Geopolitical mosaic: Europe serves Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and Hillary Clinton is tipped to become US president in 2016

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"Open the gates of Guantanamo ..." Vladimir Putin does not believe that Russia should reconsider its position on Syria, reports Rosbalt.

In an interview with Russia Today, the president said: “In our opinion, the most important thing today is to stop the violence, make all parties to the conflict (and the government part, and the so-called rebels, the armed opposition) sit down at the negotiating table, determine the future that ensures the safety of all participants of the internal political process, and only after that proceed to some practical steps regarding the internal structure of the country itself. ”

According to Comrade Putin, the top priority is to stop the supply of weapons in the conflict zone. In addition, you can not impose development options that are unacceptable for Syria.

The Russian president said that someone would like to use Al-Qaeda fighters or people from other organizations, who also have extreme views about achieving their own goals in Syria. Putin pointed out: “This is a very dangerous and short-sighted policy. But then you need to take now and open the gates of Guantanamo and from there start all the prisoners of Guantanamo to Syria, let them fight. After all, in fact it is the same. Just do not forget that then these citizens will strike their benefactors. ”

How the West became a satellite of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, or the Islamist winter

In the article by Alain Shue and Georges Mallbrune, "The West is naive or just does not know much about Syria?" ("Le Figaro", France; source of translation - "InoSMI") an analysis of the situation around Syria, belonging to the former high-ranking representative of French intelligence. The opinion of Alain Shue, an expert on Syria with more than forty years of experience, runs counter to the demagogic rhetoric of Western European politicians, including the snappy statements of the French President F. Hollande.

Geopolitical mosaic: Europe serves Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and Hillary Clinton is tipped to become US president in 2016


The expression "Arab Spring" Alain Shue replaces the phrase "Islamist winter." Referring to the revolt in Sidi Bouzid 17 of December 2010, he writes that the fire spread from Tunisia to Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Yemen and, finally, Syria. But, in his opinion, those who believe that these protests and popular movements are the fruit of the activity of active groups in social networks are fundamentally wrong. Indeed, in these countries only an “advanced” minority has access to the Internet, and censorship is developed there. It can be, for example, simply about the division of wealth. And we must not forget that all these insurrections and revolutions of the Arab world are interconnected by financing from Qatar and other monarchies of the Persian Gulf, as well as the active participation of the Muslim Brotherhood. The consequences are already visible in Tunisia and Libya, and will soon manifest themselves in Egypt. So says the analyst.

In his opinion, this is about the power of religious fundamentalists. For some half a year, the “Arab Spring” managed to turn into an “Islamist winter”.

But how did it happen, the author wonders, that Europe has supported movements that act not only against the interests of nations, but also against its interests? After all, the movement of "winter" to a new form of hidden submission does not bode well for the future.

Concerning the Syrian conflict, Shue takes the position opposite to the generally accepted Western views. In the West, the analyst says, public opinion is in most cases “distinguished by enthusiasm and naivety.”

After all, only a naive person, the expert writes, is able to believe that in a state half a century under dictatorial regimes, freedom and democracy suddenly jumped out like a genie from a bottle - only because Syria has the Internet. The analyst recalls that the network can be used in Syria by a small minority, and among the most privileged segments of society.

The author recalls that after the popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, the Islamist parties, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis received the overwhelming majority of parliamentary seats. Today they are moving further and further away from the demands of the people who brought them to power.

“They are experienced hypocrites,” says Alain Shue, “and their actions are fundamentally contrary to their statements. So, in 2011, on the Tahrir Square in Egypt, they argued that they didn’t seek power at all, whereas today they are trying to achieve the presidency of the country, the parliamentary majority and all the political power. In Tunisia, they officially refused to include Sharia law in the constitution, but now they organize in provinces and cities of medium importance, which do not attract the attention of the Western media, religious committees to implement sharia-based resolutions. ”

These movements receive generous funding from Saudi Arabia and Qatar (for which they are the key to dominance in the Arab world). They have all the means to purchase, support, and form an electorate capable of consolidating their dominant position in relation to scattered and poor democratic forces. “Disorder reigns in Libya and Yemen,” the author writes. “After NATO forces far exceeded their UN mandate and destroyed the not too plausible regime of Colonel Gaddafi, the country became hostage to the appetites of rival gangs and tribes, who decided to defend their possessions and access to rent with arms. The ephemeral Transitional National Council, which praised the notorious Bernard-Henri Levy, is now falling to pieces under the blows of the leaders of Islamist gangs. Some of them are al-Qaida's former militants who receive support and funding from Qatar: Doha intends to play an active role in resolving all issues and get its share in the development of the country's hydrocarbon resources. ”

For all his criticism of Western positions, a French expert who lived in Syria for several years and regularly happens there for 45 years (that is, he knows her better than Western journalists who have spent several hours in Damascus and set up two dozen reports later). I am not delighted with how the Syrian society is organized: “From the end of the 1970-s, I had a lot of work to meet with representatives of the Syrian civilian and military special services. I could personally make sure that they do not shy away from the toughest means and can simply behave like savages. The point is not that they understand human rights differently from us. They do not understand any human rights at all ... "Why? Shue explains this syrian historyfull of cruelty. The current power in Syria, the French analyst describes as "authoritarian, brutal and closed regime."

However, Shue says, the Syrian regime is not the dictatorship of one person or family. Bashar Asad - the tip of a complex community iceberg. Two million Alawites are determined to fight for their survival, and several million different minorities will fight with them, who may lose a lot due to the Islamists coming to power (and this, the author suggests, is the only political future of the region that considers West).

Alain Shue recalls that the Syrian National Council demonstrated the true intentions and aspirations in Syria by repainting the national flag. The red color on the flag of Syria embodies the socialist aspirations of the regime, the author writes. But the SNA - immediately after its creation - replaced the red stripe with the green color of Islamism. “You yourself could be convinced of this,” says Shue, “during opposition demonstrations, in which frenzied cries of“ Allah Akbar! ”Are heard more often than democratic slogans. With all this, the Muslim Brotherhood’s dominant position in the SNS, which was provided by the Turkish AKP and the US Department of State, is beginning to irritate almost all players ”(including the opposition within the opposition: for example, Kurds who belong to the SNS: Kurds are not Arabs, and therefore the Arabs look down on them, and America, through the mouth of the State Department, recommends obeying the Muslim Brotherhood).

The West, led by France, the author believes, has offered the vulnerable Syrian minorities nothing but “peremptory condemnation and often hysterical anathema, ensuring everywhere (political and sometimes military) the rise to power of Islamists and the dominance of theocratic states that support political Salafism” . What next? But: “Oil theocracies got rid of (certainly not too virtuous) leaders of Arab nationalism, such as Saddam Hussein, Ben Ali, Mubarak and Gaddafi ... Now they are no longer prevented from gaining control over the League of Arab States with their petrodollars and turn it into a means of pressure on the international community and the UN to support fundamentalist political movements that strengthen their legitimacy and protect against any form of democratic protest. "

But the West is something? .. Shue is surprised: “Much more questions are caused by the desire of the West to establish integrist regimes everywhere, in which there is even less democracy than in the dictatorships they have replaced. Although the West is so eager to condemn Islamism on its own territory, this does not prevent it from stimulating such maneuvers in the Muslim and Arab world. ” Europe does not care about Bahrain, Mali, the killing of Nigerian Christians by the Boko Haram troops, or the kidnapping of four International Criminal Court employees by Libyan "revolutionaries", but she also yells about the Assad regime, which has not yet been replaced by "democracy." Where is the logic, where is the common sense? The author writes about the "incomprehensible schizophrenia of our politicians and the media," and says that "the massive investments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia into our economy" serve to raise barbarism, which, whatever the Europeans might think about it, can harm them.

Thus, let us add on our own, the expert is convinced of the “naivety” of the West, or prefers the mentioned “naivety” to be replaced by “incomprehensible schizophrenia”. There is no doubt, schizophrenia and naivety in advanced Western society is enough, but Comrade Shue forgot about the transatlantic monster-puppeteer, who has long been accustomed to pull the strings of geopolitics, comfortably settled in the White House. If Saudi Arabia and Qatar (Turkey ought to be added here) consider themselves serious players in the international arena, then this is only due to their imaginary friendship with the United States, whose interests are in world hegemony. Once chaos in the Arab world reaches the desired degree (almost reached), neither Saudi Arabia, nor Qatar, nor even the omnipresent Al Qaeda will be needed by America. A crumbling “gerontocracy” among the Saudis will be an excellent reason for a change of power in Riyadh - judging by the time of year, not by the “Arab spring”, but by the “Islamist winter”.

Crisis Europe (and in France, not the worst country in the economic sense, unemployment has already surpassed the 10% of the active population), albeit united in the European Union, does not have its own policy, clearly distinguished from the policy of the United States. If Hollande says something, then he consults with the CIA. If Levi told his friend Sarkozy to recognize the Libyan PNS, then he knew that America wanted it. Europe is secondary in everything, and America is primary. Hillary Clinton is the master's voice!

The difference between Western Europe and Sadovsk Arabia and Qatar is that if the latter are relatively rich oil and gas powers that can fully sponsor Islamist revolutions, Europe (excluding Germany) is drowning in the abyss of the economic crisis and hopes to snatch at least a tiny bit when redistributing the arab world.

Especially do not count on it! The Department of State sausage will be eaten by itself, while the French will, at best, get the skin and trim.

"Nothing but death, fear and chaos." Recently, the Catholic nun Agnès-Mariam de la Croix, the mother superior of the monastery of Saint-Jacques de l'Intercis, who has lived in Syria for more than 20 years, addressed the world community, reports "Holy Mountain".

This nun became famous after exposing the lies of the world media who blamed the killing of civilians in the city of Hula on the Syrian authorities. Agnes-Mariam, relying on the testimony of the congregation's parishioners, accused the Islamist mercenaries of mass extermination of civilians.

Militants, according to the nuns, “at any time, one person or another can be liquidated, accusing him of collaborating with the authorities ... Last week, in the village where our monastery is located, the person accused of complicity with the regime was cut off his fingers and then his head. The unfortunate was cut into pieces and laid right on the road, so that even small children could see him.

Such barbaric acts are weakly matched with the statement that there is a struggle for the liberation of the Syrian people. ”

“In desperation,” said the nun, “we are led by the fact that the Western world actually supports the growth of religious fanaticism and violence, wanting at any cost to change the power in Syria ...

Leave the people of Syria alone. You have brought us nothing but death, fear and chaos. ”

About some exaggerations. Ilya Plekhanov ("InoSMI") Criticized NBC News information about Turkey’s possible transfer of two dozen MANPADS to the Syrian rebels. The source of such an “information bomb” turned out to be anonymous Syrian “insurgents”. Turkey did not respond to the accusations, but the world media happily picked up the story. The hype went further: recently, the rebels said they would shoot down civilian aircraft over Damascus and Aleppo.

Even the Russian Foreign Ministry reacted to this duck. “The Syrian armed opposition now threatens to shoot down civilian aircraft in Syria. This is the result of an irresponsible transfer of MANPADS into their hands, ”wrote Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov in his Twitter.

However, American military journalist Chivers and journalist Damien Splitters, after conducting a study, rendered their verdict: the insurgents have some components of the Strela-2 MANPADS (they are visible in the photographs and video filming of the rebels). But almost everywhere there is no power supply complexes. Experts also believe that the main source of MANPADS - looted warehouses of the Syrian army.

Therefore, the hype around the MANPADS of the Syrian rebels and the transfer of their complexes from Turkey can be considered exaggerated.

What is common to Gaddafi, the CIA, MI-5 and MI-6. The international human rights organization Human Rights Watch has worked closely with the secret archives of Muammar Gaddafi. After the overthrow of the regime, the documents became “ownerless”. But human rights activists drew attention to the headings on the folders in which it was written "United States" and "United Kingdom", transmit "Vesti".

After examining the folders, HRW employees found out that 8 years, from 2003 to 2011, the CIA, MI5 and MI6 worked for Gaddafi, catching and transporting his enemies to Tripoli. The documents also contained evidence of captured Libyans, who said that they had been tortured by the American and British intelligence services.

Human rights activists blamed the United States for aiding the dictatorial regime and human rights violations.

The CIA did not deny cooperation with the intelligence services of Gaddafi and said that it was common practice for intelligence agencies to cooperate with foreign governments in the fight against terrorism.

As for torture, they were used only against those involved in the September 11 act of terrorism, and among them there were no Libyans.

From the UK, a statement was received that they were always against torture.

If Israel hits Iran, then Iran will hit America. Uliana Gortinskaya ("But") told about the statement of Hassan Nasrallah. The Hezbollah leader, in an interview with the Beirut television channel Al Mayadeen, referring to representatives of the Iranian authorities, said that Iran could strike at US military facilities in the Middle East if Israel strikes at Iranian nuclear facilities, even if the Americans do not will have a relationship.

Nasrallah said: “The decision to retaliate has been made, and the answer will be very decisive. The strike will be inflicted not only on the territory of Israel, the target will be American bases throughout the region. If Israel strikes at Iran, America will be held accountable. ”

Israel has no more secrets. As transmits "Lenta.ru" With reference to The Jerusalem Post, Israeli parliamentary opposition leader Shaul Mofaz (the Kadima party) demanded that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu be checked in the lie detector. This statement was the reaction of the deputy to the scandal caused by leaks to the press of information from the meeting of the "security cabinet", at which the Iranian topic was discussed.

The fact is that the prime minister, outraged by the publication of meeting data, demanded that the Israeli security service (“Shin Bet”) investigate and find the source of the leak. To this end, he proposed to subject all people present at the meeting to a lie detector.

