British press: Israel did not take seriously the warnings of the Russian Federation on Syria, now it is dealing with the Russian complexes "Pantsir" and "Buk"

The Russian Defense Ministry has officially announced that the Syrian air defense forces, which shot down seven Israeli missiles in an air raid on Aleppo, have used the Russian Pantsir-S and Buk-M2 anti-aircraft systems. According to the author of an article for the British edition of Rai Al Youm, Russia has warned Israel to change its position on attacks on Syria.

According to the author, Russia and Israel for a long time avoided clashes in Syria in every possible way, where their interests intersect. Moscow, introducing its forces into Syrian territory in 2015, took into account Israel's security interests. The task of Russia in Syria, as the Kremlin has repeatedly stated, is to preserve the Syrian state. Israel has a different task, they are trying to prevent the growth of the influence of Iran - the country's main geopolitical enemy in the Middle East. At the same time, Israel understands the importance of good relations with Russia.

Recently, however, Israel, according to the author, has gone too far in an effort to protect its interests in Syria. Moscow began to perceive Israeli actions as irresponsible. Since the beginning of the year, the Israeli aviation struck several strikes on Syrian territory, including targets located near Russian military posts. At the same time, the information of the Russian military was carried out immediately before the strike.

Despite Moscow's warnings, Israel continued to strike at Syrian territory, including the area where the Russian military is based, including the west and north of the SAR. Russia got tired of this, and in the last raid, Israeli missiles were met by Russian-made anti-aircraft systems, which shot down seven out of eight missiles.

This suggests that Russia has "run out of patience." She will not allow Israel or anyone else to spoil what she has achieved in Syria.

- the author writes.

Thus, Israel did not take seriously Moscow's warnings and will now deal with the Russian Pantsir and Buk complexes. Whether Russia takes more serious steps will depend on Israel's further actions, the author sums up. It was noted that this could also be a signal for the new Israeli government headed by Naftali Bennett. The Russian authorities usually came to an agreement with Benjamin Netanyahu.

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[Eragon]

But the question is: whose operators are in control? Russian or Syrian?

[Peak]

For a long time, Russia and Israel avoided clashes in Syria in every possible way, where their interests intersect.

We, for our part, continue to adhere to this practice.
But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: PiK

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

This is annoying. Israelis shoot outside Syrian airspace. We will not overstrain technically? Air defense systems are always more expensive than offensive weapons. And if you do not touch the carriers, then even more so

[Peak]

Quote: NDR-791

This is annoying. Israelis shoot outside Syrian airspace. We will not overstrain technically? Air defense systems are by definition more expensive

Expensive ? And it depends on what to shoot down - missiles or planes carrying them.

I wrote - " while only the means of destruction are lost, and not their carriers".
Keyword here "while", so Israel obviously needs to simply add 2 and 2 of the presence of the air defense system and our diplomatic warnings

[NDR-791]

Quote: PiK

The key word here is "bye"

Unfortunately, only a word will remain. Even if the calculations are ours, and not the Syrian ones, when it gets into the same shell, Israel will get off with "tomatoes" as the great Ottoman got off.

[Shurik70]

Quote: NDR-791

Unfortunately, only a word will remain

If Israel does not get results from rocket attacks, it will stop it.
And it will move on to the tactics of ordinary terrorists - mines, snipers.
How he does it on the territory of Iran.

[keeper03]

With mothballs of them all, they serve them right for a long time !!!

[Pavel73]

But how to say ... The carapace costs 15 million, the F-16 - 30 million. The cost of the missiles is also comparable.

[Alex Kozyrev]

F-16 from 34 to 50 lamas, depending on the model and configuration. The Jews are obviously the most expensive.

[Rome]

F16 for Israel is free, almost they buy American armaments, with American money, tk. The United States annually allocates military aid to Israel in billions of dollars, with the condition that these amounts will be spent on American weapons. Israel spends its money on the modernization and maintenance of American weapons. Therefore, in case of loss of carriers, American money cried Israel does not care, the main thing is that the pilot survived

[surok1]

They already crossed the border when they began to maintain chaos in the region, which directly threatened us. They have a “win-win position” - the destruction of Israel is a consolidating idea for Arabs and Muslims. And if they still drag debauchery with them, then this is all! Branch of Babylon. Wherever you throw it, there is a wedge everywhere. The goodwill of Russia is salvation.
One of the driving forces of modern civilization is Jewish conceptual thought. It's their fault for what is happening in America. And we need to save as many good people as possible on both sides of the border. The disputed territories are just the heights. If there is trust and consensus, Russia can occupy them.

[free_flier]

With the technology of the explosion of an air defense missile in front ABOVE the cockpit, it is somehow hard to believe in the real feasibility of the phrase "... the main thing is that the pilot survives" ...
If only to eject immediately during takeoff from the runway ... breaking away from it, the plane will already be on the radars of the air defense systems.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: PiK

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

This is annoying. Israelis shoot outside Syrian airspace. We will not overstrain technically? Air defense systems are always more expensive than offensive weapons. And if you do not touch the carriers, then even more so

So they strike from the airspace of Lebanon, from behind the hill.
It's hard to get an airplane down for air defense.
The problem is that Lebanese airspace is not fully controlled by either Lebanon, Syria or Russia. Therefore, the Israelis feel at home there.

The decision is obvious that Israel's flights in Lebanese airspace should be blocked.
For example, the recreation of the Lebanese Air Force and / or Air Defense.
But this is a political issue for the supply of weapons and financial at whose expense.
But while Israel rattles its arms and demonstrates its tenacity, the plus sign for something like arming Lebanon becomes more.

[Shryon]

The decision is obvious that Israel's flights in Lebanese airspace should be blocked.
For example, the recreation of the Lebanese Air Force and / or Air Defense.
But this is a political issue for the supply of weapons and financial at whose expense.
But while Israel rattles its arms and demonstrates its tenacity, the plus sign for something like arming Lebanon becomes more.

In this scenario, what will Israel choose? Will he watch calmly as Islamic terrorists in Lebanon implement their plans to destroy the "Zionist entity" and dump Jews into the sea, or will they once again cleanse Lebanon with the call of Beirut?
Think, if there is anything ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Shryon

The decision is obvious that Israel's flights in Lebanese airspace should be blocked.
For example, the recreation of the Lebanese Air Force and / or Air Defense.
But this is a political issue for the supply of weapons and financial at whose expense.
But while Israel rattles its arms and demonstrates its tenacity, the plus sign for something like arming Lebanon becomes more.

In this scenario, what will Israel choose? Will he watch calmly as Islamic terrorists in Lebanon implement their plans to destroy the "Zionist entity" and dump Jews into the sea, or will they once again cleanse Lebanon with the call of Beirut?
Think, if there is anything ...

Of course, you need to think about how to limit Israel's stubbornness, violation of the airspace of one country in order to strike at a third, thereby supporting the terrorists.

For the Israeli Air Force, a threat must be created when Lebanese airspace is violated. No need to distort how you love the Jews, to limit the violation of Lebanese airspace, this is not the same as "throwing Israel into the sea."

Now the situation in the world is changing, most likely they will not turn a blind eye to Israel's permissiveness as it was before.

I expect from you a stubborn comment that who will stop Israel, he does what he wants and no one decides to him)

Well, times are changing ...

[Shryon]

Quote: Pandiurin

No need to distort how you love the Jews, to limit the violation of Lebanese airspace, this is not the same as "throwing Israel into the sea."

You ask your friends, Islamist terrorists. Obviously, the Ayatollahs of Iran and the Lebanese party of Allah (Hezbollah) think differently and direct any of their reinforcements and weapons against Israel, since their main fanatical goal is the destruction of Israel, which has not been canceled. For some reason, the Israelis do not fly over neighboring Egypt and Jordan, with which peace was made, although technically they could well, but there is no need, since now they do not have the same threat as the threat emanating from Iran and Lebanon.

Quote: Pandiurin

who stops Israel, he does what he wants and no one decides to him

It is obvious that Russia alone is not in a position to stop Israel, that is, to stop the IDF's deterrent operations against Iran.
Suppose Russia reached an agreement with the United States and stopped Israel. Then the Iranian proxies, Hezbollah, the IRGC, etc. will strengthen in Syria, near the border of Israel, as in Lebanon, and will accumulate even more weapons and then give Israel from Lebanon and Syria. Naturally, in response, Israel will erase Lebanon and Syria together, and a major Middle East war will begin with unpredictable consequences. Do you need it?
Here (in the Middle East) and without it, a powder keg can burst at any moment. Why to climb into this scorching heat of Russia, I do not understand.

PS. and learn Russian "love" if you are Russian, otherwise you will not even reach the senior level)

[Zug]

You are illegally using the territories of neighboring states to solve your problems in the security of Israel itself. That is how any aggression can be justified. Some time ago something similar happened with the USSR.

[Shryon]

Quote: Zug

You are illegally using the territories of neighboring states

Can you give more details on what illegal means? What law do you rely on, your Russian one?

[TermNachTer]

Israel is very brave, sitting under a mattress roof))) I would like to see what will happen when there is no roof))))

[free_flier]

For now, the state of Israel is becoming more like terrorists.

[timokhin-aa]

And you try to negotiate. With Egypt and Jordan it worked out, with Assad, if not for the United States, it would have worked out too.
You collaborated with Iran in secret under Khomeini.

Stop building yourself out of yourself there, in Israel.

[Shryon]

And you try to negotiate

There were negotiations with Assad in 2011, do not be shy on Google. By the way, the United States also sat down on these negotiations. Bibi offered part of the Golan Heights for signing a peace treaty, but Assad refused.
Who else do you propose to negotiate with? With the Iranian ayatollahs whose law stipulates the destruction of Israel and the construction of a great Shiite Caliphate?
Maybe with terrorists from the Islamic Party of Allah (Hezbollah)?

[timokhin-aa]

Bibi offered part of the Golan Heights for signing a peace treaty, but Assad refused.

And you so proud got up and left. If it were not for the war in Syria, they would have already decided on the Golan with Assad. And so he seems to be untouchable.

Who else do you propose to negotiate with? With the Iranian ayatollahs whose law stipulates the destruction of Israel and the construction of a great Shiite Caliphate?

Dude, take it easy. You never know what is written there. These guys, of course, want power in the region, but they need you as a scarecrow and really need you - without you, the Arabs will send them away immediately. So the destruction of Israel = all Arabs are against Iran, and they cannot but understand this.
Khameneni is a Jew himself, if that. It's just that the authorities hide

You are making a catastrophic mistake in Israel. Your army is now, against the background of soldiers of 73rd year (well, or 82nd) ​​- just garbage. Society as a whole is weaker than it was then.
Your patron of the United States is slowly slipping into the hole. And Muslims there are already annealing in Congress, if you don't know, that is, Muslim women.

Your neighbors are now at the bottom. They fell to a level below which it is almost impossible to fall.
And you think that it will always be so. But it won't always be that way. Soon, by historical standards, the neighbors will begin to rise.
And you are already in decline.
At some point, the trends will intersect.
And by this time you would be better off not having fundamental conflicts with the ummah.
They don't even have to reach your level of development, a tactical model of the use of troops that can simply sweep you away, even if you use nuclear weapons, a guy like me will write in a month - and based on the Arab mentality. Until the level of economic development at which it can be introduced into practice, the same Syria for about twenty years, if it is not heavily bombed. There would be a desire.

Sooner or you end there. So negotiate while you have time. I wish you well, dude.

[Shryon]

Quote: timokhin-aa

but they need you like a scarecrow and they really need you

Of course, this is the only bond that unites the Muslim world.

Quote: timokhin-aa

You are making a catastrophic mistake in Israel. Your army is now, against the background of soldiers of 73rd year (well, or 82nd) ​​- just garbage. Society as a whole is weaker than it was then.

How do you know? Have you been to the IDF or Israel recently? It's nonsense ...

Quote: timokhin-aa

And you are already in decline.

The economy is developing rapidly, already a GDP of $ 40000 per person, the population is also growing rapidly. Technology also does not stand still. Don't confuse it with Russia

Quote: timokhin-aa

tactical model of the use of troops, which can simply sweep you away

Did you skip the whole story at school? I have not heard how simultaneously five countries with millions of armies attacked the newly emerged Israel with a total population of 600 thousand. Then they attacked again and again, from three sides, with hundreds of tanks, aircraft and other equipment. Did it help? Now all this Soviet-Arab technology is in our museums, rusting.

Quote: timokhin-aa

Sooner or you end there.

For more than 70 years, the same mantra has been sung. And Israel still lives and flourishes.

[timokhin-aa]

How do you know? Have you been to the IDF or Israel recently? It's nonsense ...

Closely communicated with those who could compare. For example, their soldiers from the 82nd with those who were during the last Lebanese war. You remember, by the way, the result of it is a very big contrast to what happened before. You are not the same.

The economy is developing rapidly, already a GDP of $ 40000 per person, the population is also growing rapidly. Technology also does not stand still. Don't confuse it with Russia

And you can't figure it out with Hezbollah (!!!!!!). Technology and GDP cannot fight. You cannot fight anymore. It is pure decay.

Did you skip the whole story at school? I have not heard how simultaneously five countries with millions of armies attacked the newly emerged Israel with a total population of 600 thousand. Then they attacked again and again, from three sides, with hundreds of tanks, aircraft and other equipment. Did it help? Now all this Soviet-Arab technology is in our museums, rusting.

Do you know why? Because the Arabs, who are still essentially medieval nomads in mentality, tried to get into the European organizational and staff structure, and fight like white people, incl. in terms of operas. arts.
Being unsuitable for this in principle, since they are at a lower level of social development.
At the same time, you forget on what thin nozzle your country hung in the same 73rd - by a miracle you rebounded, didn't you? Despite the unsuitability of the Arabs.

But it was not in vain that I hinted to you that there are other options besides those that you encountered.

And one day you will get to know them.

For more than 70 years, the same mantra has been sung. And Israel still lives and flourishes.

I hope you haven't thrown away your Russian passport.

[Shryon]

Quote: timokhin-aa

last Lebanon war. You remember, by the way, the result of it is a very big contrast to what happened before.

What is wrong with the results? For a month Lebanon was so plowed up that it then recovered for many years. The Hezes still don’t show their nose and are scurrying through the cracks. If then the resolutions had not stopped, they would have once again reached Beirut. And to blame the soldier for the miscalculations is the last thing. It was necessary to conduct exercises in a systematic manner, to do normal planning and logistics. 15 years have passed, and a lot has been taken into account and corrected.

Quote: timokhin-aa

And with Hezbollah (!!!!!!) you can't figure it out

This is from the same opera, like, the Soviet Union could not figure it out even with the mujahideen in Afghanistan. You yourself understand how to fight with the local population ... to arrange genocide is not for us

[timokhin-aa]

Not so with the results. You can remember the 80s - the evil USSR, and Israeli tanks in Beirut.
And then - no USSR, complete political freedom of action, and ...

