The number of aircraft that flew from Afghanistan to neighboring countries has been counted

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The Taliban movement (banned in Russia as a terrorist movement), which came to power in Afghanistan, does not abandon attempts to return to its territory Aviationbelonging to the Afghan army and flew to neighboring countries.

The hasty flight of the United States and its allies from Afghanistan led to the rise to power of the Taliban *. The Afghan army, trained by the Americans for 20 years, partly sided with the Taliban, partly fled, and part of the servicemen managed to escape to the territory of the Central Asian countries along with the equipment. These were mainly pilots and technicians of the Afghan Air Force, who managed to save not only their equipment, but also take out their families.



Earlier it was reported that about 46 planes and helicopters from the Afghan Air Force are located on the territory of Uzbekistan, namely, this country has received the bulk of the war refugees. Now someone has bothered to calculate almost exactly the number of aircraft the Taliban are claiming. It is noted that these are not final figures, the difference may be several helicopter planes.

As it turned out, seven UH-60A helicopters, nineteen Mi-17 helicopters, six A-29B turboprop attack aircraft, five Cessna 209B light transport aircraft and at least 11 Pilatus-12NGs flew to Uzbekistan. 12 Cessna 208Bs have landed in Tajikistan. In addition, one A-29V attack aircraft crashed or was shot down by Uzbekistan's air defense, and one UH-60A failed to reach the airfield, having landed near the border due to lack of fuel.

The Taliban are demanding the return of equipment, as well as pilots, promising amnesty to all those who have returned, but recently it became known that all Afghans, along with their families from Uzbekistan, will be transported to Qatar.
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  1. +8
    19 September 2021 11: 43
    Before plunging into the bells, it is always useful to look into the calendar.
    What is "flying technology"? There are commonly used concepts enshrined in state documents and standards: "aircraft", "aircraft".
    1. 0
      19 September 2021 11: 53
      the author is smart! The pit knows better!
    2. +5
      19 September 2021 11: 54
      Quote: iouris
      What is "flying technology"?

      It's good that it's not "lethal"
      1. +3
        19 September 2021 12: 29
        Quote: Seryoga64
        It's good that it's not "lethal"

        To be honest, this is the first time I read the title ... laughing
        1. +1
          19 September 2021 13: 44
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          To be honest, this is the first time I read the title ...

          And it doesn’t happen laughing
          1. +9
            19 September 2021 18: 59
            Today I read that the T-VI Tiger is, it turns out, an "armored tank" ...
            1. -1
              19 September 2021 19: 03
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Today I read that the T-VI Tiger is, it turns out, an "armored tank" ...

              Oh how lol
              1. +3
                20 September 2021 10: 00
                This is to distinguish it from an unarmored tank.
      2. +1
        20 September 2021 10: 00
        One attack aircraft is definitely lethal.
    3. +1
      19 September 2021 12: 42
      It was for this that I went into the topic, neighing at the author's literacy))
      P.S. There is also flying equipment))
      1. +1
        19 September 2021 18: 54
        I know flying technology only as a kitchen use and a means of transporting creatures from alcoholic delirium ...
  2. +3
    19 September 2021 11: 45
    Recognized by the Taliban, give it back. If not, keep it for yourself, or at your discretion.
    1. 0
      19 September 2021 11: 55
      Quote: knn54
      Recognized by the Taliban, give it back. If not, keep it for yourself, or at your discretion.

      And it's fair
      1. 0
        19 September 2021 12: 31
        The Uzbek language is not the state language in Afghanistan now. The Uzbeks (the fourth in number) in Afghanistan are crushed, their leader - the stupid Dostum shamefully fled. The border with Uzbekistan is under the full control of the Pashtuns. It's time to forget about the Taliban, this kind of translates as schoolchildren and it was an insurrectionary movement. Now they are Afghans - the Pashtuns of the Emirate. Schoolchildren became Ustad. Teachers - Professors (not to be confused with one commentator wassat). It is better for Uzbekistan not to quarrel with Afghans, for they will find a way to "thank" what they deserve
        Quote: Seryoga64
        And it's fair
        and in fairness.
        1. +4
          19 September 2021 13: 17
          This morning in the 5th district of Jalalabad, a Taliban car was blown up, as a result of which two of them were killed and several others were injured, as well as power lines were damaged, which turned off the light in the area.

          Yesterday in the city there was a series of 4 explosions aimed at the Taliban, as a result of which 7 people were killed and another 30 were injured.
          Let's see how it goes next ... wink
          1. +1
            19 September 2021 13: 27
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Let's see how it goes next ...

            What to see? Previously, you had to look when the 300 thousandth army was. armed to the teeth. Now the Taliban are armed to the teeth. And what to be shy about, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the tribes in fighting spirit. Two heads. Well, there will be sabotage, there will be a search and punishment for those responsible. The tribe sent a suicide bomber, they will cut out the tribe, these are not internationalists for you. Yes. Of course, thousands of Daeshaks from the captivity of the Kurds of Syria and Iraq were taken to Afghanistan. Nothing, they will kill and life will improve.
            1. +1
              19 September 2021 13: 38
              Quote: hrych
              The tribe sent a suicide bomber, they will cut out the tribe, these are not internationalists for you.

              Thus, postponing the official recognition ... As the saying goes: "Shurik is not our method."
              1. +3
                19 September 2021 13: 58
                China and Russia, indirectly have already admitted and about the horror, in Europe voices of recognition are heard. Not to mention powerful neighbors like Iran and Pakistan. You told about 4 explosions to a couple of dead Taliban, but how many the Taliban killed in Panjshir and Khorasan are not reported. This is no longer interesting to anyone in the world. And of course they finished off a lot.
                1. +1
                  19 September 2021 14: 09
                  Quote: hrych
                  but how many the Taliban killed in Panjshir and Khorasan is not reported.

                  Maybe there are many, but maybe not ... Civilians are not yet very much a nightmare, otherwise the Panjshir would be blazing in full ...
                  Quote: hrych
                  This is no longer interesting to anyone in the world.

                  Is not a fact. This is very interesting for the same Masudika owners. wink
                  1. 0
                    20 September 2021 10: 47
                    Maybe there are many, but maybe not ... Civilians are not yet very much a nightmare, otherwise the Panjshir would be blazing in full ...
                    Well, the Taliban have matured, matured. Teenage hormones don't play well in the blood anymore. Now they are pushing themselves into the circle of serious, respectable elites. Therefore, they began to indulge in terror less. And even more serious people suggested how to behave in order to go from abreks to riches.
            2. +7
              19 September 2021 13: 49
              The Taliban are exactly the same scumbags, like ISIS, like the Muslim Brotherhood, like Al-Qaeda, like the Caucasus Emirate, like the Islamic Jihad, like Hamas.
              And thugs are always wet.
              Sooner-later ... History cannot be stopped.
              And in the stone age of the Sharia people cannot be driven.
              1. +1
                19 September 2021 13: 51
                Quote: voyaka uh
                aliban - exactly the same scumbags

                And how are the Tsakhalovites? Will they be killed too sooner or later? Right. History cannot be stopped.
                1. +5
                  19 September 2021 13: 56
                  The IDF, like the Russian army, is invincible.
                  Because they are well educated and civilized. Yes
                  1. 0
                    19 September 2021 14: 00
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The IDF, like the Russian army, is invincible.

