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The US press drew attention to the V-shaped plumage of the Russian Su-75 The Checkmate

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While some American media have doubts about the "Russian origin" of the development of The Checkmate fighter, others note its obvious technological innovations. So, in the Forbes edition, attention is paid to how the plumage of a fifth-generation light single-engine aircraft was implemented in Russia.


An author in an American magazine writes about the V-shaped tail of the aircraft, the name of which can be translated as "Check and checkmate". This version of the tail, as the observer points out, improves radar stealth.

In addition, it is indicated that the very tail of this format requires special control systems for the flight being carried out. Accordingly, the level of computerization will increase, and artificial intelligence technology will be introduced.

By the way, representatives of Rostec and UAC spoke about the use of AI at The Checkmate during the presentation of a promising single-engine aircraft. Artificial intelligence at the first stage will allow "unloading" the pilot when performing combat missions, and later will become the basis for the implementation of the plan to create an unmanned version of The Checkmate.

Calling the promising Russian Su-75 fighter, the American press writes that the implemented concept of the fighter's tail allows to reduce fuel consumption and achieve super-maneuverability with minimal expenditure of resources. At the same time, this option ultimately makes it possible to implement a deck version of such an aircraft.

Earlier, the Chinese media noted the low declared value of The Checkmate. If in the "basic configuration" it really amounts to up to $ 30 million, then, as Chinese journalists write, the aircraft can get a serious advantage in the world combat market. aviation.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 July 2021 07: 09
    +30
    The US press drew attention to the V-shaped plumage of the Russian Su-75 The Checkmate
    "On the third day, Sharp Eye noticed that the shed had no back wall ..." laughing

    Well, the V-shaped tail unit was used in aviation even at a time when only the most violent science fiction writers invented AI.
    1. Peak
      Peak 22 July 2021 07: 26
      +17
      Glory to the Eggs ! Finally noticed, saw, saw yes

      On the Su-57, "V-shaped tail unit"they magically did not notice ...

      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 22 July 2021 07: 28
        +12
        Quote: PiK
        On the Su-57, the "V-shaped tail", they magically did not notice ...
        And there is something else besides laughter laughing , there are collapsed keels combined with conventional stabilizers.
        1. Peak
          Peak 22 July 2021 07: 55
          -6
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          And there is something else, besides laughing, there are collapsed keels in combination with conventional stabilizers.


          Where can we go without eggs ... lol - The same eggs, only in profile.

          Quote: PiK
          Glory to the Eggs! Finally noticed
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 22 July 2021 07: 47
        +2
        Quote: PiK
        they magically didn't notice.

        Glasses rubbed and noticed yes
    2. nnm
      nnm 22 July 2021 07: 39
      +6
      And here's another thing that's interesting to me - Rostec also announced that an unmanned version would be prepared. But either many missed it, or they are not expecting such a version very soon. But everything is discussed, but not the drone version.
      1. PN
        PN 22 July 2021 07: 45
        +11
        Well, after the “Okhotnik” UAV has been tested, the unmanned version of the new aircraft will be dealt with quickly.
      2. atalef
        atalef 22 July 2021 07: 54
        -65%
        Quote: nnm
        But everything is discussed, but not the drone version.

        Yes, you have been here for the 3rd day already dancing with tambourines
        1. The whole world has already described itself, and yes, huh ... from su-75
        2. States in a panic
        3. The Pentagon does not sleep at night
        4.the whole world is already in line for him
        5.F-35 is just pathetic bullshit
        etc
        and you still propose to discuss the version - drone laughing
        The people in ecstasy have already divided not only the skin of the unkilled bear, but also the skins of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. laughing
        but the truth is that the Su-75 is not just not there, it is not at all.
        There is a layout, layout Karl !!!
        Someone understands that the model is not an airplane, far from an airplane and not an airplane at all.
        How all otgolyatsya over American experts who said that this is just a mock-up.
        And ...?
        Realize and accept reality - this plane is not much different from cartoons.
        Only some are drawn, and the second are plasticine.
        actually on max showed a replacement for the maize. This is real.
        And this is beautiful, but alas request
        1. Peak
          Peak 22 July 2021 07: 59
          +26
          Quote: atalef
          5.F-35 is just pathetic bullshit


          This item is spoken about long ago and justified yes and without Su - 75.
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 July 2021 08: 11
            -45%
            Quote: PiK
            Quote: atalef
            5.F-35 is just pathetic bullshit


            This item is spoken about long ago and justified yes

            This is what they say to you, because you all live in some kind of reality that is separate from all of you.
            F 35 - produced serially, fights and is put into service, and they stand in line behind it.
            This is reality
            su 57 is not accepted for service, is not mass-produced and no one is going to buy it (at least for now)
            Su - 75 - layout, the layout is not an airplane, nor flies and differs little from the same storyteller from

            This is reality.
            And your reality is fairy tales that you tell yourself and believe in them.
            1. nnm
              nnm 22 July 2021 08: 24
              +34
              Paramog:
              Quote: atalef
              F 35 - produced serially, fights and is put into service, and they stand in line behind it.
              This is reality

              Zrada: "The F-35 remains in every sense nothing more than an expensive prototypelaunched into mass production, "says Dan Grazer, an employee of the government oversight project based on the latest report from the US Department of Defense." https://rg.ru/2021/03/01/forbes-vvs-ssha-priznali-proval-proekta-f -35.html

              Paramog:
              Quote: atalef
              su 57 is not accepted for service, is not mass-produced and no one is going to buy it (at least for now)

              Zrada: "Ministry of Defense ordered delivery of 76 Su-57 fighters "https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5d14cad09a79474a064bb639
              1. Runoway
                Runoway 22 July 2021 08: 39
                +18
                The F-35 remains, in every sense, nothing more than an expensive prototype.

