"And again Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 in different modifications": the US press complains that there was no PAK YES presentation at MAKS-2021

The International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2021, held in Zhukovsky, is coming to an end. The most high-profile event was, undoubtedly, the appearance before the audience and specialists of the concept of a light single-engine fighter of the fifth generation Su-75 (The Checkmate). However, as it turns out, foreign representatives who followed the aircraft exhibition were expecting more than that.

For example, in The National Interest, an American author complains that during the MAKS-2021 air show, the Russian promising long-range aviation complex was never presented. aviation... We are talking about PAK DA, the development of which has been announced for several years.

On the pages of the American edition:

And again Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 in various modifications. We were talking about these strategic assets of the Russian Aerospace Forces. But the expected premiere of PAK DA never took place.

It is added that, according to Russian sources, the production of a prototype of a new generation strategic bomber began in May 2020.

At the same time, the American information resource does not say exactly who and when announced the PAK DA presentation at MAKS-2021.

In other American publications, picking up on the PAK DA theme, they add that at MAKS-2021, in terms of informing about this aircraft, Russia limited itself only to data on the pilot's seat of a promising long-range aircraft. This is an ejection seat, for whom a parachute with an increased surface area is created. A prototype of such a parachute is being manufactured at the present time, as was reported during the aerospace show.

At the same time, the American media indicate that the United States itself is in no hurry to disclose all the details of the implementation of the program of the newest strategic bomber. Earlier it was reported that this combat vehicle (B-21 Raider) should take off in 2022.

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[The popuas]

Or maybe show you where the keys are from the apartment with money

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

they expect the keys to be handed over to them

[Alex777]

Experiencing in anticipation of an unpleasant surprise.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Alex777

Experiencing in anticipation of an unpleasant surprise.

I think it's just that MAKS in the USA is watched by the same relatively small community of aviation enthusiasts, as in the Russian Federation or Israel. For example, I read more reports about the exhibition, but I look if they really talk about a new product. Unlike the BTV exhibitions, which are much more interesting to me. Moreover, for a serious fan, the expectation of a novelty is fueled by excitement and a desire to see how their own predictions coincided with reality.

[Alex777]

for a serious fan, the expectation of a novelty is fueled by excitement and a desire to see how their own predictions have coincided with reality.

I completely agree. I've been waiting for the VTOL aircraft. But not yet fate.

[NIKN]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Moreover, for a serious fan, the expectation of a novelty is fueled by excitement and a desire to see how their own predictions coincided with reality.

You can't argue with that. But B21 didn't bring something either ...

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Alex777

Experiencing in anticipation of an unpleasant surprise.

Yes Yes! I would love to hear the phrase "the first PAK DA entered service with the Engels squadron, we will show it to you at the next air show!"

[hrych]

Finally, foreign analysts began to guess and suspect something. Russia is going to produce Tu-160, moreover, they hinted about fifty rubles, and our Tu-22M3s are being turned into strategists. By the way, at the expense of the preserved production cycle of NK-32 engines. which is the heart of the Tu-160 and, apparently, will gradually become the heart of the Tu-22M3M. It seems to me that Pak-Da is the most, that neither is disinformation. The production of NK-32 was revived 15 years ago and almost from scratch, how? Disguised as a GT-1 gas turbine locomotive with an NK-361 engine, based on the NK-32. Those. under the guise of financing Russian Railways, they restored the engine for the best combat aircraft on the planet. Why did Poseidon, Petrel, Dagger and Peresvet fall on the head of Western analysts, or rather intelligence agencies, like a brick on their heads? Yes, all because it led away in the direction of dez. I am also afraid about the Lada with VNEU, they distracted attention, and the good old Varshavyanka were equipped with strategic missiles and a whole range of Caliber, where this VNEU is not needed because of the range of strike weapons, where there is no need to enter the PLO zone. The PAK, in the form of something Spirit-like in its philosophy, should break through the active air defense zone, and we have airborne missiles from a thousand to more than 5 thousand ranges, including hypersonic ones, and there is no need for us to climb into this zone. And Poseidon does not need a carrier at all, and a Petrel does not need a carrier at all. The mechcontinental nuclear-powered torpedo and the nuclear-powered cruise missile, generally new types of the triad. Therefore, let them continue to destroy their truly formidable machines such as the already cut-off B-1b, let them continue stealthy and invest in this squalor, and we will make ZGRLS so that we can see through them and we will develop long-range strike weapons and their unsurpassed carriers, well and one that does not need a carrier at all.