                    And to whom did Hezballah hang out?
                    1. +1
                      19 September 2021 14: 41
                      It's good that we remembered one more thugs! good (You know them all).
                      I hung it on myself.
                      Since 2006 (for 15 years now) Israel's northern border has been calm.
                      1. +6
                        19 September 2021 14: 53
                        That's right, because you don't climb anymore, because they beat off the hunt .. On April 30, 2007, the interim results of the work of the Eliyahu Vinograd commission were published in Israel, where: "Ehud Olmert bears personal responsibility for the mistakes of the Lebanese war", since his decision to strike at Lebanon The response to the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah was not based on a thorough analysis of the internal political situation in Lebanon, which ultimately led to a large number of Israeli civilian casualties and the need for a "large-scale ground operation, the cost of which was too high." In short, they themselves admitted that they paid a high price and fled from Lebanon. The other day, the Wrong Nyakha received Hamas rockets on the sopatke, used up all the missiles, and the invincible's guts turned out to be a small intestine to climb onto a tiny enclave.
                      2. 0
                        20 September 2021 10: 51
                        and to climb on land to a tiny enclave turned out to be the guts of the invincible.
                        In this case, they are hostages of international rejection of genocides, organized in a particularly cynical manner. Therefore, they nightmare relatively quietly for decades. And not so for one combined arms operation.
                        If not for this, in six months at most they would have cut out the enclave cleanly, without bothering with conscience. The savage grin of capitalism, however.
                      3. 0
                        20 September 2021 11: 16
                        Not really, Israel is doing bad things to the weak, but trying to build relationships with the strong. Those. with Saud, Jordan, Egypt. Now the situation has changed, these countries have decent armies, and not like the Egyptians, Syrians, etc., put the peasants on tanks, but the armies are now professional. Iran has become a powerful power, already a nuclear missile, its Quds forces are working very well, using hybrid methods. Turkey is now not the West's six, but Pakistan is already a recognized nuclear missile power. If the Islamic world rises, now it will clearly crush the impudent person. The Americans will not interfere, and the EU will gladly smack (mentally) Israel itself. Also, after the disgrace in Lebanon, the Tsakhal's bowels are shaking on the possibility of a ground operation. Where expensive tanks with well-trained crews are nothing, in contrast to a fighter with a Cornet. Spetsnaz also does not, the enemy fighters are also trained in their own conditions and on their own territory. The key phrase is unacceptable losses. Even if a victory is achieved, the Tsakhal will be bled out of blood. There has been a generational change in the army, and the current non-fired, have no experience of real battles, and the commanders are beaten in Lebanon. Now the Israelis are not like in 1949, with burning eyes and feeling the messianism in themselves, fueled by a century of study of the Torah, but the products of a pampered consumer society. It can be compared with a wiry, hungry, one-eyed cat, opposite a fat, spoiled fellow who never really fought and who saw a mouse on TV. wassat
              2. +3
                19 September 2021 15: 04
                And in the stone age of the Sharia people cannot be driven.

                Firstly, not in the Stone Age. It’s not even an average ideology, but at the level of the New Time.

                And secondly, have you ever wondered why they so persistently climb into this Sharia? Is it because the alternative offered by the modern world in the form of 21st century feudalism does not look any better?
                1. 0
                  20 September 2021 10: 53
                  Firstly, not in the Stone Age. Quite not even an average ideology, but at the level of the New Time
                  You are wrong. The idolized ideology of the era of transition from tribal to early medieval society. Then it was born and reflects exactly those realities.
                  1. 0
                    20 September 2021 15: 17
                    The idolized ideology of the era of transition from tribal to early medieval society

                    The ideology of the transition to an early medieval society - who is strong is right. That's exactly what they look like
                    And in the Shariah, there is still some kind of habits for generally accepted rules, for the pursuit of justice.
                    1. 0
                      21 September 2021 09: 56
                      And in the Shariah, there is still some kind of habits for generally accepted rules, for the pursuit of justice.
                      Even in early Paleolithic family groups, there were already tendencies to strive for justice. But the understanding of justice among different groups of the genus Homo (not even sapiens yet) was different for everyone.
                      1. 0
                        21 September 2021 10: 18
                        Towards social justice? In the Paleolithic? A very dubious statement.
                      2. 0
                        21 September 2021 18: 11
                        Towards social justice? In the Paleolithic?
                        Of course. Only you are trying to measure such justice from the perspective of the 21st century. And some homo erectus from his position: of course, d'Artagnan himself and his family group too. And there are bad personalities around whom you can knock their heads off with a stone - rightly so. But if they are to you - no.
                2. 0
                  20 September 2021 12: 14
                  First, read the Qur'an. Typical ideology of tribal nomads. Secondly, they something very persistently climb into the Sharia, and then even more persistently skedaddle from the Sharia countries to the Christian ones. Don't you think that something is wrong here? If the Sharia is so beautiful, why go to the "infidels" from it?
                  1. 0
                    20 September 2021 15: 15
                    First, read the Qur'an. Typical ideology of tribal nomads

                    Not like the Bible ... but wait ...
                    Don't you think that something is wrong here? If the Sharia is so beautiful, why go to the "infidels" from it?

                    Yes, the point is not that he is beautiful, the point is that they have no alternative. They have the Middle Ages under the Americans and without Sharia. Sharia for them is an attempt to fix it .. And they skedaddle not to Christian countries, but to developed ones.
                    1. 0
                      20 September 2021 15: 16
                      But why bother if the Koran is so good and life according to Sharia law is ideal? Illogical somehow laughing
                      And by the way, why are the Sharia countries undeveloped? Religion does not allow? laughing
                      1. 0
                        20 September 2021 15: 22
                        But why bother if the Koran is so good and life according to Sharia law is ideal?

                        And where did I say this, something about the Koran, or about the fact that life is ideal? Where have you ever seen an ideal life then?

                        But look at the European era, the revival, the reformation and all the processes that took place at that time in Europe .. All New Time is a series of bloody civil wars in general.

                        And by the way
                        Sharia for them is an attempt to fix it.

                        Nobody promised that the attempt would be successful ... Military Communism, in fact, was not sugar either, and for no one at all. At the same time, now, after 100 years, we are reaping its fruits as well, we live in a developed country and giggle poking our fingers at the "medieval savages"
                      2. 0
                        20 September 2021 15: 31
                        And by the way, why are the Sharia countries undeveloped? Religion does not allow? laughing

                        In one place it allows (Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates for example) and in another does not allow? Isn't it strange somehow?
          2. +1
            19 September 2021 23: 55
            The more the "faithful" will kill each other, the better, the less energy they will have to do nasty things to the USA, Russia, Europe and China.
            1. +3
              20 September 2021 00: 46
              Quote: Baron Pardus
              The more the "faithful" will kill each other, the better, the less energy they will have to do nasty things to the USA, Russia, Europe and China.

              Well, to be honest, I don’t mind the United States .. Let them do as much as they want. wink
              Europe, I'm a little sorry (there are relatives))), but they themselves are to blame ...
              China and Russia (Wed Asia), the most interested ... The Taliban are Pashtuns, at least the majority. The militants are dangerous for us - Uzbeks, Uighurs, Tajiks. If the Taliban cut out the irreconcilable, and the rest are kept in check, then the flag is in their hands ... And let them wet the mattresses wherever they want, the main thing is not on our territory. wink
              1. -8
                20 September 2021 00: 48
                Thank you, dear man :-) I'm in the USA. He fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thank you for your wishes. And you mutually :-)
                1. +2
                  20 September 2021 00: 51
                  Quote: Baron Pardus
                  Thank you, dear man :-) I'm in the USA. He fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thank you for your wishes. And you mutually :-)

                  hi You're welcome...
                  We did not start this game with the Islamists. wink
                  1. 0
                    20 September 2021 00: 58
                    Well, let's put it this way. The de-Islamization of the Caucasus and other eastern republics of the USSR was not carried out. By the way, it is not we who pay tribute to Chechnya, as to the Horde, under the guise of economic assistance.
                    Well, yes. The USA nurtured this monster. First, for the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, and then the gin came out of the bottle, and this is not a good Hottabych. The problem is that our EVERY administration changes the vector of movement. The neoconservatives (they burn in hell) want to rule this genie. Liberals (they burn in even more hellish hell) want to be friends with this monster. Islam is generally a terrible religion. One concept of Takkiya is worth it, and the rest of the "ideas" are there too ...

                    The biggest problem for the United States is that we are trying to fight in white gloves. It doesn't work that way. If you start a war, you need to behave in such a way that after 5 generations, having heard the name of your country, the descendants of those with whom you fought would involuntarily go for both small and big business. You cannot "make friends" with people who consider you "an unfaithful dog, worthy only of death or the fate of a slave for true devout Muslims." By the way, neither Chechnya nor the modern Russophobic sentiments in the Asian republics have taught you anything either.
                    1. +4
                      20 September 2021 06: 13
                      Well, in Vietnam you fought in non-white gloves. And to this day your veterans go by themselves remembering. As your late senator. Do not be remembered by night. And Chechnya is generally a bad example. It was bought and now it is working off the amounts invested in it. The Chechens hold the entire Caucasus for the Beyts. So there is no question of any tribute. Until the Americans poked their snouts into Central Asia, there was no talk of Russophobia. We got along quite peacefully with Muslims. And what is more terrible than Islam than Christianity. They have one root.
                      1. -5
                        20 September 2021 07: 46
                        I don’t understand where you are taking and carrying such wild game. The US Armed Forces fought in Vietnam with a lot of restrictions. Then we cannot bomb, we do not go beyond this parallel, we do not drown cargo ships going to the ports of Vietnam to hell, as they did in the Pacific Ocean. Raids of 500 bombers, on cities and ports, as on Germany and Japan with phosphorus bombs, no one arranged. To arrange a semblance of Dresden or Tokyo from Saigon is a piece of cake. But the civilians decided not to. It is their job to prevent the army from winning wars, or even to get involved in wars without clear goals and a schedule. Where does this nonsense come from?

