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Who killed old Russia

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Farewell to the convoy. Artist Pavel Ryzhenko


Having liquidated the institution of the monarchy, the Februaryist revolutionaries themselves launched the mechanism for the destruction of Russia. After all, only autocracy and held back the Russian Empire from collapse.

The sacredness of the Russian autocracy


The overwhelming majority of public, political, military and church leaders who shattered the empire, called for the elimination of the autocracy, which allegedly hindered the development of Russia, at the same time sincerely considered themselves Russian patriots, wished to serve the new, democratic and republican Russia, which would become part of the “civilized the world ".

The fact is that the Russian tsar is not only the supreme head of the state. This is a sacred figure. In the East, Russian rulers have long been called "White Tsars".

“And he keeps the baptized faith,
Baptized faith, pious,
Stands for the Christian faith,
For the house of the Most Pure Mother of God,
White tsar over tsars tsar ... "

(from the Pigeon Book).

Thus, the Russian tsar in the East is one of the manifestations of God on Earth, holding back darkness and chaos.

Liberals and Westernizers, shattering the foundations of autocracy, did not understand this at all. They wanted to turn Russia into a part of "enlightened Europe", to make Holland or England out of Russia.

They believed that Russia was a part of European civilization, but was “spoiled” by Asia, the Horde yoke, and the despotism of the Russian tsars. You just need to get rid of the autocracy and return the Russians to the family of "civilized peoples", and everything will work out.

Duma leaders and generals, grand dukes and industrialists, bankers and churchmen after 1905 felt like independent players in the political field of Russia. The Russian autocrat became a hindrance to their political and economic plans and career ambitions. Therefore, the then Russian elite supported the desire of the “fifth column” and the West to overthrow the monarchy.

It is interesting that approximately the same events took place in Germany, which is closely connected with Russia by many historical, traditional, dynastic and economic threads. The German generals represented by Hindenburg, Ludendorff, Gröner and others wanted to bring the "war to a victorious end," but without the Kaiser. However, as soon as Emperor Wilhelm II died, it immediately became clear that all their plans were an illusion, a mirage.

E. Ludendorff later admitted:

“I warned against attempts to undermine the emperor's position in the army. His Majesty was our Supreme Commander, the whole army saw in him its head, we all swore allegiance to him. This weightless data could not be underestimated. They entered our flesh and blood, closely linked us with the Kaiser. Everything that is directed against the emperor is directed against the unity of the army. Only very short-sighted people could undermine the position of the officer corps and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief at such a moment when the army is undergoing the greatest test. "

These words can be fully attributed to Russia.

The threat of turning Istanbul into Russian Constantinople


There seemed to be no catastrophe in 1916.

Russia overcame the consequences of the military failures of 1915. Turkey and Austria-Hungary could no longer overcome the Russians. The Austrians held the front only with the help of the Germans. Germany was on the brink of complete exhaustion.

The shell famine in Russia was defeated, the industry, including the military, grew and developed. The release of guns (10 times), shells, rifles, machine guns, cartridges (this weapons and ammunition was enough for the entire Civil War).

For the new campaign of 1917, 50 new divisions were formed. There were enough human reserves. There was no hunger in the rear. The construction of the strategic Murmansk railway was completed, linking Petrograd with the port of Romanov-on-Murman (Murmansk), where the allies were transporting weapons, ammunition and ammunition.

Russia was to emerge victorious from the war. Get Ugric (Carpathian) and Galician Rus, the historical lands of Poland, which belonged to Austria-Hungary and Germany, completing the creation of the Kingdom of Poland under the supreme authority of the Russian sovereign. Poles (Slavs) were pulled out from the power of the West, destroying the anti-Russian battering ram.

The West promised us the Strait Zone and Constantinople, Western Armenia. Russia closed the Black-Russian Sea from possible enemies, included the Balkans, Transcaucasia in its sphere of influence, restored historical Armenia and Georgia.

The thousand-year mission of the Russians, which was designated by the Grand Duke Oleg, was coming to an end.

"Prophetic Oleg nailed his shield on the gates of Constantinople."

“If Russia in 1917 had remained an organized state, all the Danube countries would now be only Russian provinces ... - said in 1934 the Chancellor of Hungary, Count Betlen. "In Constantinople on the Bosphorus and in Catarro on the Adriatic, Russian military flags would fly."

"Fifth column"


Obviously, this could not be allowed by Russia's "allies" - England and France.
Initially, the stake was placed on the military collapse of the colossus with feet of clay. But the Russians, despite all the problems and difficulties, withstood the blow of the Teutons, moreover, they defeated the Austrians and Turks. We were preparing for a new battle already in Germany.

Therefore, the main role in the fall of the Russian Empire was played by the "fifth column" - a large part of the then Russian elite.

Liberal intelligentsia, who hated the "horrors of tsarism." The financial-industrial bourgeoisie, which believed that the autocracy was holding back the capitalist, "market" development of Russia. Grand dukes and aristocrats who wanted to "modernize" the monarchy, the constitution. Generals who believed that the tsar was making it difficult to bring the war to a victorious end, dreamed of career growth. The clergy, yearning for the reform of the church, the restoration of patriarchy.

Many liberals and Westernizers were members of various Masonic lodges associated with the West, that is, they were subordinate to the older “brothers”. Therefore, the British, American and French embassies played a large role in organizing the February Revolution.

The liberals dreamed that Russia's victory in the war would be theirs. It will allow you to "rebuild" and "modernize" Russia in a Western, European way. Make Russia a part of an "enlightened and free Europe". Create a republic, introduce parliamentarism. Introduce "market relations".

How did the Februaryist revolutionaries manage to destroy the empire and autocracy?


First, during the war, the army lost its personnel, which had been sworn in. The officer corps was "diluted", replenished at the expense of the liberal intelligentsia, raznochintsy. The rank and file were tired of the war and were angry with the "rear rats" and dreamed of peace. Therefore, the army easily succumbed to revolutionary propaganda. A significant part of the generals, especially the top ones, maintained contact with the liberal bourgeoisie and were ready to surrender the monarch.

Secondly, the church, the second stronghold of the autocracy, by 1917 had completely lost its authority among the people. The process began back in the days of Nikon, when the church succumbed to a provocation coming from the West and broke the people over the knee. The best part of the people - the most honest, stubborn and hardworking - went into schism. The rest obeyed, but from that point on, faith as a whole became a formality. The essence was replaced by the form. By the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the degradation of the church reached its peak. Moreover, the churchmen themselves supported February.

Thirdly, the Russian Empire was ruined by excessive freedom. Emperor Nicholas II did not clean up the liberal "fifth column" before the war and at its very beginning. Only the few in number and not having much support in society, the Bolsheviks - outright radicals who themselves substituted themselves with the slogan of turning the imperialist war into a civil war, came under attack. And at this time the liberal opposition - the Octobrists, the Cadets, were preparing for the "restructuring" of Russia.

During the war, Russia was the freest of the belligerent countries. There was freedom of speech: the sovereign, empress and their entourage were poured with mud. The opposition acted freely, which subjected the actions of the government and the tsar himself to unbridled criticism. The State Duma became the nest of the revolution. The public, which at the beginning of the war took a patriotic position, under the influence of failures and difficulties quickly slipped into rejection of "tsarism".

It seemed that it was enough to remove Nicholas II, create a constitutional monarchy or a republic, and all problems were solved! Workers could go on strike during the war. The nationalists practically openly advocated the separation of the national borderlands from the empire.

In "free" Europe, everything was different.

In the stronghold of democracy and republican values ​​- France, during the German invasion in 1914, thousands of people were shot without any trial (according to the law on martial law) - criminals (they were considered a threat to society during the war), deserters, etc. to be emulated for Russian liberals, after the outbreak of the war, they adopted a tough law to protect the kingdom According to it, the strictest censorship was introduced in the press, state control over transport and enterprises, strikes were prohibited, confiscation of any property was allowed in the interests of the defense of the kingdom, a wage ceiling was set at enterprises, etc. The workers worked seven days a week, without holidays and rest. Similar measures were taken in Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Turkey and other belligerent countries.

In Russia, it was the opposite. Freedom was preserved, which was expressed in the preparation of the revolution. The coup in the capital was not prepared by the workers, not the Red Guards, not the Bolshevik commissars, not the peasants, as we were taught in the framework of the “white myth” in Russia, but the Russian elite. A well-fed, well-to-do and educated elite who dreamed of living like in “sweet France or England”.

Catastrophe


The better things were at the front, the more actively the liberal opposition and the military who joined it acted. The famous General A.A. Brusilov, who eventually joined the Bolsheviks, seeing that they were restoring statehood and the army in Russia, described the situation that developed before February 1917 in this way:

“At Headquarters, ... as well as in Petrograd, it was obviously not up to the front. Great events were being prepared that overturned the entire way of Russian life and destroyed the army that was at the front. "

In essence, the liberal opposition was preparing a coup rather than a revolution. The modernization of Russia was supposed to take on the highest possible character, without the participation of the people. The army was controlled through their generals, the workers through part of the Social Democracy. The interests of the peasants were of no interest to anyone.

