Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation named possible dates for the start of mass production of The Checkmate fighters

In our country, the issue of a possible purchase of the promising fighter The Checkmate, presented not so long ago at the aerospace show in the Moscow region, is being discussed at the highest level. In particular, statements on this issue were made at the Tyumen Oil and Gas Forum.

One of the discussed sides of the issue is whether to offer for export weapons that are not yet purchased for the needs of our own Armed Forces. If no contracts have been signed for the Russian Aerospace Forces for the supply of a promising new generation light fighter (Su-75), will foreign partners be ready to invest money in a Russian manufacturer to buy these combat vehicles?

This issue was discussed with the participation of the Deputy Prime Minister of the country Yuri Borisov. According to him, it is normal for potential foreign buyers to ask if Russia itself is going to adopt The Checkmate's Su-75 fighters, which it offers for export.

According to Yuri Borisov, who spoke out during the aforementioned forum, when considering plans for a new state armaments program (GPV), attention will be paid to the possible purchase of a new generation of single-engine fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces. Yuri Borisov noted that without such a purchase within the country, the export potential of The Checkmate will be significantly lower.

At the same time, the deputy head of the Russian Cabinet of Ministers noted that the establishment of mass production of this aircraft could take place by 2025-2026. And then he made an important remark - “if there is a demand”.

According to Borisov, if this does not happen, if there is no demand and, accordingly, the mass production of the Su-75, then Russia simply will not be able to enter the market of single-engine modern fighters, where the United States is already present and where China is trying to enter.

Deputy Prime Minister noted the spread of single-engine fighters in the world aviation, their relevance and broad prospects for combat use. If the Russian fighter has such a competitive advantage as the price against the background of advanced capabilities, then there is no doubt about its prospects in the domestic and world markets. However, so far everything is only in the future tense ...

Comments

[Nexcom]

Perhaps, probably, presumably ...

what a pity that everything is so vague and not specific. in the USSR they would have made a decision "today" and the work would have begun the day before yesterday.

[Runoway]

“If there is demand”.

Forgive the demand for what ?! Where does this demand come from, when, in fact, nothing but a layout, the moment-35 is not needed by anyone in fact, and they are about some kind of chess
News from the category of the Russia TV channel, as you do not turn it on, so we do not have the Russian Federation, but a prosperous Shambhala

[llsamsonll]

This is not a model, but a prototype, not yet flying, but not plywood either ...

[bayard]

Quote: llsamsonll

This is not a model, but a prototype, not yet flying, but not plywood either ...

This is exactly the layout. Not flying, not suitable for static tests. It is the layout. And photographs of his belly under the nozzle testify to this.
I have a question for the UAC and Rostec - is there a radar for the Su-57 "Belka" for sure? Works ?
Or, as suggested three years ago, launched into production with ... "Irbis"?
And for the MiG-35 radar with AFAR ready?
And what kind of engine is planned for this “chess player”?

I would be glad that they took up a light single-engine fighter ... but it looks like ...
Su-57 will be handed over at least a couple of units this year?
And will the Ulyanovsk plant be able to deliver at least one more Il-76MD90A before the end of this year? (Promised 6 pcs.)
These managers have failed everything they tried ... and again promises and farce ...
... No, there is no doubt that such an aircraft can be made ... but you can not do it.
And if you can not do ... then you can not do ...
And they won't.
Unless they promise something else.

The guarantor promised a lot ... and Rogozin ...
TRADITION ...

[alexmach]

MiG-35 is not needed by anyone in fact

Because it is outdated from birth, or at least looks like that. And this "stylish-fashion-youth"

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Runoway

Forgive the demand for what ?! Where does this demand come from, when, in fact, nothing but a layout, the moment-35 is not needed by anyone in fact, and they are about some kind of chess
News from the category of the Russia TV channel, as you do not turn it on, so we do not have the Russian Federation, but a prosperous Shambhala

Yeah, we have already played enough in Su-57, now they have come up with a new toy for the plebs.

[figwam]

Quote: Nexcom

the USSR would have made a decision "today"

In the USSR, he would have already flown.

[Nexcom]

that's what I meant in my very first message.

