In Zlatoust developed a submachine gun to replace the PP-91 "Kedr"

Special forces units of law enforcement agencies will soon receive the new KEDR-PARA submachine gun. The novelty was developed in Zlatoust and is already entering the stage of state tests.

The submachine gun was developed on its own initiative by the Zlatoust Machine-Building Plant to replace the PP-91 Kedr submachine gun currently in service with security officials. This August this weapon has already been successfully tested in the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, following the results of tests, some changes were made to the design regarding the installation of Picatinny rails. State tests of the new submachine gun are scheduled for early 2022.

As the name implies, the PP "Kedr-PARA" was created on the basis of the PP-91 "Kedr" submachine gun. The new weapon uses a 9X19 mm cartridge. The submachine gun is designed for close combat in urban environments.

"KEDR-PARA" PP-2011.000 (...) was developed for the 9x19 caliber cartridge and should replace the PP-91 "Kedr" submachine gun currently in service with law enforcement agencies

- leads RIA News the words of the head of the small arms sales bureau of JSC "Zlatmash" Vadim Astashin.

On the official website of "Zlatmash" the following tactical and technical characteristics of PP Kedr-PARA are given: caliber - 9 mm, cartridge - 9x19, total length with butt - 540 mm, total length without butt - 312 mm, weight without cartridges - 1,8 kg, weight with cartridges - 1,85 kg, magazine capacity - 20 and 30 cartridges, sighting range - up to 200 meters, rate of fire - 800-1000 rpm.

Let's remind that PP-91 "Kedr" (Design by Evgeny Dragunov) was developed in the early 90s by order of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. The weapon is in service with many law enforcement agencies, incl. in the divisions of the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

PP-91 of the last years of production were of very low quality. At the shooting range, out of 10, 3 had firing delays, of which two had the receiver torn off, and one had a skewed cartridge. Compared to the oldies of the 90s, it's sad.
To be honest, it would be better to finish the Bizon - Vityaz in the form of a PP-20 Kalashnikov, or even better, they would return the Cypress. Simple, not killing, easy.

[raw174]

The Knight, of course, is a much better machine, more useful, for me personally ...

[Split]

Shot from a cedar when he was just accepted ... at 94 ... a wonderful machine for those times But I was 13 years old and my father was the deputy head of the Department of Internal Affairs And this was the first automatic

[Barberry25]

no one is insured against marriage, especially if the production specifications are violated, and other enterprises do Vityaz and Cypress ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.

For grannies and students - the very thing.

Insanity seems to grow stronger in the heads of a number of members of the forum. Slogans at the level of Hali-Laiki have been killing lately on the pages of VO.
I can sincerely assure you that no old woman has suffered from PP-91 for twenty-five years of operation !!!

Seriously? Proofs?

If you do not agree, then try to refute the facts - Proofs !?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.

For grannies and students - the very thing.

Any entertainment of yours?

[sergo1914]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The cartridge was changed. More powerful. Demands of the time.

For grannies and students - the very thing.

Any entertainment of yours?

Mine did not understand yours.

[seregatara1969]

Something I do not understand TTX. The weight of 20 rounds is 50 grams? So it is indicated in the article

[riwas]

In the photo, the "Cedar" looks like a muffler. The experience of the war in the Caucasus in settlements has shown the advantage of the same Vintorez. The militants could not detect where the fire was coming from.

[Evil543]

Pbs is a good thing, especially when they start to clean up from the last one going.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: riwas

The experience of the war in the Caucasus in settlements has shown the advantage of the same "Vintorez"

The aiming ranges of "Vint" and "Cedar" are incomparable.

[Barberry25]

This is a photo from the network, because. only the cartridge has changed - visually, the weapon will not change ..

[serg.shishkov2015]

In 2004 I had a chance to hold * Cedar * in my hands! Whisper! I didn't want to give it away! Ideal for me according to anthropometric data! But the APS turned out to be too big for my brush! It was uncomfortable to hold with one hand. Abydna! legendary weapon!

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

But the APS turned out to be too big for my brush! It was uncomfortable to hold with one hand. Abydna!

real guys don't hold weapons with one hand.

[serg.shishkov2015]

I held the APS with both hands! and I am a civilian, peaceful person! under my diploma, teachers of biology and chemistry in the military registration and enlistment office of the VUS could not find!

[Split]

And I was 94, only 1 copy was sent to the OVD, I was 13 years old and I was one of the first to shoot from it. Father is the deputy of the internal affairs department, although in principle, according to my comments, it is enough to find out where it was ... including a dart

[Barberry25]

and also the APS has no butt ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barberry25

and also the APS has no butt ...