Just before February, the leaders of the liberals sounded out the reaction of the Entente countries to a possible revolution in Russia. The reaction was positive. This was enough to destroy the autocracy and the empire, but the Februaryists opened Pandora's box, paved the way to hell. They were unable to retain power in Russia, rule the country and control the masses that came into the movement.

Western curators were smarter, they understood that without a tsar Russia would be swallowed up by anarchy and chaos. Therefore, plans were drawn up for the dismemberment of Russia, the separation of national "independent" bantustans and banana republics from it. Painful decay will be accompanied by putrefaction, fermentation and general decay. The territory of the fallen empire will boil with endless turmoil, clashes and strife, which will be accompanied by external interference. Great powers around the world will compete with each other for new small states, seek dominance and seize strategic points. Neighbors will begin to seize the border areas. Social and moral scum, adventurers from all over the world will come to Russia. The country will be robbed to the bone.

And the Russian liberal Westernizers were simply used. When the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave. When the turmoil began, the Russian elite simply flees, having lost most of their wealth and capital. Former earls and brilliant officers of the imperial army will become taxi drivers and mercenaries, and noblewomen and daughters of merchants and industrialists will join the world's brothels and other hot spots. Part of the officers and students will become the cannon fodder of the West in the Russian Civil War.
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  1. Iskazi
    Iskazi 22 July 2021 04: 09
    +44
    However, it's funny. The author needs to read more and write less. Very weak ...
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 22 July 2021 06: 13
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      Quote: Iskazi
      The author needs to read more and write less


      and confirm your claims:
      author: Western Curators made plans about the dismemberment of Russia, the separation of national "independent" bantustans and banana republics from it.
      these same DOCUMENTAL plans, otherwise it's just fiction, not history.

      Where the author is right, and it is common knowledge, is that
      During the war, Russia was the freest of the belligerent countries... There was freedom of speech. Workers during the war could go on strike.
      In the stronghold of democracy and republican values ​​- France, during the German invasion in 1914, thousands of people were shot without any trial (according to the law on martial law) - criminals (they were considered a threat to society during the war), deserters, etc. to be emulated for Russian liberals, after the outbreak of the war, they adopted a tough law to protect the kingdom According to it, the strictest censorship was introduced in the press, state control over transport and enterprises, strikes were prohibited, confiscation of any property was allowed in the interests of the defense of the kingdom, a wage ceiling was set at enterprises, etc. The workers worked seven days a week, without holidays and rest. Similar measures were taken in Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Turkey and other belligerent countries.

      in a belligerent country, everything should be subordinated to one goal - the victory over the aggressor, and in Western Europe they acted much more correctly, introducing severe restrictions and rules in society.
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      2. Boris55
        Boris55 22 July 2021 07: 39
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        Quote: Olgovich
        these same DOCUMENTAL plans, otherwise it's just fiction,

        And when such documents are presented to you, then you immediately declare them conspiracy theories. As an example. "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". A pretty decent time has passed, so that everyone could independently assess what of them has been done and what has not. US SNB Directive 20/1 of 18.08.1948/XNUMX/XNUMX "Our goals in relation to Russia", "Dulles Plan", "Harvard Project".

        The scenarios for the collapse of Russia are the same.

        At the beginning of the last century:
        Balts, Ukraine, Belarus, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Far Eastern Republic, Siberian.
        At the end of the last century:
        Balts, Ukraine, Belarus, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Far Eastern Republic, Siberian.

        As a result, 15 republics were formed for the first time, and 24 republics for the second, in spite of the fact that the Bolsheviks had not been in the government for a long time. Then Russia was saved by the security forces, and now they saved the same.

        If the current republics within Russia are not reorganized into autonomy, then in the future our children will have to go through the next 90s, in which everyone will suffer, and especially those who have separated ...

        ps
        PMA was discontinued because the goals for the fragmentation of Russia were practically fulfilled. When the Bolsheviks, with the active participation of tsarist generals and officers, began to collect it, then The West organized a civil war... When their goals in the civil war, and then in the economic blockade, were not crowned with success, the Second World War began ... Are we to blame for the fact that we want to live the way we want?

        Today Russia is as strong as ever. The west will not dare open go to war with us.
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 22 July 2021 08: 22
          +24
          Today Russia is as strong as ever. The West will not dare to openly go to war with us.
          .What for? If the West already owns a lot in Russia smile
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 July 2021 08: 35
            -27%
            Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
            What for? If the West already owns a lot in Russia

            The West is losing control of Russia. Russia, with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution and the autumn elections to the Duma under the new rules, is gaining independence. The West understands that a little more and their presence in Russia will be minimal.

            ps
            At the beginning of the last century, the West, after the civil war, declared us an economic blockade, which led the citizens of our country to the famine. We took this into account and one of the first tasks at the beginning of this century - we implemented the country's food security, and then military. Today we easily pass the next blockade of the West (sanctions), but Ukraine ... And in Ukraine, which fell under the West, about a million citizens are now starving (UN data). I hope that Ukrainians will not blame Russia for this Holodomor ...
            1. Mike_E
              Mike_E 22 July 2021 09: 01
              +21
              I did not understand, Russia is stronger than ever. The new tsar is loved by the people. The fifth column has been cleared. A series of articles with parallels to the 17th were published for the elections. Why are you worried? Are you afraid that the liberals will shake the chair? So if this is possible, then all your statements about the strength of Russia, to put it mildly, are delusional?
              1. ABC-schütze
                ABC-schütze 25 July 2021 18: 31
                +1
                “It seemed that in 1916 nothing foreshadowed a catastrophe.

                Russia overcame the consequences of the military failures of 1915. Turkey and Austria-Hungary could no longer overcome the Russians. The Austrians held the front only with the help of the Germans. Germany was on the brink of complete exhaustion.

                The shell famine in Russia was defeated, the industry, including the military, grew and developed. The production of guns (10 times), shells, rifles, machine guns, cartridges increased sharply (this weapon and ammunition was enough for the entire Civil War).

                For the new campaign of 1917, 50 new divisions were formed. There were enough human reserves. There was no hunger in the rear. The construction of the strategic Murmansk railway was completed, linking Petrograd with the port of Romanov-on-Murman (Murmansk), where the allies were transporting weapons, ammunition and ammunition.

                Russia should have emerged victorious from the war .... "
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                Nobody in Russia today is "afraid" of anything.

                The country is completely manageable, the government is stable and there is no "revolutionary situation" in sight. And external threats, incl. military, armed forces with high morale and well-equipped RF Armed Forces are capable of neutralizing and parrying.

                As for the "historical parallels", incl. and 1917, attempts to analyze the causes of any unrest and the results of its outcome are always relevant. For chaos (that is, unlimited entropy) in any system accessible to external influences (and the state and society are a kind of such systems) WILL OBTAIN, IF YOU DO NOT TAKE, COMPREHENSIVE, LITERATE, SYSTEMATIC and PURPOSE efforts to preserve "acceptable" and not threatening the system of the "level of disorder", or the mentioned entropy, or the degree of the so-called. "PERSONAL freedoms" ...

                For the rest, i.e. regarding the parts cited above, already in the introduction to the article of the author's statements, there are great doubts ...

                Let's turn to the expert's assessment ...

                “Unfortunately, the provision of time for the revival of the Russian army was NOT IN THE POWER of Russia.
                Events continued to take their course. The military opponents showed THEIR WILL, and our entry into the coalition of the Powers of Concord required something ...

                Already at the end of December 1915, (and this is KANUN 1916. Approx. Mine.), On the Southwestern Front, a large offensive operation took place on our side, which cost the Russian people 50 thousand people.

                Its PURPOSE was to divert forces from the dying Serbia ...

                In the same winter of 1915 - 1916. in France (Chantilly), an inter-union conference was convened, which, predetermining the French-British offensive along the river in 1916, Somma, expressed the idea of ​​the desirability of a PRELIMINARY OFFensive of the RUSSIAN armies. The purpose of this was to divert the largest possible NUMBER of GERMAN troops from the FRENCH front.

                However, the Germans snatched the initiative from the hands of the Concord Powers, warning them with their own offensive ...

                At the beginning of March 1916, at the junction between our Northern and Western fronts, in the region of Vidza - Lake Naroch, our troops began an offensive. It developed in the TERRIBLE CONDITIONS of the spring thaw "in a swamp and blood", as OUR Opponent characterized this offensive ...

                Another 100 thousand people WERE TORCHED from the ranks of OUR TROOPS.

                Finally, from the middle of April 1916, preparations began for the ENTIRE RUSSIAN ARMY for the BROAD SUMMER OFFENSIVE envisaged by the conference in Chantilly.

                .

                In general, throughout the ALL RUSSIAN FRONT, again tens and hundreds of thousands of killed and maimed people, moreover, there was no end in sight of these CONSEQUENTIAL BATTLES.

                Entry into the war, represented by an ally, Romania, with its army, which was completely defeated by the end of the year, makes the Russian command responsible for covering an additional sector of the front in SEVERAL HUNDRED kilometers.

                This task absorbs up to a QUARTER of the armed forces of Russia and FINALLY DEPRIVES its army of FREEDOM of further action ...

                This is the FACTUAL SIDE of the events of 1916 on the Russian front ...

