What surprise awaits the operators of the Iron Dome air defense missile system if it is used in the Donbas? Russian defense industry is famous not only for MLRS

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For almost one and a half weeks in the observing circles of Ukrainian and domestic news and military analytical portals, discussions about the consequences of the probable delivery of two batteries of the Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile / anti-missile complex to the Air Force, which never took up permanent combat duty as part of the network-centric air defense-missile defense system of the US Ground Forces in connection with the slipping of the hardware and software integration of the combat control points of the Israeli air defense systems in the information field of the unified PBUs of the EOC / IBCS family ("Engagement Operations Centers") of the American Patriot PAC-3MSE anti-aircraft missile systems.

The capabilities of the Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile systems in the architecture of the anti-missile umbrella of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


The Russophobic-minded audience, the so-called military "experts", as well as representatives of the defense department of "Nezalezhnaya" continue not only to dream, but also foaming at the mouth to talk about the ability of the "Iron Dome" complexes to erect a truly "impenetrable" anti-missile system over the Donbass theater of operations / anti-aircraft barrier, which is a full-fledged no-fly zone, supposedly eliminating even the minimal likelihood of effective artillery and aviation support of the defending units of the army corps of the NM LDNR in the event that Kiev implements an escalation scenario in the region.



Our audience and expert circles agree that the deployment in Donbass of two divisions of the Iron Dome air defense missile system (even taking into account the batteries of the C-300V1 medium-range air defense system and the C-300PS regiment that have already entered combat duty) cannot lead to a radical shift in the balance of forces in favor of the defensive capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in comparison with the strike potential of the MFA and the Aerospace Forces of Russia.

In reality, after a detailed acquaintance with the tactical and technical parameters and the functioning of the guidance and control systems of the Tamir missile interceptors, the EL / M-2084 S-band AFAR target designation / guidance radars, it can be concluded that in the case of deployment two batteries of the "Iron Dome" in the Donbass, the operational-tactical alignment for the 1st and 2nd army corps of the LDNR and Russian MFA units in the Southern Military District will become noticeably more complicated.

In particular, the EL / M-2084 multichannel radar systems will provide the ability to simultaneously target an almost unlimited number (about 200 objects per minute) of airborne objects "captured" for precise auto-tracking. Consequently, the Tamir anti-missile arrays equipped with active radar seeker are able to easily “stop” a couple of salvoes of the Uragan, Grad and Smerch / Tornado-S MLRSs, which have non-maneuvering 220-mm 9M27F missiles / K, 122 mm RS of the 9M22U family and 300 mm RS of the 9M55K / 9M542 line.

The aforementioned rockets are equipped with standard aerodynamic stabilizers and gas-dynamic units, which do not provide anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of more than 3-5 G, which allows the Tamir missiles to freely intercept these types of air attack weapons.

The presence of additional photocontrast optoelectronic sensors in the radio-electronic architecture of the ARGSN anti-missile system Tamir also increases the likelihood of intercepting missiles, detecting the appearance of silhouettes of the widest spectrum of aerospace attack weapons.

In the same turn, it should be noted that anti-aircraft guided missiles "Tamir" still do not have either gas-dynamic belts of transverse control engines (they are present in the control systems of the MIM-104PAC-3MSE and "Aster-30" missiles), or gas-jet / spoiler systems. thrust vector deviations (integrated into the control systems of the RIM-162B ESSM Block II and 9M317MA Buk-M3 missiles), due to which they are unable to intercept aerospace attack weapons performing high-intensity anti-aircraft maneuvers.

In particular, two or three 9M723-1 Iskander-M operational-tactical ballistic missiles are quite enough to suppress a pair of Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile batteries.

Unlike the 300-mm adjustable / guided missiles of the 9M55K "Smerch" and 9M542 "Tornado-S" families, the 9M723-1 OTBR boasts advanced tail aerodynamic rudders of a large area, as well as 4 twin tail gas-dynamic nozzle blocks powered from individual gas generators with quick-acting butterfly valves.

