With an English accent: Great Britain will build ships for the Ukrainian fleet

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Source: politexpert.net

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The military command of Ukraine highly appreciates the potential of the "small-sized" fleet Iran. For several years, the specialized press has been replete with materials about the high defensive potential of the boats Tir-II, Zolfaghar and Ashura, assigned to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

According to Ukrainian analysts, several dozen of these high-speed vessels are capable of paralyzing the actions of the US 5th Fleet in the Persian and Hormuz Straits. The principle of operation of the "Iranian swarm" is simple and unpretentious - maneuvering at a speed of up to 50 knots, the boats approach the carrier warrant at a missile attack distance and destroy key targets. Of course, some of the ships from the swarm will inevitably die, but the final American damage is not comparable to the Iranian losses. This is what the Iranian sailors think, the Ukrainian Navy is dreaming about it now.



Kiev strategists extrapolate the logic of the confrontation between the Iranians and the Americans to the situation with the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. If it is not possible to build a ship group of similar power, then it is necessary to secure yourself at least near the coastal zone. In the Ukrainian version, this is 360 kilometers of sovereign coastal water area, stuffed with corvettes, missile boats, minesweepers and patrol vessels. On the shore of the enemy will be waiting for the "Neptune" complexes with anti-ship RK-360MTS. If the turmoil takes on a completely tragic character, the Armed Forces are counting on the help of the powers of the NATO bloc.

At the same time, the Ukrainian command is well aware that a hypothetical war with Russia will not begin at all at sea. First of all, the battles will unfold in the air and on land, and already in the second - near the Black Sea coast.

The national interests of Ukraine in this matter are reflected as accurately as possible in the "Strategy 2035" adopted several years ago. In May of this year, the strategic document was slightly finalized, accelerating the adoption of the mosquito fleet by 2025. First of all, they decided to hurry up with the corvettes, which were waiting at the final stage of the strategy implementation - by 2035.

The problem is that the Ukrainians have completely forgotten how to build even mosquito-class ships. The British are ready to help in this matter.

London may


Any military-technical cooperation with Kiev is viewed by Great Britain not only as an opportunity to earn money, but also once again to destabilize relations with Russia.

Therefore, Boris Johnson accepted Zelensky's request with enthusiasm, they say, "we will help as much as we can." On June 21, a memorandum on maritime partnership between Ukraine and Great Britain was signed aboard the same destroyer of the Royal Navy "Defender", which was almost sunk off the coast of Crimea. It happened in Odessa in the presence of the Minister for Defense Procurement of the United Kingdom Jeremy Quinn and the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksandr Mironyuk.

The main contractor of the orders is the British office "Babcock", which specializes, among other things, in the development of military ships.

The Ukrainians are going to buy a lot - at least two Sandown-class minesweepers, which the British were about to retire, will come to the fleet. After all, ships have been in service since 1989.

And now the minesweepers are being modernized at Scottish shipyards, Ukrainian crews will be trained and sent to serve in the Black Sea.


Sandown-class minesweeper. Source: mil.in.ua

There are also plans to develop missile boats for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, build two in Great Britain, and six more in Ukraine.

British specialists are planned to be involved in the construction of two new naval bases near Ochakov and in Berdyansk.

Vadim Prystaiko, Ukrainian ambassador to London, states:

"These will be two completely new ports that our military and our navy are so lacking."

Quite vaguely they talk in the Kiev Foreign Ministry about the supply of some British anti-ship missiles.

Of course, there are many plans, but Kiev simply does not have money for this and is not expected in the near future.

Aid again came from London in the form of a £ 1,25 billion loan over 10 years. This is a common practice among the world's arms suppliers.

On the one hand, by financing the "banana republics" in this way, countries guarantee their military-industrial complex orders, on the other, they get a loyal buyer for the future. Further delivered weapon someone will have to service, repair, maintain the infrastructure.

Most likely, least of all think about the return of such a rather large loan in the UK - it is more important for Boris Johnson to provide work for the capacity of his own military-industrial complex. Given the difficulties associated with Brexit and the centrifugal sentiment in Scotland, foreign orders, albeit at its own expense, come in handy for London.

