Chinese press does not consider Russian fighter The Checkmate a competitor of J-20 and J-31

The Chinese media continue to evaluate the presentation, which took place at MAKS-2021 in Zhukovsky near Moscow. We are talking about the presentation of the concept of a promising Russian light fighter called The Checkmate. Recall that this is a single-engine aircraft, which Sukhoi classified as a fifth generation fighter, indicating its uniquely low price (up to $ 30 million) with a very impressive configuration.

The Checkmate was praised in the Chinese press, while noting that "it is not a competitor and a big threat to either the J-20 or the J-31."

The J-20 fighter is already in service with the Chinese Air Force. And the J-31 continues to go through development stages. The J-31 is primarily positioned as a carrier-based fighter. However, so far the Chinese specialists cannot solve the main problem in the design of this aircraft - the performance characteristics of the engine. The implementation of new technologies using fullerene films has led to excessive fuel consumption, as a result, to a sharp decrease in the range of application.

China notes why The Checkmate is not viewed as a threat to PLA Air Force fighters. It is indicated that China's main rival in the region, and this is India, has not yet announced its readiness to acquire a promising Russian light fighter. In this regard, according to the Chinese media, China "will have a key advantage over India in terms of the development of the Air Force and the availability of fifth-generation fighters."

They do not see The Checkmate as a competitor in the press in China for the reason that they are confident in "improving their own aviation engines that will allow the J-20 and J-31 to achieve additional advantages in the air. " These are WS-15 engines, which for several years have not been able, as they say, to bring to mind in China.

_{5th generation Chinese fighter J-20}

So far, the problem is related to the maneuverability of these aircraft, which is significantly inferior to the maneuverability of many 4th generation fighters, including the Russian Su-35S.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

The J-20 fighter is already in service with the Chinese Air Force.
Neither add nor diminish.

[Utes]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The J-20 fighter is already in service with the Chinese Air Force.
Neither add nor diminish.

Well, the Chinese are still more modest than we are sitting there quietly stamping))) ..
Ours are being tested in a real combat situation ... So the comparison is not entirely correct!
And yet, China is great! Taking off my hat ..

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Utes

Well, the Chinese are still more modest than we are sitting there quietly stamping))) ..
Ours are being tested in a real combat situation ... So the comparison is not entirely correct!
And yet, China is great! Taking off my hat ..

And the engines on them are Al-31 ... And nothing, they are "not hovering", said the 5th, which means the fifth, they said "invisible", which means invisible ... Not even AL-41 !!! As in our 35s ... It's not even double standards, and I don't even know what to call ... Triple? So let them show off. And we will finish the product 30, and put it on the 57th, and on this new one. Until then, the AL-41 will be enough for him. Also on afterburner 15 tons. And the deflected thrust vector. Product 30 is just a couple of tons more powerful. At partial load, the flight characteristics will be quite normal. Close to expected.

[UGM157]

Chinese WS-10C - 14-15 tons, J10C, J16, J20. (AL-41F1 Only 14,5 tons) Future, WS-15 17-18 tons

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: UGM157

Future, WS-15 17-18 tons

They also write on the fences. They want 18 tons. In the meantime, 15 barely barely.

[NIKN]

I could not copy a picture from the text on my smartphone. only signature ...

5th generation Chinese fighter J-20

And terrible, God forbid dreaming ...

[Castro Ruiz]

17-18 tons for the WS-15 is just a wet dream. Yeshcho will not be for a long time.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Until the Chickmate flies in, it's hard to say which plane is better. We gain patience and wait, sir.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Utes

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The J-20 fighter is already in service with the Chinese Air Force.
Neither add nor diminish.

Well, the Chinese are still more modest than we are sitting there quietly stamping))) ..
Ours are being tested in a real combat situation ... So the comparison is not entirely correct!
And yet, China is great! Taking off my hat ..

What if Checkmate exists only as a layout ?!

[Dim Dimych_2]

I wonder how much a bobble will be allocated for this layout?

[datura23]

I wonder how much a bobble will be allocated for this layout?
What do you care about our bob

[Ramadan]

"I wonder how much the bobble will be allocated for this layout?"

If we paraphrase a little the dialogue between Khoma and the Cossacks from the work "Viy", then the answer is simple - a sufficient number))))

[Utes]

Chinese press does not consider Russian fighter The Checkmate a competitor of J-20 and J-31

Well, let's see more Chinese .. Ours are tested in hostilities, and yours, and even serial ones, only fly in parades?
The British engines caught fire and the electronics were silent.
Eh, the Chinese, if only we could organize patrolling together with us .. The effect would be Huge!