                A lot of victims and NO VISIBLE RESULTS! ..

                The number of those drafted into the army has already exceeded 13 million. The military units changed their composition up to 4 - 6 times ... "

                This is written by a participant in the events, General Danilov. And he can be trusted. As a matter of fact, there are no signs that Russia "must emerge victorious from the war" here ...

                By the way, gene. Danilov is not concerned here with the "mood" of the troops or the morale of the troops. But these sentiments "in the trenches" were very well known to the military censorship ...
                1. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze 25 July 2021 18: 52
                  +2
                  But not everything is "so simple" ...

                  The mentioned gene. Danilov, nevertheless, concludes his judgments about the year 1916 with the following words:

                  "Only the upper ranks in the army realized that our military adversaries had already been mortally wounded; that in agony they were capable of delivering one or two more blows, but the opportunity to end the war with victory had passed for them irrevocably."

                  If only to HOLD ON for some more time, and then Russia, together with its allies, will emerge victorious from this horrible, bloody massacre.

                  But how was this to be achieved, given the HUGE PRESSURE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT BLASTED THE SPIRIT OF THE ARMY AND DECOMPOSED IT "...

                  We speculate ...

                  For example, before the USSR and the Red Army, after the Battle of Kursk, the question that for a complete victory against the enemy, you just need to "hold out a little bit" somehow didn’t stand up ...

                  Well, it simply CANNOT BE, BY DEFINITION, such "conditions" to achieve FULL victory in a WAR (and not in a battle ...) as "to hold out". And armies with decomposed morale among potential winners, especially on the eve of the "imminent victory", also, BY DEFINITION, CANNOT BE ...

                  And speaking of the "pressure of circumstances" gene. Danilov seems to have missed one definition. Namely, OBJECTIVE circumstances ...
                  1. ABC-schütze
                    ABC-schütze 25 July 2021 19: 12
                    0
                    And now about something that is rarely mentioned. Those. about the ability of ANTANTA herself, not only in the year 1916, but already in the year 1917, to wage war with the German coalition ...

                    On June 28, 1917, the American ambassador in London Page, with the note "extremely urgent", sent the message to the United States that "the British financial agents in the United States have just enough funds to hold out ONE day", and if the United States does not help its the former metropolis, then England will abolish the gold standard (that is, in simple terms, it will lose its REAL PAYABILITY, and its money will simply become "banknotes"). On the interstate level, the British Chancellor of the Treasury notified the United States that if the United States government did not pay British spending in America, England's "entire financial structure" would collapse in a matter of days. The US was also informed that its grain reserves in England will only last for eight weeks.

                    How does it feel? ..

                    Just in case ... the USA, on WHICH it turns out to be REALLY dependent on the PROCESS and OUTCOME of the war on the European continent and the fate of the European members of ANTAN, you were not a member of ANTAN at all.

                    And ANTAN, as we see, did not have the ABILITY to wage a war (not to mention the defeat of Germany and Co.) on its own. And speaking about the allegedly "dried up potential" of Germany, this should also be mentioned ...

                    Those. Right the World IMPERIALIST carnage, corny and objectively WAS ENDED IN A DEADLOCK. And as a result, ONLY US IMPERIALISTS became the ONLY REAL WINNERS.

                    Who played exclusively YOUR GAME ...
            2. andybuts
              andybuts 22 July 2021 14: 38
              +15
              The West is losing control of Russia. Russia, with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution and the autumn elections to the Duma under the new rules, is gaining independence.

              Can you briefly describe how Russia will gain independence from constitutional amendments adopted a year ago and new elections? even interesting
              And I wonder why then Russia did not gain independence in July 2020, immediately after the vote on the constitution?
              1. ABC-schütze
                ABC-schütze 26 July 2021 12: 05
                +1
                "--- can you briefly describe how Russia will gain independence from the constitutional amendments adopted a year ago and the new elections?"
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                Perhaps I understood the idea of ​​your "counterpart" But, your question is not very ...

                1. What does "briefly describe" mean when it comes to the formation of power? ..

                2. At the expense of "how", I suppose due to the reduction of the risks of penetration into the Russian government by persons provided by the adopted constitutional amendments, although not "by passport", but in their minds and subconsciousness, falling into the category of "foreign agents" ...

                Which is not enough.

                Although, so dear to everyone, "100%" guarantees from them does not give, nothing, ever, anywhere and to anyone ...
                1. andybuts
                  andybuts 27 July 2021 18: 35
                  +1
                  What does it mean to "briefly describe" when it comes to the formation of power?

                  Are you seriously equating the concepts of "power formation" and "elections"? In your opinion, will the upcoming elections to the State Duma somehow affect the formation of power in Russia? (or we're not talking about Russia). Since the year 2000, elections in Russia do not affect anything, and the percentage of factions will be decided not by the vote of the people, but in the offices, and the voting itself is only giving legitimacy to the choice made by the authorities. I will be very surprised that the results of the elections to the State Duma in 2007, 2011, 2016, and even in 2003 correspond to the votes cast by the people in these elections in relation to Edra. Although we may never know this information.

                  I suppose due to the reduction of the risks of penetration into the Russian government by persons provided by the adopted constitutional amendments, although not "according to a passport", but in their minds and subconsciousness, falling into the category of "foreign agents"

                  Have we experienced any serious changes among those in senior positions? If so, who left the "foreign agents"? If not, then the past edition of "foreign agents" perfectly did not allow them to reach the authorities.
                  I don’t think I’ll reveal a secret, but the whole movement towards the constitution was only for zeroing the GDP (non-economic). If you read the amendments, you will not find anything that somehow changes the conditions in Russia for the better compared to the earlier edition, and even more so the new edition does not in any way affect the "dependence of Russia on the West", which in fact is only economic. politically, our country was absolutely independent even in the 90s, and even so, with the advent of Putin, it did not become more dependent.
            3. Revival
              Revival 23 July 2021 01: 24
              +4
              "Russia, with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution and the autumn elections to the Duma."

              ...

              No comment ...
              PS
              Only one question, why are we collecting all sms for children for treatment !?
              Orom shouted, we will accept the amendments and the end of this phenomenon will come ...
          2. Essex62
            Essex62 22 July 2021 15: 52
            +7
            Everything belongs to them. Everything. Having become part of the space of cut, colored paper, the peoples of the USSR found themselves in bondage to puppeteers.
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 22 July 2021 09: 59
          +15
          Quote: Boris55
          US SNB Directive 20/1 of 18.08.1948/XNUMX/XNUMX "Our goals in relation to Russia", "Dulles Plan", "Harvard Project".
          Interesting conclusions in the first part that many would agree with. As a result, "to the mountain".
          Today Russia is as strong as ever. The West will not dare to openly go to war with us.
          How do you, Boris, succeed in such ideological "mixes"? What is called, "from great to ridiculous" ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 July 2021 10: 19
            -12%
            Quote: Per se.
            How do you, Boris, succeed in such ideological "mixes"?

            Do you think that Russia does not oppose anything to all these projects of theirs?
            In the first part of my quotes in your post - their wishlist, in the second - our answer.

            Putin has exactly the same situation as Stalin.
            Top and bottom wants, but Baba Yaga is against.

            Only the blind cannot see the similarity of the processes of the 17th and 90s.

            The question on the agenda again arises: "Are you for the whites or for the red?"
            Sooner or later, everyone will have to make this choice.
            I made my choice a long time ago. I am for the Reds. I am a Bolshevik.

            ps
            How will your picture look with this slogan: "I will tear for Stalin"?
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 22 July 2021 11: 02
              +20
              Quote: Boris55
              How will your picture look with this slogan: "I will tear for Stalin"?
              To paraphrase Joseph Vissarionovich, then the leaders (or presidents) come and go, the people (in our case, the Russian) remain. The happiness or sorrow of the whole country should not depend on one person. The influence of one personality and the lack of reliability of the system itself is our long-standing problem.

              I swore allegiance to the Soviet people, the Soviet Union, and I didn't have to make a special choice, although I believed in "Perestroika" in "democracy", and peace in the world. I think the time of "bad boys" cannot be eternal, otherwise there will be a complete collapse of the country, degradation of the people.
              Another question, where and who is the "real colonel"? A true communist, a KGB officer, cannot be a former.
              1. ABC-schütze
                ABC-schütze 26 July 2021 13: 14
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                "The influence of one personality and the lack of reliability of the system itself is our long-standing problem."
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                In the world of 100% reliable systems, there has never been anywhere, and never will be. Neither technical nor social ....

                This is evidenced by TWO "internecine" World Wars themselves, not by "our" system started. But "our" system involved in these showdowns. And thank God, with Victory ...

                As for the influence of "one personality", the problem is much greater, just not in the influence of the personality, but in finding "facelessness" in power ...