If this is not a rollback, then what is it? The USSR in Afghanistan showed its own level of degradation.

[klimalekc]

Well, apparently it is better to negotiate with the enemies than to fight. Russia sat down at the negotiating table with the Taliban and agreed.

[Shryon]

Quote: klimalekc

Russia sat down at the negotiating table with the Taliban and agreed.

Directly agreed that the army units were deployed to the border and conduct exercises, and the civilian was evacuated into the depths of Tajikistan.
Besides, does the Taliban set as their main goal the destruction of Russia as a state?

[klimalekc]

Since the Taliban are not aiming at destroying Russia, it means they have agreed on something. And the exercises are arranged to show what the Taliban will face in case of violation of the agreements. So negotiating is always better than fighting.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Pandiurin

For example, the recreation of the Lebanese Air Force and / or Air Defense.

Syria in Lebanon already had air defense - unprecedented in soybean density and saturation with air defense systems.
Operation Artsav-19 (Medvedka 19) in 1982, it is known how it ended - the complete defeat of the Syrian air defense forces in Lebanon.

Syrian radars and launchers were destroyed from a distance of 60-80 km, exceeding the range of Syrian medium-range anti-aircraft missiles. Syrian air defense system in Lebanon was almost completely destroyed

Any air defense can be "overloaded" if you have the time and the necessary forces.

[bk316]

Any air defense can be "overloaded" if you have the time and the necessary forces

This is quite obvious.
It is even more obvious that air defense alone cannot win a war ...
Israel can be calm as long as the war is not being waged on its soil, even Aron is ready to sacrifice pilots.
But this is all the same for the time being, you cannot fight for tens of years without stopping, someday a real response will arrive. And all of Israel can be surpassed with a running start ...

[free_flier]

With the advent of air defense systems covering Israeli territory, the issue of depletion of the Air Force flight personnel can be resolved very quickly.

[Silhouette]

The problem of Israeli air strikes on Syria in these conditions can be solved only by retaliatory strikes on airfields from which the planes took off. And it is better if it is done with hypersound.

[surok1]

Don't confuse our interests with those of the Arabs. Are you absolutely sure they are better than the Jews? Less fuss.

[tima_ga]

One option is to deliver Iskander to Damascus ... And then, when Israel, knowing about the likelihood of inflicting a tangible response to its military targets, will think three times before provoking it. Damascus cannot begin a normal economic recovery until its territory is secured. Then not only Israelis, but also Turks will think three times. Although, of course, the question is much more complicated than it seems at first glance.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: PiK

We, for our part, continue to adhere to this practice.
But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

[Peak]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

- nothing more to add ...

[aszzz888]

Peak
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Quote: Aaron Zawi
Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.



fool yes - nothing more to add ...

that's how it is. It's not for him to personally fly the plane, and then catch the rocket! And to rattle on the keyboard - he is a master! See my post below.

[indy424]

he is absolutely right. on the one hand, a good soldier knows what he is going for, and agrees to go for it. on the other hand, a good commander will not send this soldier to unnecessary risk.

[Anatoly 288]

Remember the old Soviet film phrase ...

[Peak]

Quote: Anatoly 288

Remember the old Soviet film phrase ... Uncle Petya are you?

I think it's fair, with the only difference that he is not "Uncle Petya", but "Uncle Aaron".

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: H0ttabych

When your air force shot down our plane, was it good for you?
No need to be proud, otherwise your leaky "iron dome" will not help

FAQ? I am not very excited by the hypocritical howls of those who for years have called to shoot down Israeli planes, and then suddenly they were concerned about their safety and the lives of our pilots. To believe it.
But you sir, just goebbels. The Russian plane was shot down by the Syrian air defense because of the monstrous work of your ground services at the Khmeimim airfield. So all that hysteria in the Russian media was raised by your military to cover up their own miscalculations.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But you sir, just goebbels.

when will you get tired of poking Hitler and Goebbels into all the holes? They are of course finished creatures, but the question is - why did they hate you so much? Is it really since the time of the crucifixion of Christ? Probably for something else, here in Russia I am interested in YOUR contribution to the collapse of My Empire in 1917, because only you introduced such as the terror of the tsarist power, so you backfired
And it was you who invented communism solely to achieve your goals, and the terror from Yashka Sverdlov (Jew) and Lev Trotsky (Jew) - there is a fact, but who was at the helm of the revolution is known to everyone there 70% entirely Jews and now we will count how many tons of blood did you shed in 17-20? You are the ones who sent and persuaded to pour it

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But you sir, just goebbels.

when will you get tired of poking Hitler and Goebbels into all the holes? They are of course finished creatures, but the question is - why did they hate you so much? Is it really since the time of the crucifixion of Christ? Probably for something else, here in Russia I am interested in YOUR contribution to the collapse of My Empire in 1917, because only you introduced such as the terror of the tsarist power, so you backfired
And it was you who invented communism solely to achieve your goals, and the terror from Yashka Sverdlov (Jew) and Lev Trotsky (Jew) - there is a fact, but who was at the helm of the revolution is known to everyone there 70% entirely Jews and now we will count how many tons of blood did you shed in 17-20? You are the ones who sent and persuaded to pour it

Where do you delusional come from?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where do you delusional come from?

This is what you take from all the cracks around the world, but on the issue of 17 years and thousands of tons of blood under the leadership and charter of the Jews have something to say? Who were these people and what was their role in the year 17 - Ulyanov, Trotsky Bukharin Zinoviev

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where do you delusional come from?

This is what you take from all the cracks around the world, but on the issue of 17 years and thousands of tons of blood under the leadership and charter of the Jews have something to say? Who were these people and what was their role in the year 17 - Ulyanov, Trotsky Bukharin Zinoviev

Ulyanov and Bukharin? You would be a delusional at least learn how to use the Internet.
https://news.rambler.ru/other/37478208-natsionalnyy-sostav-pervogo-bolshevistskogo-pravitelstva-kakim-on-byl/

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

You would be a delusional at least learn how to use the Internet.

it was after such statements that the fascists appeared! go on and get new Goebbels and Hitlers both in the Middle East and in the European world, I personally treat the Jews neutral, BUT you need to recognize what you have done in the past and where such anger towards you comes from - sometimes you have to dig inside yourself, this applies to everyone, BUT and to you as well

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for.

What unsurpassed valor and courage, so selflessly to dispose of other people's lives. Yes, you are a hero!

[Prisoner]

Our air defense sofas do not knock down, that is where the origins of heroism.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Captive

Our air defense sofas do not knock down, that is where the origins of heroism.

And also, probably, in the fact that he is sure: Israeli women are still giving birth.

[aszzz888]

Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
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Quote: Aaron Zawi
Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for.

What unsurpassed valor and courage, so selflessly to dispose of other people's lives. Yes, you are a hero!

I also invited him to express all this brave bravado of his to the families of the victims (I hope there will be no such thing, BUT WHO KNOWS HIM! Apparently they will warmly thank him for this))!

[burigaz2010]

Aaron, do not you think that in an effort to defend yourself you are a little overwhelmed!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: burigaz2010

you are a little bit bulky!

So they sat in the bar too long?

[Dart]

Girls do not scramble, they will hyster ...

[Moskovit]

It's good to dispose of other people's lives like that. I think their parents, wives, children have a different opinion.

[burigaz2010]

You are tolerated, for now, but if the patient runs out of tady, call me!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

They know what they are risking their lives for.

In the name of what? In the name of violations of international law ? I.e ,committing crimes ?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die.

Why don't you feel sorry for them? These are young guys, in whose training huge funds have been invested.

[Mikhail3]

It's funny. This Jew is much more Russian than you.

[aszzz888]

Mountain shooter (Eugene)
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Quote: Aaron Zawi
Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die.

Why don't you feel sorry for them? These are young guys, in whose training huge funds have been invested.

Why should he feel sorry for them! It is not he who will return to the promised land later in an unknown form! And whether there will be this very view, or maybe there is nothing to fall on the land, it will go with steam.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Why don't you feel sorry for them? These are young guys, in whose training huge funds have been invested.

I feel sorry for each of our boys and girls.

[aszzz888]

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
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Quote: Mountain Shooter

Why don't you feel sorry for them? These are young guys, in whose training huge funds have been invested.

I feel sorry for each of our boys and girls.

very noticeable!

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
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Quote: PiK We, for our part, continue to adhere to this practice.
But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.
So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...
Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense calculations and modern technical will only benefit our Air Force.

[rocket757]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force

And how this will benefit in terms of training / training for the calculations of the air defense system, there is no doubt.
A stick always has two ends ... although, there is also a multi-pointed club.

[aszzz888]

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
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Quote: PiK


We, for our part, continue to adhere to this practice.
But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

You are here, on VO, swagger - all the more, you will not have to die, you are rattling on the keyboard here, and you must admit it is not the same thing. And then tell your bravado to the families of the fallen flyers! I suppose they will listen to you with inexhaustible interest)), and with a feeling of gratitude)) that their relatives died for the murky interests of Israel.

[bar]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

Definitely. Your Air Force will greatly strengthen its defense of natural selection and knocking out inept pilots. Only the seasoned aces will remain, who will defeat everyone. The only question is - will there be many of them?

[aszzz888]

bar(-)
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Quote: Aaron Zawi
In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

Definitely. Your Air Force will greatly strengthen its defense of natural selection and knocking out inept pilots. Only the seasoned aces will remain, who will defeat everyone. The only question is - will there be many of them?

And it him necessary? It is convenient for him on the sofa to talk about the death of someone.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

I agree. Considering that it is possible to completely stop the flights of Israeli aircraft from the territory of Syria, simply by shooting down planes on takeoff, it should turn out to be interesting. Without aviation, the Israeli ground forces will be forced to face the Syrians, who now do not at all look like the Arabs of the six-day war ...
And, yes, there is the "Iron Dome"! How does this thing work against modern Russian missiles launched by professionals from industrial launchers? Moreover, there will be no intelligence data that indicate the time and place of launching the missiles in a week. Very, very curious.

[Professor]

Quote: Mikhail3

I agree. Considering that it is possible to completely stop the flights of Israeli aircraft from the territory of Syria, simply by shooting down planes on takeoff, it should turn out to be interesting.

You are, of course, an air defense officer. However, you probably missed the lecture on the curvature of the earth's surface and you simply were not taught history. More precisely taught, but everything. Read "Artsav-19"

Quote: Mikhail3

Without aviation, the Israeli ground forces will be forced to face the Syrians, who now do not at all look like Arabs during the six-day war ...

This is true. Now this is not an army, but a bunch of barefoot ragamuffins making slippers at the earliest opportunity.

Quote: Mikhail3

And, yes, there is the "Iron Dome"! How does this thing work against modern Russian missiles launched by professionals from industrial launchers?

Yes. It is against such missiles that the complex is much more effective than against those made on the knee.

Quote: Mikhail3

Moreover, there will be no intelligence data that indicate the time and place of launching the missiles in a week.

And where do you think the Israeli intelligence will go? Will he go to a binge?

Quote: Mikhail3

Very, very curious.

It is curious to scratch with your tongue because none of your fantasies will come true. Your military hasn't gone mad yet.

[NDR-791]

Quote: professor

Yes. It is against such missiles that the complex is much more effective than against those made on the knee.

Professor, thank you so much for the information !!! On behalf of the General Staff, I declare gratitude in the form of a plus. I think who needs your information will be used

[Professor]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: professor

Yes. It is against such missiles that the complex is much more effective than against those made on the knee.

Professor, thank you so much for the information !!! On behalf of the General Staff, I declare gratitude in the form of a plus. I think who needs your information will be used

Before my comment, your General Staff did not know the materiel?

[NDR-791]

Quote: professor

Before my comment, your General Staff did not know the materiel?

Mine didn't know. I thought that the "dome" was just from homemade products in the first place. And it is "that's how it is, Mikhalych" (c)

[Mikhail3]

I, of course, an air defense officer) Suddenly.
And yes, the answer on the net sounds awfully cool). Let's see how everything will look in the sky ...
By the way, last time the "barefoot ragamuffins" crushed the Jews outright, and did not throw them into the sea just because the main caliber of the American fleet came into action. How will it be this time? We will see...

[Professor]

Quote: Mikhail3

By the way, last time the "barefoot ragamuffins" crushed the Jews outright, and did not throw them into the sea just because the main caliber of the American fleet came into action. How will it be this time? We will see...

Was it in the past 1948, 1967, 1973 or 1982?

[Mikhail3]

Hehe ... Yes, Israel exists because the American fleet is supporting you in time. As soon as the aforementioned fleet is at least one day or two late, you're finished. And neither armed women, nor the Galil rifle, which is "better than AK", which is not yet adopted, nor everything else, including nuclear weapons, will save you. Different countries have different destinies, including tragic ones, but Israel definitely has no future.

[Professor]

Quote: Mikhail3

Hehe ... Yes, Israel exists because the American fleet is supporting you in time.

is it 1948, 1967, 1973 or 1982?

[Heel]

nor the Galil rifle, which was not adopted for service, which is "better than the AK

this is enchanting ... she was removed from service in 2008 after 35 years of service,
and many of your other statements of the same quality ...

[DanG73]

Quote: Mikhail3

I, of course, an air defense officer) Suddenly.
And yes, the answer on the net sounds awfully cool). Let's see how everything will look in the sky ...
By the way, last time the "barefoot ragamuffins" crushed the Jews outright, and did not throw them into the sea just because the main caliber of the American fleet came into action. How will it be this time? We will see...

Yes ... With history, my friend, yours is absolutely bad. This is what the exam brings

[Mikhail3]

Yes. I have problems with this)

[Mikhail3]

When Stalin created Israel, he knew that he was giving the East a unique chance. Israel was to become the backbone of the agglomerate of socialist Arab countries, giving the tribes there the intelligence to govern and an alliance for security. Now the East would be a powerful, peaceful and happy territory, where few would ask, and in which country are we, strictly speaking?
The problem was that the Jews wanted neither peace, nor prosperity, nor peaceful labor. The Jews wanted to kill. Get the same opportunity to recoup someone at last. The Arabs, who have long passed the period of aggressive kingdoms, when they destroyed the chance of their civilization to flourish with unrestrained cruelty and stupidity, and turned into completely peaceful tribes, retaining only bandit inclinations from militancy, fit perfectly.
So the poor Jews collected a few million dollars from their capitalists and started huge farms that had everything that the Arabs did not have. They didn't have to wait long) Arabs began to raid and rob. A seed of hatred and joyful revenge has sprung up. Hooray! Objects appeared in abundance for unpunished and, as it were, "justified" murders, enjoying revenge on the whole world ... what have the Arabs got to do with it? Yes, nothing to do with. They turned up under the arm. We raised money a couple more times, now buying weapons ...
Having betrayed Stalin, betraying the unique chance of the whole East, what future did the Jews have in store for themselves? For the sake of pleasure, to kill someone all the same ...

