How the Russian Aerospace Forces will respond to the concept of the "container" launch of the JASSM-ER. Established S-300 and S-400 in question

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Announced and several days earlier demonstrated by the US Air Force and the military-industrial company Lockheed Martin, the concept of a massive container launch of unobtrusive long-range tactical missiles AGM-158B JASSM-ER, worked out by the crews of specialized military transport aircraft EC-130J Super J and C-17A Globmaster III, it is not by chance that it received the closest attention of domestic observing and expert circles, aware of the tactical and technical features of the anti-aircraft missile systems in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces.

After all, a likely attempt to implement it, for example, in the European conditional theater of military operations, is designed to at least deprive the Kaliningrad, Leningrad and Crimean anti-aircraft zones of access restriction and A2 / AD maneuvers, erected by the S-300PS / PM2 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile regiments. , as well as mixed military anti-aircraft missile regiments based on the Buk-M1-2 / 3 and S-300V / 4 air defense divisions of the 2nd and 31st air defense divisions of the Russian Aerospace Forces.



The critical issue of the S-300PM1 / 2 and S-400 combatants remains a serious concern


And, unfortunately, weighty reasons for concern in this case are visible with almost the naked eye.

In particular, both during the development of a hypothetical massive missile and air strike ("digital" MRAU), and during a real strike by the US Air Force on our A2 / AD air defense zones using virtual models or real stealth ALCM AGM-158B JASSM-ER, dropped in modular transport and launch farms from the cargo compartments of the Hercules and Globmasters, experts from the Pentagon and the US Air Force command to this day can rely on the key tactical and technical flaw inherent in anti-aircraft missile systems of the S-300PS / PM2 and S families -400 Triumph.

In this case, we are talking about the preservation of the aforementioned anti-aircraft missile systems of the classic and noticeably outdated semi-active radar guidance principle of the 5V55R, 48N6E2 and 48N6DM SAM interceptors, which are equipped with X-band semi-active radar homing heads based on slot antenna arrays.

As you know, during the interception of the enemy's aerospace attack, these homing heads need permanent illumination of targets with divisional illumination and guidance radars (RPN) 30 / 92N6E until the target is hit (warheads are initiated with semi-active radio fuses).

This guidance method completely eliminates the possibility of hitting high-precision weapons weapons the enemy, firstly, hiding outside the radio horizon, which is about 38-45 km for the 40 / 6N30E illumination radars placed on the 92V6MD universal tower, and secondly, operating in the terrain bend mode and avoiding the radiation patterns of these radars behind hills, hills, plateaus and in the passes.

Naturally, this list of enemy WTO means includes the JASSM-ER, low-signature tactical ALCMs with an effective reflecting surface of about 0,05–0,07 square meters. m, and equipped with high-precision inertial navigation units, correlation optical-electronic TV / IR sensors, as well as GPS-correction radio navigation modules, which allow flying in ultra-low-altitude mode at altitudes from 50 to 20 m (depending on the complexity of the terrain).

It is logical to assume that, in the case of a hypothetical MRAU, for example, for the 2nd and 31st air defense divisions covering the Kaliningrad region and Crimea, dozens of routes for "detachments" of hundreds of AGM-158Bs will be formed and adjusted by operators of strategic radio-technical aircraft. and electronic reconnaissance RC-135V / W Block 8 Rivet Joint in accordance with the "blind" zones of radars 30 / 92Н6Е in one or another section of the Baltic and Black Sea theaters.

These zones will be determined by comparing information on the modifications of 30 / 92H6E radars identified by the RTR 55000 AEELS complexes of the Rivet Joint aircraft with the geographic coordinates of their location and the characteristic features of the terrain for these areas, which prevent the formation of a radiation pattern for illumination of 48H6E2 / DM.

The implementation of the active radar guidance principle in all combatant air defense systems is an indisputable panacea of ​​an operational and strategic scale in countering promising low-altitude tactical missiles with an ultra-small radar signature


A comprehensive solution to this problem could be facilitated by the constructive and software and hardware integration into the ammunition sets of the S-300PM2 and S-400 combatant long-range anti-aircraft missiles 9M96DM, placed in specialized triple transport and launch modules located on self-propelled PU 5P85CE / 2 instead of one of the TPK missiles 48N6E / 2.

A similar configuration of the earlier S-300PM1 was demonstrated by the Russian Aerospace Forces during the joint exercises of the Air Defense Forces of Russia and the Air Defense Forces of Serbia "Slavic Shield - 2019", carried out three years earlier at the Ashuluk training ground.

Having centimeter-sized active radar seeker of the Slanets X-band family with transmitting and receiving terminals for data exchange (including receiving target designation) with third-party ground / airborne radar / electronic reconnaissance means, 9M96DM missiles are capable of striking the entire spectrum of low-altitude air attack weapons at a distance from 1 up to 80-100 km.

In the arsenals of the majority of the three-hundredth and four-hundredth missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces, such interceptor missiles are still not observed.

Apparently, it was once again decided to save money on such a stage of updating these air defense systems, which is so critical for maintaining the combat stability of military districts.

Therefore, we can only hope for the intensification of large-scale production and delivery of military air defense systems Buk-M3, S-300V4, as well as S-350 Vityaz and S-500 Prometey (55R6M "Triumfator-M").

The Buk-M3 and S-300V4 complexes can oppose the AGM-158B medium-range anti-aircraft missiles 9М317МА and long-range interceptors 9М82МВ, which are capable of hitting subtle low-altitude objects at distances of 45 and 250-300 km, respectively. They owe this quality to the same active radar seeker “Slate” based on waveguide-slot antenna arrays, designed by the Moscow Research Institute “Agat”.

As for the "Knights" and "Triumphants-M", the former are equipped with the same 9M96DM, while the S-500 "equipment" also has an ultra-long-range missile-interceptor 77N6-N, capable of intercepting low-altitude missile launchers for target designation at a distance of 350 –400 km.
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  1. nnm
    +31
    29 September 2021 15: 03
    How I missed my favorite author "A2 / D2" during my absence from the site. I immediately understood whose article ...
    1. +21
      29 September 2021 16: 24
      Quote: nnm
      I immediately understood whose article ...