These units, in combination with aerodynamic rudders and specialized modes of operation of the inertial navigation system, provide the 9M723-1 OTBR with the ability to implement anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of 25-30 G, which is quite enough to level the maneuverability of the Tamir interceptors.

Consequently, the supply of two batteries of the Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile system to the air defense forces of the "Square" will only be able to ensure the suppression of retaliatory missile and artillery strikes carried out by rocket artillery divisions (ReADn) MLRS "Uragan", "Grad" and "Smerch", limited the number of which is in service with the 1st and 2nd army corps of the People's Militia of the LDNR.

The involvement of even a single battery of 9K720 Iskander-M tactical missile systems of the Russian Missile Forces and artillery in the suppression of the Iron Dome air defense system will, with the maximum degree of probability, ensure the achievement of the desired result.
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  1. +51
    20 September 2021 15: 06
    There is no signature under the article, but the title and the abundance of abbreviations tells me that, most likely, Damantsev ...)
    1. +7
      20 September 2021 15: 23
      Of course it is.
      1. +4
        21 September 2021 07: 42
        That's great!

        Therefore, the Tamir anti-missile arrays equipped with active radar seeker,

        Now count how many $ or rubles. it will cost to reflect one volley, well, let's say the Grada.
        1. +2
          21 September 2021 10: 51
          Quote: user
          Now count how many $ or rubles. it will cost to reflect one volley, well, let's say the Grada.

          there is a problem with reflection. in Syria has already been checked. two (not divisions, just two) Grads break through the iron dome without any problems and hit the target request
          1. -1
            21 September 2021 14: 01
            The Iron Dome has been totally ridiculized by Gaza, until the point of to force Israel to find and to sign a truce. Now everyone is better armed than Gaza, that observed the situation knows how to reach the saturation of the Iron Dome, and how to defeat the systems in the first attack to them.

            Actually Ukraine can not protect effectively the Iron Dome systems from attacks by saturation. Neither the United States. And attacks by saturation are not expensive, taking into account that can include effectively in the mix man-portable launched rockets, or even small homemade rockets, (Gaza proved the last).
            1. +3
              22 September 2021 11: 34
              this is a deeper problem. Air and missile defense is not the Iron Dome or the S-400. Air defense and missile defense is a complex of means of detection and destruction. echeloned defense. If instead of this system there are separate elements, it will turn out like in Nagorno-Karabakh, where they could not even cope with low-speed drones ...
              As a result, for Ukraine, an iron dome is an expensive object missile defense system that protects against a narrow spectrum of threats. It is also worth noting that ammunition for this complex is not produced in Ukraine, they will also have to be purchased.
              most of all, this acquisition is similar to the development of the military budget request Naturally, Russia is quite happy with the fact that Ukraine buys such useless and non-integrable systems and, due to a lack of budget, saves on salaries for military personnel wassat
            2. 0
              22 September 2021 19: 18
              Yes, that's right. the iron dome in Israel could not provide 100% protection
            3. +1
              23 September 2021 20: 46
              Why minus the guy, he gave you a detailed inability to hold a massive attack on the dome, from the word "absolutely"
    2. +6
      20 September 2021 15: 26
      And who doesn't recognize him? The smoking-room is alive. belay
    3. 0
      20 September 2021 15: 44
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      There is no signature under the article, but the title and the abundance of abbreviations tells me that, most likely, Damantsev ...)

      I also came to this conclusion. By the way, he previously wrote that the JK is in service with Azerbaijan. Fantasy, fantasy ...
    4. +3
      20 September 2021 20: 15
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      the title and the abundance of abbreviations tells me

      And also a "link" to performance characteristics, which the mentioned "persons" do not really possess!
    5. +3
      22 September 2021 08: 20
      If I were a Palestinian rocketman, Israel would have had a hard time
      Firstly, I would put cluster warheads on the "big cassams" launched across Israel. This is easy and very effective. If you divide into 72 submunitions in flight, as in our "Smerch", the Jews will be tortured to catch each one. Well, the affected area will increase dramatically. And you can also add at least the simplest maneuvering, say, in the form of a spiral flight - the trajectory will become very difficult to calculate.
      After all, now rockets fall roughly like a stone, it is very easy to hit them. And you can also stuff the warhead with blanks - false targets. That would be fun!

