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In Zlatoust developed a submachine gun to replace the PP-91 "Kedr"

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Special forces units of law enforcement agencies will soon receive the new KEDR-PARA submachine gun. The novelty was developed in Zlatoust and is already entering the stage of state tests.


The submachine gun was developed on its own initiative by the Zlatoust Machine-Building Plant to replace the PP-91 Kedr submachine gun currently in service with security officials. This August this weapon has already been successfully tested in the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, following the results of tests, some changes were made to the design regarding the installation of Picatinny rails. State tests of the new submachine gun are scheduled for early 2022.

As the name implies, the PP "Kedr-PARA" was created on the basis of the PP-91 "Kedr" submachine gun. The new weapon uses a 9X19 mm cartridge. The submachine gun is designed for close combat in urban environments.

"KEDR-PARA" PP-2011.000 (...) was developed for the 9x19 caliber cartridge and should replace the PP-91 "Kedr" submachine gun currently in service with law enforcement agencies

- leads RIA News the words of the head of the small arms sales bureau of JSC "Zlatmash" Vadim Astashin.

On the official website of "Zlatmash" the following tactical and technical characteristics of PP Kedr-PARA are given: caliber - 9 mm, cartridge - 9x19, total length with butt - 540 mm, total length without butt - 312 mm, weight without cartridges - 1,8 kg, weight with cartridges - 1,85 kg, magazine capacity - 20 and 30 cartridges, sighting range - up to 200 meters, rate of fire - 800-1000 rpm.

Let's remind that PP-91 "Kedr" (Design by Evgeny Dragunov) was developed in the early 90s by order of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. The weapon is in service with many law enforcement agencies, incl. in the divisions of the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service.
Photos used:
http://weapon.zlatmash.ru/
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 September 2021 07: 02
    +6
    The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 September 2021 07: 16
      +21
      PP-91 of the last years of production were of very low quality. At the shooting range, out of 10, 3 had firing delays, of which two had the receiver torn off, and one had a skewed cartridge. Compared to the oldies of the 90s, it's sad.
      To be honest, it would be better to finish the Bizon - Vityaz in the form of a PP-20 Kalashnikov, or even better, they would return the Cypress. Simple, not killing, easy.
      1. raw174
        raw174 19 September 2021 07: 59
        +6
        The Knight, of course, is a much better machine, more useful, for me personally ...
      2. Split
        Split 19 September 2021 10: 57
        +5
        Shot from a cedar when he was just accepted ... at 94 ... a wonderful machine for those times good But I was 13 years old and my father was the deputy head of the Department of Internal Affairs repeat And this was the first automatic
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 19 September 2021 11: 09
        +3
        no one is insured against marriage, especially if the production specifications are violated, and other enterprises do Vityaz and Cypress ..
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          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 19 September 2021 20: 45
            +4
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.


            For grannies and students - the very thing.

            Insanity seems to grow stronger in the heads of a number of members of the forum. Slogans at the level of Hali-Laiki have been killing lately on the pages of VO.
            I can sincerely assure you that no old woman has suffered from PP-91 for twenty-five years of operation !!! laughing


            Seriously? Proofs?

            If you do not agree, then try to refute the facts - Proofs !?
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 September 2021 13: 03
        +7
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.


        For grannies and students - the very thing.

        Any entertainment of yours?
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 19 September 2021 14: 31
          -8
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.


          For grannies and students - the very thing.

          Any entertainment of yours?