      It's hard not to understand when you see
      KRVB AGM-158B JASSM-ER,, 5V55R, 48N6E2 and 48N6DM, deployed on self-propelled launchers 5P85SE / 2 instead of one of the TPK 48N6E / 2 missiles. And so on laughing
      1. +14
        30 September 2021 11: 07
        Quote: Seryoga64
        It's hard not to understand when you see

        This is called not to understand at all the philosophy of weapons by the author. Firstly, we have layered air defense and the depth of the territory. Whether it is the massive use of subsonic missile launchers will not lead to a counter-strike by our ICBMs. And the point of this American attack, if the Tomahawk fly to Moscow for an hour, and in half an hour Washington will burn. Those. forward. And before we die, we still have time to have fun and raise a toast to Victory wassat Secondly, the S-400 has over-the-horizon missiles in the nomenclature. Thirdly, the approach to our borders of any Hercules will be fixed by a Container and so on. We will send towards a BR and so on with a nuclear SBS and EMP, neutron radiation, etc., we will destroy all their equipment on approach. including their high-precision junk. Precision weapons do not work in a nuclear apocalypse. Relying on primitive guidance methods.
        1. +1
          30 September 2021 11: 12
          Quote: hrych
          This is called not understanding the philosophy of weapons at all.

          I said it's hard not to understand who the author is
          Read carefully hi
          1. +5
            30 September 2021 11: 14
            Corrected for clarification laughing
            This is called not to understand the philosophy of weapons at all by the author.
            1. -3
              30 September 2021 11: 15
              Quote: hrych
              Corrected for clarification

              Yes, anything can happen smile hi
        2. +4
          30 September 2021 22: 51
          I would read you with pleasure. Dear Hrych, zip the article
        3. +3
          1 October 2021 01: 04
          Reading grunt, I began to doubt very much that there were only two Strugatsky brothers (science fiction writers). lol
    2. 0
      30 September 2021 22: 47
      Why is Damantsev crucified on VO? 99% of readers do not understand all these technical parameters. The headlines are loud, the conclusions are about nothing. How to evict him from here to special technical forums for the military? And who knows, Eugene has learned everything A2 / D2 by heart, or is he peeping into reference books?
  2. +34
    29 September 2021 15: 10
    Damantsev. I didn't understand a thing. Tell me in Russian, should we order a requiem or will we suffer for a while? request
    1. +21
      29 September 2021 17: 33
      Quote: prior
      You tell me in Russian, should we order a requiem or will we suffer for a while?

      I am translating the question into an understandable language for Damantsev: PNHD ZKZ or PMCH KK / TO VRM-Y?
    2. 0
      2 October 2021 14: 18
      Shcha, Eugene writes like this all the time, but the end of the world never happened, incl. exhale, sleep well. drinks
  3. +25
    29 September 2021 15: 16
    And I recognize Damantsev by the title ... It's time to open the game on the VO pages "Guess the author of the article" ...
    1. +10
      29 September 2021 15: 21
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      I recognize by the title

      "I recognize the sweetheart by his walk,
      He wears, wears breeches "!
      1. +9
        29 September 2021 19: 27
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        "I recognize the sweetheart by his walk,
        He wears, wears breeches "!

        I recognize a sweetheart through the 2nd generation NVG 1PN74 "Eyecup" or the American analogue AN / PVS-7
        He wears OZK "L-1" with RPK-74 and NAZ (English survival kit), one of the following types: NAZ-U, NAZ-7, NAZ-7BM (BS), NAZ-7M, NAZ-7MB, NAZ -8, NAZ-8B, NAZ-I, NAZ-IR.
    2. +7
      29 September 2021 16: 27
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      It's time to open the game on the VO pages "Guess the author of the article" ...

      Not interested. Damantsev from the first words will guess laughing
      1. +17
        29 September 2021 17: 15
        Exactly. Damantsev is immediately recognizable. For some time now I stopped reading his articles, the transition immediately to the comments and immediately becomes more fun.
        1. +6
          29 September 2021 17: 31
          Quote: Old Tankman
          For some time now I stopped reading his articles

          Very heavy reading
          I don't understand why all this
          KRVB AGM-158B JASSM-ER,, 5V55R, 48N6E2 and 48N6DM, deployed on self-propelled launchers 5P85SE / 2 instead of one of the TPK missiles 48N6E / 2

          Who will remember this and who needs all these badges? request
          1. +14
            29 September 2021 17: 43
            So Damantsev under the "smart" mows.
        2. +4
          29 September 2021 21: 28
          Quote: Old Tankman
          jump straight to the comments and it immediately becomes more fun.

        3. +2
          2 October 2021 14: 20
          Likewise, chief. bully heading, first paragraph and comments.
    3. +8
      29 September 2021 20: 55
      Dry as the Sahara desert, the language of abbreviations ... Although Damantsev writes well, a translator is required wassat
  4. -6
    29 September 2021 15: 21
    Everything is lost ... we will all die ... Russia is defenseless
    The main message of the article. hi
    The author forgot to mention the main damaging factor of the Russian army - the Russian soldier. hi
    1. +7
      29 September 2021 15: 31
      Quote: VORON538
      The author forgot to mention the main damaging factor of the Russian army.

      Very funny.
      Let's put the recruits in a chain, give out nets, let them catch ...
      1. -5
        29 September 2021 19: 59
        Jacket in stock (Konstantin), Today, 15:31,
        Quote: VORON538
        The author forgot to mention the main damaging factor of the Russian army.

        Very funny.
        Let's put the recruits in a chain, give out nets, let them catch ...


