Washington and London rob Canberra of innocence

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Washington and London rob Canberra of innocence

The situation in world politics is heating up. Contradictions between allies, mutual claims, unsubstantiated accusations, rattling weapons and so on, so on, so on. Americans say one thing, think another, do a third. The British remembered about the bygone greatness of the sea power and the world hegemon and allow themselves to do bad things even to their allied neighbors.

NATO pretends to maintain solidity and strength. At the same time, NATO member Turkey at the official level is already making territorial claims not only to those countries that fell under the alliance, like Georgia or Ukraine, but also to the member states of the bloc: Cyprus and Greece.



Another member of the alliance, Poland, practically demands the transfer of the main strike power to its territory. Moreover, it calls on the military to take away the Kaliningrad region from Russia.

Russia, China and a number of other countries are looking at this “from the other side of the street” and doing their job. Moscow is strengthening its defenses and showing NATO its readiness not only to defend itself, but also to strike back.

China, in its usual style, looks at all this with detachment and increases its own economic power, develops modern industry and strengthens its own independence from Western technologies.

Probably the main news last week - this is the creation of a new military alliance of the United States, Australia and Britain, as well as the break by Australia of a multibillion-dollar contract with France for the construction of several submarines. The Americans have made sure that now Australian billions will go to the United States or Britain. It is with these countries that Canberra is now friends.

Some analysts rub their hands together, predicting the collapse of NATO. France, like an offended girl, demonstratively refuses to talk to Americans, British and Australians.

But the question arises, where will France "go from the submarine"?

Who, besides NATO, can provide the French with a position, if not a primary ally of the United States, but a secondary one for sure?

The French have done enough shit to the countries opposing the alliance, and now these states are unlikely to agree to cooperate with Paris. It will not work to play once again the independence and strength of our own army, as it happened under General de Gaulle.

Refusal of NATO membership will lead to a decrease in the country's political status.

The principle "who dines a girl, he dances her" also works in politics.

Australia decided to strip political innocence


What do we know about Australia?

The majority of readers' perception of this country is formed by the famous film "Crocodile Dundee". A huge country-continent, with a small population, which absolutely does not care about the rest of the world. A sort of world outskirts. Not particularly useful to anyone and not particularly disturbing to anyone. At the same time, Australians are quite happy and prosperous for the most part.

Indeed, until recently, this was exactly the case. Australia lived its own life, not particularly interested in European and even world political collisions. There are no enemies nearby who would threaten the country. Friends too. All events take place somewhere far away. Australians are used to living outside of world politics, as it were.

On the one hand, this fact plays a negative role in the light of taking part in solving world problems. On the other hand, Australia successfully copes with many of its own.

The greatest achievement of such a government policy is stability in politics, the lives of ordinary people and the country's position in the world.

Today Australia is a really comfortable country to live in. 13th economy in the world with a population of only about 26 million people (54th in the world). Australians have achieved a lot in almost every area of ​​life. Excellent medicine, education, social conquest ...

Australia has no enemies, and therefore Australia's army and defense forces are small and designed specifically for defense. The ground forces are about 45-46 thousand people, the navy has about 16 thousand people and the air force - about 17 and a half thousand people.

It is possible, of course, to perceive this state as some kind of world "khatoskrainik", but, I think, it is, rather, a world political "virgin". A country that has not saluted its many boyfriends and is a quiet member of the family - the British Commonwealth of Nations. At the same time, the Australian Union participates in many international organizations. Including G 20.

The entry of the Australian Union into the military alliance AUKUS (with the United States and Britain) means that the country will be deprived of its "innocent girl" status. Australia gets not only close friends, but also a "close enemy" - China.

Why is the new submarine contract changing the attitude of the world powers towards the AU?


It would seem, what does the world community care about some kind of contract for the production of submarines in some country?

It is clear that France was offended. And for what?

When the contract for the production of the Mistrals was terminated, Paris did not take offense. The client, in this case the customer of the PL, has the right to choose what he needs.