                From which, I repeat, no "system" guarantees ...
            2. Mike_E
              Mike_E 22 July 2021 13: 27
              +15
              Bolshevik Putin. A noble oxymoron. The Kremlin's gloom are not asleep. We decided to clean up the electorate from the Communist Party? So there was no one left there.
            3. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 22 July 2021 13: 57
              +8
              please specify who is now white and who is red and a Bolshevik?
              in the 17th, the Bolsheviks were for the change of power, and the whites were conditionally for its preservation. or not? how is it now?
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 22 July 2021 16: 01
                +3
                Put the question differently.
                How does a person relate to the structure of society, private property and the extraction of margins. So qualify, white is red.
            4. Alexander Manakov
              Alexander Manakov 22 July 2021 22: 12
              +2
              Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Sobchak-Putin ...
              What does the Bolshevik Stalin have to do with it?
            5. ramzay21
              ramzay21 23 July 2021 00: 43
              +8
              I made my choice a long time ago. I am for the Reds. I am a Bolshevik.

              Putin has long since broken with his communist past, as well as with his liberal past.

              Putin has exactly the same situation as Stalin.

              Stalin fought all his life against the likes of Putin and his friends.
        3. andybuts
          andybuts 22 July 2021 14: 28
          +1
          And when such documents are presented to you, then you immediately declare them conspiracy theories. As an example. "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

          So they, these protocols, are conspiracy theories. Who believes this delirium in common sense. In modern science, the falsity of this opus is considered proven.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 22 July 2021 16: 05
            0
            Blessed is he who believes. He who does not believe seeks the truth, which is not convenient and doubtful for believers.
            There was a documentary, there was. And this program is being carried out. Even the KGB colonel spoke about it. Puppeteers, this is from there.
          2. Yura
            Yura 22 July 2021 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: andybuts
            In modern science, the falsity of this opus is considered proven.

            Please refer to the work exposing the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", I would like to meet him, well, the one that at least you think that he is indisputable and objective
            1. BAI
              BAI 22 July 2021 21: 54
              +3
              Will the court decision in Bern suit?
              https://jhist.org/lessons_10/bur_protokoly29.htm
              1. motorized rifle
                motorized rifle 22 July 2021 23: 06
                +1
                Of course it will, like the decision of the Stockholm court on Gazprom and Ukraine, these are axioms.
            2. andybuts
              andybuts 22 July 2021 23: 53
              +2
              Please refer to the work exposing the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", I would like to meet him, well, the one that at least you think that he is indisputable and objective

              The decision of the Berne Congress back in 1935. As far as I remember, the protocols were added to the list of extremist materials. Read the text of the minutes, first-class nonsense, akin to the Testament of Peter the Great. You can listen to an intelligent person.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQC0gOYOXzc
              but in general Yandex will help you
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 22 July 2021 15: 56
          0
          If the current republics within Russia are not reorganized into autonomy, then in the future our children will have to go through the next 90s, in which everyone will suffer, and especially those who have separated ...
          With this I agree, in all other respects you are mistaken.
        5. 210ox
          210ox 22 July 2021 19: 28
          +1
          You are strange people. For the President (Tsar), and then against Zionism. After all, this is the course we are taking? Is it not bourgeois?
        6. ramzay21
          ramzay21 23 July 2021 00: 28
          +7
          Today Russia is as strong as ever. The West will not dare to openly go to war with us.

          To tell the truth, the remains of the nuclear missile shield created by the communists in the USSR are strong. And these very remnants that survived the traitors of the 90s and effective managers who have ruled the country for the last 20 years do not yet allow us to fall militarily to the level of Iraq.
          The Russian economy is based on the fact that oil export revenues are at least 20 times higher than revenues in the 90s. And you don't need to have a lot of brains to buy finished goods with the money received from the sale of raw materials.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 23 July 2021 14: 41
            0
            Well, what is left of the Soviet in the nuclear shield?))) Can I get more details?)))
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 23 July 2021 21: 18
              +2
              Well, what is left of the Soviet in the nuclear shield?))) Can I get more details?)))


              Soviet strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-95 with Soviet Kh-55 missiles and their modifications Kh-555 and Kh-10.

              Soviet SSBNs of projects 667BDR and 667BDRM armed with modern modernization of Soviet R-29RM missiles and developed in the USSR SSBN Borey armed with the Bulava missile, which is a degraded version of the Soviet Topol missile, with a throw weight comparable to the obsolete American Poseidon missiles, decommissioned in the early 80s ...

              Soviet missiles Voevoda, UR-100N, Topol and its modifications Topol-M and Yars.

              Now, tell us about the nuclear deterrent systems created in 30 years without the USSR.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 23 July 2021 21: 53
                -1
                Yes, as much as necessary. Start with an early warning system. And about everything else ... let's say so. Over the past 30 years, technologies have changed with a wild speed that the Union never dreamed of. Computers, avionics, satellite navigation, etc. from the Soviet remains successful buildings. 30 years have passed. 30. Understand this already. The world and technology have changed dramatically. The Su 35 has the same Soviet touch, but what is Soviet in it besides the idea?
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 24 July 2021 04: 27
                  +1
                  I gave you specific examples of Soviet launch vehicles and missiles, take the trouble and you give examples, not reasoning.
        7. garrett
          garrett 23 July 2021 10: 49
          +2
          And when such documents are presented to you, then you immediately declare them conspiracy theories. As an example. "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". A pretty decent time has passed, so that everyone could independently assess what of them has been done and what has not. US SNB Directive 20/1 of 18.08.1948/XNUMX/XNUMX "Our goals in relation to Russia", "Dulles Plan", "Harvard Project"

          The Dulles Plan is a carefully crafted propaganda text in which then-CIA moderator Allen Dulles talks about how to quietly destroy the USSR by zombifying the population with American culture.

          The roots of the Dulles plan are ideologically rooted in soviet propaganda, the purpose of which was to incite the racial hatred of the Soviet people towards the Americans.

          The plan was first published in 1993, when the USSR had already collapsed. However, the PR campaign of assaholics was such a fierce wine that even in the twenty-first century, schoolchildren have the pleasure of listening to teachers open their eyes with inspiration to the Dulles plan, taking it at face value. Even Andrei Karaulov appeared in tearing off the veils in his "Moment of Truth". Of course, after his curator from the ZOG called him, Karaulov publicly apologized for getting on. So that...
          Modern patriots could not pass by such an appetizing food as the Dulles plan, and for a decade they have been bitterly stating that, they say, the insidious Dulles did manage to realize his plan, and now in this Russia everyone is bombarded with YUSA to the bone and do not run to fulfill the great Great Ideas.

          But they already have “our answer to Dulles” ready - senseless and merciless!

          In the spring of 2015, the Mukhosky court was included in the list of extremist materials, and also sent for inclusion in the federal list. The FSB specialists found that the text contains information aimed "at inciting hatred and enmity towards representatives of state power in modern Russia." Nuff said
          In the late nineties, it suddenly became clear that the text of the Plan was copied from the second volume of the novel "Eternal Call" by Anatoly Ivanov, in the 1981 edition (in later editions the text was censored so as not to be burned), in which it was put into the mouth (OUT of the blue!) Trotskyist.
          Sometimes the "Dulles Plan" is called the 20 NSC 1/1948 directive - a very real US document during the Cold War, although it has nothing to do with Allen Dulles and excerpts from "The Eternal Call". The directive analyzes the situation soberly and rather boringly and proposes methods of countering the “red threat”. This threat, I must say, spread across the globe of that time very rapidly, and besides, Molotov, slyly squinting his eyes, just declared that this "nuclear secret" of yours was no longer a secret at all. In general, openly fighting the Soviet Paue was already becoming somehow creepy, the hating sentiments among American politicians were replaced by anxious and watchful ones, so the directive pushes the war into the background and an extreme case, focusing on counter-propaganda and petty dirty tricks. Nevertheless, in case of a successful war, there are several juicy moments that, with proper artistic refinement and scissors, can be easily glued into something that remotely resembles Ivan's "Plan". Nikolai Yakovlev, in his 1983 book "CIA against the USSR", written on the instructions of the KGB, did just that, giving the Americans, who had lost their heads on the original "Plan", the opportunity to wipe themselves off and retreat to, so to speak, prepared positions.

          We must not forget about the NSC 20/4 directive, which summed up NSC 20/1 and became the US national security strategy in the late 40s, which undoubtedly influenced the author of the "Plan". In order to confront the "red threat", it proposes, among other things, to encourage the development among the Russian peoples of attitudes which may help to modify current Soviet behavior and permit a revival of the national life of groups evidencing the ability and determination to achieve and maintain national independence.

          By the way, these directives formed the basis of the American "rollback" policy, which tried in the late forties and early fifties to expand and deepen active countermeasures against the USSR in all corners of this globe. One of the main proponents of this policy was, all of a sudden, Dulles. True, a little different, albeit a brother of the sought after. But the Soviet counterintelligence did not sleep, and the Soviet propaganda inside the "Iron Curtain" turned out to be much more propagandistic than the American one, so they soon had to abandon short-term measures and move to much longer-term ones. Subsequently, they resorted to "kickback" only in a few cases that turned up, ending with either a fierce fail (Korea, Vietnam), or no less fierce wine (Grenada and, especially, Afghan).
        8. Terran ghost
          Terran ghost 23 July 2021 12: 41
          +2
          US SNB Directive 20/1 of 18.08.1948/XNUMX/XNUMX "Our goals in relation to Russia", "Dulles Plan", "Harvard Project".

