Preparedness for war and cataclysms

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Preparedness for war and cataclysms

A reason for reflection

The past week was characterized by several events and reports in the Russian and world media, which prompted reflections on the prospects for the survival of mankind in general and the Russian population in particular in the event of war and / or other cataclysms.



We argue, and not on the basis of groundless fantasies or beliefs of the authorities that they are in control of the situation, but on the basis of facts and documents.

Sad news from last week


Emergencies Minister Yevgeny Zinichev died in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. According to the official version, the general of the army crashed on stones while trying to save the film director Alexander Melnik.

All other details of official messages, including on the official website of the Ministry of Emergencies, are not only contradictory, but also changed several times.

Despite a harsh veto for a fairly large number of witnesses, their testimonies have leaked and are actively discussed in online media and social networks.

We will not do this.

Just fixingthat General Zinichev, as a person, acted with dignity. Compassion and eternal memory!

This also applies to the director Alexander Melnik, who died with him., whose creativity also directly draws us to the problems of life and survival of people in extreme conditions.

Philosophical, universal, moral problems.

In general, the vast majority of catastrophes, from global to this specific local tragedy on the Putorana plateau, are associated precisely with human activity or inactivity.

In the epics of Miller, the epiphany of this:

In the film "New Earth" - a metaphorical diagnosis of modern mankind. In the painting "Territory" - the vaccination formula. And my own premonition of just such a death.

The prosecutor's office is dealing with the rest. The perpetrators will be appointed. Results and conclusions will not be made public. Or they will follow the official version, without analyzing the problems and proposals for their elimination.

And we will not discuss this either.

It is clear that our people extrapolate this event, as well as comments and fantasies, to other ministries and government bodies of the Russian Federation. And they draw conclusions. Which makes the situation even more strained on the eve of the elections.


Zinichev died while visiting one of the most beautiful places in the Krasnoyarsk Territory - the Putorana plateau, where the Kitabo-Oron waterfall is located.

And what if they immediately said that the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the director did not die during the exercises? Would this make death and a courageous act less courageous or not very tragic?

Our reading and thinking people have enough such reasons for reflection.

And how to convince people now:

• that the Ministry of Emergency Situations is in control of the situation;
• The Ministry of Emergency Situations knows what to do in any situation, and we know how to do it;
• Will the Emergencies Ministry promptly notify and save everyone?

Tellingly, in the domestic model of dealing with emergencies, the state guarantees that it will take care of the people through the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

The people, judging by his statements on social networks, very much doubt this.

Moreover, the Emergencies Ministry itself gives a reason.

To a quite reasonable question to Google or even Yandex:

"What should the population do in case of war?"

- the answers are not particularly different, which would be expected from conspiracy theories. American social networks have not yet reached the point of undermining the preparedness of the Russian population for disasters. But they are not going to help either.

In the first pages of the issue: stories about Ukraine, Afghanistan and even Belarus.

Why on earth?

I asked what an ordinary Russian citizen should do, if what? Naturally, I expected massive public service announcements or at least specific recommendations.

To no avail.

On the third page of the request, I saw at least some recommendation.

What if a war breaks out in your city?

Further literal quote:

Many do not know how to behave in such a situation, and panic begins to spread, as a result of which people take the wrong steps and become victims of shelling and shootings.
Learn more about what to do if the military events caught you by surprise.

1. If the shooting caught you in an open place, you need to immediately lie down on the ground and try to crawl behind the nearest shelter (car, trash can, corner of the house).

This can only be done if you are not directly in the line of fire.

You need to crawl tightly to the ground, using your legs alternately to push the body, and your hands to pull it up ...

Then there are three more pages of text.

Informative, but clearly not for our case.

The author eventually found the site of the Ministry of Emergencies.

In addition to tables and graphs describing the work of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, including in the part of civil defense, the site does indeed have infographics with recommendations for actions in critical conditions.

But a normal person in a critical situation is looking for an answer to the question "What to do?", And does not try to visit the website of the Ministry of Emergencies - this is a psychology that all network marketers understand.

But the main thing is that the state, through the mouth of the Ministry of Emergencies, declares that it will notify the population and tell them where to go or run and what to do.

Does she know if the situation is not typical?

Citizens are generally excluded from this process, and given the current media noise, they are also alarmed.

Who, where and when will provide the affected population with life support and social services, including drinking, feeding, shelter, temporary shelter, evacuation support, reunification and distribution of basic necessities?

So the conclusion is as follows: an information campaign for the survival of Russians in wartime and / or during disasters in the media space is not carried out or is carried out without understanding Internet technologies and the psychology of compatriots, so if money is spent on it, it’s money down the drain.

Doubters - "Yandex" to help.

Do you have a plan for life after salvation?

This means that officials, including those in charge of the Internet and those responsible for financing media and social advertising, apparently literally understood the president's statement about paradise for Russians. Therefore, preparation for survival, including not only life safety at school, but focused on most of the able-bodied, and even more so the elderly population, is not being conducted.

Or did someone personally feel this work?

Life after salvation


But the most important thing is how to live for people after being saved during a cataclysm or, even worse, during a war, with the inevitable subsequent ecological collapse as its consequence?

Is there life after salvation?

Why prepare for disaster?

A disaster can happen at any time, often without warning. Mass destruction can leave you cut off from the outside world for days. Rescuers will be arriving shortly to help in the aftermath of a disaster, but it may be a while before they can reach you. To survive and recover from a natural disaster, it is important to be prepared for any disaster and its long-term consequences.

Do you have a plan?

Having an emergency plan and a disaster coping kit can help overcome almost any type of crisis, whether natural or human-induced.

However, each type of event requires different preparation and action.

Nature is our mother


Natural disasters such as hurricanes, cyclones, floods, wildfires and weather events: Droughts and monsoons are likely to become more frequent due to climate change.

Natural disasters are impossible to prevent and for the most part impossible to control. Even if there is a quick recovery, natural disasters can have long-term consequences.

These events bring with them a host of challenges, including humanitarian crises, health, environmental and infrastructure challenges.

Examples

Natural disasters could be the result of global climate change.

As a reminder, just a few examples from recent months.

Abnormal heat in Russia and in the world

In June, the heat and high temperature took over the territory of the entire planet. A record hot June was in Canada and parts of the United States, with Hong Kong having the highest temperature on record (+36,3). In Russia, the temperature varied from region to region, exceeding the norm by 5-10 degrees.

Volcanic eruption in the Caspian Sea

In early July, an explosion occurred 75 km from Baku, which was initially mistaken for an eruption of underwater oil deposits. The Azerbaijani authorities denied the rumors, saying that in fact there was an eruption of a mud volcano. The Ministry of Emergency Situations clarifies that there is no threat to the oil and gas infrastructure.

Tornado in the Czech Republic

The natural disaster occurred on the evening of June 24th. Damage was inflicted on seven settlements. Up to 300 people were injured, six died. The strongest tornado in recent centuries has destroyed about 1 homes and infrastructure.

Showers in China

On July 17, the strongest downpours in a thousand years fell on the central territory of the country. Most of the Chinese province of Henan was under water, the subway and many buildings were flooded, 71 people died.

Floods in Europe


The flood caused by Cyclone Bernd was the largest in 100 years.

At least 228 people died: 182 in Germany, 42 in Belgium, 1 in Italy, 1 in Austria, 2 in Romania.

Showers and floods in the Kuban


On the territory of the Krasnodar Territory, as a result of heavy rains, they overflowed the banks of the Khorota and Matsesta rivers. Many houses were flooded, a storm warning was announced in the city. In Sochi and Lazarevskoye, tourists were forced to rest among the branches that brought waves during a storm.

Flood in the Khabarovsk Territory


At the end of July, due to prolonged precipitation, the water level in eight rivers of the Khabarovsk Territory increased significantly. The second wave of the flood came on August 3.

Earthquakes in Kamchatka


At the end of June, seismologists recorded three earthquakes off the eastern coast of Kamchatka. On July 14, an earthquake with a magnitude of 5,2 was recorded in the water area of ​​the Avacha Bay.

Fires in Yakutia


Forest fires began on the territory of the republic at the end of June. The smoke from the fires reached the territory of the United States, and because of the smog, residents stopped seeing the sun in the sky.

Summer Moscow floods


War


Even a local war ("Limited war", "small war" and "low-intensity conflict") is always accompanied and / or ends with disasters, including environmental ones.

Regional conflicts usually result in a ruined economy, hunger and poverty.

The social consequences of regional conflicts are expressed, first of all, in the deterioration of the social situation of the population.

The inevitable and dramatic consequence of regional conflicts is the forced migration of the population, the catastrophic growth of refugees. And this is a problem not only of refugees, but also of the host country.

A big war will inevitably lead to natural disasters, among which the nuclear winter will not be the only one, although it will give rise to others.

A full-scale nuclear war between the United States and Russia will lead to a dark and cold winter lasting about ten years.

Psychology

What kind of nuclear war - this cannot be? This is the opinion of the absolute majority of compatriots. But over the past 60 years, there have already been several well-known cases when this was more than a real prospect.

In the latest nuclear exodus model, the researchers used a new scheme to simulate, with a higher resolution and a higher limit of applicability - 140 kilometers above the surface, which is 60 kilometers higher than in the previously presented NASA model.

According to the study, fires caused by large-scale use of nuclear weaponswill emit 147 million tons of soot into the atmosphere, which, for several weeks, spreading stratospheric winds around the globe, blocking the sunlight.

Experts predict that it will take about seven years for the curtain to begin to noticeably clear, and another three years for the illumination indicators near the Earth's surface to return to normal levels.

In turn, the presence of a soot curtain will lead to a drop in the near-surface air temperature by more than eight degrees Celsius. As shown by the graphs presented in the study, at this level, the temperature anomaly will last about four years, and it will take about a decade to fully return the indicator to pre-war values.

In the latest available 2019 study, VTsIOM published a poll in which over 52% of Russians said they feared nuclear war.

According to the study, 33% of respondents "feel some anxiety" about a nuclear attack, another 14% are very worried about it, and 5% "feel constant fear."

At the same time, 46% of the respondents are not afraid of the onset of such a military conflict.

Half of the population with alarming symptoms is a lot.

And among the older generation, the expectation of war and cataclysms is aggravated by other anxieties and health problems.

Intense anxiety is accompanied by an increase in the blood stress hormones, adrenaline and cortisol. In addition, there is a chain of more subtle biochemical shifts in the body. In different people, chronic, pathological anxiety causes disruptions in the work of different organs according to the principle "where it is thin, there it breaks": which organ system is more vulnerable.

Moreover, the human brain is able to imagine the worst that can happen. And the more uncertainty - especially if that uncertainty is combined with dark hypotheses - the more likely the brain is to invent and fix worst-case scenarios.

Understanding the reality of threats and preparing them (even by stockpiling buckwheat and stewed meat) creates the illusion of some control of the situation.

And having an answer or an available reliable and convincing source of information gives people a sense of control, and in a way, it's better than insecurity.

The American government proposes to conduct an annual September “months of damage control” to partially solve this problem.

What about Russia?

Paradise or are there other options?


“We will go to paradise, and they will simply die” - these are the words Vladimir Putin said about the scenario of a possible nuclear war. Even if it was the specific humor of the Russian president, it is obvious that nuclear scenarios are increasingly appearing in the minds of people in the XNUMXst century, an era of strategic instability, collapsed arms control regimes.

I will remind you President of Russian Federation:

- determines the main directions of a unified state policy in the field of civil defense;

- approves the Plan of Civil Defense and Protection of the Population of the Russian Federation;

- introduces the plan of civil defense and protection of the population of the Russian Federation on the territory of the Russian Federation or in its individual localities in full or in part;

- approves the structure, composition of the rescue military formations of the federal executive body authorized to solve tasks in the field of civil defense, the staffing of military personnel and civilian personnel of these military formations and the regulation on rescue military formations of the federal executive body authorized to solve tasks in the field of civil defense ;

- exercises other powers in the field of civil defense in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.

Government of the Russian Federation:

- ensures the implementation of a unified state policy in the field of civil defense;

- supervises the organization and conduct of civil defense ...

Perhaps the government took the President's metaphor literally? And therefore it does not consider it necessary to prepare the population for survival in critical conditions?

Perhaps these plans are a state secret, since they are not presented in a form accessible to the people?

Therefore, let us discuss the less secret theory and practice of rescuing the population in the United States, for which paradise (according to our president's assumption) does not shine, and, “in order not to die,” they are forced to prepare the population for protection from cataclysms.