        You, like the staff, have you forgotten or don’t know?! The USSR considered option with a massive RNU, when anti-missiles were few in number, and aviation -. , a variant of airborne nuclear weapons, taking into account the alleged RNU of the enemy. and what, I guess the question ?! belay
        Never mind - I will just suggest all the damaging factors of the nuclear weapon. And that's all. If calculated correctly, then it covers the "partner", the rest is blinded, burned in every sense (from electronics to iron) and ivyt. Radiation, how to "pepper". As a "replacement", only the creation of EMP, along the perimeter, without other YaW factors. And another, just your "sachek"! or "... Armenian conscripts ... standing in a crowd, smoking and zero attention to everything else ...". I hope the RF Ministry of Defense has something and who will give the order for use ... hi
    2. +3
      29 September 2021 15: 39
      It would be funny, but only the Armenian conscripts who died under Turkish drones do not give .... Will we throw our hats ?!
      1. +10
        29 September 2021 16: 29
        Quote: Maverick1812
        It would be funny, but only Armenian conscripts who died under Turkish drones

        Have you seen the videos? Standing in a crowd, smoking and zero attention to everything else
      2. -14
        29 September 2021 17: 27
        Quote: Maverick1812
        It would be funny, but only the Armenian conscripts who died under Turkish drones do not give .... Will we throw our hats ?!

        There were also a lot of funny shots taken from drones.
        I remember where three khachiks hid in a trench and thought that they would carry it, and then they hit the trench, and one flew off so beautifully, tumbling in the air. So we hid in vain, we could wave to the audience at last. Smile, a hidden camera is filming you laughing
      3. +5
        30 September 2021 13: 25
        Damantsev, this is a superficial comparison of the performance characteristics of the same type of weapon. He never compares in a complex. Take the same containers, what is not intercepted is jammed by electronic warfare (the relatively recent massive launch of "axes" across Syria as an example).
        Yes, in a direct confrontation it is not very beautiful, but there will not be this direct confrontation, there will be a set of measures.
        It's like comparing an armor-piercing bullet and an armor plate. In the absence of other data, the ballistics of the bullet and the angle of inclination giving the recochet are not taken into account.
    3. +3
      29 September 2021 16: 03
      How many caps can you throw in the air at the same time in order to organize an effective barrier against missiles?
    4. +1
      2 October 2021 14: 21
      This will never happen. He will not find a Russian soldier in the reference books of the performance characteristics, the article will not work.
  5. +12
    29 September 2021 15: 25
    No, Damantsev is not in good shape today.
    As there are few abbreviations and other verbal rubbish, the text is almost readable.
    1. -1
      29 September 2021 16: 32
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      the text is almost readable.

      Well, who is used to it)))
  6. +8
    29 September 2021 15: 29
    And so, if on the topic, then the author is right.
    The outdated principle of semi-active guidance of our missiles has very serious limitations.
    But we don't shoot with locators ...

    And this is when our "partners" put 4x-5-channel seeker into their missiles ....
    1. +7
      29 September 2021 16: 11
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      As there are few abbreviations and other verbal rubbish, the text is almost readable.

      And after 4 minutes
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      the author is right.
      The outdated principle of semi-active guidance of our missiles has very serious limitations.
      But we don't shoot with locators ...

      And this is when our "partners" put 4x-5-channel seeker into their missiles ....

      The first comment is rated many times better than the second, although, in my opinion, it should be the other way around. By the way, the trend ...
      1. +2
        29 September 2021 23: 37
        Well, the people are not interested in the nuances, but they are the whole point. The chatter of the media already causes acute pathologies of the brain and reduces the level of critical thinking to zero ... It is a pity to see and read all this ... The army of the last century is blowing its cheeks, but in fact it’s nothing. A question in advance for those who put a minus:
        How many commanders have lost the US Armed Forces in Afghanistan, Iraq (1 and 2) and Syria?
  7. +5
    29 September 2021 15: 38
    What is fraught with ... What will they answer ... What are the prospects of R2D2 and C3PO armed with plasma swords against a Klingon warrior armed with the classic Batlet Keyles? wassat
    1. +7
      29 September 2021 15: 51
      Same as Jidai equipped with a light katana against the Empire Stormtrooper with Tony Stark's Klingon rifle, shot by Natasha Romanova with Bruce Wayne's money. Yes
      1. 0
        29 September 2021 16: 10
        Not the Klingons had Disruptors laughing
  8. +31
    29 September 2021 15: 46
    Served Damantsev as a reporter
    He wrote articles for the site
    About how AGM with JASSM-ER ohm
    He fought with the anti-aircraft "Buk"
    Names, terms, hints
    This article is complete.
    but only meaning under the microscope
    seek, seek my destiny
    (Imitation of I. Ilf, E. Petrov and their unforgettable N. Lyapis-Trubetskoy)
    1. +10
      29 September 2021 16: 05
      Served Damantsev as a reporter
      laughing good
    2. nnm
      +9
      29 September 2021 17: 28
      "JASSM-ER rolled over the 4th channel and fell down with a rapid jack"))))
    3. +3
      29 September 2021 21: 12
      Served as a Damantsev GBU
      He prevailed against air defense
  9. +11
    29 September 2021 16: 00
    A probable attempt to implement it, for example, in the European conventional theater of military operations, is designed to at least deprive the Kaliningrad, Leningrad and Crimean anti-aircraft zones of access restriction and A2 / AD maneuvers, erected by the S-300PS / PM2 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile regiments, at least. ..

    It seems that the author himself does not understand what he is writing about, and has absolutely no current information. fool
    The S-300PS air defense systems in the indicated regions no longer exist, as well as the Buk-M1. The entire publication is, for the most part, a jumble of words with no meaning. By the way, Damantsev still figured out which guidance system is used on the C-300PS? In one of his articles, he argued that semi-active radar wassat
    1. +7
      29 September 2021 17: 12
      Quote: Tucan
      In one of his articles, he argued that semi-active radar

      What is it "stated in one of his articles ...."? He claims in this article ... But Damantsev can! He's the only one with us! Without it, the site will not look like itself!
      1. +6
        29 September 2021 19: 30
        He's the only one with us! Without it, the site will not look like itself!

