The State Duma gave the right to retired naval officers to wear daggers for life without a permit

The State Duma allowed retired Russian naval officers to wear a dagger for life as part of their dress clothes. At the same time, you do not need to issue a permit for this.

The new bill was adopted by the State Duma deputies in the second reading. He amends Article 19 of the Law "On weapons". According to these amendments, daggers, as part of the dress clothes of military sailors, will not be subject to registration with special bodies of the Russian Guard. Thus, special permission for storage and wearing is not required for daggers. In the current version of the law, retired officers were required to register weapons within two weeks. place of residence.

(...) taking into account the purpose of the transfer of daggers and their purpose (life-long storage and wearing with a military uniform, observance of military traditions and rituals), it is advisable to establish the procedure for their circulation without keeping records in the Russian Guard

- said in the explanatory note to the bill.

It is specified that daggers are provided to retired officers of the Russian Navy for life-long wear on request and in the absence of diseases in which possession of a weapon is contraindicated.

Note that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the issue of officer daggers was raised several times. First signed by Yeltsin in 1996, the new law "On weapons" recognized the dagger as a melee weapon and its wearing required a special permit. In 2010, the dagger was removed from the list of personal weapons of midshipmen and officers altogether, and in 2013 a new Manual on weapons accounting was approved, which required, upon dismissal from military service, to hand over a dagger and other weapons to the warehouse of a military unit on invoices.

Subsequently, the right to wear a dagger to retired officers was returned, but ordered to register daggers with the territorial departments of the Russian Guard.

Comments

[Bez 310]

Well, now let's live!

[210ox]

Why is this your pearl? For military people, this is a tradition, an order. Here we decided correctly. Not like a pension.

[Ross xnumx]

The State Duma gave the right to retired naval officers to wear daggers for life without a permit

The most important thing is that now the sons do not exchange daggers for watches ...

[Stepan S]

[The most important thing is that now the sons do not exchange daggers for watches ... [
Those. before this decision they had no need for it, but now it will appear? What's the connection?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Stepan S

Those. before this decision they had no need for it, but now it will appear?

Before this decision, their fathers did not have daggers, but now they will.

Quote: Stepan S

What's the connection?

The connection here is the most obvious:

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[Stepan S]

Before this decision, their fathers did not have daggers, but now they will.

There were daggers, but it was necessary to register in the former licensing system, and now the National Guard, as a cold weapon.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Stepan S

There were daggers, but it was necessary to register

Are we going to fight in nuances now? I quote:

For the first time, the topic of the removal of daggers from the naval officers leaving the reserve was loudly sounded at the annual press conference of Vladimir Putin back in 2015. Then the captain of the first rank of the reserve Sergei Gorbachev said that confiscated personal edged weapons, which are part of the dress uniform.

[Shurik70]

Since 1996, the problem has dragged on.
Yeltsin equated the dagger with melee weapons that year.
Since then, the problems began.

[Azis]

It's easier for sons to steal money than exchange / sale

[igor67]

After the war, daggers were also given to the officers of the ground forces, as with them, although there are hardly any living ones, my great-uncle ended the war as a colonel and he had a dagger at home

[Avior]

I had a neighbor, a war veteran, a colonel from the Marine Corps, the uniform was naval, with a dagger (although there was no hand).
Of the land-based, I don't remember any of the veterans being worn with dirks.
Although daggers in the 30s were common as an element of the form, and even not only among military sailors, but also among other military men, diplomats, railroad workers, sailors of the river fleet.

However, the uniform was worn by officers who had the right, modern, and not the war years

[Xnumx vis]

I have two daggers in my family. Parental. ... Memory and posterity as an example!

[Bogalex]

In the 30s, daggers were not common even in the Navy, since they were not worn with a dress uniform - they were not relied on.
As an element of the dress uniform of ALL officers and generals, and not just the Navy, they were introduced in 1949, and lost their ubiquitous importance in 1969, after 20 years.
Personally, I think that the exclusive prerogative of the Navy for the right to wear daggers is unfair. The dagger is a rudiment of a sword / saber / checker and should be relied on to all officers as a sign of their personal honor and dignity, regardless of the type or branch of the Armed Forces.

