40 seconds of open combustion of the engine: Some details of the fall of the military transport aircraft Il-112V in the suburbs

There are some details related to the fall of the Il-112V military transport aircraft in the Moscow region. Recall that this aircraft was a prototype of the newest military transport aircraft being created in our country. It should become one of the foundations of the military transport aviation (VTA) Russian Aerospace Forces. After the disaster, the prospects for the start of serial production in the near future of such machines become very vague.

During the flight, the Il-112V crew encountered problems in the right engine. Experienced pilots who were in the cockpit informed the "ground" about this, noting that they were making efforts to turn off the ignited aircraft engine.

In such a situation, the crew decided to act according to the worked out scheme: block the operation of the engine, engulfed in flames, and then make a landing approach with a turn. The turn was carried out in the right direction - namely "towards" the ignited engine.

However, all the efforts of the pilots were in vain. According to the latest information, the engine continued to run, which caused an additional increase in the consequences of its combustion. There was no longer an opportunity to correct the transcendental inclination that had arisen.

The pilots tried to make the approach maneuver "through the turn" about 25 seconds after the start of the open combustion of the engine. After another 15 seconds, the Il-112V military transport aircraft fell. When the car fell, it made almost a full revolution around the central axis, after which eyewitnesses saw a column of fire smoke rising in the area of ​​the forest.

It must be stated that the crew of the test aircraft took all measures to take the transport worker away from residential areas.

Recall that initially the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation refused to accept the aircraft for testing due to the fact that its mass exceeded the standard parameters. Then there was evidence that it was necessary to carry out the revision of the engines. As a result, as the situation shows, the car rose in the air, apparently remaining technically "raw". At least, this is how flight experts interpret the situation.

For reference: the Il-112V aircraft was produced at the Voronezh aircraft building plant. The start of operation in the Russian Aerospace Forces was scheduled for 2022.

The plane arrived from Voronezh in the Moscow region on August 13.

Comments

[yfast]

The planes are falling as ordered.

[mark1]

Quote: yfast

as per order

Yes, regularly and progressively. Also, space events from the time of "Proton" to "Science" raise questions

[Shurik70]

Someone filmed it on the phone.
I shot it somehow too well - I started shooting BEFORE the engine caught fire
The plane went at a low altitude, entered the ground with a corkscrew and immediately caught fire. The crew had no chance.
https://www.facebook.com/rbc.ru/videos/451179049191730
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[Captain45]

Quote: Shurik70

Someone filmed it on the phone.
I shot it somehow too well - I started shooting BEFORE the engine caught fire
The plane went at a low altitude, entered the ground with a corkscrew and immediately caught fire. The crew had no chance.

In an article about the fall of the Be-200 in Turkey, I asked similar questions. Somehow it turns out that a minute before the plane crashes, there is always a slacker who takes pictures of the catastrophe in all the details. And if you remember the death of "Empress Mary", which was also filmed by someone in all details on a camera. I'm not a supporter of conspiracy theory, well, somehow everything is on time, in the right place ...

[mark1]

A wave is already rising - "... the engines are rubbish ...", and if they are "rubbish" then we cut several programs at once (Il-114, 112, Mi-38 ...)

[demo]

All that was not necessary to do, and this - to destroy science, reduce research funding, turn learning into "guess the right answer" and a host of other destructive actions committed over the past 20 years, has been done.
The one who is not spoken of has practically withdrawn from the real government of the state.
And the state, in response to oblivion, "works like a clock."
The country is rolling downhill at an ever-increasing speed.
I fell alone, in a country that was not and will not be friendly to us. Another fell. Raw and untested. Millions of hectares of forest are on fire. The people are beginning to understand that not everything is as good in the country as the Skabeyevs, Popovs and Solovievs are trying to sing for us.

[wow]

Don `t cry !!! It's disgusting to listen to liberals like you. The history of aviation is written in blood, I speak like an aviation professional. Unfortunately, it will not be otherwise.

[demo]

Don't "poke" me. Such as "you" are not aviation professionals, but pig herders. For me, as no one knows better the level of education of those who graduated from aviation schools or worked in the aviation industry.
Such a conclusion about "you" is made on the basis of a small dash - "History of Aviation on written blood, .... "
Learn to write correctly. Specialist, fucking.
If you had a little more culture, I would talk about those with whom I am related, with whom I communicated, and who I am.

[Souchastnik]

If it is true that you are an aviation specialist, then you should be alerted by 4 accidents per week. And you should not discuss the political views of the forum participant, but the professional aspects of what happened.
Explain to the forum users the reasons for what happened and your point of view.

[Greg Miller]

It's just that the plane is so ... Ghostly ... It's a pity the crew, sincere condolences to their families and friends ..

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

What about the crew?

[Greg Miller]

The crew, unfortunately, died ...

[For example]

I wonder why they threw it to the Swimmer?
Video in the subject.
This plane is rubbish.
The pilots did not die because of a bad engine.

Here on the face of the quackery of people sawing the budget.

[krops777]

Here on the face of the quackery of people sawing the budget.

Under the USSR, prototypes fell, did they also saw the budget? There is no need to make a flood here, such a profession is a test pilot.

[For example]

Quote: krops777

Under the USSR, prototypes fell ...

Give an example.
An example of a transport aircraft that was approved by the military, and as a result it (the aircraft) did not meet the requirements, but it (the aircraft) was stubbornly pushed into production.

Guess from three times how long the designers and responsible people in the party who were involved in such a scam would have held their positions?

Why does a tragedy have to happen in order to admit a mistake?

Judging by the minuses and caps up, no one is going to admit a mistake.

The right way go comrades.
Only this road to the grave.

[krops777]

Guess from three times how long the designers and responsible people in the party who were involved in such a scam would have held their positions?

How many cars fell at Tupolev's, Mikoyan’s not even going to count anything, the posts haven’t lost anything, but not military transport, but it doesn’t change the essence of the matter, there are experimental failures, and if you say that the loot has been cut, then give the facts too.

[Captain45]

Quote: krops777

How many cars fell at Tupolev,

"Tu-104 is the fastest aircraft,
Who will fly on it
they will carry him quietly, "
I remember there was such a rhyme during my childhood. There was probably a reason for such folk art.

[vetchinckin.iur]

The Tu 22 was named by the pilots as a man-eater. And so in the union, for example, in 79, up to 200 boards did not reach 179 crashed

[Looking for]

almost bull's-eye.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: For example

Give an example.
An example of a transport aircraft that was approved by the military, and as a result it (the aircraft) did not meet the requirements, but it (the aircraft) was stubbornly pushed into production.

I can give an example of a bomber and an interceptor, which were mass-produced, surrendered to the Air Force and served in units without being put into service.
Or you can recall the Tu-22 "clean".

[SHURUM -BURUM]

I am not an aviator, but I suppose that transport aircraft should have more aerodynamic quality than other aircraft. And this, excuse me, is a stump. An ugly plane and a logical outcome. Sincere sickness to the families of the deceased crew.

[krillon]

No more handsome than the States. The truth is that this is hardware and it is not known when it will fail. It is enough to read the reports of the insurance companies conducting their investigation, I'm not talking about Russia. The question was whether the fire extinguishing systems were involved, in the video there is an open flame up to the fall of the board.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Maybe the fire extinguishing system worked, but if there was a rupture of the fuel line (my version), then in this situation the fire extinguishing system will not save. And the rupture can be associated with the deformation of the airframe elements.

[Ilya Nikitich]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

An ugly plane and a logical outcome.

Taste and color ... Myasishchev had beautiful planes, but nevertheless. Anyway, in the world aviation history there are so many "ugly ducklings" ...

[Maximilian37]

Quote: SHURUM -BURUM

I am not an aviator, but I suppose that transport aircraft should have more aerodynamic quality than other aircraft. And this, excuse me, is a stump. An ugly plane and a logical outcome. Sincere sickness to the families of the deceased crew.

you are accepted to the post of general artist, henceforth, write your reasons to the customer.

[Zdishek]

Yak-1 and many yak models in the initial stage

[mmaxx]

This is how the Ukrainian engines were pushed into the An-12.

[9lvariag]

An-10, An-22. Tu-16, Tu-104, Tu-144, 3M Not enough?

[Andobor]

Quote: krops777

No need to make a flood here

What flood? - There are a lot of anti-Russian bot farms in the network, the West is consistently allocating money, they try to whine any positive, - and they will certainly dance on the corpses.

[max702]

An acquaintance of mine, the PIC, drove the flight accident investigation team, that is, those people who investigate accidents, I somehow asked him, and often fell? To which he replied, an average of two weeks on the investigation so I spent six months at home at home .. So count how many planes fell a year, and yes there were two such commissions ..

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: max702

An acquaintance of mine, the PIC, drove the flight accident investigation team.

Faced with this An-12, crew commander Major; senior lieutenant colonel and specialists in all specialties. There was some other equipment installed on the plane. In our case, in three days everything was decomposed by seconds and could not determine the condition of several kg of equipment out of ten and a half tons of dry weight.

[max702]

Perhaps just with him, he is the same major and the same An-12 ..

[Pete mitchell]

The world is a tight thing we were then told that this is the only such aircraft in the Union and that they are engaged in operational disassembly, especially where everything did not just happen due to the fault of technology. In our case floating failure who showed himself twice: the first time it blew, the second time too - they managed to jump. And all this was dug up by a friend who was involved in the documentation ...
May God give them all health, they did the right thing

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Why didn't the fire extinguishing systems in the engine compartment work as they should?

[sabakina]

Quote: SHURUM -BURUM

Why didn't the fire extinguishing systems in the engine compartment work as they should?

Because this is not the movie "Wingspan". I have a feeling that there was no fire extinguishing system there at all.

[mmaxx]

The system was mounted, but it did not work. Rather like that. The usual thing during trials.

[iouris]

This will not help.
They tell you: the plane was not supposed to take off. A strong-willed decision was made. Here is the result.

[SSR]

Quote: For example

I wonder why they threw it to the Swimmer?
Video in the subject.
This plane is rubbish.
The pilots did not die because of a bad engine.

Here on the face of the quackery of people sawing the budget.