This question angered the opposition. She believes that it is the prime minister, in pursuit of his political goals, that he “drains” information to journalists. Mofaz said: "The Prime Minister must be the first to be checked, since he presided over the meeting."

Lenta reminds that on Tuesday the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot published an article “The intelligence services cannot agree on Iran.” The material stated that at the meeting of the “Security Cabinet” military intelligence, Mossad and Shin Bet presented completely different assessments of the Iranian nuclear program. They failed to develop a unified point of view on exactly when Iran reaches the “point of no return”.

In Pakistan, child advocates do not complain. Pakistani authorities demanded that all foreign employees of the international organization Save the Children (“Save the Children”) leave the country within a week, reports "Lenta.ru" with reference to The Guardian.

Pakistani authorities claim that they have evidence of the organization’s assistance to the American special services during the operation to eliminate Osama bin Laden.

Rescuers of children are suspected of organizing a meeting of Americans with Pakistani doctor Shakil Afridi. According to Pakistani intelligence, it was Afridi who organized the fake vaccination of the residents of Abbottabad, where bin Laden was hiding, to get a sample of his DNA, and also provided the United States with information about the whereabouts of the terrorist. After being arrested in 2011, Afridi was sentenced to 33 years of imprisonment for high treason.

A representative of Save the Children said that Afridi did not work in the organization, and the organization was not involved in vaccination in Abbottabad.

In February 2012 of the year, reports Lenta, the book Team: Inside the Presidential Secret Army was published in the United States. Its authors claimed that after the 2005 earthquake in Pakistan, the victims of which were 70, thousands of people, dozens of CIA agents were sent to the country - just under the guise of rescuers and humanitarian workers.

The influence of the SCO is growing. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization is acting in opposition to the US influence in Afghanistan. This was reported to journalists on Thursday in Moscow after a meeting with teachers of the Academy of the General Staff, the former head of the inter-agency intelligence of Pakistan, Lieutenant-General Asad Durrani, reports RIA News".

Durrani visited Russia with a private visit. "The actions of the SCO are aimed at neutralizing the influence of the United States in Afghanistan," he said.

Durrani also stressed that the influence of the SCO in the region is growing. “The main idea is that while the SCO will act not by military means, its influence will grow,” the general noted.

Supporters of Assange want their money back. Supporters of the founder of WikiLeaks, British cultural figures and media representatives who pledged for his release, probably lost 340 thousand pounds sterling: after all, Assange violated the conditions of release on bail. This was related by Daria Sheremetyeva (Utro.ru).

Among the “victims” are socialite Jemima Khan, journalist John Pilger, director Ken Loach, publisher Felix Dennis, and others. These people paid more than 200 thousand pounds as a guarantee after the arrest of Assange in 2010. They already lost their money, which were confiscated in favor of the state.

Nine people who acted as guarantors of the pledge now appealed to the Main Magistrates Court to try to get the money back. These people contributed amounts from 5 to 20 thousand pounds as a guarantee.

The newspaper “The Guardian” quotes a lawyer for the victims: “No one could have imagined that Assange would violate the conditions for going on bail. Given that the situation with Ecuador has not yet been resolved, perhaps you should wait and see what happens next. ”

Judge Howard Riddle invited the guarantors to ask Assange, who lives in the Ecuadorian embassy, ​​to surrender to the British authorities.

Thus, we add from ourselves, suddenly a lever was found to effectively influence Assange: the wallets of prudent guarantors.

About Quebec arrow. Richard Baine, who opened fire at a separatist party congress in Quebec, was charged in the Montreal court with premeditated murder and attempted murder, reports "Lenta.ru" with reference to France-Presse.

The hearing will be held on October 1. In addition to murder and attempted murder, the shooter was accused of illegal possession of weapons. Three pistols were found in his car and even more than ten in his home. According to Reuters, the car even had five pistols, and at home there were more than 20.

Baine shot at the Quebec Party's 4 September convention in Montreal. As a result of the shooting, one person was killed and one was wounded. The shooter was wearing a blue bathrobe and a black balaclava.

The murderer turned out to be a local English-speaking businessman who has been fishing and hunting since 2009. The motives behind the act of Bane are still unknown.

Canada broke off diplomatic relations with Iran. Canada closes embassy in Tehran and breaks off all diplomatic relations with this country, reports RBC with reference to the Associated Press. Iranian diplomats in Canada have been given five days to leave the country.

A statement by the head of the Canadian Foreign Ministry, John Byrd, says: “Canada regards the Iranian government as the most serious threat to security in the modern world. Under these conditions, Canada can no longer maintain a diplomatic presence in Iran. ”

Among the reasons that prompted Canada to end diplomatic contacts with Iran, Mr. Baird called Iran’s nuclear program, Tehran’s hostility toward Israel (a longtime ally of Canada), and finally, military support for the Bashar Assad regime.

In China, they talked with Hillary Clinton and announced the change of power in Syria. China officially expressed support for a change of political power in Syria, but against foreign intervention, reports "Lenta.ru" with reference to Reuters.

After talks with the US secretary of state in Beijing, Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said: "We, like many other countries, fully support the idea of ​​a peaceful transfer of power in Syria."

At the same time, Beijing opposes the repetition of the Libyan scenario and external intervention.

As for the visit of Clinton to China, then "InoSMI" submitted an interesting selection of comments from Chinese bloggers on this grateful topic:

“The big show has begun. Syria is over, now the US hands are free. ”

"Until! You can never come back! ”

"Hillary has come to breed China again!" The higher the level of American officials, the worse they breed, and their words are worth less! ”

"China will not be the mistress of the United States."

“Everywhere they drive in wedges, kindle a fire according to the principle“ the worse, the better. ”

"China's 1,3 billionth is not happy with it, the instigator of instability in the APR, the devil and the instigator of military rivalry in different countries."

"Spit on their American government, they themselves do not respect human rights, everywhere they plant confusion, they are disgusting in their nakedness."

"Americans cannot sexually satisfy Hillary, the United States has almost entered the era of female domination."

“I wonder how Clinton came to China? Usually like: did filth - joy to the heart, isn't it? You got into the problem of the Diaoyu and the South China Sea, and are you doing well at home? ”

“Let this doll clearly understand our boundaries, or demolish its arrogant head with artillery fire!”

“When will the president of the United States become a Chinese? Then all the Chinese people would be happy to support him! ”

"Stupid sheep! You have to blame yourself, not enough pushiness. We give her money, and she also beats us. ”

"A good friend is greeted with wine, and a wolf with a hunting rifle."

Comments are superfluous.

Georgian friend Rasmussen. As handed 6 September correspondent ITAR-TASS Tengiz Pachkoria, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, while in Tbilisi at a joint press conference with the president, said that Georgia "will become a member of NATO," and no country has the right to interfere in the decisions of the alliance.

He stressed: “If the goal of the 2008 conflict of the year was to interfere in NATO’s decision on the open-door policy, to intervene in the expansion policy, I want to assure that this goal has not been achieved. No third country has the right to interfere in the decisions of the alliance. ”

He also expressed the hope that Russia will respect the decision of the independent states on the alliance with NATO.

Good Kuril news. Completed 3-day expedition to the nameless islands of the Kuril ridge, passes Interfax.

On Thursday, expedition members landed on boats on two islands that are located near the island. Shikotan. The third island could not be visited because of the deteriorating weather.

The expedition, which went on the ship “Igor Farkhutdinov”, included 140 people (scientists, journalists and members of the public: doctors, teachers, artists) from Sakhalin and other regions of the Far Eastern Federal District and the Russian Federation. The expedition was organized by the regional government and the Sakhalin regional branch of the Russian Geographical Society.

As Pavel Sviridov writes ("TVNZ"), around Sakhalin islands with no name - near 90, in the Kuril Islands - a little less than 200. Therefore, in the middle of August, a contest was announced for Russians “Name on the map of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands” (rosostrova.ru).

The “top” names offered include: Igor Farkhutdinov, Anton Chekhov, Yuri Nikulin, Anatoly Papanov, Sergey Kapitsa, Andrei Mironov, Georgy Nevelskoy, Yuri Gagarin, Alexander Pushkin. Participants in the competition support the proposal of the historian Nikolai Vishnevsky to name the nameless islands of all fourteen Heroes of the Soviet Union who participated in the liberation of Sakhalin and the Kuriles in August 1945 of the year.

September 3 Scientific Advisory Board summed up the first voting results. The first three nameless islands decided to name the names of Sergey Kapitsa, the untimely deceased Sakhalin Oblast Governor Igor Farkhutdinov and the Hero of the Soviet Union, the commander of the Kuril landing operation 1945, Alexei Gnechko.

On mutual understanding of Lavrov and Clinton. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed an intergovernmental memorandum of understanding on cooperation in the Antarctic and a joint statement on strengthening Russian-American interregional cooperation yesterday at the APEC summit in Vladivostok, "Vesti" with reference to ITAR-TASS.

The memorandum provides for regular consultations between Russia and the United States on the implementation of the objectives and principles of the Antarctic Treaty 1959 of the year, involves cooperation in the field of scientific research, the exchange of experts, information and increased interaction in expeditionary activities. In addition, it is assumed that the United States and Russia will continue to jointly inspect stations of third states in order to monitor compliance with the Antarctic demilitarization regime and environmental compliance. The first such inspection, reminiscent of "Vesti", took place in January 2012, on the basis of the American station. The next one is scheduled for the end of the year, it will be held on the basis of the Russian Novolazarevskoye station.

Also, the heads of the foreign affairs agencies adopted a statement on cooperation between Russia and the United States in the Bering Strait region. The document also concerns the creation of the Berengia nature reserve in Chukotka and Alaska.

Finally, Hillary Clinton said that the visa facilitation agreement (effective September 9) is of particular importance for relations between the two countries. She called this agreement very important for Russian-American relations. Now, thanks to visa liberalization, it will be more convenient for businessmen in the United States and Russia to make business trips.

Obama is true to the idea of ​​"reloading." As transmits Rosbaltreferring to the RSN, US President Barack Obama promised, in the event of re-election, to continue the "reset" with Russia. So it says in the program of the Congress of the US Democratic Party.

Obama expressed a wish for Washington and Moscow to work together on a plan to reduce nuclear arsenals. Together, the United States and Russia can achieve a worldwide ban on nuclear testing.

Earlier it was reported that the pre-election ratings of Barack Obama and his rival Republican Mitt Romney caught up (results of a Reuters / Ipsos poll published on September 2). For both candidates for the presidency are ready to cast votes on 45% of voters.

Million for blackmailers. How to transmit "Vesti" With reference to the media, the attackers stole Mitt Romney's income data and now promise to return it for a million dollar reward. Otherwise they will transfer the papers to the press.

The secret service is already investigating this case.

The blackmailers claim that they stole the data of M. Romney from the office of PricewaterhouseCoopers. At night, they entered the building of the company and copied all the tax returns from the computer.

By the way, Mitt Romney refutes everything, but rumors about his dislike for the tax authorities, “Vesti” is noted, have been around for a long time ...

Twitter suicide Barack Obama arrested. The US Secret Service arrested a man who threatened to kill Obama during a Democratic Party convention in Charlotte specialist. correspondent ITAR-TASS Dmitry Kirsanov and Ivan Lebedev.

On Thursday, US authorities reported on the arrest of 21-year-old local resident Donte Jamar Sims, who posted on the Twitter account of plans to attack the head of state.

In particular, this Mr. wrote that "tonight will kill President Obama." A record full of mistakes appeared on Monday, one day before the opening of the convention and two days before arriving in Obama.

During interrogation, Sims admitted that he made an entry on Twitter, smoking marijuana. However, he did not hide the fact that he hates the president. However, frightened by the court, he wrote an apology.

If a marijuana smoker is found guilty, he can get a prison sentence of up to five years.

"Millennium of Darkness" for America. American actor Chuck Norris and his wife believe that America will have a thousand years of darkness if the current president is re-elected. Norris stated this in a video message, which he recorded with his wife and posted on Youtube, writes Cyril Rozhkov (Utro.ru).

“Our great country and our freedom are under threat,” said C. Norris. “We are at a turning point, and our country, as we know it, can be lost forever if we do not change the course in which it moves.”

Chuck does not like the fact that the country "is following the path of socialism or something worse."

Obama’s victory will be the first step in the Millennium of Darkness, the actor’s wife adds.

Republican Norris, notes Morning, has long criticized Obama’s policies. For example, in 2009, in his column on a conservative site, the actor said that if Medicare (Obama’s health care reform), which makes medical care available to most Americans, was held in Bethlehem, Jesus would not have been born, because Mary could would afford an abortion.

Rich Norris, a supporter of rich Romney, should know, for example, how many Americans can now afford medical expenses, and how many medical debtors have accumulated in a “great country” that supposedly took the course of “the road of socialism”.

83.046 dollars for three hours in the hospital. American journalist Michael Snyder ("Infowars") just a lot is known about what and how much is in shtatovskoy medicine.

The fastest way to go broke in America, he writes, is to go to the hospital. It seems that today every American has outrageous hospital stories that he is ready to share.

For example, recently a woman from Arizona was hospitalized with 83046 $ for 3 hours of visits.

Snyder believes that a visit to the doctor should not cost more than a couple hundred bucks, and a hospital stay is no more than a couple thousand dollars.

41 is a percentage of all Americans working, he recalls, owed medicine. “This is because our health care system has turned into a giant money-pumping scam.” Millions of Americans are treated, and then get incredible, outrageous bills - and in many cases, brutal debt collection methods are used against them.

“So why should we pay so much for medical care? Back in 1980, less than 10 percent of US GDP went to health care. Today, about 18 percent of US GDP goes to healthcare. ”

Snyder also writes about the aging of the nation: “... over the next 20 years, the number of Americans at the age of 65 and older is predicted to double ...” That is, the costs will increase even more.

