The ex-head of "Antonov" accused Russia of "industrial espionage" when creating the Su-75

The creation of the Russian promising single-engine fighter Checkmate was facilitated by the "large-scale industrial espionage" program implemented by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. This statement was made by the ex-head of the state enterprise "Antonov" Alexander Los in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express.

Russia was engaged in industrial espionage under the guise of a project to create a short-haul passenger aircraft Sukhoi SuperJet 100. This project, according to Los, allowed the Russians to work closely with European aircraft manufacturers, having received information on the design and assembly of aircraft.

It was SuperJet that allowed Russians to temporarily integrate into the Western, primarily European, aircraft building community. And borrow from it, first of all, approaches to the design and assembly of aircraft

- said the ex-head of "Antonov".

According to him, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements, electronics and high-precision weapons... At its core, Checkmate is a miniature copy of the Su-57 and this is a "smart decision", he adds. However, Russia has huge gaps with electronics that have to be purchased from China.

Russia has mastered a closed production cycle for radio-absorbing materials, and Sukhoi has an engine and all the avionics components required for an LTS. But, fortunately, there are still huge gaps with electronics, which Russians are now buying from China.

- he added.

Comments

[Olddetractor]

He is not a moose, but a deer.

[svp67]

Quote: Olddetractor

He is not a moose, but a deer.

Stupid comment.
You should at least listen to his thoughts and look at his deeds

Alexander Los, in the center with a model airplane
Biography of Alexander Los: short
Born 5 March 1978.
In 2001 he graduated from the Kiev International University of Civil Aviation (NAU) with a degree in aircraft construction and helicopter construction, as well as the Institute of Postgraduate Education of NAU with a degree in management of foreign economic activity of an enterprise.
He has been working at Antonov since 2002.
During this time, in particular, he held the positions of the head of the sector, deputy head of the department, deputy chief designer of hydraulic and chassis control systems.
Elk - candidate of technical sciences. Awarded with the medal "For Labor and Valor" in 2009.
Excerpts from the declaration
In 2018, at the main place of work, he earned UAH 818, and part-time - UAH 262. In cash on his hands are 18 thousand hryvnia and 832 thousand dollars. Also, an intangible electronic asset with a price of 225 thousand hryvnia is recorded on it (what exactly is not specified).
As for real estate, Alexander Los possesses:
- a land plot with an area of ​​492 square meters in Lipovy Skitik, Vasilkovsky district, Kiev region (bought it for 84 hryvnias);
- a garden house of 114,4 square meters in Lipovy Skitik (purchased for 126 hryvnia);
- an apartment of 69,9 square meters in Kiev (the cost is unknown);
- a plot of 18 square meters in Kiev (there is no information what it is).
As head of "Antonov" worked for FIVE months

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Igor Isakov

Why is this PR SOKHATOGO ????

Someone has to build the Su-27 and Mig-29 at the aircraft repair factories in Ukraine. Here is the "specialist" and manifests itself.

[Piramidon]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Someone must build Su-27 and MiG-29 at aircraft repair plants in Ukraine

And how many were built?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

He is not a moose and not a deer, but a clown. Another clown who is cowering in front of the Americans and Bandera's people to be allowed somewhere.

[Shurik70]

When everything fell apart in Ukraine, many Professionals (with a capital letter) simply had nothing to feed their families with.
It is not surprising that some of them left for Russia.
So this Elk is even somewhat right. Many technical solutions of the Antonov Design Bureau could well have been embodied in the SU. Only this is not called espionage, but "brain drain"

[out of habit]

the decisions of the Antonov Design Bureau could well have been embodied in the SU. [i] [/ i]

So the elk then complains that we robbed the Europeans, not Antonov.

[Orange bigg]

Someone is building model airplanes.

And someone builds airplanes.

.5 August, the first flight of the next production aircraft Il-96-300, built at the Voronezh Aviation Plant - VASO (part of the Transport Aviation Division of PJSC UAC of Rostec State Corporation) took place. The aircraft undergoes a cycle of factory tests for subsequent transfer to the customer. This is already the second production aircraft to begin its flight program this year.

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/142644/

[Wedmak]

On August 5, the first flight of the next production aircraft Il-96-300 took place,

It's just a pity that these airliners are only for the President's special service unit. They don't get on regular flights and probably won't.

[Orange bigg]

We are waiting for the PD-35 engine and the IL-96-400M modification with two PD-35s. Testing of the PD-35 gas generator will already begin in September.

[Wedmak]

We are waiting for the PD-35 engine and the IL-96-400M modification with two PD-35s.

If the engine comes out pretty soon, then a two-motor Il - it's still written with a pitchfork on the water. I don’t think it’s so easy to remove the two engines, all the controls need to be redone there, and most likely the wing too.

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

If the engine comes out pretty soon, then a two-motor Il - it's still written with a pitchfork on the water. I don’t think it’s so easy to remove the two engines, all the controls need to be redone there, and most likely the wing too.

Publication:
Il PJSC does not exclude the creation of an Il-96 with a composite wing and PD-35 engines
https://aviation21.ru/v-pao-il-ne-isklyuchayut-sozdanie-il-96-s-kompozitnym-krylom-i-dvigatelyami-pd-35/

[Wedmak]

Read. But here "they do not exclude" what is equivalent - maybe we can do it, probably, if it works out ... It is useless to even give forecasts: which is cheaper, to remake the 96th under 2 engines or, starting from the MC-21 technologies, to make a brand new wide-body? And what is more promising? This will look better to me. With new materials, aerodynamics, engines, electronics ...
It is true that it will not be easy to get into the wide-bodied liner market.

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

what is cheaper, to remake the 96th under 2 engines or, starting from the MC-21 technologies, to make a brand new wide-body?