          US National Security Council Memorandum 20/1 of 1948 is a real document. However, it contains neither plans to dismember the Soviet Union, nor plans to establish a regime of foreign military occupation in the USSR, including in that section of this document that actually dealt with a hypothetical situation of a military conflict.
          All other "documents" are conspiracy fakes and lies. In nature, such documents do not exist at all. T.N. The Dulles Plan is a fake, which is a slightly paraphrased excerpt from the novel Eternal Call. T.N. The "Harvard Project" is a similar fake, found only on the pages of journalism of an extremely dubious and frankly "jaundiced" kind.
          PMA was discontinued because

          The First World War ended because Germany, which unleashed it (in order to redistribute the colonies in its favor and "conquer living space"), lost the war with a bang.
          When their goals in the civil war, and then in the economic blockade, were not crowned with success, the Second World War began

          The industrialization policy pursued in the Soviet Union in the 1930s was possible only through cooperation with the countries of Western Europe and North America. Without this, nothing would have been built at all.
          Are we to blame for wanting to live the way we want?

          Who means "we" and "us"?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 July 2021 18: 45
            -2
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            T.N. The Dulles Plan is fake

            And if you take the theses voiced in the Dales plan, and evaluate their results years later? After all, a fake cannot lead to the results announced back in the 90s? wink
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 22 July 2021 11: 44
        +9
        Regardless of the political situation, there are so many questions to Nicholas II in terms of adequacy.
        Nicholas II was a hunting enthusiast. He hunted bears, bison, deer, fallow deer, wild boars, foxes, wolves, squirrels, lynxes, elk, goats, beavers, otters, hare, white hare, rabbits, badgers, martens, ferrets, ermines, weasels, minks, pheasants, ducks , wood grouse, black grouse, white and gray partridges, hazel grouses, wild pigeons, eagles, owls, eagle owls, jays, magpies, harlequins, ravens, ravens, hawks, woodcocks. According to I. V. Zimin, stray cats and dogs.

        What is this "holy martyr" who killed so many creatures of God for the sake of entertainment? He really did not starve ...
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 22 July 2021 16: 10
          +1
          Church is an instrument of politics.
          1. motorized rifle
            motorized rifle 22 July 2021 23: 10
            -1
            Policy tool and church and prices and threefold baptism and even the question
            Church is an instrument of politics.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 22 July 2021 23: 29
              +1
              This is about the reckoning of Nikolashka-bloody to the face only on the basis of the fact that he was responsible for the thousand-year slavery of the Russian peasant. For all the crushers, "blue bloods" answered. Well, no luck. It was such a time, he provoked himself by joining someone else's war for the interests of others. And the abscess burst. And there and under a hot hand turned up a frostbitten "revolutionary"
              1. motorized rifle
                motorized rifle 22 July 2021 23: 46
                +2
                I agree in everything except "unlucky", he deserved his karma.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 22 July 2021 23: 57
                  0
                  I will not say about karma, I do not know what it is, but for my family (not for his girls, I feel sorry for them very much) for many centuries, tormented our people, I answered in full. He ruled ineptly, vanished ineptly.
                  1. datura23
                    datura23 23 July 2021 09: 05
                    -1
                    he disappeared so that until the end of time his memory will not dry out
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 23 July 2021 09: 57
                      +2
                      However, how many crustaceans have grown up on our land. Did not finalize the Cheka-NKVD-KGB. The machine of bourgeois propaganda is working, the complacency of the 70-80s of the last century reverberated on the proletariat.
                      1. datura23
                        datura23 23 July 2021 10: 01
                        0
                        I am proud of the NKVD grandfather and I go to the Temple, I respect Stalin, I despise Kolchak.
                        They are counted among the Saints not for how they lived, but for the result of life, personal life. The admission to the face of a passion-bearer is not a reward, but a statement of a worthy death. No one in the Church considers him to be a good ruler, since the results are obvious, but that does not bother us.
                      2. Essex62
                        Essex62 23 July 2021 10: 32
                        +1
                        How do you respect the Bolshevik Stalin, from whom, in fact, all the nobles, including the tsar, suffered? It is necessary to choose a side.
                        And the church is one of the instruments of power of the backbones.
                      3. datura23
                        datura23 23 July 2021 10: 42
                        -1
                        Bolshevik Stalin restored the Patriarchate and saved Russia, I am silent about its formation. Centurion Longinus crucified Christ in general and pierced Him with a spear, but we consider him a saint, you are too superficial
                      4. Essex62
                        Essex62 23 July 2021 21: 14
                        +3
                        I'm just an atheist. And Stalin used a lot of useful things for the country and the people. By the way, the priests do not want to rank him for the salvation of the Fatherland?
                      5. datura23
                        datura23 24 July 2021 17: 12
                        0
                        there is such a party in the Russian Orthodox Church)))
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 23 July 2021 14: 46
                -1
                You are really some kind of infantile or just stupid. Those whom you call the crustaceans died in wars for this country. They led the armies and fleets. They died on the battlefield. We entered Berlin and Paris. Healed people and wrote books. Developed their country. Lord ... and these people want change ...
              3. Essex62
                Essex62 23 July 2021 21: 11
                +2
                They died for their country. The serf peasant and the disenfranchised artisan had a different country. Very uncomfortable, because they were sitting on his neck.
                Bright Buddha, what will not reach you, no matter how, there is no place for you on our land, with your desire for inequality by right of birth.
                "Only we are workers of the world Great Army of Labor, we have the right to own the Earth ..."
                I infantile fought to death with your counter, and it is not my fault that I survived. Do not yet understand how I feel about you?
              4. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 23 July 2021 21: 42
                -1
                What were the rules for such people and lived. You know, a soldier now and under the Union is also a being without rights and is at the level of a serf for a certain period of time. Did they sit on his neck? Sure, not a problem. Therefore, their forks. Everything is Feng Shui. Drunken sailors of combat generals on bayonets are normal.
              5. Essex62
                Essex62 23 July 2021 22: 11
                +1
                The soldier swears allegiance to his homeland, and is obliged to follow the order. And if any organism with big stars on its epaulettes compels to perform what does not apply to the defense of the Motherland, then this organism is an enemy of the people. He does not understand this and does not agree with this, but it is so. One of the factors that the SA remained inert when the counter-coup muddied.
                And we broke your rules, and yes, with pitchforks and bayonets. What did you want after centuries of humiliation?
                Find a story about landowners who hunted serfs with hunting rifles. And tired of chasing through the fields, they arranged a shooting gallery.
                There was enough cruelty during the formation of Soviet power, but how else if the backbones rested. Civil war is a bloody thing, and the class struggle is not giving away gingerbread.
                Sorry for the people, sorry for everyone, and for the goldsmiths too, they are Russians. But whoever understood, accepted and joined the ranks rose high. Many.
            2. datura23
              datura23 24 July 2021 17: 13
              +1
              you didn't fight with anyone, don't be ridiculous
            3. Essex62
              Essex62 28 July 2021 00: 54
              +1
              If you were funny, I got caught in 93, it would have been completely funny. Where did you get the confidence to say so? Well open up.
            4. datura23
              datura23 28 July 2021 06: 30
              0
              those who fought do not boast about it
            5. Essex62
              Essex62 28 July 2021 10: 10
              +1
              And where did you get that I ... For me, this is, in general, a tragedy. Theirs in theirs. Pain for life.
              I just substantiated my words.
            6. datura23
              datura23 28 July 2021 17: 18
              +1
              okay, sorry if it hurt.
            7. Essex62
              Essex62 28 July 2021 18: 38
              +1
              Sure, not a problem. hi I was just surprised, who knows more about me, except me. Of course, I'm not a kid already, but I don't fall into insanity and complete sclerosis. And according to the presidential decree on pensions, young people in general wink
  • azkolt
    azkolt 27 July 2021 19: 10
    0
    Quote: Essex62
    This is about the reckoning of Nikolashka-bloody to the face only on the basis of the fact that he was responsible for the thousand-year slavery of the Russian peasant. For all the crushers, "blue bloods" answered. Well, no luck. It was such a time, he provoked himself by joining someone else's war for the interests of others. And the abscess burst. And there and under a hot hand turned up a frostbitten "revolutionary"

    And the children were also caught by the frostbitten revolutionary? And all the fuss long before the murder, so that the name of the house became Ipatyevsky, is also the work of a "frostbitten revolutionary"? Your whole revolution is a campaign of ghouls against the Russian people. As they said then, the revolution is based on the Jewish mind, the Latvian bayonet and the Russian fool!
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 28 July 2021 01: 09
      +2
      Are the Russian people backward-looking nobles, bourgeois and kulaks? You are talking nonsense. Dur to the man who put up with you for so long. With regards to the international, this is how it should be. And has the entire Jewish mind now flowed into the Aligarhat?
      Ghouls are those who for centuries humiliated people of Russian and other nationalities by fattening on their slave labor.
      And Nikolashka was slapped by local "revolutionaries". It was only in books and movies that the all-seeing eye of Lenin kept watch over everything. Hell no. After VOSR, such a brothel was walking around the country, with so many different-suited players. Including organized crime groups who called themselves revolutionaries. It took a long time to clean it.
      It is necessary to study the materiel more carefully.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 22 July 2021 12: 56
    +6
    Quote: Olgovich
    in a country at war, everything should be subordinated to one goal - victory

    here! Finally, I saw in your comments confirmation that Nik2 was a rag and no statesman. You cannot use Freedom in a country at war. This is a flaw in power
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  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 22 July 2021 14: 28
    +3
    Minus from you an honor for me! then hit! smile
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 15: 39
    +10
    in a belligerent country, everything should be subordinated to one goal - the victory over the aggressor, and in Western Europe they acted much more correctly, introducing severe restrictions and rules in society.
    But the working day was not yet rationed back to back before the war. As wanted "the owner of factories, newspapers, ships" and appointed as much.
    Where the author is right, and it is common knowledge, is that
    (c) "Olgovich". Further excerpt -
    In the stronghold of democracy and republican values ​​- France, during the German invasion in 1914, thousands of people were shot without any trial (according to the law on martial law) - criminals (they were considered a threat to society during the war), deserters, etc.