[Silhouette]

The creation of Israel was the greatest mistake of the 20th century ..... If not a crime.

[bobwings]

Imagine in what horror you would have lived if Israel had not been created.
A Jewish neighbor, a Jewish teacher at a school, and a Jewish doctor in a clinic, checks the prostate ...

[Mikhail3]

And now it’s not so?) And nothing, we live - we work. We are friends with the Jews ...

[timokhin-aa]

So what? Somehow I even deprived one Jewish woman of her virginity. And I live quite well

[Silhouette]

Since childhood, I have many friends - Jews, from the workers of the "Selhozdetal" plant, neighbors are Jews, very good people, the class teacher is Jewish, a wonderful person. But they had nothing to do with Israel and have nothing to do with it. A classmate foolishly left for Israel and baptized her son born there into the Orthodox faith. So it's not that simple. Not all Jews are Zionists, intoxicated by the pseudo-historical nonsense of their exclusiveness, on the basis of which Israel was created.

[bobwings]

What is the connection between exclusivity and the creation of the only state in the world where Jews feel at home. Where, by the way, no one will call them Jews ...
Do the French have France and the Russians have Russia because of their exclusivity?

[Silhouette]

1. The French have France as a result of the natural historical process of state development, and not as a result of dubious decisions of international organizations and political intrigues.
2. The Russians do not have their own state. Russia is a federation of different peoples; Russians do not have a Russian territory or a Russian republic.
3. Israel is an artificially created state. Golem. Most of the Jews live outside Israel and consider the states where they were born and raised as their "home". And they will never move to "their home".
4. There are many nations in the world that do not have their own statehood - so what? ... To start producing states for them as for Jews?
5. In Israel, segregation and caste exist to the same extent as in other states. And insults on ethnic grounds can be run into just as easily as in any other country.

[bobwings]

1. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq - examples of countries created as a result of decisions of international organizations, without historical justification. Israel is the reconstituted nation state of the Jewish people, within its historical boundaries. It is historical, substantiated by unambiguous historical (not mythological) written sources, confirmed by archaeological finds throughout the country.
2. Russia is the national hearth of the Russian people, the rest of the peoples, with their territory, were included in Russia by centuries of conquests or treaties.
Israel is the national hearth of the Jewish people.
3. Israel is a state revived within its historical borders, where almost half of the Jewish people live, and its Jewish population continues to grow both due to its high birth rate and due to constant repatriation. In the next 50 years, the vast majority of Jews will live in Israel due to the intensification of assimilation / mixed marriages (see USA and Russia as an example).
For example, most Armenians do not live in Armenia either.
4. Jews are not an example, they had their own statehood for about 1000 years in ancient times and 73 years now.
5. A Jew cannot run into an insult on ethnic grounds in Israel, and if so, the offender will be punished. You can run into insults on the Community basis. But there is a huge difference between this and anti-Semitism.

[Silhouette]

Quote: bobwings

It is historical, substantiated by unambiguous historical (not mythological) written sources, confirmed by archaeological finds throughout the country.

I advise you to read Shlomo Zanda "Who and How Invented the Jewish People." Free yourself from illusions.

[bobwings]

If you are so interested in Jews, Israel and Synonism, start with Joseph Flavius, Pinsker, Jabotinsky and Ben Gurion, and then smoothly move on to radical leftists - communists like Sand ... so for a change.
In general, for a theoretical substantiation of your anti-Semitism, stop at the Black Hundred delirium, like the protocols. The soul will be calmer.

[Revival]

"So the poor Jews collected a few million dollars from their capitalists and started huge farms, which had everything that the Arabs did not have. They did not have to wait long.) The Arabs began to raid, plunder."

What about your logic !?
The Jews "criminally" built, raised, and the Arabs "innocently" began to rob only ??

And the type of Jews "criminals" that began to react to this, defending themselves from "innocent" robberies?

Something like: "there was no rape, since it was she herself who walked in a short skirt, so she is to blame"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for.

The war is going on, they are bombing, shooting, and I still don’t understand, but for what you are fighting and are dying.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for.

The war is going on, they are bombing, shooting, and I still don’t understand, but for what you are fighting and are dying.

That you would have no reason to reproach the Jews that they have taken all the warm places in Estonia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andreykolesov123

That you would have no reason to reproach the Jews that they have taken all the warm places in Estonia.

Well, where can I go without you.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, where can I go without you.

And so Israel pulls off a part of the Jews and you suffer less from the yoke of the Jewish.

[Dart]

I would not suffer when you all get ready to go home ... as they say, a suitcase-station .... and this is where it all goes!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andreykolesov123

And so Israel pulls off a part of the Jews and you suffer less from the yoke of the Jewish.

So all the time I was and is for the formation of the Zionist (from Mount Zion) state. And it was hard for you without the state.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

So all the time I was and is for the formation of the Zionist (from Mount Zion) state. And it was hard for you without the state.

The Estonians have had enough of you too, but you will not be able to pack your suitcases back to your homeland in Russia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andreykolesov123

The Estonians have had enough of you too, but you will not be able to pack your suitcases back to your homeland in Russia.

I won't get it, children and grandchildren are here.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

I won't get it, children and grandchildren are here.

Well, you see what the phenomenon is. Estonians frankly do not like you, they do not give you citizenship, but you are afraid to openly oppose them, so your anger is converted into your usual path - against Jews, it is quite safe for you.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Well, you see what the phenomenon is. Estonians frankly don't like you, they don't give you citizenship,

The time that you are writing about is a thing of the past long ago.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: andreykolesov123

Well, you see what the phenomenon is. Estonians frankly don't like you, they don't give you citizenship,

The time that you are writing about is a thing of the past long ago.

Ie the Estonian nationalist is now a friend and brother to the Russian?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Ie the Estonian nationalist is now a friend and brother to the Russian?

If you take the leader of the Estonian Conservative People's Party (EKRE) Martin Helme, then I am in favor.

[free_flier]

They have become an exceptional nation ...
Took an example from Adolfik, he showed by their example how living space is conquered.

[chenia]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

Yes, and training slightly Syrian air defense with professional Israeli pilots on modern technology,

Quote: Aron Zaavi

will only benefit

our air defense.
And so to everyone's delight.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for.

Until your flyers strike at the Russians in Syria, our air defenses will not shoot them down, and if this happens, then there are no options, your flyers will be shot down and their death will be on the conscience of the Israeli leadership. Is it worth risking your life in the name of Naphthalene?

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

The Syrian air defense calculations are little by little too filling their hand, and someday your provocateurs will have to face them quite realistically, since the Syrian air defense works in the reflection mode, but not in the attack mode. It is you who are acting in violation of international law, striking the territory of a neighboring state, not the Syrians.

[bk316]

Even I somehow don't want Israeli pilots to turn into mincemeat.
But for some reason Aaron is seen to have a different opinion.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: PiK

While only the means of destruction are lost, not their carriers ..

I do not think they will shoot down the Israelis over foreign territory, and they practically do not enter Syrian space.

[Peak]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

I don't think they will shoot down the Israelis over foreign territory

We ,"not to think"we can do anything, but what will actually be" thought up "by others in" high headquarters and offices "proceeding from the expediency of such actions.

In the meantime, the "bell" for Israel has rung, and how quickly the second and third final ones will ring -

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: PiK

We, "not to think" can do anything

I still prefer to think. And I think that neither the Syrians, let alone us, need a war with Israel.
In addition, you used the word "BYE", that is, assuming that in the future there will be actions to shoot down Israeli planes, and now you have moved to high offices.

[Peak]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

I think that neither the Syrians, let alone us, need a war with Israel.

Who is talking about "war"?
Israel will crumble, swallow and crawl away, realizing that it has gone too far, ignoring our persistent warnings and admonitions

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: PiK

we can do anything, but what will actually be "thought up" by others in "high headquarters and offices" proceeding from the expediency of such actions.

In the meantime, the "bell" for Israel has rung, and how quickly the second and third final ones will ring -

The men read you and admired you. How worried about the health of our pilots and the safety of our aircraft. Amazing.

[Peak]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The men read you and admired you. How worried about the health of our pilots and the safety of our aircraft. Amazing.

we just don't want war. Even a hint of her ...

Therefore, it is better to change your bravado for an understanding of what you are asked for.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: PiK

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The men read you and admired you. How worried about the health of our pilots and the safety of our aircraft. Amazing.

we just don't want war. Even a hint of her ...

Therefore, it is better to change your bravado for an understanding of what you are asked for.

C'mon. Licimerie of those who have been calling for years to shoot down Israeli planes and kill our military is off scale. Your kindness is close to the proverb "The wolf took pity on the mare, left his tail and mane."

[aszzz888]

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
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Quote: PiK
we can do anything, but what will actually be "thought up" by others in "high headquarters and offices" proceeding from the expediency of such actions.

In the meantime, the "bell" for Israel has rung, and how quickly the second and third final will ring - request

The men read you and admired you. How worried about the health of our pilots and the safety of our aircraft. Awesome.

just like you "worry")). - Debt payment is beautiful -.

[bar]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

I don't think they will shoot down the Israelis over foreign territory

Everything there is very cramped and conditional. Suddenly, the calculation of the air defense will be slightly mistaken, or the plane chosen by God will not cross the border half a lump. The Turks shot down our plane ...

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

So the Syrian air defense does not need to enter foreign territory, and missiles can fly over foreign territory, right? Even if some airplane falls on someone else's territory, then this case is easy to explain, he flew over someone else's territory.

[Anatoly 288]

The Jews are rushing, here one comrade spoke out how well Israel lives and how much he has achieved ... think, you have something to lose

[Stone]

6 years already such declarations with promises to shoot down the carriers. A little more, a little more ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Steen

6 years already such declarations with promises to shoot down the carriers. A little more, a little more ...

"And Vaska listens, but eats"

[And Us Rat]

Quote: PiK

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

Not "yet" but "since then."
At the beginning of this "Marlezon ballet", the Syrian air defense tried to shoot at the carriers. With a negative result, that is, they did not shoot down anything, but they lost the air defense missile system and the air defense missile system from return fire. In the first six months of Israeli attacks, Syria lost a dozen air defenses. And on the night when they managed to knock out the Israeli F-16 (in 2018), the Syrian air defense system south of Damascus ceased to exist.
Since then, they have not fired at the carriers, there are no bad ones.

[well]

You can stomp your feet and shake your fists for a long time, but nothing will change. Israel has bombed Syria and will continue to bomb. And the fact that they shot down a couple of Drones will not change the situation.
Until at least one plane is shot down, all threats to Israel are empty words.

[Olddetractor]

What is incomprehensible here? The Syrian rule, and the Russian shoot down.

[Civil]

In my understanding, the answer is if "Patsir-S and Buk m2 shot down 7 out of 8 Israeli planes with Russian missiles that were trying to strike at Aleppo with missiles."

[sidoroff]

who cares . claimed to have shot down missiles - who prevents them from claiming that they shot down a dozen
F 35. they are invisible. therefore, they are not visible in the photo. naked air defense dress in a new way.
most importantly, keep children away from monitors.

[Alex777]

Aaron was scolded by everyone for disposing of the lives of the pilots.
Are you taking charge of the lives of our military?
Netanyahu kept promises. So there were no big conflicts.
Since there is an aggravation, it means that the new Prime Minister behaves differently.
But no one in Russia needs a war with Israel.
Where did the Palestinians get rockets to fire at Israel? From Iran.
Have you ever been to Israel? Do you have friends there?
If I am not mistaken, approximately 15% of the population are formerly ours.
There are few places where the population treats Russia as well as in Israel.
And the Immortal Regiment is passing there. But in Iran it does not work and never will.
I hope a compromise will be found and the problems will be settled.

[ultra]

You went too far about good attitudes. Google polls about attitudes towards Russia, Israel is in the top three in terms of negative attitudes towards our country.

[Alex777]

I have been to Israel personally and more than once.
I visited biblical places. Interesting.
And there were many other places. I lived in the States for 9 years.
I don't need to google.
I compare my impressions.
ZY And yet, I have nothing to do with Jews.
Orthodox, from the Cossacks of the North Caucasus.
ZYY Israel officially supports our memory of the Second World War.

[ultra]

Personal feelings are like visiting Moscow and projecting it onto the whole of Russia.

[Alex777]

And what is "googling" compared to a personal feeling?
Googling the press, which lost its independence long ago.

[ultra]

Precisely, personal feelings are like a blind man holding an elephant by the tail and drawing a conclusion about its appearance.

[ultra]

[Alex777]

Victory Day on May 9 has become a public holiday in Israel.
Thanks to the adoption of the law, May 9 in Israel will be celebrated with a solemn meeting of the Knesset, as well as a state ceremony and a procession in Jerusalem. Schools and army timetables will allocate time to study the theme of Victory.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alex777

I have been to Israel personally and more than once.
I visited biblical places. Interesting.
And there were many other places. I lived in the States for 9 years.
I don't need to google.
I compare my impressions.
ZY And yet, I have nothing to do with Jews.
Orthodox, from the Cossacks of the North Caucasus.
ZYY Israel officially supports our memory of the Second World War.

It's funny. And how does "our memory of the Second World War" correlate with Israel's policy in the Middle East? It's about that.

[Alex777]

Quote: Doliva63

And how does "our memory of the Second World War" correlate with Israel's policy in the Middle East?

Why are you comparing "warm" and "soft"?
I have spoken this very carefully.
Do not understand at all what you are doing?

It's about that.

What about it? It was about the attitude of the Israelis towards Russia. In this context, I gave an example of a public holiday in Israel.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: Alex777

I have been to Israel personally and more than once.
I visited biblical places. Interesting.
And there were many other places. I lived in the States for 9 years.
I don't need to google.
I compare my impressions.
ZY And yet, I have nothing to do with Jews.
Orthodox, from the Cossacks of the North Caucasus.
ZYY Israel officially supports our memory of the Second World War.

It's funny. And how does "our memory of the Second World War" correlate with Israel's policy in the Middle East? It's about that.

In Syria, the Nazis are legal - they have seats in parliament, their own combat battalions, fighting on the side of Assad. Therefore, Israel's policy is quite adequate to itself, both in relation to the country that legalized the Nazis and to the Palestinians, the founder of whose national movement was one of the founders of the SS Hajar division.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Doliva63

And how does "our memory of the Second World War" correlate with Israel's policy in the Middle East?

How does the weight of a 10-ruble coin correlate with the color of dandelions in August?
The answer is no way. These are two things that are not logically related to each other.

[Dart]

You have been a cosmopolitan for a long time ...

[free_flier]

As soon as he forgets about the correct position on the Second World War, he should forget about the Holocaust ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ultra

Google polls

That is, polls are the ultimate truth, the truth is infallible? Is it custom-made?
And what about all the polls, or only those whose results are right for you?