America spent 2470 billions on health care in 2009. The journalist predicts that “we will spend 4500 billion dollars on health care in 2019 year”.

Moreover, Snyder does not believe that Obama’s Medicare program will correct the situation. After all, the American "system is completely broken ..." What is the way out? Here it is: "... quit the whole system and start all over again."

So, the journalist is talking about a rotten system. He illustrates the decay with the example of 52-year-old Marcy Edmonds, who went to a hospital in the state of Arizona in order to undergo treatment after a scorpion bite.

She called the Poison Control Center, where she was advised to go to the nearest hospital, Chandler Regional Medical Center. At the hospital, an emergency doctor told her about the Anascorp antidote, which can quickly relieve her symptoms. According to Edmonds, the doctor did not tell her about the cost of the drug or alternative treatment.

After three hours, she felt better, and she was discharged from the hospital. A few weeks later, she received an 83046 $ bill from the Chandler Regional Medical Center. The dose of Anascorp was worth 39652 $!

But Snyder was much more struck by the fact that for a similar dose of the same drug, hospitals in Mexico take only 100 $.

Snyder cites other “small” accounts of Americans in the article: one healed from osteochondrosis at 66013,40 $, the other had digestion upset (in fact, was not even upset) that he had flown into 11000 dollars - because of which he was declared bankrupt.

It was estimated, Snyder writes further, that American hospitals, by inflating prices, rob their patients by about 10 billion dollars each year.

And bloated medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcies of ordinary Americans. Moreover, the insurance protects little: about 75% of bankrupts did have medical insurance.

And if you don’t pay bills, the journalist says, many hospitals will chase you mercilessly. Special collection agencies tried to get unpaid medical bills for about thirty million Americans in 2010 alone! These guys can put you in jail!

Yes, the system is no good ... A patient in Illinois was presented with 12712 $ (cataract surgery), and Medicare only gives 675 $ for this. In California, the patient was billed at 20120 $ (knee surgery), but according to Medicare, he will receive only 584 $. In Jersey, the patient decided to take 72000 $ for back surgery, but Medicare only covers 1629 $.

Thus, the author sums up, “we not only pay very high taxes in order to support the Medicaid and Medicare insurance programs, but also have to pay higher medical bills ...”

“We are facing the greatest health crisis in the United States,” writes the journalist, “like whom they have never seen before. And none of our leaders seem to give an answer. ”

Snyder sums it up: “I absolutely dislike the state of our health care system. It is ruled by government officials, pharmaceutical corporations and large health insurance companies. This is a huge money scam, this desire to pump out as much as possible from all of us ... "

For Chuck Norris, let us add, Romney’s associate (for both a few tens of thousands of dollars is nothing), there is simply no acute question of bankruptcy. As for corporations, it is known that Mitt Romney is a big business fan himself, because big business, in the opinion of his and his supporters, pays and the biggest taxes. From whose pocket these taxes are taken, Romney, like the Republicans in general, wisely does not specify.

President Clinton? Corr. RIA "News" Maria Tabak reported that the speech of Bill Clinton, who supported the current head of state Barack Obama at the Democratic Party convention, raised in the United States the question of nominating Clinton's wife as president in 2016.

The ex-president said that he was proud of his wife, and he was also grateful to the Obama team: after all, with these people America became stronger, and in the world she had more partners, and fewer enemies.

Bill's wife liked the speech. Interestingly, the words of the ex-president about her seemed to many not just an appropriate insert in speech. Several prominent members of the Democratic Party immediately declared that Hillary had a good chance of being elected in 2016.

Colorado's governor, Democrat John Hickenlooper, told reporters bluntly: “At least half of those who are now called potential candidates for nomination in 2016, will give up their claims if she chooses to be elected. There is no doubt about that. ”

Jamie Harrison, deputy chairman of the Democratic Party’s office in South Carolina, said that if H. Clinton went to the polls, the main struggle would be for the vice-president’s place. There will be no competitors near Clinton within the game. And the head of the Democratic Party of South. Caroline Dick Harputlyan said: “I supported Barak in 2008, and now I will wait for her. Talk now only about her.

No wonder, add on my own. IN USA there is talk that America is not ruled by Obama proper, but by Hillary Clinton. The Iraqi solution is its solution. The Syrian decision, if, of course, it follows, will also be its decision. Why would Hillary not end his long political career with such a brilliant finale? In this case, journalists will not have to put forward versions of the disadvantaged Barack Obama, who, like Bill Clinton, writes Hillary - the same frantic secretary of state, whose main slogan is: "Assad must go." Analysts will not have to wrestle with their thoughts, which is why “we say“ Obama ”, we mean“ Clinton ”. Complete harmony will come to Washington: Clinton's vigorous theories will no longer disagree with the sluggish practice of the White House.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. +6
    8 September 2012 09: 52
    thanks for the review. a lot of sad and disturbing in the world.
    and the amas, you see, have completely degraded, if Billikh became president. we had a "friend bill", there will be a "friend hill"
    Well, Europe itself is no longer happy, in my opinion, that it is bogged down in "Arab springs". done, and now the veins themselves are shaking
    1. +1
      8 September 2012 11: 21
      Quote: andrei332809
      Well, Europe itself is no longer happy, in my opinion, that it is bogged down in "Arab springs". done, and now the veins themselves are shaking

      So they need it! We wanted to play police, let them disentangle themselves!
      1. Slayer
        +3
        8 September 2012 14: 41
        We do not have problems with medetsina alone))))
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        +1
        8 September 2012 19: 20
        There is no normal presidential candidate!
        With J. Kennedy, Not One Good President! fellow

        Why did it happen?

        And with the fact that: lie in the impudent, give black to white, no one wants to!
        No, this is so much obvious to merikos, and fat drives such bliss!
        What is more - decency, shame or Laziness to fight for the decency of the country? belay feel
        How you "licked" AMERICA! wassat
        A hotbed of evil, filth, meanness. Empire of Evil !!!!!!!!!!!!!! am
    2. Kaa
      +2
      8 September 2012 15: 23
      Quote: andrei332809
      we had a "friend bill", there will be a "friend hill"

      "Friend Bill" had a trainee Monica, what are the trainee predictions for "Friend Hill"? Maybe a thread of "vigorous Russian peasant" to start cooking? laughing
    3. denn
      +1
      8 September 2012 19: 01
      I think she is not completely self-involved and fits into all political intrigues that seem to be not at all beneficial to her. The United States, as always, does everything with someone else's hands, but they themselves seem to have nothing to do with. Europe together with "the whole" world in the US occupation.

      PS I do not condone Europe
  2. PatriotizTAT
    +5
    8 September 2012 09: 57
    How embarrassing are these various treaties with the United States, and the exercises do not cause anything but caution ... well, what the hell is friendship ??! They surround us, and we are friends .... ??! Somehow this is not our way! stop
  3. +3
    8 September 2012 10: 31
    How the West became a satellite of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, or the Islamist winter

    I did not search for this keyword for long and finally found but use in another context the Quote-After all, only a naive person, the expert writes, is able to believe that in a state that has been under the rule of dictatorial regimes for half a century, freedom and democracy have suddenly popped up, like a genie from a bottle

    The United States and the West do not fully imagine what kind of genie they released from the bottle ......... and now they are unlikely to be able to drive it back .. That's when their own shandarahnet will appeal to Russia and China for help.

    "Nothing but death, fear and chaos."

    Nothing but death, fear. Chaos and complement without limit..

    About some exaggerations

    Desa in action ..

    What is common to Gaddafi, the CIA, MI-5 and MI-6.

    He knew too much.

    If Israel hits Iran, then Iran will hit America.

    Boxers in the ring but in different weight categories.


    Israel has no more secrets.

    Secret to the whole world. There was such a children's film.


    The influence of the SCO is growing.

    I think the future will increase even more

    Supporters of Assange want their money back.

    bargaining is not appropriate here

    About Quebec Arrow

    To put in the Guinness Book of Records of the USA in the nomination of shooting people

    Canada severed diplomatic relations with Iran.

    Everything is done under the dictation of the USA

    In China, they talked with Hillary Clinton and announced the change of power in Syria.

    It is not necessary to talk with her, but to act.

    Obama is true to the ideas of "reset"

    And what remains for him to do

    Twitter suicide Barack Obama arrested.

    It remains to find "Facebook" and the fake "

    "Millennium of Darkness" for America.

    And we have our own Chuck Noris on the forum and he has a different opinion

    President Clinton?

    the so-called film of the same name, which was awarded the Oscar in the category Best Fantastic Film for 2012-year
  4. svs
    svs
    +3
    8 September 2012 10: 51
    Leave the people of Syria alone. You have brought us nothing but death, fear and chaos. ” - it cannot be otherwise, over the past 2 decades, not only the people of the SAR have experienced the care of a number of democratizers (((.
    Now, when there is no USSR with its alternative, there is no need to worry about raising the standard of living and benefits in the "colonies", it is much more effective to sow death, fear and chaos
  5. +4
    8 September 2012 11: 59
    Who there complained about "corruption in our health care"?
    Do you want to sell an apartment for $ 100 worth of money?
    Or the same for treating an upset stomach?
    But no corruption - you will be robbed legally.
    Higher tariffs for medicine 1000 times and corruption will disappear like smoke ... though many may die ... but by law.
  6. nik4950
    +6
    8 September 2012 12: 06
    Quote: andrei332809
    Hillary is the same frantic secretary of state
    1. Shumer
      +2
      9 September 2012 13: 23
      Yes, there is something to compare. laughing
  7. 0
    8 September 2012 12: 39
    The State Department will eat the sausage itself, and the French, at best, will get the skin and trimmings .-- HA HA !!! but as always!!!! wink
  8. Beck
    -11
    8 September 2012 12: 51
    There is no credibility in the article. The article is propaganda, to warm the cheers and patrons of the whole western, indiscriminately for the good and the bad.

    Accurate tracing of the articles of the newspapers Pravda and Izvestia of the 70-80s about decaying imperialism, the grin of capitalism and letters of protesting working people around the world. Juggling and juggling.

    This article is an element of the propaganda system inherited from the USSR. When the absolutely overwhelming number of international journalists were KGB agents and they wrote all kinds of nonsense, it was done behind the iron curtain. It is approximately that the average wage of the Soviet worker was higher than that of the American worker. And with this money, the Soviet worker could afford more goods and services than the American worker. The ideological American homeless was shown on television and the announcer claimed that this was the poverty of capitalism and the violation of all human rights, that a large number of Americans robbed of imperialism live like that.
    1. +1
      8 September 2012 19: 14
      Quote: Beck
      There is no credibility in the article. The article is propaganda, to warm the cheers and patrons of the whole western, indiscriminately for the good and the bad.

      There is no propaganda here, a normal critical analysis of the most important events. As for the patriots, there are several varieties of them,
      Some, as you noticed, hate America and others like it with the spells of the 70s and 80s, others hate all the processes that are going on in our Russia, often this is very subtly presented by advisers from overseas, so for me let the first ones work in the style of the Pravda newspaper 70-80s, at least there is no harm from them
      1. Beck
        +1
        8 September 2012 20: 35
        Oleg.

        Well, in determining what propaganda is, in this case, we certainly will not come to a consensus. And this is natural. Each has its own criteria.
        But, in my understanding, in this article there are a lot of juggling and juggling.

        The question is what will cheer patriotism wait for. In my opinion, envy. Why they have all the best. Economy, army, social sphere, standard of living, etc. not with us. No, in order to objectively analyze in what ways, methods, ways the Americans over 300 years, the meager term for the state, created the most powerful economy in the world. And taking the best from them to create more powerful than theirs. So there is no just unfounded blame.

        It’s all the same if I’ll be faulty for everything Russian, just because Russia has a larger territory, a more developed economy than Kazakhstan, more developed science, technology. But this is absurd. I understand this absurdity. Hurray patriots do not understand.

        Anticipate the patriots. What am I from Russian-American relations? And a lot. Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan create the Eurasian Union. And this provides for a coordinated policy both for external and internal.

        As soon as here in comets they do not blaspheme Clinton. And at the APEC meeting in Vladivostok, Putin amiably shakes the hand of that Hilary with a smile.
        1. +2
          8 September 2012 21: 10
          Quote: Beck
          No, in order to objectively analyze in what ways, methods, ways the Americans over 300 years, the meager term for the state, created the most powerful economy in the world. And taking the best from them to create more powerful than theirs. So there is no just unfounded blame.

          For seventy years the USSR has become a powerful power, the term is even more meager. Unlike the USA, which received a huge impetus in its development after the Second World War, we practically created our power thanks to the incredible efforts of all the peoples of the USSR. Unlike the United States, our policy has always been aimed at peaceful coexistence; for example, we have not exploited the mineral resources and resources of less developed countries. Well, regarding the current state of things, I’ll say one thing, the states are two-faced Janus, on the one hand I can’t get right, and on the other hand, unscrupulous goodies, look soberly, this is not visible with an armed look. Well, they have every right to express their dissatisfaction with US policy as a hegemonic towards other countries and political regimes that are objectionable to the USA and who disagree with them. And it would not be right not to assert their right to self-determination in the world community as equals .
          1. Beck
            -2
            8 September 2012 21: 32
            Oleg.

            For 70 years, the USSR has become a mighty power only militarily, and not economically. To do this, exerting all his strength and exhausting himself, which was what happened in 90 years. In the same 80 years, the US health care budget was higher than the Pentagon budget.

            Did the US get a boost? If there is no infrastructure, no momentum will help. If there is no Skolkovo in the steppes of Mongolia, factories, factories, railway tracks between them, any impulse is a bunch in his pants.