[Denis812]

Yes, yes, he would have already flown in the USSR, and also, I will remind you that the USSR collapsed.
Despite the indisputable achievements of the USSR, this state turned out to be unviable in the long term.
So it's better to let the planes build a little slower, but the Russian Federation is not falling apart.

[Vladimir_2U]

Can't you form a demonstration squadron as part of the Aerospace Forces?

[Cheshire]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Can't you form a demonstration squadron as part of the Aerospace Forces?

He's still a prototype, doesn't fly. What to form from?
To form, you need to teach how to fly, start making, start purchasing, along the way, teaching pilots and technicians.
Something like that.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Cheshire

He's still a prototype, doesn't fly. What to form from?

Answer this question:
Then, in principle, what was the point of rolling out a sample with fanfare at the air show if they could not sell it?
And I gave one of the possible answers to this question: If no contracts have been signed for the Russian Aerospace Forces for the supply of a promising new generation light fighter (Su-75), will foreign partners be ready to shell out money to a Russian manufacturer to buy these combat vehicles?

[Cheshire]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Answer this question:
Then, in principle, what was the point of rolling out a sample with fanfare at the air show if they could not sell it?

The answer is - the point is in PR and promotion.
And your thesis has long been no secret:

According to Yuri Borisov, who spoke out during the aforementioned forum, when considering plans for a new state armaments program (GPV), attention will be paid to the possible purchase of a new generation of single-engine fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces. Yuri Borisov noted that without such a purchase within the country, the export potential of The Checkmate will be significantly lower.

Have a nice day!

[alexmach]

Then, in principle, what was the point of rolling out a sample with fanfare at the air show if they could not sell it?

Advertising is the engine of commerce. If you do not roll out with fanfare, then all the more there will be no opportunity to sell.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: alexmach

Advertising is the engine of commerce. If you do not roll out with fanfare, then all the more there will be no opportunity to sell.

Well, the demo squadron is one of the weapons advertising moves, only at the state level.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: alexmach

Advertising is the engine of commerce. If you do not roll out with fanfare, then all the more there will be no opportunity to sell.

Purely Muslim option, sell what is not

[alexmach]

Purely Muslim option, sell what is not wassat

Not at all. This logic only works at the bazaar level. Any complex project begins, to one degree or another, with "sell something that is not yet available", without this long-term planning is impossible, and without it it is impossible to create and produce such complex systems.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: alexmach

This logic only works at the bazaar level.

Their / leaders have a bazaar logic, and if you have not yet understood this fact, then this is bad.

[Denis812]

Selling something that doesn't exist is completely normal.
Boeings, for example, sell planes only at the design stage.
When the project reaches a certain degree of certainty in terms of the characteristics of the future airplane.
They take Boeing sales of these performance characteristics and go to aviation companies with proposals.
And those, knowing that Boeing rarely messes up, can make a purchase decision in advance.
Without even seeing the plane.
Because there is Boeing's word, there are characteristics and there is risk inherent in the margin

Now, if our Sukhoi had the same image, there would already be a queue for a checkmate.
But. Since there is no such a grandiose image, you will have to loosen up a couple of dozen cars for yourself, drive them to all sorts of shows before you can sell.

[bayard]

Quote: Denis812

But. Since there is no such a grandiose image, you will have to loosen up a couple of dozen cars for yourself, drive them to all sorts of shows before you can sell

First, let the Su-57 be put into series production - in the declared configuration.
With multi-web radar AFAR "Belka".
And they will equip at least one regiment with them.
And believe me - doubts will disappear immediately. because it is easier to make a half of what has already been done, and such an opportunity is obvious.
In the meantime, the inability of the UAC to create and serial production of a new generation of aircraft is obvious.
Precisely - it is obvious.
Everyone.
Therefore, there is no queue.
But what was developed \ created \ debugged \ put into the troops during the union - they take it. Because they take what they have.
A country unable to resume production of even An-2 (!!!) and a conventional turboshaft engine for a light transport aircraft ... Ka-62 helicopters ... Ka-226 ... Ansat ... Mi-26 ... by the way, the same engines were installed on those several already built Mi-38s as on the Il-112 and Il-114 ...
This is import substitution .... why did they arrange this circus with a model?
No, they caught up with the intrigue really professionally ... and nothing ... but we are talking about MASS production in a FEW years !!!
Maybe this is how the covid works?
Or is the serum / vaccine miraculous?
Yesterday he promised to launch mass production of MC-21 this year ... Although he knew the day before yesterday that European partners refused to supply components ...
Generally refused.
After all, the year knew about it ... and continued to promise and name the dates ...
It is nonsense ?
Or chutzpah?