                The F-35 is primarily a brilliant business project, on the sale of which Lockheed will earn so much that he will secretly make a "new iPhone" and after a "year" will make the previous version so irrelevant that all members of the alliance will have to buy a new one. wassat
                And with such income, you can always provide your country with security and domination.
              2. atalef
                atalef 22 July 2021 11: 26
                -26%
                Quote: nnm
                Zrada: "The Ministry of Defense has ordered the delivery of 76 Su-57 fighters" https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5d14cad09a79474a064bb639

                It is not accepted for service and is not mass-produced - did not quite understand the connection with the order of mo?

                Quote: nnm
                Zrada: "The F-35 remains, in every sense, nothing more than an expensive prototype launched into mass production," says an employee of the government project

                You are strange people - f35 is serially produced, put into service, participates in the database, there are queues behind it - but you are sure that this is a prototype
                The su 57 has none of this list - but it's an airplane.
                I say, you live in a parallel universe.
                1. Seryoga64
                  Seryoga64 22 July 2021 15: 47
                  +5
                  Quote: atalef
                  participates in the database,

                  Which ones and where?
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu
                    Sergey Sfiedu 24 July 2021 02: 27
                    0
                    US Marine Corps - Afghanistan and Iraq ..
                    Israeli Air Force - Syria.
                    Royal Navy Air Force - Iraq.
                  2. kig
                    kig 24 July 2021 02: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Seryoga64
                    Which ones and where?


                    Israel in Syria
                    USA in Afghanistan and Iraq
                    There is even a wiki about it. And, by the way, on VO:
                    https://topwar.ru/157530-f-35a-vvs-ssha-vpervye-ispolzovan-v-boevoj-missii.html
            2. URAL72
              URAL72 22 July 2021 08: 33
              +26
              Don't underestimate Russia and its aviation industry. The new fighter uses the Su-57 and S-70 developments. In fact, there is nothing particularly new, something that was developed specifically for this car. Fuselage only. Therefore, it will be done quickly, efficiently and cheaply. The main costs are borne by the two machines I have indicated. They are also used for the development and testing of components and assemblies. This will significantly accelerate adoption and certification. We are still working on the software, engine and some systems for the Su-57. As soon as all this is ready, consider the Su-75 ready.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 July 2021 11: 28
                -19%
                Quote: URAL72
                engine and some systems for the Su-57. As soon as all this is ready, consider the Su-75 ready.

                Here are those times belay
                1. Dart
                  Dart 22 July 2021 18: 42
                  +3
                  -And those two! -Müller thought, and threw the second brick.
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              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 22 July 2021 09: 32
                +18

                neri73-r (neri73-r)
                Today, 08: 49
                F 35 - produced serially, fights and is put into service, and they stand in line behind it.
                This is reality

                We know your turn from the states, this "line" is correctly characterized by the phrase from the legendary film "Heart of a Dog" - "In line, in line, sons of bitches!" And God forbid you do something yourself or buy not from us!
                this atalef (alexander) is useless to prove something. He is here for this purpose and is set to cast a shadow over the fence on EVERYTHING Russian.
            4. ultra
              ultra 22 July 2021 09: 03
              +11
              The Su-57 was put into service and mass-produced.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 July 2021 11: 29
                -23%
                Quote: ultra
                The Su-57 was put into service and mass-produced.

                Seriously?
                MoE statement for service.
                Sound the episode.
                Thank you.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 22 July 2021 12: 55
                  +10
                  76 aircraft until 28, this year 4, from the next to 12.
                2. ultra
                  ultra 22 July 2021 13: 00
                  +8
                  Regarding the documents on acceptance into service, contact the RF Ministry of Defense, I am sure they will be happy to provide you with all the documents. laughing
            5. smart ass
              smart ass 22 July 2021 09: 29
              -27%
              The man says business, why did they minus ?!
            6. Alex777
              Alex777 22 July 2021 11: 11
              +7
              And your reality is fairy tales that you tell yourself and believe in them.

              Nothing will help you. Even the inclusion of the name of God in the nickname. yes
            7. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 22 July 2021 15: 45
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              is at war and put into service

              So where is he fighting?
            8. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 23 July 2021 10: 30
              +1
              You are delusional. The Su-57 is still mass-produced. And the fact that everyone was not informed - do not overestimate PR.
            9. Victorio
              Victorio 23 July 2021 11: 09
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              А your reality - these are fairy tales that you tell yourself and believe in them

              ===
              ) probably this reality is to your liking, since you are constantly rubbing here.
        2. nnm
          nnm 22 July 2021 08: 18
          +33
          Dear colleague, let's start with OUR dances. Let's see together with you a digest of the Western press for the last couple of days on the topic of this aircraft:
          1. Форбс: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/07/21/russias-new-stealth-fighter-might-be-a-high-flier/?sh=a15cc06a6e64
          2. Profile Amer edition: https://www.airforcemag.com/new-russian-fighter-in-f-35-class-echoes-jsf-designs/
          3. Not Western, but Chinese: https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/world/2021-07-21/doc-ikqcfnca8115833.shtml
          4. SAM Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-unveils-checkmate-stealth-jet-with-jibe-at-britain-7bl7hq2mg
          So dancing on this topic, as you have deigned to say, has long gone beyond the scope of OUR discussions.
          Quote: atalef
          Realize and accept reality - this plane is not much different from cartoons.