      Secondly, I would not use explosives, but an incendiary mixture on "small cashmasses". In this case, knocking it down is useless, worse, it can even improve its effectiveness. She will not detonate in the air like a conventional high-explosive warhead, but spray and fall down with combustion, as befits an incendiary bomb.

      Also, missiles with radiation that suppress the operating frequencies of the Israeli missile defense would not hurt.

      So the delights on the internet about the Israeli Iron Dome missile defense are very ridiculous. After all, it can be reset to zero simply with a snap of your finger. It only works against very simple guys with sooooo simple brains.
      https://gosh100.livejournal.com/276870.html
      1. +5
        22 September 2021 10: 00
        Only one thing saves Israel - you are not a Palestinian rocket scientist)))
        1. +1
          22 September 2021 10: 26
          Quote: Iris
          Only one thing saves Israel - you are not a Palestinian rocket scientist)))

          That's right!
      2. +2
        23 September 2021 20: 51
        Maxim, this situation has long been (the Vietnam War) and has been deliberately sucked by specialists. Two devices - on the sides and the main one - in the center, we bullet from the sides, wait 30 seconds and we bullet with the main caliber in the center, what could be easier ??
    6. 0
      24 September 2021 13: 02
      Hello, you must be perspicacious.
    7. +1
      7 October 2021 01: 23
      The presence of additional photocontrast optoelectronic sensors in the radio-electronic architecture of the ARGSN anti-missile system Tamir also increases the likelihood of intercepting missiles, detecting the appearance of silhouettes of the widest spectrum of aerospace attack weapons.

      - It is not clear where the author of the article dug this nonsense from ?! GOS missile "Tamir" exclusively active millimeter-wave radar, there were no "electro-optical" sensors on it ...
  2. +11
    20 September 2021 15: 28
    Nobody has given anything to anyone yet. And it is not known whether they will give it or not. This is another svidomye Wishlist. But someone has already counted everything, how many will be shot down, how much is needed, so that they would not be shot down. Conclusion: the whole article is a complete mess. fool
    1. +1
      20 September 2021 16: 14
      yes, everyone yelled: the LCDs agreed on the supply, but in the end there was not even a discussion about the LCD, only about military assistance, Zeleny farted something there, and the rest were taken away with their own ideas
  3. +5
    20 September 2021 15: 28
    The involvement of even a single battery of 9K720 Iskander-M tactical missile systems of the Russian Missile Forces and artillery in the suppression of the Iron Dome air defense system will, with the maximum degree of probability, ensure the achievement of the required result
    ... What's the point in comparing an elephant and ... a pug? even a flock of moseks will not change the layouts.
    Different categories, forever.
  4. +4
    20 September 2021 15: 33
    The height of the iron dome takes only 10 km at a distance of 15 km, which does not allow you to get at least some kind of plane
    1. +6
      20 September 2021 18: 51
      The height of the iron dome takes only 10 km at a distance of 15 km
      An artillery attack with 152mm howitzers is quite enough to suppress the LCD, and there is no need to translate Iskander.
  5. +6
    20 September 2021 15: 33
    Therefore, arrays of Tamir anti-missile missiles equipped with active radar seeker are capable of easily "arresting" a couple of salvoes of the Uragan, Grad and Smerch / Tornado-S MLRSs, which have non-maneuvering 220-mm 9M27F missiles / K, 122 mm RS of the 9M22U family and 300 mm RS of the 9M55K / 9M542 line.
    Yes to health. And then what? I mean, where will the APU find a penny to buy new missiles?
    There is also the issue of the difference in ammunition cost, especially if continuous attacks begin to deplete Tamir interceptors. The exact price of one rocket is unknown. But the range is from $ 40 to $ 000, which, in principle, is quite inexpensive by the standards of such a technique. If we take the minimum cost, then 100 successful interceptions will cost $ 000 million.
    Obviously, Palestinian missiles are much cheaper. For example, old Qassam rockets cost between $ 500 and $ 600.
    https://rg.ru/2021/05/13/dal-treshchinu-pochemu-zheleznyj-kupol-stal-uiazvim-dlia-raketnyh-atak.html
    I don't know how much the Grad rockets cost, but not tens of thousands of dollars.
    1. +7
      20 September 2021 15: 46
      Quote: Dart2027
      Yes to health. And then what? I mean, where will the APU find a penny to buy new missiles?