National Readiness Month


US National Awareness Month celebrated every September "to raise awareness of the importance of preparing for natural disasters and emergencies that may occur at any time."

The theme for 2021 is “Prepare for Defense. Preparing for natural disasters protects everyone you love. ”

National Readiness Month Is a call to action for all parts of our government, industry and commerce, academia, nongovernmental organizations, civic groups, religious institutions and families. By working together today, we can ensure our nation is prepared for the natural and man-made threats of tomorrow.

Each of us must do our part this month - we must all prepare to defend ourselves. I urge everyone to get vaccinated, turn on emergency alerts on your smartphone, pack your emergency suitcase, and encourage others in your community to do the same.

Therefore, I, Joseph R. Biden, Jr., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the powers vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, declare September 2021 National Readiness Month.

I call on all Americans to recognize the importance of preparedness and to work together to build our resilience and preparedness.

In the first lines of advice to American citizens for this month:

Make a plan: talk to friends and family about how you will communicate before, during, and after the disaster. Be sure to update your plan based on the recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control for Coronavirus.

Assemble the kit: Gather supplies that will last a few days after the disaster for everyone who lives in your home. Remember to consider the unique needs of each person or pet in the event of a quick evacuation. Upgrade your kits and supplies as recommended by the Centers for Disease Control.

Inexpensive and free readiness: Start today by signing up for alerts, securing important documents, and other low-cost, free preparedness measures to reduce the impact of disasters and emergencies on you and your family.

Teach your youth to be prepared: talk to your children about preparing for emergencies and what to do if you are apart. Reassure them by providing information on how they can participate in the salvation.

Call for the military

An example is this appeal from the US Navy command:

September is National Readiness Month and is a great opportunity to apply the preparedness skills honed throughout the year and apply them to our personal lives.

The preparedness mindset, much needed by the navy, is also of paramount importance outside of service and should be practiced year-round to ensure that every seafarer, civil servant, contractor, and family member is prepared to deal with natural disasters and other disasters.

“Mission readiness is a concept embedded in every sailor of the naval fleetbut it is imperative that each of us take the time to be personally prepared for what may come our way. "

U.S. National Preparedness System

The National Preparedness Framework describes an organized process for everyone in the community to advance their preparedness activities and achieve the National Preparedness Goal.

National Preparedness Goal

The National Preparedness Goal defines what it means for the entire community to be prepared for all types of disasters and emergencies.

The goal itself is laconic:

"A safe and resilient nation with the capabilities needed by the entire community to prevent, protect, mitigate, respond and recover from the threats and hazards that pose the greatest risk."

These risks include events such as natural disasters, disease pandemics, chemical spills and other man-made hazards, terrorist attacks and cyberattacks.

National Incident Management System

The National Incident Management System (NIMS) directs all levels of government, nongovernmental organizations and the private sector to work together to prevent and protect from incident mitigation, response and recovery.

NIMS provides stakeholders across the community with a common vocabulary, systems and processes for successfully realizing the opportunities described in the National Preparedness Framework. NIMS defines operating systems that describe how everyone works together during incidents.

Weekly Topics

Each week in September, a US campaign focuses on different aspects of preparedness for individuals, families, and communities.


Week 1, September 1-4: make a plan.


Talk to friends and family about how you will communicate before, during, and after the disaster. Be sure to update your plan based on the recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control for Coronavirus.

Week 2, September 5-11: create a kit. Gather supplies that will last a few days after the disaster for everyone who lives in your home. Remember to consider the unique needs of each person or pet in the event of a quick evacuation. Upgrade your kits and supplies as recommended by the Centers for Disease Control.

Week 3, September 12-18: natural disasters won't wait for you to be prepared. Preparation for them shouldn't wait either. Get started today by signing up for alerts, securing important documents, and other low-cost and free preparedness measures to reduce the impact of disasters and emergencies on you and your family.


Including animals.

Week 4, September 19-25: teach the youth to be prepared. Talk to your children about preparing for emergencies and what to do if you are apart. Reassure them by providing information on how they can participate in disaster preparedness and interact with you.

Extreme risks



If you think the extreme risks are too small to worry about, just think about what the asteroid Yucatan did to the dinosaurs.

Towers Watson recently updated its list of extreme risks to global economic, social and political stability. These risks, although unlikely, will have serious implications for insurers and, more globally, for countries and global financial markets and infrastructures.

I will describe only two groups.

Extreme technological risks include:

Biotechnological disaster... Biological technologies (genome, nanotechnology and others) are used in a destructive way, intentionally or accidentally.

Cyber ​​war... Large scale computer sabotage / espionage with severe damage to infrastructure, financial, medical or defense systems.

Infrastructure failure. Interruption of the infrastructure mains network that disrupts the economy or affects basic needs (for example, a power outage for a long period, especially in winter).

Nuclear contamination. A major nuclear event or large release of radioactivity that is fatal to humans.

Technological advancement. Technological progress beyond human understanding or control, threatening human life. "Singularity" refers to the moment when computers reach intelligence higher than human and realize its insignificance.

There are five types of extreme environmental risks:

Alien invasion. An invasion of non-peaceful aliens who want to deprive the planet of resources or enslave / destroy human life.

Collapse of biodiversity. The destruction of the global ecosystem, leading to problems with food and water supplies, disease or climate problems.

Space threats. Planetary hazards such as being hit by a large meteorite, giant solar flare, or magnetic storm.

Change in global temperature. The Earth's climate is becoming less habitable (hot or cold), disrupting social and economic systems.

Global natural disaster. The confluence of major earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods or volcanic eruptions with severe global consequences.

Alien invasion

Alien Invasion is a common feature of science fiction and films in which aliens invade Earth to exterminate and / or enslave humanity, steal planetary resources, or destroy the planet as a whole.

Our history on Earth has given us many examples of what can happen when civilizations with unequal technologies meet - as a rule, the more technologically advanced destroyed or enslaved each other.

Probability score

Most Britons believe that an alien invasion is imminent - and most already have a plan for when this happens.

According to research, six out of ten Britons believe that an alien invasion is imminent, and 80 percent have a plan to fight it.

A study of 2 adults revealed funny things they would do if aliens came to us, including hiding under the bed, pretending they weren't there, or just panicking.

Other "reliable" plans include calling mom and dad for advice ...

Stocking up on toilet paper, fleeing to the countryside, or relying on "experts" to sort it all out are also possible strategies.

But a quarter have a less productive approach - they only intend to panic.

Actions when attacked by zombies

The US Department of Defense has prepared a rescue plan in the event of a possible attack by the zombie army. The document, codenamed CONOP 8888, contains detailed instructions on how to survive the attack of the living dead and destroy them. In addition, the plan contains recommendations on how to maintain law and order after a zombie attack.


"This plan includes guidelines for the joint US military command to develop a comprehensive emergency scenario to protect civilians from the zombie horde," the Pentagon said in a consolidated review.

According to the plan, there are several options for the development of events in the event of a zombie attack. In the worst case, zombies with a high contagion rate eat up large numbers of people and infect them.

In this situation, it is almost impossible to resist the living dead.

The document was developed back in April 2011. Its creators emphasize the seriousness of the concept. According to the authors, zombies can replace any perceived enemy absolute. By using the image of the living dead instead of a real state, you can avoid political overtones and at the same time create a strong emotional motivation to prepare for various threats to the population.

The operation to save humanity from zombies is generally similar to the suppression of anti-government forces. As in the case of the rebels, the operation goes through stages of "containment", "seizure of the initiative", "domination", "stabilization" and "restoration of civilian power." But it also contains recommendations for the civilian population. And these tips are communicated to people during routine training.


And this, like the invasion of aliens, does not make the Americans laugh. Although the Americans, according to MN Zadornov, are "stupid", they care about their safety seriously.

The last two examples are intended to demonstrate not stupidity, but the foresight of the US government.

Hollywood also helps Americans in this.

Disaster films

This is a specific kind of thriller and drama. We can talk about both a natural disaster (tornado, earthquake, volcanic eruption, etc.), and a man-made disaster (for example, an airplane crash).

More exotic scenarios (see above) are also not rejected.


The catastrophe that destroyed the world most often appears: the third world war with the use of weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical or biological), the invasion of aliens, the uprising of machines led by artificial intelligence (robots), pandemic, asteroid impact, mass appearance of prehistoric monsters, climatic or other disasters.

What are the goals of such films, besides commercial and entertainment?

They form models of behavior and inspire hopes for a hero, naturally American (Willis, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Tom Cruz), who will save the world at the last moment ...


Not all of these works reach our viewer. Therefore, both the effect and the confidence are less.

It should be borne in mind that various government agencies today have their offices in Hollywood, ranging from the FBI to NASA and the Secret Service.

Few of these agencies, however, have something to offer in exchange for changing scripts, and thus their influence in Hollywood is minimal. The notable exception here is the Department of Defense.

But since the industry is in fact absolutely open to any manipulation by various government services, then in films about disasters, close to possible models of behavior for the population are proposed, thus decisive some issues of preparing people for emergencies.

Let's go back to Russia


We fall to the primary sources

Actions of the population in the event of armed conflicts and local wars.

With the onset of a military threat, martial law (Martial Law) may be introduced in the region - in the event of an aggression against the Russian Federation or its immediate threat, or a state of emergency (State of Emergency) when an attempt is made to change the constitutional order of the Russian Federation, seizure or appropriation of power, or an armed rebellion.

For all the seeming unexpectedness of the introduction of VP or emergency, such dangers have a rather long ripening period, therefore, when such dangers arise The Ministry of Emergency Situations recommends observing the following rules:

• follow up the news and the recommendations of the authorities through the media and the Internet (Military Review to help!);

• when entering troops, do not go out into the street unnecessarily;

• timely study the orders of the commandant's office and other power structures, strictly observe the curfew and other restrictive measures, unconditionally obey military orders and orders;

• create a supply of water and food for a long period of time;

• to put the most valuable things, documents in an easy-to-carry package and be ready for evacuation at any time when it is required;

• team up with the residents of your house (or neighboring houses) for the purpose of mutual help ...

Inspection of the Ministry of Emergency Situations


Comprehensive inspections of warning systems are carried out on the territory of the country twice a year. The nearest one is scheduled for October 6 of this year, 2021.

Until that time, municipalities and regional authorities must eliminate the shortcomings identified during the last check.

The population will be alerted about any dangers and emergencies in Russia by a single signal "Attention everyone!".

The department decided to move away from the previous signals of civil defense "Attention to all!", "Air alert!", "Chemical alert!", "Radiation hazard!", "Threat of catastrophic flooding!"

This is due to the emergence of new threats of a natural, man-made and biological-social nature, for each of which it is impractical to come up with a signal of its own, since it will be difficult for citizens to remember them.

Now, after the signal "Attention to all!" the population will be given instructions for action in relation to each specific situation.

That is, during the upcoming events, the readiness of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is checked, and not the ability of the population to act in case of emergencies and their consequences.

Nevertheless, making his feasible contribution to civil defense and taking into account the high attendance of the military, the author considers it appropriate to convey at least to our readers the graphic message of the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations.

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  1. 0
    17 September 2021 06: 02
    The first thought about the death of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is that the rescuer must first of all do at least something for OWN safety! Look around, insurance, rope, call for help, whatever, but do not jump after someone in distress. It was an example of blatant unprofessionalism!
    In all instructions for non-professionals, the first point is: make sure of safety, if there is a danger - eliminate its source!
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 06: 32
      According to the Universal First Aid Algorithm, if a person becomes a participant or eyewitness of an incident, he must perform the following actions:

      1. Conduct an assessment of the situation and provide a safe environment for first aid:
      1) determine the threatening factors for their own life and health;
      2) determine the threatening factors for the life and health of the victim;
      3) eliminate threats to life and health;

      https://www.mchs.gov.ru/deyatelnost/bezopasnost-grazhdan/universalnyy-algoritm-okazaniya-pervoy-pomoshchi_5
    2. +7
      17 September 2021 07: 08
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The first thought about the death of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is that the rescuer must first of all do at least something for OWN safety! Look around, insurance, rope, call for help, whatever, but do not jump after someone in distress. It was an example of blatant unprofessionalism!


      In the first paragraphs, the author tries to shout about what is not allowed. Lines between lines. Even if he had nailed himself to the rock with nails ...
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 07: 11
        Quote: sergo1914
        In the first paragraphs, the author tries to shout about what is not allowed. Lines between lines. Even if he had nailed himself to the rock with nails ...

        And this does not even need to be disassembled, the official version is enough, whether it is true or completely untrue ...
        1. AUL
          +4
          17 September 2021 13: 06
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Emergencies Minister Yevgeny Zinichev died in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. According to the official version, the general of the army crashed on stones while trying to save the film director Alexander Melnik.

