ginsburg, if the head of the office, he did not create the vaccine, it was created by the specialists that he had been attracting since the 90s.
            3. Alf
              Alf 11 November 2021 18: 21
              +1
              Quote: Civil
              How could we SO degrade to the level of illiterate tribes.

              The second part of your question (unpublished) is who, over 20 years of government, has so lowered the country in mental development?
          5. Pivot
            Pivot 11 November 2021 08: 51
            +7
            And why the people are unreasonable, when vaccinating, consent is signed and that the vaccinee takes responsibility for all side effects. Do you know how vaccines that have not gone into circulation and that have expired are destroyed? This is far from holy water.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 32
              0
              Quote: Pivot
              How are vaccines that have not gone into circulation and have expired are destroyed?

              In my opinion, this is a waste-free process - money down the drain?
              1. Pivot
                Pivot 11 November 2021 09: 58
                0
                No, far from it.
        2. I am not a robot
          I am not a robot 11 November 2021 10: 59
          -1
          if something really serious happens: the same thing happens as is happening now, there will be something more deadly, we will die out and at the same time we will shout: what kind of quarantine, masks, vaccination is a violation of our freedoms and constitutional rights, and the last one on the last gasping for breath, he will say: what did the authorities do (quarantine does not allow everyone to get sick en masse, masks protect a LITTLE not you, as many think, but people from you (maybe you are sick without symptoms), but the vaccine has already saved people from smallpox, maybe this save time.
          ps. put downsides, but can someone explain how to deal with the pandemic
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 11 November 2021 12: 35
            +5
            is it this pandemic? why no one fights with a tube or onko?
            1. I am not a robot
              I am not a robot 11 November 2021 12: 38
              -5
              don't you leave the house, look around
              you probably slept for a year, the denial of the pandemic was then relevant, but not now
              1. Aag
                Aag 11 November 2021 13: 20
                +4
                Quote: Janerobot
                don't you leave the house, look around
                you probably slept for a year, the denial of the pandemic was then relevant, but not now

                At the same time, it is worth asking what happened with the treatment of other diseases this year, what mortality from them has changed, to compare ... I'm afraid there will be no objective figures. The reliability of PCR tests was officially recognized within 40-60% (i.e. -50 , either yes or no))). And the experience of each, -personal, or on the example of the immediate environment, will be oh-so varied, ambiguous ..., suggesting that nothing is really known, or, - is carefully hidden ...
                1. I am not a robot
                  I am not a robot 11 November 2021 14: 37
                  -1
                  what exactly is hidden, what is the habit of speaking in riddles
              2. I am not a robot
                I am not a robot 11 November 2021 14: 34
                -2
                I missed the second question: who told you that they are not fighting, it is quite possible to fight for yourself, to be treated and people are treated with other diseases
              3. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 11 November 2021 15: 43
                +3
                do not deny the virus, but the meaning of a pandemic can be argued
            2. Alf
              Alf 11 November 2021 18: 24
              +2
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              why no one fights with a tube or onko?

              It is not profitable. Yes, and left in the stash if the C19 stops rolling.
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 November 2021 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: NDR-791
          During this time, the leadership has learned how to quickly build up forces in the necessary points of the country, deploy additional bed capacity

          Speaking of funds, the IMF issued recommendations that the NWF should be replenished with currency from the sale of resources even when it reaches 7% of GDP. According to our laws, if the NWF exceeds the level of 7% of GDP, all foreign exchange earnings must be invested in the Russian economy.
          "Our" government immediately convened a committee with the initiative to raise the bar from 7 to 10%. So that all the currency goes anywhere, but not for the good of the country.
        4. dauria
          dauria 11 November 2021 19: 02
          +3
          That is, if something really serious happens, then everything is "delegated" ???


          Yeah. And the mobilization before the war will be carried out as follows. If you want, go, if you want, protest.
          President, make a decision. You are the captain in this trough, take responsibility. Shout "All run to port." Your rating will not go anywhere. And if he does, the dog is with him, you must think about the ship, and not about your dress jacket. Or you yourself are not sure that you need to run to the port side? Then gather the officers, polls and again bark "I decided ....". Don't hide behind their backs.
        5. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 12 November 2021 10: 44
          0
          The hour is off, Russia will turn not into a consumer of pharmaceuticals, but into an exporter.
          The government of the Russian Federation will not allow such lawlessness !!!! Why, then, was the pharmaceutical industry destroyed ?! Otherwise, democracy in the Russian Federation will collapse on the vine, and profits will decrease.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 11 November 2021 06: 39
        -3
        Quote: Stas157
        А most of the populationas the main driver of the madness happening in the country

        The author seems to be out of luck with the population.

        Well, as well as the authorities ..
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 11 November 2021 07: 21
          +23
          And why were the people locked up only for a week? And there are already reports that the incidence has decreased. But most importantly, all the authors who were unlucky with the people, for some reason, are silent about the delight with which all the media about the opening of borders. That is, you sit at home inside the country, but if you want to go abroad for a new portion of covid, you will be allowed.
          I have a question for VO visitors. After all, in the Soviet Union we were taught to think and analyze. Don't just take a word. and what does Fedorov urge? Besides, I have to trust the people who deprived me of my pension?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2021 07: 58
            +15
            Then I would ask the author - and which one will you be from? Al is it not like you, me, other people present here are our people?
            Or is the author a diamond in the dung?
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 33
              +12
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Then I would ask the author - and which one will you be from?

              Apparently a vicious vaccinator, i.e. inquisitor, and singer of power
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 12 November 2021 10: 49
              +1
              Or is the author a diamond in the dung?
              Of them, colleague, of them. Just type in a search engine - Evgeny Fedorov. There is a lot about this "man". Especially about his activities. My personal opinion about him is (unprintable word).
          2. Woodman
            Woodman 11 November 2021 08: 41
            -9
            Quote: Gardamir
            for some reason they are silent about the delight with which all the media about the opening of borders

            This is how the media express not only the wishes of the authorities, but sometimes also the mood of the population. For example, I don’t care about the opening of borders - it’s corny that there is nothing to go there, and I don’t really want to. And for someone ... I heard the mini-lockdown for this week, the prices for the road to foreign resorts soared almost 10 times. It is unlikely that only because the officials sold out all the tickets. Ordinary people, whose finances allow them to rush to the resorts. And, I suspect, there were a lot of media representatives among them. That is why there is such joy in the reports. And the fact that they will bring a new infection from there - only doctors grieve about this. And the authorities ... I think that they just gave the opportunity not to the poorest part of the population to "let off steam". As for me - in vain.
            Quote: Gardamir
            Besides, I have to trust the people who deprived me of my pension?

            Whom do you urge to believe? Honestly, I don't care whether you believe the authorities or not - this is a purely personal matter, I just wonder who do you think you can trust now?
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 37
              +4
              Quote: Lesovik
              And the fact that they will bring a new infection from there - only doctors grieve about this. And the authorities ... I think that they just gave the opportunity not to the poorest part of the population to "let off steam".

              Everything is simpler. Those in power simply earned money. Think for yourself, who got the margin from the influx of tourists at the peak of the epidemic in Sochi or Crimea? They, the authorities, - money, tourists - a new coronavirus, which was successfully delivered throughout the country.
              They opened flights with the same India in the midst of an epidemic - why? It's simple to get money for air tickets, bring Delta into the country and once again teach money for medicines and treatment of sick fellow citizens. Surplus everywhere
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 11 November 2021 09: 51
                -3
                Quote: Overlock
                Everything is simpler. Those in power simply earned money.