    But when the same thing happened in the USSR, during the Great War, in the interwar period, and especially during the Second World War, a record about "one hundred million innocently tortured in concentration camps" was immediately turned on.
    Those. this happens in "enlightened" Europe - it is - good In RI - good If in the USSR then - negative Bat-t-shadow double standards!
    Or our favorite - "You don't understand! It's OTHER." wink
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 July 2021 10: 46
      -9
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      But the working day was not rationed yet back-to-back before the war.

      what "normal" day was on the farm (and the peasants are 80% of the population)? fool
      And where are the peasants' pensions, sick leave, passports? fool NOTHING!

      Yours attached peasants to the land, and workers to factories, and this is in PEACEFUL time!
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      But when the same thing happened in the USSR, during the Great War, in the interwar period, and especially during the Second World War, a record about "one hundred million innocently tortured in concentration camps" was immediately turned on.

      you still don’t understand WHAT is peaceful and WHAT is wartime?

      Do you realize that in ONE PEACEFUL year (37-38) was shot 700 OWN fellow citizens ? The executions took place under the leadership of the People's Commissar of the NKVD, the General Commissar of State Security, the secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Belarus, a passive and active homosexual, alcoholic and sadist Yezhov. Will it ever reach you that this has never happened anywhere in the world, neither in peacetime nor in wartime?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 23 July 2021 11: 18
        +2
        but
        fool fool
        as usual there are no reasons
        ONE PEACEFUL YEAR (37-38) 700 OWN fellow citizens were shot? The executions took place under the leadership of the People's Commissar of the NKVD, the General Commissar of State Security, the secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Belarus, a passive and active homosexual, alcoholic and sadist Yezhov. Will it ever reach you that this has never happened anywhere in the world, neither in peacetime nor in wartime?

        Have you read the Solzhenitsyn? good Why is there so little? Why not 70?
        passive and active homosexual, alcoholic and sadist Yezhov
        Did you hold a candle? (but I don’t deny that he was a bastard) And statements in the style of "June 22, 1941, Stalin sat under the table"
        then this has never happened anywhere in the world, neither in peacetime, nor in wartime?

        Of course, this is possible.
        only in THIS country
        And everywhere there was the goodness of the air and peace in the whole world wink
        Well, yes, the peasants in "enlightened" Britain will not let them lie) Did you hear about the "fencing"? Of course not. And this is history (at least in my time) passed. I will refresh my memory (not yours. There are already drafts lol
        https://hist-world.com/istoriya-srednikh-vekov-v-xvii/120-ogorazhivaniya-i-ikh-posledstviya-v-anglii-v-16v.html
        Further, the famous "Vorfolomeevskaya night" - About 30 killed in just one night!
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Варфоломеевская_ночь#:~:text=Варфоломе́евская%20ночь%20(фр.%20massacre%20de,в%20канун%20дня%20святого%20Варфоломея
        "Night of the Long Knives" in Germany in 1934 - only about 10 were officially killed and executed. wink About all sorts of Cambodia with Pol-Pot, African countries where they cut their own, I am still generally silent.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 July 2021 12: 00
          -10%
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Have you read the Solzhenitsyn? Why is there so little? Why not 70?

          Pavlov's reference will help you, ignoramus: NOBODY denies these numbers except for frank words.
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          did you hold the candle? (but I do not deny that he was a bastard)

          read the protocols of Ezhov's INTERROGATIONS - no one denies them except for the frank ones in
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Have you heard about "fencing"?

          this is ... the SIXTEENTH century, but even then people were NOT shot.
          Got it, no?
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Vorfolomeevskaya night "

          this is the SIXTEENTH CENTURY, and then the number of victims is TWENTY times less.
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          About all sorts of Cambodia with Pol-Pot, African countries where they cut their own, I am still generally silent.

          we are talking about officially destroyed the state, not a massacre.

          Even in Cambodia, it was about 170 thousand behind four years as estimated by the CIA. The rest are victims of hunger

          And yes, give such figures for some civilized and comparable countries - EUROPE, AMERICA. What? No?

          when you find, come.

          Shame ...
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 23 July 2021 12: 21
            +4
            ignoramus
            ,
            outspoken iots
            well, the transition to personalities (not for the first time I will notice) means one thing - "the opponent was blown away" wink
            And yes, give such figures for some civilized and comparable countries - EUROPE, AMERICA. What? No?
            Of course, you missed the point about Germany in 1934 (as always, we do not see what is not profitable) I will quote myself -
            "Night of the Long Knives" in Germany in 1934 - only about 10 were officially killed and executed.

            And by the way, concentration camps in Germany appeared around the same time. And the first prisoners were just their own - the Germans wink
            Next
            we are talking about officially destroyed by the state, not massacre.
            Cambodia (Kampuchea) apparently was not a state.
            Even in Cambodia, about 170 thousand were executed in four years, according to the CIA.

            Oh yeah! CIA, BBC, Radio Liberty, Voice of America are excellent sources good
            The rest are victims of hunger
            That is, the state is to blame for the famine in the USSR, but not in Cambodia! good And again our beloved - "You don't understand! It's OTHER." good
            Then repeat -
            And yes, give such numbers for some civilized and comparable countries - EUROPE, AMERICA. What? No?

            Ie, in your opinion, if someone is knocked to the right and to the left somewhere in Africa, then they are not killing people there? (inhumans). those. do not people live there for you? I understand correctly?
            Those. just because someone lives in a reed hut somewhere in Namibia, from which corporations are siphoning valuable resources, from the sale of which the local population does not get anything, then this "someone living in a hut" is not a person? Those. the one who plunders undeveloped countries (with the permission of the states of these countries) without giving the population anything in return - for schools, hospitals, roads, or houses - good uncles with kind faces... Bravo. I recognize the "old days" of Joseph Goebbels. The same was being prepared for my country after the final conquest.
            Bat-t-yenka! You I see a Nazi! A kind of "white gentleman" looking with contempt at those who ordained in impoverished countries and did not know education and sciences only for the reason that his country has only been robbed for centuries.
            Such as you, "uncles with kind faces" and brought (and bring) blood and devastation to the world. Just to fill my pocket. These are the ones who dream of returning the monarchy, and themselves to have serfs (i.e. slaves) again, to deprive them of a normal education and force them to plow for themselves for food. Here is your true face wink
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 July 2021 14: 49
              -9
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              well, the transition to personalities (not for the first time I will notice) means one thing - "the opponent was blown away"

              where, what "personality"? belay
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              Of course, you missed the point about Germany in 1934 (as always, we do not see what is not profitable) I will quote myself -
              "Night of the Long Knives" in Germany in 1934 - only about 10 were officially killed and executed.

              And by the way, concentration camps in Germany appeared around the same time. And the first prisoners were just their own - the Germans

              by the way, the ELEPHANT appeared, yes, in 1920

              I missed this inconvenient moment for YOU: in Hitler's Germany, in the same 1937-38 ... 267 people were shot. In the USSR - see according to Pavlov's certificate. In 1939, there were 30 thousand prisoners in German concentration camps, in the USSR, dozens of times more.

              Yes, think about who you are comparing to fool
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              we are talking about officially destroyed by the state, not massacre.
              Cambodia (Kampuchea) apparently was not a state

              Rwanda is also a state, but it was not it that cut a million there.
              Got it, no?

              It's about those who have been officially sentenced by the state
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              Oh yeah! CIA, BBC, Radio Liberty, Voice of America are excellent sources

              bring another
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              The rest are victims of hunger
              That is, the state is to blame for the famine in the USSR, but not in Cambodia!

              fool and there. and there is guilt. But the shootings are not death by starvation.
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              Ie, in your opinion, if someone is knocked to the right and to the left somewhere in Africa, then they are not killing people there? (inhumans). those. do not people live there for you? I understand correctly?

              fool
              talking about COMPARATIBLE things. But this was not the case in any Africa either.

              А the life of EVERY person is priceless everywhere and alwayshack into your forehead.
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              good uncles with kind faces. Bravo. I recognize the "old days" of Joseph Goebbels. The same was being prepared for my country after the final conquest.
              Bat-t-yenka! You i see a nazi! A kind "white lord"looking with contempt at those who have ordained in impoverished countries and have not learned education and sciences only by

              belay fool lol
              it is already beyond reason.