          All other details of official messages, including on the official website of the Ministry of Emergencies, not only contradictory, but also changed several times.

          Despite a harsh veto for a fairly large number of witnesses, their testimonies have leaked and are actively discussed in online media and social networks.
          Some questions arise ... They cannot but arise when conflicting versions arise around one event, which, moreover, change, and a veto is imposed on eyewitness testimonies. It means that something is wrong here if the official sources are obscuring. And when there is public interest and there is no reliable information, gossip inevitably arises.
          I do not want to say anything about the tragedy itself, or about General Zinichev, or about the film director Melnik. For I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM, NOR THE TRAGEDY OF ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But there are some thoughts.
          Two people were killed when falling from the rocks. And where was the general's entourage looking and where was it at that time? After all, the rocks are not the place where the general walks alone on foot! And why, except for the general, did no one come to the aid of the Miller? And why did the Melnik break loose? There is no official intelligible answer, so there is a wide field for imagination. From the primitive "they fell for drunkenness" to the more sophisticated "they had a duel there, like Lermontov and Martynov, and Zolotov and Zhirinovsky were seconds."
          I would like to stress once again that I do not want to say anything about Zinichev and Melnik. My post is not about them at all. I am writing about the information, the half-truth, which the official media feed us and which gives rise to these wild gossip and rumors.
          1. -6
            17 September 2021 13: 38
            Quote from AUL
            And why, except for the general, did no one come to the aid of the Miller?

            He just stood closest to everyone and jumped first.
            Quote from AUL
            They cannot but arise when conflicting versions arise around one event, which, moreover, change.

            Yes, there was nothing contradictory. He just died during an interdepartmental exercise and some clever people could not understand that the minister was not taking part in the exercises as an ordinary employee.
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 14: 21
              Preparedness for war and cataclysms

              1. Of course, Russia is ready - we have this all the norm of life. In Russian "not diarrhea, so scrofula" laughing
              2. Well, if Che is always, instead of the dead, new migrant workers will be brought in.
              3. Money, children, grandchildren, real estate in the damned West.
              1. +1
                17 September 2021 16: 02
                Is it you for me or someone else?
                1. -1
                  17 September 2021 16: 41
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Is it you for me or someone else?


                  At all laughing
                  1. -1
                    18 September 2021 07: 30
                    Quote: Civil
                    At all

                    That is, without meaning.
            2. +2
              17 September 2021 15: 00
              Teachings. In a nature reserve. There is no land in Russia to conduct teachings; there is no other place, except for a unique reserve that has no analogue. Nowhere on earth are there such natural conditions as on Putorana. Where, if not there, to conduct large-scale interagency exercises? Do you know, theoretically, the concept of shame?
              1. +1
                17 September 2021 16: 04
                Quote: Mikhail3
                Where, if not there, to conduct large-scale interagency exercises? Do you know, theoretically, the concept of shame?

                I wonder how many times it is necessary to explain to some that the minister died during a routine shooting. The exercises were held in seven regions.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2021 16: 34
                  I wonder what is the usual shooting in the reserve? With the participation of an absolutely leftist director and the head of the Ministry of Emergencies. Shame ...
                  1. -1
                    18 September 2021 07: 31
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    I wonder what is the usual shooting in the reserve?

                    Plain, with beautiful views.
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    Featuring an absolutely left-handed director

                    And that the Ministry of Emergency Situations has its own film studio? And which one?
            3. 0
              17 September 2021 20: 53
              Exercises in the reserve ??
              1. -3
                18 September 2021 07: 39
                Quote: Ua3qhp
                Exercises in the reserve ??

                Quote: Dart2027
                I wonder how many times it is necessary to explain to some that the minister died during a routine shooting. The exercises were held in seven regions.
          2. -1
            17 September 2021 20: 58
            Quote from AUL
            Two people died when falling from the rocks. And where was the general's entourage looking and where was it at that time?

            The Ministry of Emergency Situations has a personal guard.
            They say that a total of 5 people died, two famous and 3 from the guards.
            1. AUL
              +1
              17 September 2021 21: 59
              That's what I'm writing about. When there is no objective and reliable information, but there is public interest, all kinds of rumors spread. IMHO, it is more convenient to immediately publish the truth - it will be cheaper for the authorities!
              1. 0
                18 September 2021 07: 40
                Quote from AUL
                it is more convenient to immediately publish the truth

                Rumor lovers will still shout that they know everything better.
          3. 0
            20 September 2021 01: 34
            Quote from AUL
            Melnik. For I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM, NOR ABOUT THE TRAGEDY OF ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But there are some thoughts.

            And also the place of the tragedy is very interesting.
    3. -4
      17 September 2021 07: 12
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Look around, insurance, rope, call for help, whatever, but do not jump after someone in distress. It was an example of blatant unprofessionalism!

      Maybe it's easier to go home right away? By the time everything is ready, there will be no need to save anyone.
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 07: 13
        Quote: Dart2027
        Maybe it's easier to go home right away? By the time everything is ready, there will be no need to save anyone.
        Follow the link to the official website of the Ministry of Emergencies, do not be lazy.
        https://www.mchs.gov.ru/deyatelnost/bezopasnost-grazhdan/universalnyy-algoritm-okazaniya-pervoy-pomoshchi_5
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 07: 19
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          https://www.mchs.gov.ru/deyatelnost/bezopasnost-grazhdan/universalnyy-algoritm-okazaniya-pervoy-pomoshchi_5

          When someone falls into the water, the rescuers always immediately jump to save him, if they are, of course.
          1. +4
            17 September 2021 08: 12
            Quote: Dart2027
            When someone falls into the water, the rescuers always immediately jump to save him, if they are, of course.
            Are you raving?
            1. -3
              17 September 2021 08: 13
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Are you raving?

              I'm talking about rescuing drowning people, you don't know.
              1. +6
                17 September 2021 08: 26
                Quote: Dart2027
                I'm talking about rescuing drowning people, you don't know.

                And in what conditions? Do they jump into the breakers at the waterfall, and all at once? Or they use mandatory special equipment, such as this:
                EQUIPMENT OF THE RESCUE POST
                Personnel - at least 3 people.
                Rowing boat - 1 pc.
                First aid kit - 1 pc.
                Lifebuoys - 5 pcs.
                "The End of Alexandrov" - 2 pcs.
                Life jackets - 5 pcs.
                Loudspeaker - 1 pc.
                Light diving equipment (fins, masks) - 2 pcs.

                This is for a loved one, you can jump into the fire without hesitation, but about the Head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, frank garbage is written, which simply covers the failure of the event or a banal party.
                1. -2
                  17 September 2021 10: 18
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  And in what conditions? Do they jump into the breakers at the waterfall, and all at once? Or they use mandatory special equipment, such as this:

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Maybe it's easier to go home right away? By the time everything is ready, there will be no need to save anyone.

                  Or do you seriously believe that all of the above was dragged behind the minister? I remind you it was just shooting in nature and no one was going to get into the water.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  This is for a loved one, you can jump into the fire without hesitation.

                  In fact, people have done this more than once for the sake of absolutely strangers.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  and about the Head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, frank garbage is written, which simply covers the failure of the event or a banal party.

                  Said a man who was not even close there.
                  1. +2
                    17 September 2021 10: 34
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Or do you seriously believe that all of the above was dragged behind the minister? I remind you it was just shooting in nature and no one was going to get into the water.
                    You remembered some rescuers, probably not firefighters: Dart2027] then the rescuers always immediately jump to save him So, lifeguards, on the beach, for example, should have minimum equipment.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    I remind you it was just shooting in nature and no one was going to get into the water.
                    It also shows the level of organization of the event.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    In fact, people have done this more than once for the sake of absolutely strangers.
                    That is precisely why the rules are spelled out. And therefore people, at least somehow prepared, saved other people, even at the cost of their lives, and did not die uselessly.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Said a man who was not even close there.
                    What, are you an eyewitness like Peskov?
                    1. 0
                      17 September 2021 13: 33
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      so the lifeguards, on the beach, for example, should have minimum equipment

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Do you seriously believe that all of the above was dragged behind the minister?

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      It also shows the level of organization of the event.

                      That is, every trip to nature is a special operation?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      This is precisely why the rules are spelled out.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Maybe it's easier to go home right away? By the time everything is ready, there will be no need to save anyone.

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      What, are you an eyewitness like Peskov?

                      I don’t know the sands, but you’re definitely not an eyewitness.
                      1. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 53
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, every trip to nature is a special operation?

                        Come on, the official version says something completely different:
                        The ministry said that the minister died in the line of duty, while in Norilsk at an interdepartmental exercise to protect the Arctic zone from emergencies, saving a person's life.
                        According to one of the sources of RBC, the tragic incident occurred during a departmental shooting. Zinichev reportedly tried to keep the operator from slipping at the edge of the cliff.
                      2. -3
                        17 September 2021 16: 05
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        According to one of the sources of RBC, the tragic incident occurred during a departmental shooting. Zinichev reportedly tried to keep the operator from slipping at the edge of the cliff.

                        AND? You yourself refer to the fact that they were just filming there. Nothing life threatening was planned.
                      3. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 09
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        AND? You yourself refer to the fact that they were just filming there. Nothing life threatening was planned.
                        Here people are looking for different meanings between the lines, but you don't see what is written in Russian in white:
                        uote = Dart2027] occurred during departmental shooting [/ quot
                        Department, for a minute - the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
                      4. 0
                        18 September 2021 07: 33
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Department, for a minute - the Ministry of Emergency Situations

                        AND? We were going to make a film about the work of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and insert frames with beautiful views into it.
                      5. +1
                        18 September 2021 09: 31
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        AND? We were going to make a film about the work of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and insert frames with beautiful views into it.

                        According to your filming, this event does not require security, well, well.
                      6. 0
                        18 September 2021 10: 49
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        According to your filming, this event does not require security

                        Well, show the document regulating shooting outdoors as a dangerous event.
                      7. 0
                        18 September 2021 10: 58
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Well, show the document regulating shooting outdoors as a dangerous event.

                        And simple common sense does not allow you to determine this by eye? Great remoteness from inhabited places, harsh climate, very difficult terrain, does not - do not allow? Or once shooting, the girls in high heels will bring coffee to the director?
                      8. 0
                        18 September 2021 12: 22
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And simple common sense does not allow you to determine this by eye?

                        That is, no? Expected.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Great remoteness from inhabited places, harsh climate, very difficult terrain, does not - do not allow?

                        This means that in such cases, you need to carry with you military field mobile hospitals in an amount of at least two pieces.
                      9. 0
                        18 September 2021 13: 00
                        And simple common sense does not allow you to determine this by eye? Great remoteness from inhabited places, harsh climate, very difficult terrain, does not - do not allow? Or once shooting, the girls in high heels will bring coffee to the director?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, no? Expected.
                        Oh, you are one of those eccentrics for whom the mind replaces a piece of paper, as expected.


                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Great remoteness from inhabited places, harsh climate, very difficult terrain, does not - do not allow?
                        This means that in such cases, you need to carry with you military field mobile hospitals in an amount of at least two pieces.
                        Oh, you are one of those eccentrics who take a can of Lipton tea and a selfie stick in the taiga for three days, as expected.

                        Continue to imagine that the filming of a movie is unsecured.
                        Assistance in organizing the filming of the film "Territory" on the Putorana Plateau within the framework of the exercises was provided by the Siberian regional search and rescue team of the Russian Emergencies Ministry. We have at our disposal photographs from the filming of the film, provided by the SRPSOMES of Russia.

                        http://putorana-rafting.ru/
                      10. 0
                        18 September 2021 13: 27
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And simple common sense does not allow

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This means that in such cases, you need to carry with you military field mobile hospitals in an amount of at least two pieces.

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Oh, you are one of those eccentrics for whom the mind replaces a piece of paper

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Follow the link to the official website of the Ministry of Emergencies, do not be lazy.
                        https://www.mchs.gov.ru/deyatelnost/bezopasnost-grazhdan/universalnyy-algoritm-okazaniya-pervoy-pomoshchi_5

                        Don't you remember how you hid behind them? So where is the guiding document?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Continue to imagine that the filming of a movie is unsecured.

                        And what is this security? Hospital?
                      11. 0
                        18 September 2021 14: 32
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Don't you remember how you hid behind them? So where is the guiding document?

                        Was I hiding? This is just a list of beach lifeguard equipment. But now you are just hiding, like there is no piece of paper, so I turn what I want. Ay, shorts and a selfie stick!