And what is more advanced in the MC-21 than in the 96th? Composite wing only.

[Wedmak]

It has the widest fuselage in its class. The use of composite materials.

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

It has the widest fuselage in its class.

Each has its own size. What does technology have to do with it?

Quote: Wedmak

The use of composite materials.

Well, another tail. But this is a technological addition to the wing.

[Wedmak]

Well, that is, in your opinion, there are no new technologies there? So makings?

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

Well, that is, in your opinion, there are no new technologies there? So makings?

Are you in an offended position?
I am just for you, in response to your:

Quote: Wedmak

starting from MC-21 technologies to make a brand new wide-body

I bring that the Il-96 lags behind the MS-21 only by its wing.
IL-96 is not old, as you imagine it here.

[Wedmak]

Are you in an offended position?

Not at all. But I got the impression that you are diverting the topic of the dialogue.

IL-96 is not old, as you imagine it here.

I have never imagined him like that. I suggested that transferring it to two engines, and at the same time a composite wing, would probably cost as much as designing a new wide-body based on the proven MS-21 technologies.

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

I suggested that transferring it to two engines, and at the same time a composite wing, would probably cost as much as designing a new wide-body based on the proven MS-21 technologies.

It's hard with you ...
You cannot imagine the whole cycle and volume from technical specification to established production ...

But the main thing: what is more perfect and super duper you get from a new development similar to the MC-21?
Well, if it were completely composite, then it is understandable (but not necessary).
What exactly do you expect from the new development? And then say general phrases ...

[Wedmak]

In a new development, new technologies and new technical solutions for components and assemblies are usually applied. This makes the liner more competitive. How many such converted liners have been in history? And how many of them competed with those designed from scratch?

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

In a new development, new technologies and new technical solutions for components and assemblies are usually applied. This makes the liner more competitive.

Do you work as a manager?
To your surprise, the installation of new units on existing machines is called: modernization.

[Wedmak]

What do you want to prove? I do not understand what you are talking about.

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

What do you want to prove? I do not understand what you are talking about.

Your misunderstanding is based on your strong desire to develop a completely "new" IL-96, although you will get the same 96th.
You mistakenly think that it will be faster and cheaper than upgrading the "old" 96th and you think that the "new" one will be better.
You do not understand that it is simply stupid to develop a "new" one and organize its production for the sake of a dozen machines (some of which will be ditched for the sake of experiments and tests).

[Wedmak]

It was worth it to immediately answer in such a detailed way, and not to bombard me with questions, as in an exam. OK. Do you think that it is better to remake (not to modernize, but to remake) the Il-96, I think that it would be better to create a new one.
Only now the converted Il will also have to pass the same tests. And it is far from the fact that he will withstand them. not designed for 2 engines and a new wing (which will have a new profile and completely different loads). No matter how the floor of the fuselage of the power set had to be altered for this, that's all. So the question arose whether it would be all cheaper and more promising than making a new one.

[Genry]

Quote: Wedmak

Do you think that it is better to remake (not to modernize, but to remake) the Il-96, I think that it would be better to create a new one.

The most that needs to be redone in the modernized version is the center section, since the new wing consoles will have a slightly different profile and thickness.

Quote: Wedmak

Only now the converted Il will also have to pass the same tests.

Only a part, for new elements and nodes. An example is the modernized Il-76 with a new wing.

Quote: Wedmak

And it is far from the fact that he will withstand them since not designed for 2 engines and a new wing (which will have a new profile and completely different loads). No matter how the floor of the fuselage of the power set had to be altered for this, that's all.

Have I already written about the center section?

Quote: Wedmak

So the question arose whether it would be all cheaper and more promising than making a new one.

And faster and cheaper, and the production is all well established.

[Eug]

This can be done in parallel - even if the engine needs to be completed, its characteristics (weight, geometry, supply lines, coding and control protocols, etc.) are very reliably known and allow much to be done in advance.

[antivirus]

So you are against the Ukhri aviation ginia?
maybe the Black Sea was not dug up? who then?
you my friend so you will reach oportunizM. Uhry and Kuban settled, and the entire North Kav and the Far East is empty without them ... and Australia and South Africa.
the death of world civilization is close behind the destruction of the beacon of European civilization - uchria.
save the Kiev "Antonov"!

[aszzz888]

OrangeBigg (Alexander)
Today, 08: 29

+6
Someone is building model airplanes.

-In the photo - And he is not capable of more. So it will be with this model to run and fill points. And nothing more !!!

[pv1005]

What did Antonov create under the strict guidance of such an aircraft engineering genius as Los?

[svp67]

Quote: Kosmopolit

And what is his "tax return" for?

I believe that this characterizes a person more than his surname.

[Cosmopolit]

His tax return gives you an idea of ​​his professional qualities and competencies? Or how do you define it according to it?;) Tell us your method, we’ll find out everything!

[svp67]

Quote: Kosmopolit

You confirmed in your comment,

Yes, I showed it ON FACTS, but many people have enough to evaluate a person by their last name ... I think this is a stupid position

[Volga073]

Not Elk, but Loch!

[Terenin]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Olddetractor

He is not a moose, but a deer.