          Mine did not understand yours.
    3. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 20 September 2021 09: 59
      +1
      Something I do not understand TTX. The weight of 20 rounds is 50 grams? So it is indicated in the article
  2. riwas
    riwas 19 September 2021 07: 12
    +15
    In the photo, the "Cedar" looks like a muffler. The experience of the war in the Caucasus in settlements has shown the advantage of the same Vintorez. The militants could not detect where the fire was coming from.
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 19 September 2021 07: 19
      +14
      Pbs is a good thing, especially when they start to clean up from the last one going.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 September 2021 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: riwas
      The experience of the war in the Caucasus in settlements has shown the advantage of the same "Vintorez"

      The aiming ranges of "Vint" and "Cedar" are incomparable.
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 19 September 2021 11: 10
      +2
      This is a photo from the network, because. only the cartridge has changed - visually, the weapon will not change ..
  3. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 19 September 2021 07: 27
    +8
    In 2004 I had a chance to hold * Cedar * in my hands! Whisper! I didn't want to give it away! Ideal for me according to anthropometric data! But the APS turned out to be too big for my brush! It was uncomfortable to hold with one hand. Abydna! legendary weapon!
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 19 September 2021 08: 12
      -2
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      But the APS turned out to be too big for my brush! It was uncomfortable to hold with one hand. Abydna!

      real guys don't hold weapons with one hand. wink
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 20 September 2021 05: 40
        +3
        I held the APS with both hands! and I am a civilian, peaceful person! under my diploma, teachers of biology and chemistry in the military registration and enlistment office of the VUS could not find!
    2. Split
      Split 19 September 2021 11: 01
      +3
      And I was 94, only 1 copy was sent to the OVD, I was 13 years old and I was one of the first to shoot from it. Father is the deputy of the internal affairs department, although in principle, according to my comments, it is enough to find out where it was ... including a dart
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 19 September 2021 11: 11
      -4
      request and also the APS has no butt ...
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 19 September 2021 13: 21
        +3
        Quote: Barberry25
        and also the APS has no butt ...

        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 19 September 2021 13: 31
          +1
          we are talking about a normal folding stock, and not about a removable ersatz .. Or do we really have someone for combat wear a wooden holster or a bent crowbar, so that if something happens, get the weapon out of the holster, get the removable stock, install it and then use it?
          1. va3610
            va3610 20 September 2021 13: 25
            +1
            You are confusing a warm for a soft, APS pistol, not a submachine gun.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 20 September 2021 13: 29
              +1
              I mean that automatic pistols a la APS-go into oblivion due to their inefficiency in comparison with a full-fledged pistol-type PP a la Kashtan, Buk, PP-2000 due to the fact that they have a normal folding stock .. i I do not exclude that, in theory, the APS could acquire a folding butt, but this is the same as talking about TT in the key of the Baltic
      2. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 20 September 2021 05: 41
        +1
        And the APS also has 40-round clips! my nasyalnika held such in his hands! and there are photos on the network!
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 September 2021 10: 03
          +2
          laughing and? the PP-2000 has a 44-round magazine ... and a regular, and not a rare version ... the problem is that now there are already a lot of GOOD and modern options, this was before the APS compared to the PM or TT was a wunderwolf ... now it is morally outdated
          1. serg.shishkov2015
            serg.shishkov2015 20 September 2021 10: 15
            +1
            And I don't argue with that! There is a choice! I know about shops for PP-2000! But of all the PPs, I like * Heather * the most! Complete with * Gyurza *! good for one cartridge - SP-10, 9 * 21. Kevlar NATO helmet * Gyurza * from 50 meters punches right through! and there is * Chestnut *, which, when firing bursts in the center of the target, breaks out a hole - such is the accuracy!
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 September 2021 07: 43
    +3
    Technically and beautifully. This was not the case before.
    This is correct when spetsnaz units are armed with better weapons than those against whom they are used. Let the assessment be given by experts who held such a weapon in their hands - there is something to compare with.
    soldier
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 September 2021 07: 54
      +7
      It is not the special forces that run with the cedars. Even the teaching staff carries them. Yes, and in my opinion, they too have incasators. And the non-household also had them in the order.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 19 September 2021 09: 29
        +3
        FSIN special forces ran with them, there was also Cypress and PP-90. Now I do not know.
      2. Split
        Split 19 September 2021 11: 06
        +3
        Here's a jump in the last 10 years ... not 1 pps, I have not seen the collection with cedars, the current is 1 time in the year 16 ... all polls with ksenia. I'm working right now in the GCSS, of course I can look at what armaments are worth ... yes, I didn't seem to sign anything, but I won't look hi
      3. antikilller55
        antikilller55 19 September 2021 13: 13
        +8
        And the non-departmental one also had them in the order.
        Our battalion was also rearmed in 2016 from an ax-74u to pp-91 Kedr. Yes, it is light and in a car it is more convenient and more convenient to run with it, but the quality is so poor, the store was attached with an elastic band to the trigger bracket so that it would not spontaneously fall out, and the problem was officially recognized by the commanders and I received the rubber band along with the weapon in the gun and I was responsible checked it. They also wrapped a plastic plug on the bottom of the pistol grip with black electrical tape, because it also tended to fall off and get lost, buying it is a problem. When firing singles at a distance of 25 meters, it is very accurate, automatic fire is practically useless, the barrel throws the atski up and to the right, it is difficult to shoot aimingly, there have been delays in firing and more than once. In general, the personnel of this Cedar are not at all thrilled after the Kalash.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 19 September 2021 16: 14
          +4
          Quote: antikilller55
          automatic fire is practically useless, the barrel throws atski up and to the right, it is difficult to shoot aiming