                        About our Veterans. Another nonsense. Everyone who fought has nightmares. And including me, Yes, and your Afghan and Chechen Veterans ask - they, too, have nightmares. But no one is relieved by fear. Neither with us nor with you. There is little pleasure in being there again in a dream. Though my nightmares are mostly about our wounded and maimed. I still think - if I did something differently, maybe someone of ours would be better, maybe someone would have saved their eyes, or there would be an arm / leg, or even life. These are my nightmares. 1941 didn’t teach you anything, with your shapkozakidatelstvom, as before "All - alternatively sexy, you alone are cool D'artanyans." All around you suckers and cowards, you alone are cool.

                        As for "Central Asia". Of course, it is easiest to blame the "Yankos" and "horned-tailed, omnipotent Jewish Masons." Remind, for a Muslim, any infidel is a subhuman, even "people of the book". The concept of Takkiya (pretending to be harmless in the name of promoting Islam) has not been canceled. How "Russophobia" was not under the USSR, tell your grandmother, she did not serve in the SA, in parts where there were many Caucasians and Central Asians. By the way, when there were riots in Azerbaijan, when Azerbaijanis were beating and killing Armenians and Russians, then there was the USSR and there could be no talk of any "penetration of the United States there". What is the USA in Almaty in 1986. Learn history, sir, or hang on to someone who doesn't know it.
                      2. +1
                        20 September 2021 11: 02
                        Raids of 500 bombers, on cities and ports, as on Germany and Japan with phosphorus bombs, no one arranged.
                        However, the total tonnage of bombs dropped by the United States on North Vietnam exceeds that dropped on Nazi Germany throughout WWII and by all allied countries. This is not counting defoliants, napalm, and so, "on the little things."
                      3. 0
                        20 September 2021 12: 23
                        "You can't bomb, we don't go beyond this parallel" - Yes. Truth. Such orders have been given to you. Because "there" and "beyond that parallel" is a real hell for you and not a single piece of iron with idiots will return from there. And you, the geeks of the human race, flooded Vietnam with chemistry, napalm, your generals issued orders "to turn Vietnam into a lunar landscape." And it's a pity that you managed to get away from there. Not all of you were killed there.
                      4. -2
                        20 September 2021 22: 17
                        Do you, sir, really believe that? I also like to experiment with fly agaric tinctures, but be afraid of Odin. Which "no one would come back". How would you bring them down? Fighters? So you had several times less of them, and your engines then were worse than amerskih. SAMs? Duc with them quickly learned to fight. And you had a few of them there. How would you bring them down? Dvina? Well, a bunch of these Dvin were destroyed during Operation Iron Hand, destroyed successfully, and those civilian fools near Hanoi were forbidden to attack "for political reasons." Because the then Dvina was not very effective against low-flying targets, and VietKong did not have too much MZA.

                        They dropped a lot of bombs. Only now, neither populated centers (big cities) nor ports were bombed. And if they bombed, then with an eye on the political response "What if someone says something?" The naval blockade was not set either. But they could calmly squeeze Vietnam in the grip of an unlimited naval war, according to the precepts of Doenitz and Nimitz, and the Vietnamese would not have fought a lot. Honestly warn ALL countries "Any ship spotted in the territorial waters of Vietnam will be sunk by us on the basis of Chester Nimitz's" sink 'em all "principle, and the command will be taken prisoner and put on trial for smuggling.

                        And to bomb every city with Willie Peter, where the population is more than 1000 people, we, too, were not given the civil slickers. To destroy the ports, so that it was impossible to understand where the cargo ship ends and the pier begins, the civilians also did not give. When 50-60 bombers with an escort of 100-150 fighters fly to each port a couple of times a week - that's it. Well, you would not stop such an armada. And the khan to all ports and all factories is larger than an underground workshop. By the way, defoliants were sprayed over the jungle, or they could spray over rice poi. And more than once. And not two or three. But civilian "leaders" were afraid to fight for real. I mean, they got into an unpopular war, and they want to fight so as not to lose voters. It doesn't work that way. If you go to fight (and this should be done in an EXTREMELY case, and not invent the Thin Incident, not blow up the Cruiser Maine, not invent "danger for American students in Grenada"), then you need to fight so that your opponents of 7 generations are afraid of your flag not so look. So that every morning they pray, "May our God deliver us from their wrath."

                        It's the same in Iraq. A guantanamo. Is this a war? No, this is, again, neatness. Why spend the money of American taxpayers of hard workers in order to feed and heal terrorists? A prisoner of war in uniform is one thing. Yes, such a soldier / officer has every right to be kept in a POW camp, food, shelter, clothing and medical care. And after the end of hostilities must be RELEASED on receipt of the end of the confrontation. But terrorist bandits, especially religious fanatics, deserve only one thing, and not transportation at the expense of taxpayers to jail, food, medical service, clothing, "respect for their religious values ​​and needs," everyone there is halal. If you want to eat, you will eat pork with crocodiles. They are terrorists and enemies. Point. And they deserve one thing - at the expense.
                      5. 0
                        20 September 2021 12: 49
                        Niche myself. Fought with restrictions The Americans have forgotten Vietnam. Want to look white and fluffy. But Vietnam remembers everything. And Agent Orange and carpet bombing And the executioner Lieutenant Colley who shot and burned a Vietnamese village. He was then tried. He was just a goof and a lazy lazy person who was too lazy to clean up the scene of his crime. What do you think that he was the only one? A running girl, burnt in a napalm flame, whose photo went around the whole world. And steamers in the ports of Vietnam you drowned. So there is no need for history, sir. Though I’m a penny, I remember the events of fifty years ago. And forget-me-not from I still remember my grandmother. I served in the SA in Germany. The regiment in Ravensbrück where I served was called Chinese. More than half. Caucasians and Asians. But what you call Russophobia I did not feel. There was clannishness but After the army, I went to see my colleagues in Urgench. They also came to me. By the way, in the US army they kneel in front of blacks or just do it in civilian life
                      6. +1
                        20 September 2021 21: 52
                        Mnd. With political correctness here, in the states in general, they have moved with their minds. They do not kneel in the army BEFORE the blacks and the Mexotes, but I would not be surprised if they start in 10 years. "Sorry us, black", "forgive us, Mexota", "We are white oppressors - you should blame for you and we have to pay Kayatska." Reminds nothing, no?
                        Here, history is mocked no worse than you, in a "young democracy with a 30-year history." And with monuments, too, are at war no worse than yours.
                        I did not serve in the SA, but all my relatives served, both Russians and Jews, and even Kazakhs (yes, there is a distant line). Let's just say that after serving in the SA, almost all internationalism was kicked out at once. Moreover, the most interesting thing is against Caucasians, especially Azerbaijanis, Chechens and others like them. According to my father (a Jew) - Uzbeks, and Kazakhs - the most "imperturbable, forever" if they are not specifically enraged, for each other, by the way, unlike some - are the wall. But from the army he brought out a special hatred of Azerbaijanis and Chechens. My distant relative, a Kazakh, told me similar things. Yes, and my uncle, who is Russian, too, after the army of Azerbaijanis and other Caucasians (except Armenians and Georgians) generally hated. However, the best remedy for internationalism is to live a little among people of a completely different culture - nationality. For example, when you are white, live for about 3 years in a black district, especially to go to school in such a district. All internationalism disappears in 2-3 weeks.
                      7. 0
                        20 September 2021 21: 30
                        Well, here you bent
                    2. +3
                      20 September 2021 10: 59
                      The biggest problem for the United States is that we are trying to fight in white gloves.
                      Three times HA! Is it the USA that is fighting in white gloves ?! Carpet bombing and other gentle methods ... Without gloves - what is then: to clean the territory with chemical and nuclear weapons using the square-nest method?
                      1. 0
                        20 September 2021 21: 34
                        Orange in Vietnam still buzzes around
                      2. +1
                        20 September 2021 22: 26
                        Without gloves - this is when all the infrastructure of the enemy is completely destroyed (which was not done in Vietnam, the ports were not bombed), and ABSOLUTELY everything. Without gloves, this is when strikes are delivered where it is MORE to the enemy, without looking back "and what the world community will think." Without gloves, this is when everything is destroyed, including the enemy's agriculture. A total blockade so that not a single motorcycle with a load of grain can slip through. Without white gloves, it's like the United States fought against Japan even BEFORE Hiroshima and Nagasaki .. With massive bombing of ANY infrastructure, production and population centers, with a total blockade, both sea and air. When fire tornadoes in the style of Tokyo and Dresden are artificially created in cities. When artillery and aircraft treat the enemy in such a way that they are buried in the trenches. Together with weapons and BC, many have not yet been dug up. And this is how ANY country should fight. Not only the USA. You must fight in such a way that 7 generations after the war, your enemies pronounce your name only in a whisper and in ecstatic horror. Approximately as now the liberals pronounce the name of Stalin. Approximately as they prayed for many years "may Jesus save us from the fury of the Nurmans", approximately as they remembered Chingiz, Batu, and Subudai - Batura for many years. Like many people still remember Nobunaga, about how many still remember Tsao Tsao (Meng De). Without gloves, this is when defoliants are sprayed not over the jungle, where the guerrillas are hiding, but over the rice fields, where they get food.
                      3. 0
                        21 September 2021 10: 02
                        Without gloves, this is when strikes are delivered where it is MORE to the enemy, without looking back "and what the world community will think."
                        You might think the United States in Vietnam was looking back at someone there. Beside the USSR. They tried to totally bomb North Vietnam. And even successfully at first. So far, the USSR has not established air defense there and has not trained local calculations. And as the losses became excessive, so at once America began to look for "white gloves". Like: "And what are we for ?!"
                        Without gloves, this is when defoliants are sprayed not over the jungle, where the guerrillas are hiding, but over the rice fields, where they get food.
                        So this was its own controlled territory. It is the same as if in WWII Germany would bomb the industry and poison its own farmland, in the event of the appearance of enemy sabotage groups. And not in the front-line zone, but in the deep rear.
                      4. -1
                        21 September 2021 10: 49
                        Rave. What "Trained Calculations"? Which of the peasant (there was no proletariat in Vietnam due to the lack of technological factories and plants) or handicraft operator of the radar / air defense system. He does not distinguish a proton from a photon. What are the losses? What are you talking about? Do you really think that the North Vietnamese Air Force, even with the Chinese (Mnda, this is of course a thunderstorm of the air), and Soviet pilots were a serious threat to the US Air Force? Then I have a bridge in Brooklyn just for you to sell. Inexpensive. The Vietnamese / Sino / Soviet Air Force suffered many times more losses than the American ones. The only difference is that US TV then showed killed / captured pilots and it made a heavy impression on civil slugs then, but now they simply DO NOT SHOW it, and the population DOES NOT care where we are fighting and with whom and whether we are fighting at all. The war in Vietnam was not lost by the American Army / Air Force / Navy, but by cowards, civilian politicians who were afraid of "what the world community will think" and what our voters will think. Right now, so far, our troops and PMCs are losing a lot of crippled ones (our military field medicine has led to the fact that instead of 1 killed for 3 wounded, we have 1 killed for 10 wounded, that is, they are pulling out guys who, in theory, should not survive , many of them remain crippled for life. But NOBODY shows this on TV. And NOBODY except relatives and colleagues SEE these wounded. Of course, this calms the American average elector (a rather stupid and self-righteous tradesman), but splits society as neither the military neither civilians understand each other and live in two DIFFERENT Americas. So, politicians were simply afraid of the "opinion of the progressive public" and did not give an order for the total destruction of all cities / ports of infrastructure and a total naval blockade. , no more. And about defoliants, I'm sorry, but rice was grown both in the north and south of Vietnam, to destroy rice fields in the north and south. I wouldn't. But Viet Cong could not have fought on an empty stomach. From the word at all, especially during a naval blockade.