There is nothing to say about the ability to float second-rate weapons such as the above-mentioned minesweepers - this is a free bonus of cooperation with Kiev.

The Ukrainian leadership seems to be completely confused with the rearmament of its own fleet.

On the one hand, due to the lack of orders, the country has virtually destroyed its own shipbuilding industry.

On the other hand, Kiev buys ready-made ships abroad, exacerbating the production crisis within the country. We are not talking about restoring the shipyards - all finances are planned for the purchase of British ships, and orders for only six boats have been sent for their own shipbuilders.

The shipyard in Odessa is in such a deplorable state that the production of boats will have to be organized according to the principle of “screwdriver assembly”. Ready-made blocks will come from Scotland, which Odessans will solemnly assemble into one whole and write the proud "Made in Ukraine".

At the same time, London signed a contract for the construction of the Protector 50 missile boats, which are not the most successful in the world markets.

Ships with a length of 50 meters and a displacement of more than 400 tons are armed with 8 anti-ship missile installations, short-range anti-aircraft missiles, a 76-mm Leonardo Super Rapid cannon or a 57-mm BAE Systems Bofors Mk 110, or a 40-mm BAE Systems Bofors Mk 4.

Boats, at the request of customers, must develop up to 45 knots, however, this will require serious improvements. At the moment, we are not talking about the installation of Ukrainian anti-ship "Neptuns" on British boats. Even if the tests are successful, it is not in London's interests to adapt local weapons for boats - this is a loss of orders for the future. It is quite logical, since after the very first training rocket firing, the Ukrainians will have to replenish their arsenal and pay for it with pounds sterling.

However, everything is clear with Great Britain - they issued a loan, and they dictate what and where to spend 1,25 billion.

But Ukraine buys four ADA-class corvettes from Turkey at once.

In this case, we are not talking about any loans. For taxpayers, each ship will cost a grandiose 8 billion hryvnia, and this can already be compared with the annual budget of Ukraine. These are the same corvettes that the Ukrainian Armed Forces planned to put into service not in 2035, but in the very near future.

We must pay tribute to Ankara - the Turks did not offer, like the British, the decommissioned ships and signed a contract for the construction of new warships. The groundbreaking ceremony for the first ADA-class corvette took place on September 7, and the launch is expected in three years. It looks like a grimace of fate that these corvettes were once developed by the Turks with the help of the Nikolaev Research and Design Center for Shipbuilding.

The last hope for the "revival of the previous Ukrainian program" looks like the plans for the completion of the corvette "Volodymyr the Great", which has been mothballed in Nikolaev for ten years.

However, these are still rumors and, most likely, Kiev in the distant future will simply buy a Type 31 frigate from the United Kingdom.
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  1. +1
    19 October 2021 05: 39
    Thunderstorm of the seas, the mosquito fleet of Ukraine, goes to the operational space! laughing

    1. +3
      20 October 2021 07: 07
      I once worked on a DE3127 injection molding machine, Kharkov. But even this half-dead dinosaur was made back in the USSR, from 1990. Therefore, it did not even die by 2017.
      In general, I wonder how long Poroshenko's Gyurza-M will last. I have timed it.
  2. 0
    19 October 2021 05: 47
    In fact, the idea of ​​a mosquito fleet has a rational grain.
    1. +5
      19 October 2021 09: 09
      Well, yes, only Iran and Iraq, whose mosquito fleets were simply blown to shreds from the air by the owners of non-mosquito fleets, would hardly agree with this.
      1. +4
        19 October 2021 11: 07
        Because the "mosquito fleet" is not what Iran is building, and not what Iraq had.
        And they were carried out not by the Navy, but by the Air Force.

