Development of an ultra-long-range large-caliber sniper rifle has begun in Russia

A new ultra-long-range large-caliber rifle for engaging targets at a distance of 2,5-3 km is being created in Russia. Development of a new weapons deals with the company "Promtechnology" (ORSIS).

As told RIA News chief designer Maxim Baymetov, the new rifle is being created for the universal NATO cartridge .50 BMG (Browning Machine Gun 12,7 × 99 mm), tests of a prototype large-caliber rifle should start at the beginning of next year. The weapon is primarily focused on the foreign market, but Russian law enforcement agencies are already interested in it.

Baymetov did not give any details of the development, only emphasized that the rifle would be able to shoot at a record 2,5-3 km. According to him, it will not be a rifle for setting records, but a real military weapon used on a regular basis.

Our stated parameters assume that snipers will be able to hit targets at a distance of about 2,5 kilometers with accurate shooting, and this will be the rule, not the exception. Today in Russia, no one produces military weapons of this class.

- he added.

The Promtechnology company (ORSIS brand) is the developer and manufacturer of the ORSIS T-5000 high-precision rifle, on the basis of which the Tochnost sniper complex was created. Rifles from this manufacturer are created with barrels obtained by the trellis planing method on CNC machines. The value of the tolerances in the depth of the rifling of the barrel is less than 0,0025 mm, and in the pitch of the rifling - about 0,004 mm per 1 m. This is one of the most accurate methods for creating small arms barrels.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Enemies will be supplied with super rifles ... Does the Defense Ministry not buy in Russia? Ambiguous attitude to this news.

[Flooding]

new modern weapons are great
and let the private traders do it
but the state would not hurt to attend to the development of promising ammunition and the quality of production of cartridges used.

[Pereira]

For a private trader, the risk is too great that the Ministry of Defense will promise, but will not buy.

[Flooding]

Quote: Pereira

For a private trader, the risk is too great that the Ministry of Defense will promise, but will not buy.

ammunition is too important and expensive to give to a private trader
the state needs to move to address this issue

[KCA]

ORSIS buys, not in thousands, of course, this is a piece product, but there is open data

[210ox]

ORSIS buys not only cartridges, but also semi-finished products for barrels (and that's just what I know). They are entirely import. Unfortunately

[Deck]

ORSIS buys not only cartridges, but also semi-finished products for barrels (and that's just what I know). They are entirely import. Unfortunately

You have the wrong information, they released the locks and trigger themselves. by purchasing a license from the American company Farley. So don't be sorry.

[210ox]

Yes, only from steel purchased over the hill. What not to regret? That the Russian company that makes weapons for our security forces is entirely dependent on the whims of the enemy?

[Deck]

It is necessary to regret that metallurgy fell into the hands of businessmen Mordashev and Lisitsa and now cannot provide a sufficient range and stable quality of low-alloy steels. Stainless steel 416C for the barrel and 17-4 for the shutter are not so hot what complex creations of metallurgical thought

[Zaurbek]

They are bought by those who need it ... ... this is a piece production with corresponding prices ... and, as a rule, they buy in the West either a ready-made barrel, or a pipe with grooves, or a pipe without grooves ... they use ready-made USM of famous brands. The army in 99,9% does not need such rifles.

[KCA]

So Labaev has an advantage, he bought the machines, he pulls the barrels himself, what kind of trigger of famous brands do single-shot rifles have? Name, plz

[Zaurbek]

As far as I heard, no one pulls the trunks ..... maximum they buy a workpiece and drill.

[KCA]

Have a machine, but no workpieces? Nice, but what is AK drilled from? And the barrels of the guns? Choi something Soviet / Russian AK is considered the best in the world? Or do they not sell the blanks to anyone, such as not enough themselves?

[Zaurbek]

What can we do, and what is the problem. For example, they wrote that 125mm 2A82 cannot be mass-produced precisely because of the large number of rejects of blanks ..., and 2A46 is mass-produced. Probably the same issue with the Coalition trunks ... high parameters, require high parameters of the trunk.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: KCA

Have a machine, but no workpieces? Adorable

I read that Lobaev also buys blanks for trunks in America. It was said that ours can make such metal, but they take up this business if the order is large, it is not profitable for them to do small. As a result, our barrel blanks are bought abroad.
If anything has changed in this matter, correct it.