[Vladimir Mitin_2]

The navy dagger as an element of the dress uniform, in some cases, as the armament of the duty officer or midshipman, has never been abolished since its introduction to the Navy, and when discharged into the reserve with the right to wear a uniform, an entry was made on the military card - the number of the dagger and was an accessory dress uniform

[Terenin]

Quote: Avior

I had a neighbor, a war veteran, a colonel from the Marine Corps, the uniform was naval, with a dagger (although there was no hand).
Of the land-based, I don't remember any of the veterans being worn with dirks.
Although daggers in the 30s were common as an element of the form, and even not only among military sailors, but also among other military men, diplomats, railroad workers, sailors of the river fleet.

However, the uniform was worn by officers who had the right, modern, and not the war years

Who doesn't like this? For interesting information you will be minus

[Prisoner]

Who how will heal their case. But the decision was correct, for it was useless to offend naval officers and warrant officers. The Armed Forces are based on traditions.

[fruc]

Well, now let's live!

You mean fun and not boring? Or do you expect from the State Duma a law to lower the price of sausage? I don’t understand your sarcasm.

[Orkraider]

Congratulations on this event to all those involved. In fact, no matter what they say, it is from such trifles that respect for the Service class is formed.
Once again, congratulations to all those who deserve a dagger!

[nemez]

If only it was not used later for what it was created

[210ox]

For what you mean it is easier to use a fork rather than a dagger. It is rather inconvenient to strike.

[Azis]

Neither cut nor prick. You cannot pull out of the scabbard without a button, the handle is slippery and uncomfortable

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: 210ox

For what you mean it is easier to use a fork rather than a dagger. It is rather inconvenient to strike.

The steel on the old daggers is good. At a very young age, my friend and I decided to fight with a dagger and a cleaver. There are light marks on the dagger, the cleaver was chopped up concretely. musketeers damn it! Then they decided to cut through the nail (weaving). Then my father somehow pulled the dagger out of its scabbard and ... for a long time what was below my back hurt and itched ...

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Although not a sailor, I fully support! Let him stay close, even as a sea talisman or amulet. Health to everyone who deserves a dagger!

[Terran ghost]

and develops respect for the Service class

Well, there are no estates in our country since 1917, and praise be to the Creator for that.
But the decision itself is more than correct. The dagger is part of the dress uniform of the officer of the Navy. And if a naval officer is enlisted in the reserve or retired with the right to wear a military uniform (and this is a form of reward, if anything), then logically he should have the right to wear a dagger with the appropriate uniform.

[knn54]

Dirk forever!

[BARKAS]

Che, I didn’t understand the Cossack mummers could wear a cold weapon with a uniform, but the sailors didn’t have a dagger?

[Flooding]

Quote: BARKAS

Che, I didn’t understand the Cossack mummers could wear a cold weapon with a uniform, but the sailors didn’t have a dagger?

interest Ask
I'm not sure that Cossacks and "Cossacks" can easily carry edged weapons

[Stepan S]

Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 03.09.2001 N 648 (as amended on 10.09.2016) "On cold bladed weapons intended for wearing with Cossack uniforms"

2. To establish that members of Cossack societies who are not undergoing military service, entered in the state register of Cossack societies in the Russian Federation, are allowed to wear cold bladed weapons with a ceremonial Cossack uniform in the manner prescribed by the Rules for the registration and wearing of cold bladed weapons intended to be worn with a Cossack uniform. ...

Imagine, yes they can, there is a whole document on this matter.

[Flooding]

Quote: Stepan S

Imagine, yes they can

you missed important points of the "Rules for accounting and wearing cold bladed weapons intended to be worn with a Cossack uniform"

point 2
...
carry a cold bladed weapon with a ceremonial Cossack uniform if there are permits for the storage and carrying of such weapons issued by the federal executive body authorized in the sphere of arms circulation, or by its territorial bodies.

point 3
a) at official meetings of the President of the Russian Federation, heads of the highest bodies of state power, Heroes of the Soviet Union and Heroes of the Russian Federation.
b) when appointing to the guard of honor, taking the Cossack oath, preparing for and participating in parades, ceremonies, events held by federal executive authorities, state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local self-government bodies on public holidays of the Russian Federation, as well as holidays of the Cossack troops and during the field reviews
c) by the decision of the head of a military or district (detachment) Cossack society, agreed with the executive authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, as well as the territorial bodies of the federal executive body authorized in the sphere of arms turnover.

sometimes it is useful to read not selectively

[Obliterator]

Quote: Flood

sometimes it is useful to read not selectively

Yes, there half of them, according to the documents, the checker is not an XO, but a souvenir. In fact, these are high-quality alloy steel products, hardened as necessary and sharpened like razors.

[carstorm 11]

A souvenir? If she is imprisoned she is no longer like that. It will be withdrawn immediately. The wearer will have a lot of problems.