        A normal modern "mosquito" must have at least the simplest air defense system to protect against helicopters, UAVs and subsonic anti-ship missiles.
        1. 0
          19 October 2021 11: 32
          That is, the Air Force will be able to endure, but carrier-based aviation will not? And what if they fired not subsonic, but supersonic anti-ship missiles? Nonsense, this "mosquito" fleet of yours.
          1. 0
            19 October 2021 12: 48
            Firstly, carrier-based aviation is a special case of the Air Force in the realities of the fleet, and at the moment only 6-7 countries of the world have it, in full-fledged version - only in 3 (USA, China, France), and in the main tasks of carrier-based aviation often includes air defense orders and reconnaissance, and only then strike functionality.

            Secondly, the supersonic anti-ship missiles in service in the world can be counted on the fingers of one hand, the possibility of meeting them for the average "mosquito" is minimal, and in the examples you cited of Iran and Iraq, it is completely absent. The main threat continues to come from subsonic anti-ship missiles and torpedoes.
            Plus, now any short-range shipborne air defense system serving for self-defense of the ship against aviation / anti-ship missiles (RIM-116, Pantsir-M, VL-MICA, Sea Ceptor, etc.) can intercept supersonic targets, the question is, that for the guaranteed defeat of the "mosquito", supersonic anti-ship missiles may require less than subsonic ones.

            And thirdly, "nonsense" is an owl that you put on the globe, trying to argue like "carrier-based aircraft". Deck aviation is also aviation, and the "mosquitoes" in Iraq / Iran were destroyed in the first place aviation, since these countries naively refused to place a sane air defense system on these ships.

            But fortunately, our Navy does not share your views. We are building mosquitoes, adapted to our realities, called MRK (projects 21631 Buyan-M and 22800 Karakurt), it’s bad without the air defense system, but work is underway to adapt the Pantsir-M.
            And yes, RTOs (mosquitoes of our realities) are one of the most adequate solutions in our military development (but they do not replace corvettes / frigates / helicopter carriers, as some naively believe) when ships are required to defend our huge coastline and which do not need to leave into the world ocean.
            1. +1
              19 October 2021 13: 43
              bad that without the air defense system

              And also without means of countering submarines. Without any at all. Well, with poor seaworthiness, especially "Buyan". They are not even going to bet on the latter.

              But in any case, this is not a conversation about the mosquito fleet. 21631 and 22800 are thought of as part of a system with much larger ships.
              1. 0
                19 October 2021 18: 37
                The plans, of course, are impressive. If come true. But this is unlikely: there is no money, no time. smile
          2. 0
            20 October 2021 12: 25
            Among the non-profit admirals, the term "wolf pack" was previously more popular. And I'm not kidding, alas. The Internet and interested people remember everything. Of course, what the country is, so are the admirals. Well, they didn’t study normally, and perhaps they don’t even realize that "wolf pack" is a term for submariners, and not at all for consumptive surface shells. It remains only to wish that the number of Ukrainian admirals finally equals the number of Ukrainian warships ... British ships. Or Turkish? I'm already confused.
    2. 0
      20 October 2021 07: 11
      During the Russian-Trek wars - undoubtedly. Then the Turks felt the full power of the destroyers that were not yet born. And by the way - the first successful torpedo attack in the world was carried out at the same time by Russian sailors.
      But now times are a little different. A bird will fly in, throw a byaka. And even though you are a mosquito, it will cover you.
    3. -2
      22 October 2021 22: 32
      Quite possible. Of course we are all joking here. But you have to be on the lookout. God forbid something to drown them all, regardless of the former "brotherhood" and history. They are already quite insolent. This is the kind of people, until they snitch on the tinsel, they will not calm down.
  3. +19
    19 October 2021 06: 02
    "aboard the defender destroyer, which was almost sunk off the coast of the Crimea" - it seems to me too loud a phrase, however, as most of the statements from the top lately
    1. +15
      19 October 2021 06: 43
      Over time, there will be a legend as with the "khibiny". I respect our sailors, but writers like the author just don't lie beautifully.
      1. 0
        19 October 2021 07: 56
        Wasn't it easier to buy / develop missile systems? They started the Open Sea fleet.
        1. +4
          19 October 2021 11: 24
          So these are plans already for 2035, no one in the world had such long-term weapons programs in their original form by the time they ended, in fact, they contracted the same corvettes not 4, but 2 units, I think they will be limited to two corvettes until 2035, there is no need for them anymore.