[NIKN]

Quote: hrych

I'm also afraid about the Lada with VNEU, they distracted attention, and the good old Varshavyanka equipped with strategic missiles and a whole range of Caliber,

I'm afraid there is no Bastard. Dimensions for strategic missiles are not enough. :(

[hrych]

In the nomenclature of Caliber ZM-14 - medium-range cruise missile

[NIKN]

Quote: hrych

In the nomenclature of Caliber ZM-14 - strategic, medium-range cruise missile

Well, as it is not ballistic, with a dozen warheads. I'm not a sailor at all, but the caliber here is too small for strategic nuclear forces.

[hrych]

Even in START, heavy bombers, carriers of CD and atomic bombs and SLBMs were equated with ICBMs, regardless of range. The Americans made it out for themselves not to fall under the START treaty and restrictions on the INF Treaty with Tomahawk naval carriers, and Humpback went for it, partly justified. But ours armed watchdogs and diesel-electric submarines with such missiles.

[NIKN]

Quote: hrych

Even in START, heavy bombers, carriers of the CD and atomic bombs were equated with ICBMs.

Yes, I do not argue Hrych. We can only shoot ballistic missiles from the pier, but how can we use calibers? Overcome PLO, reach the line of attack?

[hrych]

And with calibers from the pier it is possible, the range of two and a half thousand (in the nuclear version) allows you to beat London from Sevastopol. For the United States, we have other carriers and delivery vehicles in the Arctic and Asia-Pacific.

[NIKN]

Quote: ODERVIT

Clarification. In military science, there are concepts - breakthrough and overcoming air defense. Strategists may not enter the air defense zone of a potential enemy.

In general, here on VO for some reason, like some kind of classic, the opinion is constantly given that the strategists are delivering the first strike ... Once again I will repeat, I will no longer, The task of strategic aviation is to remove forces and means from under the first strike, to cause damage in the second strike on to explored and identified important targets that remained unaffected by the first nuclear strike ... It's simple. Do not confuse soft with warm. This is how we have it and they have it.

[Alex777]

I'm also afraid about the Lada with VNEU, they distracted attention, and the good old Varshavyanka ...

I agree with everything except Varshavyanka.

VNEU air is not needed due to the range of strike weapons

Non-submarines need not only launch rockets.
Autonomy 3-4 weeks without surfacing is necessary and important.
The only question is how this problem will be solved technically.

[NIKN]

We can only shoot ballistic missiles from the pier, but how can we use calibers? Overcome PLO, reach the line of attack?

This is what we are talking about

[hrych]

For autonomy, we have nuclear-powered ships, and for the defense of our seas, there is nothing better than Varshavyanka, it is not for nothing that they nicknamed the "black hole". Any VNEU gives a lot of noise and anomalies on the surface, therefore it is always more noticeable. Without leaving its active zone, the PKO and PLO (in which she herself is good) Varshavyanka shoots the entire EU with a ZM-14 rocket, etc., and with a ZM-54 rocket she shoots through the entire corresponding sea.

[Alex777]

We have nuclear powered ships for autonomy

Not a fan of Klimov, but here he is right:

The already cited phrase (from an article by A.M. Vasiliev, Head of the Advanced Design Department of the Central Research Institute of Krylov), Deputy Chief of the USSR Navy, Admiral Novoselov, is worthy of repeated repetition:

... At the meeting, he did not give the floor to the head of the institute, who was eager to tell about experiments to detect the surfaced trace of a submarine using a radar ... Much later, at the end of 1989, he asked him why he dismissed this question. To this Fyodor Ivanovich replied: "I know about this effect, it is impossible to protect oneself from such detection, so why upset our submariners"?

https://topwar.ru/183065-skrytnosti-bolshe-net-podlodki-privychnogo-nam-vida-obrecheny.html

Any VNEU gives a lot of noise and anomalies on the surface, therefore it is always more noticeable.