Go to the "comrade" stump.
Are you ok?
The plane is "trash" and the engine is "super"?
Respect the people who are doing their job and don't post about things that you have absolutely no idea about.
Here on many commentators face - puppies.
Comrades "experts", please be quiet.

[Captain45]

Quote: For example

This plane is rubbish.
The pilots did not die because of a bad engine.

Are you an aeronautical engine expert? How many engines have you created? How many went into production, on which aircraft are they operated? I can not hear! So shut up the fountain, as Kozma Prutkov used to say! It's easier to say that the site's tolerance rules do not allow!

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Greg Miller

The crew, unfortunately, died ...

Sorry for the guys.

[sav]

Quote: Greg Miller

The crew, unfortunately, died

It is a pity that bailouts are not provided in such planes.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: sav

Quote: Greg Miller

The crew, unfortunately, died

It is a pity that bailouts are not provided in such planes.

And even this comment was slapped with a minus)
There are no words, only emotions. For hamsters, on VO there is an old tradition in articles about tragedies not to put minuses and pluses.

[Looking for]

how will there be 5-7 chevrons. then talk about traditions. and while sucking knightly pieces of iron and knives with your Shpakovsky.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Seeker

how will there be 5-7 chevrons. then talk about traditions. and while sucking knightly pieces of iron and knives with your Shpakovsky.

My baby Cat on the first Nick from November 2013. I have been reading Shpakovsky since 1995, I have been communicating in PM since 2014. I do not have a frail shelf of his books at home, what can you, my dear fellow, boast of, except for one fat stripe and epaulettes of horror on VO?

[Ilya Nikitich]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

except for one fat stripe and horror epaulettes

Why does the saying ****** without a stripe immediately come to mind, like a bath without a plug? So ***** is not a nationality, and even more so not citizenship (PMSM), but a mental illness ...

[Elephant]

Question to the experts: Maybe with this engine accident it was more expedient to make not the right, but the left turn. Perhaps then the plane would not have fallen into a tailspin. The second question - what kind of engines are they if they cannot provide sufficient thrust on one running one ???

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Elephant

Perhaps then the plane would not have fallen into a tailspin.

Judging by the video, I suppose a sharp wedge of the screw, and the screw there is plump. Most likely, the guys pulled until the last without putting the screw on the minimum resistance to the oncoming flow, and then a sharp wedge and a coup on this side. Or the screw was no longer controlled and then jammed.

[FrankyStein]

There is such a dance, and some kind of mechanization could jam.

[SSR]

Quote: Elephant

The second question - what kind of engines are they if they cannot provide sufficient thrust on one running one ???

The question is not only about the engine.
In addition to the engine, there are also a lot of units.
Here along the way, a fucking bunch of factors.
And it was they who led not to an accident but to a catastrophe.

[Ilya Nikitich]

Quote: Elephant

what kind of engines are they if they cannot provide sufficient thrust on one running one ???

Aerodynamics is a Moskalska pseudoscience.
Just think a little:
1.how the propeller creates such thrust,
2.How do air brakes with such a small area work,
3.if the screw is not feathering, what resistance does it offer ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Greg Miller

It's just that the plane is so ... Ghostly ... It's a pity the crew, sincere condolences to their families and friends ..

Another portion of low-quality propaganda. You contradict yourself by saying that the plane is ghostly.

[For example]

Where is the propaganda? Propaganda for what?

The plane is, in fact, rubbish.

Or is everything that has been done in Russia a masterpiece by default?
Bullshit.

Watch the video.
Of course, it's easier to read the headlines ...

[Orange bigg]

... Watch the video.

See the agitation for yourself.

The plane is, in fact, rubbish.

Who do you work for that you push so hard, trying to convince that everything we do is rubbish? In your opinion, is the F-35 rubbish, which already has quite a few accidents, or, from your point of view, the F-35 is a good car, it just often crashes? Errors will be taken into account and brought to mind the Il-112V.

[For example]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Who do you work for that you work so hard,

The aircraft does not meet either the stated requirements of the military or the manufacturer's specifications.
On the face of a banal cut of the budget.
The tragedy is that the pilots were killed as a result.

And you breed chatter.

You need to design a normal plane.
Correct from scratch, not push through this misunderstanding.

It's the 21st century, 21 years old, and there is no plane to replace the An26 in the country.
And there won't be another ten years.
For only cats are born quickly.

[Orange bigg]

Let's agitate on the training manual further. Trying in vain.

... The aircraft does not meet either the stated requirements of the military or the manufacturer's specifications.

For two years, the car was altered, after which it began to meet the requirements of the military.

... You need to design a normal plane.
design from scratch, and not push through this misunderstanding.

Well, from scratch, not from scratch, but now the topic will be taken seriously.

.And you breed chatter.

I can say the same about you.

[For example]

Quote: OrangeBigg

For two years, the car was altered, after which it began to meet the requirements of the military.

Then she fell.

This plane cannot deliver 5 tons for 6 thousand km.

The plane stupidly caught fire and crashed.
Empty!!!!!!
This is a complete scribe.
I flew to the exhibition ...

Someone masters a lot of money.
Suckers used to drink it, and normal guys master it. Veron?

Everyone wants to be proud of their homeland.
But being proud of sloppiness and negligence does not make sense.

This plane will be able to fly only if a law is passed that will oblige officials to fly only on it.
Competent engineers will appear immediately.
The engine, wings, avionics will be drawn.

Only as a result it will be a different plane. And the name can be left, for those who are proud ...

[Orange bigg]

... Then she fell.

Prototype Testing. Anything can happen.

... This plane cannot deliver 5 tons for 6 thousand km.

Personally checked?

The plane stupidly caught fire and crashed.
This is a complete scribe.
I flew to the exhibition ...

Do not swear.

.Someone is mastering a lot of money.
Suckers used to drink this, and normal guys master it. Veron? wink

Your personal view of the situation.

[Eug]

5 tons per 6000 km.? Is this a normal mission for a LIGHT transport? And the volume of the cargo compartment is outwardly much larger than on the An-26 ..

[spectr]

Well, from scratch, not from scratch, but now the topic will be taken seriously.

And who will take it? Old personnel are dying out, but there are no new ones yet (if there were, the plane had already flown). Here, either recall the decisions of Peter 1 and invite specialists from abroad in those specialties where we have a "hole", or pour money into our own, realizing that the roll-out period of the product will be shifted by another 10 years.

[Orange bigg]

... And who will take it? Old personnel are dying out, but there are no new ones yet (if there were, the plane had already flown). Here, either recall the decisions of Peter 1 and invite specialists from abroad in those specialties where we have a "hole" formed,

Didn't the Il-112V fly today, even if it crashed while landing? Those who have previously undertaken and designed the Il-112V, Il-114-300, MS-21-300, Il-76MD-90A, Il-96-400M will take it. We don’t need to invite Trojan horses from abroad. They will even sabotage or siphon off the information. And from which abroad? From Western Europe or what? Only in Russia has survived the production of aircraft from the entire former Soviet Union. Will they figure out and build a new Il-112V, why are you so worried?

. or to pump money into their own, realizing that the roll-out period of the product will be shifted by another 10 years.

What 10 years? A year or two at most.

[Dude]

What 10 years? A year or two at most.

A year or two, to restore the engineering and design personnel in the aviation industry?
Yes, you are just an incorrigible optimist ...

[Orange bigg]

Restoration? And we do not have these personnel? Who then created and raised the Il-112V, Il-114-300, MS-21-300, Il-76MD-90A if, according to your words, we do not have engineering design Who then builds the Il-96-300 and Tu-214 if there are no personnel? How then did the Su-57, MiG-35 be created?

[2 Level Advisor]

of the above, almost all are modifications and improvements invented and created in the USSR. New in these machines, yes, of course there are many. But not a car from scratch. and some of the above is that while there were one or a little more prototypes, there were several such piece flying samples in the USSR a year, and many did not go further.

[Dude]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Restoration? And we do not have these personnel? Who then created and raised the Il-112V, Il-114-300, MS-21-300, Il-76MD-90A if, according to your words, we do not have engineering design Who then builds the Il-96-300 and Tu-214 if there are no personnel? How then did the Su-57, MiG-35 be created?

Do not hysteria. All the types you listed: IL-112, -114, -76, Tu-214 - Soviet projects, MS-21 - reincarnation of Yak-242, MiG-35 - deep modernization of MiG-29.
Inconsistency, you say?
No, it's just time to admit that we have problems with engineering and personnel.
We stay afloat only due to the "baggage" of the school and old cadres, and they do not last forever.
Alas.

[Orange bigg]

Do not hysteria.

This phrase is relevant to you. You are all trying to prove to me that everything is supposedly Soviet, but how much Soviet is there in the current MS-21-300 / 310? Soviet engines, or Soviet avionics, or Soviet composite materials?
This plane was created from scratch, and you tell me that it is Soviet. On the Soviet Yak-242, even the design work was not completed under the Union. Even the project was not ready, and you are telling me about reincarnation in the person of MC-21-300 / 31. There were only developments.

Yak-242 is an unrealized project of a passenger aircraft of the Yakovlev Design Bureau, work on which was carried out in 1993. The project involved a deep modernization of the Yak-42 aircraft. According to its characteristics, the aircraft was supposed to take an intermediate position between short-haul and medium-haul passenger aircraft. The project provided for the release in cargo-passenger and cargo versions in addition to the basic passenger.

The project was not implemented due to financial difficulties. The design work was suspended, but later resumed together with the NPK Irkut, where the project developments were used to create the MS-21.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%BA-242

The only thing that can be called Soviet is the Tu-214. All the other listed are actually the latest modifications, but deeply worked out and reworked. For the same Il-76MD-90A, the carrying capacity increased to 60 tons.

[Dude]

The only thing that can be called Soviet is the Tu-214. All the other listed are actually the latest modifications, but deeply worked out and reworked. For the same Il-76MD-90A, the carrying capacity increased to 60 tons.