                        The Air Force lost 2251 aircraft (Airplanes and helicopters), 514 of them were safely ditched on their own. Without the help of the Viet Cong. Naval aviation lost 532 units of equipment in battles, and destroyed 329 more on its own. That is, 30% of the losses were inflicted on themselves. Although I am ready to admit that many of these lost "from accidents" were so FUBARnut in battle that it was impossible to restore them corny. Or they got out of the battle (and if they weren't shot down), but they were undershot (and if so, they were lost in an accident. Accounting is a great thing).

                        And from the rest, these are losses from air defense and losses from the "Vietnamese" Air Force. And this is for 10 years of war. Moreover, for every American aircraft shot down by the Vietnamese Air Force, they lost 1.6 of their own (of course, what the hell are pilots from yesterday's peasants and artisans)? So the "losses" were not that great, especially considering how long the war lasted. The war was lost by civilian slugs politicians:
                        a) They got into the war without being able to explain to the electors what for it is.
                        b) They created an absolutely false fake (the Tonkin Bay Incident), which they themselves later admitted to be a lie
                        c) They did not control their own press
                        d) They did not have clear ideas about the OBJECTIVES of the war.
                        e) They did not have a clear idea of ​​HOW to wage a war, but
                        f) At the same time, they RESTRICTED what our Army / Air Force / Navy can do and what they cannot.
                        g) Failing to "sell" the war to the voters, they called on young people to serve in combat units, while the youth of the CONCEPT did not have what for they maim there (physically and mentally), and kill. Naturally, few people wanted to go there. They were ideological, but they were, to put it mildly, poorly educated or completely brainwashed people. "The Commies are coming ..." and they BELIEVED it. Fortunately, there were few of them. Even after 9/11, very many Americans were quite skeptical about an attack on innocent Iraq, and if we still had a draft, then our invasion of BV would have ended very quickly - no one wants to risk their boss for no reason, only Because the Negro in the UN shaking a test tube with soda as a baboon shakes the found banana

                        If you want to win the war, unleash all the dogs. Do not limit the military in anything.

                        For reference. The average soldier was less likely to be killed or wounded in Iraq / Afghanistan than a resident of areas inhabited by "oppressed national minorities with a distinct culture." Chicago, for example, was nicknamed Chiraque - Chicago + Iraq. Milwaukee, which is not far from me, is not much better, and places like Detroit, Baltimore, New York and LA are just a war zone in some areas. Which is VERY good for internationalism. But that is another topic.
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                      20 September 2021 12: 18
                      Are you "in white gloves"? Yes, according to the amount of war crimes, you must be drowned together with the mainland. Bloodthirsty barbarians. Because of you, freaks, the entire 20th century is incessant war, all 21 years of the 21st century are incessant war. You climb everywhere like an infection, worse than lice.
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                      20 September 2021 12: 25
                      Quote: Baron Pardus
                      The biggest problem for the United States is that we are trying to fight in white gloves.

                      The States have never fought in gloves.
                      Neither when atomic bombs were thrown on Japan, nor when the jungle in Vietnam was burned out, nor when Serbia was destroyed (China has not yet forgiven the States for the embassy) ...
                      That in Iraq, that in Afghanistan - hundreds of thousands were killed.
                      Mistakes with drone-destroyed hospitals and weddings?
                      Guantanamo is also "in gloves" or what?
                      Not a single US serviceman has suffered any punishment. It's true.
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                20 September 2021 10: 54
                Well, to be honest, I don’t mind the United States .. Let them do as much as they want.
                Now, if the United States were in the neighborhood: in the BV or in North Africa, then yes. And so, the oceans will not allow.
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            20 September 2021 21: 27
            Krysyatnichestvo is straightforward.
            After a fight, they do not wave their fists.
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          19 September 2021 13: 26
          The Uzbek language is not the state language in Afghanistan now.