[ultra]

So, in addition to polls, I used to read Jewish Russian-language forums, so my opinion is not only based on polls.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alex777

Netanyahu kept promises. So there were no big conflicts.
Since there is an aggravation, it means that the new Prime Minister behaves differently.
But no one in Russia needs a war with Israel.

I didn't want to write at all because all posts from the category "armor is strong and our tanks are fast."
My vision of what is happening is related to the financial and economic situation in Russia.
The military-industrial complex is a channel for receiving currency and air defense systems are an important part.
The Israeli Air Force (according to foreign media) has been hitting Hezbollah and Ksir targets in Syria since 2013, and the air defense system consisting of Russian weapons "shoots down" missiles, but not carriers, and at the same time satellite images show that the targets have been destroyed.
The world is watching and drawing conclusions. Which? That the Russian systems, to put it mildly, are not worth the money they ask for.
Excuses "by these Syrian operators" or the curvature of the earth? "The systems did not work, but were only in observation mode" or "the systems had not yet been put on alert" for the buyers of air defense systems, such as "Pantsir" or the S-300, they no longer work, they see that the IDF is destroying those objects that are outlined.
Everything is calculated that Israel will stop attacking and the media, in the same vein, will continue to propagate that Israel is not able to pass through the Russian air defense systems.
Well, if the S-300 works on planes, it will be destroyed.
And it will be a complete failure.

[Fungus]

Buyers understand that the problem is in the Syrian operators and so on. Not in Russian combat systems. Therefore, they buy Russian systems. Try to attack the Khmeimim airbase. Russian operators are sitting there.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fungus

Therefore, they buy Russian systems

I carefully read who and when, and how much, and what complexes were bought.

Quote: Fungus

Try to attack the Khmeimim airbase

No one is ever going to attack the Khmeimim airbase, just as missiles and their carriers are not attacked from this base.
They did not pay attention to the statement that, according to the TsPVS, the Pantsir-S and Buk-M2 anti-aircraft systems participated in repelling the Israeli aviation attack Syrian air defense.
The videoconferencing is not as involved in this.

[Fungus]

The head of the WTS said there is interest in the shell and with 400. We will soon find out what kind of country. Stop bombing Syria. And then you may be forgiven.

[Vitaly gusin]

I pay attention to who and when, and how much, and what complexes bought.
1 I have not received an ANSWER to my question

Quote: Fungus

Stop bombing Syria. And then you may be forgiven.

As soon as they stop building a bridgehead for the destruction of Israel in Syria, the bombing will stop on the same day.
Who, when and how will punish us?
If you think your cons are punishment, keep putting them.

[Alex777]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I carefully read who and when, and how much, and what complexes were bought.

Vitaly! You can find everything yourself if you wish.
Have you read about the purchase of the S-400 by Erdogan?
Or did you not read how the States were upset?
Although it would seem - why? They are afraid.
Or did India not buy the S-400 despite all the efforts of the States, CAATSA and other matters?
Let's get serious.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alex777

Vitaly! You can find everything yourself if you wish.

Well, of course I read it !!!!
I asked this question NOT YOU
I can even write how much Russia received
Turkey $ 2,7 billion
India $ 5,5 billion
You forgot Iran $ 800 million
For comparison, ONE transaction for the sale of the Israeli firm "Mobiline" was worth $ 16 billion

Quote: Alex777

Let's get serious.

Accept?

[Alex777]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

For comparison, ONE transaction for the sale of the Israeli firm "Mobiline" was worth $ 16 billion

Quote: Alex777
Let's get serious.

Accept?

Vitaly! You killed me!
What does the sale of air defense and Mobileine have to do with it?
Should I remember Gazprom and Rosatom now? I won't.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fungus

Russian operators are sitting there

I have a vague premonition that Russian operators will appear in the Syrian systems, this has already happened in the USSR.
God grant that I would be wrong.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I have a vague premonition that Russian operators will appear in the Syrian systems, this has already happened in the USSR.

How many of them returned home in a zinc crate?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: And Us Rat

How many of them returned home in a zinc crate?

And who will tell you this?

[Alex777]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And it will be a complete failure.

There is a reasonable grain in your reasoning.
But until a real collision, reasoning will remain reasoning.
For me, the most important thing is that the more countries Russia has with which it builds normal working relations, despite the contradictions, the better.
The States are well aware of this and will be glad of any opportunity to pit Russia against at least someone in order to weaken it in the conflict.
And our conflict is not in the national interests of Israel and Russia. Vice versa.
The stronger our relations are, the stronger the position of each of the countries in the world will be. IMHO.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alex777

The states are well aware of this and will be glad to any opportunity. play Russia against at least someone, in order to weaken it in a conflict.

I hope you understand that Israel is not a country that can be played off with someone.
Israel has only one goal
SECURITY OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE.

Quote: Alex777

And our conflict is not in the national interests of Israel and Russia. Vice versa.
The stronger our relations are, the stronger the position of each of the countries in the world will be. IMHO

Nothing to say

[ccsr]

Quote: Alex777

Have you ever been to Israel? Do you have friends there?
If I am not mistaken, approximately 15% of the population are formerly ours.

And interestingly, 90 percent of our former ardent Russophobes, and this is even noticeable in this forum if you carefully read their posts. By the way, the overwhelming majority of our former compatriots are on the side of Ukraine in its confrontation with Russia. Didn't your friends from Israel tell you this?

Quote: Alex777

There are few places where the population treats Russia as well as in Israel.

I wonder who told you this? I also communicate with those who live in Russia and have relatives in Israel, and they have a completely opposite idea of ​​the attitude of Israelis towards Russia. I'm not talking about the official Israeli propaganda - there you will not find anything good about Russia, this is the spirit in which the Israelis are brought up. However, even from their behavior on the VO forum, it is clear that they are still splashing saliva, although they left the former republics of the USSR thirty years ago, but their hatred of the Union automatically passed to Russia. Do you prefer not to notice?

[Alex777]

As Kedmi said: "My Motherland is a country for which I am ready to die. I am ready to die for Israel."
This is his choice and his right.
I have exactly the same attitude towards Russia.
The colleagues on the website that you mentioned also consider Israel to be their homeland. And for me, their defense of Israel is not a hostile position towards Russia.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alex777

And for me, their defense of Israel is not a hostile position towards Russia.

Five kopecks.
There is RussiaThere people Russia, and there is policy Russia.
Unfortunately, all three tracks are parallel.
AND DO NOT CROSS.

[Alex777]

Here I do not agree with you.

There is Russia, there is the people of Russia

I do not see the difference.

there is the people of Russia, and there is the policy of Russia.

My attitude to GDP in 23 years of close observation of its work has changed from denial to support.
And the progress in relations between Russia and Israel, to a large extent, is his merit.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alex777

I do not see the difference.

I will not enter into an argument and agree.

Quote: Alex777

My attitude to GDP in 22 years of close observation of its work has changed from denial to support.

Your opinion and you express it.
The big picture is viewed from afar
I have a rule.
I have no right not to discuss the countries where I do not live.
But I have my own opinion.

[Alex777]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

But I have my own opinion.

So here we are exactly our own opinion and exchange.
I can't write down why I have such an opinion in the end and how it develops with the receipt of various interesting information first-hand.
There is no time or place.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alex777

But I can't write down why I have such an opinion in the end.

Do not need.
This is your opinion and I respect him!
As you can imagine, I have no first-hand information.
But the Internet is open and you just need to be willing to read not gossip, but economic analyzes with figures and comments from leading world observers.

[Doliva63]

"My attitude towards GDP in 23 years of close observation of its work has changed from denial to support."
You haven't vaccinated for an hour? Got it

[Alex777]

Not only was he vaccinated at the end of March, but he also pushed everyone he could to this.
Of the 4 patients, among those whom I campaigned, 3 were vaccinated at my suggestion and everything worked out.
And one unvaccinated woman was so sick, a couple of weeks ago, that she had no doubts about the need for vaccinations.
ZY Grandfather is a doctor, mom and dad are doctors, wife is a doctor.

[Revival]

Has the pension reform convinced you so?
Or did you like the approach: while I am president ... well, think about it?

[Alex777]

Quote: Revival

Has the pension reform convinced you so?

I consider this reform to be the main mistake of the GDP.

[huntsman650]

Kedmi is right in his own way, i.e. not quite right). Where the food is better, there is the homeland))). Homeland from the word to be born happened !!! Mercenary)

[Finches]

Syrian operators can universally scarecrow trade ...

[gloomy]

Guess three times.

[YOUR]

What's the difference?

[fruc]

Syrian-Russian.

[Iris]

Of course, this is the key question.

[AC130 Gunship]

I am begging you...

[serezhasoldatow]

Isn't it all the same. Shot down and fine.

[Aleksandr Ivanov]

Our. Control system from the S-500. We combine the incompatible. We run in real, not polygon conditions. "Buk" illuminated, "Carapace" destroyed. Advertising of our technology Assadu, the capabilities of our technology to the enemy. And good fellows RTVshniki, radar reconnaissance - that's all.

[KCA]

Shell and Beech? But what about TOP and S-300 and S-400?

[faiver]

s300 / 400 on missiles and bombs?

[KCA]

No, according to F-16 and F-35, when Putin stops kissing on the gums with the prime ministers of Israel, and this option is not excluded

[faiver]

and it will not stop, firstly, Russia does not need Jewish avengers in the country, given the vast diaspora, secondly, Syria will not pull the war with Israel now, and we have nothing to put pressure on them, but the Jewish diasporas of developed countries will openly shit in response, you can remember Schiff and the loss of the Russo-Japanese war

[YOUR]

Those. Islamists we will not shit but the Jews will? Did I understand you correctly?

[faiver]

and the Islamists do not crap? and for a very long time

[YOUR]

So why are you so scared of the Jews? Have not heard the saying that wolves are afraid not to go to the forest.

[faiver]

where am I? I do not approve of Israel's airstrikes, but in Syria, our army is to fight the igil, and not for a showdown with Israel

[KCA]

Jewish Avengers? Do you have many Jewish acquaintances in Russia? I have many, there are no avengers among them, physicists, mathematicians, programmers, but not fighters

[faiver]

in Tsakhal, Mossad also physicists, mathematicians and other associate professors? Jews are different, like all other peoples

[KCA]

Are there many Tsakhal and Mossad employees in Russia? Have you counted former citizens of the USSR and Russia in Israel? Are they all directly against Russia? What if there is one opponent, or two?

[ultra]

Firstly, these "avengers" cannot be pacified anyway, and secondly, Syria does not need to fight with Israel, and we have more pressure than we have, and not only militarily, but the Jewish diasporas already shit on us where possible.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ultra

They will not forget the Pale of Settlement.

So the guilty have not yet redeemed their guilt.

[ultra]

Well, you think so, we have a different opinion in Russia.

Quote: And Us Rat

So the guilty have not yet redeemed their guilt.

[Momento]

I don't understand at all ... where is Aleppo and where is Israel? they obviously flew through all of Syria. not through Turkey flew.

[rusich]

And the S-300 and S-400 for carriers over foreign territory.

[KCA]

S-300 and S-400 are officially invited to Syria by its legitimate government, as are Pantsir-S and Tor-2M

[Vladimir61]

The main thing is for the British to take it seriously that a warning from Russia on the recent events in the Black Sea may lead to the reality of dealing with its anti-ship complexes!

[Fungus]

Israel was given permission to bomb Iranian proxies. He began to bomb the Syrians. And also peaceful. That is, they got sick.

[sidoroff]

peaceful Syrians are allowed to bomb only the Syrian Air Force and the Russian Aerospace Forces. Turks and Israelis
prohibited.

[Tagan]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

Of course, it sounds very pompous (in the name of what), if you do not take into account, by what methods and by whose victims. And bravado will be present exactly as long as the guys are not brought down by arrogance, taking them seriously. Israel played too much.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tagan

And bravado will be present exactly as long as the guys are not knocked down by arrogance, taking them seriously ...

Too lazy to study history? Is it easier to write nonsense?
Every time, when the "guys" were taken seriously, the "guys" began to answer seriously, and the "ambassadors" began to drive zinc coffins home. For an eye for an eye for the "guys" is sacred.
The USSR learned this lesson, even though it took a long time and hurt. The lists of Soviet soldiers who died in Syria and Egypt have not yet been made public.
So, you should restrain your bravado.

Py.Sy. Fortunately, decisions in Russia today are made by smart people, not people like you.

[sagitovich]

If missiles come to the country from foreign territory, I don't understand how not to shoot down the carriers? For example, NATO will launch missiles from anywhere but from the territory of Russia, we will sit and fight over our territory. Swinging to fight back ...

[Tagan]

Quote: burigaz2010

Aaron, do not you think that in an effort to defend yourself you are a little overwhelmed!

And that's putting it mildly. The guys have completely lost their shores, and for a long time.

[Azimuth]

And how can Israel limit Iran's influence with 7-8 bombs? 70-80 daily, then I will believe. But then this is War and the loss of pilots and a land operation. The Jews are not capable of this, for any government is a political corpse. Flights will be up to the first precedent with a Russian soldier.

[Dikson]

This is probably just this kind of invitation to the new Prime Minister of Israel to talk?

[Alexander Popov_3]

Has Russia's patience run out? That bear disease was discovered?

[rocket757]

British press: Israel did not take seriously the warnings of the Russian Federation on Syria, now it is dealing with the Russian complexes "Pantsir" and "Buk"

... What are these experts who do not know that Israeli aviation does not enter the zone of destruction of air defense systems, short and medium range ??? which are PANTSIR and Beech.
Looks like the same as "British scientists".

[AntiAleks]

There will be no Khmeimim base for a start ...

[Winnie76]

Do you think that suicides are in power in Israel?

[Lech from Android.]

Seriously?
And if after that there will not be a couple of military airfields in Israel with all the contents?
They say in the last raid our electronic warfare planted an Israeli planning bomb in the hands of our specialists.
Maybe she's already where she needs to be.

[rusich]

We still have to crawl to Khmeinin. But in Israel, they may not take off. On takeoff, you can pluck like partridges

[ultra]

And where will she go?

[Marachuh]

America is also only defending itself. For the purpose of protection, she climbed into Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine .... Maybe it's time for us to clean up some faces for protection ?!

[Pytnik]

The last 3 days, a lot of articles on this topic have appeared on different resources from avia.pro (well, here you can believe% by 30) yesterday in the Free Press a large article even appeared here link https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/305364/ well and various foreign

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Pytnik

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/305364/

From the article
"local authoritative website DEBKA"
Everything you need to know about the article level.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Israel's task is not to fight Iran, but to prevent the restoration of peaceful life in Syria and its economy.