                Not. Doubtful. If you think so, then representatives of strictly defined types of business should be in power. After all, where some earn billions on tourists (and not for long) and vaccines (permanently), others lose the same billions against the background of antikidny restrictions - the same catering, hotel business (not resort), various entertainment (cinema, theaters, concerts, sports ). And those who lost, in this case, are much more. Therefore, I will remain with my opinion - the usual bungling and attempts to reduce tension in society.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 11 November 2021 10: 02
                  +13
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  If you think so, then representatives of strictly defined types of business should be in power. After all, where some make billions on tourists

                  Exactly. Golikov - arbidol, Vainobazin, Evtushenkov (14th place in Forbes) - Sputnik, etc. by the list
                2. Aag
                  Aag 11 November 2021 13: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Everything is simpler. Those in power simply earned money.

                  Not. Doubtful. If you think so, then representatives of strictly defined types of business should be in power. After all, where some earn billions on tourists (and not for long) and vaccines (permanently), others lose the same billions against the background of antikidny restrictions - the same catering, hotel business (not resort), various entertainment (cinema, theaters, concerts, sports ). And those who lost, in this case, are much more. Therefore, I will remain with my opinion - the usual bungling and attempts to reduce tension in society.

                  ... Decrease tensions? And do they not want to reduce tensions in crowded, coughing buses, in queues at polyclinics? ... Or, instead of these "tense" ones, will they bring in thousands more amnestied from ... neighboring states?
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 11 November 2021 10: 39
              +6
              Quote: Lesovik
              Whom do you urge to believe? Honestly, I don't care whether you believe the authorities or not - this is a purely personal matter, I just wonder who do you think you can trust now?

              You can only trust common sense. But for this, a person must reach a certain level of development and understanding .. It seems like such simple truths, but for some reason some believed about the care of the state .. The state, which imposed taxes, drove into poverty, essentially abolished pensions, condemning pensioners and pre-retirement people to death age, optimized medicine .. and so on .. And then suddenly I became concerned about my health ... Moreover, they cunningly took care of it .. colibrate the vaccine, but we do not guarantee anything in which case ..
              Any sane person will ask the question - Who the hell?
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 11 November 2021 10: 48
                -9
                Quote: Svarog
                The state, which imposed taxes, drove it into poverty, essentially abolished pensions, condemning pensioners and people of pre-retirement age to death, optimized medicine ... and so on ...

                Why bother like that? Easier to shoot.
                Quote: Svarog
                You can only trust common sense.

                But each has its own meaning.
                Quote: Svarog
                inject the vaccine, but we do not guarantee anything in which case ..

                Are you hinting at "give me money" again, in the sense of compensation?
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 November 2021 11: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Why bother like that? Easier to shoot.

                  It's not easier ... you won't be able to earn money by shooting ... but on the vaccine it's very even ..
                  Are you hinting at "give me money" again, in the sense of compensation?

                  I am not hinting, but demanding .. The government together with the manufacturer should be responsible for the slurry .. if after vaccination a person dies from covid, the government together with the manufacturer are obliged to pay material compensation. If a person receives complications after vaccination, the authorities, together with the manufacturer, are obliged to pay material compensation. Otherwise, there can be no coercive measures.
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 11 November 2021 12: 11
                    -4
                    Quote: Svarog
                    you won't be able to make money by being shot .. but on the vaccine it is very even ..

                    So the vaccine for the population is free, so the attempts of the state (and you said about the state: "The state that imposed taxes, drove it into poverty, in fact canceled pensions,") is a continuous loss for him, the state, a loss - buy it yourself give it away for free.
                    Quote: Svarog
                    If, after vaccination, a person dies from covid, the authorities, together with the manufacturer, are obliged to pay material compensation.

                    A dead man doesn't need money.
                    Quote: Svarog
                    If a person gets any complications after vaccination, the authority, together with the manufacturer, must

                    At least they will try to cure him. But. For such obligations, you, on your part, must undergo a full medical examination - and it is free, moreover, there is such a program as a general medical examination. And if a person underwent such a survey (he himself, voluntarily, and not a scandal about this at the vaccination point, he rolled it), then we could talk about insurance from the state. Now answer honestly - what part of the population will go through this examination for the sake of vaccination? And how many of them will try to simply buy ready-made results of such a survey?
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 11 November 2021 12: 18
                      +6
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      At least they will try to cure him. But. For such obligations, you, on your part, must undergo a full medical examination - and it is free, moreover, there is such a program as a general medical examination. And if a person underwent such a survey (he himself, voluntarily, and not a scandal about this at the vaccination point, he rolled it), then we could talk about insurance from the state. Now answer honestly - what part of the population will go through this examination for the sake of vaccination? And how many of them will try to simply buy ready-made results of such a survey?

                      I thought that you are more adequate .. than there is .. I did not want to answer, but for the last time I will answer this nonsense.
                      Firstly .. do not interfere with a bunch of horses and people .. it was about the responsibility of the manufacturer for the slurry and the state, as an accomplice. When you buy a car probably with a guarantee? And you are not forced to buy it ..
                      Secondly .. Any person is ready to undergo the examination for free .. The question is as a survey ..
                      If, after vaccination, a person dies from covid, the authorities, together with the manufacturer, are obliged to pay material compensation.

                      A dead man doesn't need money.

                      The dead man has children, grandchildren, relatives ... so what else is there ...
                      You won't be able to work on a firing squad ... but on a vaccine, it's very even ...

                      So the vaccine for the population is free, so the attempts of the state (and you said about the state: "The state that imposed taxes, drove it into poverty, in fact canceled pensions,") is a continuous loss for him, the state, a loss - buy it yourself give it away for free.

                      Don't talk nonsense .. everything is free in the USSR left .. even here you have to pay for the fact that you breathe.
                      1. Woodman
                        Woodman 11 November 2021 12: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        all free in the USSR remained.

                        For a person with a salary under 100k, until recently, it is possible. And for me, as it is hardly reducing the family budget to the official living wage, and now there are quite a few free services, including medicine.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        here even for the fact that you already have to pay to breathe.

                        And you also have to pay extra for writing nonsense?
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Any person is ready to undergo the examination for free .. The question is as a survey ..

                        What difference does it make to you if your goal is to get the right to compensation from the state?
                        Quote: Svarog
                        it was about responsibility

                        Generally, the responsibility should be mutual. What I wrote about, offering to undergo examinations.
                        From the answers to these questions
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Now answer honestly - what part of the population will go through this examination for the sake of vaccination? And how many of them will try to simply buy ready-made results of such a survey?

                        you, as I understand it, are leaving?
                      2. I am not a robot
                        I am not a robot 11 November 2021 15: 19
                        -1
                        you will not prove anything to them, they just minus you, they act so to speak with a group of people
                        ps. I would put a plus for you, but these minus (without giving any refutations), and no pluses are put
                    2. Alf
                      Alf 11 November 2021 18: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      Quote: Svarog
                      If, after vaccination, a person dies from covid, the authorities, together with the manufacturer, are obliged to pay material compensation.

                      A dead man doesn't need money.