SHE ...

[Denis812]

I think the same thing and said.
That UAC finally learned to make beautiful presets and took normal marketers to work.
The only thing left is to learn how to make airplanes and so on, according to the promises of the management.

[Avior]

What about a prototype if it doesn't fly? A prototype is a functioning device.
If not functioning, it is a mock-up.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Can't you form a demonstration squadron as part of the Aerospace Forces?

You can, in the circle of model aircraft.

[rocket757]

Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation named possible dates for the start of mass production of The Checkmate fighters

... I can't understand why this empty, but not even empty chatter ??? Where did it come from and what, to whom does it give ???

[alexmach]

I can't understand why this empty, but not even empty chatter ??? Where did it come from and what, to whom does it give ???

I answered below. This is not just idle chatter. This is a business proposal.
He officially confirmed that production will be ready by that year, but only if there are orders for it. Preliminary negotiations on the production of aircraft in 2025 can begin now ...

[rocket757]

Quote: alexmach

Preliminary negotiations on aircraft production in 2025 can begin now

So they want to repeat the trick the Yankees did with the penguin?
Will they succeed? Both the stunt and the plane?
I wouldn't bet on this, even under the chic layouts .... by the way, it's annoying, but alas, I don't believe it.

[alexmach]

So they want to repeat the trick the Yankees did with the penguin?

Well, how would and why not?

Will they succeed? Both the stunt and the plane?

If you don't try it, you will definitely not succeed.

I would not bet on this, even under the chic layouts

Why shouldn't the plane work? There are developments in technologies for the SU-57. With the use of that groundwork, technically "assembling" another plane should not be a problem from the word at all. There is a competitive advantage - the price. It seems that there is also an adaptation to market demands.

Trick? Well, if it doesn't work out like this, then the second run can be done when there is a real flying demonstrator confirming the characteristics.

If it doesn't work out like this, the next step will be to contract it for its own aerospace forces, and not in the form of an exemplary squadron ...

Well, if, after all this, export sales still do not work out .. well, then it didn’t work, but we tried it seriously.

[rocket757]

Quote: alexmach

Trick? well, if it doesn't work out like this, then the second run can be done when there is a real flying demonstrator confirming the characteristics

Now, when flying, working specimens appear and at least some real plans for release, then we can talk about rates!
By the way, I'm not in doubt about technical problems ... the quickness of our leaders, planning, often leads to a stupor. Like this.

[rotmistr60]

Previously, officials, designers, managers of enterprises did not appear in the media every day, but went about their business. Today, deputy chairmen, heads of corporations, and some "employees" appear on TV every day and give interviews to various media outlets, showing their importance and competence. So maybe all the same it is more effective and more understandable for the people when information is given about the specific work done and the adoption of this or that equipment (which entered the troops)? And the "huge number of plans" does not have to be announced before they are fulfilled.

[Pessimist22]

The United States will not allow its vassals to buy, from China their planes, even if they buy a couple of pieces for analysis, with the Indians it is always incomprehensible, but who needs it even then, the banana republics?

[Alexander Kuznetsov]

So it was actually developed for the banana republics, 5th generation for an inexpensive one.

[Nexcom]

... that's if the Americans let the banana republics buy it. otherwise the conversation between the amers will be short: We have come to you to fight terrorism and help you create and develop democracy. And ffse. Many countries are still looking for such assistance.

[Gardamir]

Here is an excerpt from the site rules

f) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in comments to published articles is Russian. Unfortunately, speakers of other languages ​​often use them to sort things out with each other, while using obscene language;

So what is the name of this plane?
I am Russian by birth, in education, in culture, the merchant name is deeply disgusting

[askort154]

Gardamir .....I am Russian by birth, in education, in culture, the merchant name is deeply disgusting

The other day I brought up this topic here. I was "booed" - still ringing in my ears. "You know nothing about marketing" - they accused me.