            The use of other people's bowels and resources remained in the colonial era. The US has always bought the missing. Now more than 50% of its oil needs are bought in Venezuela. Some rare earths in South Africa. And how much was the scream that the United States occupied Iraq to pump oil there for free. They removed the dictator who shot his people and left. And Iraqi oil is bought at world prices.

            To defend one’s right, one’s interests on an equal footing, is not only possible, but necessary. But on the positions of common sense and an objective analysis of the situation. And not the screams of the Americans bastards, USA rubbish, the president is the head of the state department a fallen woman and the like.
            1. MI-AS-72
              +2
              8 September 2012 22: 01
              Yes, you are in your repertoire "In the same 80 years, the health care budget in the United States was higher than the Pentagon budget," you chronically do not want to be a decent person, ie. not lie to yourself or to people. About Iraq this is generally a song, Iraqi oil belongs to Western companies, including American ones, and they buy it at world prices from themselves, they removed the dictator and left, but for a long time I have not seen a person with such a familiar logic, I’m not talking about facts, this is as the saying goes, it's a matter of taste to lie not to lie, and logic is already the ability to think, but with this you have big problems, in Russia this is a very cool woman Lera sins, maybe it's YOU,
              1. Beck
                0
                8 September 2012 22: 17
                Miasu.

                And that did not go away. Obama withdrew troops from Iraq as promised. That's all. Where is the lie?
                The fact that the health budget was higher was in the Soviet press wrote in 90.

                Oil. Iraqi sovereignty over its fields is undeniable. And to whom they give the right to develop them is their business. For this they receive taxes and deductions. Recently, the Iraqi government threatened to seize the license from some English company for its wicked actions in Iraqi Kurdistan and the company backtracked. In general, Iraq was producing oil before the fall of Hussein. And there are mining specialists there. I do not think that all oil is in the hands of Western companies.

                And the last one. You consider one thing objective, I am another. That's the point of discussion to determine the middle. If you can’t react calmly, then do not write to me. You are always on the verge of a breakdown in the mat. Who needs this? I don’t need to. If you need, then swear without me.
              2. Beck
                0
                9 September 2012 10: 25
                MIAS.

                On the issue of budgets. Of course, I can’t name the exact figures of the US budget in the 80s, for a long time it was. But the fact that the health budget exceeded the military budget is for sure.

                And this trend has continued.

                The US military budget for 2011 is $ 700 billion.

                The US budget for health and social development for 2001 is $ 900 billion.

                And who is now lying before people and the face of God?
                1. +1
                  9 September 2012 11: 39
                  Quote: Beck
                  On the issue of budgets.

                  The military budget was and remains the largest in the economy, and never before has money from the general budget allocated to social programs been concealed in the face of the cost of ensuring national security.
                  1. Beck
                    0
                    9 September 2012 11: 54
                    Oleg.

                    Well, you do not believe the numbers. True, I made a mistake not in 2001 but in 2011.

                    Such a budget allocation speaks of only one United States, along with defense finances and health care, even for the most part.

                    Here in the USSR, yes. The military budget greatly prevailed over social needs.
                    1. +1
                      9 September 2012 18: 20
                      [quote = Beck] Yes, in the USSR. Military budget heavily prevailed over social needs
                      But social programs were mostly free for the population, well, with the exception of utilities. However, this money was more than enough.
                      1. Beck
                        +1
                        9 September 2012 19: 32
                        Oleg.

                        I already wrote once. But for you I repeat. A free social network in the USSR is not so much a prosperity for the people as an embodiment of the theory of communism in practice.

                        Why the Bolsheviks first liquidated the soap business in the cities and destroyed the kulaks as a class. But only because they were financially independent of the state. They lived their labor. You can drive such people to a demonstration in support of a communist from Africa. A five-hour lecture on decaying imperialism cannot be seated. At the trial, you won’t make you scream - death to the enemies of the people.

                        But when a person has enough money only until the next payday. when he is standing in line for an apartment, when a ticket to the sanatorium is issued by the authorities, then such people are addicted. After all, the next payday and / may not be given, deleted from the queue, not given a ticket. Such people can be made to do a lot.

                        I repeat. Such a social program is the enslavement of people's free will.
            2. +1
              9 September 2012 11: 34
              Quote: Beck
              For 70 years, the USSR has become a mighty power only militarily, and not economically. To do this, exerting all his strength and exhausting himself, which was what happened in 90 years. In the same 80 years, the US health care budget was higher than the Pentagon budget.

              The USSR became powerful not only militarily but also economically. Do not forget that we were then independent of the dollar, and were a self-sufficient country. Remember 85 years after the Congress of the CPSU, when a report was presented on the state of the economy, which suddenly became stagnant, but was it really so? Plowgle comparative data for the period from 1980 to 1985, and then compare with the period 85-87, an amazing metamorphosis was true.
              Quote: Beck
              The use of other people's bowels and resources remained in the colonial era. The US has always bought the missing. Now more than 50% of its oil needs are bought in Venezuela. Some rare earths in South Africa. And how much was the scream that the United States occupied Iraq to pump oil there for free. They removed the dictator who shot his people and left. And Iraqi oil is bought at world prices.

              And you are aware that the lion's share of oil exported by the United States goes stupidly for resale, the United States is sufficiently provided with its oil for domestic consumption. Well, as for Iraq, I won’t even tell you anything, you seem to have fallen from the moon, or you have been absent on Earth for a long time.
              1. Beck
                -1
                9 September 2012 12: 22
                Oleg.

                If the USSR became economically more powerful in the 80s, then why did it fall apart? Yeltsin and others are the consequences of a non-working economy. If the economy was strong, the Union would not fall apart.

                "US Resells Oil". Let's even imagine that he resells, that of what is one of the laws of economics. "Shuttles" also resell. Bought here, sold there. All merchants are built on this - bought - sold - margin. Venezuela is also provided with its own oil. So why not buy oil in the Persian Gulf and resell it to Japan. Your arguments do not stand up to criticism.

                You probably don’t know the history of Iraq. Saddam Hussein came to power as a result of a military coup. Established a dictatorship in Iraq. At the end of 70, he attacked Iran and fought with it for about 8 years. Then he attacked Kuwait and occupied it. He threatened to attack Saudi Arabia. All this time, the international community persuaded Hussein to stop these aggressive actions. He threatened with a finger and said that it was bad to attack neighboring countries for no reason. Hussein showed his mother Kuzkin to the world and said - and they saw it. In the end, a military coalition was created, led by the United States, which included the Arab military forces. The first Iraq war began. The Americans liberated Kuwait, drove Iraqi troops from the borders and stopped 100 kilometers from Baghdad. By decision of the UN, the troops could not advance further. The Kurds of Iraq and the Shiites have risen up against the dictator Saddam hoping for the help of coalition forces. But the troops did not have a UN mandate to intervene and they left Iraq. Hussein brutally crushed the uprisings, using chemical weapons against his own people. After strengthening his power, Hussein again began to blackmail his neighbors and the world. He was afraid of an Iranian attack and started a rumor about allegedly available atomic weapons in order to prevent an Iranian attack.
                I admit it. Bush Jr. took advantage of this to punish Hussein for mocking his father Bush Sr. Hussein laid out a ceramic portrait of Bush the elder in the lobby of the airport and all visitors trampled on this portrait. Hussein, seeing the seriousness of Bush’s intentions, took a step back and began to say that he didn’t have any weapons, but it was too late. The second Iraq war began. Hussein was deposed. US troops remained in Iraq for as long as it took to establish a new government. After which Obama withdrew troops from Iraq.
                Now Iraq itself controls its fate, without a dictator.

                I think that if you knew all this Oleg would not say that I fell from the moon.
            3. nickname 1 and 2
              +1
              9 September 2012 14: 19
              Beck,
              Dear BEK!
              There is one way to defeat your opponents once and for all!
              It is necessary to put on the shelves the economic component of the producing unit! Those. we take the employee’s salary = say $ 500 \ day from here to produce products in monetary terms, the employee should be $ 2000
              (based on the calculation of 25% of the cost) well, etc. Then you can show the total gross product in cost equivalent - the amount of salary to staff, etc.
              It would be nice to show by the example of our catering and the West how the West eats in cafes and restaurants and this is not available to us! That's how they linked these non-docking? And besides this - the health care budget! How do you defend here! but Obama is now fighting for it. It is with this big problem in the USA! And an article on this subject in VO the other day!
              Bottom line: You show all your opponents what not to bark for a decent Yankee! you need to learn how to work yourself!
              And how you how to adhere to the moral complex of the builder of communism - call!
              The facts (gangs) of him = opponent! Good luck drinks
              1. Beck
                0
                9 September 2012 14: 58
                Nick.

                Thank you for your support, otherwise they have me here. I explained to my opponents both historically, both in numbers and in logic. I do not hope that everything will somehow turn out at once, but I know for sure what little thought I’m sowing from my head.

                For some reason, they think I'm all for America. America, like any state, has good and bad chapters. I propose to fail everything in a row, and take the best from them, implement it in your own and get ahead. What to invent your own ways when there are beaten and successful. In addition, their paths often lead to a dead end and the wrong results. A vivid example of a socialist economy.

                Well, I did not adhere to the Moral Code of the builder of communism even in the USSR. Just try not to respond sharply to rudeness, then there will be no discussion.

                You, too, all you want.
                1. nickname 1 and 2
                  0
                  9 September 2012 22: 09
                  Beck,
                  You are mistaken! I do not support you! (I would rather agree with Andrei _K with his post ....... How is the seizure of world GDP in favor of the United States?
                  Very simple:
                  Suppose a certain country is increasing its GDP and it needs to pour a certain amount of cash to ensure it (in addition, the bourgeois who have earned money in the national economy want to somehow preserve the newly acquired wealth), but their own currency does not fit all this, since it does not meet the requirements, there is stronger, and the national is constantly subjected to pressure and runs the risk of collapsing at any time (having an unlimited amount of world money, the USA can collapse the currency of any country if it does not have enough .....) sad
                  I tried to take you to the true path: NUMBERS - a stubborn thing! This is the path I wanted to send you! Judging by your posts, by their number, you are at home - a local celebrity! You are a local GENIUS!
                  Become real! Without a number you are a demagogue. Tireless!
                  You have many opponents, you have time to "give change" to everyone! But this is just chatter, which the people were fed up with in the 90s.
                  Well, your sweet speeches with common sense do not fit. It was not in vain that I gave you direction, I repeat: how many commodity values ​​must be reproduced to receive $ 500 - ???????????????? in a day!!!!!! fool
                  Well, take a calculator and calculate from which bell tower such salaries ???
                  We have long understood the people (by the way over these 20 years) Million can’t be earned, it can only be stolen or taken away! angry
                  Whatever economy is in the USA (China has almost caught up with the USA, it means it is not so big!) And such a life IS NOT EARNABLE !!!!! stop
                  And your SWEET SPEECHES for the USA require fundamental scientific calculations in support of the economy! am
                  1. Beck
                    0
                    10 September 2012 08: 55
                    Nick.

                    Your suggestions with numbers are compelling, but there is one catch. If you are not an economist, not a specialist, then manipulating numbers is not the best thing. You have given some numbers, but by and large they are incomprehensible. Since your "How much must be reproduced commodity values ​​to get $ 500 per day" is subject to the most versatile interpretation. Logs are also a commodity and you can calculate all costs, man-days, depreciation, etc. economic calculations how many trees need to be cut down to get $ 500. At the same time, all economic costs will be completely different in order to catch $ 500 worth of gold. You cannot do without special knowledge and the calculator will be powerless.
                    Here, a variety of people with different backgrounds gather on the site and speak on different topics using generally available logic, rather than specialized knowledge in various disciplines. Of course they apply, but in a public form.
                    Now Nick, wish. Do not think that only you have the true path. I try to say in my comments that this is my opinion or my assumption. To say that he spoke the truth is at least incorrect.
                    The topic of calculating GDP is very complex, special knowledge is needed, and in your proposals I do not see specific numbers, a bunch of numbers that prove anything.
                    Why are we going to the site to talk, exchange opinions. And if several people who agree or disagree with me respond to my koment, I should not condescendingly respond to arguments and arguments. On a fig then go to the site.
                    What is "the people understood". The people are such a concept that it is impossible to embrace it with a personal I. And you say people.
                    If you are so committed to the number, then give your calculation in the United States. If you are a serious economist you will not have enough site space for these numbers.

                    Of course, not everything is smooth in America, but no matter how the US economy is strongest, it is not convenient to explain this with theft. So a member of the Bedcom pointing to a working host - a fist, shouting he did not work, he stole.
                    If not cows, then hay for them from neighboring mowing plots. And the owner was dispossessed.
                    1. nickname 1 and 2
                      0
                      10 September 2012 21: 11
                      Beck,
                      GDP per capita in the USA and in the leading countries, dollars, 1970-2010 Year USA China Japan Germany France
                      1970 4893 113 1957 2674 2876
                      1971 5266 118 2178 3087 3206
                      1972 5744 131 2851 3692 3897
                      2004 40121 1494 36469 33033 33929
                      2005 42329 1747 36015 33511 35035
                      2006 44448 2120 34500 35173 36756
                      2007 46188 2644 34605 40283 41817
                      2008 46621 3412 38563 43941 45605
                      2009 45059 3784 39770 40034 42037
                      2010 46546 4279 43142 39853 40773

                      Although China 4279 - but X 1.5bn = ooh-ho! And Japan, Germany, France = not much behind !!!!! And you -????? am

                      At least so laughing And then Lala Poplar wink

                      By google as Russia and England compared ????
                      This is a critical indicator of the economy. fool It shows that in the 70s the USA in 2nd exceeded the leading countries, and now by some 10%! And this means that the United States last 30 years stagnation of the economy angry
                      Your bit card !!!! You have nothing to answer.
                      Here is an example of HOW the figure puts everything in its place !!!!
                      1. Beck
                        0
                        10 September 2012 22: 03
                        Nick.