      Stop! Stop! We have run out of missiles, but for now, let's sign the Minsk three
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  7. +2
    20 September 2021 15: 35
    The main thing here is to squeeze out as much money as possible from the forelocked jumpers, and their protection is the tenth thing.
  8. +1
    20 September 2021 15: 38
    The involvement of even a single battery of 9K720 Iskander-M tactical missile systems of the Russian Missile Forces and artillery in the suppression of the Iron Dome air defense system will, with the maximum degree of probability, ensure the achievement of the desired result.

    Well, why do they need a pair of these products request
    Take so much, or not take at all
  9. 0
    20 September 2021 15: 41
    Therefore, arrays of Tamir anti-missile missiles equipped with active radar seeker are capable of “arresting” a couple of volleys of Uragan, Grad and Smerch / Tornado-S MLRS without much difficulty.

    The most logical application of this system, however ...
  10. +8
    20 September 2021 16: 01
    Most of all "pleased" the comparison with the Russian Aerospace Forces, I seem to have overslept the official declaration of war.
  11. +1
    20 September 2021 16: 06
    it is strange that the Americans did not connect the LCD with their air defense, it turns out that? -Israel threw the Americans? or Israeli electronics is better than YUSA, which even the Americans could not.
    1. +1
      21 September 2021 15: 54
      Quote: Charik
      Israeli electronics is better than YUSA

      And many do not believe it. laughing
  12. -2
    20 September 2021 16: 07
    yes, they even have an iron one ... (forehead) let it be broken, smashed
  13. +2
    20 September 2021 16: 08
    and the author sculpts some kind of nonsense in my opinion, why fight against LCD when special forces can take it alive
  14. 0
    20 September 2021 16: 11
    and yet, will they have enough interceptor missiles to repel hundreds of MLRS missiles, there are 40 of them in one Grad car
  15. +8
    20 September 2021 16: 13
    To combat the Iron Dome, it would be nice to have a special simplified Grad projectile, without a warhead. The lightweight snag projectile flies further. A couple of dummy volleys - and the Iron Dome's anti-missile stock was zeroed out. Go find out in flight, with or without a warhead.
    And then you can take prisoner, there is nothing else to shoot with.
  16. HAM
    +4
    20 September 2021 16: 46
    Turks - "Bayraktars", Israelis - "iron kumpol", British - "missile boats", Americans - "Javelins" - the whole world is in debt ...... as on the porch ........
    1. +2
      20 September 2021 20: 43
      These beggars are standing on the porch, Bandera's servants of the West, this cannot be taken away from them.
  17. +9
    20 September 2021 16: 54
    When you re-read the first paragraph five times and you cannot understand even less than a damn thing, when you look for at least some familiar words between abbreviations and numbers - this is Damantsev. Who will translate, pliz, an article about anything? We will win?
    1. +3
      21 September 2021 15: 57
      Quote: Chifka
      We will win?

      Nat, the mustache is gone, chief. crying
      1. +4
        21 September 2021 17: 45
        We disperse one by one. If anything, we are geologists! (with)
  18. +2
    20 September 2021 16: 55
    Ah, endless Ukrainian reviews, and even anonymous ........
    How many times have already said that white and fluffy capitalist Russia is not going to attack anyone, and the LPNR has no aviation ...
    And here again the air defense and air defense system ...
  19. +2
    20 September 2021 17: 08
    Here Iskander is unnecessary, because the iron dome still needs to be bought, and to buy it, you have to go to the store.
    And through the online store, the United States will disagree.
  20. 0
    20 September 2021 17: 12
    Yes, "to stop the volley of the Grad battery" well, well
  21. +4
    20 September 2021 17: 29
    In particular, the EL / M-2084 multichannel radar systems will provide the ability to simultaneously target an almost unlimited number (about 200 objects per minute) of airborne objects "captured" for precise auto-tracking. Consequently, the Tamir anti-missile arrays equipped with active radar seeker are able to easily “stop” a couple of salvoes of the Uragan, Grad and Smerch / Tornado-S MLRSs, which have non-maneuvering 220-mm 9M27F missiles / K, 122 mm RS of the 9M22U family and 300 mm RS of the 9M55K / 9M542 line.