Everything is clear with you, only slogans and loud phrases, understanding of the subject of the conversation is zero.
I send my head in ashes, you are right, but I am not. Everything is fine with us with aircraft construction, aerospace instrumentation, chemical automation. Engine building on horseback. Forgive me, I will obey - I am an agent of the State Department, and I rock the boat. (Sarcasm.)
However, the topic is inappropriate, so I propose to end our dialogue here.

[poquello]

Quote: Dude

understanding of the subject of the conversation - zero.

what are you talking about, knowing understanding? the engine caught fire - the industry has already been buried

[Dude]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Dude

understanding of the subject of the conversation - zero.

what are you talking about, knowing understanding? the engine caught fire - the industry has already been buried

No, no, what are you, everything is fine in the industry, right?
However, as I already suggested to a colleague - not on this thread.

[poquello]

Quote: Dude

Quote: poquello

Quote: Dude

understanding of the subject of the conversation - zero.

what are you talking about, knowing understanding? the engine caught fire - the industry has already been buried

No, no, what are you, everything is fine in the industry, right?
However, as I already suggested to a colleague - not on this thread.

"- Petka, do you love crayfish?" ?

[Dude]

You don’t understand Russian, I’m watching. Happy to stay.

[poquello]

Quote: Dude

You don’t understand Russian, I’m watching.

Quote: Dude

However, as I already suggested to a colleague - not on this thread.

that is, it merged happily, having spoiled the domestic aircraft industry with "slogans and loud phrases"

[Dude]

that is, it merged safely

Calm down, a branch, after all, about a disaster, people have died. There is something to say - in PM.

[mmaxx]

All of the above and in the USSR was not at a beautiful dawn.

[Looking for]

ask in what years the aircraft indicated by you were created and in what volumes they were released.

[FID]

The Chief Designer of the Il-76MD died today ... The question - who will design - remains ...

Didn't the Il-112V fly today, even if it crashed while landing? Those who before that took and designed the Il-112V, Il-114-300, MS-21-300, Il-76MD-90A, Il-96-400M, they will take

[Orange bigg]

Quote: SSI

The Chief Designer of the Il-76MD died today ... The question - who will design - remains ...

Didn't the Il-112V fly today, even if it crashed while landing? Those who before that took and designed the Il-112V, Il-114-300, MS-21-300, Il-76MD-90A, Il-96-400M, they will take

Under his leadership, modifications of the Il-76MF, Il-76TD-90VD, Il-76MD-90A, Il-78M-90A aircraft were created and put into operation. That is, all the projects that he was involved in, he brought to operation.

... Andrey Yurasov was born on October 26, 1961 in Moscow. After graduating from the Moscow Aviation Institute, he went to work at PJSC "IL", where he worked for over 34 years and worked his way up from a technician to a chief designer. He was engaged in the preparation and conduct of flight tests of the Il-96-300, Il-96MO / T, Il-114, Il-103, Il-76MD and Il-76TD aircraft. Since 2004, Yurasov was in charge of the entire range of work on the modernization of Il-76 and Il-78 aircraft for the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation and civil aviation - from the development of draft designs to state tests and aircraft operation. Under his leadership, modifications of the Il-76MF, Il-76TD-90VD, Il-76MD-90A, Il-78M-90A aircraft were created and put into operation.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12148341

[spectr]

"The first flight of the Il-112V took place on March 30, 2019 (as planned); .....
After the flight, the aircraft was placed in the VASO workshop, some work was carried out, while the dates of the second flight were repeatedly postponed. On March 19, 2021, almost 2 years after the only flight, it became known about the performance of ground runs on the territory of the airfield. "
Extract from Wikipedia. For two years we have eliminated the comments. Eliminated so that the plane crashed. So they will continue to deal with this plane. And it is not known how much more they will need to drop the demonstrators before they take into account all their mistakes.
At the same time, let us recall the T-14, which was shown at the parade in 2015, and cannot be brought to serial production. But the plane will still be more complicated.

[keeper03]

Too bad the crew! Experienced men, piece "specimens", couldn't they have been given parachutes ?! You can't do this with the testers, you can't !!!
The plane, of course, is crude and raises many questions, including control safety!
Rest in Peace, men !!!

[Aag]

"... couldn't they have been given parachutes? !! ​​..."
I think that in the current situation it would not have helped the crew - neither the height nor the time was enough.
The men heroically took the board away from the settlement!
Bright memory. Condolences to relatives.

[Elephant]

Quote: OrangeBigg

We don’t need to invite Trojan horses from abroad. They will even sabotage or siphon off the information on the side.

But foreign companies do the opposite, they lure the best scientists and specialists to themselves. Well, catching spies is the job of the internal security services of firms and the special services of states.

[aviator65]

For reference. Il-114 - the beginning of design - the second half of the 80s, the first samples flew in 91-92, the Il-96 - 400M (aka Il-96MO) - the beginning of the design (revision of the serial Il-96-300 by lengthening the fuselage two 3-meter sections and the installation of new engines) - 91-93, Il-76MD-90A - completion of the serial Il-76MD by installing PS-90 engines and new avionics. MS-21 - the development of the Yakovlev Design Bureau in the late 80s - early 90s to replace the Yak-42. All of the above machines were in fact designed by engineers from the Soviet school. Now they will physically not be able to tackle it. Someone because of their age, someone left the aircraft industry in the dashing 90s. So who will take it? Effective managers?

[SSR]

Quote: spectr

And who will take it?

Certainly not you.
Those who have undertaken, here do not try, but work hard.

[Dude]

For two years, the car was altered, after which it began to meet the requirements of the military.

The car was robust, so overweight, the jambs were not childish in the design. 2 years the car was altered, in the style: "let's shoot everything that is not critical in order to fit into the specification by weight." Everyone who was interested in the question knows.
Unfortunately, the disaster that occurred, IMHO is a natural result of the loss of competencies in aircraft construction, and the degradation of the domestic engineering and design school, in general.
It's a shame to admit it.

[Orange bigg]

Unfortunately, the catastrophe that occurred, IMHO is a natural result of the loss of competencies in aircraft construction, and the degradation of the domestic engineering and design school, in general.
It's a shame to admit it.

This "degradation" is especially noticeable on the example of MS-21-300, Il-114-300.

[Dude]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Unfortunately, the catastrophe that occurred, IMHO is a natural result of the loss of competencies in aircraft construction, and the degradation of the domestic engineering and design school, in general.
It's a shame to admit it.

This "degradation" is especially noticeable on the example of MS-21-300, Il-114-300.

Before getting into a loyal frenzy, ask, say, the date of the first flight of the same Il-114, the picture of which you give me as an example.
I will tell you: November 1990, XNUMX
Since then, 31 has passed a year.
So - yes, degradation, alas, without any quotes.

[Gromovanton]

I slightly disagree with you. It's not about the degradation of the engineering school. Everything was done to prevent her from becoming. She did not take it herself and died one day. Successful, effective managers have succeeded in doing this, after all, efforts have been made for decades: to pay an engineer less than a security guard in the top five, to load people with various nonsense that is not related to design itself, and chronic understaffing.
No wonder, it is surprising that the safety margin of this school has been preserved for so long. When negative selection has been carried out for decades - leaving the worst, then such an outcome is inevitable.
If the stars light up, someone needs it ...

[Dude]

It's not about the degradation of the engineering school. Everything was done to prevent her from becoming. She did not take it herself and died one day. Successful, effective managers have succeeded in doing this, after all, efforts have been made for decades: to pay an engineer less than a security guard in the top five, to load people with various nonsense that is not related to design itself, and chronic understaffing.

Exactly. These are causes, degradation is a consequence. I will add: and now this process is not just continuing, it is intensifying.
Under the pretext of "optimization", the most important research and production enterprises are being destroyed. Design bureaus and production merge and unite, without any reasonable reason, factories are destroyed under the pretext of "transferring production", etc.

[Looking for]

unfortunately. these aircraft are a "breakthrough" only for the Russian aircraft industry. for world aviation, this is the "last century"

[Vadim237]

Yeah, especially MC 21 - "the last century".

[keeper03]

Nothing new, except, as we are told, engines! It is highly doubtful.

[Captain45]

Quote: Dude

The car was robust, so overweight, the jambs were not childish in the design. 2 years the car was altered, in the style: "let's shoot everything that is not critical in order to fit into the specification by weight." Everyone who was interested in the question knows.

Why didn't you write to the Prosecutor General's Office, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the President, if you all knew this? Why were they silent? Who are you then ?! And now, of course, all the clever guys are out. As my company commander said - "after the fire and the dick pump"

[SSR]

Quote: For example

The aircraft does not meet either the stated requirements of the military or the manufacturer's specifications.
On the face of a banal cut of the budget.

It's okay that this is an experimental plane and it hasn't gone into production yet?
For, for those who are tight, it is raw, requires improvements, and that is why the Test Heroes chased it in the tail and mane?
The little man was a slogan, cut, pissed away and did not try to do it.

[FrankyStein]

You contradict yourself. You propose to develop a new aircraft and immediately complain that there is no time for this.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Is the F-35 junk in your opinion, which already has quite a few disasters?

There are about 645 F-35s in total.
In total, the F-35 was seven "Class A" incidents, incidents involving the death or injury of crew members, or aircraft damage in the amount of US $ 2 million, or the total loss of aircraft. Safety class As includes accidental fires and bird strikes

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Many questions in the video are raised correctly, but the author himself also raises questions as a specialist.

[MBRSS]

The fact that the wing area is too small (accordingly, the wings are thin = lift and fuel capacity are insufficient) is noticeable. But the plane needs to be brought to mind, you can't throw it in any way.

[keeper03]

It needs to be finished with a rasp, otherwise it's not an airplane!

[bayard]

Quote: Greg Miller

It's just that the plane is so ... Ghostly ..