                      That is why, practically at the same time, both there and in Russia they started talking about creating a medicine for C19, here they called it Mir-19. All around the manufacturer will make money on the vaccine, and then on the medicine. By the way, the creator of the vaccine Tam-Pfizer, and the creator of the drug is also Pfizer.
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 November 2021 19: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        That is why, almost at the same time, both there and in Russia they started talking about creating a medicine for C19.

                        This is the next stage for making money .. they will say that vaccines were not particularly effective .. we ask you to understand .. but a miracle pill appeared .. it will cure everyone ..
            3. Gardamir
              Gardamir 11 November 2021 17: 47
              -1
              Who do you think you can trust now?
              Does not matter. what I believe. The main thing is to think for yourself.
          3. Pivot
            Pivot 11 November 2021 08: 52
            -2
            I support for all 100
          4. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 11 November 2021 10: 39
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            I have a question for VO visitors. After all, in the Soviet Union we were taught to think and analyze. Don't just take a word. and what does Fedorov urge? Besides, I have to trust the people who deprived me of my pension?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNSe8BQ7NU
          5. I am not a robot
            I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 00
            0
            anyway, no one observes the quarantine, what's the difference whether the borders are open or closed, just a week off
      3. volodimer
        volodimer 11 November 2021 16: 40
        +4
        How lovely
        unconscious population of "anti-axers"

        I've already heard this somewhere ...
        "Quilted jackets", "Colorades" ...
        Sound familiar?
      4. Living7111972
        Living7111972 12 November 2021 01: 00
        -2
        Not to the author, but to the country, you just haven't seen how difficult it is to die in intensive care ...
        And in spite of everything, the really vaccinated do not get there
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 11 November 2021 20: 41
      -5
      Quote: Dimy4
      And most of the population, as the main driver of the madness happening in the country, will continue to look for new justifications for their primordially democratic slogan “my body is my business”.

      You may not be aware, especially for Atalef of his comrades-in-arms and like-minded people: children get sick because of the irresponsibility of anti-axers who refused to be vaccinated, and who fell ill spreading the infection around them. Children also die from the Delta and the worst thing is even babies (!!!). I repeat, they die because of those who did not get vaccinated from covid in time, fell ill and spread the infection. Somewhere in Siberia, a doctor - an anti-Vaxer, a homeopath, the owner of a medical center died a few days ago from covid, and he is not even 40. Would have taken root in time, would have sat on the couch with his beloved woman in an embrace, would have watched football.
    3. PROXOR
      PROXOR 12 November 2021 15: 32
      0
      I am writing from above so that everyone can see.
      This is how the elite is in despair to foist poison on the population, which has already paid for articles in all publications. There are absolutely different topics between them. Yesterday, two articles were published on the chips, today I read it in the military review.
      DAMINISTRATION OF MILITARY REVIEW !!!! OUCH !!!!! How does this question relate to the topic of the site ... The question was rhetorical. Sold out - under threat of closure.
      I wish everyone who writes these custom-made articles to get my share of the vaccine ... I sacrifice with all my heart. You look, and here such corrupt in the camp will decrease.
  2. YOUR
    YOUR 11 November 2021 05: 52
    +34
    actually checked the effectiveness of quarantine measures

    Well, what are the effective quarantine measures? They took from us and reduced the amount of transport on the routes by half. Well done. Now all minibuses are packed to capacity. You can list a bunch of nonsense, in my opinion all these quarantine measures are not invented by specialists, but by administrators and politicians of different levels, having only one desire to show themselves, their work
    1. Far B
      Far B 11 November 2021 06: 20
      +20
      Very effective quarantine measures laughing At the beginning of the first lockdown last year, people were very indignant about the fact that self-isolation, etc. - this is a clear violation of basic constitutional rights, that the authorities should first introduce an emergency and state of emergency, and then restrict people. The authorities, of course, did not introduce any emergency situations, since they habitually regretted the attendants. But she continued to bend her line. And now almost no one is outraged by the infringement of those very basic constitutional rights, which, in fact, are even higher than the laws of the country, since these laws are written under the Constitution, and not vice versa (well, in a normal society; in our country, the Constitution is written under one well-known personality, as everyone knows from last year). People are even ready to accept the absolute impudence in the form of introducing car-car codes on transport. In fact, there was a complete immersion in the world of Orwell's "1984" and "Kin-dza-dzy", and nicho, most of it is taken for granted. And you say that the authorities' quarantine measures are ineffective)))
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 11 November 2021 06: 26
        +12
        We have so generally set up posts at the entrances to the city. Cops without weapons. Next to the special forces with full weapons. Imagine standing with a machine gun, a pistol, a knife on unloading, unloading pockets full of magazines. There were no pomegranates. Naturally in masks. People shouldn't see their heroes. The question is why and against whom and what kind of quarantine is it that needs to be supported by armed units
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 November 2021 06: 52
          +1
          Quote: YOUR
          The question is why and against whom and what kind of quarantine is it that needs to be supported by armed units

          Why, for the sake of money and power ..
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 11 November 2021 07: 03
        -14
        Quote: Dalny V
        self-isolation and so on. is a clear violation of basic constitutional rights,

        A person has one basic right - the right to life.
        And any antivaxer is essentially the same terrorist who walks the streets with a gun and shoots at everyone he meets.
        1. Far B
          Far B 11 November 2021 07: 17
          +18
          And any antivaxer is essentially the same terrorist who walks the streets with a gun and shoots at everyone he meets
          Wow. How dashing you are scattering labels.
          - and if the anti-waxer does not walk the streets? (by car to the office, from there - home, contacts - at least, everything - through a mask);
          - and what if the waxer picks up the crown, but, equipped with a car-car code, hides in a crowded place?
          - what if...
          Yes, I’ll throw you a bunch of "ifs" to which you cannot answer.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 11 November 2021 07: 51
            -11
            Quote: Dalny V
            and what if the waxer picks up the crown, but, equipped with a car-car code, hides in a crowded place?

            If everyone else is also pricked there, then it's okay ...
            such "ifs" to which you cannot answer

            This is why I envy the Chinese.
            For every sneeze, a general check of the entire population and all "ifs" end.
            They have been living quietly for more than a year now and have not heard of any second, third or fourth waves.
            1. Alexander Elnyakov
              Alexander Elnyakov 11 November 2021 08: 06
              +3
              You would read how they live quietly, go nuts, they have a real concentration camp there
              1. Jacket in stock
                Jacket in stock 11 November 2021 08: 16
                -8
                Quote: Alexander Elnyakov
                , they have a real concentration camp there

                Yes, such a "concentration camp" is better than a mess like ours.
                1. MikhailRus
                  MikhailRus 11 November 2021 19: 00
                  +3
                  How strong are slave genes
            2. atalef
              atalef 11 November 2021 08: 10
              0
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              For every sneeze, a general check of the entire population and all "ifs" end.
              They have been living quietly for more than a year now and have not heard of any second, third or fourth waves.

              nothing like this.
              There are waves there, it's just China. The statistics are hushed up, but yes, they already have over a billion vaccinated.
            3. Skay
              Skay 11 November 2021 08: 43
              +9
              If everyone else is also pricked there, then it's okay ...

              The people of Israel look at you in amazement ...
            4. Svarog
              Svarog 11 November 2021 10: 41
              0
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              This is why I envy the Chinese.