Silly comment

Alexander Los, in the center with a model airplane
Biography of Alexander Los: short
Born 5 March 1978.
In 2001 he graduated from the Kiev International University of Civil Aviation (NAU) with a degree in aircraft construction and helicopter construction, as well as the Institute of Postgraduate Education of NAU with a degree in management of foreign economic activity of an enterprise.
He has been working at Antonov since 2002.
During this time, in particular, he held the positions of the head of the sector, deputy head of the department, deputy chief designer of hydraulic and chassis control systems.
Elk - candidate of technical sciences. Awarded with the medal "For Labor and Valor" in 2009.
Excerpts from the declaration
In 2018, at the main place of work, he earned UAH 818, and part-time - UAH 262. In cash on his hands are 18 thousand hryvnia and 832 thousand dollars. Also, an intangible electronic asset with a price of 225 thousand hryvnia is recorded on it (what exactly is not specified).
As for real estate, Alexander Los possesses:
- a land plot with an area of ​​492 square meters in Lipovy Skitik, Vasilkovsky district, Kiev region (bought it for 84 hryvnias);
- a garden house of 114,4 square meters in Lipovy Skitik (purchased for 126 hryvnia);
- an apartment of 69,9 square meters in Kiev (the cost is unknown);
- a plot of 18 square meters in Kiev (there is no information what it is).
As head of "Antonov" worked for FIVE months

I listened to the boy to the phrase (12 + ... minute) that Ukraine is ready to do for India "... thousands of planes ... quote:" ... not dozens of planes, but thousands ... ", then I realized that I wasted time.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Terenin

what Ukraine is ready to do for India "... thousands of planes ... quote:" ... not dozens of planes, but thousands ... ", I realized that I wasted my time.

Chubaty is gaining points with his stuffing of the last days - probably they are going to cut something:

[Terenin]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: Terenin

what Ukraine is ready to do for India "... thousands of planes ... quote:" ... not dozens of planes, but thousands ... ", I realized that I wasted my time.

Chubaty is gaining points with his stuffing of the last days - probably they are going to cut something:

Well, of course. Sawing the budget is a sacred cause

[Pete mitchell]

He also spoke about the unfitness of the F-35 for the country 404, and he stands up for Boeing: it seems to me that he is trying to lie under Boeing ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

he stands up for Boeing: it seems to me he is trying to lie under Boeing ...

I don’t think that Boeing can drive over the ears so easily.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Terenin

I don’t think that Boeing can drive over the ears so easily.

It seems to me that Boeing's know perfectly well who is who in the aviation world, but forelock clearly hopes for something .. naive, I would look at the Czech experience of cooperation with boieng

[venik]

Quote: Terenin

In 2001 he graduated from the Kiev International University of Civil Aviation (NAU) with a degree in aircraft construction and helicopter construction

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Sorry, Gennady!
Did I understand you correctly? In fact, in the USSR, only 3 (THREE) universities trained aircraft designers: MAI (Moscow Aviation Institute), KhAI (Kharkov Aviation Institute) and Bauman MVTU. (The latter was considered the coolest. Here.
And in Kiev there was only KIIGA (Kiev Institute of Civil Aviation Engineers), which trained specialists for maintenance and repair CIVIL aircraft for Airports ..... Shortly before the collapse of the Union, I happened to be there on a business trip. So: NO design faculties and departments (neither on airplanes, nor even more so on helicopters) - there was NOT even "in sight" (from the word AT ALL!).
PS Although, what to expect from a country that renames tank repair factories into "armored", just to "sound prettier" .....
PPS Sch-sch-ac, from ukropatriots "slippers will fly in jamb" ....
Well, God bless them! No getting used to!

[Mityay65]

No. MVTU (now MSTU) them. Bauman has not trained in aircraft-building specialties since the beginning of the 60s. This is a rocket university. GTE designers are trained for engines.
KAI (now KNITU-KAI) them. Tupolev in Kazan trained and prepares designers for aircraft-building specialties. And the engines.
"Antonov" in the 90s at the enterprise organized a branch of the KhAI for themselves. Where are specialists trained, incl. designers, without interrupting production. I'm not sure, but maybe this has already fallen apart.

[venik]

Quote: Mityai65

No. MVTU (now MSTU) them. Bauman has not trained in aircraft construction since the beginning of the 60s.

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You are wrong, Dmitry! I thought so too, until I met a former colleague. So he graduated from "Baumanka", and his specialty was associated with aerodynamic control systems of aircraft, and not in relation to missiles, but just specifically to the planes (I calculated the effectiveness of elevators and rudders, ailerons, brake flaps, etc.) After graduating from MVTU, according to distribution, I got to Kiev, to the Antonov Design Bureau, where I worked for 6 or 7 years. And in the middle of the 90s, realizing, that there is nothing more to catch (the promised apartment was never given, the salaries were scanty, and not regularly), returned from Ukraine, but worked no longer in his specialty ...
So, as you can see, they are cooking, or more precisely, they were cooking (at least back in the late 80s). The truth of a faculty like aircraft construction, there really was not, but there was a faculty of aerodynamics of an aircraft, or it was called somehow differently (he called, but I don't remember ...)

[Mityay65]

I think I am not mistaken. Your colleague graduated from the faculty of "Special mechanical engineering", in the common people called "Rocket", department SM-3. There are no other departments specializing in aerodynamics in Baumanka. She is engaged, according to what is written on the official website, with aircraft aerodynamics. You can watch it if you like. But this is the aerodynamics of "flying vehicles" - the aircraft. And she nourishes the neighboring department of the faculty with her activities.
Yes, a specialist graduate of this department could well work as an aerodynamicist in an aircraft design bureau. But apparently there was some kind of cronyism, Kiev in those years was considered a thieves satisfying place and the ministry was not specialized - MAP, not IOM. To do this, it was necessary to receive a letter from the enterprise with a request to send a young specialist named “we will provide housing”.
For every fireman: there are different rockets, including those with wings, similar to airplanes, but not airplanes.

[Eug]

Several years ago, there was an ANTK group at the Kiev Poly, studying in the specialty "Aviation Complexes and Systems". Whether there is now - I do not know.