For example, the latest Japanese nuclear submarines: less noise and speed long underwater course of 20 knots - lithium-ion batteries and electric motors.
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/29SS_japan/

[hrych]

Lithium-ion - diesel-electric submarine without VNEU, and the merit is the battery capacity. But expensive and explosive. In theory, Varshavyanka can be transferred to this type of batteries and Dollezhal's recharging egg can be attached to Varshavyanka, and this new, compact reactor can be attached to the outboard version. Varshavyanka is quite suitable for modernization.

[Alex777]

In theory, Varshavyanka can also be transferred to this type of batteries.

The onboard network is completely different. Everything will have to be completely redone for 400V.

[hrych]

The battery can be made under standard voltage. It's not a problem. Just for now, for the price of one battery, you can build a couple more Varshavyankas. Any submarine with VNEU and even a lithium-ion one is for the poor who cannot afford a nuclear submarine. Russia has both nuclear submarines and diesel-electric submarines, and now the functions of Varshavyanka have already expanded due to the weapons of the Kyrgyz Republic. There is no point in changing anything and everything is optimal. All the more so if now they are designing one and a half smaller Serval with Caliber and possibly onyx / zircon and even two and a half smaller Superpiracy with Caliber / Onyx / Zircon. And again, incomprehensible rumors about VNEU, lithium batteries and even a compact nuclear power plant for both projects. We'll see it becomes clear in the near future.

[Bad_gr]

They talked a lot about small nuclear reactors instead of VNEU, for diesel submarines, but lately they have not been talked about.

[hrych]

Gu-gu, still like gu-gu. The emphasis has gone into space for the atomic space tug, as well as quiet announcements about a maneuvering station with a powerful radar and a quantum emitter with the powerful energy that the reactor provides. Immediately, in parallel, it was announced about Sarma, something unmanned, something non-nuclear-propelled, but long-range. Either with VNEU, or with lithium-ion batteries. Also, the secrecy regime has been tightened and information will reach us even less, and this atomic breakthrough is probably the most valuable thing that has been created on earth after the Tsar Bomb.

[Alex777]

And again, incomprehensible rumors about ... a compact YSU

Incomprehensible rumors speak about 2023. Must wait.
I have a great hope that the VNEU issue will be closed in this way.
And not only on submarines, but also on ships.

[Beringovsky]

There is no Poseidon, Petrel and Peresvet. They are will be. Or will not
The dagger is just an Iskander
suspended under the Mig31.
The swing for fifty Tu-160 is certainly good, only the execution looks unrealistic. Alas, the machine-building industry in Russia in terms of the volume of production is right after the Czech Republic and Singapore. Such tasks are beyond his power. Therefore, all these Napoleonic plans will remain for the most part projects and public relations.
Like Armata and Su 57

[hrych]

The flying pan does not fly Czech Republic and Singapore how many Boreys built? And how many Ash trees or nuclear icebreakers? IPhones, cars are important for you and other household items, so on a military site you are a random commentator Russia is the undisputed and undisputed leader in nuclear technologies. Therefore, your comments about nuclear-powered ships and atomic-powered aircraft do not need. Enough hysterical Western analysts who, unlike you, took Poseidon on faith Armata is only a universal platform, Russia has more best tanks on its balance than in the United States and China combined. I personally think that we don't need this platform at all. Not the point. Su-57 was put into service and serial production began. A state contract was concluded for the production of 76 aircraft for three aviation regiments. 10 flight prototypes have been made and one is already serial. Therefore, your information is outdated. Also, without this Su-57, we are not naked, we have made hundreds of new Su-30/34/35. And the Dagger was not suspended under the MiG-31 Iskander, but the carrier and the projectile were modernized. But you cannot understand this.

[Beringovsky]

Well, okay...
There is no need to produce anything, we will buy everything abroad. What a wise thought, akin to the idea of ​​a naive Chukchi youth from an anecdote who believed that it was enough to buy an outlet for electricity in the chum.
In the USSR, they also made washing machines and refrigerators and televisions, and on their own basis, from their own components. And by the way, they also made their own machines.
And in general, I do not know of such countries that can make excellent weapons without having powerful civil engineering. There are no such and cannot be.
But you don’t understand this.