[Undecim]

ORSIS buys barrel blanks from the USA. Drill and cut yourself.

[Deck]

"Blank" is a blank with a hole and grooves of the desired profile. The barrel can be machined from the outside (barrel contour). Orsis drills and cuts trunks on equipment from the American company Bartlein.

[SKVichyakow]

Billets for barrels are purchased in the West, so the Ministry of Defense does not buy them. Or maybe bribes do not "drip" from this.

[rocket757]

And what, something can be fundamentally new to create / receive without fundamentally changing the technique / technology?
I just want to say ... we are waiting for the product on new, NOT KNOWN PRINCIPLES !!!

[your1970]

Quote: rocket757

And what, something can be fundamentally new to create / receive without fundamentally changing the technique / technology?
I just want to say ... we are waiting for the product on new, NOT KNOWN PRINCIPLES !!!

As my battery commander said - "The best sniper rifle is the 2S3! And the division is better ...."

[rocket757]

So the soldier's, trench wisdom, more than one loud, pretentious statement brought into question, and even under ... the "monastery"!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

2C1 is good too, but 2C3 is definitely the best!

[Zaurbek]

Well, we need to compare the cost of a gun + ammunition + a trained sniper + equipment + the weight of all this and some kind of ATGM of not very large caliber. + A trained operator.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

No need to compare. There are small arms capable of solving problems at distances of up to 2 km approximately, and even a little further, this is an AGS.

[Zaurbek]

There is also an ATGM ... with a range of up to 3 km ... and they are comparable in weight to such a rifle. This bandura is not for concealed carry and long hikes in the mountains. There are ATGMs that do not explode, but the blades are released.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

ATGMs, after all, are expensive, and the tape released from the AGS, although not free, is incomparably cheaper. For the 40-mm "Balkan" they generally promised a grenade with remote detonation.

[Zaurbek]

The rifle is expensive, the barrel is expensive, the cartridges are special ... to train a sniper longer than an operator. On BMP now advertise 60mm ATGM "Bulat" .... mini Cornet

[Nafanya from the sofa]

At 2.5 km, the bullet will fly from 2 to 2.5 seconds. A person can walk 1.5-2 meters during this time. And how the shooter is about to hit something moving. This is all for shooting at fixed targets. (Just don’t talk about an American who SAYS that he knocked two people down at such a distance).

[Cananecat]

To do this, snipers are taught various disciplines, ballistics, for example ...

[Nafanya from the sofa]

To do this, snipers are taught various disciplines.

Is stopping time and target hypnosis also included in the curriculum?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

At 2.5 km, the bullet will fly from 2 to 2.5 seconds. A person can walk 1.5-2 meters during this time

The muzzle velocity of a bullet 12,7 * 99 is 850 m / s, the bullet will fly a distance of 2,5 km in 7 seconds.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Muzzle velocity 12,7 * 99 is 850 m / s

It depends on which trunk. Orsis promises a superpuper, so I took into account from 1000 to 1500 m / s, which is theoretically acceptable for a rifled barrel.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

It depends on which trunk. Orsis promises a superpuper, so I took into account from 1000 to 1500 m / s, which is theoretically acceptable for a rifled barrel.

No super-duper barrel will accelerate a bullet from a 12,7 * 99 cartridge to a speed of even 1000 m / s. To do this, it is necessary to increase the amount of powder in the cartridge case. For example, a 7,62 * 51 bullet has an initial velocity of 840 m / s with a powder sample of 3,1 grams, a 7,62 * 67 bullet has an initial bullet velocity of 1000 m / s with a powder sample of 5 grams. If the standard cartridge 12,7 * 99 has 16 g of powder, then for the bullet to have an initial velocity of 1000 m / s, you need to have approximately 26 grams of powder in the sleeve. The 14,5 * 114 cartridge has about 30 grams of gunpowder, and this charge accelerates a 64-gram bullet to a speed of 1000 m / s.

[Vadim237]

Or change the gunpowder to more high-energy ones, but at the same time you will have to strengthen the case with the help of more durable materials.

[Deck]

For 50 BMG, slow-burning gunpowder is used, and to disperse the bullet to 100 m / s, the volume of the sleeve is simply not enough. Using faster propellants will explode the barrel with very high pressure. And in any case, the barrel will burn out from a dozen shots.