[Terenin]

Quote: venik

Quote: Terenin

In 2001 he graduated from the Kiev International University of Civil Aviation (NAU) with a degree in aircraft construction and helicopter construction

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Sorry, Gennady!
Did I understand you correctly? In fact, in the USSR, only 3 (THREE) universities trained aircraft designers: MAI (Moscow Aviation Institute), KhAI (Kharkov Aviation Institute) and Bauman MVTU. (The latter was considered the coolest. Here.
And in Kiev there was only KIIGA (Kiev Institute of Civil Aviation Engineers), which trained specialists for maintenance and repair CIVIL aircraft for Airports ..... Shortly before the collapse of the Union, I happened to be there on a business trip. So: NO design faculties and departments (neither on airplanes, nor even more so on helicopters) - there was NOT even "in sight" (from the word AT ALL!).
PS Although, what to expect from a country that renames tank repair factories into "armored", just to "sound prettier" .....
PPS Sch-sch-ac, from ukropatriots "slippers will fly in jamb" ....
Well, God bless them! No getting used to!

Vladimir this is not my post

My behold

Quote: Terenin

I listened to the boy to the phrase (12 + ... minute) that Ukraine is ready to do for India "... thousands of planes ... quote:" ... not dozens of planes, but thousands ... ", then I realized that I wasted time.

[venik]

Quote: Terenin

Vladimir hi this is not my post no

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Sorry, Gennady! A little fraernulsya ... It turned out, as in that saying: "Mal-mal gave an error - instead of "Hurray!" - "Guard" shouted!"... Somehow it turned out awkwardly .... Once again - Sorry!

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

that Ukraine is ready to do thousands of planes for India .. "...

To be fair, he does not say that there, he meant the capacity of the Indian market!

[AVA77]

Anecdote in the topic about Elk

[fruc]

As head of "Antonov" worked for FIVE months

And why does this "talent" not lead any further, were they blown away or Putin is to blame?

[venik]

Quote: svp67

Alexander Los, in the center with a model airplane
Biography of Alexander Los

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One "small" but very "important" detail is missing in your commentary, namely: WHAT exactly, this "moose", when I was Gchief designer, DESIGNED?
Or is it just another "effective manager" (judging by the income) ???

[svp67]

Quote: venik

One "small" but very "important" detail is missing in your commentary, namely: WHAT exactly, this "moose", when

My commentary contains everything, all the information for evaluating this person in the position of General Director of "Antonov", and not just silly banter over his name.
Do you think that a person should be spread rot for his surname or for his deeds?

[Barberry25]

in this case, the surname is just a confirmation of his stupidity as a specialist ..

[svp67]

Quote: Barberry25

in this case, the surname is just a confirmation of his stupidity as a specialist ..

Sorry, but your comment personally confirms your STUPIDITY.
And what does the surname of these people confirm?
Andrey Filippovich Los (November 28, 1913, Minsk province, Uglany - October 22, 2000, Riga) - officer of the Soviet Army, participant of the Great Patriotic War, literary officer and war correspondent. In co-authorship he wrote a number of books dedicated to the feat of Soviet soldiers in the heroic defense of Liepaja [1] [2], guard lieutenant colonel (1952).
Alexander Ivanovich Los (born January 27, 1951, Dnepropetrovsk) - Soviet, Ukrainian and Moldavian race car driver, 4-time champion of the USSR in autocross in the "buggy" class, multiple champion of the Ukrainian SSR, MSSR and independent Moldova.
There is such a fantastic novel "Aelita", the surname of one of the main characters LOS, what does this mean?

[Barberry25]

but where did I indicate that all the moose are bad? here is a banal coincidence of the surname and content .. what actually did the emphasis on, and your reaction suggests that it hurt you for a personal .. was it really teased at school? so it is high time to grow up

[svp67]

Quote: Barberry25

so grow up it's high time

I see you can't get out of "short pants" ...

Quote: Barberry25

was it really teased at school?

School, hmm ... how long has it been, four decades ago. No, in our country, people were rarely offended, all the more by their surnames, the international team was too much, as there was always something to do, there was no time for that.

Quote: Barberry25

and where did I indicate that all the moose are bad? here is a banal coincidence of the name and content ..

So explain to me what is the meaning of this name? I brought you THREE more people with the surname Los, and what is their coincidence?
You really have childhood in one place or personal problems, when you need to prove that someone is even worse than you ... and then, and then somehow they do not paint a person

[Barberry25]

and you re-read the comment about "he is not a moose, but he is a deer" and then think about what and what ...

[svp67]

Quote: Barberry25

and you re-read the comment about "he is not a moose, but he is a deer" and then think about what and what ...

I have already expressed my opinion, but if you did not understand it, then "medicine is already powerless"

[Barberry25]

suggesting to put you to sleep 7 I am not a supporter of radical methods

[venik]

Quote: svp67

My comment has everything, all information to evaluate this person in the position of General Director of "Antonov", and not just a silly banter over his name.

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Of course there is! I was especially pleased with the list of his "achievements" in the field personal enrichment[/ b]!
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Quote: svp67

Do you think that a person should be spread rot for his surname and for his deeds?

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So I understand that you wanted to write: "for his surname, [b] and not for his deeds "? Did I understand correctly?
Well, and if real THERE IS NO CASE! (Well, apart from touching concern for your own pocket and ridiculous comments), then what is left?

[svp67]

Quote: venik

And if it DOES THEN - NO! (Well, if you don't count the touching care of your own pocket), then what is it that goes along?

It is his affairs and to discuss, and not to trample like children by his last name.
Have you read the novel "Aelita"? What was the name of the protagonist? And let's walk through it?

[venik]

Quote: svp67

It is his affairs and to discuss, and not to trample like children by his last name.

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I repeat once again, for those who are especially "intelligent" - if there are NO CASES, then discussing them is simply impossible: there is NOTHING to discuss, except for the issues of his personal enrichment (on which you made such an emphasis), and even stupid to the point of absurdity interview.....
PS You are already so tired of me with this "elk" that I am not going to read your comments on this topic anymore!