[Obliterator]

Quote: carstorm 11

A souvenir? If she is imprisoned she is no longer like that. It will be withdrawn immediately. The wearer will have a lot of problems.

And who is competent enough to distinguish XO from non-XO? Only an EKP expert who has an admission to independently produce expert examinations in this area. An ordinary PPS soldier or a district police officer in these matters is not a boom-boom, and if I put a certificate under his nose that this is not an XO, but a souvenir and sports equipment in general, then he most likely will not understand. Especially if this is not a Cossack region. So it goes. And yes, wearing a cold one will not bring any troubles except for a fine on administrative matters.

[carstorm 11]

They usually just take them away. And after the check, whether they return it or not) my mother has been dealing with antiques for 25 years already) We went through everything))) Even searches of the house)

[Stepan S]

a police officer or a district police officer in these matters is not a boom-boom, and if I shove him under his nose a certificate that this is not an XO, but a souvenir and sports equipment in general, then he most likely will not understand.

Yes, the PPS soldier will not understand, but will seize this item and send it for research in the EKP.

[Reserve buildbat]

Nobody takes anything away, although they should. So mummers clowns with checkers and whips are hanging around the streets. And if I buy a whip, they will withdraw it right away, because no way. I'm not talking about the checker.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Do not think about the mummers on a serious website dedicated to the army, please!

[farm2009]

Well, now this injustice has been eliminated, I understand that you have forgotten that these "mummers" were among the first to go to fight in the Donbass.

[yfast]

The main thing is not to wear them in restaurants.

[tralflot1832]

In the Arctic Murmansk, in the USSR, if the crew of the Severomorians walked after the campaign, the atmosphere was festive, like at an officer's festive ball in the good old days, and the girls squeaked from unmarried naval officers.

[svp67]

It is specified that daggers are provided to retired officers of the Russian Navy for life-long wear on request and in the absence of diseases in which possession of a weapon is contraindicated.

Great...

[tralflot1832]

I sincerely congratulate the officers of the Navy. Kortic is issued once and for life !!!

[Andrey1966]

..... but it's better to hide the dagger !.

[alystan]

The State Duma thinks the Duma, they do not "know" what to do with their loved ones.
They "created" a ban on daggers, now they are allowed - like they are busy with important things for the country.
What non-material and offensive words on the site are allowed, or even the mention of the gray. "Someone" is strenuously and regularly overwritten in my comments? What's wrong with the word bearded and horned, which our beloved wives often "reward" us with? And in the Duma, it seems that the representatives of the horned and hornless are entirely represented ...

[ODERVIT]

For a new convocation "test of the pen"?
While the test.

[tank66]

Moreman - salud and uvazhuha. Can tankers wear a masha / sledgehammer / for life?

[alystan]

Only not salud, but salute then. And then because of my eyesight I almost read the salad ...
I myself am a naval, but without a dagger (I served only urgently). But many problems in our life can only be solved by "a little mash and some kind of mother", where there is nothing to do with a dagger!

[Azis]

This is in Spanish Portuguese - hello!

[tank66]

fireworks and vivat !!!! so zhist made me a tanker, but she somehow joked - and I was sitting on the rocks of Hirano / this is near Sakhalin, on karbas /. in short, I have the right to wear a small knife

[Baloo]

Not a sailor, and finally a civilian. How many years this humiliating fuss lasted? Congratulations to the Moremans, fair wind, seven feet under the keel, and good luck everywhere and always!

[Basarev]

You can wear it, you can not use it.

[Obliterator]

Quote: Basarev

You can wear it, you can not use it.

What use is it when it has always been only a status weapon.

[hhurik]

Status, you say?

In the Moscow region, the police detained a retired naval officer who is suspected of killing a young man. According to the preliminary version, the deceased demanded money from the pensioner, but was hit with a dagger right in the heart.

A 61-year-old resident of the Leninsky District, Vladimir Kulagin, was under investigation. If his act is recognized as self-defense, then the man will be able to avoid criminal punishment, the newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets writes with reference to the Moscow Interregional Investigation Department for Transport.

According to the investigation launched, on Sunday night at about 2:00, passengers of the Moscow-Kashira electric train told the driver that a fight had taken place in the carriage. When the train approached the platform, a police squad went inside. The patrolmen saw a young man lying unconscious on the floor.

Eyewitnesses also immediately pointed to an elderly man who, according to them, stabbed the victim with a knife. The blade hit right in the heart. The police detained the suspect, who turned out to be Vladimir Kulagin.