              That would really send all the government officials to China .. and you can go there too .. I wonder how many would be shot by the Chinese if they had such patriotic and not thieving officials?
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 11 November 2021 10: 11
            0
            Wow. How dashing you are scattering labels.
            - and if the anti-waxer does not walk the streets? (by car to the office, from there - home, contacts - at least, everything - through a mask);
            - and what if the waxer picks up the crown, but, equipped with a car-car code, hides in a crowded place?
            - what if...
            Yes, I’ll throw you a bunch of "ifs" to which you cannot answer.

            Now imagine that all this is done by a dude not with covid, but with smallpox.
            Do you understand why the epidemic continues?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 November 2021 11: 52
              +6
              Quote: Arzt

              Now imagine that all this is done by a dude not with covid, but with smallpox.
              Do you understand why the epidemic continues?

              The smallpox vaccine is 100% effective and prevents the disease .. And here the situation is different .. Here even Ginzburg does not guarantee you anything .. You will still get sick despite the vaccine, you can also die from covid, despite the fact that you were vaccinated , the only thing .. and it’s not exactly, perhaps you will endure the disease easier .. BUT no one guarantees.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 11 November 2021 15: 44
                -2
                The smallpox vaccine is 100% effective and prevents the disease .. And here the situation is different .. Here even Ginzburg does not guarantee you anything .. You will still get sick despite the vaccine, you can also die from covid, despite the fact that you were vaccinated , the only thing .. and it’s not exactly, perhaps you will endure the disease easier .. BUT no one guarantees.

                There is no 100% guarantee on anything. From smallpox as well.
                It's about how herd immunity is developed.
                If 60% do not want to be vaccinated, the flag is in their hands. Natural selection will figure it out. wink
                1. Alf
                  Alf 11 November 2021 18: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: Arzt
                  If 60% do not want to be vaccinated, the flag is in their hands. Natural selection will figure it out

                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 11 November 2021 20: 36
                    0
                    Have everyone vaccinated before April? Yeah. In Mongolia, even now, less than 70%.
                    And he died in 1850.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 11 November 2021 21: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Arzt
                      In Mongolia, even now, less than 70%.



        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 11 November 2021 07: 29
          +11
          any antivaxer is essentially the same terrorist who walks the streets with a gun and shoots at everyone he meets.
          So, covidovaxers have the same armor protection from the vaccine.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 11 November 2021 08: 33
            +7
            So, covidovaxers have the same armor protection from the vaccine.

            I have the opportunity to learn about India first-hand. The situation there is much better and there is no such excitement as ours, despite their population density. But interestingly, the incidence in wealthy vaccinated

            quarters are several times higher than in the poor, where there is continuous unsanitary conditions. Natural immunity resists covid better than vaccination. Today's screenshots. There is a difference ... India is 107th in vaccination, 27%, why no one pays attention to this situation.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 11 November 2021 08: 50
              -2
              Quote: Konnick
              The situation there is much better and there is no such excitement as we have

              Here it is also necessary to compare the number of tests per capita. Although it is possible
              Quote: Konnick
              the incidence in the wealthy vaccinated neighborhoods is several times higher than in the poor, where there is continuous unsanitary conditions. Natural immunity
              here you are just right. But somehow I don’t want our people to live the same way they live in poor Indian quarters. Even for the sake of "natural immunity".
            2. Flank
              Flank 11 November 2021 12: 47
              -2
              Quote: Konnick
              several times higher than in the poor, where there is continuous unsanitary conditions

              It's a lie. It's just that the poor are not included in the statistics of sick people, since they have no access to medicine.
          2. Woodman
            Woodman 11 November 2021 08: 46
            -6
            Quote: Gardamir
            So for covidaxers

            The "covidaxers" also have children, for whom they have not yet been vaccinated, but they have covid.
            1. Aag
              Aag 11 November 2021 14: 01
              +2
              They are already actively working on this, at least in the media ...
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 11 November 2021 14: 04
                -1
                Quote: AAG
                They are already actively working on this.

                I know. But so far there is no protection for children. And the opportunities to catch this infection are not diminishing.
          3. Overlock
            Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 40
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            So, covidovaxers have the same armor protection from the vaccine.

            Apparently unreliable, since it manages them so
          4. Svarog
            Svarog 11 November 2021 10: 41
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            So, covidovaxers have the same armor protection from the vaccine.

            Apparently she is not there, if they are so afraid ..
          5. Antonina Ignatenko
            Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 12: 25
            +1
            So, covidovaxers have the same armor protection from the vaccine.
            Paid vaccination campaigners have armor protection against common sense. Arguments don't work here. [quote] [/ quote]
        3. krops777
          krops777 11 November 2021 08: 00
          +14
          And any antivaxer is essentially the same terrorist who walks the streets with a gun and shoots at everyone he meets.


          Well, do you think anti-axers are to blame for the mutations of the virus? And my opinion is exactly the opposite, and then who is the terrorist because of whom the virus has become stronger and more deadly? Read about immunity, about vaccinations, how and when they are given.
          1. And
            And 11 November 2021 09: 49
            +1
            Good afternoon. Scientists agree with you.
            https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 45
            +2
            Quote: krops777
            Well, do you think anti-axers are to blame for the mutations of the virus?

            As the bald "talking head" says - a vaccine that makes the virus adapt to a new environment.
        4. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2021 08: 02
          +3
          It is impossible so all, one size fits all.
          You were offered as many options. If he is a carrier and wanders around the city, this is one thing, but if he has immunity like four?
        5. Pivot
          Pivot 11 November 2021 08: 59
          +6
          So you are vaccinated, you are not afraid of anything, in the worst case, you will get sick with a runny nose. You inject the vaccine every month, so it will be safer.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 43
            +3
            Quote: Pivot
            So you are vaccinated, you are not afraid of anything, in the worst case, you will get sick with a runny nose.

            Looks like I'm not sure of a miracle

            Quote: Pivot
            You inject the vaccine every month, so it will be safer.

            For everyone
          2. Alf
            Alf 11 November 2021 18: 43
            0
            Quote: Pivot
            You inject the vaccine every month, so it will be safer.

            1. Pivot
              Pivot 12 November 2021 11: 40
              +1
              Well, do not juggle, there is a question about the crown, why weave 5G here?
              1. Alf
                Alf 12 November 2021 16: 53
                +2
                Quote: Pivot
                Well, do not juggle, there is a question about the crown, why weave 5G here?

                Because each new enlargement is to blame, revaccination, this is the renewal of the old vaccine in pursuit of the new letters of the alphabet.
                1. Pivot
                  Pivot 12 November 2021 17: 07
                  +1
                  So vaccination is a voluntary matter, those who wish can be vaccinated with each new update, I suppose I have never been sick with a crown, although I fly and move on trains very often, and someone went to the store once and kaput. In our office, the vaccinated once after vaccination got sick, and I did not get sick without vaccination. So do I need this vaccine or not, if I'm not sick anyway?
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 12 November 2021 17: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Pivot
                    So do I need this vaccine or not, if I'm not sick anyway?