I looked at the plot, it seemed like a lot, but ... I looked at its other plots and "lo and behold" - it turned out to be "ukrotrol" drowning for Yukos, Boeing and Russia, free from Putin.
No, every person has his own opinion and everyone can have it, we live tea under liberal democracy, and not under some totalitarianism ... But he (this little man) has a story about MS-21, which (as he claims) KLA ... stole from ... the Chinese.
No, not the other way around, but precisely THIS and asserts - EVERYTHING is seamless.
Including the engine.
... they're alike .
The fact that during the development of the MS-21 the Chinese were invited to participate in money, in exchange for the right to manufacture, he apparently did not hear ...
That the wing of the MS-21 is all-composite ... "whole-wound", while the Chinese have a simple duralumin ...
The fact that during the first flights of their medium-haul flight the fuselage cracked ... he apparently did not hear ...
And that their tests began almost at once ...
And that we are designing a wide-body for joint production together ... he apparently did not hear either ...
And the Il-112 is a really unfortunate plane, created in a hurry for a non-existent engine (due to which the catastrophe accident happened) ... After all, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and all other civil and law enforcement agencies, as well as airlines, until 2014 were going to purchase cargo (and passenger) aircraft from the Antonov Design Bureau. In the Russian Federation, even their licensed assembly has begun ...
But 2014 came, the Kremlin did not want to return Ukraine to the Russian World (despite the intensified requests of the then legitimate President of Ukraine), and the Antonov Design Bureau's planes and the Motor Sich engines turned out to be unavailable.
There remained a whole line of aircraft that are in great demand on the Russian market ... which no one really needs anymore.
And they cannot build anything there without cooperation with the Russian Federation ...
And the Ilyushin Design Bureau was given an urgent task - to prepare projects and production facilities for the aircraft as soon as possible:
- IL-112,
- IL-114,
- IL 276,
- ... IL-106 (here it is not urgent and generally not clear why),
despite the fact that it was still necessary to organize the same serial production of the Il-76MD90A, maintain and repair, extending the resource, the entire An-124 Ruslan fleet at Aviastar ...
And to make the work of the Ilyushin people more fun, they appointed a new and certainly "effective" general director - the offspring of Dmitry Olegovich, great and stable with his failures and poems.
The guy did it - the team renewed, hired a whole harem of model-looking secretaries and other creative youth.
But with the construction and development of aircraft, somehow it did not go ... but it was visible and it was not necessary.

The engine for the Il-112V will be available only in a few years, when the cycle of tests, refinements and tests is over ... but so far there are not enough turboshaft engines in the Russian Federation and for conventional helicopters ... four times not enough for normal needs ...
But I really wanted to report back.
To appear at exhibitions ...
For export show up ...
And they brought a damp (and overweight) car with experimental, extremely unreliable engines ... to Moscow ... to a great shame.
This is the quality of CONTROL.
Moreover, the entire vertical.
The complete failure of all effective-deffective managers from the highest level to the last design engineer.

And the dead people are a pity ...

[venik]

Quote: yfast

The planes are falling as ordered.

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PS And how our "Ukrainian friends" will be delighted! It is even DIFFICULT to imagine! Uh-uh-uh will begin! "Slippers" - fan will fly!

[The leader of the Redskins]

In vain you are so.
Not smart enough everywhere. And when grief comes, our embassy, ​​normal in Kiev, is flooded with soft toys and lamps with candles are lit.
Don't read the censornet.

[Alien From]

Yes, Comrade Leader, you read the comments and you understand that people cease to be people. Everywhere, unfortunately. Our sincere condolences to pilots and families. Very sorry

[venik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Not smart enough everywhere. And when grief comes, our embassy, ​​normal in Kiev, is flooded with soft toys and lamps with candles are lit.
Don't read the censornet.

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And I don't read it ... Disgusting edition ... But what some (I emphasize once again SOME of the former (now for sure: FORMER) Ukrainian "friends" are starting to fill up with "posts" like "Well, HOW is your wonderful aviation"?
Thank God, that in Ukraine there are still very Good and Deeply Decent PEOPLE! Unfortunately, they are becoming less and less ... But they are still there!
On THEM and HOPE!

[Orange bigg]

... But the fact that some (I emphasize once again SOME of the former (now for sure: FORMER) Ukrainian "friends" are beginning to fill up with "posts" like "Well, HOW is your wonderful aviation"?

Well, at least they ask about someone else's aviation, are interested, they don't have their own aviation.

[venik]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Well, at least they ask about someone else's aviation, are interested, they don't have their own aviation.

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I wonder WHO is "throwing slippers"? I suppose the "ukropatriots" have finally woken up ...

[Maz]

Hero of Russia Nikolai Kuimov, first class test pilot Dmitry Komarov and first class test flight engineer Nikolai Khludeev were killed in the crash of a prototype Il-112V military transport aircraft near Moscow. This was announced on Tuesday, August 17, by a source of the site kp.ru.

The military aircraft was reported to have completely burned up in the crash. No one survived among the plane's crew.

https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4404075/

[Cron]

Quote: Volodin

In 2 days, 16 materials about Afghanistan, including Kabul, were published on VO

And what does this mean? There, Ahmad Massoud organizes resistance and calls on all those who disagree with the Taliban regime to come to Panjshir. Instead, some kind of rubbish, about how 2,5 Ukrainian cripples are sitting on the roof of a building and they were thrown there.

[frog]

And you can find out what kind of Masud?

[Cron]

Quote: frog

And you can find out what kind of Masud?

Son of Ahmad Shah Massoud. Panjshir lion.

[frog]

Yes, talk about this has been going on for two years. And, most importantly, who will supply them? You can't really fight without fuel. If with weapons and b / n there is still a courtroom, then with fuel .... We supplied Daddy in the Northern Alliance. Once upon a time ....

[Cron]

Quote: frog

Yes, talk about this has been going on for two years. And, most importantly, who will supply them? You can't really fight without fuel. If with weapons and b / n there is still a courtroom, then with fuel .... We supplied Daddy in the Northern Alliance. Once upon a time ....

Yes, but at first he was the worst enemy.
I don’t know the subtleties about the supply. Perhaps there will be no one

[frog]

Yes, but at first he was the worst enemy.

Whose? If you're talking about the 40th Army that was there, then everything is there .... it was ambiguous. With all that history .... There was so much firewood that there were no options left.

[Cron]

Quote: frog

Whose? If you're talking about the 40th Army that was there, then everything is there .... it was ambiguous. With all that history .... There was so much firewood that there were no options left.

Well, they messed up, they didn't. And he received his nickname the Lion of Panjshira for a reason.

[frog]

Did I argue? if I had listened to the Russians, I would still be alive. Perhaps ... And so - yes, one of the most talented and sane was.

[viralig]

The priority there is the water resource. And in the mountains, that the Taliban, that the defenders will be in approximately equal conditions, and certainly the fuel will help little here. Truth and blood will flow like a river.

[frog]

Are you going to carry the same water and b / n on camels? And they also carry art? And other logistics are also not so hot on beasts of burden ...

[viralig]

Well, the Taliban are newcomers there, but they have fuel, as you say, they can give you a lift. The locals have a plus that each stone is so dear that I did not put it on either side - an accident is too great.

[frog]

That you can ask a bit earlier ... Kady still had the Northern Alliance. As there and what was. But if the Europeans have already recognized the Taliban .... Hustle .... strange .... Because how much money it will all cost a lot, but who will give it ??

[Thrifty]

Ruslan, do not be offended, but srach off topic you staged in vain! There is something to write about the situation in Afghanistan, write a separate article ...

[Ruslan Sulima]

Well, how can I tell you ...
When a srach is bred about my house, is this the norm for the fallen?
So I'm wondering who finances the VO, who pushes the topic to this resource? Boys for pennies abroad?

[Thrifty]

Ruslan, write an article on the problem that gnaws at your soul, but here you could simply express condolences to the lost pilots, and there will be a lot more material about Afghanistan, everything is just beginning there, and an ocean will spill blood ...

[Volodin]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

So I'm wondering who finances the VO, who pushes the topic to this resource? Boys for pennies abroad?

Oh, another one who is concerned about the financing of the VO ... Lost here already from the account, what by this very account.

A terrible, terrible secret (only shhh): 300 billion dollars from the CIA, 250 trillion pounds from MI6, a ton of silver and gold from Afghan intelligence, of course - a box of matzo from the Mossad - and this is only in the morning. Are you satisfied?

Do not litter already, honestly ... It should be a shame. People died, equipment was lost, but here, it turns out, it is necessary to count other people's money ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Volodin

Naturally - a box of matzo from the Mossad

But I don’t believe in this. This is only for prepayment or on credit.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Uncle, where were you at 14? I won't ask any more questions ...

[Andobor]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Boys for pennies abroad?

Naturally, the West allocates a lot of money for anti-Russian propaganda, and we see this loot - they are in the authors, they are in the comments.

[Looking for]

judging by the number of minuses. this site consists of adherents of "liberalism" of all stripes.

[Cron]

then make a U-turn approach. The turn was carried out in the right direction - namely "towards" the ignited engine.

There was no longer an opportunity to correct the transcendental inclination that had arisen.

Never a specialist. Therefore, I do not understand why it was necessary to do this?

[GREG68]

Apparently, the runway was on the right, so the turn was made to the right side, but, unfortunately, the situation literally in seconds developed to a critical one - most likely the engine control wiring and the deviating planes of the right wing burned out

[Cron]

Quote: GREG68

Apparently the runway was on the right, so the turn was made to the right,

Is it possible to make a U-turn towards the faulty engine? Is this a violation of instructions?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Cron

Is it possible to make a U-turn towards the faulty engine? Is this a violation of instructions?

And where to make a U-turn if the airfield is on the right?
Second, if the right engine was turned off or at least part of the load was removed from it, then turning to the right is easier and faster.
Another question is why, after a few seconds of fire, when turning to the right, the plane became practically uncontrollable (it turned over over the right wing)? The aircraft is made mainly for the Army, and the survivability is practically zero.

[GREG68]

Perhaps the engine was stopped, and the propeller did not feather due to the burned out of its control wiring, so there was a large turning moment to the right.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: GREG68

and the propeller did not feather due to the burned out of its control wiring, so there was a large turning moment to the right.

Then the plane would be in a horizontal position, and he tilted to the right, which is natural with a normal turn to the right.

[GREG68]

It is this kind of roll that occurs with a non-feathering propeller.