          And what, the Uzbek in Afghanistan was once a state? And the fact that the prezik Ashraf Ghani, PUSHTUN, who fled with the money, casts a shadow on the Taliban?
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            19 September 2021 13: 48
            The main punishers and collaborators are members of the former Northern Alliance. NATO relied on them. This rabble and scattered, throwing their weapons. Ghani is a US citizen, recruited by the CIA about 50 years ago, spent most of his life in the United States, was a tycoon of the World Bank and almost became UN Secretary General. A figure ideally suited for a puppet, and a Pashtun origin, to distract the eyes of the majority, was apparently ideal in the minds of American analysts. That American analysts have degraded due to nepotism, quotas for feminists, BLM and LGBT, well, probably already the secret of Punchinelle. For Afghans, he is not their own and they did not consider him as such. For Pashtuns, only who follows Pashtunwali is Pashtun, the rest do not count. If you do not follow the code of honor of the Pashtun, what kind of Pashtun you are, so, camel feces. The Taliban, of course, owe their victory to the Pashtun Revolution. Supporting the masses. when millions are in motion, no punishers are able to stop the wave. And the Taliban only saddled the wave, like the ideal admirers of Pashtunwali.
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              19 September 2021 16: 30
              Quote: hrych
              That American analysts are degraded by nepotism
              What if not completely degraded? Look how interesting it turns out: all members of the current government of Afghanistan were sitting in Guantanamo. Suddenly they are released from there, ensure their rise to power, leave them with a bunch of weapons, and exactly what they need (tanks, for example, did not leave) and by draping, after 20 years of quite successful suppression of the Taliban, they provide indisputable authority. Where is the guarantee that they are not under the control of the Americans? In prison, they could be treated as they liked.
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                19 September 2021 16: 46
                It doesn't hurt that bullying in dungeons leads to adoration of the tormentors. And the Americans left their weapons not to the Taliban, but to a XNUMX-strong army of collaborators. Also, an army of daishaks has been formed against the Taliban. This is the long-range sight. And that their Taliban was smashed, or rather the Pashtun people rose sharply, analysts miscalculated cruelly.
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                  19 September 2021 19: 45
                  Quote: hrych
                  It doesn't hurt that bullying in dungeons leads to adoration of the tormentors.
                  Bullying does not lead to adoration, but specific chemistry leads to submission - it is possible.
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                    20 September 2021 00: 01
                    And not only. Let’s say months and years muzzle you. And suddenly they lead you to a fresh tracker. You've never seen him. He speaks to you politely, says that "the previous one was fired and he is under investigation for false charges, such as against you." You are transferred from some kind of casemate to a light cell, where the standard of living is like in an average hotel. And the new sledak comes to you again and again, talks politely, on abstract topics, does not press at all. In the end he says, "So, that snoop who drove the cart at you was fired and sat down. We are to blame for you, we can compensate you for this, with what? Power." Approximately in this spirit, except that it is much more subtle and the process of psychological processing takes years. Then you go out, confident that number 2 is your best friend and savior. And, if without damage to yourself, you will listen to what "this respected person" says to you. We are recruiting a lesson in such a way. And the black urks, by the way, they will be more educated and smarter than the Afghans, and they have more practical intelligence and common sense.
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                      20 September 2021 12: 30
                      The element of faith in your reasoning is completely absent.
                      And for them - Allah freed them from prison, by His grace ... wink
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                        20 September 2021 22: 52
                        There is not a single faith that cannot be broken. In Gwantanoma, these terrorists howled for mercy after being turned on to serve heavy metal music at full capacity :-). Well, and Marilyn Manson. 48 hours a day at full capacity. Nonstop. And they howled and begged for mercy. No Allah helped them. You can not give sleep too. a few days. And pray to your Allah, and this before your uncle even comes in with pliers, vise, needles and other funny bells and whistles. And the sledak says, "Your Allah is me. Only by my grace will you eat, sleep, breathe, and even think."
                        You see, someone else in the Union told how he would, all of himself so brave, under torture would not betray anything. And in our company there was a demobilization, a marine, EMNIP of the Black Sea Fleet. He smiled and said, "Would you tell me anything under torture? It doesn't work that way." And the eyes were kind kind :-).
                        It is behind the keys of your computers that you are all so ready to become religious martyrs, but in reality .. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
                        One of these terrorists later said that he still cannot close his eyes so as not to hear the songs of the "Drowning pool" group, by the way, the group, emnip, gave a concert to our soldiers last year. It went off with a bang.
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                        20 September 2021 23: 04
                        And in our company there was a demobilization, a marine, EMNIP of the Black Sea Fleet. He smiled and said, "Would you tell me anything under torture? It doesn't work that way." And the eyes were kind kind :-).

                        Of course, you have heard a lot of interesting things, but you need a little clarification: the special services are torturing so that the client remains alive.
                        The Marines are taught other torture. To get an answer to a question in a minute or two. And they really get it. But they have no task for the client to survive ...
                        And the conversation began about those who are now in the Afghan government.
                        These are quite intact. The Marines didn't work with them.
                        So don't confuse warm and soft. hi
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                        20 September 2021 23: 07
                        Have you heard about psychological torture? No? And what about banal bribery or set up with subsequent blackmail? When you are 72 hours at full volume, they play "Enter the Sandman" You just can't stand it. Even if a Metallica fan.
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                        20 September 2021 23: 10
                        After 10 years in the States, I returned to Russia.
                        Do you seem to be stuck there? wink

                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        I am in the USA. He fought in Afghanistan and Iraq.

                        For what country were they fought there, I'm embarrassed to ask? bully
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                        21 September 2021 02: 29
                        Yes My Retarded Ass Signed Up. - Solve the puzzle and find out for whom I fought. It's not for nothing that I wrote each letter with a capital :-)
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                        21 September 2021 10: 52
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        Solve the puzzle and find out for whom I fought.

                        lol
                        You are quite an open book. No puzzles.
                        I was just wondering whether you admit it yourself or you will evade it.
                      7. -1
                        21 September 2021 11: 33
                        Excuse me, why should I hide? I am a US citizen. I did not find myself in civilian life. I went to the Army. The army has fulfilled ALL its promises to me: trained me to be a paramedic (Field Medic. MOS 68W). Then, she offered me training for an X-ray machine operator (MOS 68P). Paid for my college where I got my bachelor of science as a nurse. But now I work exactly as an operator of the Roentgen Machine. It's just that there were no positions in the Veterans' hospital that were not my brother's. And it's safer for me to work as an X-ray technician than as a nurse - there is less responsibility. I have absolutely no complaints about the American Army. All the promises given to me, the Army has fulfilled, for which thanks to her. If the army had given me the opportunity to serve not in Iraq / Afghanistan, but in Europe or there in Okinawa, I might not have left the Army at all.
                        "Before us is the land that blooms, behind just burning grass. Don't fret, my friend, we have a man, who will decide for us. A bit exhausted, yet relieved, we will be coming home - our price - our beautiful young brides, their hair shines as gold, it will all come, but right now, steady hands and steely hands, we are marching through Iraq's gray dust, we're US ARMY MEN ". Translation, or rather my alteration. But the original - I hope you guess.
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                        21 September 2021 14: 25
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        And it's safer for me to work as an X-ray technician than as a nurse - there is less responsibility.

                        Yes, I know - my father worked as a radiologist. smile
                        If I understand correctly - were you born in the States?
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                        21 September 2021 18: 14
                        No, he was born and raised in the USSR. They lived there quite well. Father is a musician of the Kiev Chamber, mother is a teacher of Russian language. As soon as "perestroika" began, back in 1986, the wise grandfather Joseph (by the way, a retired lieutenant colonel of the border troops), said "This will not end well." And in January 1991 he said “Everything, guys, we’re ticking, there will be no sense here, these will plunder everything, sell it, drink it, sell it for tweets and clothes, and what they cannot steal, sell and drink, they will dirtiest and break it. Stalin. " As the grandfather looked into the water. In September 1991 they fled.
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                        21 September 2021 18: 21
                        At 91 in Vienna they were no longer grabbed and they were not dragged to Israel by force. )))
                        Friends from Kiev (later Brooklyn) talked about it.
                        I came to the States for the first time in 91, in May. Even under the USSR.
                        Then my daughter in the States went to school on a student visa.
                        In 1997, the green card was won for the whole family. The daughter was going to college. She needed to be legalized.
                        Now she is a US citizen, and I am in Russia. I feel better this way. hi
                      11. -1
                        21 September 2021 19: 19
                        Dragged. Force - no, but persuaded, but my family did not need it, and neither did I. We even had two incidents with rabbis. Both are in Italy. Incident 1. Retired people were invited to the "Fun Evening of Entertainment". They invited me and began to sulk under the sweet babbling of mandolins. They say "the land of the ancestors, the faith of the ancestors, the traditions of the ancestors, you are going home." Some kind of under-self-directed orchestra was playing, and "Freilakhs" was playing. Grandfather and grandmother ate there, then they decided to sharpen their skis, but some rabbi began to persuade them to stay, and stood not letting them get out. The grandfather shrugged his shoulders, kissed the booze and "like a booze" began to sing "The Gunners - Stalin gave the order" and other patriotic songs. Until they were released. They did not hold him back by force, but one of the rabbis "unobtrusively" stood across the door and gently persuaded to sit "among his own people." Grandfather did not remember this evening except with obscenities. He missed a chess game with an Italian lucky enough to return from the Eastern Front. He and his grandfather met at the market in Ladispoli. We spoke in German. It was generally surreal. Two lean, bouncy grandfathers are sitting - dark-skinned, black-eyed, hunchbacked, black-eyed and black-haired - pure Aryans, and they spar and swear in German :-). True, by the end of the evening, having thoroughly pumped up sweet Italian wine, they switched to Russian and Italian :-). My grandfather wanted to stay even in Italy :-). The Rodoks, by the way, were also not against it, and so did I. Marko (my grandfather's friend) looked at me and said - you will marry one of ours, only it hurts a lot in me then it was 180, now it is 185).