    This will be a performance. Five 122 mm MLRS fire a salvo of 200 "non-maneuvering" missiles for about 200 thousand dollars; 200 tamirs for 10 million dollars are coming towards them. All tamiri will hit 100% all targets and a part of the cloud of fragments and debris will fall on the protected object.
  22. -2
    20 September 2021 17: 54
    This dome is widely advertised. And when the Palestinians used the tactics of launching improvised missiles en masse, most of the dome was not intercepted. The Israelis argued that the missiles were not going on targets. Yeah. We believe.
    But what they will say if they find out that the Tornado rocket does not fly along an exactly linear trajectory, but also when approaching, the trajectory looks like small turns of a corkscrew to open a bottle of wine, which is why the Americans aborted the Israeli system. She can only fight with home-made rockets from water pipes and other civilian crafts, for which, by the way, she was created. In general, in their west: advertising is the engine of trade. If the Palestinians have real MLRS and they work on Israel, and he intercepts most of the missiles, then it will be possible to talk about the effectiveness of this system.
    And Ukraine today is a giant ward number 6. They write all sorts of crap out of impotence and anger because of their state's neglected state.
  23. +2
    20 September 2021 18: 36
    Well, what kind of Iskanders? LCD battery 3 containers of 20 missiles for a total of 60. Svidomo, maybe (they will give them, let them play, sell them), two batteries, a total of 120 missiles. Well, let's take it, for a moment,)) fire platoon MLRS Hurricane (here's the first one that came to mind)) 3 launchers of 16 missiles, in total, in the first 20 seconds of launch, 48 missiles will fly towards ZhK. The reload time of the MLRS is 15 minutes, after 15 minutes another 48 missiles, and within half an hour 144 missiles. And this is only one fire platoon, and that is only (the "Hurricanes" that accidentally came to mind). But who is fighting a war with one platoon? There should be at least TWO of them! )) And it turns out that in 15 minutes, two fire platoons of the MLRS will make the LCD use up all the ammunition. And even if we assume that the Banderites will overload (enough money) to reload missiles (well, another 120 pieces), they simply will not have time to recharge them, since the time it takes to reload the missiles to the LCD can be hours (I’m not saying, Baranets says )). With the Arabs and their flying gas cylinders, it works, but with the regular army (not even the army of Russia) it is unlikely, because if you really hit, then from all the trunks! )) So politics and politics again, all these Banderlog games! ))
  24. +5
    20 September 2021 20: 08
    Before dumping all this heap of letters and numbers on the reader, you need to answer a simple question - where will the Banderland get money for these fashionable tsyatski?))) The Banderoheroi already owe 1,5 billion Judaic silver coins, only for compulsory payments. Contractors stupidly do not go to the service, for whom it is time to go to the ATO, they try to cut them under any pretext. And then suddenly "boom, at the behest, at my will"))))
    1. +1
      22 September 2021 12: 17
      They will have money though they will not even see them they will issue a loan.
      1. -1
        22 September 2021 17: 45
        The fact that the Washington Reich Chancellery has allocated them is quite a bit compared to what they need. And the mattress covers have already determined what will be included in this amount.
  25. 0
    20 September 2021 20: 38
    The iron dome is intended for other purposes; it is useless against us. Banderlog will receive in full.
  26. +4
    20 September 2021 20: 56
    Another "Damanshchinova" is senseless and merciless in its stupidity ...
  27. +1
    20 September 2021 20: 56
    Quote: svoroponov
    This dome is widely advertised. And when the Palestinians used the tactics of launching homemade missiles en masse, most of the dome was not intercepted. The Israelis argued that the missiles were not going on targets. Yeah. We believe
    Will you indulge in figures? And then exactly the opposite)))
    1. 0
      21 September 2021 13: 01
      Go to the ,, Global Adventure ,, There you are on the forum in one of the sections with numbers and will delight you.
      1. 0
        21 September 2021 20: 15
        [Quote] Go to the ,, Global Adventure ,, [Quote] And what else to read on the fence? laughing
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 10: 56
          And you go and read. And then you will call this site a “fence”. He, according to the information provided, is a cut above this site.
  28. +3
    20 September 2021 21: 56
    A couple of three volleys are stopped, and then what?
    And if you count the cost of a salvo of obsolete MLRS and the cost of antimissiles?
    And if you count the number of outdated MLRS and these same interceptor missiles in stock?
    However, it will be much more profitable to sell everything through the militias where it should be for study laughing
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 13: 13
      Yes, there you can do one volley a day in the direction of the dome (the war has been going on for years, you can shoot without international scandals), let’s shoot down))
  29. +2
    21 September 2021 07: 37
    probable delivery of two batteries of the Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile / anti-missile complex to the Air Force "Square"