[EvilLion]

Well, since there is nothing better than this squalor, they supply it. I do not understand why the release of an artifact, which has neither a normal engine, nor weapons, with aerodynamics from the 80s is perceived as some kind of breakthrough.

[Adimius38]

The Chinese are right, they win in almost everything (in funding, opportunities for mass production, etc.)

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Adimius38

The Chinese are right, they win in virtually everything.

Except for the engines. That's when they will put their own, then we will compare.

[Adimius38]

engines are a matter of time and they are already close enough to making good reliable engines. I am generally silent about the space program, because we are already lagging behind. Russia is eating up the Soviet legacy, engine building, space technologies - the bulk of the legacy of the late USSR - INCLUDING - The best of the Best, which has no analogues - the end of the 80s. And for example, the best of the best nuclear submarines YASEN, the beginning of development 1977, the Borei nuclear submarine at the end of the 80s, the KA-52 helicopter was converted from the serial KA-50 which flew in 1982. Mi-28 first flew in 1982. There is much more to go on. The Chinese are advancing by leaps and bounds and we cannot keep up with them in any case, because Russia has long been not the USSR with its might in production and industry and technical development. Alas, the collapse of the USSR threw the country back many years. In ten years, China will have all the necessary technology and will be the world leader.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Adimius38

engines are a matter of time and they are already close enough to making good reliable engines.

They have been repeating exactly this in your words for the last 20 years!
Do you know that back in the 90s they BOUGHT a license for the production of AL-31 engines for the Su-27. And they still buy these engines from Salyut!

[Ramadan]

"In ten years, China will have all the necessary technology and will be the world leader."

With money like China's, it would be surprising not to take such steps!
And with our money it is good that we have what we have.

[Utes]

Quote: Adimius38

The Chinese are right, they win in almost everything (in funding, opportunities for mass production, etc.)

So yes .. Here their fighting spirit is weak .. Everyone is waiting for "when the enemy's corpse will float along the river (first the USA, then Russia ..))))
So far, there is not a single military operation on their account! There are a lot of weapons, and thanks to the USSR, Stalin stood at the origins of Chinese statehood in the current format ... I hope they remember this

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Utes

So far, there is not a single military operation on their account!

Well, no, there is! In 79th Vietnam was attacked. Numbering almost half a million troops. We got on the sopatka and rolled back. Since then, only with the Indians in the mountains ... Well, the Indians are still warriors ...

[EvilLion]

There, however, even the USSR from the north threatened with a finger in the form of divisions deployed on the border.

[t-12]

What about aircraft carriers? We also need to show the model of the aircraft carrier. Called "The Chessboard". And millions of comments are provided.

[Serg 122]

Then "The shape Carrier". Since the menageri cannot come up with Russian names for domestic weapons ...

[SSR]

At first I also spat, then after talking with some people, I reduced my skepticism. They made the most of the used elements and technologies from the SU-57, this already greatly simplifies the process.
The question remains to the engine, how there are visual differences from the existing ones.
PS.
I finally got an answer as to why ours do not use a flashlight.
The answer was so simple, specific and effective that I am now ashamed.

[PN]

Duck, give me a hint why? Cheaper to manufacture?

[Alex Kozyrev]

I think there are several reasons. Cheaper, lighter in weight, stronger, less resistance. They also call reasons such as a simpler bailout, there is no distortion of the view. But I'm not an expert, this is my opinion based on different data))

[SSR]

Crap.)))

Quote: Alex Kozyrev

Also called reasons such as a simpler bailout,

And safe.
When shooting the entire flashlight at high speed, there is a big threat to the pilot due to the oncoming air currents, and when the visor remains, the seat fires off norms and the risks are less.

Quote: Region-25.rus

But still?

As I understand it, the bug should have given a better view, but the F-35, despite the bug, has a poor view. Having weighed all the pros and cons, ours are doing as before.

[Region-25.rus]

The answer was so simple, specific and effective that I am now ashamed.

But still?

[From Tomsk]

Whose cow mooing, they cannot finish their engine since the 90s.

[Machete]

China is the world's industrial site. With a population of 1.4 yards. God himself ordered the development of the military-industrial complex at an unprecedented pace.
Do not equate with us. Now, probably, the USSR would not have been able to compete with them.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Machete

... Now, probably, the USSR could not compete with them.