          Yes, you know, colleague, everything starts with an idea, layout, calculation, etc. Personally, I don’t remember that Rostec would have promised to show the plane already in flight, etc.
          Perhaps you will shout for a long time about cartoons about "Dagger", "Zircon", "Poseidon", "Sarmat", etc. - this is your right. I’ll say more, you can close your eyes, shut your ears and habitually repeat the mantra that the Crimean Bridge is Mosfilm’s tricks and this is completely your right. But whether this makes you closer to reality is a huge question.
          Quote: atalef
          actually on max showed a replacement for the maize. This is real.

          Colleague, do not be trifles so !!!! Write right away that this is a replacement for I-15 bis or something like that. And do not care that the world's leading media are discussing the plane and understand that it will be built, but what some experts from a specialized American military publication can understand, because since you called it cartoons, then so be it, right?
          Best regards, colleague ... hi
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 July 2021 08: 28
            -39%
            Quote: nnm
            but what can some experts from a specialized American military publication understand?

            Have you read the article?
            Maybe it says about the reality of Mu 75?
            So through every word - maybe.
            Not there, or maybe - you catch the difference?
            1. nnm
              nnm 22 July 2021 08: 33
              +27
              Colleague, as you read the article, you cannot tell how many times there is a statement that this is a cartoon, that this plane will never be built, etc.? Well, I'm just wondering, otherwise, suddenly, the damned bourgeois are laughing at us, and not discussing that this plane will become a serious enemy ...
              If you do not speak English, then tell me, I will help you with the translation ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 July 2021 08: 40
                -30%
                Quote: nnm
                Colleague, as you read the article, you cannot tell how many times there is a statement that this is a cartoon, that this plane will never be built, etc.? Well, I'm just wondering, otherwise, suddenly, the damned bourgeois are laughing at us, and not discussing that this plane will become a serious enemy ...

                And I said that it will never be?
                Read carefully - I said that he is not, and it is early to arrange dances with tambourines and share the skin.
                As for whether he will be or not - neither you nor I know, I spoke about REALITY - and she is - he is not.
                As for the bourgeois - you should consult Rogozin - he will give you another version of trampolines.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 22 July 2021 08: 42
                  +20
                  Quote: atalef
                  And I said that it will never be?

                  Well, let's see ..... can you tell me how many times this phrase comes across in the article?
                  Quote: atalef
                  So through every word - maybe.


                  prompt? 0 times!
                2. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 22 July 2021 09: 30
                  +18
                  atalef (alexander)
                  Today, 08: 40
                  As for the bourgeois - you should consult Rogozin - he will give you another version of trampolines.
                  "Science" went into space.
                  Jul 22, 01:05 Updated 01:46
                  Proton-M rocket with Nauka module launched from Baikonur
                  it's not for you to bomb the Syrians on jackals, from around the corner. angry
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 22 July 2021 11: 35
                    -18%
                    Quote: aszzz888
                    Proton-M rocket with Nauka module launched from Baikonur

                    Congratulations.
                    In 1995 year by decision of the management of the State Research and Production Center named after Khrunichev, simultaneously with the creation of the Functional Cargo Block "Zarya" (the first module of the ISS), from its own funds the creation of his stunt double has begun in case of an unforeseen situation - FGB-2 (product 77KM No. 17502).

                    It took 30 years to build - a cool example.
                    Su 75 will take the same amount?
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                    2. ultra
                      ultra 22 July 2021 13: 02
                      +6
                      Quote: atalef
                      It took 30 years to build - a cool example.
                      Su 75 will take the same amount?

                      Yes, at least 40! What do you care about that? wassat
        3. aszzz888
          aszzz888 22 July 2021 09: 26
          +6

          atalef (alexander)
          Today, 07: 54
          ... Realize and accept reality - this plane is not much different from cartoons.
          Only some are drawn, and the second are plasticine ...
          fool fool fool
        4. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 22 July 2021 11: 07
          +21
          Okay, would a staff member write that? And in Israel at least there is such a "model" ??? Merkava - GD dviglo, Rheinmetall cannon. I generally keep quiet about airplanes. Sit down, Shura, and don't ...
        5. Svetoch
          Svetoch 22 July 2021 22: 09
          +3
          Karl is not a layout! Karl ..... By direct text, they said that what is on the presentation is not a mock-up and it is he who will rise into the air this year. Karl should listen and look better.
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 July 2021 22: 23
            -9
            Quote: Svetoch
            and it is he who will take to the air this year.

            exactly he?
            judging by the avatar - not Fedor. and father Fyodor

            1. Svetoch
              Svetoch 22 July 2021 22: 28
              +3

              Watch from 2:20 about this year I got it wrong, but otherwise right. If you are too lazy to watch, here is a quote: According to the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar, the plane shown on the cabin will fly in 2023: “This is a sample, this is not just a model, not just a demonstrator. Here he will rise into the air. " In the video above, Yuri Slyusar himself says it.
              PS Judging by the avatar, not alexander, but a mouse.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 July 2021 22: 37
                -13%
                Quote: Svetoch
                Watch from 2:20 about this year I got it wrong, but otherwise right.

                you got it all wrong and don't talk about the timing - you are in Russia and not in Switzerland
                Quote: Svetoch
                According to the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar, the plane shown on the cabin will fly in 2023

                according to Putin, you will all go to Paradise.
                Therefore, you can not take communion
                Quote: Svetoch
                In the video above, Yuri Slyusar himself says it.