The US, Turkey and Israel need chaos in Syria. So they will be able to remove Russian bases from there and lock the Black Sea Fleet in the Black Sea, and at the same time chop off territory from Syria and plunder resources.

The Jews, the destruction of Syrian citizens, infrastructure facilities, enterprises, simply justify the notorious fight against the influence of Iran, in fact, the goal is Syria.

In this case, Israel acts very meanly, in exchange for American assistance, the IDF has turned into a PMC for the United States and carries out their orders.

I really hope that despite all the attacks by Israel and other hostile forces, Syria will recover over time and with the help of Russia.

[Maks1995]

And, similar articles have been going on for years .... And Israel both bombed and bombed .... "Informing"

[Alecsandr]

Israel is forced to strike, or wait until various proxies attack it like a bear in a den. The latest missile attacks on Israel have shown that the situation is clearly worsening. They are taking them from all over the world and they themselves make missiles on an almost industrial scale. If Russia is fighting ISIS ( banned organization), which is considered a threat to Russia not on its own land and far from the borders, then why Israel has no right to somehow try to protect itself. All this confusion is going on right at its borders. Here is some kind of double standards. And just sit and wait - you will not have time to look around you already have tactical missiles deployed. In short, this is such a confusing question and it became aggravated with the outbreak of the civil war in Syria. Too many strangers appeared in this region who act in their own interests.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: PiK

We, for our part, continue to adhere to this practice.
But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

Will the confrontation be beneficial if your Air Force squad is reduced? I do not think. And it will definitely decrease if your government continues to escalate the situation in this region. And I would like to know why the pilots risk their lives by attacking objects in Syria, and not Iran? Destroying objects not on the territory of the enemy, but on the territory of a country that does not threaten Israel - well, that's fine. The only strange thing is that your Air Force does not attack targets in Burkina Faso, say. Or, generally speaking, Easter Islands.

[Professor]

Russia got tired of this, and in the last raid, Israeli missiles were met by Russian-made anti-aircraft systems, which shot down seven of eight missiles.

Brilliant. Receive a warning about the upcoming raid (time, place, route) and, by your own words, manage to shoot down not even all the missiles.

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Today, 09: 01
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Russia got tired of this, and in the last raid, Israeli missiles were met by Russian-made anti-aircraft systems, which shot down seven of eight missiles.

Brilliant. Receive a warning about an upcoming raid (time, place, route) and by their own words, manage to shoot down not even all the missiles. request

he understood what he had scribbled ?!

[Dym71]

Quote: professor

Receive an alert about an upcoming raid (time, place, route)

For your "warnings" we have known for a long time, Prof, do not waste the last nerve.

Quote: professor

and by their own words, manage to shoot down not even all the missiles.

I beg you, even the great and terrible Kipat barzel does not guarantee 100%!

[Professor]

Quote: Dym71

For your "warnings" we have known for a long time, Prof, do not waste the last nerve.

Time, place, route. More than enough.

Quote: Dym71

I beg you, even the great and terrible Kipat barzel does not guarantee 100%!

When do they know exactly the place, time and route? 100% guaranteed. It's even easier than in an exercise, CEP. But this is not interesting. Interestingly, even after receiving a warning, the object could not be protected.

[Fungus]

Managed. The Syrians are great.

[Professor]

Quote: Fungus

Managed. The Syrians are great.

Well yes. Missiles shot down - object destroyed. The "Syrians" are great. Only they forgot that the purpose of air defense is not to shoot down missiles, but to DEFENSE objects.

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Today, 10: 17

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Quote: Fungus
Managed. The Syrians are great.

Well yes. Missiles shot down - object destroyed. The "Syrians" are great. wassat Only they forgot that the purpose of air defense is not to shoot down missiles, but to DEFENSE objects.

These are your fictitious duties)), or are you so worried about the Jewish air defense?

Taki for your greater horizons)) -

Air Defense Forces (Air Defense Forces) - a branch of the Ground Forces designed to cover troops and objects from enemy air attack when combined-arms formations and formations of operations (combat actions) are carried out, regroupments (march) and location on the spot. They are responsible for the following main tasks:

carrying out combat duty on air defense;
reconnaissance of the air enemy and the notification of covered forces;
destruction of enemy air attack assets in flight;
participation in the conduct of missile defense in theaters of operations.

[Garist Pavel]

Another clownery. Shoot down the missiles .. It's like a gopnik beats you in the alleyway, and you only parry the blows and dodge, but don't hit back. In response, you need to charge in the face and knock out his teeth, then he will calm down, and so ... Clownery ..

[Tagan]

Quote: AntiAleks

There will be no Khmeimim base for a start ...

A very rash statement. Where will you hide then?

[rusich]

It's time to move on to knocking down the carriers, and not the means of destruction

[stone]

And sho has changed? Previously, only the Syrian media were "knocked down", but now Russian representatives have begun to say the same thing. In the propaganda, changes are evident, in fact, both the attacked objects were destroyed, and they are destroyed.
"British edition Rai Al Youm" - it is not funny themselves from such a British edition

[A. Privalov]

Quote: stone

British edition Rai Al Youm "- it is not funny themselves from such a British edition

I would not take such publications very seriously.

The electronic Arabic-language newspaper, whose editorial office is located in London, was created in 2013 at the initiative of Abdel Badri Atwan, who had previously been the editor-in-chief of the newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi (Jerusalem Arabic) for a long time. Then he headed the editorial board of Rai al-Yaum. An English version is available. The publication positions itself as pan-Arab, with 95% of its readers living in most countries of the world.

[A. Privalov]

All the same, this edition already wrote in 2018. This message "Pan-Arab media" Rai Al-Youm "announced the" last "Israeli strike on Syria" was examined here at VO.

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[A. Privalov]

I have already spoken somewhere, but I will repeat again:
There is no need to build any assumptions relying on the articles of biased windbags and talkers from the media known for their "truthfulness". Moreover, this is not the "Press of Britain", but a network of Arab tops.

Literally in a week or two, we will see and hear everything.
If this is true, then the strikes will stop, if false, then SANA will traditionally report to us about the new great victories of the Syrian air defense over the aviation of the damned Zionists.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Today, 10: 14

+1
I have already spoken somewhere, but I will repeat again:
There is no need to build any assumptions relying on the articles of biased windbags and talkers from the media known for their "truthfulness". Moreover, this is not the "Press of Britain" at all, but a network of Arab tops. ...

The whole truth)) only in your words!

[stone]

I would not take such publications very seriously.

Well, it's not designed for you, but for people with one, urapatriotic gyrus

[Heel]

but for people with one, urapatriotic gyrus

and I think that it’s not even on them, this is a pan-Arab network resource, they are interested in the click-through rate of articles on an Arab street, a week later they will write that, despite Russia's displeasure, Israel continued as if nothing had happened ... and then something else anything, and on VO any articles about Israel are very readable and discussed, more advertising is profit

[Ross xnumx]

Moscow began to perceive Israeli actions as irresponsible.

And in Jerusalem (or still in Tel Aviv) they perceive their actions as unrequited. As soon as the snout is cleaned, they will begin to behave differently.

[dub0vitsky]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: PiK

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

This is annoying. Israelis shoot outside Syrian airspace. We will not overstrain technically? Air defense systems are always more expensive than offensive weapons. And if you do not touch the carriers, then even more so

Where does this information come from? If you shoot down planning bombs, unguided shells with a rocket, then maybe there. But if you shoot down the carriers? And it can come to this if the Russian participants in the events are already suffering. And who knows if it will come to their destruction already on earth? Escalation is a little controllable thing ...

[Avior]

Where does this information come from?

Ground defense assets are needed much more than attacks
Ground means need to be dispersed among the objects, because

[askort154]

... with Benjamin Netanyahu, the Russian authorities usually agreed ...

..... near the Kremlin Jews with Israeli. As a result of these "agreements", Israel behaves in the BV like a ferret in a chicken coop,
and Russia pretends not to notice him.

[Shahno]

Who benefits from such a position is understandable, some sources, behind which are "defenders of Al Quds". This is completely unprofitable for the Russian Federation and is clearly unprofitable for Israel. Wage war thousands of kilometers away, with a limited contingent on the border with the state with the most powerful military machine in the region. Smells like a hat ...

[rocket757]

To those who have come across all sorts of children of Allah with BV, it seems strange what kind of "love and friendship" our fellow citizens show !!!
There are no white, fluffy on either side !!! the great of our friends is not there, but there are more than enough enemies!
There are PARTICIPANTS there, to some extent SUPPORTED, to whom, if necessary and, if possible, HELPED !!! specifically, at a sufficient level .... the state helped them to save, and other miscellaneous too.
But with whom we have NOTHING TO SHARE, so it is with Israel ... this is NOT OUR PROBLEM!

[askort154]

rocket757 ...But with whom we have NOTHING TO SHARE, so it is with Israel ... this is NOT OUR PROBLEM!

Yes, everything was divided with Israel in the 90s. All bankers and oligarchs in Russia are Jewish, although some have Russian surnames. (Potanin, Prokhorov, Smolensky, Berezovsky, Chubais, etc.)

[rocket757]

There is a capitalist and his opponent, the working class.
Everything, more than anything more contradicting for so long, consider EVERYTHING, is not and never will be.

[mvg]

Well, ALL combat sofas went on the warpath. Comments - FIRE. Everyone wants to harm Hel ha'Avir, but for some reason no one thinks that the Carapaces of operators have more than one F-1 pilot. What will you tell their mothers?

[Iris]

To be honest, I have little faith in downed missiles (seven out of eight, eight out of seven, thirty-four out of fifteen - by choice), but in principle it doesn't matter: targets are hit anyway.
The question is for whom and for what purpose our statements were made. And if this is a warning, then it may very well be that this is a warning about new circumstances - they say, guys, the Syrians have finally remembered where the start button is on the remote control, please be careful!

And for those who like to write from time to time nonsense like "it's time to shoot down the media!" I will remind you that there is a The procedure for the mutual coordination of hostilities, in accordance with which, in particular:
1. The parties warn each other about the combat operations they are carrying out.
2. None of the objects and military personnel of the parties shall be considered by the parties as targets.

It is this agreement that saves the lives of soldiers - both ours and the Israelis. And the cancellation of this agreement may, at a minimum, cost victims on both sides, and, possibly, lead to a serious military conflict with serious losses.
Officers of the Military Couch Forces - for whom do you want to frame our soldiers this time? For the IRGC? For Hezbollah?
As soon as the hand rises to write such an abomination ..

[rocket757]

Sofa troops, the most ... sofa troops in the world and no matter where the sofa is, they are all the same.
The question is - which of those who really make specific decisions, give commands, said something specific?

[Iris]

The statement (the third in two weeks) on the evening of July 25 was made by the Deputy Head of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties in the SAR, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit.

"From 05:40 to 05:54 on July 25, two F-16 tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force, without entering the airspace of the Syrian Arab Republic, struck from the south-western direction with two air-guided missiles at targets in the village of Seydat-Zeinab province. Damascus, "Kulit said.
According to him, both missiles were shot down using the Russian-made Buk-M2E complexes, which are in service with the air defense of the Syrian army.
I don’t know if his position is connected with the immediate operational command .. Or is it a figure like Konashenkov.

There was also a statement by the Russian ambassador to Lebanon in an interview on Lebanese TV, where he said that any aircraft bombing Syria is a legitimate target for the Russian Aerospace Forces, even if they do not fly into its territory. But it was Mr. Ambassador who got excited. But at his level it is the authority to make such statements.

[rocket757]

It turns out that there was no command to shoot down.
What is the argument then?

[Iris]

О probabilities changes in the status of kva))

[aszzz888]

Iris (Beretta)
Today, 10: 00
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To be honest, I have little faith in downed missiles ...

this is your personal grief!

[Iris]

This is my personal assessment

[igor67]

Quote: Iris

To be honest, I have little faith in downed missiles (seven out of eight, eight out of seven, thirty-four out of fifteen - by choice), but in principle it doesn't matter: the targets are in any case

That's right, I can't believe it, because they've already written a thousand times, they immediately shoot missiles with traps, and then boom, dummies and shoot down

[Fedor Ivanov]

for how many warned in the story of the death of IL?

[Iris]

for how many warned in the story of the death of IL?

I cannot exactly answer this question, I will find out.
But the Israelis themselves admit that it was a very short time. Why ? Because they were afraid of a leak .. You need to know what time is spelled out in the regulations of the "Order of coordination", I don’t know this yet.
However, it seems to me that the leaders of the operation should have done two things:
- First, to prohibit the Syrians from opening fire in order to exclude a "friendly" attack.
- secondly, to notify the Israeli side of the operation. Then our leadership would have learned that although the F-16 is already gone, there are a lot of false targets dangling in the air, which will inevitably become the targets of the air defense of the SAR - for which they were intended; which means that it is VERY dangerous to be in this area now ..

In short, everyone is good

[Yarla]

The standard situation does not want to talk to Sergei Viktorovich, they will have to talk to Sergei Kuzhugetovich .....

[Fantazer911]

It is also necessary to extinguish the inhabitants, when entering the airspace of Syria, but that's not the task, Israel uses tactics from under the tishka from the territory of another state, the mouse will not have a stolen cat pie for a long time!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fantazer911

Israel uses tactics from under the tishka from the territory of another state,

Strategist, you are our knowledgeable, look at the map

How can you fly from Israel to Et-Tanf and then to Aleppo?
Or how to strike Aleppo from Levan?

And how to get Abu Kemal from Lebanon.

Looks like geography smoked in the corridor.

[Fantazer911]

You're just smart!
Tell me that the Israelis, that is, they do most of their missile launches from their territory, well, you are simply unique, minus from me!
And I did not indicate the state from which Israel's aircraft are being fired in Syria!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fantazer911

Tell me that the Israelis, that is, they do most of their missile launches from their territory, well, you are simply unique, minus from me!

If your disadvantage is the most important thing for you, then thank you. This is the easiest, but to explain and prove, you need to have an idea of ​​what you are writing about.
A NOW QUESTION
Israel acquired 33 F-35s, that's $ 2,5 billion, installed its avionics and weapons for what?
There are no parades in Israel
So they FLY THERE WHERE IT IS NECESSARY AND DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY.

[Fantazer911]

I did not discuss the quantity, quality, availability and armament of their machines, you are carried away, you do not need to be smart and take the conversation aside, you are like my son, he has a specific question, he answered a question, but on a different topic, so are you, the impression that you are communicating with a child, you do not take me aside, you do not need to be clever, my comment does not indicate the country from the territory of which state is the Israeli air attack on the territory of Syria!
And from your commentary one gets the impression that the Syrians are shelling their own territory for the benefit of Israel and Tsehal!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Fantazer911

you are carried away, you do not need to be a smart guy, and take the conversation aside, you are like my son, he has a specific question, he answered a question, but on a different topic,

The answer was given to what you wrote

Fantazer911 (Vladimir Belov)
28 July 2021 10: 21
It is also necessary to extinguish the inhabitants, when entering the airspace of Syria, but that's not the task, Israel uses tactics from under the tishka from the territory of another state, the mouse will not be long to eat stolen pie from the cat!
I brought maps that enter the territory of Syria, Liechtenstein Air Force.
Please tell your son otherwise, but so that he understands.