                        Incident two. They invited me and Rodok like to take English lessons. From English there was "Hello Friends", and then crazy. I endured for a long time (the beach was waiting for me). They climbed up to me with their box with laces on my hand - I just turned out corny. My dad (the Jew, by the way, also got rid of it). They were muttering something, rolling their eyes. And then they started to go crazy. We honestly endured (we hoped for a free snack, we gave very little money, we tried to save as much as we could to the state, other emigrants went on excursions, and we reasoned that spending 200 bucks on an excursion was an unaffordable luxury, and we managed to take out our own in dollars a little more $ 1000. They took care of every penny, and my father and I even earned a little extra money at the Italians' bazaar. It was with that Marco. He not only paid us, but also fed us with lunch. ", I just said," Some have already yelled about the appointment of a superior race, ended with the capture of Berlin in 1945, look no matter how your screams ended with the storming of Tel Aviv. "After which there were no more questions for me and my family.
                        Dad laughed for a long time, and then said "Dim, thank you, of course, that you pulled us out of this gathering of loonies, but next time, let's soften it up there." To which I replied that next time with such a scammer I will go out and sing ... "Erica". Dad, with the smile of a mako shark, said "You will become."

                        It's not that the sermon was read, but that the evening was advertised as an "English Seminar". After these two incidents, wherever Jewish organizations called us, we did not go. They simply, corny, did not believe. By the way, we were told that in the same way they lured the people that they say "Seminar on job search in the USA". The people came, and they were also agitated for "religious and cultural self-awareness", that is, moving to Israel. After all these incidents, Dad told the joke "That's why they don't like us" :-). However, a classmate told me a long time ago.
                        The Rodoki generally wanted to stay in Austria or Germany. Mom and Dad both taught German as a foreign language at school and universities. Grandfather and grandmother also spoke German. (Not in Yiddish, but in German).

                        For the sake of truth, I can say that Jewish organizations were already in the United States when they invited grandparents to "evenings for the elderly", they did not go to preach to them, honestly gave English lessons and fed them. They organized concerts, and not only Klazmer and Freilahs, but also classical jazz and old American music. For which both the grandmother and the grandfather were grateful and even donated a little to these organizations from their pensions. We have no complaints about Jewish organizations in the United States. They helped us, not with money, but with services (For example, free visits to doctors and free blood tests, they even gave my mother an ultrasound scan for free, when I got sick bronchitis, X-rays were taken for free. They really helped us, for which they are HUGE thanks), free concerts, and even cult visits to museums in Russian. While we used their services, we donated as much as we could. Because freebies need to be groomed and cherished. In the JCC (Jewish community Center), there was even a judo section led by an Armenian, a master of sports in judo, who married a Jewish woman and with a clear conscience rushed to the USA (with a purely symbolic fee), where I went until I met Sifu Spivey and left to him.
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                        21 September 2021 19: 48
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        Force - no, but persuaded

                        You got off easy.
                        In the 80s, Nativ simply wrapped flippers for people at the Vienna airport and instead of New York they "happily" flew to Tel Aviv. Yes
                        My friends sent their daughter to an Orthodox school in the States in exchange for help with the placement.
                        Then they regretted very much. They said it was not our daughter who grew up.
                        She became very religious, and then built them for a long time. bully
                        What you can and cannot eat, what and where to throw garbage, etc. smile
                      13. -1
                        21 September 2021 20: 02
                        Yeah, brave guys under the command of Kedmi :-). Although I do not know what would have been worse. Tel Aviv or Ukraine / Russia for us in the "fun 90s" I think that Tel Aviv would be preferable.

                        And then these fled from the "promised land" to the United States. I know those. The Katsman family. They were thus wrapped up in Israel. After that, the head of the family, Misha, said, "I did not raise two sons to kill them while all the orthodox and Hasidim do not work, they are fully dependent, and" serve "in Arimia so that Arafat should issue orders to them for such a pseudo service." This Misha Katsman, and other people who fled from Israel, said this. Let's just say that some Hasidim and Orthodox are not far from the Taliban in terms of lifestyle and mentality. And there are THOUSANDS of such "fugitives from Israel". Run away from the "promised land" so that the heels sparkled. They took out from there the wildest hostility to rabbis, Hasidim and other religious Jews, and at the same time to black Jews. They did not call all of them otherwise than "deceitful parasites". By the way, I also saw very few Jews in the American army. But here, in general, it has its own specificity and a specific contingent. From poor whites from the suburbs who came "purely for college money" to the rednecks "I serve because my grandfather served, and dad served, and my uncles served," to black "How else can I get out of the ghetto", and to the Mexicans (And I have a green card is needed, desperately, Essays, and my surname needs green cards). And all this is mainly people who do not take root in civilian life. Neither before the army, nor, especially, after. And not because some kind of antisocial maniacs. But simply because thinking is different. Although corporate political thinking is increasingly poisoning the army. And not only the United States. in Germany, all KSK special forces were expelled from service for "disloyalty to the political elite and the political ideas of the European Union." In the United States, there is now talk of loyalty tests for members of the Armed Forces. Aired on TV by Tucker Carlson. The Liberator (by the way, a Jew) from the Senate rolled her eyes and howled that 85% of the Armed Forces voted for Trump, which means that the Armed Forces are struck by "ultra-right extremism" and it is necessary to cleanse the Armed Forces of "disloyal and extreme elements." Naturally with the surname of the senator (I do not remember, but she is Jewish). Of course, all this greatly adds to the "love for the Jews" in the Armed Forces and other conservative circles.
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                        21 September 2021 20: 06
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        Yeah, brave guys under the command of Kedmi :-).

                        This was before Kedmi. He ruled from 92 to 99 in Nativ.
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        And then these fled from the "promised land" to the United States.

                        Yes. And so it was.
                        Since I am from the Kuban Cossacks (half Russian, half Ukrainian), these features of the "national hunt", thank God, did not concern me. bully
                        And grandfather and grandmother ran from Stalin: from St. Petersburg to Batumi ...
                        When the summons came to Liteiny (and no one returned home from there), the grandfather and his family went on the run.
                        What they had to endure was not even a hunt to remember. Derbani them all, and it was not too lazy. After all, you will not complain anywhere ...
                        Later my grandfather was surrounded near Kiev. I was only able to escape from the concentration camp 4 times. All the rest died.
                        PS I saw the Holocaust in the North Caucasus with my own eyes. They gathered everyone in Pyatigorsk, said that they were being resettled to the Crimea ... They were taken not far away and shot. Both children and adults.
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                        21 September 2021 20: 27
                        Well, grandfather said nothing but good about Stalin. He even brought a portrait of Stalin with him to the United States. Now this portrait is hanging with me. The most interesting thing is that my grandfather sat down in 1949, was released, after 7 months, with the restoration of his rank and the return of all the awards, and the one who hit him (by the way, he was a Cossack, by the way) sat down for 15 years. My grandfather said that anti-Semitism flourished in the USSR under Khrushchev, not Stalin. He told me that in the camp where he was sitting, 80% had to sit. Whether there were innocent people under Stalin - yes. But they are still sitting. Even in the USA.
                        But I am inclined to believe Grandfather Joseph, and at the same time many historians like Yulin that the overwhelming majority were imprisoned FOR CASE and not just for the sake of show-off.
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                        21 September 2021 20: 36
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        But I am inclined to believe Grandfather Joseph, and at the same time many historians like Yulin that the overwhelming majority were imprisoned FOR CASE and not just for the sake of show-off.