                Slusar himself?
                Well. the kid said - the kid did laughing
      3. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 08: 43
        -9
        Quote: nnm
        Rostec also announced that an unmanned version would be prepared. But either many missed it, or they are not expecting such a version very soon. But everything is discussed, but not the drone version

        what do you mean by "unmanned version"? Operator Command Control or Completely Offline Mode? First, one must think, very few people are interested, but the full functionality of the second option is not yet close.
        Even in the west, where they began to deal with this problem much earlier, they are not close to the final result. You can release a tanker drone, even a bomber drone (according to the principle took off - went to the calculated point - got a control center - dropped the ammunition), It is more difficult with a fighter.
    3. DenVB
      DenVB 22 July 2021 09: 19
      -9
      Quote: Vladimir_2U

      Well, the V-shaped tail unit was used in aviation even at a time when only the most violent science fiction writers invented AI.

      Can you try some examples? It is desirable to actually fly, and not just pictures from the books of "violent fantasy".
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 22 July 2021 09: 28
        +12
        Quote: DenVB
        Can you try some examples? It is desirable to actually fly, and not just pictures from the books of "violent fantasy".
        Where are you so gifted climb that? Because only special talent does not allow you to type in the search for something like "V-shaped tail"


        1. DenVB
          DenVB 22 July 2021 09: 29
          -4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Where are you so gifted climb that? Because only special talent does not allow you to type in the search for something like "V-shaped tail"

          Thanks for the examples. And by the way, I'm not rude to you.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 22 July 2021 09: 37
            +7
            Quote: DenVB
            Thanks for the examples. And by the way, I'm not rude to you.

            Not at all.
            Quote: DenVB
            Can you try some examples? It is desirable to actually fly, and not just pictures from the books of "violent fantasy".
            Veiled rudeness is also rudeness.
        2. Constanty
          Constanty 22 July 2021 09: 48
          +9
          Here is the first aircraft with such a solution - Hanriot H.28 (nr 30.83) - summer 1931 - its inventor on the left
    4. svp67
      svp67 22 July 2021 09: 29
      +11
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Well, the V-shaped tail unit was used in aviation even at a time when only the most violent science fiction writers invented AI.

      This option is called "butterfly"
      Here is his testing on the Soviet R-5 aircraft in the 30s of the 20th century.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 22 July 2021 09: 44
        +8
        Invented and patented in 1930 by Jerzy Rudlicki, it is also called the Rudlicki plumage
    5. venik
      venik 22 July 2021 21: 34
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Well, the V-shaped tail unit was used in aviation even at a time when only the most violent science fiction writers invented AI.

      ======
      Well, to be honest - the V-shaped tail and "super-maneuverability" are incompatible concepts ...
      BUT!
      In the presence of a powerful on-board computer and an engine with a "deflected thrust vector" - the maneuverability of the aircraft should be "quite at the level"!!! At least not a bit worse than" Penguin "!
      hi
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 July 2021 03: 55
        +2
        Quote: venik
        Well, to be honest, the V-shaped tail and "super-maneuverability" are incompatible concepts.





        But that's a completely different story!
        1. venik
          venik 23 July 2021 09: 11
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          But that's a completely different story!

          =======
          That's for sure! drinks hi
        2. keeper03
          keeper03 23 July 2021 09: 22
          +2
          Another ?! But what about the Su-57 !? request
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 23 July 2021 09: 25
            +2
            Quote: keeper03
            Another ?! But what about the Su-57

            The Su-57 has stabilizers in stock!
  2. Xlor
    Xlor 22 July 2021 07: 10
    +10
    The US press drew attention to the V-shaped plumage

    Yes, you have to have a very sharp eye to notice this ...
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 22 July 2021 07: 48
      +2
      Quote: Xlor
      Yes, you have to have a very sharp eye,

      Well, they didn't find Vinitu laughing
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 22 July 2021 07: 11
    +14
    Russian fighter Su-75
    Well, the airplane was given a normal name, otherwise it was Checkmate! winked
    1. skif8013
      skif8013 22 July 2021 07: 26
      +10
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Russian fighter Su-75
      Well, the airplane was given a normal name, otherwise it was Checkmate! winked

      Shah Mate, well, we can't do without MATA)
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 22 July 2021 07: 33
        +4
        Quote: skif8013
        we can't do without MATA)

        So they would write, in Russian: mother ... mother ... mother ... otherwise mother, mater, lady, old lady what
        1. novel66
          novel66 22 July 2021 09: 08
          +8
          yes, damn it, and also corvettes and frigates - how did you live without them under the Soviets?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 22 July 2021 09: 13
            +4
            Roma hi I'm surprised myself .... Battleships, cruisers, destroyers, BOD, MPK, BDK and other trifles ...
            Quote: novel xnumx
            How did you live without them under the Soviets?
            1. novel66
              novel66 22 July 2021 09: 18
              +4
              Volodya hi and then a corvette. damn ... frigate, edrit, and what they can. what they want .. fuck him
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 22 July 2021 07: 53
        +6
        Quote: skif8013
        we can't do without MATA)

        Amerv flew to Mars
        Well, the Martians covered them with a dome. They got various modern tools, laser cutters there and other bells and whistles. We worked for two days, pierced the dome. We got out, and there the Martians stand
        - Well, how do you like our technology?
        - Good technique.
        But a week ago, the Russians flew in, so they bombed the dome in an hour with the help of a crowbar and some kind of mother.
    2. KCA
      KCA 22 July 2021 08: 41
      +1
      So in chess, checkmate means checkmate or checkmate
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 22 July 2021 09: 29
        +6
        Quote: KCA
        So in chess, checkmate means checkmate or checkmate
        As our coach used to say during my youth: boxing is not a mindless waving and quick reaction, but first of all the ability to think with your head, plan a fight, study the opponent's technique, as in chess, check is a knockdown (we continue the fight), checkmate is technical knockout or knockout, it's all over, drain the water ...