[Fantazer911]

You just got me, well, smart guy, take a pie from the shelf, you can read carefully at all, it doesn't load me, you have no one to talk to, you say one thing, and you another!

[senima56]

It is high time! And then we are only threatening, and ours are being brought down! We have to fuck it! And so fuck it, so that not only Israel, but everyone, it became clear - it is better not to tease Russia! Hai, of course, will rise, but the provocations will definitely stop!

[_Ugene_]

Russia got tired of this, and in the last raid, Israeli missiles were met by Russian-made anti-aircraft systems, which shot down seven of eight missiles.

Only to shoot down missiles with air defense means is initially a losing strategy, so the raids cannot be stopped, and ours will not go to full confrontation with Israel because it is pointless, so nothing will change here

[Teador]

Quote: aszzz888

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
Today, 07: 49
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Quote: PiK


We, for our part, continue to adhere to this practice.
But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.

So far, only means of destruction are getting lost, not their carriers ...

Well, maybe you will. Maybe even our pilots will die. They know what they are risking their lives for. In general, the confrontation with professional air defense crews and modern technicians will only benefit our Air Force.

You are here, on VO, swagger - all the more, you will not have to die, you are rattling on the keyboard here, and you must admit it is not the same thing. And then tell your bravado to the families of the fallen flyers! I suppose they will listen to you with inexhaustible interest)), and with a feeling of gratitude)) that their relatives died for the murky interests of Israel.

Well, in general, every Israelite goes through a war, to some extent, it's not the most pleasant when missiles are poured on you, I took my mother to an operation in Israel in 2014 and personally saw four missiles shot down overhead and it was in Tel Aviv.

[Dimon-chik-79]

When the Israeli installations are bombed, or their aircraft launching the rocket are shot down, then this can be called a really serious, adequate response!

[Shryon]

Quote: Pandiurin

The decision is obvious that Israel's flights in Lebanese airspace should be blocked.
For example, the recreation of the Lebanese Air Force and / or Air Defense.
But this is a political issue for the supply of weapons and financial at whose expense.
But while Israel rattles its arms and demonstrates its tenacity, the plus sign for something like arming Lebanon becomes more.

In this scenario, what will Israel choose? Will he watch calmly as the Islamic terrorists in Levan implement their plans to destroy the "Zionist entity" and dump Jews into the sea, or will they once again cleanse Lebanon with the call of Beirut?
Think, if there is anything ...

[Cynic]

Call me, but what are we discussing? Stuffing the British media ...

[Nikolay Slavetsky]

I read almost all the comments, I'm tired. Guys, what, you have nothing to do? The Syrians there shot down that, not the Syrians, uvam what's the matter? Everyone is so smart, yes, belligerent, just passion and nothing more. And with this little Jew who, like a hare from an anecdote, makes fun of you ... Don't you understand? Why are you making fun of yourself ?! Like little children. I remember when seven years ago it was just beginning, then there was also a fuss about these IDF aces, I remember the statement of the German general on this matter. He literally said the following: If the Russians want to, even sparrows in Israel will walk on foot. Understood - if they only want to! By and large, I don't care about the Arabs and the Israelis from the high bell tower. They sip from the same cup. Both of them, ungrateful pigs. And tell this Chaim so about sparrows and tell him, he will calm down right away.

[Iris]

There is a unspoken the rule of etiquette on VO, accepted among people of good taste: do not write kamentov when drunk. An invaluable, one might say, rule - it allows you not to spend NZ to enter the site in the morning. I have the honor

[huntsman650]

There have already been threats and warnings, not the first or the last time. Aircraft will not and cannot be shot down!

[certero]

The end of patience is when Israeli planes will fall to the ground. Never before in the world have you won a battle by defense

[spbdweller]

The task of Russia in Syria, as the Kremlin has repeatedly stated, is to preserve the Syrian state.
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Russia's task is clear. Her interest is unclear.

[AC130 Gunship]

Much will depend on how strong the new US administration will be on friendly terms with Israel. So that, suddenly, Israel does not become, like Ukraine, a bargaining chip in the confrontation between the United States and Russia in the Middle East.
On the other hand, Israel reacts very harshly to the deaths of its citizens. The Russian Aerospace Forces least of all needs in this confrontation to unintentionally (or deliberately) shoot down F16

[Put__NIK]

Israel is the closest ally of the United States and therefore the time of negotiations and persuasion has passed. The United States will now force all its pack to do bad things to Russia, and therefore the talk is over.

[indy424]

and so the conversations ended. is very scary. and what will begin now ?!

[Ax Matt]

It is necessary to shoot down nine out of eight (along with the starting ones) ... It's already good to be almond-shaped.

[Shahno]

"How do you need it" ... How?

[Alexander Pseudonym]

I can look at a case of beer that Russia will not shoot down Israeli planes. For Russia, this is a remote theater of war. The Russian grouping is weak there.

[Crabong]

Launches on carriers with three hundredths to catch up should already be done ... In order not to destroy for now ...

[Momento]

in general, the most effective launches are in pursuit - it is more difficult to miss than to hit

[Morris812]

Israel trains to overcome air defense and motivates its electorate. Ours train their air defense system and also motivate their electroat. The Syrians train air defense, defend their territory, and again motivate their electorate. Hike here all sides in chocolate, what's the problem then)))

[Momento]

air defense, air defense ... it is clear if they attacked the air defense from Israel. but alepo ... where are the Syrian fighters? Israel needs to fly half of Syria to get to Aleppo. and there and back.

[cat hippopotamus]

It is not entirely clear what does Syria threaten Israel with? Israel only makes enemies for itself.

[Aleksandr Ivanov]

The S-500 control system is being tested. Good for us. We test our weapons with someone else's hands. Only if there is an attack on our bases, the S-300 will respond. The system is then controlled from one center. And I think not from the Syrian air defense command post. Well, there will be a no-fly zone. We are good . Only Israel will launch a missile and bomb attack on our bases. And he will get nothing for it. Although this is a declaration of war, the leadership of the Russian Federation will stick its tongue ... and we will be fed with a fairy tale that everything is under control, instead of plunging Israel into the Stone Age. And this is not long: military bases; nuclear power facilities; desalination plants.

[Fedor Ivanov]

we are not in a position to spoil relations with Israel. But there are some bugs: a setup with our IL, a mocking time of warning about our strikes, their proximity to our deployment. It is necessary to replay the IDF, this task is super difficult, but doable. Impunity lulls. Therefore, it is necessary to work on the principle, "the guys did not wait." They, for sure, repeat themselves. In the most likely place where they go to strike, ambush ZrDn. The whole question is where to hide it later ... You need to prepare in great detail: checkmate. modeling, training at the test site, selection of specialists, place, time ... The guys are too serious.

[Fedor Ivanov]

Israel will never acknowledge the authorship of its air strikes against Syria. So we must give up the authorship of the fire damage of the four F-16s, if it happens. Tell the Arabs ... Direct confrontation is not needed, and there is no strength for it.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

They are likely to be repeated.

This is an assumption that can turn out to be false, and therefore can lead to failed plans.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

ambush ZrDn

At the Israeli level, reconnaissance and surveillance equipment is an impossible task. Not on the scale of Syria, at least.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

The whole question is where to hide it later ...

To the landfill. The ZrDn survival rate in this scenario tends to be 0%.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

You need to prepare in great detail: checkmate. modeling, training at the test site, selection of specialists, place, time ...

Syria does not pull, and the Russian Federation has no reason to step on the rake of the USSR.

[Fedor Ivanov]

firstly, you repeat: launch missiles, go to low altitudes or hide behind a mountain ridge. secondly, the IDF aircraft were hollowed out from ambushes back in the 70s, and now the closure time is minimal. Your intelligence is good, but not the gods. We missed the presence of anti-tank systems before the invasion of Lebanon and burned chariots. You will take an iron dome to the dump, when serious people will work for you with serious means In general, if the Supreme gives an order, you the Arabs of the new formation will be engaged. But what the IDF doesn’t suffer from, unlike you, is its hatred. Therefore, they flew to MOSCOW ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

launching missiles, going to low altitudes or hiding behind a mountain ridge

This is another admission, replicated by pseudo-specialists from the media or sofa "Xperians", which does not have any intelligible basis. And the radar data from Khmeimim are classified and inaccessible for publication, therefore, even the reliable observation efficiency is unknown.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

IDF aviation was hollowed out from ambushes back in the 70s

Half a century back. Since then, the capabilities of the IDF Air Force have grown by several orders of magnitude. And the methods of half a century ago will become a sophisticated method of suicide.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

They missed the presence of anti-tank systems before the invasion of Lebanon and burned down ,, chariots ,,

Irretrievable 5 tanks, acceptable price for the next 15 years of silence on the northern border. Compared to the losses of the Yankees in Iraq or the Russian Federation in Georgia or Chechnya, the losses are generally insignificant, and the goals have been achieved.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

You will take an iron dome to a landfill when serious people will work for you with serious means

Uh-huh, they'll shower them with hats. At least you would not flaunt your ignorance.
Specifics zero, logic zero, only you know how to puff out your cheeks.
Go through the educational program, learn the materiel. LCD is just one layer of missile defense. There are “serious” remedies against "serious" means. Not to mention the fact that everything "serious" will be suppressed preventively on the ground with no less "serious" tools.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

will be engaged ,, Arabs ,, of the new formation

Genetic mutants or what?
When the Syrians knocked out the F-2018 in 16, by morning there were no Syrian air defense systems south of Damascus. Since then, they have not fired at the carriers, coming up with excuses about someone else's airspace and the curvature of the earth. But in fact - to poke a press-press into the button.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

hatchery

I am far from you in this matter.

[Fedor Ivanov]

I read it, I don't even want to answer, all lies are lies. NEVER admitted their losses, other obvious facts and you do not have nuclear weapons, and five tanks were lost and the Syrian air defense was destroyed. In a serious conflict, you are nobody against us, just the weight category is not the same ... it will never be, because we are fellow travelers.

[Fedor Ivanov]

When he asked the captain-order bearer, how is it with the Israelites in Egypt, how are our divisions there? He was silent, they will be able to burn it, they will not be able to lie! And the order was for skyhooks.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

I don't even want to answer

Because in essence you have nothing to answer.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

NEVER admitted their losses

What a habit, to judge everyone by yourself. Here is a LIST OF ALL IDF servicemen killed, with biographies and cause of death:
https://www.izkor.gov.il/

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

In a serious conflict, you are no one against us

Your Wishlist, no more. In fact, Russia simply does not have sufficient logistics to pull forces to the Israeli borders, safe enough for victory, intact and within adequate timeframes, and even without leaving Russia itself unprotected at the same time. And even if by magic it would have happened, taking into account the total mobilization in Israel, the regular army of the Russian Federation would be corny in terms of personnel. With a nuclear exchange, there will be a Pyrrhic victory, Israel will be destroyed, but the reciprocal counter will destroy a dozen million-plus cities, industrial centers, and so on. The rest of the enemies of the Russian Federation will not miss the opportunity to cling to the throat. Insanity is shorter.
The Kremlin understands this very well in the Kremlin, and therefore they negotiate, and do not bend their fingers like a fan.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

He was silent, they will be able to burn it, they will not be able to lie!

I'm used to judging by myself.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Is there at least one Russian-speaking general in Israel?

Of course. http://www.iton.tv/chitalka/10714-pervyj-russkij-general.html

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

open wikipedia

Since when do you, uryaks, Wikipedia believe, this is "lies of the decaying west"

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

ratio, mrk ...

It was always like this, at 48, at 67, and at 73. And nothing, no one left offended, including the Soviets.
"Not by number, but by skill" - AV Suvorov.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

YOU are a demagogue.

Actually, you, from my side, have logical arguments and links, but you do not.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

The iron dome is TACTICAL AGAINST unguided artisanal missiles, with a range of up to 80 km. What are the layers?

You persist in your ignorance out of principle, instead of an educational program?
There are 4 more (four Karl!) Missile defense layers in Israel.
1. "Stunner" vs. BRMD.
2. MIM-104F (PAC-3) versus low-level MRBM.
3. "Arrow 2" against the upper level MRBM.
4. "Arrow 3" versus MIRV in space.

[Fedor Ivanov]

on missile defense, stop writing Anderson's tales. at least one test on MIRV was? CAN you also work on hypersound? they drew hotelok, which, except for water pipes, did not work on anything. The States cannot answer for their missile defense, but here, the Iron Dome, well, stop lying ... BY THE STATE, you are nobody without them, and in a serious confrontation you have all your hope for them. In 73, when you were hanging nuclear weapons (which you do not have), from carriers, hanging by a thread, the American air bridge helped you a lot. And NOW you are on their state support, remove their support and they will trample you, but no, you will start a little nuclear war, I forgot. Then you will count the holes in the dome. And you can drive you into the Stone Age in a few days and without nuclear weapons. JUST we are normal people, besides we are fellow travelers. Yes, it seems like the IDF decided to transfer the strikes against SYRIA to ground-based means, we’ll wait and see. And the misinformation, which you yourself believed in, should not be replicated here ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

at least one test on MIRV was?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

CAN you also work on hypersound?

In ballistic terms, yes, given the fact that Arrow-3 intercepts warheads beyond the atmosphere at an altitude of 150 km, and the flight speeds of such missiles are 4-6 km / s.
Arrow-4, which is now in development, is being created specifically against low-altitude hypersound (KR and gliders), and given the speed of NIKOR in Israel, I think they will be in service by 2025.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

BTW about STATES without them you are nobody and in case of serious confrontation you have all your hope for them

A wordless statement without any arguments.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

In 73, when you were hanging nuclear weapons (which you do not have), from carriers, hanging by a thread, the American air bridge helped you a lot.

He rescued THEM and YOU, since the use of nuclear weapons by Israel could easily provoke a nuclear exchange between the United States and the USSR, and this is a polar fox, one for all.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

And NOW you are on their state support,

Less than 3% of the annual budget (3 billion out of 180), and besides, exclusively with weapons. What a pitiful "state support", you can die of hunger from this.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

And you can drive you into the Stone Age in a few days and without nuclear weapons.

Only the Yankees can do this today (everything depends on logistics, and they are the only ones who have enough for this), and then at a great price and not in a day, but in months. You simply do not have so many non-nuclear weapons of the required range, even for a systemic breakthrough of Israel's missile defense / air defense. You are catastrophically inadequate in assessing the capabilities of the IDF.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

JUST we are normal people

Russians - I do not even argue, but not you personally, your desire to puff out your cheeks runs ahead of common sense. You are trying to make statements on a topic in which you are an outspoken dilettante, and with aplomb. I understand that you are on fire, but why expose yourself to ridicule?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Yes, it seems like the IDF decided to transfer strikes against SYRII to ground-based means, wait and see

I see no reason to discuss rumors.