              So go free!
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 23 July 2021 15: 03
                +1
                outspoken iots
                correction is an insult wink
                And the life of EVERY person is priceless everywhere and always, hack to death on your forehead.
                yes, yes .... of course) Only your (and your like) worldview speaks of the opposite)))
                fool and there. and there is guilt. But the shootings are not death by starvation.
                Do you have anything to compare with? laughing I doubt it very much. Most likely, they did not serve in the army either))) But I went on a hunger strike, not to death, fortunately, but pretty much lost weight (up to a third of the then 75 kilos) wink And, in your opinion, only the execution is judged? OK. Then the gas chambers of Nazi concentration camps apparently do not count. good
                belay fool lol
                it is already beyond reason.
                - exclusively yours. wink
                according to Pavlov's certificate
                You, besides this Pavlov, apparently do not know anyone else)) Look what Zemskov wrote wink
                You know! I am more and more beginning to understand who you remind me of - a schoolboy who visited
                Yeltsin Center with a school tour wassat And on whose pure and unprepared soul a cartoon fell right from the doorway, which is being played at the beginning! I understand that a child's psyche is vulnerable wassat
                My condolences )))
              2. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 23 July 2021 15: 53
                0
                I will add to -
                And the life of EVERY person is priceless everywhere and always, hack to death on your forehead.

                Have you heard about the "boxing uprising" in China? I think no winked
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ихэтуаньское_восстание (это было и в школьном курсе истории wink )
                Do you know who, along with a number of other countries such as Japan, Germany, England, USA ..... participated in its suppression ??? Who shot, chopped, stabbed with bayonets the Chinese who dared to rebel against the fact that their country would be plundered and the people were poisoned with opium? You will never guess wink And with whose knowledge this was done probably also not in the know bully
                I suppose the Chinese were not considered human wink
              3. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 24 July 2021 15: 12
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                And the life of EVERY person is priceless everywhere and always, hack to death on your forehead.

                Was this the basic life principle of your idols, such as Kolchak, Krasnov, Semyonov? Is that what you want to say?
          2. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 23 July 2021 12: 27
            0
            Pavlov's help to help you
            which is quoted in the Yeltsin Center? Bravo lol
            Truly a storehouse of TRUTH wassat good
            Personally, I tend to trust this - http://1-sovetnik.com/articles/article-1107.html
            And why? Everything is simple. The people who won the Civil War would not tolerate this over themselves! He endured for a long time. And sometimes it burst. The most widely heard is the Uprising of Yemelyan Pugachev and Stepan Razin. Or did someone give them money too? wink So show this money! As well as the money that the Kaiser gave to Lenin)) Something has not yet been proven by anyone. Only conversations bully
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 24 July 2021 14: 49
        +1
        I know you are stubbornly denying the facts, but can you just kick your ass up and find out what a passport is and when was it issued? In the Republic of Ingushetia, the peasants did not have any passports, and could not have, as in any society in which the bulk of the people are illiterate. A passport was a document issued only when moving somewhere. In Soviet times, such a document was a certificate from the village council, that is, the same piece of paper that confirms that you are not just hanging around here. Moreover, it is not a person who needs a passport, but the police need it, and I already know my name, and I am not at all happy that I have to present a document containing a lot of information about me to various organizations. Simply the slavish nature of the kingdoms requires a person to have a collar with a tag, like on a dog.

        Pensions for peasants were absent as a class; they did not appear immediately in Soviet times. The very idea of ​​pensions for peasants living in a community is absurd, since the old people were supported by the community, and then by the collective farm. And very few survived to 55-60. Without hospitals, you will die of ordinary appendicitis, not to mention something more serious.

        The overwhelming majority of things common in our and even Soviet times were absent under the tsar.

        what a "normal" day was on the farm


        Ordinary, go teach how the work was organized there. True, compared to the factory where you work strictly on schedule, the collective farm is just a Cossack freeman, and listening to verbal diarrhea about oppressed collective farmers is simply ridiculous. Having passed the plan to the state, the leftovers could still sell on the market at exorbitant prices, and sometimes they worked out 1 person per family, they work out for all workdays, while the rest in their personal garden grow personal carrots with potatoes for sale

        Do you realize that in ONE PEACEFUL year (37-38) 700 OWN fellow citizens were shot


        Do you know where it all came from? Was it not your white-bellied woman who started a civil war and brought society to psychosis 20 years earlier? All this civilian public in leather jackets with revolvers and rr-revolutionary legal consciousness by the end of the 30s had just reached the ages and high positions. And was it not your white-bellied underdoits in the 37th who wrote false denunciations? Then there was a lot of things, and real cases, especially in the 38th, when they began to wool those who wrote scribbles on honest people, and nonsense. Although, given the simple fact that before the revolution, only the children of kulaks and various merchants with nobles had an education, and, accordingly, simply because of literacy they easily crawled everywhere, there can be no doubt about the presence of a huge number of advisers and pests in the governing bodies.

        Repressions 37-38, obviously, the result of a very specific conspiracy of Tukhachevsky, after such things, repression always follows, the closest example is Turkey in 2016, when tens of thousands of people began to plant and fire, and in the 1930s they would shoot. But this is only a trigger spring, their main reason is the civil war, which formally ended in 1922, but the dissatisfied did not disappear anywhere, and the tsar-"father" who brought the country to such a psychosis that he could be resolved only by complete physical destruction ... It is clear that the pre-war time, but without hatred, such things do not roll.

        In general, under the tsar, without trial and investigation, the peasants could be screwed to death, they could shoot a workers' demonstration on hundreds of corpses. Send the Cossacks with whips, do you think they won't beat someone to death with a seven-tailed whip? WWI began, so almost all the recruits of the medical board recorded traces of corporal punishment. After 1905, literally the whole country was ransacked. And it was kind of normal, no one is outraged, but the fact that in the USSR there were quite typical repressions with executions, and only a couple of years after the conspiracy was revealed, it scares you. Is it because you yourself are placing the USSR on a higher stage of development, in which such things are already unacceptable?

        And yes, the only book on the history of repression that begins with the correct formulation of the question is "Khrushchev. Creators of Terror" by Elena Anatolyevna Prudnikova, where she immediately begins with an analysis of the legal situation in the USSR in the 30s, and before that in the Russian Empire. But the kingdoms, of course, cannot master this.
  • Essex62
    Essex62 22 July 2021 15: 51
    +8
    Oh, sweet crunchy loaf, but like a golden shoulder strap shines ... and in the face, in the muzzle of the lower rank.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 16: 09
      +11
      Oh, sweet crunchy loaf, but like a golden shoulder strap shines ... and in the face, in the muzzle of the lower rank.
      and the lower rank, at the same time, would stand in a frunt, devour his beloved bosses with his eyes and show joy on his face! And then, as you have fun, you can strain through clenched teeth - "psh-w-go out! S-s-bastard!" And you can, after throwing "peaches" (a term that means zubotychin in the RI fleet), throw a penny under your feet. Like - "on you for vodka!" And to hear in response - "I humbly thank your-high-nobility!". And our crystal baker will think - Eh! "It is good for the people in Russia, a saint ..." (c) N. A. Nekrasov. "Who lives well in Russia."
      Here's just the catch. For some reason, these are the crushers who are piously sure that they would be exclusively nobles, industrialists and other "respected gentlemen"
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 22 July 2021 16: 20
        +11
        They dream of building a new nobility. I here with one such butted not long ago on VO. He kept trying to plunge me into ignorance with his face. They say I'm here the color and the navel, I have all sorts of different publications ... Well, by type, as you wrote hi
        Honestly, the index finger is itching. I envy the hard workers of the beginning of the last century. They took away their souls for a thousand years of humiliation of the Russian peasant.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 16: 26
          +8
          They dream of building a new nobility.
          Well, I remember Alka Pugacheva bought some title in the 90s wassat Well, we are already moving towards a class society, while the truth is not legislative, but I would not be surprised if soon I hear about such a bill loaded into the "mad printer". And there, and the "Law on Cook's Children" will give a lift .... hi
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 22 July 2021 16: 33
            +2
            I probably won't live. They are fighters, guys, all the same. According to their concepts, this is not theirs. But when the "macaroshki" fit on the Kremlin stool, then immediately.
            I'm sorry for my grandchildren.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 July 2021 11: 35
      -9
      Quote: Essex62
      Eh sweet crunchy loaf,

      where does she care about crunching bones of the people under the "nogodny" government, which no one has ever elected anywhere ..
      Quote: Essex62
      and on the muzzle, on the muzzle of the lower rank.

      have mercy, well, what "bottom? belay

      future Marshal of Victory Rokkosovsky broke his ribs, knocked out his teeth and flattened his fingers with a hammer, they kneaded the whole Marshal of the USSR Blucher to death, mutilated General Gorbatov, tortured Meretskov, crippled the Queen, etc.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 23 July 2021 21: 40
        0
        Have you read a lot of Solzhenitsyn and other shitty scholars, or will you be one of them yourself?
        My grandmother and mother, 9 months old, were saved from death by a senior major of the NKVD. And then there would not have been my family. And the political instructor covered his grandfather with the belly of his Yak. Well, these bloody executioners who are misanthropists. Go crunch your roll and do not fool people with your head, or not your own, nonsense.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 July 2021 09: 02
          -7
          Quote: Essex62
          Have you read a lot of Solzhenitsyn and other shitty scholars, or will you be one of them yourself?

          good So
          Quote: Essex62
          ovopisak
          knows best and writes about them myself
          Quote: Essex62
          ovopisak
          yes
          Quote: Essex62
          there would be no my family

          so HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS families were gone: in just one single peaceful the year 08.1937-08.1938 was shot 680 thousand men and women-see Pavlov's reference

          HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS families perished in peasant exile and exile.