          Regarding DBK, besides 2025, when they want to have the first corvette, they announced plans for 3 divisions of DBK "Neptune" (~ 900 million UAH = 2,538 billion rubles per division), one is now under construction, commissioning in the I-II quarters of 2022, taking into account the pace of production, then by 2025 there will be 3 divisions.

          All this has already been said more than once, retold both on VO, and on bmpd, and many other places.
          It's just that the author of the article, not having any news feed under him, decided to "hype" out of the blue on the topic about Ukraine, not forgetting to work out his gesheft on the letter quota along the way.
        2. +2
          20 October 2021 07: 42
          Thunder-2 remind? You have googled so far. And then - we can discuss the topic of Nenki's rocketry. ^ _ ^

          In fact, 404 still has brains. But if the government is a thief on a thief - nothing will come of it.

          In general, as Kozma Prutkov used to say, behold it at the root. The only more or less successful development of Nenka that has a chance to deliver at least to a small batch is Neptune. Anti-ship missile. And 404 at a hellish pace, albeit a pitiful one, is still strengthening the fleet. Which is illogical in theory, assuming Ukraine's sovereignty. She needs to pour everything into the land on the idea of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbthe LPNR. But no, the focus is on the fleet. Why?
          Think it over.
    2. +12
      19 October 2021 07: 17
      Yes, I even ducked!
      The author swung like a sword from the sofa ...
      And they forgot how to build ships, and the destroyer was almost sunk ...
      And the USSR ordered "Tashkent" in Italy almost a hundred years ago - have Soviet shipbuilders also forgot how to hold an instrument in their hands?
      1. +1
        20 October 2021 07: 50
        Here I cannot remain silent.
        You may not believe it, but yes, you have forgotten how to do it. Even before the Revolution under the monarchy, we had few specialists, and after that there were almost no specialists left. And first of all, in Soviet Russia (well, then the USSR), the old, tsarist ships were just being completed and modernized. The Soviet fleet - the new Soviet fleet - was largely built on the experience of the Italians.
        1. +1
          20 October 2021 08: 04
          I disagree. I really am not a sailor, but ...
          The same projects 7 and 7y.
          You can't call them "old". Developed and built under Soviet rule and dragged on throughout the war.
          The same "Tashkent" ended up in the USSR in 1938? When did you get acquainted with technologies? And even then - if memory serves, they could not master them.
          I would agree with you if after the 1920s nothing but torpedo boats were commissioned into the fleet. But, they completed the "royal heritage", and then new projects ...
          1. 0
            20 October 2021 08: 39
            This is the fourth time I am writing. I hate tablets. I almost finish - it drops.
            Therefore, already briefly.
            Sevens, yes. But we had experience in Novik. The strongest destroyer in the world at that time. Although it was built at a German shipyard. Noviks were so good that they served in the Great Patriotic War. Sevens are their successors.
            But with everything else there was a gag. And it was the Italian school of shipbuilding that turned out to be the closest to our doctrine. Although with the Germans then there was a complete Vasya-Vasya.

            I will add that just new developments and even modernizations had a distinct Italian flavor. We bought documentation from them. Massively. Tashkent - it was already much later.
            1. -1
              22 October 2021 22: 37
              And the "Parisian commune" (volkhov) is still serving. And they built it after the legendary "Varangian". Although "Varyag" was built in America.
    3. +11
      19 October 2021 10: 54
      Yes, an overkill. It would be more correct to write "which was almost caught up" off the coast of the Crimea.
  4. +3
    19 October 2021 06: 07
    As I understand it, the circus is not even going to go anywhere. wassat laughing
    A clown is in power, de facto Sumeria is a colony controlled from abroad, industry is degrading, land is being taken out, the forest will also be lifted and taken out soon, people of more or less working age are already in paraboks everywhere, just not in their colony ...
    This is a white arctic fox of some kind ... request
    And they are going to buy a fleet abroad !!!!! fool They will be freezing in winter, but give the fleet laughing laughing laughing
    Gods, if they want to punish someone, then the mind is taken away Yes There is not only no reason, but also no brains wassat
    Ugh, squalor negative
    PS. It started ...
    1. +4
      19 October 2021 06: 40
      There is not only no reason, but also no brains wassat
      Taki vI not pGava. There are brains. But only bone. Hematopoietic function is normal.
    2. +5
      19 October 2021 06: 47
      And two ports that are "so lacking" laughing for ships that do not exist at all.
    3. -1
      19 October 2021 07: 39
      Quote: Rurikovich
      There is not only no reason, but also no brains