        Not alone. There is also a resident of Odessa, Gridasov, who is more scientific. But he was gone for a long time, it's just boring without such.
  10. +4
    29 September 2021 16: 01
    The problem is, as it were, voiced, but further ... Honey, flowers and bees ... Mixed together in a bunch of everything and most of it is absolutely irrelevant ... Very weak, even against the background of previous articles.
  11. +2
    29 September 2021 16: 21
    As an answer - We, on the mountain of all bourgeois, will fan the world fire! ))
  12. +3
    29 September 2021 16: 22
    And if you shoot not at rockets, but at carriers? Hercules has neither stealth, nor low altitude, it is also slow and huge - it's hard not to get hit.
    1. +4
      29 September 2021 23: 52
      Far. The S-400 is missing.
      Fighters must be sent to meet the carriers.
      But Hercules will be covered by enemy fighters.
      All will be decided by air battles from medium-long distances.
  13. +4
    29 September 2021 16: 28
    If it is stupid to sit and wait until a massive blow is struck at you, then of course you will lose, so that the enemy does not have the desire to contact us, and a bunch of transport workers approaching our borders is an occasion to bring their missiles into combat readiness and notify the United States about it.
  14. +9
    29 September 2021 16: 30
    As my friend told me - why do they practically not talk about false goals and deceit and disguise. I tried to oppose him, but - what can you say if there is not one but 16 in the target area and all are, as it were, workers, but naturally spaced about 500-1000 meters in a circular direction (of which only one - two are real)? And if the target area is closed on an area of ​​up to 4 kilometers in a square with metallized special smoke? And what if the GPS system in areas on the approach to the target starts to work with an error to correct and refine the guidance, or disappears altogether? And what if in the target area, on its cover, there are much more TORs, Buks and other complexes (he told me that even charging machines, if necessary, can be connected to increase the launch of the number of missiles (that is, they turn into launchers, as it were, at the command of the main one) , if the main one is defeated, it switches to a backup (vehicle, guidance station), which is previously passive and does not give itself away? interference with the operation of television heads and other sensors for guidance in the final section?
    In general, I learned a lot of interesting things. For example, that the hit of the beam of the lyser for 1 second on the television head makes it useless. That there is ammunition - missiles that, when detonated on oncoming people, create a powerful EMP even without a nuclear charge, which disables some of the cruise missile electronics, because everything cannot be 100 percent shielded. And this is not fiction. There is just a lot of things that are not particularly advertised or advertised in fragments. Technologies and tactics of application and protection are also being worked out.
    1. 0
      30 September 2021 23: 36
      And then there are corner reflectors.
  15. +7
    29 September 2021 17: 13
    -Read 3 lines,
    - I saw the next empty digital word range,
    - rewound the bped,
    - Bingo! Damantsev!
    "Serious analytical" without further reading - in the trash can! A good time saving came out, Eugene - thank you, your name has begun to work for you! laughing
  16. +6
    29 September 2021 17: 15
    A fountain of alphanumeric indexes and that's it ...
  17. +2
    29 September 2021 17: 19
    The groupings are fighting, one should not forget about such a form of reducing the enemy's potential as a WTO strike on command posts, etc.
  18. 0
    29 September 2021 17: 21
    All forces and means will be involved in repelling the air strike. In this case, the ZRV are the last element when all other components have completed work.
  19. -5
    29 September 2021 17: 31
    A train with 100-200 pieces of calibers .... Should sober up
  20. +6
    29 September 2021 17: 35
    Yeah, appeared. Yes, it's boring without this heresy. Damantsev, in which regiment did you serve?
    1. +7
      30 September 2021 04: 17
      Quote: Borisych
      Damantsev, in which regiment did you serve?

      He is a White Ticketnik, it was found out back in 2016. And apparently he does not live in the Russian Federation.
  21. -1
    29 September 2021 17: 40
    In general, what for it was necessary to make the S-350 if it was possible to re-equip the missiles of the 9M96 family? Or, a zoo, a tradition from which the RF Armed Forces cannot escape?
  22. 0
    29 September 2021 17: 45
    Does the traditional redneck of the RF Ministry of Defense interfere with modernizing the 48N6 family of missiles by installing ARGSN? (I will never forget the notorious T-72B3)
    1. +2
      29 September 2021 19: 28
      Bars1-simple modernization is indispensable there. There is such a thing as technical incompatibility, so more modern missiles are needed, with an active homing head, and not passive ones, which are cheaper to manufacture ...
      1. +2
        29 September 2021 20: 26
        Quote: Thrifty
        simple modernization is indispensable

        Well, nobody is talking about "simple modernization"! But it is possible to modernize the 48N6 (!) ... you just have to think: why? Is the "game worth the candle"? But, if you do not upgrade the 48N6, then, perhaps, you still need to "start" a new zur ... PS The 9M82M zur has been modernized with a semi-active radar seeker into the 9M82MV zur with ARGSN!
  23. +1
    30 September 2021 01: 12
    As always. The West is improving its attack systems, while Russia is improving its defense systems. Something needs to be changed.
  24. +3
    30 September 2021 01: 30
    Lord, where do you get such data, for example, detection range diff. radars, EPR JASSM and so on ???
  25. +4
    30 September 2021 04: 15
    we are talking about the preservation of the above anti-aircraft missile systems of the classic and noticeably outdated semi-active radar the principle of guidance of missiles-interceptors 5В55Р ...
    Damantsev is delusional? wassat
    SAM 5V55R / 5V55RM use a radio command guidance system with sighting through a missile.
  26. +1
    30 September 2021 06: 08
    I read the title of the article - I became tense, alarmed. Quickly scrolled down in the comments ...
    But no, everything is ok. Stuffed ... lol
  27. +3
    30 September 2021 06: 56
    The statements of Roman ibn Skomorokhov about the "terrible" threat from the packs of missiles he describes, as well as the assertions that the missiles equipped with active radar seeker launched beyond the horizon will be able to neutralize this threat are written with a pitchfork on the water, despite the abundance of designations, shorten and other crap, which should testify to the deep awareness of the author of the article, about what we have, what "partners" and what will happen if these "what" bump into each other.
    First, with what hangover "partners" will start to launch these super - duper missiles on the zones designated by Roman. Such launches are possible only in the event of the outbreak of a full-fledged war, in which a wide variety of means of destruction and protection will be used on both sides, as well as the tactics of their use. And it is not a fact that the missiles described by Roman will be regarded by "partners" as a kind of wunderwaffe and will be used in the first strike and in splendid isolation, i.e. in isolation from everything else, than the arsenals of these very "partners" are already overflowing with.
    Moreover, the "ingots" of the EC-130J Super J and C-17A Globmaster III type, which are supposed to be used as carriers of the missiles under consideration, can be detected by Russian reconnaissance means of an air enemy (ground radar, AWACS and U aircraft, etc.) long before the launch line of these missiles. This time.