[dauria]

Then the plane would be in a horizontal position,

Slide and roll associated. Roll causes slip, slip (at least from different thrust) causes roll. But the sharp turnaround at the end - the commission will analyze it. Either the lateral control was covered from a fire, or a stall due to a loss of speed or an exit to a critical angle.
My sincere condolences to my family. I understand that words will not help much here .. But all the same - brace yourself.

[Zufei]

The screw is feathered by springs without oil pressure.

[GREG68]

Do you suppose that there could be a destruction of the engine? And the feathering mechanism could also be destroyed or jammed

[Zufei]

This is all inside the propeller hub. No pressure - forced vane by springs.

[GREG68]

This is all true, but there are enough examples of accidents due to non-feathering propellers. Perhaps there was something similar here, the commission will establish.

[Cron]

Quote: Bad_gr

And where to make a U-turn if the airfield is on the right?

Well, it is logical if the plane behaves in a similar way when turning towards the faulty engine, do not do this. For what's the point then where is the airfield:

Second, if the right engine was turned off or at least part of the load was removed from it, then turning to the right is easier and faster.

He was turned off, but he did not seem to be disconnected.

Another question is why, after a few seconds of fire, when turning to the right, the plane became practically uncontrollable (it turned over over the right wing)? The aircraft is made mainly for the Army, and the survivability is practically zero.

Reasonable question

[vadim dok]

Not a specialist. Is there an automatic emergency fire extinguishing system for the engine?

[GREG68]

Yes, there is. It turns on both automatically and in manual mode. As a rule, it is two-stage

[ROSS_51]

Quote: GREG68

Yes, there is. It turns on both automatically and in manual mode. As a rule, it is two-stage

https://youtu.be/34Csohjln2Q

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bad_gr

if the right engine was turned off, or at least part of the load was removed from it,

1. I am more worried about the cause of the fire in the right engine ...
2. Why didn't you stop supplying kerosene to the burning engine?
3. Why did the automatic fire extinguishing system not work?
And in general, it seems to me that this disaster is very similar to a man-made sabotage. The plane had flown before that ... and there were no problems with the dviguns. Yes, they were low-powered, I would like to be more powerful, but they lifted the car into the air ...
In short, you need to think very hard and disassemble all this crap to the cog.
IMHO.

[lucul]

And in general, it seems to me that this disaster is very similar to a man-made sabotage. The plane had flown before that ... and there were no problems with the dviguns. Yes, they were low-powered, I would like to be more powerful, but they lifted the car into the air ...

I also tend to sabotage. Against the backdrop of the failure of amers in Afghanistan, the opps needed to be given at least some kind of life preserver, at least to catch on to something.
On the plane - it flies only due to the power of the engines, it plans poorly due to the small wing. Slightly the engine went out of order (or was knocked out), stone down. A fully laden military aircraft (if it is properly designed), when one engine (out of two) exits, should glide and not fall down.

[poquello]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

1. I am more worried about the cause of the fire in the right engine ...

according to Voronezh rumors, the engine was recently changed because the previous one was junk

[GREG68]

In such a situation, there is no time for instructions, especially since this is a new promising side, which is in the process of testing and debugging, its behavior is only being studied

[Cron]

Quote: GREG68

In such a situation, no time for instructions

But still, instructions are instructions, for they are written in blood. So I asked if it is possible to make a U-turn towards an inoperative engine?

especially since this is a new promising side, which is in the process of testing and debugging, its behavior is only being studied

No matter how new it is, on the "ground" they calculate in advance how the plane can behave in a given situation. Again, instructions are given. How faithful they were, they will find out later

[Konnick]

No, on the left, this is from the aviation forum, the red circle is the place of the fall, flew from the southwest

[loki565]

I didn't quite understand what the author meant when he said they could not turn off the engine, could not turn off the fuel supply or weather the engine? If the second, then such a sharp roll is quite understandable.

[viralig]

I agree with the wiring and hydraulics, and as a result, the loss of power and control.
In general, there is an opinion that the engine is not to blame, but the supply and leakage of fuel. But the commission must figure out what the reason is.

[pytar]

There would be ejection seats, the crew will probably be saved! Maybe it's time for designers to start supplying transport aircraft with ejection means ??? Airplanes will become more expensive, but the cost of human life must be higher! Very sorry, three families became orphans !!!

[Cron]

Quote: pytar

There would be ejection seats, the crew will probably be saved! Maybe it's time for designers to start supplying transport aircraft with ejection means ??? Airplanes will become more expensive, but the cost of human life must be higher!

And the landing?

[pytar]

And the landing?

The landing party has parachutes, right? In truth, I can't imagine how, with such fleeting events, they can be saved, moreover, at a low altitude, but ejection, although it gives a slight chance that at least someone would heal! Okay, not much is possible, but what prevents you from supplying the Be-200 from such systems?

[Cron]

Quote: pytar

The landing party has parachutes, right? In truth, I can't imagine how, with such fleeting events, they can be saved, moreover, at a low altitude, but ejection, although it gives a slight chance that at least someone would heal! Okay, not much is possible, but what prevents you from supplying the Be-200 from such systems?

Well, the Be-200 also has a large crew.
If the landing force has time to jump out, then the pilots should, in theory, in the same way. And if the pilots eject earlier than they? It will be sad. I don't know all the subtleties.

[Alex777]

Quote: Cron

Well, the Be-200 also has a large crew.

2 person crew of Be-200. Now you know.

[Cron]

Quote: Alex777

2 person crew of Be-200. Now you know.

You just directly about those who fly the plane. When extinguishing fires, there are usually more of them.

[pytar]

And the landing?

I am not an expert on the topic, but you can probably make a transport compartment from several modules, which, if necessary, undock and emergency land on parachutes. Is it the same for the entire cockpit? It is clear that the design will become more comfortable, it will become more difficult, but this will give a chance for salvation!

[Cron]

Quote: pytar

I am not an expert on the topic, but you can probably make a transport compartment from several modules, which, if necessary, undock and emergency land on parachutes. Is it the same for the entire cockpit? It is clear that the design will become more comfortable, it will become more difficult, but this will give a chance for salvation!

Ideally, of course, it can and is true. But given that this IL, even in this version, cannot be finalized, it is extremely doubtful. Not in the short term for sure

[pytar]

Is that something that cannot be constructed? I'm sorry I drew hastily, but I think it's clear?

Emergency escaping capsules, something like the landing of military equipment! At the Unions, emergency rescue systems have repeatedly shown high efficiency, why can't they come up with something like that for transport workers?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: pytar

Is that something that cannot be constructed?

Ejection (detachable, rescue ...) cabins have already been designed and used! We can mention the F-111, FB-111, B-1A .... But they did not receive mass use ... perhaps the following factors "played" ... similar to the cockpit of the F-1. but significant cost of such a cabin, the need for extensive research, complexity of construction and maintenance led to the fact that it was decided to use detachable cabins only in the first three samples of the aircraft

Rescue cabin V-1A
But in bombers and certain types of transports, ejection seats are used, which are also made in the form of "capsules" ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

But in bombers and certain types of transports, ejection seats are used, which are also made in the form of "capsules" ...

On our space shuttle Buran, the rescue system included catapults for the pilots.

By the way, on American shuttles, the crew could leave the car only through a hatch on the left side (a rod was pulled out of the hatch, along which the ring of the halyard attached to the astronaut's suspension system slid. The rod guided the shuttle wing that had jumped past the plane). In general, it was not realistic to be saved at low altitude.

[Crash]

Quote: pytar

that something like that cannot be constructed?

Such schemes have been proposed for a long time. I read in magazines 10-20 years ago.
For example, V.N. Tatarenko:

https://habr.com/ru/company/icover/blog/386287/

[Vadim237]

At such an altitude that the Il 112 caught fire, such a rescue system will not help the cabin simply break without having time to open the parachute.

[DED_peer_DED]

And if not from horizontal flight? The picture is good.

[210ox]

This is a transport plane. There is no bailout. Another thing is a prototype, and here it was worth thinking about test pilots. Condolences to family and friends

[pytar]

Another thing is a prototype, and here it was worth thinking about test pilots.

I mean it! Such a risky profession as a test doctor must be provided with additional means of rescue!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: pytar

There would be ejection seats, the crew will probably be saved

This thought also came to my mind.
Then I realized that it was not real.
In general, the plane was experienced, it is not clear what to expect from this. On the good, experimental aircraft should generally be made unmanned.

[pytar]

Also at first this thought came to mind. Then I realized that it was not real.

This is not to say that it is not real! Yes, difficult and expensive, but quite possible! Above I drew / of course primitive /, what is at stake, but I think the idea is clear. In truth, we will have to reformat the entire design ideology, but I think it's worth it, because only during this month 9-10 died?!?! first-class Russian pilots!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Jacket in stock

On the good, experimental aircraft should generally be made unmanned.

This is not a model that is blown through in aerodynamics.
An airplane is a living creature (don't believe me? - ask the flyers!). To whom will he "complain" in flight, if not to a person? And the sixth sense - intuition - how to insert it into the robot !?
No-eee ... - "This is our job - to teach planes to fly" ... - sang in a song about test pilots. And rightly so, by the way, was sung.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

To whom will he "complain" in flight, if not to a person?

Well, when the pilot used to pull the levers and ropes (conventionally, all the rods were mechanical), but now he can sit in the cockpit or near the computer, all the same, all the controls are electric.

[pytar]

Magomed Tolboyev about the death of the Il-112V crew
In preparation for the Army-2021 forum in Kubinka near Moscow, an experimental prototype of the Il-112V military transport aircraft was worked out. The crew with the commander, Hero of Russia Nikolai Kuimov was killed. The repeated warnings of the engineers and technologists of the Ilyushin Design Bureau about engine problems that could lead to a catastrophe were ignored.

[CommanderDIVA]

Pilots rest in peace, the car was taken away from housing

[farm2009]

This is a pseudo-patriotic nonsense. On what basis was this conclusion made? It is not visible from the video that the pilots were diverting the plane from something, but there is no recording of the pilots' conversations.

[Avior]

They turned towards the runway. It is clear that in 15 seconds after that, when the roll arose, they did not have the opportunity to take the plane somewhere - they fought to save it, there was no time for that.
Why this semi-ritual phrase was included in the article is difficult to understand.: ((

[Liam]

Nobody deliberately turned the plane anywhere.