                        The table is somehow not very clear. Well, that doesn't matter. But you are sure that when they see these figures, the hailiers will understand everything and stop blaming. On other topics, I gave figures more precisely. On that he received accusations of lying and fraud, and that the figures I quoted concocted the CIA.

                        On coal. There is a figure. What conclusion? Or Europe has sharply increased coal production. Or the United States does not produce more because this quantity provides the needs of the economy. Or the United States is switching to some alternative sources. Or is this really a crisis in the coal industry. The number gives the quantity, but does not give information. In the 60 years, under Mao, China overtook all countries for the smelting of pig iron. The figure was impressive. But cast iron was smelted in all villages, in self-made furnaces, and cast-iron ingots were lying about all over China.

                        And then Nick. After all, everyone has their own way of presenting material and giving arguments. Well, well, you got me a figure.

                        With all due respect.
                      2. nickname 1 and 2
                        0
                        11 September 2012 12: 23
                        Beck,
                        GDP is the total indicator for the entire product (goods, material values) produced in the country, to help you understand, I will give you an example: in Cuba, there was a lot of money before Fidel, but they were from sex services! Those. there were many brothels where the entire female population served all visitors well! There was no shortage of customers because the cubes were naturally endowed with high sexuality. And there was a lot of money, but the country was miserable, because there was nothing besides anything (i.e. that same GDP) Well, somewhere like that! In China - now the population of 1,5 billion GDP is now high (the world is littered with Chinese products) but, if divided, per capita, they are still far from the USA.
                        I took it from here: Ivan Kushnir Institute of Economics and Law = http://www.be5.biz/makroekonomika/gdp/gdp_usa.html
                        The source seems to be independent!
                        Year USA China Japan Germany France
                        1970 4893 113 1957 2674 2876
                        1971 5266 118 2178 3087 3206
                        2005 42329 1747 36015 33511 35035
                        2006 44448 2120 34500 35173 36756
                        2007 46188 2644 34605 40283 41817
                        2008 46621 3412 38563 43941 45605
                        2009 45059 3784 39770 40034 42037
                        2010 46546 4279 43142 39853 40773
                        Understand yourself or with the help of someone, but not relying on a number, not having studied it, you are just “empty-handed” - I apologize for this word! But you won’t erase a word from a song !!!
                        You compose fairy tales for children! There is enough space on the site - exercise.
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                  9 September 2012 22: 32
                  Beck,

                  and here is the appendage:
                  And the essence of the matter, rather, is that there is a scam! The USA is just robbing the rest of the world! And realizing that no matter how much rope is twisted, the end will be - wassat everything is thrown on under any pretext to weaken deceive, the global structure and delay the hour of reckoning! An international tribunal is crying for them !!!! tongue
                  Think about the calculations! And your fairy tales found naive people
                  even 10 years ago! Now the people have seen. wink
        2. 0
          9 September 2012 06: 13
          Regarding envy, I already answered Beck that personally I have nothing to envy, I have everything. It seems that Beck is financially not wealthy and constantly presses the toad with envy. Well, the fact that Putin and Clintonsha are smiling at each other is politics. We have no war with them. Do you suggest that Putin stick a knife in her side?
        3. +1
          10 September 2012 16: 45
          Quote: Beck
          In my opinion, envy. Why they have all the best. Economy, army, social sphere, standard of living, etc. not with us.

          And you can expand, about a more developed social network, taking into account of course:
          ... 41 the percentage of all working Americans in age, he recalls, is indebted to medicine. “This is because our healthcare system has evolved into a gigantic money-sweeping scam.” Millions of Americans are being treated, and then they get incredible, outrageous accounts - and in many cases cruel methods of collecting debts are used against them ...
          1. Beck
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            10 September 2012 18: 26
            Carson.

            Respected. In my opinion, there are two types of envy - white and black. White is when you live in a simple house and you want to build a house like a neighbor’s two-story mansion and even better. And you watch how he did it, what methods he used, what methods, what you missed. Black is when you are standing at the fence and wanting a neighbor, you are this way, you are a thief, and you have a crooked corner, and your cat is shabby.

            About healthcare. Of course they have their own cockroaches there, anyone has it. But overall, the United States has the best healthcare system. So, to study it, take the best, discard unnecessary crooks, etc. One of the reasons for such a high level of their health care is the gigantic amounts for its maintenance. I already wrote here that in the 80s I was very surprised when I found out that in America the budget for health care exceeds the defense budget. And this is at the height of the Cold War. One on the site hesitated and called me a liar. I rechecked and it turned out that now the US budget for healthcare is $ 900 billion, and the defense budget is $ 700 billion. In order to spend such money in Russia and Kazakhstan, a successful economy must be built here.
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              10 September 2012 19: 14
              Quote: Beck
              But overall, the United States has the best healthcare system.

              Sorry, but you are wrong. Quite closely communicating with our former compatriots living in the SGA, you come to a different conclusion.

              Quote: Beck
              Now the U.S. health budget is 900 billion dollars,

              Do you know what exactly this money is spent on?
              Sorry again, but you have some kind of pink opinion about SGA, if you want, I can give a link to a public interview where you can read the opinion about the health care of the SGA of the person who encountered it.
              1. Beck
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                10 September 2012 19: 46
                Carlson.

                I agree. There are cases of theft. misuse of some blunders, frauds. Well, there cannot be ideal systems on this sinful land. It calms to some extent. So not only in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan there is a mess.

                But considering together budgets and messes, all one of their system is better. Even if amers out of 900 billion are plundered. Anyway, the remaining 450 billion will be more than ten times the total budget for the health care of Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the entire CIS combined.
  9. StrateG
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    8 September 2012 13: 29
    Chuck doesn't like the country "following the path of socialism or worse."


    Chuck negodue. America Khan am
  10. +5
    8 September 2012 13: 31
    BEK. Do you doubt it? Maybe something is exaggerated, but basically everything is true. And their medicine is very expensive, And if your parents are not rich and you are from poor quarters, education you can only dream about, respectively, the worker's earnings are small and taxes and insurance are much more, so go for it if you not a genius. Look at their news there propaganda slashnyak that the rulers said then and rightly if dissatisfied then violate the national security. You can say that they can talk about any official, then yes, but try to touch foreign policy in the negative and Assange will become. And here they write about everything, just BE ABLE TO READ. I'm not a hurray-patriot, we also have enough negativity, but we are not aggressors and we try to "don’t need someone else, but we will not give up our own either."
    1. Beck
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      8 September 2012 14: 13
      Kolyan.

      And you have no doubt that in the 70-80 years the Soviet worker lived better than the American? What do you really think that in those years Soviet people lived better than Americans. Yes, if they lived better than the Americans and the collapse of the USSR would not exist. He doesn’t need anything if they are well.

      Their medicine is expensive. No doubt about it. But the earnings of Americans, coupled with medical insurance, allows you to use this medicine in full. The US government spends more on budget money on medicine than on defense.

      There is no doubt that there are paid universities in America, as in Russia. But there are grants by which any young person who is successful in education can get higher education. A good example of this is President Obama. He was brought up with his very poor grandmother. And he graduated, and became a senator, and became president. Money does not make a rich person smarter. If there is no scientific vein, then any education is not good. To identify as many talents as possible, you need as much coverage of the population as possible to get an education. America is a confirmation of this. They have the vast majority of Nobel laureates. And they are not from wealthy families.

      Asanzhe want to hold accountable only for the disclosure of state secrets. In America, anyone expresses his opinion, although it is the opposite of the government one and they do not conduct house searches and arrests.

      "Don't need someone else" Stupid. All good things must be adopted. General high standard of living. High level of social assistance, High level of medicine. High level of science. High level of modern technology. High level of production. All this is not shameful to adopt.
      "We will not give up ours." What is worth not giving away from science, production, technology? Nobody will take it.
      1. +4
        8 September 2012 14: 36
        and due to what this "high standard of living, science, etc." ? Where does the debt of 16 trillion green papers come from? and about the "coverage of the population with the opportunity to get an education" - a panic about "Russian tanks in Georgia", a heap of historical and geographical "pearls" from the presidents of the YSA - how is that? By the way, Obama uttered something about the Polish death camps - after which he had to apologize to the pshekami ...
        "We will not give up ours." What is worth not giving away from science, production, technology? Nobody will take it - well, you are right, you have not heard about the great scientific and technical breakthrough in Kazakhstan ...
        1. Beck
          -3
          8 September 2012 14: 52
          BORING.

          A debt of 16 trillion is for the most part a debt to yourself .. Well, there’s enough budget money for some program, so I printed the money. But in order to print like this, you need to have the most powerful economy in the world. No other economy can afford this. I'm not talking about Russia, let alone Kazakhstan. Instant inflation and death on inhalation.

          I do not idealize Obama, I talked about his origin. And each has its own blunders. He said the wrong thing, apologized, and even with him.

          There was no question about Kazakhstan that he would not give up his own. Because there is nothing to give. I personally, as Kolyan did not say, didn’t give anything of Kazakhstan. Such a transition in discussion is similar to the dispute of not distant people who have the last argument - you yourself. I repeat. Kazakhstan is not among the high-tech countries, this is clear by default.
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            8 September 2012 19: 32
            Quote: Beck
            I repeat Kazakhstan is not among the high-tech countries, this is clear by default.

            It's not worth it, but KazAtomProm alone is worth a lot. Well, about America, no matter how you imagine this country, only for America IT IS IMPORTANT HOW SHE represents you in terms of ITS WORLD INTERESTS.
            Can you find a place in her plans?
            1. Beck
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              8 September 2012 20: 49
              Oleg.

              How to put it, so as not to offend yourself. Compared to your nuclear industry, KazAtomProm is just one of the laboratories. Compared to Uganda, yes, this is strength.

              America will end the war in Afghanistan and there will be nothing to do with it than to think about Kazakhstan. These are the common interests of cargo transit. So far, Kazakhstan has not posed a threat to regional peace. As long as there is no civil war in Kazakhstan with civilian victims, America by and large will not even remember us. Unless, all of a sudden, in ten years, Kazakhstan’s economy has come close to the US economy. Then there will be a legitimate interest as a competitor in the economy. Not a political rival, but an economic competitor. But such a development is not expected.
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                9 September 2012 11: 43
                Quote: Beck
                . Not a political rival

                Only the fact that Kazakhstan is a full-fledged partner of Russia already puts it in one of the political rivals of the United States.
                1. Beck
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                  9 September 2012 12: 25
                  Oleg.

                  Opponent in the economic competition YES.

                  The enemy in the military confrontation NO.
          2. +2
            8 September 2012 20: 41
            They themselves are 50 trillion. must, and 16 are loan bonds - many countries use them instead of money (rather than households at all).
            But besides the enormous state debt, besides the domestic debt, there is just a huge amount of printed money that is not debt and which the whole world keeps in its small capsules, banks and shares and which it pays with each other.
            All this time, the Americans only did what they printed and printed papers and bought up governments, factories, secrets, experts all over the world ...
            More money was enough for all sorts of tricks.
            But these tricks are needed so that any local nouveau riche (who in spite of everything managed to save some green papers in their country) would like to leave their homeland for America and at the same time grab the accumulated ... well, or the public box office.
            Thanks to this cycle of money, America has been chic for many years, managing to create an unrealistic imbalance of salaries for the same work.
            But there are no perpetual motion machines in nature, sooner or later any freebie comes to an end.
            1. Beck
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              8 September 2012 21: 09
              Andrew.

              Dear, you confuse cause and effect.

              First, a little history. Until 1945, settlements between states were made in gold. And it was troublesome, hard, unproductive. And in some cases it’s dangerous. Example. In 43 or 44 years, an English cruiser with a cargo of gold sailed from Murmansk to pay with London for military supplies. The cruiser was sunk by a German submarine. Gold is still somewhere at the bottom. You can’t print gold again.
              At 45 or later, at an international economic meeting of European countries, it was decided to make settlements in some strong currency instead of gold. The strongest and most solid currency was the dollar.

              Now cause and effect. The United States is not getting richer because it prints dollars. If this were the case, then everyone would print their currencies. The United States also prints dollars because they are rich, and not vice versa. They can afford it because no country in the world has such a powerful economy. 25% of the global gross product.

              In the future, instead of the dollar, there may be yuan or rubles. But not because someone so wanted. This will happen only when the economies of China or Russia make up 30% of the global economy. Then both China and Russia can turn on their printing presses.
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                8 September 2012 22: 43
                Quote: Beck
                In 43 or 44, an English cruiser with a cargo of gold sailed from Murmansk to pay military supplies to London. The cruiser was sunk by a German submarine. Gold is still somewhere at the bottom.

                You are mistaken, dear, the gold was raised in 76 or 77, there was a special expedition, there was even a documentary film. in the holds of the Edinburgh cruiser, only a fifth remained. and the raised gold was proportionally divided between Great Britain as the recipient, the USSR because the cruiser sank in our waters and the expedition, a private company for the production of deep-sea works.
                1. Beck
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                  9 September 2012 09: 31
                  Captain.