    And two. Now about our missiles.
    Even the presence of an active radar seeker on these missiles does not at all guarantee the interception of air targets, especially if these targets are low-flying, have a small RCS and are located beyond the radio horizon line.

    Firstly, such GOS have a very small aperture of their own radar sensors and, therefore, a modest detection range of targets with a small RCS, especially against the background of the Earth. And therefore, they require constantly updated target designation up to the terminal segment of the missile defense flight. Such target designation is still more than problematic because ground-based missile guidance radars operate in such ranges in which it is very difficult, if not impossible, to "look beyond the radio horizon" far.

    Plus, the operating radar seeker missiles will certainly be jammed by the enemy's electronic warfare and will be an excellent target for anti-radar missiles with passive multispectral seeker. In general, bullet missiles beyond the horizon at low-flying maneuvering targets with low RCS, relying only on the missile missile system seeker is more than dubious, tk. SAM operators will have no idea where this SAM flew and what it got into. If you hit it at all.

    It is the Syrian air defense fighters who shoot everything that they have at their fingertips into the white light, as if it were a pretty penny just to portray violent activity and happily report on dozens of downed Israeli missiles, which has nothing to do with reality.
    I do not think that the Russian officers in charge of the air defense of this or that object / area will be like such "effective" air defense officers and send expensive missiles over the hill "not for self-interest, but only for a report."
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 08: 55
      Sorry. I wanted to write Damantsev, but for some reason Skomorokhov wrote. Old age, however, with all that it implies. Which, however, does not change the essence of the comment.
  28. +3
    30 September 2021 07: 33
    Not respected Damantsev, find yourself a normal job, stop fumbling, stop stuffing respected readers with your heresy in the "if only, if only" style with a bunch of technical nonsense and tons of objections. Here's a really, useless, not interesting, somewhere even a maniorally stupid author, who for some reason persistently prints VO.
  29. +1
    30 September 2021 07: 38
    How the Russian Aerospace Forces will respond to the concept of the "container" launch of the JASSM-ER. Established S-300 and S-400 in question
    What is the answer to such a stupid question ???
    It is just worth reminding and asking, "we have an edren loaf, and you?"
    1. -3
      30 September 2021 08: 22
      Quote: rocket757
      How the Russian Aerospace Forces will respond to the concept of the "container" launch of the JASSM-ER. Established S-300 and S-400 in question
      What is the answer to such a stupid question ???
      It is just worth reminding and asking, "we have an edren loaf, and you?"

      they know about the loaf, which means that they are systematically engaged and, therefore, by the time H of the loaf, we may not have (((
      1. +1
        30 September 2021 08: 50
        Quote: vl903
        by the time of H vigorous loaf we may not have

        That's why the pike is in the pond, so that the crucian does not doze ...
        To be, not to be, that is the question ???
        We have fresh loaves, and new "oven" are going .... question -Why should they not be then? -
        1. -4
          30 September 2021 08: 56
          simultaneously with the massive launch of anti-aircraft missiles, missiles will also go to the batons with a time delay of 3 minutes.
          The army of the state where the generals are full of girls will not have time to react, yesterday's deaths in military units confirm this ...
          And what to expect from the army where Shamsutdinov, a normal mature rural peasant, was first brought to a nervous breakdown, and then he was condemned, and all the cowardly bluish punks from private to officers were exposed as victims and heroes?
          in general, I would not rely only on loaves, but as you rightly said, the enemy must be convinced that we will let ALL loaves in the slightest danger ... but for this we need MEN in the leadership ... and if we have students Generals, Shamsutdinov's criminals Do you think the enemy will believe that the same Shoigu will give such an order?
          1. +3
            30 September 2021 09: 22
            Quote: vl903
            Do you think the enemy will believe that the same Shoigu will give such an order?

            Such orders are given by the SUPREME COMMANDER ...
            for the rest you wrote ... he is nonsense and in Africa, yourself, yourself.
            1. -2
              30 September 2021 09: 28
              and who approves of the general?
              Whoa !!!! and the rest of the campaign will have to be raked by ourselves, like those Armenian soldiers ...
              1. +3
                30 September 2021 09: 33
                YOURSELF ...
                at the expense of ... women in the army, in the command and so on, but we count them NO, in comparison with foreign figures. Not happy / upsetting, these are just the facts.
                1. 0
                  30 September 2021 09: 40
                  Quote: rocket757
                  YOURSELF ...
                  at the expense of ... women in the army, in the command and so on, but we count them NO, in comparison with foreign figures. Not happy / upsetting, these are just the facts.

                  yes I am not against women in the army in some positions. somewhere they can work even better than men. But not generals in 25 years !!!
                  I'm just about the fact that some say that Damantsev sucked the threat out of his finger and "we will fight on a foreign land" ... I would not hope for that, since in our society and, accordingly, in the army, there are not many that are not very well placed ACCENTS.
                  and whether Damantsev proposes the right decisions or not, this can be discussed.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2021 09: 59
                    Quote: vl903
                    "we will fight in a foreign land" ..

                    what OWN / ALIEN land can be in a conflict between two vigorous powers?
                    Let's draw the line .... while, in the foreseeable future, "hot", military, conflict is NOT POSSIBLE, for objective reasons.
                    And then ... but fig knows what will happen next.
          2. -1
            30 September 2021 10: 57
            Is Shamsutdinov a mature country man? laughing laughing he is a boy of 19 years old
            1. +1
              30 September 2021 11: 16
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              Is Shamsutdinov a mature country man? laughing laughing he is a boy of 19 years old