[Avior]

It is clear that the revs fell and it turned towards the burning engine

[Liam]

The discrepancy in the lift of the wings. One motor pulls, the other does not. And in order to keep the plane in the air, you need to increase the thrust of the working one. The discrepancy is compensated by the mechanization of the wing where the engine is inoperative. But it takes time, altitude and speed to do all this. There is nothing of this. And if the screw of the emergency engine was not feathered, then there were no options at all.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Liam

The discrepancy is compensated by the mechanization of the wing where the engine is inoperative.

You speak the language - did you read that in the wiki? Please note that a colleague is clearly not on the wiki with aviation.

Quote: Intruder

The rudder angle and only horizontally, so and so ..

Quoting wiki / live journal and labeling is one thing, but being responsible is another: answer or stay. yap fluent in the language?

Quote: Liam

25.11.2020/154/XNUMX / it's like when a child's games on a computer flight simulator were shown to me from YouTube as "proof" of the Tu-XNUMX's skills

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Did you find your statement about the Carcass? Or will you “merge” as always? You either present or do as it should

Here just now there was a reasonable thought -

Quote: Liam 14Aug'21

Do not meddle with topics that you have no idea about. ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Liam

The discrepancy is compensated by the mechanization of the wing where the engine is inoperative.

Share the source of "wisdom"? Just wondering? Where did you copy and paste it? As always in the wiki / same? How do you technically imagine this? About effective sweep angle have you heard? I just overlooked here and you cleaned up - thanks; Are they capable or fail as always?

[Konnick]

They turned towards the runway

Do you have data? From the air forum, the runway was reported to be on the left.

[Avior]

No, I misunderstood from the article

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

But in order to enter the runway, one had to first turn to the right, and then to the left, at the air forum you can see they know how to land planes across the runway.

[Konnick]

But to enter the runway, you first had to turn to the right, and then to the left, at the air forum you can see they know how to land planes across the runway

I actually wrote about something else, but your imagination is ahead of your thoughts. Thanks for the minus, I collect such.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Do not fantasize, "-" not mine.

[loki565]

This is a pseudo-patriotic nonsense. On what basis was this conclusion made? It is not visible from the video that the pilots were diverting the plane from something, but there is no recording of the pilots' conversations.

They also talked about the Belarusian pilots, when the recording of the negotiations appeared and the new video everything fell into place. Are these people interested in being ashamed of their words now or not?

[wandlitz]

Sincere condolences to the family members of the crew. The fond memory of the pilots ...

[Radical]

As far as I remember, from the history of aviation of the USSR, An-24,26, when one engine failed, they sat down on the second, i.e. the power of the engine remaining intact was enough for landing, but here I, not being a specialist, nevertheless see the problem of sufficient power, and in general - the quality of the engines for this machine. "Glory" to Manturov, sorry for the guys! Respect to them! They did everything they could! Everlasting memory!

[Konnick]

As far as I remember, from the history of aviation of the USSR, An-24,26, when one engine failed, they sat down on the second, i.e. the power of the engine remaining intact was enough for landing, but here I, not being a specialist, nevertheless see the problem of sufficient power

The aerodynamic quality on the Il-112V is worse due to the smaller wing area. On the An-24, 26 about 75 square meters, and on the Ile-112 only 65. There is a big difference with the same weight. Free planning is not possible.

[Vadim237]

"On the An-24, 26 about 75 square meters, and on the Ile-112 only 65". - What a "Big" difference.

[Konnick]

"On the An-24, 26 about 75 square meters, and on the Ile-112 only 65". - What a "Big" difference

Is 15% a small difference?

[Vadim237]

Not very big, and the plane crashed due to a fire, the engines and all over the damage to the control system, and this is already in the bosom of the responsibility of the technical staff who prepared the plane for departure.

[loki565]

It's not about the power, but about the time-feathering screw, if the mechanism or wiring was damaged, then An on one engine will not fly away anywhere.

[Dikson]

This plane shouldn't fly at all .. - from the very beginning there were only problems with it .. ((The crew is sorry ...

[Orange bigg]

Why shouldn't he fly? We don't need transport aircraft or what? There are problems everywhere and always, but this is not a reason to immediately raise the legs to the top. Problems must be solved. Give me at least one plane with which initially there were no problems. This is all the result of a "wise policy" when they tried for some reason to appease one neighboring country and gave preference to cooperation with Antonov, and their projects were slowed down and stopped, like the same Il-112V. It is necessary, it is not necessary. And when they realized that it smelled of fried and soon there would be nothing to fly, they began to rush everyone with the deadlines for the same Il-112V, and as they say, hurry people to make people laugh.

[Dikson]

Are there no engine fire extinguishing systems in the project at all? A transport worker should fly on one engine without any problems .. Leave the talk about politics .. - it has nothing to do with it .. The reason is the wild unprofessionalism and incompetence of developers and designers .. the flaws inherent in the design, alterations "on the knee" ...

[Orange bigg]

... The reason is the wild unprofessionalism and incompetence of the developers and designers .. the flaws inherent in the design, alterations "on the knee" ...

Because at first the project was closed, and then they suddenly remembered and set unrealistically fast deadlines, because the roasted rooster pecked, and when in a hurry there are also shortcomings. Only those who do nothing are not mistaken. And under the Soviet Union there were many accidents during aircraft testing, but no one had the "bright" idea of ​​abandoning the project because of the disaster and not flying.

wild unprofessionalism and incompetence of developers and designers ..

Give specific examples, otherwise you are like a proliberal agitator. Also tell us that we ourselves do not need to build planes, but buy everything in the West. The Afghans also hoped for the West, although not everyone had enough space on American planes at the Kabul airport.

[loki565]

A transport worker should fly on one engine without any problems .. Leave the talk about politics .. - nothing to do with it .. The reason is the wild unprofessionalism and incompetence of developers and designers .. the flaws inherent in the design, alterations "on the knee".

Must fly with one engine? but the engine failure on An and he fell, in your opinion bad designers and did everything on their knees?

[Petrix]

Just the wreck near Balashov does not apply here. There, in the event of a failure of one engine, a serviceable one was mistakenly turned off.

[sevryuk]

This is all the result of a "wise policy" when they tried for some reason to appease one neighboring country

We are one country - divided.

[Mikhail3]

The maneuver failed, the plane began to rotate instead of roll. The pilots were nowhere more experienced, so the mistake was clearly not theirs. Hopefully there will be a truthful and detailed report from the commission. On the one hand, the engine did not turn off, on the other, controllability was clearly lost. What kind of design is that?

[pytar]

The detectives were nowhere more experienced, so the mistake was clearly not theirs.

I think the pilots are not to blame! When the control systems fail, they can hardly do anything more! When you observe all this, you understand with horror what they were at that moment in their souls! Aware that there were seconds left to live, they did their best to remove the aircraft to a safe distance for civilians! They deserve deep respect and honor! They did not die, they ascended even higher, near the Lord! Peace of their bright Souls!

[Thrifty]

My condolences to the relatives and colleagues of the deceased crew, they left on their last flight! May God accept their souls ...

[Vladimir Postnikov]

A sad occasion, but a reason to start dealing with PJSC "Il". And above all, with the program for the serial production of the Il-114, worth 50 billion state budget rubles. There is a problem with aircraft construction in the country, but here a "golden rain" is pouring out on one firm at once on two approximately the same type of aircraft, and there are problems for both. This is the problem of effective managers.

[Vadim237]

First of all, they will deal with the aircraft technicians who prepared this aircraft for flight, since their jamb is obvious. And then with PJSC Il.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Those who will deal with aircraft technicians will not deal with PJSC Il. Not their competence. So there is no priority. My experience tells me that those who like to saw are not able to build anything. Just a competent analysis will cover one of the "black holes". Designers should be motivated, not effective managers.

[Tuzik]

why aren't cargo or passenger planes equipped with catapults? terribly expensive?

[Figvam]

one engine was clearly not enough to turn

[Ross xnumx]

Shock...
Su-35S in the Khabarovsk Territory ... Be-200 in Turkey ... Il-112 V in the Moscow region ...
Is this in August all the reasons or?
Condolences to the dead.

[Dude]

Eh, if it were not for the need to turn towards the faulty engine! .. And even the failure of the stop valve ...
Earth by heaven perished.

[yfast]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

A sad occasion, but a reason to start dealing with PJSC "Il". This is the problem of effective managers.

It can be solved by carrying these managers in the cabin during tests. The plane-managers have already fallen down and even need to be changed. So that not only pilots and taxpayers suffer.

[Alexey Sommer]

These new aircraft, that we have, that ukrov, are arranged in such a way, blowing the wing from the propeller gives additional lift.
The revs fell on the right burning engines, respectively, the lifting force on the right plane decreased.
On the left, everything was fine.
Turning to the right made things even worse.
Accordingly, the plane turned over.
The pilots took a chance ..
Bright memory.
IMHO

[Dude]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

These new aircraft, that we have, that ukrov, are arranged in such a way, blowing the wing from the propeller gives additional lift.
The revs fell on the right burning engines, respectively, the lifting force on the right plane decreased.
On the left, everything was fine.
Turning to the right made things even worse.
Accordingly, the plane turned over.
The pilots took a chance ..
Bright memory.
IMHO

There is no choice, especially - an unextinguished engine fire, here, you don't want to, but you have to take the risk ...

[Alexey Sommer]

This is so clear now. But then the seconds count ..
Now is the time to think ..
ps What is burning there, do not understand, only the dvigun or also the hydraulic system of the wing mechanization?

[Sands Careers General]

And not a word about the crew

[Gunther]

Quote: Author

After the disaster, the prospects for the start of serial production in the near future of such machines become very vague.

stop croaking, "goats" (everything is gone, the plaster is removed ...)
the cause of the engine problems has not yet been established, and the cause can be anything from negligence to sabotage.

[gurzuf]

Kingdom of Heaven to the fallen aviators. I sorrow.https: //t.me/bazabazon/7846

[keeper03]

It took 25 seconds from the moment the engine burned to the loss of control!
Eh, guys ... Kingdom of Heaven !!!