[hrych]

I also say that on VO accidentally passed Firstly, mechanical engineering is not only cars for your deep information, and in mechanical engineering, Russia is among the top world powers. Nuclear reactors are also mechanical engineering, jet engines are also mechanical engineering, including civil engineering. By the way, for some reason, the United States is not afraid of the division of labor, and when iPhones are produced in China, out of some fright, Russia is directly obliged to do everything by itself. Russia is doing what is needed. And now branded cars are assembled here, and televisions, etc.

Quote: Beringovsky

I do not know of such countries that can make excellent weapons without having powerful civil engineering

So that's why you don't know anything For we have the most powerful civil engineering. Raise your head from your smartphone Who builds cars and locomotives, who assembles PD-14 and starts production of MS-21 and Superjet, who have all the shipbuilding slipways loaded up to their throats. Who builds nuclear reactors? Who builds chemical reactors, rectification columns, etc. Who builds launch vehicles and satellites? Or do you think this is not mechanical engineering? Compared to 2019. machine tool building in 2020 has grown by as much as 2,4 times. For the machine tool strategy has been adopted and is valid. For more than three years Stankomashstroy has been exporting its machines to Germany, Hungary, etc. At the beginning of this year, the plant produced its 1000 machine, which went to Denmark. While you are here scribbling, our machine-tool industry, having received state support, is already attacking Germany. Which by the way buys our harvesters. We supply agricultural machinery to Germany, France, the Netherlands and Austria, not to mention others. Or is it not mechanical engineering? Next time, prepare better and write comments.

[Alex777]

No ... No peresvet.

There is. On alert. The silo covers.

The dagger is just an Iskander suspended under Mig31.

You are wrong again. The Dagger, unlike Iskander, has the ability to retarget in flight.
And this is a fundamentally new quality. Not the only one. Yeah.

The swing for fifty Tu-160 is certainly good, only the execution looks unrealistic.

What, have all the deadlines been broken? No. The work is going according to plan.

Like Armata and Su 57

Russia has no plans to surpass everyone on the planet.
We have reasonable sufficiency. I like.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: Alex777

There is. On alert. The silo covers.

What covers, excuse me?

Quote: Alex777

You are wrong again. The Dagger, unlike Iskander, has the ability to retarget in flight.
And this is a fundamentally new quality. Not the only one. Yeah.

Yeah, but in Niva Urban there are cup holders, and this is also a fundamentally new quality that makes it a completely new car ... here

Quote: Alex777

What, have all the deadlines been broken? No. The work is going according to plan.

And what are your plans? Share, pzhsta ...
And then, by the year 20, there were plans to produce 2300 Armat and 300 Su57, and where is all this?

[Alex777]

What covers, excuse me?

Do you know what Peresvet is?

Yeah, but in Niva Urban there are cup holders, and this is also a fundamentally new quality that makes it a completely new car ... here

And then, by the year 20, there were plans to produce 2300 Armat and 300 Su57, and where is all this?

You just have to find fault with something?
All the weapons that Russia needs, she either already has, or will soon be. People work.
You don't have to worry about it.
He who has eyes, let him see.

[Atlant-1164]

let them enjoy this spectacle And again Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 in various modifications. at MAKS .. than over your heads .. anywhere in Washington)

[Orange bigg]

And again Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 in various modifications. We were talking about these strategic assets of the Russian Aerospace Forces. But the expected premiere of PAK DA never took place.

I wonder how it is there?

.MOSCOW, January 13 - RIA Novosti, Nikolay Protopopov. Strategic missile carriers Tu-160 and Tu-95 are still the main air argument of the Russian nuclear triad, however, despite regular modernization, their resource is limited. These machines will be replaced by a promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA). The Ministry of Defense has already decided on its appearance, and the engine tests will begin in 2021. About what the new "strategist" will be - in the material of RIA Novosti.

The start of construction of a prototype bomber was reported in May last year, in December it became known about the first engine assembled for it. Alexei Sobolev, the managing director of the UEC-Kuznetsov enterprise, said that the power plant with the index "Product of the Russian Federation" is made in "hardware" and is being prepared for bench tests scheduled for the beginning of the year. altitude conditions and in the flying laboratory.

The project is classified, there is little information in the public domain. It is known that so-called stealth technologies were widely used in a promising aircraft. More powerful, efficient and economical engines will increase the flight duration up to 30 hours (for the Tu-160 - 25).

https://ria.ru/20210113/bombardirovschik-1592746727.html

A member of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission, Sergei Smirnov, said that Russian aviation enterprises are preparing for the production of the first prototypes of a promising long-range aviation complex.