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And what is this security? Hospital?
                        Oh well, witty. Is this organization not enough?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Assistance in organizing the filming of the film "Territory" on the Putorana Plateau within the framework of the exercises was provided by the Siberian regional search and rescue team of the EMERCOM of Russia


                        What kind of wretchedness are you doing, have you ever seen anything because of the monitor in your life?
                        In some films, the action takes place on the banks of various bodies of water, in swampy places. Such filming should be done with special care. When organizing filming, the producer should seek the help of the local rescue service, whose workers carefully examine the bottom and state of the reservoir. If necessary, additional preparation of the reservoir and coastal area is carried out. When filming on the water, the rescue service workers are on constant duty, having the necessary means to provide assistance. If required, participants in filming are provided with life jackets. It is important that all flotation devices used in filming (pontoons, rafts, etc.) are in good working order and comply with the design load. If, during filming, performers are in a pond or doused with water, it is necessary to obtain permission from a doctor. If the artist does not know how to swim, then a coach-instructor is hired for his training in advance. When shooting on general and medium shots, the artists should be replaced with stunt doubles. During filming on the water, a duty of medical personnel must be established.
                      12. 0
                        18 September 2021 16: 59
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Was I hiding? This is just a list of beach lifeguard equipment.
                        Regulated by documentary. So where is the indication of how much rescue equipment you need to take when going out into the countryside?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        When filming on water Rescue workers are on constant watch with the necessary means to provide assistance.

                        What are you wretchedly getting out, have you ever tried to read at least what you yourself refer to?
                      13. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 09
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Regulated by documentary. So where is the indication of how much rescue equipment you need to take when going out into the countryside?

                        You don't even have to take shorts, a selfie stick is enough.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What are you wretchedly getting out, have you ever tried to read at least what you yourself refer to?
                        You are showing your "level" more and more enchanting and enchanting, about the concept of "Safety technology" it seems, in principle, not a course.

                        Working on a film expedition and on a local nature makes the film crew dependent on the climate, terrain, vegetation and other local conditions. In advance, before the start of filming, the administration of the film crew must establish the necessary contacts, depending on the content and nature of the filming, with representatives of local executive authorities, Rostekhnadzor, Rospotrebnadzor, veterinary supervision, traffic police, internal affairs bodies, military command, departments of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, medical institutions .. ..
                        .... When organizing work on the set, we must not forget about the issues of medical support - there should always be a first-aid kit on the set. In addition, in high-risk filming, away from settlements, with the participation of more than 50 people in filming, as well as animals, a duty of medical personnel (ambulance, doctor, nurse) must be established with a set of first aid equipment.
                      14. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 17
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        You don't even have to take shorts, a selfie stick is enough.
                        That is, nothing.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Film expedition work
                        Do you lack the education to understand the difference between filming a film that takes more than one day and a short flight to the countryside for a short shoot?
                        Well then, all of the above should be imputed to every tourist in nature.
                      15. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 49
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Do you lack the education to understand the difference between filming a film that takes more than one day and a short flight to the countryside for a short shoot?
                        Where does the information about one day come from, from the same place as the death in the exercises?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, nothing.
                        Shorts you look like a thong can be changed.
                      16. 0
                        18 September 2021 18: 13
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Where does the information about one day come from
                        From your own text. Hundreds of people cannot be taken out to nature so easily, and you cannot take them back.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Shorts you look like a thong can be changed.
                        Your fetishes, complexes and fantasies are your business.
                      17. 0
                        19 September 2021 10: 09
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Where does the information about one day come from
                        From your own text. Hundreds of people cannot be taken out to nature so easily, and you cannot take them back.

                        What nonsense, instructions, you are such a fan of instructions, learn to read:
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        In addition, on filming with increased danger, away from settlements, when more than 50 people participated in filming
                        Not only are there no hundreds of people, but the number of people is not specified at all in case of remoteness from the settlement. So I'm interested in what you generally understand in the work and organization of at least some kind of life, except for trolling adolescence.


                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Shorts you look like a thong can be changed.
                        Your fetishes, complexes and fantasies are your business.
                        Well, excuse me, just your lightheadedness about organizing anything and allowed me to guess your preferences in clothes. Okay, I'm returning your shorts for a trip to the taiga.
                      18. 0
                        19 September 2021 11: 45
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        What nonsense, instructions

                        That is, there is nothing.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Not only are there not hundreds of people

                        Did you notice about only one crowd of 50 and above?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        So I'm interested in what you generally understand in the work and organization of at least some kind of life

                        You, apparently, do not understand anything in principle. Again
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Well then, all of the above should be imputed to every tourist in nature.

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Okay, I'm returning your shorts for a trip to the taiga.
                        You can return the United States to England at the same time.
                      19. 0
                        19 September 2021 12: 51
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Did you notice about only one crowd of 50 and above?
                        Which proves once again your inability to read instructions and documents, I hope you are not a lawyer with such a level.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        In addition, on filming with increased danger, far from settlements, with the participation of more than 50 people in filming
                        These three points separately EACH require security.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Well then, all of the above should be imputed to every tourist in nature.
                        Once again I will write to you, at least in some shorts and a selfie stick you can go anywhere, but as soon as you officially contact an official organization for services or help, or work in this organization, the Ministry of Emergency Situations or hiking trails, in this organization safety regulations are starting to apply to you. You can, of course, demand these standards from me, but you are already showing yourself as a fan of selfies in shorts.
                      20. 0
                        19 September 2021 13: 03
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Once again I will write to you, at least in some shorts and a selfie stick you can go anywhere, but as soon as you officially contact an official organization for services or help, or work in this organization, the Ministry of Emergency Situations or hiking trails, in this organization safety regulations are starting to apply to you.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This means that in such cases, you need to carry with you military field mobile hospitals in an amount of at least two pieces.
                      21. +1
                        19 September 2021 13: 12
                        Yes, it is already clear that you are a troll at any level.
                      22. -1
                        19 September 2021 13: 40
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Yes, it is already clear that you

                        you can't say anything.
                      23. +1
                        19 September 2021 16: 08
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Yes, it is already clear that you

                        you can't say anything
                        Are you a fool? Can you still require standards for answers to fools?
                      24. 0
                        19 September 2021 18: 43
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Are you a fool?

                        You don’t know.
                      25. +1
                        18 September 2021 15: 42
                        And what is this security? Hospital?
                        Why not just the Sklifasovsky Institute (to carry with you)? A general practitioner (or preferably two) with a backpack full of everything that is needed not?
                      26. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 00
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        Why not just the Sklifasovsky Institute (to carry with you)?

                        Ask the followers of the sect "they were not trained enough."
                      27. +1
                        18 September 2021 15: 39
                        Well, show the document regulating shooting outdoors as a dangerous event.
                        yes damn it in the city, in order to remove something, they often cordon off the place, transport is allowed in alternative ways. So that onlookers do not fall under the wheels. And in the wilderness? Or did you not get out for a day for a picnic farther than in the nearest woods? Well, show me the document regulating such trips to nature! )))) Surely there is a first aid kit in the car. And if not really ... then take with you at least a tourniquet, bandage and iodine. No? Well, congratulations.
                        And as for the wilderness, where you can run into a bear, step on a viper, tuck your foot on a stone ... whatever. And you can't call an ambulance here.
                      28. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 02
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        So that onlookers do not fall under the wheels. And in the wilderness?

                        And what are the onlookers jumping from the bushes?
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        There must be a first aid kit in the car. And if not quite so ..... then take with you at least a tourniquet, bandage and iodine. No?

                        Any helicopter has the required minimum of first aid equipment. But this is the minimum that is taken with them, and what else did they have to carry?
                      29. +1
                        18 September 2021 15: 30
                        I can add - when in 2005 our second mechanic (drunk in the smoke) fell between the side and the pier, the second (a Darwin Prize contender but sober) rushed into the water (+2 degrees) to save him fool As a result - the mechanic corpse, the "rescuer" got frostbite (but saved. They pumped out and reanimated together with the boatswain). So then, so that the captain would not be hurt, we invented such fables and made out that "dear mother!" ... You could put it on the front pages of newspapers. hi
                  2. AUL
                    +1
                    18 September 2021 07: 50
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Said a man who was not even close there.

                    And you, I suppose, were present there? So how did you let this happen ?!
                    1. -1
                      18 September 2021 09: 32
                      Quote from AUL
                      And you, I suppose, were present there?

                      No. Therefore, I believe the official statements.
                      1. +1
                        18 September 2021 15: 45
                        No. Therefore, I believe the official statements.
                        and, well, it is clear)))) And I suppose the fact that quite recently people learned news from newspapers causes Homeric laughter - "Fools! They believed this scribble!" laughing
                      2. -2
                        18 September 2021 17: 03
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        Oh, I see

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Said a man who was not even close there.
    4. +5
      17 September 2021 07: 22
      The first thought about the death of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is that the rescuer must first of all do at least something for OWN safety! Look around, insurance, rope, call for help, whatever, but do not jump after someone in distress. It was an example of blatant unprofessionalism!
      In all instructions for non-professionals, the first point is: make sure of safety, if there is a danger - eliminate its source!

      The head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations should not be considered a professional mine rescuer.
      He has a completely different specialty and biography, like his predecessors.

      This is a political position and this is fate. belay
      1. +4
        17 September 2021 08: 11
        Quote: Arzt
        He has a completely different specialty and biography, like his predecessors.

        Well, he had to learn the basics! And what kind of profession is this - not even jumping into the water, but into incomprehensible breakers after even a person who is not close?
        Just answer as a doctor, in "Ambulances" don't they teach doctors to first assess the danger to their own lives when providing first aid in case of accidents and disasters?
        1. +3
          17 September 2021 10: 07
          Dear .. Yes, there is a dark forest, who tried to save whom. AND WHAT are these teachings in the wilderness? Okay, people died - a tragedy, and we will not wash their bones. The question is, are we ready to save ourselves and save those around us? I think that a normal person will rush to save his family and property. For example, we have a small basement and a supply of food and water. But then what?
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 13: 39
            Quote: 210ox
            AND WHAT are these teachings in the wilderness?

            There was just filming, exercises were in several regions.
            1. +7
              17 September 2021 14: 35
              For the death on the set give the Star of the Hero? Okay, I myself wrote that there is nothing to wash the bones of the dead. Just got sick of the hypocrisy and humiliation of the statute of state awards.
              1. -1
                17 September 2021 16: 06
                Quote: 210ox
                For the death on the set give the Star of the Hero?

                For the fact that he rushed to save, risking his life, and died.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2021 17: 31
                  He rushed to save and died ... Tragic. Unfortunately, there are plenty of such cases. And in the troops, and in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and in civilian life ... Try to remember for something like that in a peaceful situation someone was given a Hero? That's right, that's a feat ..
                  1. 0
                    18 September 2021 07: 35
                    Quote: 210ox
                    Try to remember for a similar thing in a peaceful environment the Hero was given to someone?

                    The caste in the issuance of awards has existed for a very long time. Back in the USSR, when, say, the crew of an aircraft was awarded, the commander received the highest award, and the rest were of a lower rank.
                2. +1
                  18 September 2021 17: 05
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: 210ox
                  For the death on the set give the Star of the Hero?

                  For the fact that he rushed to save, risking his life, and died.

                  ===
                  with a star, all the same, and an extra reason for enemies
                  1. -1
                    18 September 2021 17: 10
                    Quote: Victorio
                    too much with a star

                    I have already written about caste in the issuance of awards.
        2. +3
          17 September 2021 18: 03
          Well, he had to learn the basics! And what kind of profession is this - not even jumping into the water, but into incomprehensible breakers after even a person who is not close?
          Just answer as a doctor, in "Ambulances" don't they teach doctors to first assess the danger to their own lives when providing first aid in case of accidents and disasters?

          He could jump reflexively (if he jumped at all wink ).

          Do not forget, he is a professional bodyguard, and he did not work in the distant sector, but the so-called "personal", that is. being in direct contact with the protected person.

          Everything there is on reflexes, otherwise you just can't do it. stop

        3. +2
          18 September 2021 15: 53
          and in incomprehensible breakers
          so breakers from the presence of stones and a fairly fast current (well, or a roll if in the sea) are formed. Personally, I would go to hell with the breakers (and I saw and know what it is). Whether in a mountain river or in the sea. Because there is a 99% chance to stay in the same place. And if the fallen one is still alive, then it is more correct to descend carefully and provide all possible first aid, wait for a more qualified person - a doctor. Surely he was nearby (the checker is big) If you can see that the cracks (broken, or floating in an unnatural way, the brains are scattered over the stones ..) then go there too? Of course, I'll hear snide comments in the style - "are you talking there from the couch? Expert!" ... And I will answer you - the brain needs to be turned on! And do not give in to emotions. As they say - "swam. We know"
          1. 0
            18 September 2021 17: 10
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            The brain needs to be turned on! And do not give in to emotions.