                  Well, it’s good that they recalled, clarified. I read about it about 30 years ago.
              2. +3
                8 September 2012 23: 46
                Everyone printed their currencies - especially in wartime - in the First World War, for example, it was a special strategy.
                But, when some currency becomes a global means of accumulation, then this currency is provided not by the goods of the country where it is printed, but by the whole world.
                Then, according to the laws of the economy, if the currency were printed per one country (and not the whole world), then a giant deficit would inevitably arise and it would be the same as with gold (when it was a means of accumulation) so that the dollar remained on the same course, it was necessary to print it in progress towards the growth of the world economy.
                Those. how much the world economy has grown since 1945 — that’s how they printed dollars — if their rate had not fallen (for example, to gold) —but since the dollar had also fallen to gold, it would have been printed much more than necessary.
                But the owner of the "world money" is obliged to distribute this money (since not only the USA participates in the creation of the world GDP), but I have never heard that they donate this money to someone.
                They spent this money only on themselves - i.e. constantly stealing at least half of world GDP.
                For decades.
                And I don’t need to rub that if someone is constantly robbing the whole world for half of his GDP, then this someone owes his wealth to his own labor.
                Having half of the world’s GDP, you can do nothing at all, but just spend what the United States is doing so far - their army spending exceeds that of the rest of the world combined, a very accurate indicator of the extent of theft.
                1. Beck
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                  9 September 2012 10: 18
                  Andrei K.

                  Rubbing is not my prerogative. I express my opinion. You do not like it - I see. You have an opinion - clearly. But where does it rub. You can safely remain with your opinion. And so I answer.

                  The times when national currencies were provided with all the wealth of the country have long passed. Well, probably from the age of 60, as if no one would call a figure a lengthy process. The beginning of this process was given by France in the same years. When De Gaulle, having accumulated large amounts of dollars, presented them to the US bank for exchange for gold. It seems the United States then paid. But the financial world is thoughtful. And now neither the dollar, nor the ruble, nor the Tugrik have that function of providing all the wealth of the republic.

                  Now the United States is not obliged to give out money under the influence of some external obligations. They distribute them voluntarily. If you add up their voluntary donations, in the form of aid, to the poor countries of Africa, Asia, Palestine, then they will probably get a billion a year.

                  How does the USA rob the whole world? Did he take it from someone? How did US wealth come about?
                  It arose because the most energetic, most volitional, most enterprising people came to the New World from Europe. And from scratch, from the 18th century, railways were built, cities were built, factories and factories were built, universities were founded. Created a powerful infrastructure of their economy. During the Second World War, and even the first, these built factories and factories produced goods for both military and civil purposes. Naturally made a profit. If there weren’t these built factories, then how would the United States get rich? If there were no factories, there would be nothing to produce. If the Americans did not build, but simply engaged in agriculture, they would not see military orders from around the world. From here began the US wealth from hard work and energy.

                  And when they got rich, they got rich to the point that they now turn on their printing press whenever they want. China will also get rich turning on its machine too.

                  By the way, the US military budget for 2012 makes up only half of world defense spending, about 700 billion. And, what you will be very unpleasant to hear, this US military budget is inferior to the US budget for health and social development of 900 billion.

                  If America didn’t do anything, she couldn’t spend it. This is the law of economics. If you don’t do it, don’t waste it.
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                    9 September 2012 12: 56
                    The fact that the USA was building some kind of railroads there and something else - all this did not in the least increase their weight in the then world economy (then Great Britain, Germany printed world money ...) - it was still a third-rate country with a weak the economy.
                    Even to defeat Japan, they had to strain pretty hard.
                    The fact that the United States "donates" to poor countries - so it does it in the form of buying influence and, ultimately, not for nothing, but later making good money, otherwise these countries would not fall into even greater poverty from such "victims".
                    I repeat once again - the main indicator that the United States lives beyond its means - this is their exorbitant military spending - no country in the world can afford military spending above a certain limit, except for the United States.
                    How is the seizure of world GDP in favor of the United States?
                    Very simple:
                    Suppose a certain country is increasing its GDP and it needs to pour a certain amount of cash to ensure it (in addition, the bourgeois who have earned money in the national economy want to somehow preserve the newly acquired wealth), but their own currency does not fit all this, since it does not meet the requirements, there is stronger, and the national is constantly under pressure and runs the risk of collapsing at any time (having an unlimited amount of world money, the USA can collapse the currency of any country if it does not have sufficient dollar reserves)
                    In order to ensure liquidity in the country and make reserves, the country is forced to sell part of its GDP to receive new dollar injections, without which the country will experience a crisis (either deflation or inflation or something else unpleasant), but at the same time, the country's economy remains full of holes and drushlat all excess currency (not involved in local commodity circulation) will inevitably return to their homeland - to American banks - either with a leak of capital, or a drain of rich people with capital, or some other - there are a lot of mechanisms.
                    What is now like a pebble in a millstone - a hindrance to a well-functioning mechanism - is China.
                    The Chinese do not save money in dollars and their millionaires do not go to America (for the most part), dollars have stopped returning to their homeland - this is what the American crisis consists of.
                    The overexposed robbery mechanism of the whole world failed - money outflow is still happening, but the reverse stream has dried up.
                    Americans can still make money by printing unsecured pieces of paper, but the percentage of returns on this matter has fallen sharply and they are no longer enough for all the excesses that they could afford (military spending, interference in the internal affairs of other countries, etc.)
                    1. Beck
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                      9 September 2012 13: 42
                      Andrew.

                      That's right when they built railways, factories and factories America stood lower in the economy than England. But they laid the foundation. Without this foundation, there would be no possibility of further growth. If America had no plants and factories at the start of the war, how would they enrich themselves? Then they simply could not print money.

                      "No country in the world can afford military spending like the United States." Why? The answer is on the surface because it is the richest country. I bought a Volkswagen because I have funds for a Mercedes, you bought a Mercedes because you are richer than me. What else?

                      Judging by your calculations, you are not an economist, neither am I. So, let's not go into inflation mechanisms, etc.

                      If, in your words, America can collapse and ruin everyone. It was not in her interests to breed competitors. Why did she implement the Marshall Plan? - raising the economies of Europe and Asia destroyed by the war. According to you, she did not need not a strong Europe, not a strong Japan, not a strong South Korea. Only communist countries with the USSR and China at the head refused this help. And what happened - stagnation happened. Smart Chinese leaders realized that the socialist economy was not working and carried out bourgeois reform. China has remained communist in appearance, essentially becoming capitalist.

                      Why didn’t the USA collapse China at the very beginning? After all, analysts knew that with such a development of events, China would constitute a headache for America. According to your logic, China should have collapsed in the bud. The fact of the matter is that America is committed to fair competition and equal trade.
                      She understands that you will not be happy alone. Why the USA did not collapse India in the 70s, after all, they saw that India was gaining momentum.
                      Why doesn't the Asian tigers collapse - ASEAN countries.

                      The world is globalizing. The consequences of globalization are the internationalization of economies, the WTO regime, the opening of borders. On the basis of this, transnational companies arise, and not only American, and mostly joint ventures. In any French company, in its branch in Thailand, the Thais work. The world is moving towards a common world economy, towards a common world house - planet Earth.

                      And you are all robbery yes robbery. Sorry, but this is like a jammed record, on the track of Soviet propaganda of the 70-80s - the world grin of capitalism, imperialist robbery, etc.
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                        9 September 2012 16: 44
                        Who argues that she is rich?
                        But the rich is not according to merit (although, if we assume that “money does not smell” and “no thief is caught,” then according to merit - the suckers are to blame for allowing themselves to be robbed).
                        The Marshal’s plan was needed to boost the Allied economies — what have I been talking about for so long? The United States alone could not stand the competition with the USSR, but having at its disposal the resources of Europe and Japan (and other colonies), they could create parity and even surpass the USSR in spending on weapons and subversive activities.
                        With this method of earning the United States, the growth of the world economy was beneficial, because it was they who had the lion's share from it and assumed that they would continue to have it.
                        As for China, its own greed played a role here - like the classics do: "there is no such crime ..." the capitalists will sell their own country for great profit.
                        The Chinese (and all Asians) have a very convenient mentality for business - it is customary there to agree with everything and say what they want to hear (and not like in Russian - the whole truth is a womb in the eye).
                        Therefore, it was easy to promise anything while pursuing its policy.
                        In the USA there is not one single clan that controls and decides everything - some people pull money through a printing press, others earn money differently, you don’t follow everyone - it turns out that they dig their own grave ... although they may not dig it for themselves, the most smart people have long moved to Hong Kong or Taiwan or Singapore and moved their offices there.
                        Previously, the most profitable was to print money, now there are better ways, but the fact that America can be bent is the cost.
                      2. Beck
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                        9 September 2012 19: 00
                        Andrew.

                        Here, I also do not agree. Logically, Marshall needed America’s fifth leg. Why should one allocate their blood and non-blood money to Belgium, England, the former enemies of Germany and Japan to raise their economies. This means future competitors.

                        Example: You are the head of a bicycle company. I am the head of another company and also make bicycles. I come to you and say give me a million I want to expand my production. Of course I will be a fool coming to you with such an offer. And you idiot if you give me that million.

                        Of course, there were other reasons for the emergence of the Marshall Plan, but the main thing for Americans was the desire to provide assistance to the victims. And immediately after the war, the USSR was not ready for full competition in the economy with a powerful USA. The USSR only had the strength to create nuclear parity, to the detriment of the rest of the economy. And the main reason is the defectiveness of the socialist economy itself. This inferiority manifested itself everywhere where countries were artificially divided into capitalism and socialism. Germany and the GDR, mainland China and Taiwan, South Korea and the DPRK. Everywhere capitalism flourished, socialism decayed and finally decayed completely. .

                        Here, many say the United States is robbed, colonized, taken away. According to Mprshall’s plan, Holland also received help. Holland began to spend part of this money on the restoration of its colonial rule over its former colony Indonesia. The United States accused Holland of neocolonialism and then stopped issuing money to Holland. She went back down. And Indonesia gained complete independence. Incidentally, this is the US effort at the United Nations that led England and France to abandon their mandate over the Middle East. And in 1948 such states as Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Syria, Iraq were formed. Previously, one territory was part of the Ottoman Empire.

                        I repeat once again. You do not need to find fault from every angle, but take the best. Not to confront for nothing, but to seek mutually beneficial interests. While we will bark, look and look at China both of them, at a bend. What then will we bark at China. So at least spill it, but it might not be enough to catch up with breathers.
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                        9 September 2012 21: 14
                        You gave a little wrong example with bicycles.
                        Firstly, the USA will not let Bicycles (i.e. money) be released to anyone, but it offers a competing company ... to assemble these bicycles from parts that will be supplied by the main company.
                        Secondly, the United States simply does not have the opportunity not to spend money - at least wherever.
                        Since the dollar is the world currency, it is necessary to issue money exactly as much as the world economy requires (or more if inflation is allowed) - if the company does not stamp dollars, it will be scarce and then countries will find a replacement for it (other currencies of other countries).
                        The United States is forced to print dollars and spend it, even if they have nowhere to spend it (although by reference, they should distribute them, as the central banks of countries distribute emissions through social needs).
                        Therefore, Marshall’s plan is not a bad substitute for free distribution - first of all, everyone in the world will have a shortage of dollars (since emissions are distributed unfairly, or rather not distributed at all), and satellite users will have an excess of them.
                        Those. The United States temporarily shared its monopoly position with an ally, and Germany temporarily became a country printing dollars, which had a beneficial effect on its economy (but all the other countries of the world had a huge hyperinflation of their national currencies).
                      4. Beck
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                        9 September 2012 21: 42
                        Andrew.

                        Everything is right with bicycles. Why would a future competitor give money for development.

                        So Andrei, we climbed into the jungle, to our ears. The result is one - we have become softer to conduct discussion, and this is already worth a lot. But in the foundations, both are solid.

                        Sorry, but some things. Let's put it off. Time will think, maybe something new will come to mind. Bye. See you later on the site.
                      5. 0
                        9 September 2012 21: 54
                        Well, for me, there was no rigidity.
                        Although this may be a difference in mentality, for us (for Russians) - an unflattering truth in the eye is a sign of trust and friendly disposition (like - who else will tell the truth besides the one who wishes you well).

                        And as for "the foundations are firm" - so it is impossible to persuade a person to persuade him, first of all, he is influenced by authorities, then personal experience and, to a very small extent, logic and persuasion.
                      6. Beck
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                        10 September 2012 09: 17
                        Andrew.

                        I do not agree with your opinion that persuasion is impossible to convince. If this were so, then such a science as propaganda would not have grown out of primitive persuasion, there would be no speeches of candidates at rallies. And personal experience consists of communication, from read printed sources, and this is also talk and persuasion.

                        Well, what about the authorities? Relying on them is not always reasonable. The authority was Aristotle who placed the Earth at the center of the world and its authority prevented humanity from looking differently for thousands of years. In antiquity, he was opposed by Aristarchus of Samos, arguing that in the center of the world is not the Earth, but the Sun. But he was crushed by authority. And only Copernicus finally put everything in its place. And the world realized that the author Aristotle was wrong.

                        Logics. The whole universe is built on three pillars. The law of conservation and conversion of energy. Gravity. And logic. In their confusion they form everything. Without logic, causation, nothing can be understood. And putting logic in one of the last places in your own self-awareness is not at all productive.