“A complex of development work is being implemented. Together with the customer, the appearance of the aircraft was determined. There is a phased transfer of working design documentation to the manufacturing plant, preparations are underway for the production of prototypes, "RIA Novosti quotes Smirnov as saying.

https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/886606-rossiya-obrazcy-stels-bombardirovschik

The first PAK DA flight is promised in 2025, which means that the PAK DA prototype will be presented at MAKS 2023, and in 2 years it will make its first flight, just as the Su-2021 prototype was shown at MAKS 75, which will make its first flight in a couple of years.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: OrangeBigg

This means that a prototype of the PAK DA will be presented at MAKS 2023, and in 2 years it will make its first flight, just as at MAKS 2021 they showed a prototype of the Su-75, which will make its first flight in a couple of years.

This does not mean anything like that. PAK YES to the last will be kept under a veil of secrecy

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Well, let them wait a little longer and get what they are waiting for.

[paul3390]

I don't really understand at all - why force the PAK YES. Modern cruise missiles fly as much as 5 thousand km - what's the big difference, from which side to launch them? Why is the same TU-95 bad for this? I am already silent about the TU-160.

[Orange bigg]

The Tu-95 is bad because it is not eternal and is not created using stealth technology.

[paul3390]

Why do you need stealth for 5 km ?? In addition, it is still not very clear what is in it from PR and what is from the real meaning ..

[Orange bigg]

Stealth is a requirement for all new generation combat vehicles, fighters and strategic bombers as well. So that's a strange question.
Something was announced officially.

.
"Product 80" is a "flying wing" with a takeoff weight of 145 tons and a payload of 30 tons. PAK DA is almost two times lighter than Tu-160 and is between Tu-22M3 and Tu-95MS in weight. Tu-160 weighs 275 tons, Tu-95MS - 185 tons and Tu-22M3 weighs 124 tons. The commander-in-chief of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces Anatoly Yakovlev said that the PAK DA will be an aircraft created according to the "flying wing" scheme with a subsonic speed and a flight range of 15000 km without refueling. The aircraft will be equipped with two 23-tonne RF Product engines based on the NK-32-02 engine (Product R). The UEC-Kuznetsov company started its development in December 2014.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3088125.html

[Alex777]

Paul!
A modern bomber jacket must be economical, reliable, unobtrusive, protected and not too expensive to operate. IMHO.
Whether the Tu-95 fits all this is a difficult question.
As well as a difficult question, which is more profitable: to upgrade the product, the first flight of which took place in 1956, or to build a new one. With a toilet.

[avg avg]

Update the training manual! Tu-95MS made its first flight in 1979. There is a toilet (chemical) on the plane, as well as a kitchen.

[Alex777]

What does the training manual have to do with it? You are at the wrong address.
That there is a toilet is good news.
What is the meaning of your message?
That PAK YES is not needed?

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: paul3390

Why do you need stealth for 5 km ?? In addition, it is still not very clear what is in it from PR and what is from the real meaning ..

Fashion now is to do everything supposedly invisible !!! Lockheed Martin is an analogue of Zaitsev, and we must already follow fashion and trend, otherwise who will buy a "plate", albeit a high-speed one, with unimaginable ... unimaginable flight qualities, but without stealth? ?? !!!

[Kayala]

As for me, this notorious stealth is more and more from the evil one. I don't believe it works at all. The plane, in addition to the radiation from the surface, also leaves a contrail, plus the temperature of the nozzle, and I suspect that this is not the only thing.
I believe that the mass takeoff will be detected from satellites, and the air defense systems are not standing still.

[Babay Atasovich]

What stupidity ... I'm talking about fashion, and you are talking about crafty costs! Just like in advertising - who will be the first to create a new trend! For example, tomorrow Sukhoi will create an airplane that, without threat to life, can turn 3 ° in 98 seconds - not 90, but 98 !!! New trend - new opportunities - new huge grandmas !!! Look at everything modern through the prism of income! And everything will fall into place

[alch3mist]

The plane, in addition to the radiation from the surface, also leaves a contrail, plus the temperature of the nozzle, and I suspect that this is not the only thing.
I believe that the mass takeoff will be detected from satellites, and the air defense systems are not standing still.