            ===
            let's say a trained and self-confident person, just unlucky. don't be a stone or something else. then he could have saved the operator. sooner or later the details of what happened will appear
    5. +2
      17 September 2021 23: 14
      I had to "stick" to you. hi Does not "accept" VO directly.
      Colleagues, I understand story with the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and a journalist mildly strange
      Нoh, the author has raised a very important question. Sorry for the term, but GLOBAL, And talk it over even with the death of 2 worthy people, this is how to look for a comb before visiting the GUILLOTINE fool.
      I knew at school what where and where with air raid. Even masks were sewn and they knew primitively what to do when using OV.
      In the army, it’s quite simple there, everything is planned and completed and, at least, "on foot on horseback" worked out.
      But, now, the sensations especially on the list of likely stars, as in a joke. "... Hearing the sound of serenas or accidentally learning while watching TV that he (the star) has come, take out the sheet ...." Gloomy and stupid, but HOW ??? request
      Where, clear and communicated plans, where are the places to get or at least sit out AU,.
      In Moscow, the remnants of the country that made galoshes - underground passages, meterabout. Other places are leased for warehouses, etc. fu ... There was even a pearl for a lover of new tiles, that if the need arises, the places of the Civil Defense and Emergencies transferred for temporary use will be re-profiled for the Civil Defense and Emergencies. lol Дeven Charlie, Raikin and others could not "wrap up"... Especially, if you count the flight time of the "presentation" of potential partners, and the speed of the shock wave and light pulse? People, closer to the topic, mattress toppers know how to plan and organize. Yes incl. with dips...But now with THIS we just have a feeling of a vacuum .. crying .At least in the sense of information. About install, bring, demand execution ..,it's like a fantasy from a country where they paid for their own tickets in a car and twisted one ticket. wink
  2. +2
    17 September 2021 06: 35

    RSChS - Russian unified system for the prevention and elimination of emergency situations. It includes the formation of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, departments (departments) of Civil Defense and Emergencies in local authorities.
    The author describes only one of the aspects of the prevention and elimination of emergencies - I will not say for the whole of Russia, in Novosibirsk advertising on the topic of the Ministry of Emergency Situations is constantly shown in the metro, leaflets are distributed in the private sector on compliance with the fire regime, systems are checked about once every 1-3 months alerts.
    1. +4
      17 September 2021 07: 05
      Quote: strannik1985
      RSChS - Russian unified system for the prevention and elimination of emergency situations. It includes the formation of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, departments (departments) of Civil Defense and Emergencies in local authorities.

      In general, the author's message is clear. And your table fully confirms the "internal" direction of the work and activities being carried out. For proof, let's take the last table in the article (left column, paragraphs 6,7). At this time, I have no information WHERE the nearest hideout is. And no one is in a hurry to bring this information to me. There is the same confusion about collection points. The only clarification is that I have been living in my city for more than 50 years and, accordingly, I know where there were shelters from Soviet times, where there are relatively deep and sealed basements, etc. However, most of those protective structures have long been destroyed or demolished. Only departmental ones remained (they are checked by the Ministry of Emergency Situations), but an ordinary person from the street cannot get into them. Further paragraph 8 - information about the evacuation areas in Soviet times was not communicated to the citizens, but as always, everyone knew everything. Not a specific village, but at least a district for sure and could accordingly prepare for living in a specific area (steppe, taiga, the presence or absence of reservoirs). For myself and my family, I can say that whenever possible we are always ready. Observing the recommendations and principles of organizing the still Soviet civil defense. But the question remains about the coincidence of old recommendations and new trends. And the Ministry of Emergency Situations is silent about this "like a fish on ice" which is sad because for me personally it confirms the idea of ​​the indifference of the authorities to the people.
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 08: 10
        The only clarification

        If you do not work / serve at an important from an economic or military point of view, only the simplest shelters - basements of houses, underground passages, subways.
        Further paragraph 8

        During a special period? The same area that you live in. At the heart of the training manuals are still Soviet.
        1. +1
          17 September 2021 10: 28
          Quote: strannik1985
          During a special period? The same area that you live in.

          Yes, the area is the same. Only my former plant was supposed to be evacuated by mobplanes to a reserve position 200 km away. And the glory of labor, I knew where and what the steppe was. And 200 km to the north is already taiga and someone could go there.
        2. +5
          17 September 2021 16: 45
          basements of houses, underground passages, metro.
          - most of the country's population does not live in Moscow and St. Petersburg, or in cities with a million people, I still have no basements in Yakutsk - permafrost, the city stands on stilts ...
      2. 0
        17 September 2021 21: 20
        Quote: NDR-791
        But the question remains about the coincidence of old recommendations and new trends. And the Ministry of Emergency Situations is silent about this "like a fish on ice" which is sad because for me personally it confirms the idea of ​​the indifference of the authorities to the people.

        EMERCOM is a double bottom organization. The Ministry of Emergency Situations has armed units, not only with small arms, but also with heavy weapons.
        And also at the disposal of the Ministry of Emergency Situations there is combat aviation.
        There are persistent rumors that initially, at the dawn of the 90s, the Ministry of Emergency Situations itself was organized to evacuate the country's leadership in the event of serious public unrest and the danger of their physical existence, which is indirectly confirmed by the immutability of the leadership of the ministry and the appointment to this position only of persons exposed as special trust.
        1. 0
          18 September 2021 15: 57
          the appointment to this position only of persons exposed to special trust.
          well, so called. the "vertical of power" was created on loyalty and trust. wink And do not care about the competence (judging by the pearls of some partaigenosse on the EP), the main thing is betrayed!
    2. +5
      17 September 2021 07: 59
      They do at least something in Novosibirsk! And in other regions? Earlier (under the Union) at least there were schemes of how to get into a bomb shelter, the technical condition of which was monitored ... At school, within the framework of CWP (initial military training), they told something about how to behave in a number of catastrophic situations or the possibility of their occurrence.
      And now the siren howl is periodically heard and that's it! And what to do? Silently crawl towards the cemetery? This is not taught, not propagandized!
      Remains "either to Heaven or to Hell"?
      Or: "The salvation of a drowning man is the work of the drowning man himself"?
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 19: 20
        - In Kaliningrad, GO sirens are regularly checked! True, they do not say what to do when they hear the siren ... And this is in the border region! am
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 20: 06
          It seems that in the event of a specific danger, a description of this danger will come to all phones and computers with TV sets and what to do - in short.
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 20: 29
            - In general - yes, one of the must-have applications in smartphones is just for this ...
            1. 0
              18 September 2021 06: 11
              one of the must-have applications in smartphones just for this

              I'm not joking, just clarify the name of this app, please. If it's mandatory, why don't I have it? Occasionally SMSs come from the Ministry of Emergencies about weather warnings, but not always and completely haphazardly. When it comes and when it doesn't.
              1. +1
                18 September 2021 23: 06
                - Go to "Settings" - "Applications" - "Emergency messages over wireless networks".
                - It was loaded together with Yandex and some other domestic developments ... I could not disable or delete it! Perhaps due to computer illiteracy ... smile
          2. 0
            17 September 2021 20: 43
            Quote: Vadim237
            It seems that in the event of a specific danger, a description of this danger will come to all phones and computers with TV sets and what to do - in short.

            And if they turn off the light ?!
            1. 0
              18 September 2021 15: 59
              And if they turn off the light ?!
              will not turn off. Rather, they will turn it off, but not themselves. They will hit power plants, first of all, communication centers (as in the old days - mail, telephone, telegraph) and other nodal points.
  3. +10
    17 September 2021 06: 36
    Purely by chance I noticed. Authors on VO: Sergey Ivanov, Roman Ivanov, Alexey Ivanov. New creative union? smile
    1. +4
      17 September 2021 06: 53
      Creative?...
      Creativity is a process of activity, as a result of which qualitatively new objects and spiritual values ​​are created, or the result of creating an objectively new one. The main criterion that distinguishes creativity from manufacturing (production) is the uniqueness of its result. ...

      Ran through the article. And what is qualitative, spiritual, unique in it? Poured, the author of water, as in the Khabarovsk Territory on the long hackneyed theme "who is stronger than a whale or an elephant" ...
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 07: 10
        wassat You read the lines. And you try между lines. It makes sense right away bully
        1. +5
          17 September 2021 07: 12
          If also "between the lines", then I will drown!))) laughing
        2. +1
          17 September 2021 14: 52
          Quote: NDR-791
          It makes sense right away

          The point is that if an emergency or a military conflict is of a limited scale, then at the very least, they will cope with it, they will scrape together forces. But God forbid, something serious and long-term will be tough ... And this problem is not only with us, it is a worldwide problem ...
          But with children why they do not conduct classes, how to behave in an emergency situation, it is incomprehensible and strange. The Japanese, in this regard, are great, every schoolchild there knows what to do during an earthquake, fire, flood. I would very much like our young generation to have clear algorithms of actions in their heads in the event of an attack by an armed man in a school, a fire in a house, a hurricane or a thunderstorm ...
          1. +1
            18 September 2021 16: 06
            But why do not they conduct classes with children?
            so us and "they didn't ask to give birth at all" like bee. Here, recently (at work) in a work chat, they began to remember how a warehouse with pyrotechnics began to burn and burst across the road, so some "geniuses" ran out of the building and ran closer, to look for a type. And when I wrote that they were "Darwin Prize candidates", they were offended, those who understood. And who did not understand (immediately) took offense later wassat
            1. +1
              18 September 2021 18: 47
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              And who did not understand (immediately) took offense later

              laughing good

              Well written, funny. But in the end it is sad. Not only children, but most adults have no idea how to behave in extreme situations ...
              1. +1
                18 September 2021 20: 19
                But in the end it's sad
                laughter, laughter, but, as they say - "the well-known organ upward with fur". Rather even sad
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 16: 47
      All of Russia rests on the Ivanovs, we had Ivanovs in the Kremlin ...
    3. 0
      17 September 2021 18: 52
      Quote: parusnik
      Purely by chance I noticed. Authors on VO: Sergey Ivanov, Roman Ivanov, Alexey Ivanov. New creative union?

      You need to watch the classics:

      hi
  4. +1
    17 September 2021 06: 41
    Biden, with a call to make September preparation for an emergency, did not think that this was straining other countries. All this enmity is reflected in the internal problems of future opponents. In our country, an information and cultural reboot is urgently required. Some people were intimidated, others, on the contrary, run around with weapons through the streets. And this will only increase. To write about the upcoming cataclysms at a time when officials did not lift a finger in this direction is another horror story ... On natural disasters. The USSR systematically worked in this direction. The Neva was tamed and the regions of Leningrad stopped flooding. In my opinion, the hydrologists stopped working altogether.
  5. +8
    17 September 2021 06: 59
    After hurricane 4 DAYS, it was decided who would deliver the water to Orleans. 4 DAYS!!! As for the flood in the Khabarovsk Territory, this is commonplace. This happens all the time, like fires. Although the heat was really strong this year. But again, it is quite an ordinary event because here it is more humidity that kills and not temperature. Over 30 in the summer is the norm. And that 33 that 36 with humidity under 90 is a tough test of the body.
    1. +4
      17 September 2021 10: 51
      Quote: carstorm 11
      After Hurricane 4 DAYS, it was decided who would deliver the water to Orleans. 4 DAYS!!!

      And what surprises you here? This is capitalism. Here, no one will lift a finger without personal gain. You better worry not for Orleans, but for your cities. Otherwise, we are just going to the same Orleans scheme at full speed. When everything is at the mercy of a private trader. By the way, did you pay attention to the fact that, in fact, readiness for a big war is being checked? The author raised a very extensive topic to dig not to dig. And in the framework of capitalism, on many issues, unaffordable.
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 16: 49
      After hurricane 4 DAYS, it was decided who would deliver the water to Orleans.
      - apparently the tender was carried out ...
  6. 0
    17 September 2021 07: 10
    And what if they immediately said that the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the director did not die during the exercises? Would this make death and a courageous act less courageous or not very tragic?
    How tired of the same thing. They died in the exercise. This is true.
    You just need to understand the fact that the exercises in which the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations takes part is a global event in which thousands of people are involved in vast territories, and that he personally will not participate in them as an ordinary employee.
    1. -1
      17 September 2021 09: 17
      Quote: Dart2027
      How tired of the same thing. They died in the exercise. This is true.
      Interesting opinion of an interesting person.
      1. +4
        17 September 2021 10: 19
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Interesting opinion of an interesting person.