[Jacket in stock]

Wait a moment, I thought - why do people in the experimental car?
Making radio control is a task for a student. Receiving all telemetry in real time is also not a problem.
Roll back the plane in different modes in full, and then put people in it.

[Petrix]

Those. to skate on the radio control and immediately passengers on the flight? Will you put your family on such a flight?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Petrix

immediately passengers on the flight?

Where did I write about the passengers?
Or do you think the pilots are not people?

[Petrix]

But of course. The aircraft has been tested in full. Or do you still need test pilots before transporting passengers?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Petrix

Or do you still need test pilots before transporting passengers?

In the final stages, of course, they are needed. But this is not the case. Il112 flew three times before.

[Petrix]

If so, what will they check? I understand this: EVERYTHING that can be worked out without the participation of a pilot is worked out and tested on the ground. A test pilot is just needed to feel how the car behaves and give your comments for improvement. On the ground with a remote control you will not understand anything.

[APASUS]

Condolences to the families of the victims.
In fact, the second engine lacked thrust. This means problems not only with the engine, but also with a number of design features. On one engine, the plane should continue to fly, there is simply a roll, but the power should be enough.

[Kaw]

With such a roll, he would have fallen into a tailspin and with two serviceable engines.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kaw

With such a roll, he would have fallen into a tailspin and with two serviceable engines.

Not the roll was the cause of the stall, but the failure of two engines

[Elephant]

And where was the infa that the second engine failed? In the news, it was explained that there was not enough traction on one.

[APASUS]

Quote: Elephant

And where was the infa that the second engine failed? In the news, it was explained that there was not enough traction on one.

It's very simple. The second engine should pull the plane by definition. The failure of one engine should not lead to disaster.

[Agent cooper]

Meanwhile, after a corruption scandal in the Moscow Region, Serdyukov changed his old chair to a chair in the UAC board of directors. Well, you get the idea, guys, Putin has nothing to do with it (c)

[Anton 17]

And what about the actions in such situations is written in the "Operation manuals", such as "emergency fuel discharge" and "landing without lowering the landing gear (on the belly) along a straight trajectory .."?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Anton 17

landing without landing gear (on the belly) in a straight line .. "?

In the forest?
Well, just the same would be killed.

[Pavel57]

Quote: GREG68

Apparently the runway was on the right, so the turn was made to the right ...

The flight was over the GDP. To land, it was necessary to turn 360 degrees, return. In this case, there was a risk of collapse both on the village and on 121 factories, and on the station.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Pavel57

Quote: GREG68

Apparently the runway was on the right, so the turn was made to the right ...

The flight was over the GDP. To leave for boarding I had to turn 360 degrees, return . In this case, there was a risk of collapse both on the village and on 121 factories and on the station.

Yes-ahhh, really! (with)
If 360 * (???), then for sure: you will not return to the airfield!
I skipped arithmetic with geometry at school, or what ???

[Petrix]

Only 360 degrees, how else? Or do you not know that takeoff and landing are always in the same direction, depending on the wind?

[Vadim237]

Maybe 180 degrees - if the plane turns 360, it will return to the same takeoff trajectory but never return back to the airfield.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Petrix

Only 360 degrees, how else?

Alternatively, rotate 180 * to reverse the motion vector.

Quote: Petrix

Or do you not know that takeoff and landing are always in the same direction, depending on the wind?

Nobody argues with that. Take off and sit downwind. And airfields are built taking into account the wind rose. But you can return to the starting point only by turning it 180 *. If you make a full circle (360 *), then the motion vector remains the same. Is it really that difficult?

[Petrix]

To go back and to sit down you need to do 180 twice or 360, but with a large radius.

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

These new aircraft, that we have, that ukrov, are arranged in such a way, blowing the wing from the propeller gives additional lift.
The revs fell on the right burning engines, respectively, the lifting force on the right plane decreased.
On the left, everything was fine.
Turning to the right made things even worse.
Accordingly, the plane turned over.
The pilots took a chance ..
Bright memory.
IMHO

Perhaps you `re right. There is clearly either a drop in lift on the wing, or in the event of a fire, the flap and aileron system is damaged, which aggravated the right roll when turning, or both. Cranking to the right bank too fast. By the way, the strip was to the right of the video location. The plane flew at the height of the houses. After the end of the quarter, the pilots began to turn to the right, which indicates the conscientiousness of the maneuver, which means that they took into account the factor of casualties on the ground. They were PROFESSIONALS !!! The blame lies with the designers, the managers and the desire to report to their superiors for their successes. These flights to report at the show were unreasonably risky but ....

[barclay]

As a result, as the situation shows, the car rose in the air, apparently remaining technically "raw". At least, this is how flight experts interpret the situation.
Well, damp, not raw, but what is not very beautiful is for sure. It looks like a flying iron. They say that an airplane must be beautiful first of all.

[loki565]

Hercules is also not a handsome man, but how many of them were riveted and still fly all over the world.

[Kaw]

It must be stated that the crew of the test aircraft took all measures to take the transport worker away from residential areas.

What measures could they have taken in this case? They were in the airport area and preparing to land. And when the plane began to fall, they had neither the time nor the opportunity to do anything.

[Elephant]

There is a huge huge field and far from houses, it is a pity that they did not plant on it. This plane is designed for such a landing. I think they didn’t expect the plane to tumble suddenly and quickly.

[fif21]

Condolences to family and friends. Questions - why the engine did not turn off, why the fire extinguishing system did not work, why there was no command to leave the plane, why did they send a raw car to the exhibition? And many more why ...

[Vladimir61]

The footage taken during the fall is simply awful, knowing that at this time, there are three still living people inside, who understand everything, but continue to fight ...

After the disaster, the prospects for the start of serial production in the near future of such machines become very vague.

Immediately you remember the old information, about some flaws in the design, about an overload of five tons, about some kind of "struggle" for weight reduction ...

[Ripap]

For pilots, the kingdom of heaven. But! All the documentation on this piece of Mr. Shredder, burn and scatter over Voronezh. Light military-technical cooperation should be redesigned anew, this time by hand, and so that it would not be necessary to throw out the engine fire extinguishing system as part of the relief.

[Kushka]

Quote: APASUS

Condolences to the families of the victims.
In fact, the second engine lacked thrust. This means problems not only with the engine, but also with a number of design features. On one engine, the plane should continue to fly, there is simply a roll, but the power should be enough.

In my city VLU GA (in the USSR SHVLP) They had 7 AN26 and 2 field airfields (80 km to the south and 100 km to the north). Both airfields are close to busy highways. Often I drove there - you go, and towards (left, higher and in the forehead), the AN26 sits down and one propeller is almost worth it. A short run and takeoff without stopping, followed by the second one, and also on the same engine - this was the daily study of the cadets and absolutely trouble-free. (In the entire history of ShVLP, the city remembers only one accident on something small (L-ka or Yak-52), two cadets fiddled without permission - the wing folded, one died in the air, got hit on the head with a stretch, and in the field)

[DenVB]

So, in December 1986, while approaching Kabul at an altitude of 6100 m, a rocket hit the left engine of the An-26 (side 240). There were 25 passengers on board the vehicle, which was piloted by senior l-t Bakhrom and the instructor-pilot of Tojmukhammad kennel. The plane strove to collapse on the left wing, but the pilots were able to keep it. The An-26, engulfed in flames, approached the strip along a steep glide path, similar to a dive. The crew managed to bring down the fire, but after touching the runway, it flashed again. A fire that broke out damaged the wheel braking system, and the commander decided to steer to the ground to quickly extinguish the speed. Soon the plane stopped. The passengers, and after them the crew, safely left it. “We were saved by the strong design of the An-26, which withstood the rocket explosion, as well as by the lessons of Soviet pilots who“ took out ”the crews and trained us in single-engine flights,” Tojmukhammad said after a successful landing.

[Sands Careers General]

Surge. And what can I do ...
And the guys are heroes. They are more likely to be dead.

[Radical]

Quote: Konnick

As far as I remember, from the history of aviation of the USSR, An-24,26, when one engine failed, they sat down on the second, i.e. the power of the engine remaining intact was enough for landing, but here I, not being a specialist, nevertheless see the problem of sufficient power

The aerodynamic quality on the Il-112V is worse due to the smaller wing area. On the An-24, 26 about 75 square meters, and on the Ile-112 only 65. There is a big difference with the same weight. Free planning is not possible.

Well, I commented on something like that when publications regarding this product began. I got some minuses, but no one argued for these "sleepers". I immediately made the reservation that I was not an expert, but I have my own opinion on what happened.

[Radical]

Quote: loki565

A transport worker should fly on one engine without any problems .. Leave the talk about politics .. - nothing to do with it .. The reason is the wild unprofessionalism and incompetence of developers and designers .. the flaws inherent in the design, alterations "on the knee".

Must fly with one engine? but the engine failure on An and he fell, in your opinion bad designers and did everything on their knees?

In this video, the key word - cadet at the helm, glide path, angle of attack were too negative. The plane most likely has nothing to do with it.

[Petrix]

They turned off the serviceable engine and were left without engines. Instructor error.

[Radical]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Konnick

As far as I remember, from the history of aviation of the USSR, An-24,26, when one engine failed, they sat down on the second, i.e. the power of the engine remaining intact was enough for landing, but here I, not being a specialist, nevertheless see the problem of sufficient power

The aerodynamic quality on the Il-112V is worse due to the smaller wing area. On the An-24, 26 about 75 square meters, and on the Ile-112 only 65. There is a big difference with the same weight. Free planning is not possible.

Well, I commented on something like that when publications regarding this product began. I got some minuses, but no one argued for these "sleepers". I immediately made the reservation that I was not an expert, but I have my own opinion on what happened.

Obviously, the wing area is small for such a "thick" fuselage, plus the lack of engine power, the plane may have been designed by literate people, but it seems like "Losers", children of the Unified State Exam, finished it. It's a shame and bitter - good flyers died!

[Radical]

Quote: Anton 17

And what about the actions in such situations is written in the "Operation manuals", such as "emergency fuel discharge" and "landing without lowering the landing gear (on the belly) along a straight trajectory .."?