        I like it if the opponents hit the technique, then the direction is correct. The main thing is that the revision, testing and launch into the series were under the control of "dedicated people", and not responsible persons - sharpened for "cutting the budget dough" ...
  4. Zhan
    Zhan 22 July 2021 07: 17
    +21
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    The US press drew attention to the V-shaped plumage of the Russian Su-75 The Checkmate
    "On the third day, Sharp Eye noticed that the shed had no back wall ..." laughing

    What surprises me most of all is that before the appearance of this hawk, there was not a gram of information in the press.
    Some kind of incomprehensible mental expression, whether they are working on it, or in plans. And then like the devil from the snuffbox .. smile Is it that all the spies in the Sukhoi Design Bureau and its factories were taken out? smile If so, well done ... smile
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 22 July 2021 07: 24
      +9
      Quote: Zhan
      And then like the devil out of the snuffbox .. Is it that all the spies in the Sukhoi Design Bureau and its factories were taken out?

      А shpienam at the factories they said that the drawings were hanging from the Americans and now we are assembling!
      (and the "collapsed" tail was in the F-117)
      1. Peak
        Peak 22 July 2021 07: 38
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And the spies in the factories were told that the drawings were hanging from the Americans and now we are assembling!
        (and the "collapsed" tail was in the F-117)


        Su - 75 The Checkmate - what's this , carefully filed F-117? belay belay belay
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 22 July 2021 10: 16
          +1
          Quote: PiK
          Su - 75 The Checkmate - is that a carefully filed F-117?

          Absolutely spotted !!!
          When I was going to write, I thought about our method of assembling from drawings, but then it "took off".
          So exactly to the point!
    2. Runoway
      Runoway 22 July 2021 08: 43
      +1
      What surprises me most of all is that before the appearance of this hawk, there was not a gram of information in the press.

      As a bluff option, not in terms of flexing your muscles, but in order to send competitors in the wrong direction, and to go off with a different step. How many things have happened in history, it's just a model from computer modeling, and not like with ekranoplanes wink in USSR
  5. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 22 July 2021 07: 21
    +8
    In general, the glider of this aircraft is, to put it mildly, more than interesting. I was more interested in the horizontal tail solution.
  6. atalef
    atalef 22 July 2021 07: 30
    -16%
    In the US press! Quietly unspeakably? Some kind of pretzel noticed and now everything Like the whole press
    1. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 22 July 2021 07: 35
      +8
      Quote: atalef
      In the US press! Quietly unspeakably? Some kind of pretzel noticed and now everything Like the whole press

      "Pretzel" is the most significant commentary! laughing He can be seen as a specialist in Fu-35! laughing laughing laughing
    2. Peak
      Peak 22 July 2021 07: 35
      +10
      Quote: atalef
      In the US press! Quietly unspeakably? Some kind of pretzel noticed and now everything Like the whole press

      belay Uh ... stop
      Any newspaper published on your kibbutz is the Israeli press.
  7. Eug
    Eug 22 July 2021 07: 33
    +10
    In lateral movement, the heading and roll controls are used together, there is a cross-link between the control channels through the plane of inertia. It is possible to "untie" this connection only if the object's tensor of inertia is strictly diagonal, which is unrealistic for an airplane. The use of the V-shaped tail (in a statically unstable aircraft) was hampered by the stability along the course, it is obvious that now this problem has been solved.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 22 July 2021 07: 46
      +5
      Expert opinion.
      .Russian aviation expert Vadim Lukashevich gives such a description of the aircraft on his page in the FB.

      "1. This is an aircraft with a supersonic cruising speed. This is evidenced by the tailless aerodynamic design with a relatively large wing area and a double swept leading edge (counting the influx), which simplifies longitudinal balancing when crossing the sound barrier. To make it clearer - a similar wing was used on supersonic passenger liners of the first generation Tu-144 and Concorde, which had a supersonic cruising flight speed.

      Supersonic cruising speed is ensured by a high thrust-to-weight ratio, reaching unity at the afterburner (the declared take-off weight is 18 tons, the engine thrust is 11 ton-forces at nominal and 18 at the afterburner). Simply put - he will be able to fly vertically on the afterburner, like a rocket.

      2. The aircraft has a V-shaped tail - two differentially deflected inclined aerodynamic surfaces will be able to perform the functions of both a vertical keel (s) and a horizontal stabilizer. Due to the latter property, this aerodynamic scheme could be classified as a classical one, but I still refer it to a tailless one, because the plumage here is more likely to help than for full-fledged balancing like a full-fledged differential stabilizer. I am sure that I will not be mistaken if I say that the aircraft has neutral or close to it static stability.

      And one more detail - on the previously published teaser in the tail section, on opposite sides of the engine nozzle, one can guess a pair of balancing surfaces, something like balancing flaps (and if we are talking about "tailless" - elevons).