[Fedor Ivanov]

Listen to the commander of the planetary scale, a person who does not understand elementary matters, it is simply ridiculous from your reasoning. Learn, before sending millions of soldiers into battle, at least the classification of warheads. To the question about testing the LCD on the MIRV, without explanation, they showed the work on the MONOBLOCK. WELL, MAYBE enough to vparivat ... The ease with which you talk about the use of nuclear weapons is staggering. I am sure that there are no people with such a state of the brain apparatus as yours in the center of the IDF's decision-making ... I. does not recognize that he has nuclear weapons, although he denies the right to possess these weapons to others, and therefore a lot is not clear: in what cases it will be used, the procedure for making a decision (last time at the command of old woman Golda, maybe I am mistaken) ... Apparently, you did not take place in Israel.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Listen to the commander of the planetary scale, a person who does not understand elementary matters

An amateur's opinion of my level of competence looks especially funny. Not tired of the face of the jester?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

tests of ZhK by RGCh

Out of stubbornness, you continue to talk nonsense, when you have already been poked with your nose three times that LCD and Arrow-3 are VARIOUS systems?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

showed work on MONOBLOCK

And how does the monoblock itself differ from the individual guidance unit after separation? Do they have different karma?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

The ease with which you talk about the use of nuclear weapons is staggering

This is empirical reasoning based on logical analysis of the original data. Or should there be something mystically complex in them? Don't you pull? Is it difficult to follow the thought?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

last time on the command of old woman Golda, maybe I'm wrong

And again you are operating with rumors and speculation, just like a grandmother on a bench.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Apparently, you did not take place in Israel.

And why did you even decide that I am in Israel?
Demonstrate at least one logical reason for the entire correspondence. All I hope to see from you is an elementary skill to think.

[Fedor Ivanov]

Listen Clown, you are zero on ABM ABSOLUTE! The MIRV in the final section is a "cylinder" consisting of dozens of different elements and it is difficult to detect warheads in this cloud. That's all physics! SHIFT Failed! Well, do not meddle with a pig's snout in a kalashny row! ,, Empirical reasoning ,,? TOO SERIOUS QUESTION for clowns like you to discuss. system knowledge is absolute zero, and we all claim to be a guru!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Listen Clown, you zero on PRO ABSOLUTE

You are operating with unfounded speculation, and I am zero.
The clown in this situation is obvious. (hint is not me )

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

it is difficult to detect bch in this cloud

For whom is it difficult? For AFAR EL / M-2080S, which was created specifically for the selection of such targets at a distance of 1000 km?
Do you understand the difference between theory and practice?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

TOO SERIOUS QUESTION for clowns like you to discuss

It's good that I don't need your permission to do this.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

system knowledge zero absolute

So far, you are demonstrating both analytical skills. You are even a weak demagogue.

[Fedor Ivanov]

What was the MIRV in your tests? why didn't you use something close to real? AND WHAT COULD SEARCH YOUR radar? AGAIN you muddle something, as with this video: first, they secretly changed the concepts, and then pulled up physics ... MAYBE you are already working on hypersound, which is on a random trajectory.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

What was the MIRV in your tests? why didn't you use something close to real? AND WHAT COULD SEARCH YOUR radar?

As soon as they declassify, I'll tell you right away.
From the known - they intercepted a blank in space, flying at 4-6 km / s.
The tests were in Alaska, the target was provided by the Yankees, apparently from old missiles, conversion.
Radar, or rather a radar system, specialized distinguish blendes from warheads.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

and then pulled up physics ...

Yeah, we rewrote it. I have heard statements that Jews rule the world, but to change the laws of physics ...

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

MAYBE you are already working on hypersound, which is on a random trajectory

The approach speed of the warhead of the MRBM, and even more so of the ICBM, is hypersonic by default. Arrow-2 \ 3, designed to intercept them, INCLUDING quasi-ballistic warheads.
Interception of hypersonic missile launchers and gliders (that is, flying flat at low altitudes) will be the task of Arrow-4, the development of which began in 2017.

[Fedor Ivanov]

Well, that's where the specifics went. TESTS were, the results are incomprehensible. Kisunko hit the disc at 61 years old. WHAT IS SELECTING the radar system is unclear? SO you have not figured out what is the difficulty of working on MIRV. But move!

[Fedor Ivanov]

On account of the fact that LCD and Arrow are different systems, I agree. About the fact that you are in I. Your reasoning about the air bridge ,, ... SAVE THEM and YOU, that is, you do not refer yourself to either the STATES or the RF. True, maybe you are from Burkina Faso, there are also strong planetary commanders.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

You are from Burkina Faso, there are also strong planetary commanders.

I served in the IDF ... 20 years ago.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

You do not consider yourself to be either the STATEs or the Russian Federation.

"A plague on both your houses!" - William Shakespeare.
I don't see any fundamental difference.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Your reasoning about the air bridge

My? I'm not so presumptuous. Read literature, study history, get the opinion of historians and analysts. AND can it will be interesting to discuss such topics with you.

[Fedor Ivanov]

support from the States: in one place write that it is not so important (where did you get all the aviation from), in another that the states would fit in for you by (attention) delivering nuclear strikes. There is no logic, are you confused or what? Shooters, howitzers, joint development of the LCD, and so on, etc. ... by the way, today there is still a basement: heavy helicopters, Everything for you ... For billions, so you don't have Juche.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

write in one place that it is not so important (where did you get all the aviation from)

TODAY is not that important. If it were not for the Yankees, the aviation would have its own (Project Lavi) or Rafali with the Eurofighters. Engines in Beit Shemesh were produced under license back in the 70s, INCLUDING turbine blades, so this is not a critical issue.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

that the states would fit in for you by (attention) nuclear strikes

I will not even discuss this until you dilute your profanity in this topic, at least with a couple of books on the history of the issue.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

There is no logic, confused or something

Or rather, it is difficult for you to keep track of her. If your intellectual level does not allow you to conduct polemics on an equal footing, I can do nothing to help you with this.
Although I lead polemics here in one gate, and from you there is zero rational dialogue, only rumors, conjectures, cliches and village tricks.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

by the way, today there is still a basement: heavy helicopters, Everything for you ... for billions

The sale will take place under the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program of intergovernmental foreign military sales. [i] [/ i]
I translate into a language you understand - for babos, not a freebie.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Juche you do not have.

But you have.

[Fedor Ivanov]

So at the expense of nuclear strikes YOUR WORDS, WELL DEMAGOG! At the expense of aviation: you first create, set up a serial production, and then argue, you have the entire American aircraft fleet (MANILOV), yes, since 45 in the military sphere, the Juche, unlike you. One gate? From the Internet they picked up information, the processor, the weak cannot process, you turn lies into a half-truth, but it into the truth. You are the commander of the information war. QUESTION ONLINE: do you have nuclear weapons or not? AND WHAT IS THE ORDER OF APPLICATION? And it’s scary, unpredictable,
and so at least I will find out from the commander.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

WELL DEMAGOG!

You. Once again you prove it.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

you first create, set up a serial production, and then argue, you have the entire American aircraft fleet

A question of expediency.
Israel has already produced fighters on its territory. And he can repeat it at any time. The scientific and production base allows.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

You are the commander of the information war.

If I were him, I would not be so gentle with you.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

QUESTION ONLINE: So do you have nuclear weapons or not?

"No, but if necessary, we will apply it."

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

AND WHAT IS THE ORDER OF APPLICATION?

There are 4 conditions for the use of nuclear weapons:
1. Loss of 80% of the Air Force.
2. Massive ground invasion of densely populated areas of the country. (In the absence of other effective means of defense)
3. Attack or imminent threat of attack on a concentration of civilians using chemical or biological weapons.
4. Attack or imminent threat of attack with the use of nuclear weapons on the territory of the country and the near border territory.
Taking into account the small territory, the emphasis is on retaliatory strike, but there is also a "dead hand" system.

[Fedor Ivanov]

Well done in principle, but where does the information come from and how official is it?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

but where does the information come from and how official is it?

An internal circular from the Pentagon's Forecasting Division on this topic. Confidence 80% +
Of course, there were no official comments from Israel.

[Fedor Ivanov]

LISTEN well enough to lie to YOU: either a monoblock instead of a MIRV, or a tactical radar instead of a LMS. Having received a question, you rush about and-no, you can not handle the pieces. due to lack of systemic knowledge. THAT HUNDREDS of those killed in the air defense group. For what purpose are YOU FIRING HERE? Couldn't it take place in ISRAEL FOR 30 years? What WOULD YOU answer for your words, which you are now rejecting, I need to read two books. If YOU are such a Great Coin, go to the Israeli sites, or to the real Israelis, our army is on your empty nonsense. ESTABLISHED a department for the promotion of the IDF achievements here ...

[Fedor Ivanov]

YES, and I am sure that the IDF is smart guys, they don’t need lip-slaps. And most importantly, fill in the proverb from the previous place of residence (I don’t write my homeland because it is like a person's oath): “Gundet, don’t carry sacks! ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

tactical radar instead of SDO

The 1000km radar, on an Israeli scale, is not a tactical tool. For more distant detection of launches, there are satellites in geostationary orbit with a view of the entire hemisphere.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

rushing about and-no, grabbing pieces

You are rushing about from topic to topic, you do not know which side to bite, only the bite does not pull.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

due to lack of systemic knowledge

Where are yours? Does religion promise? I'm tired of your insinuations, you either refute in essence (and not with your wishes and fantasies), or stop shaggy grandma. Although, it's a no brainer that you have nothing but demagoguery.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

THAT HUNDREDS of dead in the air defense group

With pleasure I will see other OFFICIAL data from you.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

For what purpose are you rubbing

I am entertaining myself. And you?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Couldn't take place in ISRAEL for 30 years

Perfectly held, and even outgrown.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

What WOULD YOU answer for your words, which you are now rejecting, I need to read two books.

This is what I want from you. I want you to turn on the brain instead of the training manual.

[Fedor Ivanov]

well, in order, otherwise YOU are spinning like a pitchfork. So, to the question about the MIRV test, INSTEAD of a direct answer, a video with work on a blank was slipped. So yes or no. Further, DON'T GIVE ANSWER, the tactical radar you named (as it is in the detection range) can work on ICBMs. YOU generally do not answer those questions that are uncomfortable for YOU. That is, a radar station designed to work on tactical missiles is used by you as a LMS, please link. FURTHER the use of only satellites for early detection is fraught with the formation of a false alarm. Or again Uncle SAM, where are you without them! The use of nuclear weapons in your military doctrine is not spelled out? For what purpose do you not admit that nuclear weapons are in your arsenal? THANKS for the answer on its application! Only it is not clear that the Pentagon created this document on the basis of intelligence information, or did it formulate for you when I. to use nuclear weapons? And you are not, a sent Cossack, what is it that YOU have not a healthy interest in the Russian audience? You consider our losses, having increased them by an order of magnitude, they were buried with military honors and it is impossible to hide such a number of those who died in the garrisons. Do you broadcast IN Yiddish (or whatever)? Do YOU ​​have a blog for Israelis? Or are YOU only giving us the light of your extensive knowledge, so to speak?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

RGCH INSTEAD of a direct answer, a video with work on a blank was slipped

Okay, I will paraphrase, not by RGC (since the dilution is too far), but by IBN after dilution, that is, using the same blanks.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Further, DON'T GIVE ANSWER, the tactical radar you named (as it is in the detection range) can work on ICBMs.

It issues target designation for EVERYTHING, within its range, which has a reflective surface other than zero, even for an ICBM, even for a meteorite, even for an airship. And on the scale of Israel, it performs strategic tasks.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

A radar designed to work on tactical missiles is used by you as a LMS, please link

Link to what exactly? That this radar is part of a missile defense?
http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/EL/M-2080S_Super_Green_Pine

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

FURTHER the use of only satellites for early detection is fraught with the formation of a false alarm.

Well, apparently the resolution allows you to avoid this.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Or again Uncle SAM, where are you without them!

There is a sin in having full access to their early warning systems.
But this is still a matter of economic feasibility, not technical feasibility. It would be naive to doubt the ability of the Israeli military industry to build strategic over-the-horizon radars if necessary. The technology is there - ELM-2270 OTH.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

For what purpose do you not admit that nuclear weapons are in your arsenal?

After the death of Kennedy, who was too persistently trying to find out whether Levi Eshkol had a bonba, the Yankees asked not to declare themselves a nuclear power, so as not to portray them as geopolitical weaklings and not undermine their efforts on the initiative of the NPT. This is what they actually pay Israel 3 lard a year in ammunition. The rest is a screen.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

And you are not an exiled Cossack

Of course Long live Hydra.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

buried with military honors and it is impossible to hide such a number of those who died in the garrisons.

Then why is the list of casualties in "Middle East missions" still classified? Why is the exact number of victims not officially published? I searched, long and hard, nowhere.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Do you broadcast IN Yiddish (or whatever)?

In Hebrew. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Do YOU ​​have a blog for Israelis?

There is no such thing as VO, when a society is forcedly militarized, no one has a desire to spend extra attention on this beyond what is necessary. All Israeli military forums are purely civil-applied, helping recruits with some questions, for example, and so on.
There is nothing even close to VO. (Except for Oleg Granovsky's blog on LiveJournal, but also not the same).

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Or are YOU only giving us the light of your extensive knowledge, so to speak?

I will not force you, you are free to remain in your delusions.

[Fedor Ivanov]

Well, here you are and have become more adequate, with the exception of "violent". For this in Russia they beat in the face, as they say, follow the words. The fact that the Israelis are not interested in military-political chatter guessed. Dependence on the states is even more than it seemed, without their warning systems, your thousand is "goodbye homeland." If you know the principle, you will understand. Is Hydra the intelligence agency you work for?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

For this they beat in the face in Russia

You do not confuse Russia with the zone. They beat you if you have enough health. Let's just say I can afford to say what I think directly.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

On the over-the-horizon, everything will run into a small area.

Don't write nonsense. Are you bad at reading? I wrote the same title existing models, it is true marine and civilian, but the technology is the same.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

State dependency is even bigger than it seemed

But less than you would like. Situational, I would say.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Is Hydra the intelligence agency you work for?

Yeah, this is the intelligence of the Marvell military bloc.