                        For CASE? For what?
                        My second grandfather (a doctor) sat down for a joke at the age of 48 for 10 years (a Cossack who envied his grandfather's house).
                        He served 5, Stalin died and was fully rehabilitated.
                        Due to the lack of corpus delicti.
                        But there was nowhere to return. The property was confiscated. The one who knocked lived in the house. That was the order.
                        This is how grandfather and grandmother lived in Ukhta all their lives.
                        Where mosquitoes don't bite, but push ...
                        The deadline was then given even 15 minutes late for work.
                        Where you are right is that they were planted "not for the sake of show-off."
                        Millions of free hands were needed.
                        There are tales that unskilled labor did not play a role.
                        It is not bad for storytellers to remember "sharashki".
                        Almost all famous designers "worked" there.
                        However, this is a matter of faith. Arguments do not roll here. request
                        You believe your grandfather (he was amazingly lucky), I believe in mine.
                        For this, I have the honor. hi
                        PS I have not personally encountered anti-Semitism in the USSR.
                        As a Soviet man, he grew up as an internationalist.
                        But after living in the States, he began to dislike blacks.
                        I don’t need to tell you why?
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                        21 September 2021 21: 24
                        Oh, I don’t need to talk about "innocently oppressed designers". Tupolev sat down for the waste, for which he could not account. Kurchatovsky for the same. I spent the money, but there’s no way out. His guns did not work. And many other "innocently" oppressed designers sat down precisely for this. There is money, there is a report on what "works", and during military trials it is a complete failure. I'm too lazy to dig in my library about each of them. And the waste WERE. Tupolev, emnip could not report on 10000r spent on overseas business trips .. Then it was a HUGE amount.
                        And understand, Sir. Military conspiracies WERE. And the conspiracies of the Trotskyists WERE. Both Yulin and others have written more than once that many of the repressed suffered not innocently, but precisely for close ties with the members of these conspiracies. And as for "free labor", then you forgot that the delivery of the ZK to the damn kulichi, the construction of a camp there, the delivery of food there, as well as the maintenance of the guards there (although soldiers are needed at the front), is much more expensive than giving the same people to work at home.
                        Whether they were innocent - absolutely. They wrote denunciations and deceitful, and not entirely deceitful. And what about the doctors. The fact that someone is a doctor or a locksmith does not mean anything. The best example is the favorite "hero" of the Soviet intelligentsia - Preobrazhensky? How did he earn money? Correctly illegal abortions for youngsters. That even in the "democratic USA" is a matter of the noblemen's jurisdiction. The fact that a person is a doctor (or a janitor) does not mean that he is innocent. Several doctors recently sat down in the United States. For fraud with medical insurance, for the illegal distribution of narcotic drugs (Norko, for example). Although, of course, if someone had interviewed them, they would, with wide eyes, say that they are innocent, and that they are simply entrepreneurs.
                        And about the "rehabilitated" recently, Kedmi at Solovyov said "They were rehabilitated according to the order - the order came from above - to rehabilitate - and they rehabilitated everyone, and Bandera, and thieves, and bandits." What what, and Kedmi knows the History quite well. Moreover, reading and listening to his speeches, I sincerely wish your government to treat Russia and its people as Kedmi. Oh, he rode through the war with monuments, Solzhenitsyn and others.
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                        21 September 2021 23: 13
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        What what, but Kedmi knows the History quite well. Moreover, reading and listening to his speeches, I sincerely wish your government to treat Russia and its people as Kedmi. Oh, he rode through the war with monuments, Solzhenitsyn and others.

                        A good friend of mine knows Kedmi personally.
                        Paying tribute to him, he told a lot of interesting things about Yakov.
                        So your advice will not be useful to me. wink
                      19. -1
                        21 September 2021 23: 19
                        I am not familiar with Kedmi except from his publications and speeches. I share his position on the situation in modern "Young Democracy with 30 Years of History" more than completely. I share his opinion on Ukraine as well. And he says everything correctly about the USA (What cesspool will we come to if we do not change course very quickly and very abruptly).
                        I don’t know what your friend told you about Mr. Kedmi. Naturally, Kedmi is primarily an Israeli. That does not prevent him from quite rightly assessing the very sad situations in the United States, and in Russia and in Ukraine. Kedmi knows exactly what the adored by your "honestly elected" government, Ilyin and Solzhenitsyn, were.
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                        21 September 2021 23: 52
                        Power suits me. Voted for her.
                        Solzhenitsin was born in the same city as me.
                        I can tell you about him. And you - no to me.
                        You don't know enough about him because.
                        And he is a Nobel laureate in literature. wink
                      21. 0
                        22 September 2021 01: 20
                        Yeah. And why was he given Shnobelevskaya? For the collapse of the USSR. As well as Gorbachev. And why was Obama given the Shnobelevskaya? For the bombing? Don't tell my slippers. The Shnobel Prize has long been given only for POLITICAL reasons. In addition to the fact that Solzhenitsin is a nonsense, a defeatist who at the front said that it was useless to fight and that you had to surrender, you don't need to know anything more about him. And with you everything is clear to me, I loved EdRa, Ilyin and Solzhenitsin.
                      22. 0
                        22 September 2021 08: 42
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        The Shnobel Prize has long been given only for POLITICAL reasons.

                        Who is awarded the Nobel Prize "for POLITICAL reasons only"?
                        The country in whose army you fought? lol

                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        lover EdRa

                        I am not a fan of United Russia, but why are you scared, in relation to the Russian party in general and in relation to the Russian government in particular, are you scornful?
                        You have not had anything to do with Russia for a long time? Yes
                        I'm not telling you anything about your "tanned" Obama, or Trump, or Biden. wink
                        You choose them for yourself, and then you fight on their orders.
                        Is everything OK?
                        Or did you feel nostalgia for the USSR?
                        So the USSR was destroyed by those on whose side you are now.
                        And you, on this side, are happy with everything and even grateful:
                        Quote: Baron Pardus
                        I have absolutely no complaints about the American Army. All the promises given to me, the Army has fulfilled, for which thanks to her. If the army had given me the opportunity to serve not in Iraq / Afghanistan, but in Europe or there in Okinawa, I might not have left the Army at all.

                        PS My friends have lived in the States for 30 years. In Beverly Hills. The head of the family is a world famous architect.
                        4 years ago we started thinking: do they live there, where necessary?
                        We moved to Moscow 2 years ago.
                        Not only are they happy with everything, but their daughter, who was born in the States, with her French husband, bought an apartment in Krylatskoye and are going to move too.
                        The daughter's son has been attending a Russian school this year and is happy.
                        You will not see and understand this.
                        The prejudice is too great. hi
        3. 0
          19 September 2021 19: 03
          Quote: hrych
          It is better for Uzbekistan not to quarrel with Afghans,

          Behind these "Afghans" Pakistan's ears stick out, its special forces are working in Afghanistan to the fullest.
      2. 0
        19 September 2021 23: 12
        pickup) if the Taliban can of course
    2. +5
      19 September 2021 11: 59
      Quote: knn54
      Recognized by the Taliban, give it back. If not, keep it for yourself, or at your discretion.

      good
      Taliban demand the return of equipment, as well as pilots, promising amnesty to all returning

      I remember that one uncle (former pilot, major general) also wanted to keep aviation in the republic ... crying Did not have time. Apparently he dreamed of raising his Tu-22 and flying over Red Square ...
      Listen, I didn't live - I died ...
      1. +2
        19 September 2021 12: 09
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I remember that one uncle (former pilot, major general) also wanted to keep aviation in the republic ...

        Yes, all aviation then (mainly L-39) was immediately destroyed by ours ... although after that, before he died, he congratulated the Russian Air Force on the successful operation and offered to meet on the ground ... by the way, the hero of the Soviet Union was ...
        1. +1
          19 September 2021 12: 12
          Quote: Lara Croft
          by the way, the hero of the Soviet Union was ...

          I have never seen the Stars of the Hero of the Soviet Union on his jacket, and my nephew did not have time to tell about it ...
          1. +1
            19 September 2021 12: 20
            Quote: ROSS 42
            I have never seen the Stars of the Hero of the Soviet Union on his jacket.

            Wrong.
            Dudaev was always distinguished by exactingness, endurance, care for people, honest attitude to service., - said his immediate commander, General of the Air Force Pyotr Deinekin, who later destroyed all the aviation of his former subordinate at the airfields in Chechnya at the end of 1994 ...
            Among the Soviet military awards Dudaev received, including for Afghanistan - the Order of the Battle Red Banner, the order Red Stars, three medals for Impeccable Service, a badge to the Soldier-Internationalist.

            https://zen.yandex.ru/media/chechnya/gde-i-kogda-slujil-v-sovetskoi-armii-djohar-dudaev-kakie-voinskie-nagrady-on-poluchil-5f199c1990d2f3540f1ecb67
        2. 0
          20 September 2021 06: 18
          That I don’t remember that this devil someone hung a star of the hero.
    3. +3
      19 September 2021 12: 02
      Why give it back? If Afghanistan has officially bought the equipment, then yes, after the recognition of the barmaleev, they will have to give it back. And if the mattress covers were placed within the framework of the type of assistance, then they can probably take them back?
      1. +2
        19 September 2021 12: 13
        Quote: paul3390
        then yes, after the recognition of the Barmaleev have to give.

        Yes
        Key phrase!
        1. +2
          19 September 2021 12: 19
          Let them recognize them wherever they go. Is there another option? As soon as China recognizes, the rest will stand in line, they will crowd. For otherwise - the Chinese are sure to grab everything for themselves .. And he admits - as soon as he receives weighty guarantees that the barmaids will not go to Xinjiang. On the other hand, do the Taliban Uyghurs dream at night? So - I think that in a very short time, the barmaleev will be fine with recognition.
          1. 0
            19 September 2021 12: 32
            Quote: paul3390
            Is there another option?