[Barberry25]

we are talking about a normal folding stock, and not about a removable ersatz .. Or do we really have someone for combat wear a wooden holster or a bent crowbar, so that if something happens, get the weapon out of the holster, get the removable stock, install it and then use it?

[va3610]

You are confusing a warm for a soft, APS pistol, not a submachine gun.

[Barberry25]

I mean that automatic pistols a la APS-go into oblivion due to their inefficiency in comparison with a full-fledged pistol-type PP a la Kashtan, Buk, PP-2000 due to the fact that they have a normal folding stock .. i I do not exclude that, in theory, the APS could acquire a folding butt, but this is the same as talking about TT in the key of the Baltic

[serg.shishkov2015]

And the APS also has 40-round clips! my nasyalnika held such in his hands! and there are photos on the network!

[Barberry25]

and? the PP-2000 has a 44-round magazine ... and a regular, and not a rare version ... the problem is that now there are already a lot of GOOD and modern options, this was before the APS compared to the PM or TT was a wunderwolf ... now it is morally outdated

[serg.shishkov2015]

And I don't argue with that! There is a choice! I know about shops for PP-2000! But of all the PPs, I like * Heather * the most! Complete with * Gyurza *! good for one cartridge - SP-10, 9 * 21. Kevlar NATO helmet * Gyurza * from 50 meters punches right through! and there is * Chestnut *, which, when firing bursts in the center of the target, breaks out a hole - such is the accuracy!

[Ross xnumx]

Technically and beautifully. This was not the case before.
This is correct when spetsnaz units are armed with better weapons than those against whom they are used. Let the assessment be given by experts who held such a weapon in their hands - there is something to compare with.

[carstorm 11]

It is not the special forces that run with the cedars. Even the teaching staff carries them. Yes, and in my opinion, they too have incasators. And the non-household also had them in the order.

[Okolotochny]

FSIN special forces ran with them, there was also Cypress and PP-90. Now I do not know.

[Split]

Here's a jump in the last 10 years ... not 1 pps, I have not seen the collection with cedars, the current is 1 time in the year 16 ... all polls with ksenia. I'm working right now in the GCSS, of course I can look at what armaments are worth ... yes, I didn't seem to sign anything, but I won't look

[antikilller55]

And the non-departmental one also had them in the order.

Our battalion was also rearmed in 2016 from an ax-74u to pp-91 Kedr. Yes, it is light and in a car it is more convenient and more convenient to run with it, but the quality is so poor, the store was attached with an elastic band to the trigger bracket so that it would not spontaneously fall out, and the problem was officially recognized by the commanders and I received the rubber band along with the weapon in the gun and I was responsible checked it. They also wrapped a plastic plug on the bottom of the pistol grip with black electrical tape, because it also tended to fall off and get lost, buying it is a problem. When firing singles at a distance of 25 meters, it is very accurate, automatic fire is practically useless, the barrel throws the atski up and to the right, it is difficult to shoot aimingly, there have been delays in firing and more than once. In general, the personnel of this Cedar are not at all thrilled after the Kalash.

[Alex777]

Quote: antikilller55

automatic fire is practically useless, the barrel throws atski up and to the right, it is difficult to shoot aiming

Powerful cartridge, low weight of the device.

[Barberry25]

quality must be monitored and set DTK

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: antikilller55

When shooting singles at a distance of 25 meters, it is very accurate, automatic fire is practically useless, the barrel throws atski up and to the right, it is difficult to shoot aimingly, there were delays during shooting and more than one-time. In general, the personnel of this Cedar are not at all thrilled after the Kalash.

So it is, in bursts it drags up and to the right. Beats very well with singles

[Alex777]

Such a big pistol. Not a machine gun. )))

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alex777

Such a big pistol. Not a machine gun. )))

Duc in the know, they shot, we know)))

[Alex777]

How do you assess PPK-20?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alex777

How do you assess PPK-20?

Not how, due to the fact that he is not close to him and the PPK-20 was never fired

[starpur]

Author, specify the rate of fire. 1000 rounds per second, laser ...

[Understanding]

We call the rearrangement of an outdated PCB a new development ... Nonsense.

[K-50]

unloaded weight - 1,8 kg, weight with cartridges - 1,85 kg

That only fifty grams of cartridges were "poured"?