      3. The tailless design indicates that this aircraft is more in line with the requirements of the 5th generation fighter than the heavier Su-57: the aerodynamics of the new fighter itself testifies to the greater attention of designers to ensuring supersonic cruising speed than to high maneuverability on subsonic. To put it simply, the new machine will be faster, but less maneuverable than its predecessors, the Su-27 (and its modifications), the Su-47 and Su-57.

      This, by the way, is evidenced by the unregulated air intake.

      4. The aircraft is made using the technology of reducing radar signature (Stealth). Here and the "chopped" shape of the air intake, and the placement of the payload in the internal compartments, closed by flaps of a certain shape, and the V-shaped tail (very conducive to this), and the predominance of inclined surfaces in the outer contours. And judging by the pictures, the compressor blades will not be visible from the front hemisphere, since the air intake has a noticeably curved channel (note the front landing gear under the air intake).

      As a result, we have a very interesting appearance of the aircraft, which most fully corresponds to the "classical" requirements of the 5th generation fighter concept.

      https://strana.ua/news/344809-su-75-checkmate-istrebitel-pjatoho-pokolenija-iz-rossii-chto-o-nem-izvestno.html
      1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 08: 57
        -6
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        To put it simply, the new machine will be faster, but less maneuverable than its predecessors, the Su-27 (and its modifications), the Su-47 and Su-57.

        This, by the way, is evidenced by the unregulated air intake.

        Experts, they are such experts))
        First, in terms of speed, this aircraft will be inferior to all Russian fighters - and this has already been announced. Mach 1,8. The fixed air intake does not add speed. It is optimized for a single range (in fact, that's why they set the bandwidth regulators of the input device in order to have a wide speed range). An example is the Su-34. Put on it a regulated air intake, and it will catch up with the speed of the Su-27. And so - only 1,8M. Or MiG-23 (2,3M) and MiG-27 (1,8M)
    2. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 22 July 2021 08: 56
      +1
      Quote: Eug
      The use of the V-shaped tail (in a statically unstable aircraft) was hampered by the stability along the course, it is obvious that now this problem has been solved.


      Is it not a statically unstable plane in pitch?
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 July 2021 09: 09
        +1
        in super-maneuverable, ideally, in all coordinates, and the computer should be kept
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 22 July 2021 09: 48
          +1
          A certain degree of yaw (exchange rate instability) is present in all aircraft with the thrust vector applied in the direction to the aerodynamic focus - an axiom.
          But statically unstable, the plane is considered on a completely different basis:
          If the aerodynamic focus of the aircraft is in front of the center of mass, then with an occasional small increase in the angle of attack, it increases even more and the aircraft will be statically unstable.

          Those. the effort leading to the unbalance of the aircraft in pitch is several times greater than the effort leading to the unbalance along the course - therefore, the term "statically unstable" has always referred to the pitch angles. This is taught to students in the 2-3 course of the LA departments.
          Eug (Eugene) - rather wrong. Or maybe I missed something in recent years?
          1. novel66
            novel66 22 July 2021 09: 54
            +3
            yes no, everything is correct, but if
            the aerodynamic focus of the aircraft is in front of the center of mass,

            then the instability goes along all coordinates
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 July 2021 07: 38
    +3
    This will be the number if the striped ones buy them. fellow
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 July 2021 08: 33
      +4
      They will definitely try to buy through third countries, especially for such a price ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 July 2021 09: 10
        +3
        will definitely buy, sniff .. Vitya hi
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 July 2021 09: 15
          +4
          hi

          And then, that's just when it will happen? I would like it early ... yes
          1. novel66
            novel66 22 July 2021 09: 16
            +3
            well, not before. what will they do ... lol
            1. cniza
              cniza 22 July 2021 09: 21
              +4
              So I say that it would be early ... yes
              1. novel66
                novel66 22 July 2021 09: 22
                +3
                Vit, so it can. and already. and for secrecy they suggest a veil
                1. cniza
                  cniza 22 July 2021 09: 32
                  +4
                  Roma, I won't be surprised if they show a test flight tomorrow ...
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 22 July 2021 07: 49
    -1
    While some American media have doubted
    A lot of noise around ... nothing YET.
    1. prior
      prior 22 July 2021 08: 19
      -3
      Su-75 The Checkmate is such a Russian "gopher", there is no plane (one model), but in fact it is.
      An airplane is when it flies in the sky, and when it is a gopher in the layout.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2021 08: 39
        +4
        When they rolled out to Red Square ... a rocket, albeit not on alert, being in the stage of final testing ... it was already there.
        One can understand the problems of managers - manufacturers of equipment. At your own peril and risk, without financial support from the state, it is NOT POSSIBLE / DIFFICULT to create a serious, new product !!!
        That is why they make such "presentations" to interest the country's leadership, to get funding ... these are the tricks.
        We, those from the Soviet past, are not accustomed to this, it seems anomalous, often stupid .... who is right, who is not, only time will judge us!
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 July 2021 08: 45
          -9
          One can understand the problems of managers - manufacturers of equipment. At your own peril and risk, without financial support from the state, it is NOT POSSIBLE / DIFFICULT to create a serious, new product !!!
          That is why they make such "presentations" to interest the country's leadership, to get funding

          Well, yes, another fairy tale - in a state corporation at your own peril and risk, without a penny of state funds (I wonder what funds are in a state corporation)
          They create an airplane and no one knows about it.
          Neither the competent authorities nor the financial institutions that control the spending of state funds in state corporations - only you can believe in fairy tales.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 July 2021 09: 06
            +7
            Are you a specialist in financing structures for everything and everyone in all kinds of state corporations?
            Judging by the statements ... I didn’t run nearby.
          2. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 22 July 2021 09: 57
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Well, yes, another fairy tale - in a state corporation at your own peril and risk, without a penny of state funds (I wonder what funds in a state corporation


            In a state corporation there is a budget, there is a revenue part - for example, from sales of components to contractors, or - that is, items that are intended for operating activities or funds for development.
            In this context, it meant that this proactive development was carried out not for funds specially allocated for this, but for profit from other sources (the profit of a state corporation on its accounts is its profit, and not an amorphous state).
            If the board of directors approved the spending of the profitable part of the budget for the research program (draft design) - this means that in this project, targeted government funding was not used - this is understandable to anyone who knows at least a little about finance.
    2. cniza
      cniza 22 July 2021 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      While some American media have doubted
      A lot of noise around ... nothing YET.