This is called - "straight ahead" ....

[Doliva63]

Quote: Petrovf

The reasons are established: due to the smoke of the Chinese engine. I lost traction, and since the center of gravity is up there, the plane made a coup and made a hard landing with a clap. Fortunately, the entire crew managed to survive negatively.

Is this, excuse me, humor ?!

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

A single engine failure is not a catastrophic situation. It is a pity for the pilots, planes should not fall like this if one engine fails! This is what it leads to when technical production is run by managers, this plane has been brought to mind for a very long time, there was a wrong alignment of the airframe ... And of course, the designer will be blamed, the bosses are not to blame ... Who was running the plant there, Rogozin's son ...

[Petrix]

Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN

Single engine failure is not a catastrophic situation

Did you forget to explain in what conditions? After all, the "barrel" is not a disaster if you are at a safe height. Now take into account the speed, height, and you never know what other related malfunctions in this case.

[MBRSS]

Quote: For example

Competent engineers will appear immediately.

competent engineers need to be raised for at least 10 years, and with a large margin - 3-4 students per 1 prospective place. The biggest abomination of the current government is the disregard for the training of engineering personnel. Nowadays, it's not even that there are no high-quality young specialists - there are no more high-quality teachers, the link between generations has been severed.

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: RIP (condolences from a foreigner to the family and friends of the deceased crew)
For now I will refrain from cold technical comments.

[Pavel57]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Pavel57

Quote: GREG68

Apparently the runway was on the right, so the turn was made to the right ...

The flight was over the GDP. To leave for boarding I had to turn 360 degrees, return . In this case, there was a risk of collapse both on the village and on 121 factories and on the station.

Yes-ahhh, really! (with)
If 360 * (???), then for sure: you will not return to the airfield!
I skipped arithmetic with geometry at school, or what ???

Lost ((one Pi essno.

[Gromovanton]

It's a pity the guys the tragedy happened. They'll figure out the reasons, but you can't bring people back. The profession is truly heroic. I am firmly convinced of one thing: it never happens that people have died, and no one is to blame ...

[V means B]

It seems to me that the lost crew will be to blame.

[Alexfly]

Most likely they will close the topic ..... Farewell to the backlog of Soviet Aviation. And EBNu are building museums ...

[svoit]

Maybe it makes sense to refuse to use pilots during test flights? Buran, on the other hand, flew unmanned more than 30 years ago, and now, even more so, there are no problems.

[prior]

These are not planes that are falling, it is Russia that is flying to tar-ta-ra-ry ...
It's a pity for the pilots, why do they die ?!

[Vadim237]

No, this your sick head comes up with all sorts of nonsense like "It's not planes that fall, it's Russia flies to tar-ta-ra-ry ......"

[Petrix]

Anything can happen. Here are a couple of cases like this:
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[dgonni]

As it is all sad.
The crew of the eternal flight.
Apparently there was critically little time in terms of engine failure.
There on the video, if you listen to there is a cotton and then it starts to burn.
Destruction and breakage of blades?
The commission will establish.
The right turn was done due to the fact that they had just left the lane.
The left would have been longer in terms of landing.
They were pros and thought it was better this way.
Eternal flight guys!

[minomoto]

There is a video of the fall

The link below is an uncut full video.
https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=l8e8kz

[Radical]

Quote: Petrix

They turned off the serviceable engine and were left without engines. Instructor error.

In that case, what kind of instructors are they... .!

[Laksamana besar]

The preliminary cause is surge, destruction of the engine, entry of its elements into the fuel system and, as a result, fire.

This was reported to TASS by law enforcement agencies.

[Scorpion85]

May the pilots rest in peace, it is not their fault that the Russian Federation is a bastard. “The engines are rubbish”: in Russia they explained the cause of the Il-112V crash. Junior Chairman of the Il technical council Nikolai Talikov named one of the possible reasons for the crash of the prototype Il-112V military aircraft, which crashed on August 17 in Kubinka near Moscow. "I expected. I've been yelling for years that engines are crap. That they will fail in the end. Nobody pays attention to our glorious company. This is our seventh boss in the last five or six years, and no one is paying attention. So we waited,” said Talikov. I’ll add on my own that the plane itself even looks like crap! Ukrainian AN-178 is where the swallow is! Looking at Il’s growth, I want to ask, what kind of corn plant is this?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Dear, these are planes of different classes. But there is no alternative to replacing the An-26 other than the Il-112V.

[Eug]

Is it okay that the Lastochka (in your opinion) was screwed up with the alignment (this is even noticeable from the outside) and it flies with ballast?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I have one according to the requirements of military customers (5000 kg of cargo for 6000 km with an aircraft take-off weight of 21000 kg), surprise to say the least?
After all, we subtract the payload and get 16000 kg of equipped aircraft.
What about the fuel? 0,175 kg per l/s, a good indicator by the way. With a cruising power of the engines of 1800 l/s, together they will consume 630 kg of kerosene per hour, which is also not bad.
But for 6000 km you need to fly for at least 12 hours. And this is a different situation: 7560 kg of fuel. Now we add launch, taxiing, takeoff/landing, climb and emergency balance, and whatever one may say, at least 8500 kg of kerosene are filled into the fill tanks.
That there is less than 7500 kg left for the structure?
For comparison, the An-25 has an empty weight of 15850 kg.
Maybe it still makes sense to set real tasks for designers?

[Lptsk]

Well, it's nonsense in terms of performance characteristics. 6000 km is most likely the ferry range. According to the power I read 3100 one thrust. If one engine produces 1800 kgf, then this is not enough at all; AN 26 has one engine with 2800 hp each. With.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I was talking about power in cruising mode, it’s exactly 1800-2000 l/s. The takeoff is, of course, larger.

[Eug]

100%, competent and real technical specifications are a necessary condition for development success.

[mmaxx]

Autumn bag again. Aug. Sept.
What was there? Did everything on the aileron burn out or did the propeller not feather when the engine stopped?

[Dzafdet]

This is a vivid example of the degradation of aviation schools in the Russian Federation. Plus the collapse of industry. Slogans alone will not get things moving. I feel sorry for the pilots...

[trahterist]

A tragedy, of course, but similar things have happened before.
Enter the list of Test Pilots into the same Google Yandex, and you will be quite surprised how many of them have died throughout history.
It’s just that now, with the widespread use of camera phones and social networks, any emergency spreads as quickly as possible.
Previously, you could only find out in newspapers and on TV...

[ermak124.0]

To the crew of the eternal flight. The sky is always with you now...
And experimental machines always, alas, fell. Su24, the main aircraft of the FBA, lost 14 aircraft during testing of both versions.

[Falcon iba]

According to the latest information, the engine continued to work, which caused an additional increase in the consequences of its combustion.

It’s an unclear situation; the plane must have a shut-off valve for each engine. In the event of a fire, it is enough to close it and the fuel will stop flowing; without fuel, the engine will definitely not work. It turns out that the shut-off valve was not closed! These are already questions about the design of the aircraft.
In general, very strange things are happening with this model. It took off once, then didn’t fly for a year, then flew again in March... After that there was also silence, I didn’t see any messages about the test program in open sources. Now suddenly in August it flies to a show and crashes. It seems that the plane had to be shown at any cost, it was necessary to account for the work done and the money spent! As a result, the board was piloted by chief pilot Ila (no one else could be trusted with the raw car), and the guys became hostages. This is not the first time that officials and big bosses are pushing through strong-willed decisions to the detriment of flight safety, much to our regret. Let's see who will take responsibility - the leader or the "switchman" as usual.

[Eug]

Eternal memory... gone to heaven... now on technology. In our regiment, even before my service, a pilot landed a burning MiG-25PDS with a broken fuel hose. During the analysis, it turned out that the fire-fighting system sensors were located on the plane in such a way that they did not fall into the fire zone, and therefore the system did not work. I hope that the cause will be identified and eliminated.

[Puskarinkis]

Some kind of massive loss of aircraft (not only Russian ones) for various reasons at different points lately! One without a pilot, another in a fire, a third in testing, someone fell “from old age”, and they also collided at the border with neighbors, plus small aircraft and helicopters, and sworn friends are no better... Either they forgot how to fly, maybe gravity has changed?

[zwlad]

Someone must bear responsibility for this tragedy. But it shouldn't be a switchman.

[Agent cooper]

Novorossiya should have been included in Russia in 2014, then there would have been no problems with the engines, and by the way, Russian people work there and not ragulians from Lvov. And so they lost 20 million Russians, got a break in industrial ties and NATO right next door. The Zatutins were shouting: why do we need parasites, trying to justify the cowardice of their leader. Well, eat now. And these are just flowers.

[Lunic]

Instead of normally discussing the technical details of the disaster, most of the commentators here compare their shoulder straps and shout that the polymers are screwed... Where have the real aviation specialists gone?

[West 2000]

Sorry for the pilots... Heroes!

[Ilya Nikitich]

But this plane flew over my house many times six days ago...
Kingdom of heaven, eternal memory to the crew...
People, in memory of those who died, finish the car, make it the best in the world!!!!

[Living7111972]

How can one not remember the pilot Rychagov...

[Dedok]

What are we discussing?
A bad airframe, the engines of this machine, mistakes have always existed - but before there was no such feeling that there was one mistake all around...
We need to discuss the systemic problems that are all around us: from Covid to cars and planes.
There is nepotism and managers all around, but where are our specialists? I don't ask how much they get paid.
even higher education does not answer this question - since the adoption of the Bologna Convention - we have graduated with bachelors... and not specialists
Everything we boast about today comes from the past - in whole or in part.

[Strashila]

“It must be stated that the crew of the test aircraft took all measures to divert the transport aircraft from residential areas,” they built it where there should be no housing, depriving the pilots of the possibility of an emergency landing.

[ODERVIT]

It’s strange, it turns out that someone is leaking information to the state commission for investigating the flight accident. The question is why or for how much? All work of the Civil Code is closed, as it was before. Although, nowadays...

[Maximilian37]

Quote: mmaxx

This is how the Ukrainian engines were pushed into the An-12.

complete idiot... fuck.