                    So what are we talking about! Do you want to vaccinate, do not do it. This is how it should be, and not to drive people to vaccinate with sticks. It's just that when you watch social networks, one lasting impression arises.
                    Not going to get vaccinated - I do not want to be vaccinated for various reasons, but I do not impose my opinion and leave me alone.
                    Vaccinated - We did it and you should, and all this with some inexplicable aggression. The impression is that, having been vaccinated, they realize their stupidity, but there is no way to win back.
                    1. Pivot
                      Pivot 12 November 2021 18: 10
                      +1
                      I agree, this should be purely voluntary. For example, I don’t smoke, but I don’t impose my position on others.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 12 November 2021 18: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Pivot
                        I agree, this should be purely voluntary. For example, I don’t smoke, but I don’t impose my position on others.

                        Likewise. But when there is a lot of money behind vaccination, more precisely, VERY LARGE, money, the question of necessity or voluntariness will not be raised. And if we also take into account the fact that now the existing economic and political system is being scrapped, then a lot becomes very clear.
        6. for
          for 11 November 2021 10: 28
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And any antivaxer is essentially the same terrorist who walks the streets with a gun and shoots at everyone he meets.

          And the Waxters are official registered terrorists with a chicken code.
          So the chicken code grew into the chicken code.
          You have been given the right to infect each other in the designated areas.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 42
            +3
            Quote: for
            And the Waxters are official registered terrorists with a chicken code.

            That's the answer! Can I pull out the "Jacket"? laughing
          2. Alf
            Alf 11 November 2021 18: 48
            +2
            Quote: for
            You have been given the right to infect each other in the designated areas.

        7. New Year day
          New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 41
          +4
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And any antivaxer is essentially the same terrorist who walks the streets with a gun and shoots everyone

          Can I give you a machine gun in your hands? Itching? How is it in Ukraine, "and what for me?" When the answer arrives. Study physics, shooter. Nothing on earth passes without a trace ...
        8. YOUR
          YOUR 11 November 2021 13: 21
          +6
          So do everything according to the law, and do not drive under it. What document defines the QR code. There are laws on emergency and a law on the epidemiological situation. such restrictions are introduced when a state of emergency is declared on the territory of the country or certain regions. Why are they afraid to introduce an emergency or to officially introduce quarantine? Introduced and no questions asked. And why are they not introducing compulsory vaccination, it is possible to violate human rights by introducing quarantine measures based on what is not clear, it is impossible to violate human rights (I do not think this is so) by announcing universal vaccination.
          We all have a speck on our arm, a smallpox vaccination, when they did it, they didn't ask why it was impossible with coronavirus.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 November 2021 07: 25
        +7
        infringement of those very basic constitutional rights,
        as one MP said, "the introduction of compulsory vaccination does not contradict the Constitution." As you can see, you can justify anything. And these people accuse the Soviet Union of repression. Repression means suppression.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 11 November 2021 08: 23
        +7
        Quote: Dalny V
        And now almost no one is outraged by the infringement of those very basic constitutional rights.

        Apathy. Disbelief that anything can be changed. Lack-willed adherence to fate. Everything is as it was once in tsarist Russia with the serfs. After all, it is she who is now the ideal for imitation, according to the mustachioed. Well, now, the rotten autocracy has returned.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 11 November 2021 06: 51
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      You can list a bunch of nonsense

      I'm not sure that all this is "a bunch of nonsense" .. when there are too many nonsense, this is no longer nonsense, but intent.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 11 November 2021 06: 57
        +8
        Rather, confusion and from not knowing what to do, they begin to sculpt what comes to mind. And the desire to do something, but at the same time not only not to spend money, but also to earn.
        Like QR codes. kind of free. But no. Someone developed them, someone introduced them and received money for this.
        As an example, Usmanov proposed and implemented so-called chips for all products sold. From each barcode into your pocket, 60 kopecks. With the world on a thread to Usmanov to a new palace or yacht. So it is with codes
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 November 2021 07: 02
          -1
          Quote: YOUR
          Rather, confusion and from not knowing what to do, they begin to sculpt what comes to mind

          I beg you .. two years already can not get together? All this is planned.
          Like QR codes. kind of free. But no. Someone developed them, someone introduced them and received money for this

          The first info about chicken codes was long before covid .. it is intended for a product .. THAT is where we became a product ..
          As an example, Usmanov proposed and implemented so-called chips for all products sold. From each barcode into your pocket, 60 kopecks. With the world on a thread to Usmanov to a new palace or yacht. So it is with codes

          With codes for a person .. do not forget .. you are not a product .. and then many have already forgotten .. that's how society is changing.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 11 November 2021 07: 08
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            The first info about chicken codes was long before covid .. it is intended for a product .. THAT is where we became a product ..

            May be. Only I'm not talking about them specifically, but about the opportunity for some especially close ones to make money. Money lies in the budget as a useless burden when it is useful to lie in someone's wallet.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 November 2021 10: 44
              -1
              Quote: YOUR
              Money lies in the budget as a useless burden when it is useful to lie in someone's wallet.

              They do not lie useless .. this is a tribute paid by "patriots" to the West, so that they do not interfere with especially resources to take out of the country and engage in personal enrichment.
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          3. I am not a robot
            I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 06
            -2
            what are the measures to combat the pandemic other than quarantine, masks and vaccinations
            in bills, for example, for gas, codes with your data have been used for a long time, we have become a product for a long time
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 11 November 2021 13: 22
              +3
              These codes are not assigned to a person, but to an object, and with a change in the owner, these codes will not change.
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      2. Aag
        Aag 11 November 2021 14: 07
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: YOUR
        You can list a bunch of nonsense

        I'm not sure that all this is "a bunch of nonsense" .. when there are too many nonsense, this is no longer nonsense, but intent.

        Intention without design is fiction!)))
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 39
      +2
      Quote: YOUR
      they took us by half and reduced the number of transport on the routes. Well done. Now all minibuses are packed to capacity.

      So this is a specialist, then to scream about the epidemic
    4. I am not a robot
      I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 03
      -2
      or maybe the drivers just got sick, that's why the number of vehicles on the routes decreased, we both drove and drive
      minibuses always run packed to capacity: in the morning and in the evening
  3. Far B
    Far B 11 November 2021 05: 57
    +23
    Logic dictates that people who refuse vaccinations should believe in a bright future. But no - only 7% believe that the most difficult is over, while 84% are sure that it will be even worse now and in the future.
    It seems that the logic just works correctly for 84%, who are sure that it will be even worse in the future. If the trend for the worsening of the situation in the country has not changed for the devil knows how many years - why would the situation now begin to improve? Since what is coronavirus (because gladiolus)? Yes, nifiga. People see that the authorities are making some absolutely strange, sometimes downright absurd decisions, pretending to be fighting the crown, they hear the bravura statements of the authorities at all levels - and they see the result of these decisions, which is strikingly different from the joyful reports. So why should people expect the situation to improve - whether they are "waxers" or "anti-axers"? And not from what.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 November 2021 06: 06
      +15
      why would the authorities so want to prick everyone, if: "vaccinated". can still get sick (well, let's say it will be easier to endure), but it is still a carrier of the infection, how did they (the authorities) gather to interrupt the "chain" of transmission due to vaccination? some kind of nonsense ... it looks like someone just "earns".
      1. Far B
        Far B 11 November 2021 06: 34
        +7
        it looks like someone just "earns".
        Duc, masks have risen robustly, now the next level is vaccination with regular revaccination, and this is completely different money.
        By the way, about conspiracy theories. The Governor of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug N. Komarova, who received six (!!! Six, Karl! What for ?!) vaccinations from the crown:
        “Personally, I had six vaccinations. Delivered "Sputnik V". There can be no personal complaints against me. I personally - with everyone. Nothing has grown yet. I think everything will be okay. Even God forbid that, it will still benefit all other people. This data will be used in research results", - said the governor.