[thekhohol]

A person walks at a speed of 1.5 m / s.

[Deck]

the new rifle is being created for the universal NATO cartridge .50 BMG

With this cartridge for 1 km you can only get into the barn. Where will the creators of this get high-precision cartridges, and especially bullets?

[Zaurbek]

There is not "this cartridge" ... but a special sniper.

[Deck]

Dear Zaurbek, the 50BMG cartridge cannot shoot accurately even for the Americans who have been working on this for thirty years. And there are a lot of rifles from different manufacturers for this cartridge, but they are only sniper in the movies. It is not for nothing that 338LM and 408ST are adopted

[Zaurbek]

I've heard about it. ... But the article is about what?

[aybolyt678]

photo of apparently another rifle. At this distance, the sight should be howitzer, from the side. Barrel overlaps aiming line

[Nikolaevich I]

That's it ! Now it is clear what kind of guns we are talking about! And then, after reading the title, I wanted to exclaim in the first second: "Shaw, again!?" Well, at worst ... SP-10!

[yfast]

Conveniently, we will fight on NATO territory with its own cartridges. It remains to decide what to fight until then.

[hohol95]

His cartridges were gone.
Only from NATA fit?
And continue to fly?
And are they induced by themselves?

[Zaurbek]

here are not gross cartridges, but sniper cartridges ... and in such rifles, the snipers themselves prepare cartridges: bullet weight, gunpowder weight, bullet drowning in a cartridge case, etc. In the division they have their own kitchenette with equipment. I read somewhere that bullets are not poured, but are sharpened for long-range shooting.

[hohol95]

So it is indicated - under the patronage of NATO ...
And not a "homemade" game from a hunting goods store. Capsule, cardboard sleeve and so on ...

[Zaurbek]

In terms of dimensions, this is the NATO cartridge and with 7,62x51 the same song ... there is a 7,62x51 machine gun, there is for factory sniper rifles, there is for high-precision and sports shooting ...

[Kot_Kuzya]

... the rifle will be able to shoot at a record 2,5-3 km

Of course it can shoot at such a distance, but can it hit? Shooting and hitting are slightly different things.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You don't need to shoot at such a distance from a rifle, at such a distance you need to throw 30-40mm grenades from an AGS.

[APASUS]

chief designer Maxim Baymetov, the new rifle is being created for the universal NATO cartridge .50 BMG (Browning Machine Gun 12,7 × 99 mm),

I wonder why our company creates weapons that initially cannot be used by our Armed Forces?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The cartridge is produced by the Tula Cartridge Plant.

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The cartridge is produced by the Tula Cartridge Plant.

It turns out that the cartridge created in the 20s for the Browning M1921 machine gun will be used for a modern long-range sniper rifle?

[JD1979]

No, well, the 50th caliber has a theoretical range of up to 4 km, so you can write about the creation of a rifle with a range of up to 3,999 km)). Well, as a matter of fact, the specialist behind the butt for the declared range should be super-duper-extra-class. Something seems to me 90% of snipers at such a distance will not hit either the first or the tenth time, well, perhaps in ideal weather conditions with complete calm and zero elevation difference. So the sales market will be well, very limited, and the price is accordingly very high, plus match cartridges ... plus time and money for training the shooter, and all this absolutely does not guarantee hitting the target with 1-2 shots, and it’s hardly enough for more. time if the goal is "not a clinical case".

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The statements about the 2,5 km shooting are just a publicity stunt. Most likely, it is intended to be used at shorter distances.

[AAC]

For sale. Commercial enterprise. I sold more, earned more. The staff needs to be fed.
As far as I remember, the group of companies includes three cartridge factories. Therefore, they did not sink at all to rivet cartridges for their rifle. Apparently the gunsmiths came to the conclusion that this cartridge is the most suitable.

[Two]

Will there be TsUKovsky ammunition too? Or will they be the usual thrashing?

[Undecim]

Rifles from this manufacturer are created with barrels obtained using the trellis planing method on CNC machines.

In Russian it is called hook trellis gouging.

This is the oldest rifling technology, but, oddly enough, the most accurate.

[Izotovp]

An unmatched obsolete bolt ?!