[svp67]

Quote: venik

PS You are already so tired of me with this "elk" that I am not going to read your comments on this topic anymore!

He's not mine, but in this story you can dig

From May 2018 to June 2020, the company was headed by Alexander Donets - for the first time a leader respected by the team. But respect for respect, and nothing special, like his predecessors, Donets did not remember. Four years went down the drain for Antonov - it's good that without any tragedies.
Already the new government dismissed Donets and appointed Alexander Los. He did not become a full-fledged leader. In fact, the company under him was headed by the vice president of marketing Yuliy Kiselyov. Even before that, Donets tried to remove Kiselyov, reducing his post.
And almost immediately after that, Aivaras Abromavichyus' Ukroboronprom dismissed Donets himself with vivid wording. And as soon as Los became the head, Kiselev returned to the company and began to lead it.
In fact, the main fault of Donets was not the confrontation with Kiselyov, but the failure to comply with the directive of Ukroboronprom to create an independent supervisory board. His follower seemed to have drawn the right conclusions.
Representatives of "Ukroboronrom" called Oleksandr Los "young, professional and future-oriented." But Elk did not become an independent manager, and even less did he give the plant the orders promised by Ukroboronprom.
But one day, hands reached the Elk. According to my information, he did not sign the documents that finally subordinated Antonov to the concern. For which he paid.
In the last few days, Ukroboronprom has made several quick steps. Once - appointed Bychkov, who quickly signed everything that Alexander Los did not sign. I don’t know what the UOP didn’t suit Elk. I suspect he did not sign the new Antonov charter and the regulation on the supervisory board.

Two - the change of the leader was explained traditionally. UOP conducted another audit, in which it discovered large-scale (in his opinion) theft - $ 11 million. They conducted an audit, then a press conference - and under the guise of replacing the seemingly unfulfilled Elk's hopes for the more accommodating Bychkov.
It doesn't matter that there have been about 20 such audits over the past two years. It doesn't matter that the audit at Antonov was funded by the government of France, the homeland of Airbus. Let me remind you that Airbus is a direct competitor of Antonov and the most successful aircraft manufacturer in the world. I would not be surprised if this particular company claims to be the design documentation of Ukrainian aircraft designers.
Three. In fact, very different things happened behind the smoke screen of the press conference. November 4 and. O. the general director of the concern "Ukroboronprom" Fomenko by order No. 446 approved the new charter of "Antonov" and the regulation on the supervisory board. The newly appointed Bychkov instantly signed everything that was needed. And this is the new charter and regulations on the supervisory board of "Antonov".

[Maikcg]

Airbus is a direct competitor of Antonov

Haberdasher and Cardinal!

[poquello]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Olddetractor

He is not a moose, but a deer.

Silly comment

really, but something early, elk rut from about September 15 to October 10

[alex83]

I hope you about your comment

[mmaxx]

A furry paw is visible along the quarry.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Professionalism and conscience are not the same!

[akarfoxhound]

Thank you, eh, this "biographical story" with his weather achievements suggests that this elk, while managing in Antonov, did not build a single aircraft. But I learned to zvizdet on the letter "pi", and people who are insanely far from aviation - hawala with pleasure!

[Black Colonel]

Real estate assets, assets ... And what?

[Serge-667]

Five months is not enough.
And his opinion is not based on anything other than delirium.

[Machito]

From a sore head to a healthy one. This is an F-35 communized Yak.

[Xlor]

He is not a moose, but a deer

Rather a ram. Svidomo ...

[Peak]

Quote: Olddetractor

He is not a moose, but a deer.

In his opinion, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements, electronics and precision weapons. At its core, Checkmate is a small copy of the Su-57 and this is a "smart decision"

Everything in one heap and the promising Su-75 and the legendary MiG-21, and the flagship Su-57, indiscriminately.

It is not surprising - Ukraine

There, in Ukraine, will they ever learn to separate one from the other?

[Terenin]

Another "professional" loser. The more the stench on Russia, the wider the bathroom in the West.

[fruc]

ex-head of the state enterprise "Antonov" Alexander Los made a speech in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express.

There is nothing to comment on, it's just yap and his name is Nothing.

[Kamchatsky]

He's not a moose - he's a goof!

[venik]

Quote: Olddetractor

He is not a moose, but a deer.

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Do not offend noble animals! This "moose" has already been noted by the statement that Ukraine, in order to replace the rapidly degrading fleet of fighters, must purchase the American F-15EX from the tactical fighter available on the arms market !!! (An article about this on VO was only yesterday!).
It looks like the "moose" has decided to "excel" again!
"...In his opinion, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements ..."
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Perfectly! And hedgehog - Yak-141 with one air intake .... But in principle: WHAT is the difference in the manifold? Both cars are Russian! And naturally continuity design school works!
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"...But, fortunately, there are still huge gaps with electronics, which Russians are now buying from China...."
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On this score, you can give a LOT of comments ... I will confine myself to ONE: "This WHO trying to criticize? Representative of a country with a past developed electronics industry, and now when creating devices using 100% imported element base ?! In the Russian Federation, at least something of the element base is produced (albeit in insufficient quantities, albeit in terms of parameters not very ....), but in Ukraine ??? BUT - NOTHING!!! ALL devices are COMPLETELY based on imported elements .....
That's really Elk, so "elk"!!!

[Gado]

But fortunately, there are still huge gaps with electronics.

Here it is, happiness!
I didn’t want to leave a comment under the next delusional article from Ukraine, they were tired of their stories for a long time, but such a statement can only be made by a sick person.

[venik]

Quote: Gado

but such a statement can only be made by a person with a headache.