        Natalia Komarova believes that thanks to her participation in the experiment, people's confidence in vaccination will increase.


        «I am involved in research and I am monitored... But not so much to understand how many antibodies I have, as [to] understand how the vaccine works in this or that person. This is important, among other things, to increase people's confidence in vaccination, ”she added.
        Blabbing or dementia?
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 11 November 2021 07: 25
          +7
          Blabbing or dementia?

          Maybe not lying? I also did no less ... but I will clarify, from smallpox, from tetanus, well, from the rest. But real vaccinations are guaranteed. However, like most on the forum. And I have confidence in real vaccines, not in this early maturation.
          1. Flank
            Flank 11 November 2021 12: 52
            -2
            Quote: Konnick
            And I have confidence in real vaccines, not in this early maturation.

            Flu vaccines are all precocious. New every year. And nothing, they did not raise a howl.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 November 2021 14: 09
              0
              Quote: Flanke
              Quote: Konnick
              And I have confidence in real vaccines, not in this early maturation.

              Flu vaccines are all precocious. New every year. And nothing, they did not raise a howl.

              So no one forced them to prick .. they recommended, yes .. but no kyu codes were entered. or is there something missing, understand the difference from what howl?
              1. Flank
                Flank 11 November 2021 16: 05
                0
                The difference is in the consequences of the disease. Well, in the foreign policy environment. Now it is impossible to go against the world coronation, so ours are forced.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 11 November 2021 18: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Flanke
                  The difference is in the consequences of the disease.

                  The flu can also be deadly.
                  Quote: Flanke
                  Now you can not go against the world coronation,

                  Why
                  1. Flank
                    Flank 12 November 2021 08: 42
                    +1
                    The answer is on the surface: because all anti-vaccination agents, in formation and in step, will begin to stigmatize the authorities for canceling the restrictions (Putin is killing the people). Explosive, but real.

                    The answer is, to put it bluntly: we have taken a good position on the foreign policy front in terms of Sputnik, and to curtail vaccination inside the country means losing this position. We need it to resist on the world stage, which in turn is needed to expand the markets for our products and unequal exchange in our favor. In general, it is all too early to stop the covid hysteria that for the sake of jeans to destroy the USSR.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 12 November 2021 11: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Flanke
                      power for abolishing restrictions

                      And these restrictions have been canceled in fact. For some reason, you can fly to different Egypt-Turkey, but not to Crimea. There are a lot of restrictions, and the incidence is growing. Putin announced a lockdown, and in the Samara region the governor closed large shopping centers, but drove everyone to work in overcrowded transport. The result is that before the lochdown there were 1100 cases per day, now 1800.
                      Quote: Flanke
                      it is necessary to expand the markets for our products

                      What products? Satellite v? So he is not recognized in normal countries, every riffraff takes him, and even then, in the same Argentina they said that he had more side effects than Eurovaccines.
                      Quote: Flanke
                      stop covid hysteria

                      That's right, it needs to be pumped up so that the people are completely lost.
                      In Soviet textbooks on epidemiology, Russians in white paper say that at the time of an epidemic it is categorically impossible to vaccinate. But will Ginzburg even stop this if such money is at stake?

                      But ginzburg is so, small fry. Both the golikova and the unsinkable redhead, etc., have a share in the production of the satellite.
                      1. Flank
                        Flank 12 November 2021 13: 20
                        0
                        In fact, they have not been canceled. The people feel them, but if you cancel them so that the people stop feeling that they are flirting with, then there will be a sense.

                        Sputnik is one of the offensive fronts and, of course, does not solve it by itself. But the front is important. Moreover, we have great success in this area. And this despite the fact that the world bureaucracy is not on our side, to put it mildly.

                        This is not said in textbooks on epideiology. It says undesirable. But since the virus is new, there is no way to prepare for it in advance. So we apply. In the USSR, anti-axers would be planted and everyone would be vaccinated in two months. And the pressure of vaccination to mutate the virus would be minimal. And then it wouldn't have happened at all.
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 12 November 2021 16: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Flanke
                        In the USSR, anti-axers would be planted and everyone would be vaccinated in two months.

                        Exactly ! IN USSR ! Some people just cannot understand the simple truth - people are not afraid of vaccination as a process, but of the slurry that will be poured into them. When I was vaccinated in the USSR, my parents knew that this was a proven high-quality vaccine, and not something stuck together in 3 months and did not pass a full set of tests. Such a trifle, why is Kovivak nowhere? Isn't it because it was created according to the Soviet formula, these are, of course, rumors, but they say that Kovivak goes only to the top echelon.
                      3. Flank
                        Flank 15 November 2021 15: 17
                        0
                        Kovivak protects weaker. The satellite has already, thank God, passed a full set of tests. Moreover, it was not made in three months, but on the basis of Soviet technology, verified over decades.
        2. I am not a robot
          I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 10
          -4
          volunteers first tested the same vaccine, they took part in studies, and they were controlled, most likely she is one of them
      2. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 11 November 2021 10: 45
        +1
        like old, should be already smart, but you ask some questions ... well, let's just say not well thought out ... should you voice the names or will you name them yourself? winked
    2. ALARI
      ALARI 11 November 2021 08: 32
      +5
      One of the new absurd decisions - a colleague was sick in the hospital, the other day he came, he says, he himself was vaccinated (in the spring), when he was discharged he was not vaccinated, but the documents, no, not vaccinated, period, and was discharged with such a mark. These statistics are combed, the vaccinated do not get sick. And what kind of faith to them after this?
      1. I am not a robot
        I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 13
        -5
        paid for the certificate, didn't give injections, that's the result, in the spring it cost us only 4000 rubles, now I don't know
        1. ALARI
          ALARI 11 November 2021 11: 54
          +2
          No, I did, the doctors themselves say we cannot do such an order in words.
      2. Antonina Ignatenko
        Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 12: 38
        0
        a colleague was sick in the hospital, the other day he came, he says, he himself was vaccinated (in the spring), when he was discharged he was not vaccinated, but the documents, no, not vaccinated, period, and they were discharged with such a mark. These statistics are combed, the vaccinated do not get sick. And what kind of faith to them after this?
        Apparently, primary care physicians are generally prohibited from collecting information about vaccinated patients. Several times I met stories on the network about how a person got vaccinated, then got sick, went to the doctor, and he didn't even ask if he was vaccinated or not. If there was no direct prohibition, any doctor would simply ask, out of human curiosity, no?