It is worth figuring out why Canberra ordered a submarine in France at all?

The answer is simple enough. Boats could provide protection of the Australian coast from attack. For a continental country, washed by the ocean from all sides, this is important.

Barracuda Shortfin boats are diesel-electric and therefore have a limited range.

Submarines of this type cannot compete with submarines in terms of speed. And many other things from the "filling" of the submarine are significantly inferior to the equipment of the nuclear submarine. What is normal combat duty for a nuclear submarine is impossible in principle for a submarine. Fuel, life support systems, weapons, etc. do not allow.

What have the US and Britain proposed?

The offer was precisely from the series "which you cannot refuse." A nuclear submarine with a full range of the most modern weapons and other "beauties".

From dirt to Kings. Australia is one of the few countries with a nuclear submarine ...

That sounds.

True, it is not yet clear who and what is going to build for the Australians?

Too different proposals from the United States and Britain. Everything is extremely closed. This secrecy creates an additional background for the imagination of analysts and experts.

Why do the Americans and the British need it?

Alas, concern for the safety of Australians has nothing to do with it. On the contrary, the appearance of nuclear submarines as part of the Australian Navy will lead to a decision by the opposing side to change target designations for missiles with nuclear weapons towards Australian territory.

Canberra is just a puppet in the hands of the Americans and the British. The main target of Washington and London is Beijing. The tactics of the Americans and the British are always distinguished by their predictability, the desire to repeat what has already led to a positive result.

And what do the West consider a “great victory for democracy”?

The collapse of the USSR, which led to the arms race. A monster that was destroyed by huge arms costs. At least, this is the point of view that dominates in the West.

China is more and more confident in its actions on the seas. The PRC fleet is already threatening US dominance in the region. At the same time, the overwhelming superiority of the American fleet, leveled by the proximity of the territory of the PRC, from which it is possible to strike at the US ships. And the ally in the person of Japan binds the United States hand and foot.

But there is Australia!

China's industry is increasingly demanding energy. Oil is the lifeblood of industry. And supplies of cheap oil can only be carried out across the Indian Ocean.

This is where American interest lies.

China has only two routes to this ocean. Either through the Strait of Malacca or past Australia. The Australians, having a nuclear sub, easily enter the Indian Ocean and block the strait. And the fact that Chinese ships will go under the coastal batteries of the Australian army is not considered at all.

Will there be enough nuclear submarines for the Australians?

Quite if China does not increase the quantity and quality by the time the contract ends. 8 modern nuclear submarines against 9 Chinese ones, with much worse characteristics. In addition, a certain number of boats will be from the British and American navies. So the allies will also outnumber the Chinese.

So, in the person of the Commonwealth of Australia, China gets a very serious enemy of regional importance, which can cause serious troubles in a special period. Hence follows the logical decision that the Chinese will have to start building new submarines, increase their stockpiles of nuclear weapons and deploy missiles to strike at Australia.

The Australians, on the other hand, receive the threat of nuclear strikes on their own territory, which will force them to build a serious missile defense system. Which also costs a lot.

And only the United States and Britain wash their hands. They will "gladly share their anti-missile weapons" for a fee.

A bluff to be believed


The beautiful picture is pictured above. Almost a win-win for the AUKUS unit.

China, whether it wants it or not, will have to respond to such a serious threat. Today, there are not many ways by which hydrocarbons can be delivered to the PRC. And all these paths can be destroyed in a short time.

And other adversaries of the United States, Russia and Iran, should think a hundred times before paving the way for new supply routes to China. Or spend serious money on the creation of an anti-missile defense system in the area of ​​pipelines.

And all this can be achieved for little money, which the Australians will also pay.

If not for one thing but ...

This operation was very crudely concocted. Or designed for perfect amateurs. And the Chinese are not Europeans either. How many times have they surprised the world with their solutions to the tasks set for China?

Perhaps, for example, none of the serious analysts will say unequivocally: is China an ally or an adversary?