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And you try to name at least one a major Ukrainian politician, official or "media representative" to whom this characteristic would not apply!
PS I tried .... It didn't work! I have not found it!
PPS Maybe you didn't have enough erudition?

[Barberry25]

in in, and then this is his "moment-21 with elements of stealth, then a reduced su-57" ..

[Shelest2000]

Yes, what a deer he is - an idiot, moreover, a fabulous one. It seems that the hydration has eaten his brain.

According to him, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements,

Apparently, in the heat of * his "guiding", he forgot what the MIG-21 looks like (rukalitso)

[svp67]

According to him, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements, electronics and precision weapons. At its core, Checkmate is a miniature copy of the Su-57 and this is a "smart decision", he adds. However, Russia has huge gaps with electronics that have to be purchased from China.

I'm confused, so "Chessplayer", is it a "new MiG-21" or "mini Su-57"? Something "client" is confused in the testimony. And where do Western aircraft manufacturers buy electronics?

The creation of the Russian promising single-engine fighter Checkmate was facilitated by the "large-scale industrial espionage" program implemented by the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

And what could Ukraine create? How does all this relate to the slogan "The whole world is with us"?

[Peak]

Quote: svp67

Something I'm confused, so "Chessplayer", is it a "new MiG-21" or "mini Su-57"? Something "client" is confused in the testimony.

So it turns out that you have changed your mind about the "client" - Los, carrying nonsense?

Quote: Olddetractor
He is not a moose, but a deer.

Quote: svp67

Silly comment

[svp67]

Quote: PiK

So it turns out that you have changed your mind about the "client" - Los, carrying nonsense?

I? Didn't change my mind

Quote: PiK

Silly comment

Excuse me, but do you think that we should cling to his name or views and deeds? It is foolish to try to evaluate a person by his last name and insult him. Some kind of kindergarten. Do you think that the whole problem of this person is in the surname?

[Peak]

Quote: svp67

I? Didn't change my mind

And in vain The number of "viewers' dislikes" indicates that you at least made a mistake in the wording of the comment, calling it "stupid".

But in general, you are mistaken in much more

[Alex777]

Quote: svp67

Something I'm confused, so "Chessplayer", is it a "new MiG-21" or "mini Su-57"?

Have you decided to delve into the meaning of Elk's statements?
It was the lack of meaning that provoked the reaction: a deer!

[rocket757]

The creation of the Russian promising single-engine fighter Checkmate was facilitated by the "large-scale industrial espionage" program implemented by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. This statement was made by the ex-head of the state enterprise "Antonov" Alexander Los in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express.

Not serious ... no subject for discussion ...
Oh yes, industrial spies WERE, IS and WILL BE, moreover, on a global scale! Someone doubted it?

[cniza]

And even from the moment when mammoths were hunted ...

[rocket757]

To spy on, adopt new ideas, methods of obtaining food and protection ... this is also a way of the tribe's survival!
Does it make sense to condemn it ??? New, advanced and so spread across the planet !!!
Primitive people were simpler, more honest.

[Terenin]

Quote: rocket757

Oh yes, industrial spies WAS, IS and WILL BE

To whom is a spy, and to whom is a valiant scout

[rocket757]

Hi Gennady
It just so happened that the terms, labels, we hang from the point of view of our preferences ... although, the essence is the same.
True, there is a category of traitors to the Motherland, here the interpretation is unambiguous ...

[mmaxx]

It was necessary to add more about doping ...

[rocket757]

So the speaker and so, under some kind of "high" invented all this ... did not want to "give up" completely and immediately.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

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The elk is roaring ...
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[Terenin]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

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The elk is roaring ...
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In my opinion, the number of "elk" allows the SVR to hunt without harming its population.

[saturn.mmm]

If you want to be noticed to spoil the air.

[paul3390]

It was necessary to declare that both the Su-57 and the Su-75 are like secret developments of Ukrainian geniuses from "Antonov", impudently suppressed by sworn Muscovites .. That would be clearly more plausible.

[Klingon]

Not this Loch is simply trying to divert the attention of the Ukrainian inhabitants from the appalling state of their own aircraft industry. In Chubland, after all, almost all aircraft factories have already been lost, including Antonov himself .. The song of the Megadeth group comes to mind - "Symphony of Destruction '

[Eug]

As far as I know, ANTK and its subsidiary - Antonov serial plant - managed to retain at least the main team. Again - as far as I know, such infa, you yourself understand, is very ambiguous - largely thanks to one of the leaders, whom the UOP accused of keeping the team, spending money on salaries for practically idle aircraft manufacturers, and does not transfer money to OPS. And the money, as I understand it, from the operation of 7 pieces. An-124.

[bar]

According to him, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements, electronics and precision weapons. At its core, Checkmate is a miniature copy of the Su-57

What a mess in the head of this "ex-head of Antonov" ...

[paul3390]

In theory, if modern electronics and engines were installed on the MiG-21, it would have turned out to be a very worthy car even now ..

[Wedmak]

In theory, yes, but not very modern aerodynamics would drag him down.

[Avior]

And the question arises, why did they bring it to VO?

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

And the question arises, why did they bring it to VO?

It SAMO Seething Ukraine is overflowing with this. So it spills over the edge ...

[Avior]

Yes, I have already encountered your fantasies.
In this case ...
Nothing comes to VO itself, someone selects information. Therefore, the question is - why is this meaningless information from an insignificant source on VO?

[Xlor]

What a mess in the head of this "ex-head of Antonov" ..

There is not a mess, but something that is not customary to say in a decent society ...

[Sonmaster]

Accused Russia of industrial espionage

Well....

[A1845]

enchanting delirium that linked the instant-21 and the su-57 together ..
Why reprint these reports from Kashchenko on VO?

[Orange bigg]

So this is an elk. What do you want?