Even before the real fiasco of the F-117 in Yugoslavia, he was poured into the cinema by the thermal signature: "Under Siege-2" with the old Sigal.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Tu-95 is bad because it is not eternal and is not created using stealth technology.

And how will ours be seen, or how is B-2 now visible with its wing area according to observations from satellites? Will stealth help you hide from observation from above when the planes find and watch them from the satellite?

[Konnick]

I don't really understand at all - why force the PAK YES. Modern cruise missiles fly as much as 5 thousand km - what's the big difference, from which side to launch them? Why is the same TU-95 bad for this? I am already silent about the TU-160.

From an aircraft carrier, patrolling closer to the enemy, it will fly much faster and can be more powerful, since the warhead can be heavier in terms of the weight of the fuel required "as much as 5 thousand km." And missiles from an aircraft carrier of the same power will be cheaper than long-range missiles. RD is cheaper, as it is designed for a shorter operating time.

[t-12]

"Loitering closer to the enemy" is much more likely to be shot down at "X hour". So you still have to patrol in the depths of your territory.

And if so, then it is generally not clear why all this is better than mines and PGRK.

[URAL72]

"Loitering closer to the enemy" is much more likely to be shot down at "X hour"

You yourself answered your own question. Stealth technology is needed to be noticed not from 5 thousand km, but, say, from 1 thousand. Then you can use, say, Zircon with the same range. There are other developments as well.

[t-12]

"so that you are noticed not from 5 thousand km., but let's say from 1 thousand" - this is not good. We do not know for certain from what distance we are noticed. What if we think that we have super-stealth, but they see us over 5 thousand km? Therefore, regardless of stealth, you will have to fly deep into the territory - in order to have time to launch missiles in the event of a surprise attack.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: t-12

So you still have to patrol in the depths of your territory.

... and the enemy's awesome air defense will get there! I understand you. While the PAK DA is being built, the Patriots will be able to shoot not only backwards, but also over the horizon!

[skif8013]

Quote: paul3390

I don't really understand at all - why force the PAK YES. Modern cruise missiles fly as much as 5 thousand km - what's the big difference, from which side to launch them? Why is the same TU-95 bad for this? I am already silent about the TU-160.

Totally agree with you. PAKDA, in my opinion, is simply not needed by our aviation. No new aircraft is needed, but with the frantic pace of development in rocketry and radar, the PAKDA can simply be an expensive target.

[skif8013]

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Quote: skif8013

Quote: paul3390

I don't really understand at all - why force the PAK YES. Modern cruise missiles fly as much as 5 thousand km - what's the big difference, from which side to launch them? Why is the same TU-95 bad for this? I am already silent about the TU-160.

Totally agree with you. PAKDA, in my opinion, is simply not needed by our aviation. No new aircraft is needed, but with the frantic pace of development in rocketry and radar, the PAKDA can simply be an expensive target.

Dear minuses, where are the arguments? If you do not agree, write, and do not stupidly minus. As for me, Carcasses would be better done. It would be cheaper and more efficient.

[Adimius38]

to PAK-DA, oh, how far. Faster than the B-21 Raider will go into series

[out of habit]

Hopefully, PAK DA will be ordered for videoconferencing, without waiting for "interest from foreign customers", as has already been the custom.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: out of habit

Hopefully, PAK DA will be ordered for videoconferencing, without waiting for "interest from foreign customers", as has already been the custom.

Have you seen somewhere that foreign customers order strategic bombers on the side? This is not a light fighter. In my opinion, now only China, Russia and the United States are making stealth strategists and, moreover, only for themselves.

[out of habit]

I haven't seen a lot of things that happen today. The bomber strategist and the nuclear submarine are somewhere nearby, right?

[Orange bigg]

The bomber strategist and the nuclear submarine are somewhere nearby, right?

Air and sea components of the nuclear triad. In terms of importance for the security of the country nearby.

[URAL72]

I think he did not mean the SSBN, but the nuclear submarine Nerpa rented by India. It's just that a person doesn't know that for the first time the Indians rented a nuclear submarine back in the USSR.

[out of habit]

You are amazingly discerning . That's exactly what I mean. And what difference does that make? There is only one step from rent to sale.