              some at the age of 19 can run a household, build a house, take care of their wife and children, if there is a war, throw themselves under a tank with a grenade ...
              and 20 percent of them were born punks, punks and die, causing only pain and suffering for their lives and their wife and those women who were deceived and their children without fathers and values ​​have not gone far from AUE, but in society why are they pitied and protected. ..
              1. 0
                30 September 2021 14: 12
                such can only 1%, what kind of family in 19 years? he is still a child himself
                1. +1
                  30 September 2021 15: 17
                  the fact that there are few such people agree, and unfortunately our society diligently does everything so that there are even fewer of them
                  1. -3
                    30 September 2021 16: 36
                    how is society doing? will be like in the west when weddings are 35 - 40 years old
                    1. +2
                      30 September 2021 17: 35
                      in school, the boys have instead of metal and wood machines, repairing and driving a tractor and a truck for Basic Military Training lessons, etc. EMBROIDERY...
                      and in the family too
                      and in society
                      1. +1
                        1 October 2021 06: 57
                        then in life they become effeminate
  30. +1
    30 September 2021 07: 52
    Armor is strong and our tanks are fast ... Here, I see, many rely on "our gallant soldier"? And how many of them will have to be put once again in order to neutralize the shortcomings of the defense? And will time be the main resource for this?
  31. -2
    30 September 2021 08: 07
    I like Damantsev. I learn from his articles and comments their new technical nuances.
    if you like prose, go read Pikul !!!!
    If Damantsev is not right, comment on the case.
    Yes, the language is heavy, but it's better than empty articles about the weather
  32. 0
    30 September 2021 08: 32
    Can you write okay, aftorrrrr? Well, nonsense, I'll probably go and open old Soviet textbooks on physics and that will be interesting.
  33. 0
    30 September 2021 09: 10
    S-300 and S-400 in question

    And have the S-300 and S-400 ever shot down a military target at least once in history in a real battle, not during an exercise?
    1. +3
      30 September 2021 09: 25
      S-300 and S-400 are sharpened to intercept 4th generation aircraft. Both large and fighters. Can shoot down Point / Scud class BRs.
      The problem for the S-300/400 is stealth and low-flying targets. Low-flying targets are intercepted by Torah and Buki.
      There is no solution against stealth. They can be detected by VHF radars, but there is no one to shoot them down.
      Except, perhaps, the Su-57, made in one copy so far.
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 10: 08
        Journalists noted that the foreign military thereby studied the capabilities of their fighters in front of air defense systems. They are also not sure about the stealth of their newest aircraft F-35 Lightning II and in the Pentagon, some publications also wrote about this.
        Not sure, DON'T FLY!
        1. +6
          30 September 2021 11: 25
          It's right... good
          There is no absolute certainty in war at all not with anything.
          Exist:
          "degree of risk"
          "probable losses",
          "probability of success".
          Three factors are tested in exercises and in "probing" the enemy's defense / air defense / missile defense without getting involved in a conflict.
          1. +1
            30 September 2021 12: 39
            On this topic, it is difficult to check in real life ... because in reality, the opposing sides, without any assumptions.
            Therefore, the range of reasoning from the statements of experts to ... to infinity.
            As for me ... YES FIG WITH HIM, let it remain so.
            Everyone has their own swamp, and the great heron commands the frog chorus!
      2. -1
        30 September 2021 16: 58
        Quote: voyaka uh
        S-300 and S-400 are sharpened to intercept 4th generation aircraft. Both large and fighters. Can shoot down Point / Scud class BRs.

        Alexey, welcome! Sometimes you still twist! ... After all, it's no secret for you that the calculations of the S-300 and S-400 regiments annually at the training ground they practice their skills by shooting at target missiles "Kaban". Which in terms of complexity is many times superior to all stealth combined, both in terms of image intensifier and in speed. In addition, new target missiles have already been adopted, which by several generations surpass in the complexity of intercepting all the developments of our potential "partners". You can be calm for the purity of the sky over the Russian Federation!
        1. +5
          30 September 2021 22: 25
          Here is the Boar target rocket:

          It not stealth... Stealth machines are not round. They are "faceted".
          In this case, the overall size of the product does not matter.
          The huge B-2 bomber is less visible on radars than the small Grad rocket.
      3. -2
        30 September 2021 18: 39
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There is no solution against stealth. They can be detected by VHF radars, but there is no one to shoot them down.

        Yes, and it is difficult to bring down such a number.

        Please, do not write about cartoons, it is better to watch it in cartoons than in reality and count how many missiles at a time from one plane.
  34. +2
    30 September 2021 09: 14
    You just need to prescribe in the military doctrine that the detection of a massive missile and air strike is equivalent to a nuclear missile attack with an appropriate response from the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation. And the development of this class of weapons by our "partners" will be pointless.
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 09: 17
      Quote: CB Master
      You just need to prescribe in the military doctrine that the detection of a massive missile and air strike is equivalent to a nuclear missile attack with an appropriate response from the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation. And the development of this class of weapons by our "partners" will be pointless.

      It should!
      the truth is, it will not be meaningless to develop (at the same money) but to use it)))
      1. -1
        30 September 2021 10: 40
        If the use of weapons is meaningless, then its development was also meaningless. Can it still be useful for a massive launch of missiles from containers dropped from aircraft? It will be cheaper to take away oil revenues from someone "eastern tyrant" with ordinary tomahawks laughing
        1. +1
          30 September 2021 11: 26
          to quickly and safely destroy air defense and then bring any country to its knees, which the United States regularly does
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    2. +1
      30 September 2021 10: 50
      That's how it is written there.
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 12: 43
        Well, quote the 27th article, let's think together whether it is suitable for such a threat or not laughing
  35. +2
    30 September 2021 09: 31
    ultra-low-altitude mode at heights from 50 to 20 m

    You can throw a pancake with a stone from the ground and knock it down lol
    But seriously, it is worth thinking about new means of destruction of precisely low-flying and low-speed targets.
  36. -1
    30 September 2021 10: 48
    Lord, what a heresy. An article in the style of "Guard! Chief, truncated."
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 11: 27
      Quote: shinobi
      Lord, what a heresy. An article in the style of "Guard! Chief, truncated."