Yes, situationally, the PRC can be anyone, but in a strategic perspective it is a "state in itself" and "for itself."

First, let's remember what the US and British navies have in terms of multipurpose nuclear submarines?

In service with Britain today is the nuclear submarine "Astyut", and in service with the US Navy - the nuclear submarine "Virginia". It is clear that the British nuclear submarine is a priori worse than the American one.

But both of these boats are superior not only to the old Chinese “Project 091” (3 units), but also to the newer “Project 093” (6 units). Let me remind you that Australia was offered 8 modern nuclear submarines until 2030. Eight modern nuclear submarines against nine clearly outdated nuclear submarines ...

Now for the questions.

When and where can these submarines be built?

British shipyards cannot handle orders even for their own fleet. The Americans have been building Virginias for themselves for 5 years.

The Australian Adelaide that the Australian media is shouting about?

And what about the components that even their shipyards lack? And the experts who are literally worth their weight in gold?

Experts have already calculated the capabilities of the shipyard in Adelaide. During the construction of a ready-made and proven project, such as "Virginia", the creation of 8 nuclear submarines will take a minimum, with ideal supplies and logistics, the presence of highly qualified specialists and other greenhouse conditions, 14 years! That is, it is simply physically impossible to ensure the fulfillment of the contract by 2030.

Maybe we are talking about a completely new nuclear submarine?

There are no reports of any new project in the American press. But in the British one - there is. No details, but the boat is really different from the existing one. Only the problems of the new project began a long time ago, and the British cannot yet solve them. Therefore, it is doubtful that Britain will be able to meet the contract by 2030.

The calculations described above were naturally made by experts from all interested countries. And the conclusions were made. For example, Australian Defense Minister Peter Dutton said that the Australian government would not wait. The submarine will be leased.

Who? And who can give "Astyuta" and "Virginia"?

Only the United States and Britain.

I don't understand why there was a rush to announce the formation of a new military bloc and advertise the Australian nuclear submarine, if the plans are not feasible a priori?

Scare China?

It is doubtful that Beijing will be scared.

And the fact that Canberra will receive an answer is not even discussed. Not military, but tough. And by the time the nuclear submarine appears, completely different issues will be relevant. Although, everything can be.

The Chinese, I repeat, know how to surprise.

Some conclusions


Considering the new knot tied by the Americans and the British is quite difficult.

At first glance, it is obvious that the United States has decided to send Europe to float freely. Washington understands that the situation has gone too far, and the likelihood of a military conflict is high enough. The Americans do not want to take part in a possible war.

On the other hand, there are huge investments made in the European economy that need to be returned. A serious military bloc, which today is the strongest in the world. Well-established connections in business, politics, culture and other areas ...

The shift of emphasis to the east indicates that Beijing has become the main enemy for Washington and London.

It is China that is economically destroying the entire system of interstate relations built in the postwar years. The goal of the Anglo-Saxons is the Chinese economy. Moreover, Russia, having a military advantage, nevertheless does not express a desire to solve problems by military means.

I am amazed at the sums used by the politicians of the new alliance. Hundreds of billions to complete a mythical task. Such investments are possible only in one case, if there is confidence that they will return.

How can I get my money back?

I think there is no need to explain. I don’t want to become a messenger of trouble, but it smells of conflict strongly.

One more thing.

I don't understand the logic of the Australian government. By entering into a deal with such a powerful state as the United States, Australia will lose some of its sovereignty. At least in the area of ​​relations with China. The country is quite successful and without commitments to Washington.

What was the reason for such a change in the orientation of the state?

So, I repeat, the most interesting knot is being tightened ...

As strange as it may sound, international relations began to resemble a card game of poker. Everyone is bluffing ...

Let's see how Beijing responds in the coming days ...
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  1. +17
    28 September 2021 04: 39
    ... It is possible, of course, to perceive this state as some kind of world "khatoskrainik", but, I think, it is, rather, a world political "virgin". A country that has not saluted its many boyfriends and is a quiet member of the family - the British Commonwealth of Nations.