[Cheshire]

Quote: askort154

The other day I brought up this topic here. I was "booed" - still ringing in my ears. "You know nothing about marketing" - they accused me.

Don't worry, there really are more "marketers" than specialists.
The time is

[Gardamir]

Alas, even #krymnash is marketing, not patriotism.

[askort154]

At the same time, the deputy head of the Russian Cabinet of Ministers noted that the establishment of mass production of this aircraft could take place by 2025-2026.

Storyteller Raise at least one specimen into the air by 2025.

[Professor]

According to Borisov, if this does not happen, if There will be no demand, and accordingly, there will be no mass production of the Su-75, then Russia simply will not be able to enter the market of single-engine modern fighters, where the United States is already present and where China is trying to enter.

A strange deputy prime minister. Usually, in order to start production, they check whether there is a demand for the corresponding product. And here is the "if". What does "if" mean? Will they set up production, invest billions, but there is no demand?

[alexmach]

A strange deputy prime minister. Usually, in order to start production, they check if there is a demand for the corresponding product.

You will not believe. This is exactly what he does. In plain text, he said "we will be ready for mass production by such a date, if you are interested now, get in the queue ... if there is no queue, then there will be no production, there will be only design work for now."

[Professor]

Quote: alexmach

"We will be ready for mass production by such a date, if you are interested now, get up in line ... if there is no queue, then there will be no production, there will be only design work for now."

Understood. Plants and production lines will be built for mass production, personnel will be hired and trained. Well, get ready. And then they will look at the demand and the hell will be fired and everything will be demolished. Did I understand correctly?

[alexmach]

No. What nonsense. In order to build line factories, a package of orders is needed, at least imported, at least some - if there is, then he named the time when they would be able to produce. If not, then there will be no line factories either. He spoke about it directly.

[vadsonen]

And here is the "if". What does "if" mean? Will they set up production, invest billions, but there is no demand?

Business like Putin. Maybe even for parades they will make a series of 10 pieces.

[Yuri V.A]

Brace yourself ... abroad will help us ... complete secrecy of deposits

[oldman.]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Can't you form a demonstration squadron as part of the Aerospace Forces?

What will she demonstrate? Layout?

[KCA]

SU-30MKI, T-90, which were not, from the word in general, in our army, and which appeared only after exporting many billions of dollars, about anything? And here, no one really needs the SU-75, right?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: KCA

SU-30MKI, T-90, which were not, from the word in general

An unfortunate example. The Su-30 is the modernized Su-27UB, the T-90 is the modernized T-72B. The cars are extremely successful, serial, one of the best in the class. On the basis of them, it is not a problem to make a modification for the customer. This is what they bought.

[KCA]

In general, all the aircraft are nothing more than the modernization of the aircraft of Mozhaisky and the Wright brothers, buy me a dozen of Mozhaisky aircraft, straight for a million dollars for each lady, a loan, but I will give

[p0pulivox]

Quote: rocket757

Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation named possible dates for the start of mass production of The Checkmate fighters

... I can't understand why this empty, but not even empty chatter ??? Where did it come from and what, to whom does it give ???

To our great regret, it seems that window dressing and eyewash in our country have surpassed their worst examples in previous historical periods. "Thirst is nothing, image is everything!" ...

[p0pulivox]

Quote: alexmach

I can't understand why this empty, but not even empty chatter ??? Where did it come from and what, to whom does it give ???

I answered below. This is not just idle chatter. This is a business proposal.
He officially confirmed that production will be ready by that year, but only if there are orders for it. Preliminary negotiations on the production of aircraft in 2025 can begin now ...

For a business proposal, this looks a little strange.

[Alexey Kurilov_4]

Why make fighters? The fighter itself has done an excellent job of exterminating us all over the world. And it looks like it won't calm down soon

[Aurel]

It was smooth on paper, if there were no ravines.

[Codett]

You cannot properly set up the production of the Su 57 and the engine of the second stage to it, as well as with the transport workers in general, it's complete .. but I wonder if he himself generally believes in what he says