      Yes, you can not discuss anything at all - we are all always stronger !!!!
      Is there a threat? there is nothing to fend off? - while there is NOTHING !!!
      but everything is fine, beautiful marquise ...
      1. -2
        30 September 2021 12: 23
        It is necessary to discuss the reality, not the author's inventions. And the reality is that if the Shells and Torahs are tied together in a single network with over-the-horizon, it is very problematic to break through their guard dome. The Syrian experience showed an efficiency of 0,98 from 1,0 (one unit that has not yet been achieved by anyone ideal), 22 downed Israeli missiles out of 23. Let the tales of low-flying stealth-CRs remain on the conscience of their developers' PR specialists. And I advise ordinary people to google what resolution the modern but not the newest radars have, using the example of the same mobile counter-battery reconnaissance stations. The mines and projectiles have less EPR than any stealth systems. The author's reasoning about the S-300 and higher systems (they can or cannot shoot down, if they feel like it) is generally pulling an owl onto the globe. These air defense systems have different tasks and goals.
  37. 0
    30 September 2021 11: 55
    The answer may be the placement of the Pantsir-M air defense system on the BAZ or MAZ chassis:

    The main armament is the naval version of the 57E6-E "Pantsir" anti-aircraft missile. It is a two-stage missile capable of hitting targets (aircraft, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles) at a distance of 1 m to 000 km and from a meter above the surface up to almost 20 km. These missiles are housed in four tubes on each side of the turret, and, like the Dirk, the twin revolving magazines below deck can reload each side automatically four times in a matter of seconds. Ammunition 15 missiles.
    When repelling a massive raid of high-precision weapons, almost 100% probability of hitting targets is ensured due to the four-channel control system, as well as firing at targets at three lines - twice with anti-aircraft missiles and once with anti-aircraft guns with a missile launch interval of 2-3 s.
    The Pantsir-M will also be able to fire Hermes-K surface-to-surface missiles. Presumably, these missiles will be installed on Pantsir-M when the ship is operating in coastal areas where attacks by small boats are possible, or when strikes on the nearby coast are required. The Hermes-K can be equipped with semi-active laser guidance so that near over-the-horizon targets can be hit accurately if an advanced operational unit - such as a drone, aircraft, or special operations group - illuminates the target with a laser. Thanks to the unique configuration of the dual-magazine system, both missiles can be launched simultaneously.

  38. 0
    30 September 2021 12: 48
    It is no longer necessary to highlight targets for a long time, and the second experience of the Vietnam War showed that the main air defense force is fighter aircraft, the anti-aircraft missile system is used mainly for cleaning up after aviation.
    1. +2
      30 September 2021 15: 24
      Well, for fighters, we immediately merge NATO ..
      remains SAM and nuclear weapons ...
      and here a couple of extra minutes of the life of our air defense systems can give a chance to our aerospace forces with nuclear weapons ...
      for this, as correctly said above, the air defense should be a SYSTEM with a high saturation of the latest homing missiles and AI
      which is what Damantsev says ...
    2. 0
      30 September 2021 17: 02
      Quote: lada688
      the main air defense force is fighter aircraft

      Not really! The best air defense is our tanks at the enemy airfield! laughing
  39. +2
    30 September 2021 15: 33
    Author: So, we can only hope for the intensification of large-scale production and delivery of military air defense systems "Buk-M3", S-300V4, as well as S-350 "Vityaz" and S-500 "Prometey" (55R6M "Triumfator-M ...

    To fight with expensive missiles against relatively cheap and massive means of attack?

    1. Missiles are not enough, especially the S-500.
    2. The cost of the outfit of means to repel such a blow will go off scale.
    3. Do you need missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers in this case?
    1. +2
      30 September 2021 15: 58
      Quote: Pavel57
      Author: So, we can only hope for the intensification of large-scale production and delivery of military air defense systems "Buk-M3", S-300V4, as well as S-350 "Vityaz" and S-500 "Prometey" (55R6M "Triumfator-M ...

      To fight with expensive missiles against relatively cheap and massive means of attack?

      1. Missiles are not enough, especially the S-500.
      2. The cost of the outfit of means to repel such a blow will go off scale.
      3. Do you need missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers in this case?

      the answer should be complex:
      to strengthen the stability of large complexes, both by covering them with shells, tori, lasers, camouflage, their number can be by placing a part of them in armor protection.
      and equipping large complexes with long-range missiles with AI
    2. -3
      30 September 2021 17: 04
      Quote: Pavel57
      To fight with expensive missiles against relatively cheap and massive means of attack?

      1. Missiles are not enough, especially the S-500.
      2. The cost of the outfit of means to repel such a blow will go off scale.
      3. Do you need missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers in this case?

      Do not strain and calm down! Analytics in the RF Ministry of Defense are working fine. All the necessary measures have been taken, they just did not consider it necessary to inform you.
  40. +3
    30 September 2021 15: 59
    As usual, powerful and half a meter past. Perhaps the change in the principle of the radar guidance of the complex has some significance. But this is the tenth case.
    I would like to hear the answer to a really important question. Namely, when each NATO aircraft that takes off will release dozens of missiles, how will our complexes cope? How long will they last? Compare the dimensions (and real cost) of NATO missiles and our interceptor missiles. How is it? How many percent of at least one wave of attack will be able to repel our complexes before they run out of BC? twenty%? ten%? Smaller? What sustainability, what are you talking about?
    1. -2
      30 September 2021 17: 20
      First, intelligence works. It is impossible to hide preparations for such a strike, moreover, they are not instantaneous, the process of preparing for such an "event" has a very definite time frame. After identifying such preparations for the planes adversary (and this will already be determined uniquely) you will need to manage to take off ... crying And these airfields "for some reason" and "suddenly" will be unable to release and receive aircraft ... Thirdly, those who have flown in (who are "lucky") will still need fly over to the launch line ... crying And fourthly, the missiles separated from the carrier aircraft, too, will still need fly over to the borders of the Russian Federation. After all, the boundaries of the action of the echeloned air defense of the Russian Federation are not limited to the physical borders of the Russian Federation. I will not decipher the methods of influencing the airfields of the "partners", if you are a career military man - and so you understand everything, but if not - then you and not allowed know! soldier
      1. +2
        30 September 2021 21: 07
        Sorry, but your answer is completely incorrect. To hope that it will be possible to crush hundreds of enemy airfields ... are you serious ?! Good to push propaganda for XNUMXth grade, guys. It's not just stupid, it's offensive. I come here to communicate with adults. No need for such "answers", please.
    2. 0
      30 September 2021 17: 26
      Quote: Mikhail3
      What kind of resilience, what are you talking about?