                        But all that I posted here is just my opinion.
                      7. 0
                        10 September 2012 12: 33
                        What you referred to as "persuasion" - "rallies, propaganda, ..." - is nothing more than influence through "authorities".
                        The scenario is simple: First, a person is made into an authority - i.e. the one whose words are listened to, and then this person speaks his "authoritative" opinion.
                        That is how the creation of public opinion takes place.
                        That is why artists (or chess players) are involved in propaganda - i.e. people who have received a certain authority - although in reality these "authorities" themselves are poorly versed in life, or even worse sell their popularity for money.
                        This was especially fashionable in the 90s - whatever the hypocrite (i.e. artist) or silk-writer (writer) to broadcast about the economy and the fate of the country, now it has almost come to naught, although ... there is still a bit (remember Sobchak) .
                        Pure logic and persuasion - this is only at such forums where no one knows anything about anyone and cannot "put pressure on authority" - and it is impossible to convince someone without authority.
                        (Although, personally, they repeatedly convinced me at the forums, but these were people who earned authority by their competent posts, and besides, I myself was ready to persuade on a certain topic, but there wasn’t anything else)
                        And they noticed how the information attacks against different states are organized? First of all, the leader of the state is bullshit - this is so that he loses his authority and ceases to listen to him, and a country without a leader is easy prey.
                        I have cut through this policy since the days of "Ukraine without Kuchma".
                        Well, the "Arab Spring" is a classic of the genre in general, textbooks should be written on it - all the leaders turned out to be dictators.
                      8. Beck
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                        10 September 2012 12: 52
                        Andrew.

                        All the same, without logic it is impossible. If there is no recognition of the cause, the consequence cannot be deduced .. The main thing in any discussion is to show the opponent that his consequence does not correspond to the cause of the consequence. If the opponent sees this discrepancy, he will already think about it, and this is a lot
                      9. 0
                        10 September 2012 14: 12
                        It is possible without logic.
                        I somehow, on myself, checked what arguments I needed to believe in whatever thesis.
                        It turned out the quality does not matter - the main quantity.
                        Three different arguments are enough (if there are no arguments against) for a person to start believing, for example, in "the harm of cucumbers."
                        Like: "There is only water in cucumbers, and no use", "Cucumbers look like a genital organ", "If you do not agree with this, you will get it in the eye."
                        (the last argument is the most convincing)
                        This does not at all diverge from my previous thesis about authorities, but if there are no authorities, then you can persuade a person - and even without any logic - even intimidate him - if you give him three reasons why he should believe something in something, he it will believe.
                        This is how militants are recruited - three reasons: religious, money and threats - if applied to any person at the same time, you will get a loyal militant (and even a suicide bomber).
                        Yes, and all world armies were created in the same way - they forcibly recruited peasants, and then these peasants ("for the faith, the king and the fatherland", "for the Party, the Motherland, Stalin" - three! Reasons) performed miracles of heroism.
                        And by the way, in the army, a sergeant is always a very big authority - i.e. to persuasion and the main artillery is attached.
                      10. Beck
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                        10 September 2012 18: 05
                        Anjrey.

                        All the same, without logic it is impossible. Everything that you described is also based on logic.
                      11. 0
                        10 September 2012 17: 03
                        Quote: Beck
                        The world is moving towards a common world economy, towards a common world house - planet Earth.

                        say this: to the Serbs, Libyans, Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians - they will appreciate.
                      12. Beck
                        0
                        10 September 2012 18: 35
                        Carson.

                        Well, that you are so unceremonious. I didn’t say that it will be tomorrow. The whole history of civilization goes from the individual and the cave through the tribe, nationality, nation, state to unification. In one state - planet Earth, and one nation - earthlings.

                        This takes time. I don’t know how much. Maybe 200 years, maybe 500. But these years are not a long time.
                      13. 0
                        10 September 2012 19: 16
                        The world is moving towards plutocracy, where the Morlocks will work hard and serve a small elite, if they disagree, they will clean it up.
                      14. Beck
                        0
                        10 September 2012 20: 03
                        Carson.

                        You have a very gloomy look at the future. So it’s harder to live. I look with optimism. Since it is sure that the HUMAN MIND, it will not allow the unreasonable.
                      15. 0
                        11 September 2012 00: 26
                        I would like to believe, but while mankind spends more on space exploration than advertising on show than space exploration, it’s hard to believe in a bright future for the future, because all the Middle East is blazingly vigorously sharing resources.
                        Something slumbers the human mind, and monsters more and more.
                  2. 0
                    10 September 2012 17: 01
                    Quote: Beck
                    How did US wealth come about?
                    It arose because the most energetic, most volitional, most enterprising people came to the New World from Europe. And from scratch laid, from the 18 century, iron

                    came the most energetic !!!! and immediately brought the blacks wassat and the Negroes built railways poorly, so the Chinese were brought in, who died in tens of thousands laughing and then the energetic decided not to pay taxes and engaged in separatism soldier We managed to fight with all our neighbors and squeeze their land out of sour, simultaneously destroying the indigenous population ---- damn, it’s a pleasure to read you good .
                    1. Beck
                      0
                      10 September 2012 18: 56
                      Carson.

                      I agree with you about the blacks, and about the Chinese and about their civil war, and about the capture of Texas from Mexico.

                      But in order to build roads, factories needed a solution and foresight, needed energy and will. How else to build the most powerful economy in 300 years. 300 years ago, France, England, Russia had more opportunities, but could not. They built on a bare spot.

                      Yes, at first they drove the Indians. Then the US government concluded a reservation agreement with the leaders. The Indians live on the reserves, and the US government ensures their existence. And now the Indians live on reserves and do not plow, do not sow, do not reap. In addition to Alcohol, clothing, and secondary education, they are provided by the US government. If you want to live outside the reservation - please, but then feed yourself.

                      US Negroes now probably thank God that once their ancestors were brought to America. And so they would run now through the jungles of Africa in loincloths. And where are the blacks in the USA now? And everywhere. Even in the presidents.

                      The USA recaptured Mexico from Texas. But it’s still necessary to see who the defender was there. More than the United States did not capture any territory. Almost all of the current central part of the United States until 1812 belonged to France. Napoleon needed money to wage war in Europe and he sold this territory to the US government. In 1867, Russia leased for 100 years to the United States Alaska and California for 7 million gold. In 1967, General Sec. Brezhnev publicly refused claims to Alaska and California, signing the corresponding document. But they could give. How England, after a hundred years, gave China Hong Kong.

                      I think it will give you pleasure.
                      1. 0
                        10 September 2012 19: 21
                        Quote: Beck
                        Yes, at first they drove the Indians.

                        almost complete destruction of the indigenous population drove it? the sale of smallpox infected with smallpox was very secure for the Indians; you google how many Indians are in the states right now.

                        Quote: Beck
                        Negroes of the USA now probably thank God

                        when they lynched the Ku-Kuss-Klan, they squealed with joy.

                        Quote: Beck
                        More than the United States did not capture any territory.

                        Are you sure about this?
                      2. Beck
                        0
                        10 September 2012 19: 56
                        Carson.

                        Dear Well, there were these blankets. So the story. Well, now it's all the end of the world.
                        All states had something. That I should be guilty of you, that your ancestors of the Slav defeated my ancestors in the Kulikovo field. Or you will bark at me because my ancestors destroyed Kiev in 1241. Absurd is complete.

                        Lynched agree, before that they were slaves. All this is bad. But Kennedy has canceled sergregation. And the black man is everywhere now. If the negors would remain in Africa, they would not ride them on the Hamera and eat fast food.

                        American troops entered Europe, Iraq, Grenada, and Japan. But nowhere, not in a single state, did they take away lands and did not attach them to US lands.
                      3. 0
                        11 September 2012 00: 22
                        I kind of threw the link, didn’t get it? crying
                        on the topic of what, from whom did the SGA reveal? weird ...
              3. 0
                9 September 2012 11: 52
                Quote: Beck
                . The United States also prints dollars because they are rich, and not vice versa.

                And such a trifle as providing hard currency? The important thing is not the amount of paper money, but their liquidity, but with such a debt, which can be discussed. See the post above.
                Quote: Andrey_K
                Offline
                Andrey_K UA Yesterday, 20:41 ↑
                - 1 +
              4. 0
                10 September 2012 16: 54
                aaaaa
                Quote: Beck
                The United States is not getting richer because it prints dollars.

                all welders now nervously smoke and envy you good
                expand how SGA get rich printing dollars with every second growing debt
                - I’m all impatient from future revelations, I am scouring the ceiling -
                1. Beck
                  0
                  10 September 2012 19: 05
                  Carlson.

                  Printing money is the consequences.

                  First, the Americans built a powerful production base, prepared powerful production forces. On this and built a powerful economy. On this and the rich. And now for some needs, when you need to include a printing press. But this is only from wealth. Other countries cannot afford this. But it seemed easier to print tenge and live. But for Kazakhstan this is instant inflation and death on inhalation.
                  That's when Russia will become higher than America in the economy, then it will be able to print rubles whenever it wants and how much it wants.
                  1. 0
                    10 September 2012 19: 34
                    Apparently you are far from the economy.
                    1. Beck
                      +1
                      10 September 2012 19: 59
                      Carson.

                      Medic I. I don’t know your profession, but nowhere and has never been forbidden to two or more people to discuss any topic. On this and enriched.
                      1. 0
                        11 September 2012 00: 20
                        let me subscribe - myself such drinks .
            2. donchepano
              0
              8 September 2012 23: 10
              yes sir ... you are absolutely right ...
          3. 0
            10 September 2012 16: 49
            Quote: Beck
            Debt in 16 trillions is for the most part debt to ourselves.

            Awesome good
            I look forward to new economic discoveries fellow .
            1. Beck
              0
              10 September 2012 18: 04
              Carlson.

              Nothing is amazing. The US did not borrow money from anyone.

              The government does not have enough money from the income budget for some programs. The government asks its nat. Bank, that is, the US National Reserve Fund, provide a certain amount. The reserve fund and prints as much as 3 billion, maybe 10 billion. This is the duty.

              That is, the US government owes 10 billion to the US National Reserve Fund. Of course there are some hiccups. But in fact they transferred money from one pocket to another.
              1. 0
                10 September 2012 18: 36
                I'm asking about 16 trillions.
                In general, if you don’t know something, ask.
                I now know that a year ago the SGA owed China $ 1,16 tr. to China, since you are so well versed in the Amer’s economy, do not tell me what is the debt of the SGA to China today? Can I pay it by printing new bucks? and how will the SGA become richer?
                worried about my template ...
                1. Beck
                  0
                  10 September 2012 19: 36
                  Carlson.

                  Respected. I am not an economist, otherwise I would have given more compelling arguments.

                  16 trillion dollars is the sum of all money printed by the US Reserve Fund somewhere in 20-30 years. Starting seems to be President Nixon. Printed, printed here and kicked today.

                  What America with China, I did not delve into. I only know that the Chinese keep their assets in dollars and have accumulated a very large amount. I don’t know how to figure it out there. With a critical development of events, the United States will be bad, but not fatal.

                  The US economy accounts for about 25% of the global economy. Europe 25. It seems Japan, South Korea somewhere 20. The rest are about 30 the rest of the world.

                  The rapid growth of the Chinese economy, this is relative. A rough example.
                  China in 90 produced 100 computers a year. in 2000, 10000. In quantitative terms, not much, and in percentage terms, computer production increased by 100%. The United States produced computers in 90, 100, in 000, 2000, in the amount of a lot as a percentage of only 100%. growth.

                  Therefore, China is called developing, it began many production from scratch.
                  1. 0
                    11 September 2012 00: 19
                    well, let's not go deep into the economy, let's take a rough example:
                    How many industrial enterprises did the SGA transfer from its territory to China?
                    1. Beck
                      0
                      11 September 2012 13: 56
                      Carlson.

                      Respected. The transfer of production to territories with lower production costs is a global trend, and not only the United States. Production is transferred to countries where labor is cheaper.

                      Europe, America, Japan, South Korea became the design bureau of the world. Here, on the basis of the latest achievements of science, advanced technologies are created. Which provide the best performance. But the production of goods based on these technologies is transferred to developing countries. To Eastern Europe, to China, to Thailand, to Malaysia, to South America and further. Except for Africa, since the productive forces themselves are not developed at this moment.

                      In these design bureaus there were only strategic productions - defense and the like. And here, not only the benefits of the design bureau, but also for developing countries - people are busy, get paid and they don’t have to go abroad somewhere, in search of a better share.

                      This is a natural development process.
  11. Evil Tatar
    +1
    8 September 2012 14: 40
    A huge request to the author, Oleg Chuvakin, to review the comments of Chinese bloggers on topics about Russia and its power, topics on the Russian military-industrial complex and articles on a possible military confrontation between Russia and China ...

    Review, as always +
  12. vladimir64ss
    +1
    8 September 2012 15: 49
    Georgian friend Rasmussen. "" But it looks like Sahak is being drained. The last visit to the dying man. How else to explain that the head of NATO says that he will not abide by the NATO charter. And then there is a medical program in the states junk.
    Quote: Kaa
    Maybe a thread of "vigorous Russian peasant" to start cooking? laughing

    Yeah, I'm fighting Moses. Thank you for the review.
    Quote: Angry Tatar
    Oleg Chuvakin to review the comments of Chinese bloggers

    Support.
    1. +2
      9 September 2012 08: 51
      Evgeniy (Angry Tatar)
      Vladimir

      Hello comrades! Expect the article on Thursday.
      Oleg.
  13. CARBON
    +2
    8 September 2012 16: 55
    If I had a wife like Hillary, I would also walk, without any twinges of conscience.

    Bad goat!
    1. +4
      8 September 2012 23: 02
      Quote: CARBON
      If I had a wife like Hillary, I would also walk, without any twinges of conscience.