      It depends on what task those brains set themselves. Judging by the result, they did not want to build a great Ukraine. But to fill suitcases with bucks and take them out to the Promised Land, they do it remarkably well.
      They didn’t even hide their intentions in the 14th, when they were jumping for visa-free travel, they really wanted to dump somewhere far away from their independent nenka.
    4. +1
      19 October 2021 18: 09
      Quote: Rurikovich
      And they are going to buy a fleet abroad !!!!!

      So that the people would not go cold-blooded by the pogrom of "houses and residences", they would throw him an idea about buying .... something for the army. But there will be Ukraine in three years, there will be no - "this is not known to science." But during this time, all the property can be taken out, even before the end of this year!
  5. +5
    19 October 2021 06: 09
    Someone will become richer, someone poorer, and the former will be a minority, the latter will be the majority.
  6. +2
    19 October 2021 06: 38
    The last hope for the "revival of the previous Ukrainian program" looks like plans to complete the corvette "Volodymyr the Great"
    Leave all hope here entering ... "
  7. +3
    19 October 2021 07: 16
    Vessels with a speed of 45 knots per hour and above have one drawback. They are suitable only when the sea is calm. There are various poultices against mosquitoes. Just money down the drain.
  8. +2
    19 October 2021 07: 44
    Let the Ukrainians be put on a credit needle as deeply as possible, and let them spend as much as possible on the fleet, which is absolutely useless in the war between Ukraine and Donbass. The more they spend on British and Turkish troughs, the less they will be able to spend on the army fighting in the Donbass.
    1. +7
      19 October 2021 09: 05
      Credits only work against all kinds of opponents.

      For example, every Japanese owes already under $ 100k, and the country will soon break through 15 trillion of public debt. And they don't really care about it.
      A similar situation is in Denmark, Belgium and the Asian tiger Singapore, where they are already under trillion, and every Singaporean owes 200k dollars.
      1. 0
        19 October 2021 11: 54
        The trouble is that Ukraine spends more than 30% of its budget on servicing its debt. This is a lot, and the percentage threatens to increase.
  9. NSV
    +3
    19 October 2021 07: 49
    Don't laugh! The Black Sea is not the Atlantic, and even such a change in the balance of power is a reason for our General Staff to think about it !!!
  10. +9
    19 October 2021 09: 22
    Why are the British minesweepers (2) called old in article 1989 ???
    The Russian Navy has dozens of minesweepers built in the 1970s ... and no one calls them rubbish or writes off
    "minesweepers are now being modernized at Scottish shipyards"
    it turns out that Ukraine will receive quite modern minesweepers!
    and the missile boats are quite "toothy"!
  11. +6
    19 October 2021 11: 51
    On board the same destroyer of the Royal Navy "Defender", almost sunk off the coast of Crimea,

    Does the general public even know about this? This is the first time I hear that he was "nearly drowned" good
  12. +5
    19 October 2021 12: 08
    Fedorov in his role: it does not matter that he does not know the materiel, but on the topic of the day. From today: in Odessa there are no shipyards (according to Fedorov, they are in a deplorable state), but there were shipyards. Shipbuilding, from the time of the Republic of Ingushetia, has been concentrated in Nikolaev. And the Sandown type minesweepers are really good.
  13. 0
    19 October 2021 12: 16
    "Cannons instead of butter" ... good and this is the poverty of the majority of people in Ukraine.
    They love to play "boats" upstairs in Kiev. And there is no more money for retirement.
  14. +6
    19 October 2021 12: 26
    The author is a notable storyteller
    The military command of Ukraine highly appreciates the potential of the "small-sized" fleet of Iran ...... is replete with materials about the high defensive potential of the boats Tir-II, Zolfaghar and Ashura

    and not a single reference to this very command.
    And the author is a strong connoisseur. Tir-II and Zolfaghar are one and the same, if that.
    Moreover, it has no comparison with the missile boats that the British were going to build. The Tir-II has a displacement of 29 tons, the British have 400 tons. The author does not understand the difference between 29 and 400?