          Powerful cartridge, low weight of the device. yes
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 20 September 2021 13: 40
            +1
            quality must be monitored and set DTK
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 19 September 2021 21: 45
          +4
          Quote: antikilller55
          When shooting singles at a distance of 25 meters, it is very accurate, automatic fire is practically useless, the barrel throws atski up and to the right, it is difficult to shoot aimingly, there were delays during shooting and more than one-time. In general, the personnel of this Cedar are not at all thrilled after the Kalash.
          So it is, in bursts it drags up and to the right. Beats very well with singles yes
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 September 2021 16: 20
            +1
            Such a big pistol. Not a machine gun. )))
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 20 September 2021 17: 04
              +2
              Quote: Alex777
              Such a big pistol. Not a machine gun. )))

              Duc in the know, they shot, we know))) hi
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 20 September 2021 17: 40
                +1
                How do you assess PPK-20?
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 20 September 2021 17: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex777
                  How do you assess PPK-20?

                  Not how, due to the fact that he is not close to him and the PPK-20 was never fired request
  5. starpur
    starpur 19 September 2021 08: 27
    +1
    Author, specify the rate of fire. 1000 rounds per second, laser ...
  6. Understanding
    Understanding 19 September 2021 08: 50
    +1
    We call the rearrangement of an outdated PCB a new development ... Nonsense.
  7. K-50
    K-50 19 September 2021 08: 52
    +6
    unloaded weight - 1,8 kg, weight with cartridges - 1,85 kg

    That only fifty grams of cartridges were "poured"? belay lol
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 September 2021 10: 23
      +2
      weight without cartridges - 1,8 kg, weight with cartridges - 1,85 kg
      It looks like a typo, 50 grams is 5-6 rounds 9 * 19.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 September 2021 18: 58
        +1
        I don’t remember how 9x19! The 9x18 cartridge weighs 11 grams. More precisely, from 10,7 to 11,6, depending on the bullet (with or without a core).
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 20 September 2021 03: 33
          +1
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          I don’t remember how 9x19!