      Greetings! hi

      We adopted their tactics, first we make noise, and then ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2021 08: 42
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        You can understand, not finished retrogrades, all the same. It is difficult to accept, it hurts in us everything, as it was then, was firmly fixed, forever.
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 July 2021 08: 47
          +4
          Here, yes, we need our own way, not everything is acceptable for us, not any experience is good for us, until we are strained, we will not move ...
  10. cniza
    cniza 22 July 2021 08: 31
    +4
    Earlier, the Chinese media noted the low declared value of The Checkmate. If in the "basic configuration" it really is up to $ 30 million,


    Most of all, this figure is surprising ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 22 July 2021 08: 44
      +1
      It seems that they "saved" a lot on design work ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 July 2021 08: 54
        +5
        I don't know on what ..., or there must be a huge breakthrough in materials science, something new was applied ...
        1. novel66
          novel66 22 July 2021 09: 13
          +4
          Vitya ... what are you, really .. request
          The cost price of a standard half-liter bottle of vodka is 20 rubles. So much it could have cost if it were not for the games of the state. All other money is cheat
          1. cniza
            cniza 22 July 2021 09: 18
            +4
            And no dream? well, I really want ...
            1. novel66
              novel66 22 July 2021 09: 20
              +2
              and dream about a bottle for 40 rubles. ??
              1. cniza
                cniza 22 July 2021 09: 35
                +3
                Oh Roma, don't poison your soul, you can't return what was, and it's not worth it ...
      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 08: 59
        -1
        Quote: rocket757
        It seems that they "saved" a lot on design work ...

        R&D is a separate line and is not included in the price of the aircraft (the same story with any military equipment)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 22 July 2021 09: 15
          0
          Creating a new product is a complicated, expensive process, how does this affect the final price of the product ... are you sure that it doesn't work at all?
          And so, there is nothing to talk about yet, because ... what will happen in the end and will there be any ??? I don’t presume to guess, I wrote about it from the very beginning.
          We do not have a dispute about something specific, so, free fantasies on a topic in general ...
          1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 09: 40
            -1
            Quote: rocket757
            Creating a new product is a complicated, expensive process, how does this affect the final price of the product ... are you sure that it doesn't work at all?

            The customer pays for development (R&D) separately. On a separate line. Regardless of how many aircraft (tanks, machine guns) will be produced and whether they will be produced at all. This is a lot of money, but they are not scattered on the cost of production (this is what they do with the civilian market, but there are laws there). There are several contracts - for the development, manufacture and testing of prototypes, and the final one is a contract with a plant for the production of aircraft of a specific type.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 22 July 2021 10: 18
              0
              Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
              The customer pays for development (R&D) separately. On a separate line. Regardless

              This is ideal ... but is it always like this? In full?
              1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 10: 38
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                The customer pays for development (R&D) separately. On a separate line. Regardless

                This is ideal ... but is it always like this? In full?

                usually yes. These are the features of military pricing. R&D costs are not costs of manufacturing a product. The result of R&D is design documentation and technical documentation, according to which the production of products is possible.
                Direct and overhead costs - these are included in the cost of the product.

                If a company develops a product using its own resources (on an initiative basis, for example), then, of course, it bears a certain risk. If a potential customer refused, then we have a loss (not counting the possible further applications of R&D results, but this is deferred profit, and today it is a net loss). But in the end, if the proposed documentation suits the customer, he will pay for the R&D stage. A similar procedure applies abroad, with our incredible overseas friends.

                Why does the customer pay for R&D separately? there are many nuances. Including because the final product - CD - belongs to the customer. Not the developer, not the manufacturer, but the one who paid the money. KB is only a calculator and maintains this documentation.

                This is not the case for civilian products - all kinds of risks are already included in the final cost of the product, as well as R&D, based on the calculation of the minimum batch of payback of the product.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 22 July 2021 11: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                  Not so for civilian products

                  Let's just say ... I've heard such a statement from reputable experts that we have initiative developments without preliminary financing, government orders ...
                  Alternatively, maybe ...
      3. Reviews
        Reviews 22 July 2021 09: 18
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        It seems that they "saved" a lot on design work ...