Yes, hardly in terms of quantity, but quality could be competed with. By the way, the PRC did not follow the path of the development of the USSR in the post-Stalin period. Moreover, their helmsman Mao, to whose precepts the Chinese are still faithful, called the Soviet leadership revisionists.
To our great regret, our leadership was devoured by love for servility and toadying, lies and hypocrisy, an irresistible craving for privileges and differences from the ordinary population. And it was also ruined by a blind faith in one's own infallibility and underestimation of the potential of nations that did not need to be publicly laughed at.

[datura23]

history has shown that Mao was right, Stalin is still honored in the PRC, unlike us

[EvilLion]

To develop the military-industrial complex, you need to have your own economy, and not be an appendage for the production of sneakers and smartphones.

[Jacket in stock]

Competitors in what?
Are we going to sell the Su75 to China?
Or are the Chinese offering their J20s to the Arabs?
It seems not, it means that there are definitely no competitors for the sales markets.

[Zaurbek]

In terms of turbojet engine and weight, the competitor is both J10 ... and J31 and F16 and Grippen and EF2000 and Rafal. If everything goes as stated

[impostor]

China has two ways: 1. Either shoot down UFOs and torture aliens, as the Ames did in Zone-51, where the poor were cut to pieces alive, or as the Soviets, who shot down, but the campaign verbanirovat brothers in mind on the idea of ​​socialism. 2. Or somehow manage to make the WS-15 quick-detachable in the field and equip each sold fighter with a dozen replaceable engines in order to somehow provide a resource.

[Ros 56]

Don't give a damn what these plagiarists think.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

A guy and a girl walk past the restaurant.
Girl - Mmm how delicious food smells
Guy - Would you like to pass by again?

Well, there is no such plane in fact. Yes it will, but more or less clear and without sores in at least 5 years.

[sifgame]

I believe that their J-20 is not a 5th generation aircraft and cannot even withstand the Su-27, any modifications, even the very first ones. Since I broadcast from Russia, and I am a great expert in aviation (tundra, I write comments on the forum in the topvar, then I publish)))), you can next time give my opinion as an all-Russian one. The plane is not yet there, but they are already sure that it is not a competitor)))

[apricot]

In many ways I agree, judge for yourself:
In the last confrontation between China and India, the SU30 of the latter perfectly recognized the J20, after publications in the media about this, China hastily made a rotation;
From the military know-how of the Celestial Empire, apart from loud statements, there is not a single confirmation of the declared characteristics (that for hypersound, that for air defense, submarines, etc.). Unlike the PRC and We, the Americans and Brita and the French provide data even in case of failure. One gets the impression that the PRC is like a sea hedgehog, pouting, wants to seem bigger than it is;
They sell all technological weapons to countries where their combat use is not expected in the near future;

[Ross xnumx]

In the form that the Russian economy currently has, it cannot be competitive with the Chinese. But this does not mean at all (perhaps to the great chagrin of skeptics) that Russia is slurping cabbage soup with bast shoes.
Probably, comparing incomparable things is stupid and hopeless. On the one hand, there is a flying prototype and serial production, on the other, a layout with the declared characteristics. BUT!!! Let's imagine that designers and developers manage to create what they want. In six years, will the aircraft with the declared value and performance characteristics be produced in such quantities that it really competes with the Chinese one? In all honesty ... you need to try so hard to make the "shakhimats" fly off the conveyor like pies. One, two and even three ready-made aircraft per month - "kuramnasmeh".
No one will wait for the unrealizable, no matter what tales they tell about “it”.

[Heel]

it cannot have a declared value, there is simply no reason why chess will turn out to be cheaper than the SU-30, all of its nodes separately are more expensive than that of the SU-30, and assembled it cannot be cheaper, well, one less engine, but not 30 lamas is the engine that would go down from 60 to 30M,
so far, the announced price looks fantastic, but if the dry one meets 60m, it will still be the best offer on the market

[kventinasd]

Whatever the Chinese say, but at Aviadarts, that in Russia, at home, they constantly deal with their planes, albeit not of the latest modifications. But this fact is confirmed from year to year.

[Adimius38]

I'm not talking about tanks at all their Chinese tanks are losing rollers on our comb

[Alex Kozyrev]

For some reason, when assessing a threat, many people forget that they need to look at the complex. Maneuverability, speed ... and electronics and, most importantly, weapons are somehow bypassed.

[vass]

So many planes have been created and released that there is simply no Russian name! Our officials want to be closer to the west, and therefore will soon propose to change the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin script, as in Kazakhstan. How clumsy it all is ...

[kig]

How interesting they commented ... they do not consider a competitor, but not because it does not exist yet, but because of their engines, which also do not exist.