On March 12, the pensioner was staying with the children, and at a late hour he went home. The man served in the navy from an early age, finished his career more than 10 years ago as a midshipman in the electronic warfare and intelligence unit. From the very demobilization, the former sailor did not part with his faithful dirk, the newspaper writes.

According to the suspect, during the trip, one of the passengers approached him and demanded money. Hearing a very rude refusal from the elderly man, the young man hit him on the head. In response, a retired scout and thrust a blade into him.

According to the killer, he only wanted to scare the offender.

We add that at the time of his arrest, Vladimir Kulagin was in a state of alcoholic intoxication.

More details: https://www.newsru.com/crime/15mar2011/sailcutrobelectra.html

[Obliterator]

Quote: hhurik

Status, you say?

In the Moscow region, the police detained a retired naval officer who is suspected of killing a young man. According to the preliminary version, the deceased demanded money from the pensioner, but was hit with a dagger right in the heart.

A 61-year-old resident of the Leninsky District, Vladimir Kulagin, was under investigation. If his act is recognized as self-defense, then the man will be able to avoid criminal punishment, the newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets writes with reference to the Moscow Interregional Investigation Department for Transport.

According to the investigation launched, on Sunday night at about 2:00, passengers of the Moscow-Kashira electric train told the driver that a fight had taken place in the carriage. When the train approached the platform, a police squad went inside. The patrolmen saw a young man lying unconscious on the floor.

Eyewitnesses also immediately pointed to an elderly man who, according to them, stabbed the victim with a knife. The blade hit right in the heart. The police detained the suspect, who turned out to be Vladimir Kulagin.

On March 12, the pensioner was staying with the children, and at a late hour he went home. The man served in the navy from an early age, finished his career more than 10 years ago as a midshipman in the electronic warfare and intelligence unit. From the very demobilization, the former sailor did not part with his faithful dirk, the newspaper writes.

According to the suspect, during the trip, one of the passengers approached him and demanded money. Hearing a very rude refusal from the elderly man, the young man hit him on the head. In response, a retired scout and thrust a blade into him.

According to the killer, he only wanted to scare the offender.

We add that at the time of his arrest, Vladimir Kulagin was in a state of alcoholic intoxication.

More details: https://www.newsru.com/crime/15mar2011/sailcutrobelectra.html

This is just a household stabbing, for which the owner of the dagger will soon sit down. The dagger is issued to naval officers as a symbol of status, and not to defeat the enemy's manpower, since the era of boarding with edged weapons is a thing of the past, and even then they did not use daggers, but sabers, axes and pikes.

[hhurik]

You forgot to mention the bayonet, the era is not the same, Elon Musk's luminous ships plow the expanses of the universe, why are bayonets on bullets at such times? A completely useless thing, yeah.
You read the text inattentively, because - since when did the midshipman become an officer? And the police seemed to have sunk into oblivion - like boarding, a wooden leg and a swearing parrot on the shoulder of a retiree.
He served his midshipman, has already left, probably - well, or died on a bunker, not the point, age and health undermined by a surrogate does not contribute to survival.
But here's a "status" device - it worked very well for its intended purpose. For the defeat of manpower.

[Obliterator]

Quote: hhurik

You forgot to mention the bayonet, the era is not the same, Elon Musk's luminous ships plow the expanses of the universe, why are bayonets on bullets at such times? A completely useless thing, yeah.
You read the text inattentively, because - since when did the midshipman become an officer? And the police seemed to have sunk into oblivion - like boarding, a wooden leg and a swearing parrot on the shoulder of a retiree.
He served his midshipman, has already left, probably - well, or died on a bunker, not the point, age and health undermined by a surrogate does not contribute to survival.
But here's a "status" device - it worked very well for its intended purpose. For the defeat of manpower.

The immediate purpose of the dagger at the moment is to demonstrate the status of a person as a naval officer. Few people consider it as a weapon of self-defense. And yes, it doesn't matter to me who used this dagger and how they got it. Recently, here is my colleague, a forensic expert of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the capture of a maniac rapist, he received the most honorable reward according to the law: the award with cold weapons. That is, a dirk. But we, employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, are not officers at all by status.

[Azis]

Quote: hhurik

more than 10 years ago as a midshipman

A midshipman's dagger in 2011? And before (in the Soviet Union) it was not, if I was not sick, they received it from the lieutenant. Although, in tsarist Russia ...