    The author, the mosquito fleet looks like this, if the thing is Tir-II.
    This is what Ashura looks like.

    Obviously, the conditions for the use of missile boats in the Black Sea, where they can shoot from the wall, and in Iran, are completely different.
    The problem is that the Ukrainians have completely forgotten how to build even mosquito-class ships.

    Author, share information, what, when and where were built in Ukraine "mosquito-class ships"? The author does not seem to know how ships differ from ships, moreover.
    The Ukrainians are going to buy a lot - at least two Sandown-class minesweepers, which the British were about to retire, will come to the fleet. After all, ships have been in service since 1989.

    And which, in terms of capabilities, are analogues of the most modern Russian minesweepers pr12700 Alexandrite. Even more, on Alexandrites, because of the sanctions, instead of real modern combat vehicles - mine seekers, like on British minesweepers, are forced to use French civilian vehicles for underwater work - the West does not sell combat seekers because of the sanctions.

    It looks like a grimace of fate that these corvettes were once developed by the Turks with the help of the Nikolaev Research and Design Center for Shipbuilding.

    Where will most of the corvettes be built?
    Recall that in October 2020, Turkey and Ukraine signed an agreement on military cooperation, which sets out the intentions of the parties to launch and implement joint projects for the construction of ships, unmanned aerial vehicles and all types of gas turbine engines.

    Under the terms of the contract concluded later, Ankara will ensure the supply of four Ada-class corvettes to Ukraine. The first ship of the series will be manufactured directly in Turkey, and the rest will be built at the Okean shipyard in Nikolaev under a technology transfer agreement.

    Moreover, on the first building
    In accordance with the signed contract, in 2022 the corvette will be transferred for final completion to Ukraine, and in 2024 it will become part of the Ukrainian Navy with a permanent base in Odessa.

    Is this a trend now in journalism - to distort everything that is possible?
    Several articles have come across in this style lately. Everything has to be double-checked: ((
    hi
  15. +8
    19 October 2021 14: 40
    Another "heady" article.
    Particular pain in the comments on VO is caused by the debt burden of Ukraine, IMHO.
    The financiers gathered alone.

    And if you count what Ukraine will receive as a result of its shipbuilding programs?
    And what if we compare it with what the Black Sea Fleet will have in these years? And where are the ships of the Black Sea Fleet usually located?
    And if we estimate that our partner Erdogan can close the straits for us? And who is our ally on the Black Sea and who is Ukraine?
    Financiers, "estimate the balance", so to speak.
    Doesn't it smell like new Tsushima?

    PS I wonder how the rearmament of Ukraine's aviation will begin. So far, the Turks have helped Ukraine quite well with drones.
  16. +15
    19 October 2021 15: 05
    Mosquito fleet for what or for whom? Nobody is going to talk with Ukraine as a state. And inflatable boats are enough for pirates. Or rafts.
  17. +19
    19 October 2021 19: 01
    Great Britain will build ships for the Ukrainian fleet

    Apparently, for the sake of this it was worth getting "nezalizhnist"
  18. +15
    19 October 2021 21: 59
    On board the same destroyer of the Royal Navy "Defender", almost sunk off the coast of Crimea

    laughing Ay yes Fedorov ...
    I understand - pride in the fleet and the Zvezda TV channel ... But a cocktail of patriotism and idiotism ... shake it up, but not mix it up ... This is not for everybody.
  19. -2
    20 October 2021 08: 50
    This "mighty" 404 can only fly 100500 rubber aircraft carriers