[Zaurbek]

they make under any ... bolt there is a bolt.

[Alexfly]

Why are we gradually moving to NATO standards? But I’m wondering why all this is going on Soviet ammunition ...

[FANTASTRON1]

Today soldiers are slowly dressed in "armor" that can withstand a shot from an SVD from ten meters. We started testing the "armor" made of polyethylene fibers, which is even stronger. Why think of a large caliber yourself.

[KSVK]

Quote: KCA

Or do they not sell the blanks to anyone, such as not enough themselves?

We have an analogue of 418 steel from which the T5000 barrel is made. Just to get it, you need to order a batch of bar measured in tons. And the civilian market will not digest such a volume. Now, if there was a state order, but it is not. Concern Kalashnikov needs to sell its products. And by the way, Orsis makes trunks not only cut, but also drilled. The Orsis 120 is produced with a black bore barrel.

Quote: AlexFly

Why are we gradually moving to NATO standards? But I’m wondering why all this is going on Soviet ammunition ...

Soviet ammunition has one undoubted merit, it is cheap. But the exact manufacture of bullets and brass cases is not for domestic cartridge production. And the choice of the NATO fifty is with an eye to recoupment. The company is private. There will be orders from the warriors, there is no problem to deploy the chamber under our 12,7x108. Moreover, unlike the 7,62, the real 12,7 caliber coincides with the NATO .50.

[KSVK]

Baymetov did not give any details of the development, only emphasized that the rifle would be able to shoot at a record 2,5-3 km. According to him, it will not be a rifle for setting records, but a real military weapon used on a regular basis.

That's it. Caliber 12,7 is not about range / accuracy, but most likely about power. Range records are set, if my memory serves me right, 416 CheyTac Impruved with solid milled bullet.

[Nikolay Sayenko]

gaining experience and training personnel is not the last thing in the production of modern weapons! (Sori for the tautology )

[Old ensign]

The standard of large-caliber sniper rifles (12, 7 mm) are rifles from the "Barrett" company. What is the highlight of the Russian manufacturer? Make it initially worse than Barrett?

[Spkrdctr]

Barrett has been making precision 30 caliber rifles for 50 years. They are very expensive. Also, as others have said, they are rarely used and only applied in special situations. They are usually too large and heavy for daily use. 338 Lapua and 300 Winchester Magnum are two cartridges used by the US military every day. What might work for Russian production is if they can make it reliable, accurate, and cheaper than the Barrett. Then it will be sold in the West. Other 50 caliber rifles are simply too expensive.

[gorenina91]

Development of an ultra-long-range large-caliber sniper rifle has begun in Russia

A new ultra-long-range large-caliber rifle for engaging targets at a distance of 2,5-3 km is being created in Russia.

- Well, so ... - the MO has a similar weapon ... - why still develop something ...
- Personally, I am far from an expert in this field ... - but who or what can you get into from such a rifle at a distance of 2,5-3 km ???
- If it is impossible to get in ... - then why is she at all ??? - Here in tank biathlon they shoot from large-caliber machine guns ... - They shoot at targets that are at a relatively shorter distance ... - and they hit very badly ... - they just "shoot into the white light like a pretty penny" ...
- Of course ... - you can't compare a large-caliber sniper rifle with a large-caliber machine gun ... - but nevertheless ...
- So who (or what) to shoot with this ultra-long-range large-caliber sniper rifle to destroy the object ???
- Probably for light cheap UAVs (drones, etc.) in urban conditions, where it is dangerous to use more destructive weapons (so that people do not suffer) ... - But then you need completely different ammunition for such rifles ... - some kind of cartridges with explosive bullets; or ammunition, the bullets of which themselves are destroyed in a split second ... - in case of a miss ... - In any case - the costs for all this will be very huge ... - And what will be the result ??? - Is the "game worth the candle" ???

[riwas]

If you borrow the caliber, then .408. It is more optimal for long-range shooting, for our special forces. Lobaev has a rifle of this caliber.

[Boris Makarov]

"Weapons, first of all, are focused on the foreign market", which means that money does not smell and will begin to smack us out of the weapons we have produced ... it might be better right away, to relocate the entire defense industry and all design bureaus outside Russia , so the troops get from the "dead donkey ears", everything is exported