[Snail N9]

Something a lot of "moose" was on the VO. Yesterday, there seemed to be a note here about his statement about the need for Ukraine to purchase an F-15EX, now he is defecating about the Su-75. Elks are growing, they are promoting ...

[Orange bigg]

He probably wants to grow up to the Elephant.

[Xlor]

reports from Kashchenko

Not from Kashchenko, but from an invented country ...

[Terenin]

Quote: A1845

enchanting delirium that linked the instant-21 and the su-57 together ..
Why reprint these reports from Kashchenko on VO?

It must be admitted that the Ukrainian elite, starting with Ze, have succeeded in enraging people with stupid delirium.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Sick people, what can you take from them?

[Avior]

Some kind of dominance in the media has become with the prefix ex
Ex-deputies, ex-ministers, ex-heads of anything.
Exs want to talk, they are used to being in sight, but in the media, why drag and load the reader with this meaningless information?
Ex-this means that he has nothing to do with any leadership and can say anything - anyway, he is not responsible for the words.

[jovanni]

Well, thank God, they have their own brainless "effective managers". Then they gave the kid a model, well, let him have fun ...

[cniza]

It's simple, you can't do it yourself, criticize and teach others - this frame has mastered this science ...

[APASUS]

What is this weird stuff?
It seems that they were spying under the guise of a project of a short-haul passenger aircraft Sukhoi SuperJet 100, and right there about its essence Checkmate - a reduced copy of the Su-57.
Something I have big doubts that the civil and military aircraft industry uses the same technologies

[riwas]

It is strange that they were not accused of stealing technology from Ukraine - the most advanced in the creation of stealth aircraft.

[Doccor18]

according to Elk ...

Well, I had to write like this
It is a pity that the wonderful Antonov Design Bureau, which in Soviet times was one of the pillars of the aircraft industry, is now only capable of giving birth to news of the tabloid newspaper level, under the leadership of a candidate of sciences (just something) ...

[Volga073]

Offended competitor .. wait crying))

[K-50]

Russia was engaged in industrial espionage under the guise of a project to create a short-haul passenger aircraft Sukhoi SuperJet 100. This project, according to Los, allowed the Russians to work closely with European aircraft manufacturers, having received information on the design and assembly of aircraft.

Yeah, but before that Russia had not designed or manufactured airplanes!
Such statements of the ukropithecus clearly show the "depth" of their mind.
De bily, sir!

[Ramadan]

"But, fortunately, there are still huge gaps with the electronics that Russians are now buying from China."

It seems that this statement was made in a very technologically advanced and highly developed country, where their missiles and aircraft are produced.

[Vladimir Vlasov]

Now everyone in the world steals, especially technology. So what?

[Fedor Ivanov]

Well, stop laughing at Elk! There, next to the lads, there is a 3D printer, by September 1, a full-size machine will be printed ...

[PPD]

Either Superjet or Mig 21.
Or something else. It's good that the Su 2 was not borrowed from the An 75.
About the project E 8 uncle can be seen not in the subject.
Well, yes, the model Mig E 8 of this aircraft, she recently appeared. He doesn't know yet. I didn’t collect, how we’ll collect new revelations.

[Nikolaevich I]

there are still huge gaps with electronics that Russians are now buying from China
Duc, even the US buys "electronics" in China! What a certain "department" has recently complained about ... they say, a very large percentage of Chinese microchips ... would be less! Will they subtract? Several years ago, the US was already in a scandal over the presence of Chinese microchips in the electronic equipment of American weapons! But, it seems, "things are still there"!

[KCA]

They scuffled not just about the fact that they were Chinese, but about the fact that, in general, a counterfeit of unknown origin and, of course, without any military and space techniques.

[Oleg Aviator]

Let the elk shut up and sniff in two holes. And he needs to be reminded that without Russia his bureau simply would not exist. From the word at all. And all new developments have been created in cooperation with Russia. And also to remind for the repair and modernization of MiGs and Su. Which Svidomo themselves modernize without the participation of the developer.

[Vladimir61]

The flea reproaches the elephant for stealing the gold chain from her!

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: svp67

As head of "Antonov" worked for FIVE months

What's so little? Why didn't you fit? A candidate of the wrong caliber, or is the property small, there is nothing to share? Happy he is yours.

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Well, stop laughing at Elk! There, next to the lads, there is a 3D printer, by September 1, a full-size machine will be printed ...

Choi's boss is too small. I didn’t quit playing with toys. Vaughn didn’t even leave the airplane on the rug in the bedroom, he came running as he was.

[Vitamin]

There are all the components of the avionics, but no electronics. Reeks of delirium.
Is it not avionics avionics radio electronic equipment?

[Unsam]

Nda .... I remember our Minister of Foreign Affairs and his famous statement.

[Uma palata]

Slap is an outwardly creative person, looking like an actor. And he speaks like an actor, and the content of his speech is like that of their cheerful and resourceful. Are they chtol brothers between them?

[Mikhail3]

Design Bureau "Antonov" can claim industrial espionage in relation to only those developments that were carried out by this design bureau after 91 years. Those that were done before belong not to the Antonov Design Bureau, but to the USSR Ministry of Defense, as the customer who paid in full for all and all kinds of work. Since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, now all these developments, to a penny, belong to us.
Proceedings should be initiated in the magistrates' courts demanding the return of Russia's property. In this particular case, this applicant must present fresh developments that were allegedly stolen from him. If not, a two-billion-dollar lawsuit to undermine the business reputation from KB Sukhoi would be very appropriate.

[HMR333]

And what does the moment 21 have to do with it? And Europe, what side do they have for the 5th generation technology? They will not do a project in any way! Another delirium of a madman if you are already tulish bullshit well, at least I would have come up with more realistic!