          From 9 gr. with a high-speed armor-piercing bullet up to 13 with a classic one.
  8. Konnick
    Konnick 19 September 2021 10: 14
    +3
    It is necessary to work more closely with submachine guns, the time of the Sturmgevers is running out. A submachine gun is a personal weapon of a soldier armed with a primary precision weapon with optics. Modern tactics of combat are at odds with the performance characteristics of an assault rifle, namely, rifle accuracy and range with the rate of fire of a submachine gun cannot be particularly combined. Sturmgever was once created as an ersatz weapon to replace a machine gun and a carbine. Modern technologies can make it possible to equip each soldier with a complex consisting of a rifle with optics, even for an intermediate cartridge, such as a Bars hunting carbine and a submachine gun, with a total weight of no more than the weight of an AK. Moreover, a submachine gun can be used to arm those units that just need a compact weapon. In principle, the role of a modern infantryman should be reduced more to reconnaissance and target designation, and not directly to participation in combat with visual contact. By the way, the term assault rifle does not apply to assault, this type of weapon was named after the first model of such a weapon - the assault rifle, Hitler just liked the loud and beautiful names ...
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 September 2021 19: 05
      +2
      91 are primarily police weapons and not military weapons. The folding PP-90 was sharpened for military needs. For special ones - Cypress and Bison.
      To be honest, my opinion is the best PP in Russia is the shortened Shaft for 9mm low-noise Vortex cartridge. They are the ones who need to arm the aircrews. In terms of the power of ammunition, it is second only to Gyurza. The sound of the shot is lower than that of Cypress.
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 20 September 2021 05: 54
        +1
        And there is also * Heather * chambered for * Gyurza * 9 * 21! very decent thing!
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 20 September 2021 03: 28
      +2
      Quote: Konnick
      A submachine gun is a personal weapon of a fighter armed with a primary precision weapon with optics.

      Like the 93rd Beretta? Otherwise heavy.

      Quote: Konnick
      Moreover, a submachine gun can be used to arm those units that just need a compact weapon.
      Not a pistol cartridge! The concept of "personal defensive weapons" was not invented by fools, and there is no pistol cartridge.
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  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 19 September 2021 10: 18
    +1
    Under Luger now already. I hope the machine will be worthy
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  12. faterdom
    faterdom 19 September 2021 10: 30
    +6
    Quote: Okolotochny
    FSIN special forces ran with them, there was also Cypress and PP-90. Now I do not know.

    PP-90 is generally something essentially handicraft, like medieval muskets. A neighbor's store may not suit you, each is assigned a locksmith only for his PP. Or it might get stuck. Unfolding this "chair leg" in which case it is also not very quick, that is, when folded, this weapon is as combat-ready as a disassembled hunting rifle in a case. Thank God, this perversion of design thought and technological masterpiece did not last long in service, and the Stechkins were not allowed to be melted down at that time.
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 19 September 2021 11: 56
      +3
      With the PP-90, yes, the attempt did not work. But there was a PPP, made literally on the knee during the Second World War, and nevertheless the best PP of the entire war.
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 19 September 2021 12: 31
        +4
        On the knee during the war - this is understandable. And on my knee when spaceships ply ...
        1. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 19 September 2021 12: 50
          +2
          Then only Fau plowed ...
          And now there are a lot of alternatives for the most diverse PCBs assembled in Russia.
  13. gorenina91
    gorenina91 19 September 2021 11: 58
    +5
    - Yes, the coolest is the AK-9; shoots 9x39 cartridges ... - They can arm cosmonauts too ... - if they suddenly land somewhere in the taiga, they can at least "overwhelm" a bear or a moose from it ... - Personally, I have had to shoot from it - wonderful weapons ... - And why is the AK-9 machine gun suddenly "pushed into the background" ???
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 19 September 2021 13: 31
      +3
      Quote: gorenina91
      And why is the AK-9 assault rifle suddenly "pushed into the background" ???

      Instead, now AMB-17 (Based on the Dragunov assault rifle)
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 19 September 2021 12: 32
    0
    Is ZMZ still working? I really thought everyone there fled for a long time ...
  15. czes
    czes 19 September 2021 13: 03
    +1
    The stock folds upward - you can't put any optics. 9x19 - good.
  16. NAIL77DM
    NAIL77DM 19 September 2021 19: 02
    +1
    they wrote about this back in the early 90s, but now why cut the old information
  17. Oleg Bistrov
    Oleg Bistrov 21 September 2021 07: 42
    0
    At one time we received the Cedars, naturally all the "old men" of AKSU aside. The magazine change button on the left side, there were cases of loss of the magazine when getting into the car, excessive rate of fire with a small magazine capacity, low weight, which, in principle, is convenient for hidden and long wearing. The accuracy of the battle is excellent, 200 meters overkill, 50 meters in the city. But, weight? They began to take AKSU again, in hand-to-hand combat, weight matters! And so not bad for the police!