            There is. The Chinese did not officially recognize Crimea as a part of the Russian Federation? Imagine the reaction of the vassal countries, whose “chief”, with such haste and shame, organized the withdrawal of its own citizens (and loyal ones) ... What can they expect from the recognition of the power that expelled the hegemon? Only opals from the "boss" side.
            Those who, in principle, are not afraid of international publicity and boycott (these are the PRC and Iran) and who have common borders with Afghanistan, will begin to recognize the Taliban as power.
            For the rest, due to their own disorder and uncertainty, it will be more profitable to wait ...
            I am most interested in the position of the Russian Federation - which will it choose? So far - Taliban (banned on Russian territory as a terrorist organization) ... And what is outside of Russian territory?
            Perhaps this is a very serious issue and a quick solution is impossible.
            1. +2
              19 September 2021 12: 46
              Of course - everyone will prefer to wait .. But - until the recognition by China. For as soon as he announces this, the Chinese will begin to massively buy up Afghanistan. And to invest in everything that is somehow interesting. And there - there is something. And in order not to be late for the division, the rest will have to hurry .. The same applies to the Russian Federation, if we want to keep at least some influence there at all .. In general, the principle "who got up first - that and slippers" will work here ..

              And the PRC is still waiting for guarantees from the barmaleev .. To provide them in their own interests.
              1. +3
                19 September 2021 12: 53
                Quote: paul3390
                The same applies to the Russian Federation, if, of course, we want to preserve at least some influence there at all.

                Do you think that we need influence on a country with a medieval order that we cannot change? For what preferences? We have enough of our own, internal problems that await an urgent and radical solution ...
                In addition, we have ceased to "make friends" with those who are simply worthy of it.
              2. +1
                19 September 2021 19: 14
                Quote: paul3390
                In general, the principle "who got up first - that and the slippers" will work here ..

                "Tapki" has already been privatized - Pakistan rules there, this whole blitz operation with the seizure of power took place with his direct participation. And something tells me that the Chinese and Pakistan have already decided everything in a big way. Now the details are being settled.
    4. -1
      20 September 2021 01: 05
      Recognized by the Taliban, give it back. If not, keep it for yourself, or at your discretion.

      Why on earth? Movable property may not belong to some abstract "country" or "people", but to an individual or legal entity. Formally, the equipment belonged to the Ministry of Defense, or the government, or the General Staff, or whatever office there was. The fact that they rushed over the hill does not mean that they have lost their ownership. At a minimum, this requires a decision from a competent court.
      And the return of people is generally super insolence. They did not swear allegiance to Drabadan. And even if they swore an oath, there must be a bilateral agreement on mutual extradition (I can't believe it).
  3. +4
    19 September 2021 11: 54
    Lucky Uzbeks - how many equipment fell for nothing!
  4. +1
    19 September 2021 11: 57
    Here, in my opinion, the most important thing is this
    who managed to save not only their equipment, but also take out the families.
  5. -2
    19 September 2021 12: 00
    Badly. now they will fight for the technique, they will have to separate.
    1. +1
      19 September 2021 12: 17
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Badly. now they will fight for the technique, they will have to separate.

      Did the Georgians or Yankees return a lot of their equipment after the events of 08.08.08? There were no shit and separation. They faded and faded.
      1. 0
        19 September 2021 12: 47
        No, they returned something anyway. Although the Yankees were crying, something had to be done.
        1. 0
          19 September 2021 15: 00
          Quote: Sands Career General
          No, they returned something anyway. Although the Yankees were crying, something had to be done.

          On account of any return, nothing came across anywhere. request
          1. 0
            19 September 2021 19: 30
            This is a grandmother in two said
  6. +2
    19 September 2021 12: 00
    ...... recently it became known that all Afghans together with their families from Uzbekistan will be transported to Qatar.

    Uzbekistan made a wise decision. These are the results of an emergency meeting of the CSTO countries.
    1. +1
      19 September 2021 12: 36
      Quote: askort154
      Uzbekistan made a wise decision. These are the results of an emergency meeting of the CSTO countries.

      Uzbekistan, not in the CSTO.
      And they, unlike Tajikistan, "recognized" the Taliban (they are ready to admit it).
  7. +4
    19 September 2021 12: 08
    The Taliban are a kind of bandits who cut off the heads of everyone. They can only return the equipment of the Russian Aerospace Forces with the FAB-500 in the hatches and on the suspension, and without any warning. They deserve it, despite their student age.
  8. +4
    19 September 2021 12: 13
    Aha promise amnesty bully
    In the telegram, you can find a video of how "babakhs" are hammering the pilots of the Afghan "army" with a sledgehammer and killing their families.
  9. -2
    19 September 2021 12: 17
    Count the number flying equipment that flew from Afghanistan to neighboring countries

    ***
    Better then awesome...
    ***
  10. +4
    19 September 2021 12: 18
    The Taliban demand the return of equipment, as well as pilots, promising amnesty to all who return,

    Chet inspired -
    "Promise them now whatever you want, and then we will hang them ...."
    Everywhere and always the bandits are the same. You can't trust them.
  11. 0
    19 September 2021 12: 59
    The most valuable asset is the pilots, in Qatar and not only the Americans will find a use for them, but Uzbekistan will have to return the equipment to the Taliban as soon as one of the states recognizes the legitimate power of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
    1. 0
      19 September 2021 19: 17
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Uzbekistan will have to return the equipment to the Taliban as soon as one of the states recognizes the legitimate power of the Taliban in Afghanistan

      Iran recognized Iraq, but did not return the planes.
  12. 0
    19 September 2021 13: 29
    The equipment will have to be returned, it would be nice for Russia to come to an agreement with Uzbekistan and get at its disposal at least one UH-60A for study.
  13. +1
    19 September 2021 13: 33
    who came to power in Afghanistan, does not abandon attempts to return to its territory the aircraft belonging to the Afghan army and flew to neighboring countries.

    Yes, there, and so they got a weapon that any European country will simply envy ..
    The Amers left them all for a reason .. They are sent to the north hi
  14. +2
    19 September 2021 14: 05
    The number of aircraft that flew from Afghanistan to neighboring countries has been counted
    ... Amnesty, that's okay, but who will take them FOR FOOD?
    At the expense of the financial situation of the state, everything is very sour! Where can they get help from?
    We need a working financial system, otherwise it’s not possible, only partisans based on self-feeding ...
    1. +3
      19 September 2021 14: 40
      So, there it is very far from the creation of a normal state, and the laws of Sharia law will never get along with civilization ...
      1. 0
        19 September 2021 14: 49
        Quote: cniza
        So, there it is very far from the creation of a normal state, and the laws of Sharia law will never get along with civilization ...

        Victor will not get along .. there will be slaughter! Everyone will screw up and then they will trample them ..
        1. +1
          19 September 2021 18: 03
          I don't want to guess, I'm sorry for ordinary people ...
      2. +1
        19 September 2021 14: 54
        At the expense of laws ... transformation into something that can function with a sufficient degree of flexibility is possible ... there are examples around.
        In general, we will see.
        1. +2
          19 September 2021 18: 03
          We'll see everything soon, the Taliban is also not homogeneous, there are different groups ...
          1. +1
            19 September 2021 19: 00
            Well, yes, the victory has many "fathers".
            It all depends on how they agree, what they decide.
            1. +2
              19 September 2021 21: 10
              Everything is complicated there, I would say a complete lottery and it looks like without a lucky ticket ...
              1. +1
                19 September 2021 21: 33
                They have chosen themselves, it is not for us to judge them.
  15. +3
    19 September 2021 14: 39
    Taliban demand the return of equipment, as well as pilots, promising amnesty to all returning


    They will not believe in amnesty, and they will not want to return to where they are hungry ...
    1. +1
      19 September 2021 14: 45
      Quote: cniza
      Taliban demand the return of equipment, as well as pilots, promising amnesty to all returning


      They will not believe in amnesty, and they will not want to return to where they are hungry ...

      And they can cut off Victor's head! The Taliban is a movement, but they do not know what to do with weapons and power. Soon they will begin to kill each other for power.
      the usa is trying to direct them north, but they do not want to hi
      1. +1
        19 September 2021 17: 59
        Yes, Vitaly, these guys are still behaving modestly, and what will happen next we will soon find out and see ...
      2. 0
        19 September 2021 19: 22
        Quote: Vakcin
        the usa is trying to direct them north, but they do not want to

        They are unlikely to trample north. We now have good relations with Pakistan, and he always kept the Taliban under control.
  16. 0
    19 September 2021 15: 03
    Kandahar IL - 76. Come on students goodbye wassat
  17. 0
    19 September 2021 15: 17
    Well them, this is not our showdown. stop
  18. 0
    19 September 2021 17: 09
    This technique can be called whatever you like, as they say; don't put it in a pot, just don't put it in the oven, for this (writer) the cuckoo worked just like that - a flying machine, so be it - we are all different ...
  19. 0
    19 September 2021 22: 28
    Pilots and technicians, as one of the most educated military, without waiting for an order to attack, or at least in reconnaissance, decided to screw loose with their families away from uncertainty and a possible Middle Ages IMHO.