[hhurik]

Yes, he stole it in the service, along with other state property, walked in a naval (officer's) tunic on the cars, begged. With the same declassified element, he did not share the lady of reduced social responsibility - and stabbed his opponent during the dispute. Effectively
It is necessary - since such a wave has gone - all servicemen should be allowed to use the cold, why are the seamans only covered. Here in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, too, their daggers are awarded, well, when the pistols in the award fund run out. You can be allowed to carry brass knuckles, entourage and symbolic, do not go to the fortune-teller.

[Azis]

They can reward their own with whatever they want, on all powerful perches. Unfortunately, the awards have already lost their former glory. And weapons will always come in handy on the farm.

[Serg65]

Quote: Azis

if I'm not sick, they received from the lieutenant

Under the alliance, graduates of schools of warrant officers and technicians were given a dagger along with shoulder straps!

[Storog dvornik]

Under the USSR, there were ...

[Overlock]

Quote: hhurik

Hearing a very rude refusal from the elderly man, the young man hit him on the head. In response, a retired scout and thrust a blade into him.

But he did the right thing!

[Obliterator]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: hhurik

Hearing a very rude refusal from the elderly man, the young man hit him on the head. In response, a retired scout and thrust a blade into him.

But he did the right thing!

And he earned himself a time. The defense must correspond to the degree of danger of the attack. If you are beaten with a fist, then you have no right to stab you in response.

[Michael HORNET]

This is where you read such nonsense. Maybe a few videos were watched, where a person receives only one blow to the head - and death

[Obliterator]

Quote: Michael HORNET

This is where you read such nonsense. Maybe a few videos were watched, where a person receives only one blow to the head - and death

Yes, I do not care about these videos, and the court with the prosecutor's office too. I have been watching all this for a year. When there is a fight, and one hits with his fists, and the other responds with a knife, then to a knife cutter or ch1. Article 111 of the Criminal Code, or Part 4 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code if the victim dies. These are the realities.

[Terenin]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: hhurik

Hearing a very rude refusal from the elderly man, the young man hit him on the head. In response, a retired scout and thrust a blade into him.

But he did the right thing!

Because he did not work at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and missed the expression of "deep concern"

[Avior]

I remember reading something about the conflict of one of the sailors who was fired for health reasons, he seemed to have no right to a dagger. I don't know if such cases have been foreseen now.

[Dr_Chimer]

The dagger is the symbol of a naval officer. It's like a cross for the Orthodox. The absolutely correct decision.

[alystan]

Well, you compared, then how are the beads for the Muslims or the kippah for the Jews ?!

[kind]

And my comment was deleted, so I wrote everything correctly, and about the fact that for 6 years they were dragging on with the proposal to leave the daggers to the officers, and about the deputies to whom this is all up to the baldy and retirement of the security forces and their honor and traditions. The moderator of the site apparently went too far, well, yes, GOD IS HIS JUDGE. I will honestly withdraw from the number of VO subscribers, if even here they are not allowed to share what, in general, is not prohibited.

[Gvardeetz77]

If the bill is in the following form: "retired officers", then this will create certain problems ... Either the profile committees of the State Duma do not distinguish "reserve" from "resignation" (which I doubt), or the author does not distinguish between them ( which is more likely, but does no credit to either the author or the subject resource) ...

[Azis]

I didn't know that I had illegally kept the daggers of my grandfather and father ... As if, a priori, it was equated to an award / personalized weapon, why would they hand over them, especially a cold one? Maybe also orders and medals? There is a powerful knife in the kitchen - does the Russian Guard need it? How about Khinshtein, with his dirk?

[Overlock]

That's great! I have a dagger in the safe for a long time - memory

[Flyer_64]

Not even seven years have passed. And the dagger of that tu-tu, Shoigu took away, is now drawn with him at parades. Our country is tough, salaries are being raised, and for pensions, a reduction coefficient is introduced, "for life." During the period of mass layoffs of senior officers from the fleet, the daggers were taken away, according to the law. And now here you wear a dagger, and a reduction factor ????

[tolmachiev51]

We live happily - we accept the "laws" - we cancel !!! this is what the laws are. Although, if you look at the composition of the Duma, you will not be surprised.

[Terenin]

Quote: tolmachiev51

We live happily - we accept the "laws" - we cancel !!! this is what the laws are. Although, if you look at the composition of the Duma, you will not be surprised.

And, can you give an example of highly moral senators and deputies of any other country? (well, for example ... Glad, Congress ...)

[Nitarius]

trifle .. but nice! good luck guys!