[Orange bigg]

Changes a lot. Nobody will ever lease SSBNs, since the same Anglo-Saxons, through the Indians, will be able to reveal the secrets of submarine missile carriers, which will simplify the task of fighting them and, as a result, harm the country's security, as well as with strategic bombers.

[out of habit]

You have convinced me.

[aries2200]

It was necessary to show a golden toilet bowl for the pilot what was planned on the aeroplane. a defect of the PR specialists of the exhibition ... pictures pictures and pictures ...

[Ros 56]

Striped will do without our PAK-DA, we are not in a hurry.

[Orange bigg]

Probably they wanted to find the American roots of the PAK DA, as they already found the American roots in the Su-75.

[Jacket in stock]

There is no PAKDA, because the plant and the design bureau are busy primarily with the renewal (and, in fact, with the development again) of the old man Tu160. Thousands of people and hundreds of businesses across Russia are catching up with yesterday instead of preparing tomorrow.

[Orange bigg]

Work on the Tu-160M2 and PAK DA is being carried out in parallel. Do not forget that the PAK YES would not have been done before, due to the fact that the engine for it must first be developed and tested, and after weighing all the pros and cons, a decision was made on the Tu-160M2. By the way, deliveries of NK-32-02 also failed repeatedly, but still the engine went into mass production.

... However, there is one more point. Relatively recently, the command of the Aerospace Forces realized what a powerful machine is the Tu-160 missile carrier, which is inferior to the next generation B-2 bomber only in stealth. And it was decided to upgrade it to the Tu-160M2 modification, equipping it with new avionics and more powerful weapons.

The Tupolev Design Bureau is modernizing the missile carrier in parallel with the creation of the PAK DA. And this explains the shift in the timing of the development of a promising bomber. True, this has certain advantages. Since work on two topics is being carried out in parallel, some of the results obtained in the development of a new generation bomber will be introduced into the Tu-160M2.

The problem of creating an engine also shifts the first flight of the bomber along the timeline somewhat. The company that creates the engine for the PAK DA is not officially named. However, apparently, this case is being dealt with by the Samara Design Bureau. Kuznetsov. It is assumed that the engine will be created on the basis of the NK-32 used in the Tu-160 missile carrier.

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/171566/

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Tupolev Design Bureau is modernizing the missile carrier in parallel with the creation of the PAK DA. And this explains the shift in the timing of the development of a promising bomber.

TE everyone knows this.
But for some reason they give me disadvantages for this?

[bar]

But the expected premiere of PAK DA never took place.

Should have? What for? He is a strategist, he has zero export potential, he is exclusively for his own use. There is no need to lure buyers into it. What's the point of showing it?

[t-12]

For a potential adversary to see, to get scared and not to meddle with us.

[Ross xnumx]

the US press complains that there was no presentation of PAK YES at MAKS-2021

And here the Hero of Russia complains about the development of the aviation industry:

Look, you will be shocked!

[family tree]

Duc from the thirty-first flashlight let them go away. And then after all, myocardial infarction, and such a scar

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Quote: Alex777

I'm also afraid about the Lada with VNEU, they distracted attention, and the good old Varshavyanka ...

I agree with everything except Varshavyanka.

VNEU air is not needed due to the range of strike weapons

Non-submarines need not only launch rockets.
Autonomy 3-4 weeks without surfacing is necessary and important.
The only question is how this problem will be solved technically.

The emergence of new types of lithium-ion batteries made it possible to create a new effective product - batteries based on lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries. Like other types of lithium-ion batteries, this type of battery has a high energy density per unit mass - more than 100 Wh / kg, which is about 3 times higher than that of lead-acid batteries.

[Keer]

Until all the borders and tiles are replaced for the thirtieth time, there will be no God's blessing.

[Kep370]

Quote: alch3mist

Even before the real F-117 fiasco in Yugoslavia

From this place in more detail ...

[Andrey Mansurov]

Well right. The T-14 has not been seen for a long time. The Armata platform too. How many times did Angara fly? Like we kept everything secret? As with the Kursk? And with Beslan?

[Siegfried]

The PAK DA is still a prototype so much that the demonstration of the plastic PAK DA would have a negative impact on the presentation of the Su-75, which, as it were, is also a prototype, but still in hardware.