    To dream is not harmful.
  30. sen
    +1
    21 September 2021 09: 38
    The capabilities of the Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile systems in the architecture of the anti-missile umbrella of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Ukraine's ability to shoot down civilian aircraft is expanding.
  31. 0
    21 September 2021 09: 40
    Quote: smaug78
    Quote: svoroponov
    This dome is widely advertised. And when the Palestinians used the tactics of launching homemade missiles en masse, most of the dome was not intercepted. The Israelis argued that the missiles were not going on targets. Yeah. We believe
    Will you indulge in figures? And then exactly the opposite)))

    See statistics on how many missiles were launched from Gaza and how many Israeli casualties before and after the dome.
    It can also be found on Wikipedia. There is practically no difference from the use of LCD for protected objects. There is only a difference in the nailed for the canopy manufacturers.
    1. 0
      21 September 2021 13: 13
      Wikipedia believe yourself not respect. What a comrade from this country is recognized in the facts. They have adopted their own national
      military blunders are nowhere to be recognized, and even more so since a lot of money has been spent on this system with a dubious outcome. Once again, why are the Americans buying this system now abandoning it? We just tested it in actual work (still only at the test site) and saw what it really costs.
  32. 0
    21 September 2021 10: 13
    I really want Russia to truly defend the LPNR. Children should walk under a clear sky. And parents shouldn't bury their children.
  33. 0
    21 September 2021 10: 36
    The Palestinians have tested an excellent practice that works 100%. First, a mass of false targets, empty shells, are fired, for which the enemy is forced to spend quite real anti-missiles, the supply of which is limited. When the time comes to reload the missiles, a strike is struck with combat missiles.
    1. +3
      21 September 2021 10: 39
      Quote: The son of a pilot
      The Palestinians have tested an excellent practice that works 100%. First, a mass of false targets, empty shells, are fired, for which the enemy is forced to spend quite real anti-missiles, the supply of which is limited. When the time comes to reload the missiles, a strike is struck with combat missiles.

      you would not disgrace the pilot with this nonsense in the morning.
  34. 0
    22 September 2021 13: 08
    It is in Donbass that the iron dome is a shot in the heel of a Ukrainian. Because there you can shoot every day as much as you want and the Ukrainians will be tortured to buy consumables. Another thing is between countries that are not at war. You can't shoot there until you decide to fight.
  35. 0
    22 September 2021 16: 54
    Anyone discussing the war in Donbass should understand that Russia is in zugzwang, regardless of the outcome of the military confrontation.
  36. 0
    22 September 2021 17: 21
    "Stop" a couple of MLRS volleys

    Three volleys were stopped, great, the anti-missiles ran out laughing Or at least reloading is required, and the next three MLRS salvoes are already flying to the place of deployment. Shaw to do?
  37. 0
    24 September 2021 23: 18
    “The Ukrainians simply don’t have enough money to maintain these complexes. Unless Kolomoisky will untie his personal wallet ...