        In general, the fact that there is vaccination for the sake of vaccination is also shown by cheating with statistics in the UK. They trumpet that after vaccination the mortality rate dropped from 1000 to 40 people a day, but in fact the secret is in the way statistics are kept. There, everyone who died within 28 days of diagnosis is recorded as victims of covid. At the beginning of the "pandemic", this provided a high statistical mortality, since the diagnosis was made two weeks after the onset of symptoms. But this spring, home rapid tests appeared on the market, and the time for making a diagnosis was reduced by these very two weeks. That is, now the covid does not fit into the standard of 28 days, people can die with the same frequency, but formally this happens later than 28 days after receiving the diagnosis, and they do not fall into the mortality statistics. But what does this mean? - That someone from the very beginning knew how long it took from infection to death, that vaccination would be useless, but that these rapid tests would be introduced and it would be possible to create the appearance of a sharp improvement after vaccination. That is, everything was planned in advance.
        1. ALARI
          ALARI 11 November 2021 12: 56
          +2
          Lies in everything.
    3. Flank
      Flank 11 November 2021 12: 51
      -6
      Quote: Dalny V
      the authorities make some absolutely strange, sometimes downright absurd decisions

      They gave you a vaccine, do you also call this an absurd decision? The anti-Axis are doing absurdity, it is because of them that the authorities have to behave this way. Because everyone has become bright, unique, highly developed personalities.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 November 2021 06: 05
    -4
    And most of the population, as the main driver of the madness happening in the country, will continue to look for new justifications for their primordially democratic slogan “my body is my business”.
    One thing is good that it's not some kind of plague.
    1. bairat
      bairat 11 November 2021 06: 23
      +15
      Yes, ush, the plague would have killed us for sure. A familiar dentist got together with his family on vacation in Turkey. Well, as if a mandatory convention - to pass the PCR test in three days. In one of the daughters, the analysis showed covid. And what, passed the vouchers and sat on self-isolation? Of course not, bought this test and let's go.
      1. I am not a robot
        I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 16
        +2
        then this girl will infect the floor of the plane, the floor of the airport of the departure point and a bunch of people, and we will talk about what the authorities are doing, how they are fighting the epidemic
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 November 2021 06: 24
    +23
    from which the hair on the head moves. 61% of Russians surveyed still believe in the weapons-grade origin of the coronavirus.

    Well, what do you want, the author? After the daily lies from the "high spheres" at the world level, the population developed "antibodies" to propaganda. Usually, "in difficult cases", the state understood the rate by 2 times or "forgave" pensions. And here the "soldiers of Ginzburg" suddenly show costly concern for the "orphaned and the poor." At the same time, migrants, charters and championships, partner resorts are taken out of the quarantine measures. Yes, and "Ekaterina", this time, was not so public in her vaccination. laughing
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 November 2021 07: 37
      +3
      "antibodies" to propaganda
      good That's it!
    2. Ilya22558
      Ilya22558 11 November 2021 09: 55
      +4
      "... the more affectionate, more helpful the wife is, the more nasty she cooks for her husband"
      Ark. Averchenko.
    3. Antonina Ignatenko
      Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 12: 43
      0
      61% of Russians surveyed still believe in the weapons-grade origin of the coronavirus.
      So the Americans have already admitted that this covid 19 is of laboratory origin, and that they financed its development. Moreover, all the moves were recorded, since scientific articles were published for each "breakthrough" in this direction, which are in the public domain. True, when they are asked the question "You have created a covid" on the forehead, the answer is "No". As in the humoresque in Galustyan about Masha and the bears.
  6. Li17
    Li17 11 November 2021 06: 31
    -5
    The article is smart. But you can also add an economic almost lockdown, price increases and the usual fuss in the echelons of power with the conviction that we, as usual, show efficiency by reducing (optimizing) what is not necessary!
  7. Konnick
    Konnick 11 November 2021 06: 35
    +15
    The Golikovs, the Gunzburgs and the authorities in general were lying out of confusion. Such a good mine with a bad game.
    Lockdown ... Moscow ... closed restaurants, hairdressers, closed and vaccination points good ... And the meaning of the lockdown? You can't go to work, but you can go to public transport. The vaccine does not protect against illness, but Gunzburg is awarded the order. Satellite V is not recognized by WHO, but we are promised.
    The premiums to doctors in the red zone are envious of colleagues and the impression is that doctors and vaccine manufacturers are interested in continuing this hype. And how the situation with the bans is beneficial to the authorities, how the elections are defeated, the elections are over, no, rallies are not allowed, there is an infection.
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 November 2021 19: 02
      +1
      Quote: Konnick
      You can't go to work, but you can use public transport.

      This is exactly the case in Samara.
  8. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 November 2021 06: 35
    -13
    And we just went, got vaccinated and the head does not hurt by stuffing our heads with some kind of schemes.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 November 2021 06: 54
      +3
      Quote: carstorm 11
      And we just went, got vaccinated and the head does not hurt by stuffing our heads with some kind of schemes.

      Well done .. just why include fascism .. let everyone decide for himself ..
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 11 November 2021 07: 35
        +4
        [quote = carstorm 11] And we just went, got vaccinated and my head doesn't hurt by stuffing our heads with some kind of schemes. [/ quote]
        [/ Quote]
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 November 2021 07: 56
        -6
        Yes, they have already decided ... and what does fascism have to do with it?
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 11 November 2021 09: 53
          +4
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and what does fascism have to do with it?

          Moreover, dear! Who ignores the rights and freedoms of people?
          Let's start with our favorite constitution.
          Article 21.
          2. No one should be subjected to torture, violence, other cruel or degrading treatment or punishment. No one can be without voluntary consent is subjected to medical, scientific or other experiments.
          Vaccines, by the way, are experimental. Murashko himself said

          Article 15
          The Constitution of the Russian Federation has supreme legal force, direct effect and is applied throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, Laws and other legal acts adopted on the territory of the Russian Federation must not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          How to understand the decisions of sanitary doctors that violate the constitution?

          Article 56
          n. 3. The rights and freedoms provided for in Articles 20, 21, 23 (part 1) ... of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are not subject to restrictions.
          I am generally silent about violations of bylaws
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 11 November 2021 10: 21
            -6
            Well, apparently when the war starts, for example, you will run in the other direction, relying on the constitution instead of a bomb shelter? Well, your right to freedom of movement and all that. Well this is your life. do whatever you want. By the way, in my childhood we were given vaccinations for children right at school and parents didn’t even fool with the consent of their parents. You are sitting in the classroom, come and voila. That's the same horror right?
            1. for
              for 11 November 2021 11: 14
              -1
              Quote: carstorm 11
              instead of a bomb shelter, run to the other side?

              Stay at home on TV nightingales.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 52
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Well, apparently when the war starts, for example, you are relying on the constitution instead of a bomb shelter

              And if the meteorite falls, and if the tsunami washes away, and many, many "ifs." It is necessary to proceed from the realities: if such a pandemic, then why the emergency situation is not introduced, why the country does not close, why is the international air transportation expanding?
              So what a war here!
              Although the question is interesting: when the people are given a machine gun, where will these people go?
            3. New Year day
              New Year day 11 November 2021 11: 52
              -1
              Quote: carstorm 11
              By the way, in my childhood we were given vaccinations for children right at school and parents didn’t even fool with the consent of their parents.

              And what's good? Maybe your parents are not a decree at all?
              1. atalef
                atalef 11 November 2021 11: 56
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: carstorm 11
                By the way, in my childhood we were given vaccinations for children right at school and parents didn’t even fool with the consent of their parents.