        Opinion can be anything, but there were teachings.
        1. -1
          17 September 2021 12: 15
          Quote: Dart2027
          but the teachings were.

          At the waterfall? Videos go and have exercises, they seem to be not secret? wink
          And in my opinion it is very strange that after the fall, both were buried in closed coffins. I saw "paratroopers" -suicides who fell from the 16th floor, I saw the guys after the road accident, collected to a "beautiful" state, I saw the collected face after a shot in the head. But here for some reason the lids were closed.
          I am not stating anything, I am simply listing things that seem strange to me.
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 13: 44
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            At the waterfall? Videos go and have exercises, they seem to be not secret?

            Quote: Dart2027
            You just need to understand the fact that the exercises in which the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations takes part is a global event in which thousands of people are involved in vast territories, and that he personally will not participate in them as an ordinary employee.

            These exercises took place in 7 regions.
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 14: 26
              Quote: Dart2027
              These exercises took place in 7 regions.

              There is a video almost everywhere. At least amateur photography, everyone now has smartphones. For some reason not here. Accident?
              P.S. Not tired of trying to justify the stupidity of the official versions? wink
              1. 0
                17 September 2021 16: 08
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                There is a video almost everywhere.
                Here's a video.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Not tired
                lie?
                1. -2
                  17 September 2021 16: 49
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Here's a video.

                  You are healthy? What is this video, what shaggy years? You have read my top commentary?
                  1. 0
                    18 September 2021 07: 36
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    What is this video, what shaggy years?

                    Have you tried to read the caption under the video?
                    The live broadcast took place on Sept. 7. 2021 g.
                    1. 0
                      18 September 2021 09: 04
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Have you tried to read the caption under the video?

                      Have you been looking for a video with such quality for a long time? wink After all, any person, even a little weighed down with intellect, can easily find a video of good quality for the request "Emergencies Ministry Exercises 2021".
                      This is practically the only video of this shaggy quality.
                      Maybe it's not worth keeping the people on VO for unenlightened eccentrics?
                      PS From the exercises where Zinichev died, there is not even such a video. Although there was a professional film crew there.
                      1. 0
                        18 September 2021 09: 31
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Have you been looking for a video with such quality for a long time?

                        about 5-6 seconds.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        This is practically the only video of this shaggy quality.

                        So you admit that there is a video from the exercise? Then how to understand this
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        For some reason not here. Accident?
                        Are you already confused?
                      2. 0
                        18 September 2021 10: 43
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Are you already confused?

                        What is it? That there are good quality videos on other teachings, but not on this?
                        In addition, a smart person would think about the date of Zinichev's death, inserting an incomprehensible video from the 7th.
                        And he died on September 8. So we wouldn’t be disgraced.
                      3. -2
                        18 September 2021 10: 56
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        What is it? That there are good quality videos on other teachings, but not on this?

                        What a technically competent person you are. Can't you find it yourself?
                        Here's to you with the best quality (at that time I gave a link to the first thing that popped up in the search engine).

                        Here's another.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And he died on September 8. So we wouldn’t be disgraced.

                        Don't you understand the fact that the exercises have been going on for more than one day?
                      4. 0
                        18 September 2021 13: 15
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Don't you understand the fact that the exercises have been going on for more than one day?

                        This is clear to me, the question is different. Why is there a video from other days and places of teachings, but that very day is not?
                      5. 0
                        18 September 2021 13: 28
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Why is there a video from other days and places of teachings, but that very day is not?

                        That is, when the cameraman who was filming the nature fell, and the minister rushed to save him, then all the others had to start filming in unison?
                      6. 0
                        18 September 2021 13: 58
                        Video from the operator's camera? wink
                        Further - there is not a single video from the waterfall, neither before nor after. Although usually after an incident, someone is always filming.
                        But no, silence.
                      7. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 05
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        video from the operator's camera?

                        Here it will immediately be laid out for everyone to see. If they even got the camera, that's not a fact.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Although usually after the incident, someone is always filming.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, when the cameraman who was filming the nature fell, and the minister rushed to save him, then all the others had to start filming in unison?
                      8. +1
                        18 September 2021 16: 14
                        That is, when the cameraman who was filming the nature fell, and the minister rushed to save him, then all the others had to start filming in unison?
                        and after not? No way? For example, the process of extracting bodies, examining them and so on. Even in Chechnya, they managed to shoot, almost during hostilities, in other equally hot places.
                      9. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 05
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        Even in Chechnya, they managed to shoot, almost during hostilities, in other equally hot places.

                        Journalists? Were they there?
                      10. 0
                        18 September 2021 20: 21
                        Journalists? Were they there?
                        what is not? You will be surprised, but YES.
                        https://history.wikireading.ru/391390
                        or like this, right during work -

                        and even about (ugh, forgive me, Lord) Nevzorov does not even want to talk. But he was and filmed.
                      11. -1
                        19 September 2021 07: 11
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        what is not? You will be surprised, but YES.

                        Next to the deceased general. They were, of course, at the EMERCOM exercises, but what was there to shoot?
                    2. +1
                      18 September 2021 16: 10
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      What is this video, what shaggy years?

                      Have you tried to read the caption under the video?
                      The live broadcast took place on Sept. 7. 2021 g.

                      and if they write - "May 7, 1895"? You, too, will claim that this was filmed the first test of Popov's radio?
                      1. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 06
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        and if they write - "May 7, 1895"?

                        Evidence that the inscription will be false?
                      2. 0
                        18 September 2021 17: 24
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Evidence that the inscription will be false?

                        What is the inscription? fool Zinichev died not on the 7th, but on the 8th!
                      3. 0
                        18 September 2021 18: 11
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Zinichev died not on the 7th, but on the 8th!

                        You asked for videos of the teachings and received them. Don't know what to think of?
                      4. 0
                        18 September 2021 20: 19
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        You asked for videos from the teachings and received them

                        Damn, what are the signs of recruiting into your troll chats?
                      5. 0
                        19 September 2021 07: 11
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Damn, to your troll chats

                        That is nothing to say?
      2. +2
        17 September 2021 18: 34
        Interesting opinion of an interesting person.

        Yes, there is a large clip.
        For example, the current governor of the Astrakhan region is walking around with a PC. laughing

    2. 0
      17 September 2021 14: 38
      Is HE a man? not a disembodied spirit? Two arms, two legs, one head? Can you imagine, in a critical situation, it doesn't matter what rank you have. And who are your garters in high offices. And even how much money you have, it doesn't matter, even though I clearly blaspheme to the modern faith!
      Have you, personally and exactly you, been able to act in the best possible way? He himself survived and helped another. Couldn't? He died himself, did not help anyone, the rescued person died, and disgraced his business. This is how this life works. And whoever is dizzy from ranks and money, he not only perishes himself, but also ruins others.
      It is not true. To say otherwise is to continue insulting us. We are used to it, but do you really think that shaming us is better for the authorities? Who then whines that no one believes the authorities and does not want to obey, if not to force them with all their might?
      1. 0
        18 September 2021 13: 33
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Can you imagine, in a critical situation, it doesn't matter what rank you have. And who are your garters in high offices. And even how much money you have, it doesn't matter, even though I clearly blaspheme to the modern faith!

        And he did what he could do in that situation. Most of the indignant here would have had a clearly different reaction.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Have you, personally and exactly you, been able to act in the best possible way? He himself survived and helped another. Couldn't? He died himself, did not help anyone, the rescued person died, and disgraced his business. This is how this life works.

        Quote: Dart2027
        Look around, insurance, rope, call for help, whatever, but do not jump after someone in distress. It was an example of blatant unprofessionalism!

        Maybe it's easier to go home right away? By the time everything is ready, there will be no need to save anyone.

        Quote: Mikhail3
        And whoever is dizzy from ranks and money, he not only perishes himself, but also ruins others.
        So spinning that he is the first to rush to save the dying one. All generals would be so dizzy.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Who then whines that no one believes the authorities and does not want to obey, if not to force them with all their might?
        Those who can only whine.
        1. 0
          18 September 2021 13: 51
          Bot? Like a bot.
          1. 0
            18 September 2021 17: 06
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Bot? Like a bot.

            Self-critical.
  7. +7
    17 September 2021 07: 15
    I read the article and got a good dose of negativity.
    I remembered the war in the Caucasus, Tajikistan and Chechnya ... how the Russian-speaking population survived there, suddenly faced with the threat of destruction ... who had relatives in neighboring regions rushed there ... who remained began to be persecuted and destroyed ... Organized state aid to civilians there was no word at all ... everyone survived as best he could.
    So I am very pessimistic about the role of the state in such events ... in which case, first of all, I will have to rely only on my own strength.
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 07: 28
      And you still remember what was going on in the country at that time .. Imagine, we went to take out the civilian drink in a formidable one, as a result new hostages and severed heads ..
      1. +2
        17 September 2021 07: 40
        Most of those who remained in the regions affected by the war died ... look at the terrible photos after the storming of Grozny, some of the people were cut out in the villages, some became hostages, slaves and human goods for thugs, militants and terrorists ... it was a terrible time ... human life cost nothing.
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 08: 33
          Why should I look at a photo, I saw a lot of things there without a photo
    2. +1
      17 September 2021 16: 33
      events ... in which case, first of all, you will have to rely only on your own strength.

      Should something happen, the issue of labor migrants will become acute. We will immediately get organized groups ready to wreak havoc on our land.
  8. +2
    17 September 2021 07: 24
    1) Box of stew (all options)
    2) A bag of pasta (all variants)
    3) Drawings of AK-47 (failure in the past)
    4) Drawings of MIG-15 (failure in the past)
    5) Drawings of T-54 (failure in the past)
    6) Rope (natural disasters)
    7) Matches, salt (all options)
    8) Lyrics of Vysotsky V.S. (failure in the past)

    I'm ready.
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 09: 19
      Quote: sergo1914
      3) Drawings of AK-47 (failure in the past)
      4) Drawings of MIG-15 (failure in the past)
      5) Drawings of T-54 (failure in the past)

      Maybe better instructions for the manufacture and forging of edged weapons, coupled with the properties of different types of steel? wink
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 15: 14
      For what? To temporary difficulties while the wife is visiting her parents? War is a little more terrible and more serious in terms of its consequences.
    3. +1
      17 September 2021 16: 54
      The person reading is immediately visible smile
  9. +1
    17 September 2021 07: 31
    There is an alternative to war; it is a peaceful existence. Natural disasters also have an alternative, which is constant work with scientists. For a long time, the cities on the Volga suffered from floods. If we threw sandbags on the banks, we would still be struggling with this. We built dams. And it turns out, invested money for good reason.
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 15: 18
      Quote: nikvic46
      There is an alternative to war; it is a peaceful existence.

      The question here is how to ensure it when the socio-economic formation in which we all live implies periodic economic conflicts that smoothly flow into wars.
      Quote: nikvic46
      Natural disasters also have an alternative, which is constant work with scientists. For a long time, the cities on the Volga suffered from floods. If we threw sandbags on the banks, we would still be struggling with this. We built dams. And it turns out, invested money for good reason.

      And again, many such tasks could have already been solved if the mass of manpower and resources were not wasted and were not taken away from the majority of the working people in favor of the capitalist.
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 15: 23
        Makar: So you and I think in the same way. You just stated it more precisely.
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 16: 06
          There’s no point in this, if the bulk of people don’t understand it. Moreover, among people of leftist views, there are not too many of those who understand.
  10. +8
    17 September 2021 07: 46
    In the memo given at the end of the article on the procedure for the population to act on a signal from the civil defense, in three cases out of four, shelter in the nearest protective structure is recommended. In my city, protective structures, although they are externally maintained in a relatively functional state, can be counted on the fingers of one hand of a disabled milling machine operator. Those that are - object, are located on the territory of enterprises that are fined for improper condition. All other APs are not just abandoned, but hopelessly destroyed!
    That is, there is no shelter for most of the inhabitants! And all civil defense activities are reduced only to alerting the population. It is necessary to introduce a new GO signal - "Save yourself who can"!
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 16: 56
      So everywhere in the country
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 17: 39
        The Ministry of Emergency Situations must then include a single action in the memo: "At the signal" Air raid! "You need to go outside and look carefully at the nuclear mushroom - you will never see such a sight again!"
  11. 0
    17 September 2021 07: 57
    Who is better prepared for cataclysms, the Russian Federation or the United States? In my opinion, everything indicates that a reaction to what happened in the Russian Federation will begin earlier, due to the presence of centralized, rather than split into separate regions, services, the buildup of forces and means of eliminating the consequences will occur faster, but in the USA they are able to eliminate the consequences of larger and more severe in less time, simply at the expense of the largest economy. I don’t presume to judge where the quality of "bringing help" to the individual is higher, on the one hand I saw examples of the callousness of the authorities in the Russian Federation, on the other hand, the legendary "maybe" of the majority of compatriots (lack of home remedies and self-help, fire extinguishing, first aid kits, lack of insurance against fire etc.)
    1. +5
      17 September 2021 09: 48
      So to speak.
      In addition to the services themselves, there is a willingness and ability to overcome the inconvenience of the population.
      So for now (just so far), our readiness and the actual ability to overcome inconveniences are still higher. But this indicator is constantly decreasing by the departure of people who grew up in the USSR, because we were taught to somehow work with our hands with the help of improvised means. Those. relatively speaking, at the very least, but we can still survive without electricity, but the majority of young people do not.