    Probably everyone has their own concept of "virginity"))
    From the participation of the contingent at Gallipoli, for the British crown, to the permanent participation in the RIMPAC, in our times
    There is nowhere to put a stigma ...))
    1. +12
      28 September 2021 06: 02
      From contingent participation at Gallipoli, for the British crown, to permanent participation in the RIMPAC
      By the way, yes, but according to the author, it was as if they lived on another planet just like that.
      1. +5
        28 September 2021 06: 09
        ... and saw this flag somewhere)))
      2. 0
        28 September 2021 06: 54
        Reading the first paragraphs, I just experienced an orgasm!
        How bad they are! Just some kind of holiday! But then a worm of doubt crept in - everything was too bad. Above your head ...
        And only when he saw who the author of the article was, he sighed in disappointment - he is a bad predictor. There will be none of this ...
    2. +10
      28 September 2021 06: 09
      Yes, and SEATO with ANZUS, as it were, are not very peaceful blocs. With such a virgin you will be careful not to have anything to do, you never know what you can pick up laughing
  2. 0
    28 September 2021 04: 54
    Australia also purchased 75 units. Abrams tanks in the M1A2C version. This is not counting ARVs and bridgelayers, with spare engines and other goodies.
    1. KCA
      +2
      28 September 2021 05: 19
      I wonder why? In the event of an invasion of China, 75 tanks are just about nothing, 750 will still hold out for a couple of days, in Australia they also like to cut money?
      1. +2
        28 September 2021 06: 51
        I wonder why?

        Strengthening your tank forces. Australia has less than a hundred M1A1 tanks. This is their only MBT.

        In the event of an invasion of China, 75 tanks are just about nothing, 750 will still hold out for a couple of days, in Australia they also like to cut money?

        This does not mean that you have to sit and do nothing. 75 is better than 0 (zero).
        And then, China will have to deal with the US Navy, since they can deliver equipment and soldiers only through the Pacific Ocean, and there they cannot immediately build up a grouping in order to sweep away the Australians.
        1. KCA
          +1
          28 September 2021 07: 05
          If China cannot approach the shores of Australia, then there is no point in tanks, and if it can, then a hundred MBT will not help, Taiwan has XNUMX tanks, plus light armored vehicles
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 07: 49
            If China cannot approach the shores of Australia, then there is no point in tanks, and if it can, then a hundred MBT will not help, Taiwan has XNUMX tanks, plus light armored vehicles

            Destroying limited troops with tanks is easier. And again, it's stupid to do nothing, given the difference in strength. If the Chinese have more tanks, this does not mean that they should not have their own.
            For example, you don't have to go far, let's take our and the American fleet. No one will argue that the American fleet is stronger, much stronger, but we are laying down new ships and commissioning them without thinking that the balance of power will not change.
      2. +4
        28 September 2021 09: 41
        Australia has large modern UDCs and they are quite capable of landing troops on the islands, if necessary. And then the tanks will come in handy.
    2. -1
      28 September 2021 13: 17
      Quote: Bradley
      Australia also purchased 75 units. Abrams tanks in the M1A2C version. This is not counting ARVs and bridgelayers, with spare engines and other goodies.