      Clear! In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (or the USSR) they did not serve ANY HOUR, otherwise they would understand that we are talking about BATTLE STABILITY - this is the term. And therefore - to chew everything, I think, is pointless. One thing I can say for sure: you can sleep peacefully!
  41. -2
    30 September 2021 17: 46
    One thing is not clear. How about launching missiles from dropped containers? Why can't the same transporters be equipped with the same "drum" launch? Surely it would be faster and more efficient.
    Looks like another Amerovski dough cut!
    1. 0
      4 October 2021 11: 04
      Just the development and installation of drum PUs will be a cut! And so, pallets with missiles were loaded into any transport plane and dropped at the entrance to the launch point. Economical.
  42. 0
    30 September 2021 19: 50
    Cool!
    And why should they hack our air defense in the areas described by the author?
    To gobble YABCh through the green areas and the city on the hill?
    Are Americans so stupid?
  43. AML
    0
    1 October 2021 08: 00
    Quote: Basarev
    And if you shoot not at rockets, but at carriers? Hercules has neither stealth, nor low altitude, it is also slow and huge - it's hard not to get hit.

    Well this is unsportsmanlike and not gentlemanly. Also tell me that you need to immediately zhahnut MBR on the territory. What are they for?
  44. -2
    1 October 2021 17: 44
    as soon as only preparation for a global strike is discovered, and it (preparation) cannot be carried out unnoticed. since this is 10 thousand missiles in prelaunch readiness, then .... the enemy will not have to rely on the electromagnetic field, gps, and possibly the optical range.
    1. AML
      +1
      2 October 2021 22: 07
      I will not say anything about the very presence of 10 thousand missiles, but forgive me, but why should I launch them? The rocket launcher is not a machine gun; it cannot fire in bursts.
      1. -1
        3 October 2021 10: 01
        Well, this is preparation for a global strike ... Where to launch, where to place? What to transport ... all this will be in the focus of intelligence. The figure of 10 thousand (non-nuclear) is the max. of those that were offered according to various estimates for the destruction (inability to resist - surrender) of the Russian Federation.
  45. 0
    3 October 2021 01: 41
    Quote: hrych
    Whether the massive use of subsonic missile launchers will not lead to a retaliatory strike by our ICBMs

    I would like to believe that ours "bang", but ...
    The grandchildren and daughter of one of the key ministers are citizens of Israel!
    Can you imagine this in the USSR?
    The secret carrier is from the country's leadership, and the children are citizens of another, not friendly country.
    And it is a sin to laugh at the author like that, he is a great idealist, he believes that this is a bad situation, with the lag in the defense complex can be leveled.
    1. 0
      3 October 2021 22: 20
      As for children and grandchildren, as long as the President and the Minister of Defense of Russia spend their holidays in Siberia, "grandchildren and children" will not make up a critical mass. But if the President and the Defense Ministry "reach out" for them, and the Anglo-Saxons and the French in the Government of the Russian Federation begin to meet, then yes, we will have to forget about the strategic nuclear forces, GAZ and their other "bowels". One hope remains that a JUST SOCIETY for Human Civilization will be completed by China ...
      Unfortunately, the First Standard Bearer usually dies in battle. The first Danko was. Killed. But HUMANITY gave FIRE ...!
  46. 0
    3 October 2021 21: 55
    The President of Russia has already answered all such insinuations: "Why do we need such a World if there is no Russia in it."
    This means that ANY ACTIONS THAT CREATE A CRITICAL THREAT TO THE EXISTENCE OF RUSSIA, THE RESPONSE WILL BE ONE - AN IMMEDIATE STRIKE OF THE RUSSIAN SYSF ON THE TARGETS THAT WILL MAKE THIS THREAT.
    Namely, first of all, the Russian strategic nuclear forces will strike at the control centers and shelters of persons (including lobbyists) who, out of thoughtlessness, decided that they could destroy Russia. For it is they who are the main culprits of the paranoid Russophobic policy and its PROBABLE consequence - "a catastrophic decision to destroy Russia." The coordinates of these centers and shelters are known.
    It should also be borne in mind that the leadership of Russia and the overwhelming majority of Russians understand that the destruction of the Control Centers of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces, ECONOMY, HISTORY OF RUSSIA IS EQUAL TO THE DESTRUCTION OF RUSSIA ITSELF.
    The President of Russia said this all without detailing, but quite clearly. Therefore, if the brains of Russophobes are not completely baked from Russophobia, then they will not do any "container" launch of JASSM-ER (or something else that really threatens Russia).
    By the way, that is why Russophobes today started the "old song about the main thing" - about nuclear disarmament. In the 90s, they also advocated abandoning missile defense and, in the end, unilaterally withdrew from it. It was hoped that economically defeated Russia after the 90s would not be able to create its own effective missile defense system. The strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation will develop their resources and the States will be able to dictate their conditions to Russia the way they dictate them today to Ukraine or Bulgaria, for example. It didn't work out. So they pulled nuclear disarmament out of the store again ... Their military budget is 10 times larger than the Russian budget. Military bases all over the world, oceanic fleets in unimaginable quantities ... There will be no nuclear weapons - "they are on horseback again." Not quality, so quantity will crush ... Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, eloquent examples of that ...
    1. 0
      4 October 2021 08: 46
      Illumination radar 30 / 92Н6Е, at a 25 m tower, it is a bulky, structure with known coordinates, it is easily recognizable both on the ground and during transportation, in principle it cannot be reliably protected, and at the same time its height is limited by the height of the mast, perhaps one could think of raising the radar antenna using a UAV (helicopter) on a leash powered by a cable from a ground generator. hitting such a station with an anti-radar missile will be much more difficult
  47. 0
    7 October 2021 01: 57
    Quote: Anatoly Bukharin
    Their military budget is 10 times larger.

    It's okay, if only one offshore Chemezov is "dispossessed", the balance will change dramatically in our favor.
    In general, who will give the answer?
    All the relatives of the dear oligarch-patriots are there, over the hill. Their children and grandchildren received the citizenship of Israel, the United States, and Britain.
  48. 0
    19 October 2021 13: 56
    The best air defense weapon is TNW Yes
    The flight time does not exceed the preparation time for take-off of "specialized military transport aircraft EC-130J Super J and C-17A Globmaster III"
    Sormat ICBMs will operate at distant airbases