      Yes, an unenviable fate would probably be waiting for you with her
      After all, this lady is so rude, and probably not find evil
      Imagined? - how are you kissed, (may I not dream in nightmares)
      After all, you would be chained to her, sit at home in shackles

      You say - Bill was running away, -Do not forget who you are, who he is
      After all, Bill covered with his chest, the whole white house and the Pentagon
      wink
    2. donchepano
      0
      8 September 2012 23: 13
      yeah to ... rga specific .. and maybe freeged ..
  14. 11Goor11
    +1
    8 September 2012 17: 30
    A Thousand Years of Darkness Await America if Obama Is Re-Filed

    What a naive Chuck Norris, a thousand years of darkness awaits America in any case, whoever they reelected there.
    1. +1
      8 September 2012 19: 35
      Quote: 11Goor11
      A Thousand Years of Darkness Await America if Obama Is Re-Filed

      America has already plunged into darkness, moral for sure.
  15. +2
    8 September 2012 17: 47
    For review as always "FAT PLUS"
    Regarding the statements of Chinese bloggers - everything is right about mattresses
    Regarding the presidency of the Clintons, let her first survive. There are more than enough people who want to bang this damn doll. Still they will have to pacify - who will be the first
  16. +1
    8 September 2012 22: 47
    It is possible that the frail Clinton will become Yusov’s president in 2016. Before Barak’s election to 2008, he was the Clinton’s invited to a meeting of the Beidelberg group, they went to the election company with a slight gap and the possibility was not ruled out that the president would become frail, but the puppeteers apparently decided, that it’s too early for her and they’ve chosen Saray Obamycha, here she is a point and vomits for what was promised.
  17. +1
    9 September 2012 06: 20
    Regarding envy, I already answered Beck that I personally have nothing to envy, I have everything. Well, if you constantly compare with someone, then you can go crazy. Compared to Abramovich, I am poverty, of course. But you can't take it with you to the next world. There is a good saying “There are no pockets or wallets in the coffin.” It seems that Beck is financially not wealthy and is constantly pressed by a toad with envy. Well, the fact that Putin and Clintons are smiling at each other is politics. We have no war with them. Are you suggesting that Putin stick a knife in her side?
    1. Beck
      -1
      9 September 2012 10: 36
      COURSE.

      Well, why did you turn everything upside down. I’m financially self-sufficient. I spoke about the dependence of the cheers on the prosperous country of the United States. I don’t see other reasons to blame the rich state for the patriots. If you see, explain. That's the point of discussion.

      The fact of the matter is that politics and Putin and Hilary are smiling at each other. They will defend the interests of their countries, it is natural, but civilized. And not at the urging of the cheers-pats calling the statesman of another country with all sorts of obscene words.
      1. 0
        9 September 2012 11: 54
        Quote: Beck

        Beck (1) KZ Today, 10:36 ↑ new
        - 0 +

        Well, they returned to our sheep, whom and how to consider a patriot in general?
      2. +1
        9 September 2012 14: 11
        Becku

        The fact is that we (our government) do not build mean things for amers. Let us bend our line in international politics, we are not going to make the United States a raw material appendage. We do not believe that their lakes do not belong to them, but to the whole world. Etc. etc. We are not trying to destroy their country, I hope they will fall apart. Well, that's why I think young people mock these "decent" people. Thank you for not offended, but answered normally.
        1. Beck
          +1
          9 September 2012 14: 45
          I'm doing it.

          I heard that you are a tankman. Congratulations. I am a senior sergeant, tank commander.

          Firstly, from the USA at the moment, no one can make a raw materials appendage. And I did not see the American attempts to try to make some kind of appendage from Russia. It’s just that the communist regime has brought Great Russia to such a state that now Russia cannot provide anything to the world market except raw materials. If it weren’t for the revolution, it is still unknown who would be the hegemon in the world. But it happened.

          And if Amers wanted to ruin Russia, well, they would not have allowed Russia into the WTO. I always said no need to cherish a country that in 300 years has achieved what others have not achieved in a thousand years. It is necessary to take from them all the best and overtake, and not to dog for every trifle.
          1. 0
            9 September 2012 16: 02
            I had to be a rocket scientist, as an electronics engineer. But I became a surveyor in the railway troops. The cunning eye was my army whooper. Also Art. sergeant dmb 1983. Well, the second coincidence, also from Kazakhstan, is a shabby.
            At one of the meetings, President Clinton personally announced that Russia had become a raw materials appendage. They are forced to put into the WTO, it is economically profitable for them. This is about how you noticed the smiles of Putin and Clintons. I would love to bite each other, but forced to smile. But they wanted to and always want to ruin Russia, and before that, the USSR. The best they can do is crap around the world.
            1. Beck
              +1
              9 September 2012 18: 21
              I'm doing it.

              I have been raising virgin soil in Kustanai since I was five. Countrymen mean and it’s nice.

              Clinton was stating a fact. But he did not advance Russia to this. All this was done by the communist government. It was she who left plants with antediluvian technologies, whose products the world did not need. In addition to the defense industry. And you need to live, so I had to focus on the sale of raw materials. But I think this stage will pass. Russia has scientific potential, they built Skolkovo, some of the technologies Russia will slowly take over, like China and after some years Russia will enter the front ranks. Russia has all the prerequisites for this. Vast expanses, raw materials, people, science, mentality, culture.

              Just don’t need to blame everything that’s not ours and bark everything that’s not ours. Behind the noise, you can slip a turn.
              1. +1
                10 September 2012 07: 22
                Beck.
                It's not about someone else’s fault. There is a good saying, we don’t need someone else’s, and we won’t give up our own. There is a very good dealmedia site, where they chewed up information and not specifically ordered, but lay out the points. No one argues that the United States is an advanced country. But it’s good to be at the forefront at someone else’s expense.

                “Russia is a bankrupt in all respects country, which should plunge into chaos, poverty and continuous ethnic conflicts in the coming years. Russia is a “black hole” that does not have any geopolitical choice in its life, because in essence it is only about its physical survival in its purest form. Russia needs to be divided into parts, it will then consist of a loose confederation of European Russia, the Siberian Republic and the Far Eastern Republic, which, individually, would be much easier to establish close economic relations with Europe, the new Central Asian states and with the East. However, any integration of Russia into the expanded world order of the West is impossible, Russia is too backward a country, economically brought communism to poverty, and therefore it is unable to become a more or less suitable democratic partner for the USA. Russia is a defeated geopolitical rival, and takes the place of a weak, backward, problematic and surrounded on all sides of the country, which is denied the role of any respected geopolitical player. "

                Z. Brzezinski, “Big Chessboard”, 1997
                1. Beck
                  +2
                  10 September 2012 10: 46
                  I'm doing it.

                  Anyway, I don’t understand how America lives at the expense of others. Her science, her technology provides the productive forces with everything necessary to move on and be richer. That they take away iron ore from Congo for free, diamonds from South Africa, electronics from the Japanese Ministry of Health. They buy the missing, maybe they steal something from industrial espionage. So industrial espionage is not their invention and everyone uses it. And the fact that financial relationships are complex is an established order. Well, I can’t admit that the USA is robbing everyone, and the whole world is walking around in fools. He sees that they are stealing, he sees that they are robbing and is silent. The USA is robbing Europe, China, Russia, India, and Japan, and they are giving it back. But I can not take the above countries for round idiots.

                  Bzezhinsky 1997. So we have Zhirinovsky. They would bring them together, the whole world would laugh. Now specifically. Brzezinski said this in 1997. In the midst of collapse. Which of what he said came true? But nothing. Russia has risen, strengthened and is gaining strength. All the greats are considered the position of Russia, since it is great. And Russia did not fall apart into the Far Eastern and Siberian republics. All this only says that Brzezinski is a worthless analyst who takes into account only the current and does not look into the future. And they are not guided by his calculations 15 years ago, today's world leaders. And do not equate these calculations with today's US policy.
          2. 0
            9 September 2012 18: 31
            It was not the communist regime that brought Russia to such a state, but the collapse of the entire Soviet Union, the collapse of the united raw-material base, the severance of all production ties with the former republics, and much more. So blaming the current situation on the Communist regime of that time is at least wrong.
            1. Beck
              0
              9 September 2012 19: 39
              Oleg.

              "It was not the communist regime that brought the USSR to collapse"

              And what then brought.? All power is in the hands of one party. They controlled everything and the raw material base, and production relations, and republics. And much more than the Communists ruled.

              So poorly managed if everything fell apart. A good owner and a wattle fence on the rear base is level.
              1. +1
                10 September 2012 17: 12
                For now, with a multi-party system, everything is in order ....
                1. Beck
                  0
                  10 September 2012 19: 07
                  Carson.

                  For any multi-party system is better than totalitarianism. Just started. But it doesn’t happen right away. In ten to twenty years everything will be better.
                  1. 0
                    10 September 2012 19: 36
                    In the SGA, a two-party system, after the 11 of September they have totalitarianism, you did not disclose the advantages of a multi-party system.
                    1. Beck
                      0
                      10 September 2012 20: 11
                      Carson.

                      Respected. For me personally, a multi-party system has the main quality. I have a choice. The choice between this or that, third or fourth.
                      1. 0
                        11 September 2012 00: 16
                        Even in the democratic light of the world - the SGA has no choice, they choose from two, with each representing certain financial circles that sponsor it in the elections, and then it works out during the presidency, in the other so-called democracies sad the time of independent candidates has sunk into the summer. With all due respect, you, however, like my choice in the election, sorry for the pun, is to understand which candidate is worse and vote against him.
                        I will say more democracy does not exist, there is plutocracy - the power of the oligarchs.
                      2. Beck
                        0
                        11 September 2012 14: 17
                        Carlson.

                        By and large, democracy is everywhere at the moment. Everywhere the foundations of the democracy that were laid in ancient Greece. Another question and the BIG, that it is everywhere, in execution, is different. Good to bad and very bad.

                        I agree with you. With you, the choice is small and it tends to zero. But this does not mean, in my opinion, that if it’s bad here, then it’s also bad there. The same plutocracy also hides behind democratic clothes.

                        There is a good saying - "You can't get over all women, you can't drink all the vodka. But you have to STRIVE for this." So, in my opinion, we must strive for democracy, the best has not yet been invented. When they come up with the best, then we will drop democracy.
          3. +1
            10 September 2012 17: 11
            Quote: Beck
            Russia cannot provide anything to the world market except raw materials.

            knowledge is simply amazing wink .
            636 pr. submarines are built not only for the Black Sea Fleet and not only Vietnam is buying them smile .
            1. Beck
              0
              10 September 2012 19: 14
              Carlson.

              Dear do not snatch a quote from their context ..

              I say that Russia and Kazakhstan cannot provide products that meet international standards to the world market. And this is all the legacy of the communist system. When the focus was not on quality, but on the shaft.

              To some extent, only Russian defense products meet international requirements. And then taking into account the fact that equipment is sold at low prices, this is what developing countries use. They have no money for high-tech equipment from the West.
              1. 0
                10 September 2012 19: 39
                Non-nuclear submarines were put on the market by France and lost the tender in a number of countries to the Russian Ave. 636 Are you sure that because
                Quote: Beck
                taking into account the fact that equipment is sold at low prices, which is what developing countries use. They have no money for high-tech equipment from the West.
                ?
                1. Beck
                  0
                  10 September 2012 20: 09
                  Carlson.

                  I did not know about this tender. Now, thanks to you, I know. So the boat is cool. And I note, without unnecessary emotions. Because communication gives a lot.

                  But still, for the most part, we do not have world-class products. And this is not our misfortune today. This is the misfortune of the communist past.
                  1. 0
                    11 September 2012 00: 09
                    Stalin-the damned reached out !!!
                    But forgive me if in the total bloody hell of totalitarianism from the completely destroyed AGRARIAN country in 20 years, bloody ghouls were able to build a super-industrial power (1920-1941), then it prevented the building of a country with dairy rivers and jelly in twenty years of progressive democracy and a market economy Communists? or the past?
                    damned tsarism did not prevent the communists bully .
  18. 0
    9 September 2012 12: 03
    Chuck well done (probably)
    There are two questions:
    1. Will the roundhouse kick be shown live?
    2. Where do they take bets on where Obama will fly as a result?

    Pe Se. Wonderful review
  19. +1
    9 September 2012 14: 11
    digestion was upset (in fact, it was not even upset), which cost him $ 11000 - because of which he was declared bankrupt Now I understand what it means to "Ask .. Get all the money"
  20. Dmitry 77
    0
    9 September 2012 19: 55
    Apparently the West did not learn the lessons of September 11th. By supporting the Islamists, Europe and the other "free world" are digging their own grave. More than one government based on theocracy does not accept liberalism, which these countries hold so dear. Already now this is noticeable in European countries where a large percentage of immigrants from Arab countries, they began to "pump up the rights" so to speak, will soon demand the introduction of Sharia law, and we remember what this led to in Chechnya.
  21. nickname 1 and 2
    0
    12 September 2012 12: 34
    Beck,
    GDP is the total indicator for the entire product (goods, material values) produced in the country, to help you understand, I will give you an example: in Cuba, there was a lot of money before Fidel, but they were from sex services! Those. there were many brothels where the entire female population served all visitors well! There was no shortage of customers because the cubes were naturally endowed with high sexuality. And there was a lot of money, but the country was miserable, because there was nothing besides anything (i.e. that same GDP) Well, somewhere like that! In China - now the population of 1,5 billion GDP is now high (the world is littered with Chinese products) but, if divided, per capita, they are still far from the USA.
    I took it from here: Ivan Kushnir Institute of Economics and Law = http://www.be5.biz/makroekonomika/gdp/gdp_usa.html
    The source seems to be independent!
    USA year
    China
    Japan
    Germany
    France

    1970 4893 113 1957 2674 2876
    1971 5266 118 2178 3087 3206
    2005 42329 1747 36015 33511 35035
    2006 44448 2120 34500 35173 36756
    2007 46188 2644 34605 40283 41817
    2008 46621 3412 38563 43941 45605
    2009 45059 3784 39770 40034 42037
    2010 46546 4279 43142 39853 40773
    Understand yourself or with the help of someone, but not relying on a number, not having studied it, you are just “empty-handed” - I apologize for this word! But you won’t erase a word from a song !!!
    You compose fairy tales for children! There is enough space on the site - exercise.