[exo]

Superjet was originally an international project promoted by Boeing. And there was no point in stealing. The basic technologies were already provided. But there are no super breakthrough technologies in the Superjet. Simple, not bad and quite modern aircraft.
And MS-21, at the initial stage, was with the participation of Western firms.
So, the ex-head of the Antonov State Enterprise got excited.

[kytx]

Well, whoever doubted ... pick up a special

[Yuriy71]

M ... yes! He's not an Elk! He's a DEER! "In his opinion, the new Russian Su-75 is a MiG-21 with stealth elements ..." That says it all !!!

[Metallurg_2]

Well, thank Gd that they stole from Europe. And I thought he would say that the xox's work was stolen again.

[alexey alexeyev_4]

Skotina. The great Soviet Designer O .. Antonov never claimed that someone stole his ideas. Moreover, they were mostly revolutionary

[boris epstein]

The head of the association, Antonov, accused Russia of industrial espionage. But as far as I know, the Antonov Design Bureau specialized in TRANSPORT and PASSENGER aircraft. And the Su-75 Fighter. What can you get from the Antonov Design Bureau? I don’t see point-blank espionage! And the Russian design bureaus MiG and Su-own, work for one state - the Russian Federation. And if the country needs it, they will share the developments, then they will be counted.

[Protos]

That this Elk is a noble stargale
For shouts SUGS went from lower deputies to director (for a year, really)

[sifgame]

"... The Su-75 is a MiG-21 ...... At its core, Checkmate is a miniature copy of the Su-57 ..! How's that? The Su-57 is a MiG21?

[xomaNN]

According to the results of uk..r. aviation industry and design bureau "Antonov" you can see what kind of personnel there. Great specialists in versions, but in a professional engineering plan - ZERO!

[Borisych]

Why did Elk say about the MiG-21? I think he is a little wrong. Probably, after all, it is the MiG-17, or the MiG-15. Perhaps, in the long term, it is even a MiG-3.

[Joker62]

Quote: Wedmak

It was worth it to immediately answer in such a detailed way, and not to bombard me with questions, as in an exam. OK. Do you think that it is better to remake (not to modernize, but to remake) the Il-96, I think that it would be better to create a new one.
Only now the converted Il will also have to pass the same tests. And it is far from the fact that he will withstand them. not designed for 2 engines and a new wing (which will have a new profile and completely different loads). No matter how the floor of the fuselage of the power set had to be altered for this, that's all. So the question arose whether it would be all cheaper and more promising than making a new one.

If you are a specialist in the aviation profile, and even more so in aircraft construction, you will receive up to a bunch of questions in the course of YOUR answer. The more correct answers, as a rule, the fewer counter questions are asked. You, judging by your thinking, are a mess in your head, there is no clear understanding of the essence. Therefore, you were drowned in the exam, as a poorly prepared specialist, you did it yourself, with your own hands, and not the examiners.
Although you can ask me a question, who will you be? I will answer in advance - I am an aircraft manufacturer, I work in the UAC system, Su-34. By profession - a specialist in power electrical systems - from a generator to a dashboard.

[Maikcg]

After sitting in the director's chair for six months, any elk can then carry any nonsense with the air of an expert.

[mmaxx]

I tried to watch this interview. But over the years, the opinion has developed that Ukrainians have deliberately sharpened their language for thinking. Nothing but delirium on it does not work. At least, smart people who expound something on YouTube are not shown. I don't even want to laugh at these speeches.

[Zx_spectrum]

Only strong intelligence structures engage in espionage.
In the USSR, the atomic bomb project was obtained only with the help of intelligence recruiters.
So, everyone is trying to do industrial espionage, but some are unsuccessful.
In the 90s, the United States received the design of our newest torpedo, the Shkval, of course, through the power of money.

[ermak124.0]

Hey, I thought we were talking about stolen technologies for the production of jumping pans...

[Diverter]

I think that this article was written for the sake of the article. The fact is that in territory 404, similar statements, interviews, etc. are made almost every day. And every time in the Russian Federation they report about some achievement, the Nazis immediately have a bunch of chants that it was stolen from them, it was filmed at Mosfilm, it’s a lie, it will fall apart, and so on and so forth. I don’t think it’s advisable to pay attention to the screams from that territory. With the exception of topics related to military operations and the prospect of the collapse of that under-country.

[Diviz]

F35 copy yak. This plane is an analogue of the F35. Do the costs of the Cold War lead to progress? It is clear that if instant 41 flies, will it be shown on display?
The story with the refueling rod on the back fire will continue to swirl in our minds. There will be a monopoly in space like in Star Wars. We'll wait and see. We still have everything ahead.

[Terran ghost]

F35 copy yak

Well, actually no.

Do the costs of the Cold War lead to progress?

Well, the manned space program as such is largely these “costs” ;)

There will be a monopoly in space like in Star Wars.

Why do you think so? In space there will be competition at least between the United States and China.
PS: Where did you find the “monopoly in space” in the series of films in the space fantasy genre “Star Wars” is also unclear o.O

[stels_07]

Wow, I thought he would say that something was stolen from Ukraine

[Zaurbek]

It seems to be true....SSG gave us access to technology and equipment....without it there would be no MS21.

But what is the problem with the Russian Federation? If you have the opportunity to buy technology and equipment, that's good!

[EEE226]

I don’t see any point in discussing this Elk’s statements. I would understand if such statements were made by American or European aircraft designers, but paying attention to those who have not been able to produce a single new design or development in the aircraft industry for ten years is simply a waste of time!

[Terran ghost]

And borrow from it, first of all, approaches to the design and assembly of aircraft

“Approaches to designing and assembling aircraft” are generally not patentable at all. So it is impossible to violate them by borrowing anything.

[Castro Ruiz]

This Los appears to me as a victim of the moonshine still and its product.