      Unfortunately, the current generation does not receive such knowledge. My daughter even has lessons in labor (it’s not home economics).
      And also remember that once a year, GO exercises were held at least once a year, which, in general, would be nice to revive.
      Although they were more formal, but not not, but something was deposited in my head.
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 14: 32
      Quote: Earnest
      on the other hand, the legendary "maybe" of the majority of compatriots (lack of home remedies and self-help, fire extinguishing, first-aid kits, lack of insurance against fire, etc.)

      Perhaps there are often quite objective economic reasons. And perhaps it is not only with us. There is enough of it everywhere. In the west, all these first-aid kits, ns, alarming little chests, are mostly confused by some half-crazy survivalists.
  12. +3
    17 September 2021 10: 12
    I apologize to the author, but the article smacks of "buzz", they say everything should be short, interesting, internet and better gameified. I have been working in the heat and power industry for fifteen years, constantly faced with issues of safety, labor protection, first aid, investigation and prevention of accidents, and recently constantly faced with the problem of, if I may say so, "superficiality". People have forgotten how to dig for information, deeply understand the problem. They are bored with learning the Rules, but they want to see what Google threw out the first, and say "yes, everything is clear!" And there are many Rules, they are big, there are many letters, they are boring and "kind of stupid." While they, figuratively speaking, are written in blood over banknotes. Also, due to superficial perception, many do not understand their logic. Hence the opinion of "stupidity". A clear example for the military is the opinion that "the army sucks, they don't teach you to shoot, but they force you to dig, in America they are taught to fight, and they make diggers of us," at best, shoot half of the military personnel, and the trench reduces the effective radius of destruction of the HE ammunition, which accounts for 3/4 of the casualties in manpower, by 5-30 times, depending on the type of ammunition used - where are the bulletproof vests with exoskeletons. The same applies to survival in the event of an emergency and military action, and the work of the Ministry of Emergencies. Difficult, incomprehensible. And the worst thing is that often training and explanation is carried out formally, for show. Hence the belief in the uselessness of life safety lessons in schools, ignorance of the population of what to do in an emergency, the spread of "myths", "conspiracy theories" and "valuable advice." Regarding the death of the Minister of Emergency Situations, I will say that it is stupid to judge by him that the Ministry of Emergency Situations is not prepared as a whole. You have to understand that there are professionals-rescuers, and there are "specialists" in public relations, because we have long been with fools, right in Tvardovsky: "... Those, as usual, are censored, for a higher salary. " As for disaster films, very few can be regarded as a kind of textbook, and most of them are, at best, a set of clichés and flares, and at worst, fierce delirium or deliberately harmful information. Here, for example, is the popular zombie apocalepsis theme. On the one hand, it teaches action when carrying out quarantine measures in case of epidemics, and the fight against riots, but on the other hand, it can lay the foundations for both an inadequate response ("zombie urine") and an insufficient response (but there is no zombies, and women and children, or there they are children, perhaps even acquaintances, friends and relatives). Or examples of cliches that can lead to a misjudgment of the situation, for example: a hefty glowing timer that counts down the time until a bomb explodes, or a broken live cable that is bound to spark.
    1. +3
      17 September 2021 14: 26
      They can not. They cannot read the Rules to the end, let alone assimilate them. Such cases, colleague) They were reformatted in this way. Very soon the lack of personnel to work with the main technological units of our modern technosphere will become critical. And then the collapse will begin.
      For a week, the site gloated about the situation with the energy sector in Europe. And what happened? Yes, just hanging their ears, the authorities listened to the smooth speeches of environmental thieves. There was simply not enough brains to calculate the consequences of green madness. But these are politicians and "captains of the industry". That is, people with the most resourceful and efficient brain in modern civilization. They have tremendous training in problem solving. Nobody else has one now. So what?
      And they simply did not pull out, did not calculate the consequences of their decision. Only one step ahead and only under optimal conditions. This is not just a problem. This is a sign of impending collapse ...
    2. +1
      17 September 2021 14: 40
      Quote: Max PV
      they say everything should be short, interesting, internet-based and better gamified.

      And what's wrong with that? What's wrong with the fact that the information is presented in a digestible form? Or is it necessary to submit everything in a boring written language with black and white pictures? We don't seem to have the 17th century outside the window.
      Quote: Max PV
      Hence the belief in the uselessness of life safety lessons in schools, ignorance of the population of what to do in an emergency, the spread of "myths", "conspiracy theories" and "valuable advice."

      Oh how. And I thought it all stems from the objective reality in which we live. And it looks like it.
  13. -2
    17 September 2021 10: 17
    we live in more difficult conditions than the Americans and the British, and if something happens, I think it will be easier for us to adapt.

    How unprepared the Americans are, they have clearly shown the frosts in Texas this year, neither their small Emergencies Ministry, nor, in fact, individual readiness-ANYTHING.
    Dozens of victims in fairly normal conditions: such frosts are regularly repeated every 10-20 years.

    At the aftershock in February 2021, our councilors rescued the American freezing marine (marine), because they do not know the elementary ...
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 10: 41
      Dozens of victims in fairly normal conditions: such frosts are regularly repeated every 10-20 years.

      But the fact of the matter is that nifiga such frosts are not ordinary for the American state of Texas and the neighboring regions of Mexico. They are exactly what they are abnormal.
      Plus or minus, the lack of a centralized nationwide power system worked. That in the United States, that in Mexico, where it was built on the American model. Actually, the garbage is that if in the USSR (and by "inheritance" in the countries of the former USSR) the energy system was centralized, and made it possible to relatively easily "transfer" power in the event of such an emergency, then in the United States there is actually a set of regional energy systems ... And if one of them completely "lays down", then it becomes a very serious problem.
      1. -1
        17 September 2021 11: 41
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        But the fact of the matter is that nifiga such frosts are not ordinary for the American state of Texas and the neighboring regions of Mexico.

        I will repeat it again, if you don’t understand - such frosts regularly repeated every 10-20 years.

        And every time is a disaster.
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 14: 51
          Quote: Olgovich
          And every time is a disaster

          Which we do not have thanks to the bloody legacy of komunyach. But the Ol'govichi they are still on their own wave.
          1. -2
            17 September 2021 15: 58
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            thanks to the bloody fellow

            got the worst geopolitical and demographic catastrophe in Russia
            1. -1
              17 September 2021 16: 10
              And I thought it was naive because we were attacked by ultra-capitalists - the German fascists and their work was continued by their ideological successors Vlasov Yeltsinists. Thanks Olgovich enlightened.
              1. -2
                18 September 2021 08: 05
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                then we were attacked by ultra-capitalists

                the Bolsheviks attacked us, THEIR result- got the worst geopolitical and demographic catastrophe in Russia
      2. -1
        17 September 2021 14: 49
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        Plus or minus, the lack of a centralized nationwide power system worked.

        This is the system that Chubais sawed to pieces in our country while screaming about its inefficiency. Well, at least physically, the system has remained coherent so far. But everything is in the hands of effective managers. I won't be surprised if tomorrow we come to the American version.
  14. 0
    17 September 2021 11: 28
    Actual topic! We are waiting for real meaningful steps and instructions from the authorities in a critical situation, and the authorities themselves often do not know what to do. The coronavirus infection showed it. The training is formal. Most people are untrained. The army and the Ministry of Emergency Situations will be able to defend themselves at best. The rest are as lucky.
  15. 0
    17 September 2021 11: 32
    IMHO.
    Worked at one time with a teacher from the Academy of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, about 7 years ago

    According to him, there was a reserve of elderly teachers and pre-war students, without discipline, education and knowledge of modern technology.

    He endlessly prepared presentations, videos, texts instead of them, because they did not understand computers. Showed a Photo.
    1. 0
      18 September 2021 16: 18
      He endlessly prepared presentations, videos, texts instead of them, because they did not understand computers.
      but I've worked with the captains of both fishing and merchant ships. And many of them also did not understand computers and .. what? Have you ceased to be experts in your field? Think NO.
      1. 0
        18 September 2021 19: 46
        This can be either good or bad.

        But I'm glad for the captains of the ships. Regardless of computers.
  16. 0
    17 September 2021 11: 47
    Intense anxiety is accompanied by
    increased blood stress hormones, adrenaline and cortisol. In addition, there is a chain of more subtle biochemical shifts in the body. In different people, chronic, pathological anxiety causes disruptions in the work of different organs according to the principle "where it is thin, there it breaks": which organ system turns out to be more vulnerable

    rightly noted, and when even from each iron the kovidlobes whip up hysteria - voicing the number of deaths from karmanovirus, imprisoning old people in 4 walls for "self-isolation" and limiting freedom of movement - these destructive processes in the body intensify a hundredfold.
    in my opinion, the civil defense in Russia is in decline, most of the bomb shelters are privatized by commerce (with the exception of shelters under the administrative buildings), the population does not know the procedure for emergency situations, SMS notification (not everyone has mobile phones, and not everyone watches them at once) - there are no loudspeakers, the impression is that those responsible for emergencies themselves know how to organize (prepare) the population for the visit of a white fluffy animal.
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 13: 25
      Quote: Gunter
      covidlobes whipping up hysteria

      The obscurantism of covid-deniers is detected.
      Quote: Gunter
      in my opinion, the civil defense in Russia is in decline, most of the bomb shelters are privatized by the commerce (with the exception of the shelters under the administrative buildings),

      Not just your opinion.
      Quote: Gunter
      not everyone has mobiles

      Only small children and ancient old people do not.
      Quote: Gunter
      the impression is that those responsible for emergencies themselves know how to organize (prepare) the population for the visit of a white fluffy animal.

      This is always the case and not only with us.
      Quote: Gunter
      the population does not know the procedure for emergency situations

      Well, Duc capitalism is happiness and further along the living classic of our time Dudyu.
    2. +2
      17 September 2021 14: 50
      There are loudspeakers)))) In most settlements, they are installed according to the federal program. And the rest will be installed, do not hesitate. At schools, office buildings. Not far from my house, on a tall concrete pillar, 24 loudspeakers are screaming four times four times about a fine of 30 thousand ... ... The destruction of the wire broadcasting system and radio stations of the MW and LW range also caused significant damage to the possibility of timely warning ...
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 15: 01
        Quote: Minus
        The destruction of the wire broadcasting system and radio stations of the MW and LW range also caused significant damage to the possibility of timely warning ...