      on the Island, they are badly needed ... wassat
  3. +1
    28 September 2021 05: 52
    France offended? Let others saw. And of course Macron will be worn with the idea of ​​creating a European army. This question has already been raised again. Six times, that's exactly. It's not about the quality of the nuclear submarine. America is taking revenge for Russian gas. Sanctions were imposed, and you are against. We will supply gas to Asia. These are druzya. Yes, and we also do not need to take other people's problems onto our souls. Nobody cares about our problems.
  4. +10
    28 September 2021 05: 53
    The greatest achievement of such a government policy is stability in politics, in the lives of ordinary people. At the same time, Australians are quite happy and prosperous for the most part.
    What else do ordinary people need ..
  5. +6
    28 September 2021 06: 00
    Australia has "virginity" with a "lightning" ...
    The French have done enough shit to the countries opposing the alliance, and now these states are unlikely to agree to cooperate with Paris.
    ... Announce the entire list .. which NATO countries are opposed? Let's count on the fingers. Russia is one time, Belarus is two .. and there are still fingers on my hand.
    1. 0
      28 September 2021 06: 40
      And the British aircraft carrier and the French did not wander to the shores of China? Iran, which has a lot of oil, has no graters? And he is a member of the SCO now. BRICS and SCO of France are closed at once
    2. +4
      28 September 2021 07: 59
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia - one time, Belarus - two ..

      S. Korea - three, Venezuela - four, Syria - five, Burma - six, etc. ... yes, and who sent the President of the United States far away - Duterte? As the hunchback said: "The main thing is to start, and the process will go on."
      1. +4
        28 September 2021 09: 26
        And China?) In fact, he is all of the above alone.
    3. +1
      28 September 2021 13: 18
      Quote: parusnik
      Australia has "virginity" with a "lightning" ...
      The French have done enough shit to the countries opposing the alliance, and now these states are unlikely to agree to cooperate with Paris.
      ... Announce the entire list .. which NATO countries are opposed? Let's count on the fingers. Russia is one time, Belarus is two .. and there are still fingers on my hand.

      Lyokha, and S. Korea, and China, and Venezuela in the end? laughing
      1. 0
        28 September 2021 17: 54
        Honestly, I haven’t heard of such a military-political alliance where, in addition to Russia, North Korea, China, Venezuela, Belarus, the Internal Affairs Directorate were included, I remember this organization positioned itself as a counterweight to NATO, but maybe it missed something and there is such an alliance. laughing
  6. +2
    28 September 2021 09: 14
    Nothing personal just business
  7. +1
    28 September 2021 09: 14
    A virgin after seven abortions, as they used to say in my youth.
  8. +2
    28 September 2021 09: 23
    In the first place, all this means that Australia is no longer an official Anglo-Saxon bomb shelter. When it became clear that nuclear weapons were very dangerous and would infect theaters of war for many millennia, everyone thought that the Anglo-Saxon elite would flee to Australia. Such a safe alternate airfield)
    Of course it was a bluff. Most likely, Bhutan was such a platform, well, and some other modest territories that you can't even think of. However, for many decades the legend was kept alive. Well, the old idea was defiantly abandoned. Not just boats, but with technology! Sounds ...
    It seems that someone is going to a-bank. It's funny that the flagships of capitalism are losing in what, it would seem, are stronger than everyone else. In money. This is what it really means to use the advantages of socialism. And not to arrange sanatoriums for strappers right in the highest power, in every possible way slowing down any modern thought.
    The player puts everything on the line when there is nothing to lose, or when he is sure of victory completely and completely. What do you think this option is?
  9. +2
    28 September 2021 09: 36
    Washington and London rob Canberra of innocence

    This is not entirely true. Australia has long played along with the United States and England against Russia and China. Now China will supplement its nuclear capabilities with missiles aimed at Australia.
  10. +5
    28 September 2021 09: 42
    Washington and London rob Canberra of innocence

    Yes, there was no innocence. As it was not during WW2. Australia quickly entered the war with Japan as soon as the threat of expansion arose. And now the situation is absolutely similar. China is actively increasing its presence in the region. So far, mostly economic. But judging by the pace of development, the PLA is not far from "protecting its economic interests." So the steps of Canberra to strengthen its armed forces are quite logical. And the contract with the French was from this particular opera. And it is quite logical to abandon the French contract in favor of the American-British one, since their level is incomparable. Obtaining a nuclear submarine instead of a diesel engine takes Australia from the category of regional players to the category of world players. And it allows you to radically change the tone of the dialogue with China.
    And about energy resources, I do not agree with the author. It is foolish to "drive" into the isolation of China from the sea, when that China has a completely land border with such a source of hydrocarbons as Russia.
  11. 0
    28 September 2021 09: 57
    Washington and London rob Canberra of innocence
    Exactly! She had a submarine inserted THERE. Six. laughing
  12. 0
    28 September 2021 10: 27
    Australia is poised to lose 32,2% of its exports. China ranks 1st in trade with Australia, outstripping Japan by 2 times.
  13. -3
    28 September 2021 10: 30
    Another member of the alliance, Poland, practically demands the transfer of the main strike power to its territory. Moreover, it calls on the military to take away the Kaliningrad region from Russia.