                And what's good? Maybe your parents are not a decree at all?

                that is, is it necessary to vaccinate a child against smallpox or polymeilitis with the permission of the parents? What if they refuse? How does this compare with the rights of a child who cannot protect himself from serious illnesses. and parents, because of their religious or other convictions, neglect his health?
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 November 2021 12: 25
                  -2
                  Quote: atalef
                  i.e. whether the child should be vaccinated against smallpox

                  The smallpox vaccine is 100% effective and prevents the disease .. And here the situation is different .. Here even Ginzburg does not guarantee you anything .. You will still get sick despite the vaccine, you can also die from covid, despite the fact that you were vaccinated , the only thing .. and it’s not exactly, perhaps you will endure the disease easier .. BUT no one guarantees.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 November 2021 12: 39
                    +1
                    Complications from these vaccinations do not seem to bother you much?) But the point is in them)
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 11 November 2021 12: 29
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  that is, is it necessary to vaccinate a child against smallpox or polymeilitis with the permission of the parents?

                  That's right, according to the law
                  Quote: atalef
                  How does this compare with the rights of a child who cannot protect himself from serious illnesses. and parents, because of their religious or other convictions, neglect his health?

                  There is
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 11 November 2021 12: 34
                +1
                What does this have to do with it?) I say to put the vaccine consent was not asked even by parents)
            4. Aag
              Aag 11 November 2021 14: 23
              -1
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Well, apparently when the war starts, for example, you will run in the other direction, relying on the constitution instead of a bomb shelter? Well, your right to freedom of movement and all that. Well this is your life. do whatever you want. By the way, in my childhood we were given vaccinations for children right at school and parents didn’t even fool with the consent of their parents. You are sitting in the classroom, come and voila. That's the same horror right?

              The difference is that in the USSR, even out of ... an idiot, they tried to make a Man, and now, on the contrary, their every man ...
      3. I am not a robot
        I am not a robot 11 November 2021 11: 22
        0
        so the commentator wrote to himself that he was vaccinated and that's it, and to include fascism here ... everyone decides for himself, he decided so
        ps. and for what they instructed him cons
      4. Flank
        Flank 11 November 2021 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        just why include fascism ... let everyone decide for himself

        You probably want to decide for yourself against measles too. You don't seem to have children.
    2. Antonina Ignatenko
      Antonina Ignatenko 11 November 2021 12: 44
      +1
      And we just went, got vaccinated and the head does not hurt by stuffing our heads with some kind of schemes.
      Oh, you’re the dream of any corrupt democracy: they eat what they give, do what they say, work while they can and die when they can no longer work.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 November 2021 15: 09
        +2
        Is it better in your opinion? Is there anything you can catch, do what your left leg wants and die from cirrhosis of the liver?) If you are an anarchist, this does not mean that others should be. And so you are right. I'm an officer. I was born in this environment and I have all the qualities that made my family what they are for almost 300 years. Dynasty.
      2. Alf
        Alf 11 November 2021 19: 06
        +1
        Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
        And we just went, got vaccinated and the head does not hurt by stuffing our heads with some kind of schemes.
        Oh, you’re the dream of any corrupt democracy: they eat what they give, do what they say, work while they can and die when they can no longer work.

  9. Serge-667
    Serge-667 11 November 2021 06: 38
    +4
    Doesn't it seem to you, gentlemen, comrades, that they have dirtied our brains too much with all these crowns and kovivaks?
    1. Orang
      Orang 11 November 2021 12: 20
      -1
      Kovivaka, exactly. and you will not find it.
      1. Serge-667
        Serge-667 11 November 2021 12: 22
        0
        By the way, yes. According to reviews, I heard that it is more reliable. But .. Even if you demand, they will not be injected with fire during the day.
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 11 November 2021 15: 31
        +2
        I found and grafted into it. In some clinics they do it, and for free, but they simply do not advertise the presence so that there are no crowds. Kovivak is not enough for everyone.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 11 November 2021 06: 44
    +7
    And most of the population, as the main driver of the madness happening in the country, will continue to look for new justifications for their primordially democratic slogan "my body is my business"
    Again the people are to blame.
    1. Flank
      Flank 11 November 2021 12: 55
      -6
      It is exclusively the people who are to blame. I speak with knowledge of the matter as I watched the anti-Akser hysteria from the depths of the people.
  11. Alex66
    Alex66 11 November 2021 06: 45
    +11
    Who will believe our leadership, which adopts decrees against citizens, where there is an organized discussion of the issue on TV with an equal presentation of time to those who are in favor of the vaccine and those who are against it?
    Why are we called anti-axers, we are against a specific vaccination that has not passed all the tests, where are there guarantees that the thalidomide tragedy will not happen again in the future? Already now, in our city, local officials are proposing to expel those who have not been vaccinated from the city, tk. they are afraid that we will infect them. Vaccinated what are you afraid of? The fact that not everyone will die (you are not alone). You have made your choice, we are ours. If you want to convince, talk, and do not intimidate.
    1. Flank
      Flank 11 November 2021 12: 56
      -6
      We talked with you for six months, and you just turn your nose up. You are responsible for all these deaths, not the officials.
  12. Konnick
    Konnick 11 November 2021 06: 46
    -2
    Due to the fact that the vaccinated also get sick, but in a milder form, or even asymptomatic, there is an increase in the incidence. It is the vaccinated who become the main distributors of the virus.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2021 07: 07
      0
      Quote: Konnick
      Due to the fact that the vaccinated also get sick, but in a milder form, or even asymptomatic, there is an increase in the incidence. It is the vaccinated who become the main distributors of the virus.

      Well, this is absolutely from a sore head to a healthy one.
      In general, everyone spreads the virus in the same way, and vaccination does not exclude infection-disease-infection of others.
      The only thing that the vaccine does is make the course of the disease easier and, in general, the chance of getting into a severe form is reduced by about 10000 times.
      In fact, everyone has to eat for himself.
      In general, if someone is vaccinated, what does he generally care about the unvaccinated?
      Well, he dies, let him die, everyone's personal choice .. As they say, the sheriff's Indians do not care about the problem.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 11 November 2021 07: 17
        +3
        In general, everyone spreads the virus the same.

        And how to explain the simultaneous increase in the number of vaccinated and sick?
        They rub in to us that the vaccinated are easier to tolerate the disease, and where it is easier there on their feet, it means they are tolerated. Vaccinated people do not wear masks in transport and shops, they are immortal ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 November 2021 08: 02
          +1
          Quote: Konnick
          And how to explain the simultaneous increase in the number of vaccinated and sick?

          the number of tests performed.
          More tests - more identified patients. You need to look at the figure - the percentage of positive tests from the total number - this gives a more or less real picture.
          And of course it is worth taking into account - autumn, seasonal weakening of immunity, a great crowding of people.

          Quote: Konnick
          We are rubbed in that the vaccinated are easier to tolerate the disease.

          of course and it's true
          Quote: Konnick
          and where it is easier there on your feet it means they endure.

          of course they do, it's like the flu.
          Quote: Konnick
          Vaccinated people do not wear masks in transport and shops, they are immortals.

          be vaccinated and the likelihood of avoiding severe development of the disease increases by almost 2 orders of magnitude.
          All the same, sooner or later everyone will get sick.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 11 November 2021 09: 00
            +3
            be vaccinated and the likelihood of avoiding severe development of the disease increases by almost 2 orders of magnitude.

            Do you have to believe this?
            Where the data comes from, you can prove it.
          2. Aag
            Aag 11 November 2021 14: 36
            -1
            "... And, of course, it is worth taking into account - autumn, seasonal weakening of immunity, great crowding of people ...."
            Plus ARVI, flu, another wave ... And at the same time from all the irons: "Get vaccinated !!"
        2. Skay
          Skay 11 November 2021 08: 56