        Well, here's a loud-mouthed speaker that a missile attack from Putin's dear friends and partners. So what is next? There are no bomb shelters, nobody knows how to behave in such situations. It remains only as in a joke to put on a shroud and crawl towards the cemetery, consoling ourselves with the thought that we are definitely in Paradise.
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 15: 17
          Well, yes)))) And in our area, a bomb shelter may not be able to save ... SSHGES is clearly among the targets ... And when destroyed ...
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 15: 46
            In fact, this problem can be eliminated only by eliminating the cause of wars - economic conflicts. This is where you need to dig. Then the bomb shelters will become unnecessary.
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 17: 20
              The problem cannot be eliminated ... Feudal lords / capitalists / slave owners will not give up theirs by peaceful means ...
  17. +2
    17 September 2021 14: 15
    Personally, I did not understand the message of the article. Of course, the website of the Ministry of Emergencies will help the population like a dead poultice if things go badly. A couple of times the text read will evaporate from the brain outright under the pressure of the hormonal storm that accompanies a serious disaster. The same awaits the "skills" that Americans are trying to consolidate in people with the help of monthly toys. In the event of a global catastrophe, even more so.
    In a real conversation about survival, there are two defining points. The first is the ability of people to resist powerful negative emotions. As Alain Bombard has defined for modern people, "people die from fear in a shipwreck." Not from the negative factors of the shipwreck, but from the fact that their actions are ruled by fear. So the most important thing in any circumstances is how much you are able to maintain a psycho-connection. That is, to maintain a full-fledged structure of your personality, to show the best qualities of your mind and body to overcome the problems that arise. Nobody is being taught this at the moment. Maybe some spies ...)
    And the second one. Collectivism. Ability to create and support teams that are ready to act quickly and help. A loner is always doomed for any serious problems. And such a person, an egoist, aimed at his own survival or the survival of a small group, is a source of extremely increased risk in matters of human survival in general. That is, not only will he die like a dog, but he will also drag a lot of people behind him.
    Hollywood caused damage to people comparable to the world war, only by propaganda of the "victory of a loner". You cannot win alone. It is possible to accidentally survive in a separate skirmish, but in difficult times it is impossible to survive. All these films are disinformation. But they are fixed at the level of deep ideas as a guide to action. When it blows, they are the cause of innumerable deaths.
    Collectivism (not to be confused with "team building" so that the team enriches a clever creator. The method is not suitable)) is contrary to the modern structure of society. We are all working diligently to destroy ourselves.
  18. +3
    17 September 2021 14: 52
    The first problem for the country is capitalism. Man is a wolf to man. Everything is only for oneself, and society will wait if something remains. Who is Zinichev? Officer from the Department of Protection of Senior Officials. Which leader is he? He was removed from the Kaliningrad region six months later, at another job he did not appear in anything, after Puchkov he became the head of the Ministry of Emergencies. The incredible rise in ranks up to Marshal is surprising. Three years on the post of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. For three years, catastrophic fires in Siberia and the Far East, plus floods. They extinguished Europe and Turkey with fanfare. Until the smoke crossed the Urals and the population demanded to save the taiga, then some kind of movement began. In early September, a show with exercises in the Arctic. On the storage bases there are more than STA !!! IL-76. why weren't they thrown in to extinguish the fires? Why didn't they send troops to put out the fires? At least an airborne regiment from each division. Over 17 million hectares burned down! Experts say this is a planetary disaster. And how many living creatures died! Poor bears are now attacking the cities of Siberia, they have nothing to eat.
    General of the Army (the highest rank in Russia) Zinichev could and should have organized everything. Everyone understands that both of them died on a picnic in the deep taiga.
    There are many competent and knowledgeable specialists in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, why was an incompetent person appointed to lead? And the Ministry of Emergency Situations was paraffinized and the FSB disgraced (such are their specialists)
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 17: 20
      On the storage bases there are more than STA !!! IL-76
      - I strongly suspect that there is a shortage of personnel ..
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 20: 12
        All these boards are simply outdated morally and physically - new ones are needed.
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 19: 40
      - Why immediately - to lead? Officially represent (and personify) the Ministry of Emergencies!
      - The management of such colossus is not solely carried out ... Everything mentioned above, perhaps, speaks of a critical shortage of middle-level managers. They bear the brunt of local decision-making. If there is no basis for executing decisions, the brightest ideas "from above" will go to waste ...
      1. 0
        18 September 2021 11: 44
        The fish rots from the head. It is the lower and middle levels that bear the brunt of the fight in emergencies. The Ministry of Emergency Situations was turned into a settling tank for former kegebes and FSB officers. They still know how to spy and eavesdrop, but organizing production and combating disasters is not their lot. What did this general accountant have to offer? From old experience, at least I abandoned agents to find out who is setting fire to the taiga in all places at once. What is this forest mafia. What could he officially represent and personify? FSB or Ministry of Emergency Situations? What kind of monster is this that cannot cope with natural (and maybe sabotage) challenges. Why was the owner of Norilsk Nickel not imprisoned?
        1. -1
          18 September 2021 18: 14
          Quote: V.
          From the old experience, at least he abandoned the agents to find out who is setting fire to the taiga in all places at once.

          Is the fact that taiga burns every year news for you?
        2. 0
          18 September 2021 23: 14
          - To plant the owner of such a production means to bring in his place all the above-mentioned characters ... And then already in Norilsk Nickel people will start falling out of nowhere ...
          "Have you had any accidents at the construction site?"
          "- No."
          "- There will be!" (WITH). smile
    3. 0
      18 September 2021 17: 28
      Quote: V.
      The first problem for the country is capitalism. Man is a wolf to man. Everything is only for oneself, and society will wait if something remains. Who is Zinichev? Officer from the Department of Protection of Senior Officials. Which leader is he? He was removed from the Kaliningrad region six months later, at another job he did not appear in anything, after Puchkov he became the head of the Ministry of Emergencies. The incredible rise in ranks up to Marshal is surprising. Three years on the post of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. For three years, catastrophic fires in Siberia and the Far East, plus floods. They extinguished Europe and Turkey with fanfare. Until the smoke crossed the Urals and the population demanded to save the taiga, then some kind of movement began. In early September, a show with exercises in the Arctic. On the storage bases there are more than STA !!! IL-76. why weren't they thrown in to extinguish the fires? Why didn't they send troops to put out the fires? At least an airborne regiment from each division. Over 17 million hectares burned down! Experts say this is a planetary disaster. And how many living creatures died! Poor bears are now attacking the cities of Siberia, they have nothing to eat.
      General of the Army (the highest rank in Russia) Zinichev could and should have organized everything. Everyone understands that both of them died on a picnic in the deep taiga.
      There are many competent and knowledgeable specialists in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, why was an incompetent person appointed to lead? And the Ministry of Emergency Situations was paraffinized and the FSB disgraced (such are their specialists)

      ===
      straight voice crying. and before the arrival of Zinichev? EMERCOM is like clockwork, and no fires to you, no floods, no other surprises? and here Zinichev, everything went awry. and in the final in the taiga and got lost, or poisoned with a stick, you have a reliable infa !?
      1. 0
        18 September 2021 21: 09
        If floods are still natural phenomena, then fires are more man-made. Especially after the announcement of the ban on the supply of round timber from 2022. The Chinese have inflated prices by coming to Siberia with suitcases of money like the Suleimans to Paris. To hide the felling, the dealers staged a fiery Armageddon. And so the area of ​​fires every year increased by two or three times, and this year a record-17 million hectares. The Emergencies Ministry in Siberia has adopted a purely female position - and what will happen next. Can it be prevented not by the function of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, but by the prosecutor's office, the Ministry of Natural Resources, the FSB, and whoever else? I think that the general of the army could have demanded a couple of IL-76 divisions to bring down the fires in the bud with carpet irrigation, but Turkey, Greece (by the way, NATO members) is closer to him. The most interesting thing is that after the introduction of the ban on the export of round timber, forest fires will stop, although the forest will no longer exist. I want to believe.
        Speaking of picnics. Inspectors, top managers always go to the nature of Siberia (it is very beautiful) and, as a rule, revel until they lose consciousness, this was in Soviet times and even now.
        1. +1
          19 September 2021 07: 14
          Quote: V.
          I think that the general of the army could have demanded a couple of IL-76 divisions in order to knock down the fires in the bud with carpet irrigation

          Firstly, a specially built aircraft is needed to extinguish fires, and secondly, it is easy to extinguish a fire in the bud, but when it flares up even a little, then no aircraft will help here, and the spaces are there, uh-huh.
          Quote: V.
          And so the area of ​​fires every year increased by two or three times, and this year a record-17 million hectares.

          It was very hot this year.
          1. -1
            19 September 2021 07: 40
            You are simply not in the subject of the IL-76's ability. Look on the Internet for the aircraft's fire-fighting equipment, it takes no more than a day to mount. The taiga burned not because it was very hot (in summer it is almost always hot in the taiga), but because they did not want to extinguish or did not know how. By the way, the fires started this year in early spring without any heat. And then by the end of the service the generals have one brain gyrus from their caps. soldier
            1. 0
              19 September 2021 08: 06
              Quote: V.
              You are simply not in the subject of the IL-76's abilities.

              I know, but these planes are busy and to tear them all off for the needs of the Ministry of Emergency Situations means disrupting the work of other structures.
              Quote: V.
              The taiga did not burn because it was very hot (in summer it is almost always hot in the taiga)

              This is how it always burns. Taiga fires are an annual event. Well, the more heat, the more fires.
              1. 0
                19 September 2021 09: 41
                What could be more important than saving the lungs of the country, the planet? Where are you from? You have a farm or kibbutz mindset. You are always justifying the inaction of the Emergencies Ministry and the authorities. We lived in Siberia for three months like in a gas chamber.
                1. 0
                  19 September 2021 11: 42
                  Quote: V.
                  What could be more important than saving the lungs of the country, the planet?

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  This is how it always burns. Fires in the taiga are an annual event.

                  Neither to prevent fires completely nor to extinguish them will still fail.
        2. 0
          20 September 2021 10: 44
          Quote: V.
          And so the area of ​​fires increased every year in two or three times, and this year a record -17 million hectares. The Emergencies Ministry in Siberia has adopted a purely female position - and what will happen next.

          ===
          but what has zinichev got to do with it? and Petrov, Sidorov and others. and the service in the field, all headless?

          Quote: V.
          Speaking of picnics. Inspectors, senior managers always go to the nature of Siberia, (it is very beautiful) and generally drunk until they lose consciousness, it was in Soviet times and even now

          ===
          in this case is the fact proven / shown? no, so with "usually" you have to wait. it will become clear later, why throw everything in a heap.

          well, and according to zinichev. I didn't sit in a chair, more and more on business trips. and business and other qualities - this is a question for colleagues and people who know him.
          1. -1
            21 September 2021 12: 43
            In Russia, they are building a vertical of power, so let them bear responsibility from the head, otherwise the switchman is again to blame. There is a fact-burning taiga throughout the country, where are the business qualities of Zinichev? He has firefighters and his own aviation, and his own large troops, and where is the result? He is like Napoleon who burned Moscow and crashed.
            1. 0
              21 September 2021 19: 12
              Quote: V.
              In Russia, they are building a vertical of power, so let them bear responsibility from the head, otherwise the switchman is to blame again... There is a fact-burning taiga throughout the country, where are the business qualities of Zinichev? He has firefighters and his own aviation, and his own large troops, and where is the result? He is like Napoleon who burned Moscow and crashed.

              ===
              small and big begins. someone threw a match, someone set it on fire, and someone was too lazy to go and check
              1. -1
                22 September 2021 11: 08
                Uncle are you an idiot? You do not know the science of management at all and you have no experience in management. Pouring from empty to empty.
                1. 0
                  22 September 2021 20: 24
                  Quote: V.
                  Uncle are you an idiot? You do not know the science of management at all and you have no experience in management. Pouring from empty to empty.

                  ===
                  Well, yes, I graduated from the Faculty of Management. quickly your gut crawled out. good luck.
  19. 0
    17 September 2021 17: 50
    Consider also such a small thing as price increases. As practice shows, there is only profit for business, so prices for everything will soar immediately 2-3 times. There is a corresponding life experience.
    And compare the prices of disposable masks before and after the COVID epidemic.
  20. 0
    17 September 2021 20: 56
    Quote: Dart2027
    I remind you it was just shooting in nature and no one was going to get into the water.

    So nature photography or exercise?
    The site has professionals from the investigating authorities.
    What is the next question to ask?
    Or not worth it?
    1. 0
      18 September 2021 07: 43
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      So nature photography or exercise?
      The site has professionals from the investigating authorities.

      Quote: Dart2027
      There was just filming, exercises were in several regions.

      Have you tried to read what has already been written?
      1. 0
        18 September 2021 20: 50
        The site is not very chronological.
        1. 0
          19 September 2021 07: 15
          Quote: Ua3qhp
          keeps chronology

          The point is not in chronology, but in the fact that this question has already been asked ten times and answered the same number of times.
          1. 0
            19 September 2021 13: 17
            This question has been asked ten times, but most likely there will be no answer.
            1. 0
              19 September 2021 13: 41
              Quote: Ua3qhp
              This question has been asked ten times

              Quote: Dart2027
              There was just filming, exercises were in several regions.

              That is, formally, he died in the exercises.
  21. 0
    17 September 2021 23: 12
    In the photo about "Moscow Summer Floods" some hard workers are standing in WINTER overalls near a pile of snow.
  22. 0
    19 September 2021 16: 51
    [quote] [US National Awareness Month is celebrated every September "to raise awareness of the importance of preparing for natural disasters and emergencies that may occur at any time."
    / quote] Apparently the residents and officials of New Orleans missed these months and were not ready for natural disasters