[Vladimir_2U]

weight without cartridges - 1,8 kg, weight with cartridges - 1,85 kg

It looks like a typo, 50 grams is 5-6 rounds 9 * 19.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

I don’t remember how 9x19! The 9x18 cartridge weighs 11 grams. More precisely, from 10,7 to 11,6, depending on the bullet (with or without a core).

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

I don’t remember how 9x19!

From 9 gr. with a high-speed armor-piercing bullet up to 13 with a classic one.

[Konnick]

It is necessary to work more closely with submachine guns, the time of the Sturmgevers is running out. A submachine gun is a personal weapon of a soldier armed with a primary precision weapon with optics. Modern tactics of combat are at odds with the performance characteristics of an assault rifle, namely, rifle accuracy and range with the rate of fire of a submachine gun cannot be particularly combined. Sturmgever was once created as an ersatz weapon to replace a machine gun and a carbine. Modern technologies can make it possible to equip each soldier with a complex consisting of a rifle with optics, even for an intermediate cartridge, such as a Bars hunting carbine and a submachine gun, with a total weight of no more than the weight of an AK. Moreover, a submachine gun can be used to arm those units that just need a compact weapon. In principle, the role of a modern infantryman should be reduced more to reconnaissance and target designation, and not directly to participation in combat with visual contact. By the way, the term assault rifle does not apply to assault, this type of weapon was named after the first model of such a weapon - the assault rifle, Hitler just liked the loud and beautiful names ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

91 are primarily police weapons and not military weapons. The folding PP-90 was sharpened for military needs. For special ones - Cypress and Bison.
To be honest, my opinion is the best PP in Russia is the shortened Shaft for 9mm low-noise Vortex cartridge. They are the ones who need to arm the aircrews. In terms of the power of ammunition, it is second only to Gyurza. The sound of the shot is lower than that of Cypress.

[serg.shishkov2015]

And there is also * Heather * chambered for * Gyurza * 9 * 21! very decent thing!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Konnick

A submachine gun is a personal weapon of a fighter armed with a primary precision weapon with optics.

Like the 93rd Beretta? Otherwise heavy.

Quote: Konnick

Moreover, a submachine gun can be used to arm those units that just need a compact weapon.

Not a pistol cartridge! The concept of "personal defensive weapons" was not invented by fools, and there is no pistol cartridge.

[Sands Careers General]

Under Luger now already. I hope the machine will be worthy

[faterdom]

Quote: Okolotochny

FSIN special forces ran with them, there was also Cypress and PP-90. Now I do not know.

PP-90 is generally something essentially handicraft, like medieval muskets. A neighbor's store may not suit you, each is assigned a locksmith only for his PP. Or it might get stuck. Unfolding this "chair leg" in which case it is also not very quick, that is, when folded, this weapon is as combat-ready as a disassembled hunting rifle in a case. Thank God, this perversion of design thought and technological masterpiece did not last long in service, and the Stechkins were not allowed to be melted down at that time.

[Sands Careers General]

With the PP-90, yes, the attempt did not work. But there was a PPP, made literally on the knee during the Second World War, and nevertheless the best PP of the entire war.

[faterdom]

On the knee during the war - this is understandable. And on my knee when spaceships ply ...

[Sands Careers General]

Then only Fau plowed ...
And now there are a lot of alternatives for the most diverse PCBs assembled in Russia.

[gorenina91]

- Yes, the coolest is the AK-9; shoots 9x39 cartridges ... - They can arm cosmonauts too ... - if they suddenly land somewhere in the taiga, they can at least "overwhelm" a bear or a moose from it ... - Personally, I have had to shoot from it - wonderful weapons ... - And why is the AK-9 machine gun suddenly "pushed into the background" ???

[Bad_gr]

Quote: gorenina91

And why is the AK-9 assault rifle suddenly "pushed into the background" ???

Instead, now AMB-17 (Based on the Dragunov assault rifle)

[Dzafdet]

Is ZMZ still working? I really thought everyone there fled for a long time ...

[czes]

The stock folds upward - you can't put any optics. 9x19 - good.

[NAIL77DM]

they wrote about this back in the early 90s, but now why cut the old information

[Oleg Bistrov]

At one time we received the Cedars, naturally all the "old men" of AKSU aside. The magazine change button on the left side, there were cases of loss of the magazine when getting into the car, excessive rate of fire with a small magazine capacity, low weight, which, in principle, is convenient for hidden and long wearing. The accuracy of the battle is excellent, 200 meters overkill, 50 meters in the city. But, weight? They began to take AKSU again, in hand-to-hand combat, weight matters! And so not bad for the police!