[Fedor Ivanov]

which of the following for the dome is accepted for service and is on the database? one rocket that runs through water pipes costs $ 50. According to the theory of ver. consumption of 000-1 missiles. And how much does a real anti-missile missile cost? how much more do you need to really work? can be done, the states will help. when you do, if you ask, we can send a Sarmatian for a test (just kidding) ... Yes, read the ARTICLE on the “Reporter,” Russian air defense systems have finally begun to change the military alignment in Syria. “It’s written about you there. And read what you need to fire the MIRV, otherwise you will not get on vacation, and this is very depressing ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

which of the following for the dome is accepted for service and is on the database?

B C E. From "kumpola" to "Arrow-3"

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

how much more do you need to really work?

Radar, satellites, control points and TD. So it has been since the 80s.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

we can send sarmatians for testing

And if they buy it out in flight? Bounces back cropped.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Yes, read on ,, REPORTER, ARTICLE ,, Russian air defense systems have finally begun to finally change the military alignment in Syria.

I read it and laughed. Wrote an amateur who does not understand nifig in military affairs. But as propaganda it will do.
The IDF uses at most 5% of its capabilities in Syria, does not use "adult" weapons and serious electronic warfare systems.
And the military alignment will not change, just the IDF will strain not by 5%, but by 10% and that's it.
Israel will not compromise on issues of national security, because of some "difficulties".
I bet that within a month there will be a new blow, and everyone will start bombing out of indignation that the 100500th promise to "close the Syrian sky" is just idle talk.

[Fedor Ivanov]

We do not need a conflict with I., and we don’t have the strength either. But for IL it is necessary to bring to life. It is quite possible to roll out four F-16s with well-known side numbers, which took part in the tragedy with our aircraft. Only without authorship, we will give the laurels to the Arabs. What can save us? Only good preparation. First, theoretical, mat. modeling, then tactics, specialists in the use of air defense systems, then a polygon. When everything has been worked out and a good team has been put together, then we can work. AND THE MAIN THING: THERE ARE NO ARABS IN BUSINESS. It's like sending a message to I.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

and no strength

This is what I described to you in detail, in response to your bragging. And now you have recognized this thesis.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

It is quite possible to roll out four F-16s with well-known side numbers, which took part in the tragedy with our aircraft.

I do not argue, it is theoretically possible. Is the price worth it? How many of yours are you willing to exchange for four F-16 IDF?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Only without authorship, we will give the laurels to the Arabs.

Yes, the USSR did just that, and hundreds of families of the perished "advisers" and the invalids of these "business trips" were thrown to the sidelines of life by the Party like rubbish. Are you ready to put your son or grandson in the air defense crew who will open fire? Ready to get your zinc crate back and government sympathy?
There are many of you here, fans of swinging a saber, who did not smell gunpowder.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

When everything has been worked out and a good team has been put together, then we can work.

Don't you feel sorry for the team? After all, they will take her out. As soon as they shed their first blood, the answer is inevitable.
IDF doctrine obliges respond to any attack.

[Fedor Ivanov]

maybe the doctrine also describes the use of nuclear weapons, which you allegedly do not have. In all civilized countries SO!

[Fedor Ivanov]

Well, like, write normally, just stop writing about hundreds of victims, this is the same fake as hundreds of your downed planes. AND THERE AND THERE TENS. one unverified figure and the confidence in the information falls! There were no such losses! The biggest loss of 8 people: the calculation of the PU during reloading. What is especially tragic: the twin brother from a different calculation ran to help his brother and both died! Your pilots will not be envied at that time either, one of Popov's battalions shot down about ten aircraft. SO do not lull yourself, you can remove the four 16 and not lose people. What will save us? Only excellent preparation, up to the seventh sweat ... YOURSELF, where did you smell the gunpowder?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

stop writing about hundreds of dead

I will stop as soon as you refute my words with OFFICIAL data. I have provided a link to a resource with a list of IDF dead soldiers with details. What prevents you from responding in kind?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

you can remove the four 16 and not lose people.

Not in today's realities. As I said, what worked in the 70s is just a sophisticated method of suicide today.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

By the way, another hypersound is on the way

But not one has really reached it yet.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

you have nothing against them

By the time they reach it, it will be.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

you can fuck this four right in the parking lot.

As well as the four Su-35 in Khmeimim, for example. For some reason, you forget that not only the S-400 have a radius of a couple of hundred kilometers. The IDF air defense closes the airspace over Khmeimim and there are a dozen more ways to reach ANY point within a radius of 2000-3000 km from the borders.
Or do you really believe that "Dagger" or "Caliber" have no analogues in the world?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

What will save us? Only excellent preparation, up to a sweat ...

Few. In the IDF, they screw up to the ninth, and the pilots up to the twelfth. Yankees and other NATA guest training fights are almost always dry.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Where did you smell the gunpowder?

In the IDF, apparently, I had a chance to shoot at the bearded uncles in due time.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

So we have 15 zinc because of you.

No, you have 15 zinc because of your own carelessness. And if you do not endure the correct experience, then sooner or later, the next layman in uniform will step on the same rake.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

not a single one was recognized, that is, the planes are not yours, and it is not for you to answer

Any action can work both ways. Or will you say then "and we are for sho"?

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Can't stand ANYONE if you prepare well

Although I have been preparing my whole life, 10 tanks cannot be burned with one grenade. The question rests on numbers. There is not enough air defense in Syria (even under the USSR there was no more primitive aviation) to pull an army from the top ten by the mustache, at her own home, and not to grab the hot and wet ones.

[Fedor Ivanov]

I AGREE that hp The IDF is very well prepared, and the flight man cannot be overrated. WE HAVE WHAT TO LEARN from practically all branches of the armed forces. BUT In a situation with IL, this only aggravates. They knew that the Arabs would shoot at the white light like a penny. IN 48 MINUTES, WARNED IN 50 MINUTES, HAVE A STRIKE, after 10 minutes, having thrown the LC LEFT. C-200 INTERESTING on his account there is a passenger plane. WELL AND HERE, he shot down the target with a larger image intensifier. FIRST, mocking warnings -2 minutes, are you really so afraid of the Syrian air defense? IN THE SECOND, the time of the strike could have been postponed. THAT IS, the IDF Air Force command does not give a damn about our lives. And at the expense of the "four", there is a very successful option, and the people are safe and F-KI shot down ... (whatever: you need to turn on your brains) Let's see. The world belongs to the patient!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

They knew that the Arabs would shoot at the white light like a penny.

This was also known in the flight control center in Khmeimim, and purposefully for 22 minutes they drove this unfortunate Il to the line of fire, from which he was a hundred kilometers away at the time of the first bombs hit.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

IN 48 MINUTES, WARNED IN 50 MINUTES, HAVE A STRIKE, after 10 minutes, having thrown the LC LEFT.

And IL flew to the line of fire for another 12 minutes.
F-16s in these 12 minutes were already over Haifa and were landing.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

Mocking warnings -2 minutes, are you really so afraid of the Syrian air defense?

No, your officers, who sell this information to militants for a small bribe. Who manage to escape and take the "product" out of the distribution.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

That is, the IDF Air Force command does not give a damn about our lives.

It would not give a damn, they would not cancel the strikes on the points from which yours did not have time to leave. And this has happened more than once. On the same T-4, when they hammered Iranian supplies (they wrote a lot about this), they knew that the VP patrol did not have time to leave and was in one of the buildings. Therefore, not a single bomb fell into that part of the airfield (closer than a kilometer), so that your boys would not even be scratched by glass, although there were planned targets. Hundreds of bombings, over the years, and you have not even one shell-shocked by an Israeli bomb. With you, dust particles, one might say, are blown away.
Or do you suggest treating your fighters as little children? Hold the handle so that your fingers do not stick into the socket?
Do not go children to Africa for a walk.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

The world belongs to the patient!

Then why are you complaining that "the Jews rule the world"?
But good luck with this hopeless endeavor.

[Fedor Ivanov]

By the way, another hypersound is on the way, you have nothing against them, you can fuck this four right in the parking lot. But this is from the realm of recklessness ...

[Fedor Ivanov]

For the fact that the participant b.d. respect! And you will have to answer for 15 ZINCS. After all, there was an AWACS plane and the situation was read from it. THIS is the level of the Arabs you know better than us. setup ....

[Fedor Ivanov]

So we have 15 zinc because of you. IF THE FEELING DOESN'T LEAD, there will be more rigging!

[Fedor Ivanov]

Well, I. DOES NOT strike at Syria, not a single one was recognized, that is, the planes are not yours, and it is not for you to answer.

[Fedor Ivanov]

And stop lying about hundreds of dead. THIS is from the same series as hundreds of Israeli aircraft. And there and there dozens ... ANYONE will not be endured if they are well prepared!

[Fedor Ivanov]

hundreds of downed

[Fedor Ivanov]

You are asking the right questions: people who work according to the "four" are at great risk, after the first blood, everything can spin with incredible speed, and hundreds of lives are at stake, we have already laid the first 15 (eternal memory), 15 young lives .. Due to the fact that Norkin or whoever did not want to postpone the time of the strike ... Yes, human life is priceless! The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to conflict with the IDF, God forbid! The IDF resembles a well-trained boxer, the moment you are already on the ground. THE DP group HAS a beautiful song ,, SOLDIER OF LUCK ,. The SAR Ministry of Defense will conclude an agreement ... the main thing is to provide everything with information. Unknown planes are constantly hammering SYRIA, and someone loves to listen to Wagner's music. Sorry, we're completely out of business here! According to the plan of the operation: the eggheads will write the score ... For this I will stop my military activities. I sincerely wish you good health! And yet, tell us in confidence what intelligence sent you?

[Fedor Ivanov]

Is there at least one Russian-speaking general in Israel? when I heard that the Russian-speakers were not allowed to create a separate battalion in the settlements, it even became insulting for them. And now it’s clear, it brings in ... And so some Hasidim are enough, the girls are tortured for them to carry the Browning machine guns. At the expense of all sorts of things: open Wikipedia and start reading: strategic aviation, hypersonic weapons, air defense suppression, ratio, mrk ... And I assure you everything will fall into place ...

[Fedor Ivanov]

well YOU are a demagogue. ,, The Iron Dome ,, is TACTICAL AGAINST unguided artisanal missiles, with a range of up to 80 km. What are the layers? read what is a normal missile defense, WHILE SOLID TWO. don't go on vacation until you pass it. (just kidding)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

don't go on vacation

do not go.

Quote: Fedor Ivanov

SOLID TWO

For the great and mighty.

[Serge-667]

It is striking how the commentators are being conducted on the agitprom.
What other "British press"? What other "author writes"?
Where is the link to the original source?
Another thing is curious.
There is a monitoring group, The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR). So she confirms from the territory of Syria, the defeat of the goals of Hezbollah. Even satellite images are available.
Initially, the conversation was about 4 downed missiles. Now seven out of eight. The successes of the Syrian air defense system are growing disproportionately.
Also, for those who are not lazy, there is information on the network that on July 19 and 22, and earlier, the attacks of the Israeli Air Force were successful. Since the beginning of the year, 40 targets and 100 tel. And that's 14 or 15 attacks.
So what "signals" to Israel are we talking about?
It is clear that everyone can lie and engage in postscripts. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
The question is, who and why is this "analyst from Britain" needed?

[Andobor]

Yes, Naftali Bennett needs to go to Moscow with gifts,
- the past is over.

[CHILD]

....yes, they are clearly forcing the new Jewish leadership to communicate))))

[storm]

It’s high time to ground a couple of Israeli planes for the downing of a Russian plane.

[Iris]

For the downing of a Russian plane, it is high time to remove the shoulder straps from the commanders of the operation.

[Fedor Ivanov]

I agree, YOU, in my opinion, are the only one on the other side who adequately assesses the situation. AT LEAST shoulder straps.

[Iris]

Because people need to be explained what patriotism is... and not storm the plywood Reichstags.
But today it is considered patriotic to throw hats, reject dissent, and double standards.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: PiK

But, at a certain moment, it may change if Israel does not stop raids on the territory of the SAR.

Yeah, this mantra has already caused calluses on your tongue.

[Tagan]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: Tagan

And bravado will be present exactly as long as the guys are not knocked down by arrogance, taking them seriously ...

Too lazy to study history? Is it easier to write nonsense?
When the “guys” are taken seriously, the “guys” begin to answer seriously, and the “arrogance-beaters” begin to drive home zinc coffins. For no one has yet canceled an eye for an eye. The USSR learned this lesson, even though it took a long time and was painful. The lists of Soviet soldiers killed in Syria and Egypt have not yet been made public.
But unfortunately, with the change of generations, the lessons are forgotten.

Worry about your stupidity. First, find in history the fact of direct confrontation between the USSR or Russia and Israel. And that’s where our crews were, that’s where the “guys” were doing the raking. Tell someone else about the strongest Israeli army in the world and its magical dome. The USSR rather taught lessons to the dull.

[Serge-667]

By losing all the Israeli wars?

[Tagan]

Quote: Serge-667

By losing all the Israeli wars?

Where the USSR took an active part, Israel was not even close, except for a little trouble from afar.

[AntiAleks]

Israel rolled out the USSR when it wanted and how it wanted. But destroy a rusty antique - no, he won’t dare

[Fedor Ivanov]

The reporter said that the communication line through which the soldiers warned about their attacks was inactive. IF this is true, then all masks have been dropped and there is a direct threat to the lives of our military personnel. We need to create a real air defense group. Composition: S-400 regiments ((S-300 will not work; the Israeli Air Force removed all the parameters from the Greeks, including the radar radar), ,, SM Shell ,, (will work well over all the small stuff, of which the IDF has a lot both in the air and from ground installations) Polchek Su-35S, just put it into operation gradually as the flight crew is ready. I. pilots are very well trained. I don’t know about RTV, but control of I. air bases must be ensured. All this is not fast, but the world belongs to the patient. .. In the meantime, let me warn you that if there is a threat to our military personnel, we will use everything, including hyper sound, THIS is not for you to knock down water pipes with welded stabilizers...

[Iris]

IF this is true then..

Not true.

[well]

All threats and warnings are empty words. Until Israeli planes start being shot down, nothing will change.

[mojohed2012]

Then, when Israeli planes that fired missiles towards Syria begin to fall more than once, only then will at least someone there react somehow to Russia’s statements. Before real action, the chatter will continue, and our threats will be empty words! After all, it doesn’t matter over whom the Israeli plane fired missiles - Jordan or the border with Syria, the destruction of the missile carrier is the only way out in the current vile practice of ignoring such attacks. After all, the costs of tracking, destroying and intercepting missiles launched at targets are also not small, because For 1 interception of each missile, the air defense missile system spends at least 2 missile defense systems. And if the interception is unsuccessful, then the losses and damage are even higher. Only the loss of pilots and equipment guarantees the end of this vile practice!

[Iris]

What is meanness? Is it impossible to kill terrorists on foreign territory? Is it possible only when there is a knock on your door?
Generally speaking, we are satisfied with everything. We express our disapproval - in accordance with the official position. And unofficially, we support it, since Israel’s actions are beneficial to us in the long term.