    Proofs in the studio, are there facts, or is this a simple whipping / pulling an owl onto a globe?
  14. -1
    28 September 2021 17: 24
    A new commercial move is to create an alliance and sell weapons.
    How can they not get confused there, who is against whom ?!
  15. +1
    28 September 2021 18: 41
    It's hard now to guess what's what on the coffee grounds. We must wait for the next moves. I personally think that this alliance is a transitional stage and it is not known exactly with whom and against whom.
    Variants are possible. 1. Canada and New Zealand are attracted (they also lose their non-nuclear virginity along the way). Here we have the long-awaited Anglo-Saxon World Union, which will gradually be torn away from the degrading European Union and NATO. Brexit is one of its stages. 2. Taiwan is invited as an observer - here is a clear plan to step on Comrade Xi's corn. 3. The same, but with Japan - there is an open threat to Russia. I don't want to be a prophet (most of them ended badly) but I have a right to my own opinion. Moreover, living in Britain, I grab scraps of information that can be lost during translation and retelling and put them together.
    1. 0
      28 September 2021 18: 54
      Moreover, living in Britain
      And how did you, living in Britain, slap almost the only reason for Brexit?
      1. 0
        16 October 2021 19: 50
        And it was as if someone asked us! We arranged a circus vote where the Brexiters won by a fraction of a percent (officially) although, according to my pretenses, ~ 70% of the population were against. Just like in 91 with the referendum on the preservation of the Union.
        1. -1
          16 October 2021 22: 08
          according to my pretenses, ~ 70% of the population were against it.
          I represent your social circle laughing - according to my pretenses, 80% were just for the hasty leaving of a friendly European family, breaking into England for benefits (I communicate almost exclusively with the locals).
          circus - vote where the Brexiters won
          You are not satisfied with the result - the vote is bad Yes
          1. 0
            30 November 2021 23: 27
            Dear, it was for Brexit that mainly people with a lower level of education and intelligence voted. If you are at least a little fluent in English, read any article on voting statistics.
            1. 0
              30 November 2021 23: 32
              A very popular theory among the "creative class" that explains to them how much better and smarter they are lol ... They weren't Yes ... Brexit is popular among middle-income whites - the Colored British, for example, were overwhelmingly opposed. There were also marginals against - they are usually on the leftist positions.
              speak a little english
              There is little Yes ... In the mass media, a completely different reality - they all advocated an alliance and described the incredible horrors that would befall Britain upon leaving. But in communication, the picture is completely different.
  16. 0
    29 September 2021 07: 32
    They will not have time to build new apl for Australia. Right. But the old US submarines can transfer
  17. 0
    1 October 2021 11: 22
    I don't understand the logic of the Australian government.

    Yes, no one really asked him, they just notified him. The Americans hope to add India, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia to this union. That is, to surround China from the sea and start provocations that impede its maritime navigation in this region, which will inevitably lead to a decline in its production, problems in the economy and, accordingly, in domestic politics. Ideally - to repeat the trick with the landing of the economy, which led to the collapse of the USSR. There is, however, a nuance - in response, the traffic of Russian Railways and the NSR will increase, so that the real result of their actions will depend on the dynamics of these processes (in the sense that it will be faster - a decline in traffic in the Indian Ocean or an increase in Russian Railways and the NSR).