        Why not? For example, they could have taken all the avionics from the S-70, and the aerodynamic developments and LSS from the Su-57.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 22 July 2021 10: 15
          0
          There is no point in reinventing the wheel when it already exists ... it makes sense.
  11. Maks1995
    Maks1995 22 July 2021 09: 02
    0
    Oh, no PR ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 22 July 2021 09: 16
      +1
      for it is said
  12. Bumblebee
    Bumblebee 22 July 2021 09: 15
    -1
    Articles went one ** drink another. These wrote so, those commercials.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 July 2021 09: 22
    +9
    Guys, in Komsomolsk on the Amur there are 12-500 employees at the plant. During the inspection trip of Borisov, it was announced that there are not enough people, we will recruit, teach. We have a lot of offices with such a staff. And production has already been put up to date. So Let's do not doubt. Zircon flies, Sarmat will fly in August. Less need to listen to envious people, just do business. But with a chess horse it turned out cool. Now they have a theme, this is not a flying model for you. Let this one be not flying, but flying cases in Komsomolsk do not collect?
  14. DenVB
    DenVB 22 July 2021 09: 26
    -1
    By the way, after all, they recently wrote that in the sixth generation the plumage should not even be V-shaped, but with a variable slope. Sometimes it is the keel, sometimes the stabilizer. Or anything in between. Sukhovtsy could immediately step into the sixth. All the same there is a layout.
  15. sagitovich
    sagitovich 22 July 2021 09: 27
    -2
    it really will be up to $ 30 million,
    Of course not! They will think again, prices are rising, they will raise up to 50 million, and that is not enough, but let's go 55! No, he's the 75th, so let it be $ 75 million. And then the dollar will either fall, or even go out of circulation. Let's go to Euro!
  16. Constanty
    Constanty 22 July 2021 09: 41
    0
    V-shaped plumage - Butterfly plumage (also known as Rdulitsky plumage) is nothing new.

    It was invented by the Polish designer Jerzy Rudlicki in 1930 (patent no. 15938) and was first tested a year later, in 1931, on the Hanriot H.28 (no. 30.83).
  17. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 22 July 2021 10: 25
    0
    Quote: PiK
    Quote: Starover_Z
    And the spies in the factories were told that the drawings were hanging from the Americans and now we are assembling!
    (and the "collapsed" tail was in the F-117)


    Su - 75 The Checkmate - what's this , carefully filed F-117? belay belay belay

    Yes, they wanted to assemble a sewing machine, but no matter how you rearrange the parts, the whole machine gun turns out ...
  18. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 22 July 2021 10: 29
    0
    Quote: DenVB
    By the way, after all, they recently wrote that in the sixth generation the plumage should not even be V-shaped, but with a variable slope. Sometimes it is the keel, sometimes the stabilizer. Or anything in between. Sukhovtsy could immediately step into the sixth. All the same there is a layout.

    Well, that way in the seventh-eighth generation, these will be the functions of the wings, and the stabilizer, and the plumage ... And if anything, after the ammo depletion, in close combat and in the face to give the enemy a smog! wassat
  19. ultra
    ultra 22 July 2021 13: 05
    +2
    Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
    Even in the west, where they began to deal with this problem much earlier,

    Are you serious? Back in 88, "Buran" sat down on its own, there was nothing like it in your beloved west then.
  20. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 22 July 2021 13: 58
    +1
    I remember that the MiG-35 was also pompously presented, and they waited for an avalanche of orders from foreigners ... They are still waiting. Let's remember this day. In five years, we'll see the fate of this layout and how many orders there will be.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 22 July 2021 14: 07
      0
      Naturally, it is quite what goes on for the domestic market .. (the best, because there is no choice). A very skilled "foreign" customer understands that someone's words need to be divided by 10, and someone's by 1,5.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 July 2021 14: 13
      -2
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      I remember that the MiG-35 was also pompously presented,

      This is a somewhat incorrect example. MiG-29 \ 35 is an unsuccessful, unnecessary fighter. The lack of orders is explained by this.
    3. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 23 July 2021 10: 44
      0
      No, I remember that presentation. There was not much excitement there. Rolled out and rolled out. Until 2025, they can find someone as a customer, from North Africa, or the Indians still take it. And here it is different. The main thing is that the engine is reliable.
  21. Spiridonovich2
    Spiridonovich2 22 July 2021 14: 15
    -2
    The whole world is shocked by the plywood model of the plane, which has no equal and will not be in the world. Earlier, all countries were frightened by the appearance of the Armata tank, the Leader destroyers, the Storm aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered missiles, and the Vostochny cosmodrome. Nowadays, everyone is lining up in a fight to acquire our miracle equipment.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 23 July 2021 10: 45
      +1
      Well, some of them were torn apart by the plywood model, which means the mission is completed.
  22. 123456789
    123456789 22 July 2021 15: 37
    -2

    GOOD BOOTS! SHOULD TAKE! "Office Romance" 1st series
  23. sayeret Matkal
    sayeret Matkal 22 July 2021 16: 55
    -2
    Which author? Which magazine? Another selling agent? The plane resembles the loser in the competition yf 23 and f32.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 23 July 2021 10: 52
      0
      "The plane resembles the loser in the competition yf 23 and f32." As if it were something bad. A "conventional" F-32 would be pretty good. And here it seems even better. Yap that the air intakes are "straight" now will not work - they have hidden far away.
  24. SERVER
    SERVER 23 July 2021 09: 02
    0
    Of course, the timing of the first flight can be adjusted, but I am sure it will fly and will be fine-tuned and will go on sale in the next 5-6 years. Someone somewhere thought that someone's development was partially stolen or spied on, but the same can be said about the F-35, the foreigners themselves chuckle, they say the F-35 copy of the Yak-141 is only much more expensive.
  25. Usher
    Usher 23 July 2021 23: 23
    +1
    Useless infa.
  26. Vladimir K ...
    Vladimir K ... 24 July 2021 01: 18
    0
    atalef Russia it is like that, it will show cartoons, and now here is a layout. A year or two will pass and NATO starts to smoke nervously on the sidelines and curse the "cartoonists" and "mock-ups".