          Oh, it’s not your family and don’t give a damn, huh, Kostokhrust?

          People wanted to live less than you, right? fool
          Quote: Essex62
          Go crunch with a roll and do not fool people with your head, or not your own, nonsense.

          lol how funny these bankrupts, crunching with pouring sand and mothballs, are forever gone. laughing
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 24 July 2021 09: 52
            +1
            Not a test, the arguments are phony. Leaning against the wall and involved in compulsory work and not in such a quantity as liberalism gives out on the mountain, were the enemies of Soviet power. Leave them to shit, don't build socialism.
            As for bankruptcy, wait and see. The craving for a just structure of society in a person is inescapable.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 July 2021 10: 11
              -6
              Quote: Essex62
              Not a test, the arguments are phony.

              you don’t have them at all, like all kostokhrustov lol
              Quote: Essex62
              Leaning against the wall and involved in compulsory work and not in such an amount

              USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs gave out the amount, dunno. Official reference of Pavlov

              These HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of citizens in the USSR were shot in 1937-38 by the People's Commissar of the NKVD of the USSR, the General Commissar of State Security, the secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Belarus, an active and passive homosexual, an alcoholic and sadist N Yezhov.
              Such are the justice and heroes of thee
              Quote: Essex62
              enemies of Soviet power

              this is the power-enemy: see the number of those shot and exiled: IN ANYONE, even in a cap country, there was no such thing.

              I ask again: did these people want to live less than you?

              WHAT are you better, huh? fool
              Quote: Essex62
              As for bankruptcy, wait and see. The craving for a just structure of society in a person is inescapable.

              millions were deprived of the main right and justice - the right to life.
              doesn't get it?
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 24 July 2021 17: 09
                0
                Round.
                Yezhov and his henchmen enemies punished them. Do not you know? There was enough scale on the wave of the Revolution. We sorted it out, settled it into a single society, the Soviet people, a happy people. There, and there were enough of yours, who changed their minds.
                VFR to the people crumbled oh no less. In the states, they bombed cities from planes in order to strangle the uprising. And the gold diggers unleashed terror before the Reds, by the way.
                Don't answer me anymore, I'm tired of your nonsense. There will be no more inequality in birthright, your time is up.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 25 July 2021 07: 26
                  -4
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Round.
                  Yezhov and his henchmen enemies punished them. Do not you know?

                  he shot 700 THOUSAND people. He confessed to fabricating cases.

                  But you think they were shot ... right. fool

                  Doesn't it go crazy?
                  Quote: Essex62
                  We sorted it out, settled it into a single society, the Soviet people, a happy people.

                  Once again I ask you: these MILLIONS of those exiled, executed are not part of the people, they didn’t want happiness less than you, huh? Are they not the same citizens?
                  Quote: Essex62
                  VFR crumbled to the people oh no less

                  ignorant.
                  Quote: Essex62
                  And the goldsmiths unleashed terror before the Reds, by the way.

                  by the way, before your thieves there was no GW.
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Don't answer me anymore, I'm tired of your nonsense. There will be no more inequality in birthright, your time is up.

                  at the beginning it was necessary to write.

                  And your inequality (when millions have deprived of the right to life), yes, there will never be any more hack on your forehead.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 24 July 2021 14: 51
            +2
            Help gives the number of sentences, they were not always executed, but in the Union then they could read the tower, and immediately replace them for 10 years. In civilian life, there was such a thing as a "conditional execution", when seriously nakosyachivshih read the tower, but let go to continue to work with the knowledge that once again like this will be thrown out, and led to the wall. They just understood very well that there were a lot of illiterate people, and it was not the case to shoot everyone either.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 25 July 2021 07: 29
              -4
              Quote: EvilLion
              Help gives the number of sentences, they were not always executed

              and lope didn’t come from almost seven hundred thousand?
              Let me just remind you that in Germany in 1937,38, 267 thousand people were sentenced to death.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 23 July 2021 09: 38
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    There was freedom of speech.

    Oh, you still say that the king was elected every four years by popular vote. You're a storyteller no worse than Samsonov.
    Quote: Olgovich
    in a belligerent country, everything should be subordinated to one goal - the victory over the aggressor, and in Western Europe they acted much more correctly, introducing severe restrictions and rules in society.
    Reply

    Either you have good freedom, now it’s bad, and in one and the same manifestation, you’ll be determined somehow.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 23 July 2021 10: 35
      +2
      How a person combines freedom of speech and censorship committees is a mystery. Just grab and look through the newspaper binder. Each will contain news about media censorship.

      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 23 July 2021 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        How a person combines freedom of speech and censorship committees is a mystery.

        He has a heavy monarchism of the brain. Typical Symptoms.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 July 2021 09: 34
      -5
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Oh, you still say that the king was elected every four years by popular vote. You're a storyteller no worse than Samsonov.

      poke be yours lol wife lol ,Yes lol

      Under the Emperor, the Duma was elected, and the Bolsheviks took part in it (they slapped them later. 1937 lol

      And for fairy tales, go to your party: every word is a fairy tale (in the sense of being FALSE).

      On February 19, 1933, about 15 thousand peasants died in terrible agony from hunger, as on other days in 1932-33, to which they were told to their faces:
      We have made the millions of poor people wealthy people. , we achieved that ... all this mass of the poor was involved in collective farms, gave them there secured existence.

      saved from poverty and ruin and turned into wealthy people.

      This is a great achievement, comrades. That is an achievement that the world did not know yet and which no state in the world has yet achieved.

      and so in everything.
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Either you have good freedom, now it’s bad, and in one and the same manifestation, you’ll be determined somehow.

      "uncertainty exists only among the underdeveloped: in the WAR there are restrictions that are unacceptable in peacetime
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 24 July 2021 10: 24
        -2
        Quote: Olgovich
        The Duma was elected under the Emperor

        Bugaga. This is not the Duma that was constantly dispersed and the sense from which there was little more than nothing?
        Quote: Olgovich
        On February 19, 1933, about 15 thousand peasants died in terrible agony from hunger

        What do you care about the peasants? You have a nobleman, blue blood, white bone. What do you care about cattle?
        Quote: Olgovich
        in WAR, there are restrictions that are unacceptable in peacetime

        So freedom is good or bad? A monarchist?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 July 2021 10: 45
          -4
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Bugaga. This is not the Duma that was constantly dispersed and the sense from which there was little more than nothing?

          This is the Duma where the people are participated in the government of the country.

          Compare with funny decorative so-called. "congresses" under the USSR, stupidly mechanically stamping the "decisions" of the party gurus ...
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

          What do you care about the peasants? ?

          you ... what do you care what do I care about? fool

          This is not your business at all.
          Got it, no?
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          So freedom is good or bad?

          breathe good or bad, eh, fool ?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 24 July 2021 10: 59
            -1
            Quote: Olgovich
            This is the Duma where the people took part in governing the country.

            Oha. Participated. As an actor in a burnt-out theater.
            Quote: Olgovich
            This is not your business at all.

            So I say. What do you care about the peasants?
            Quote: Olgovich
            breathe good or bad, eh,

            We're actually talking about freedom, not about breathing. You croaked some nonsense and now you are trying to wriggle out when you were pinned to the wall with a pitchfork.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 24 July 2021 11: 47
              -2
              Compare with funny decorative so-called. "congresses" under the USSR, stupidly mechanically stamping the "decisions" of the party gurus ...
              this was already in the late USSR. And it began under Khrushchev. whom "you" allegedly caught. Well, about the level of "your" argumentation from the Yeltsin Center, I already wrote good
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 July 2021 12: 23
              -5
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Oha. Participated. As an actor in a burnt-out theater.

              much more shameful so-called. "congresses"
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              So I say. What do you care about the peasants?

              so I say: nobody's business, what business I care about.
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              We're actually talking about freedom, not about breathing. You croaked some nonsense and now you are trying to wriggle out when you were pinned to the wall with a pitchfork.

              lol
              I say, and here you are
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              crowed
              When
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              you were pinned to the wall with a pitchfork.
              lol
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              this was already in the late USSR.

              it was all over the USSR, especially in your beloved 1920,30,40,50, when people were afraid to utter a word and were afraid of their shadow. And all the same, hundreds of thousands of them were shot, millions were imprisoned and exiled, millions died of hunger, and one and a half hundred million are deprived of elementary ordinary freedom
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              do not our people choose in the elections now? And, dofiga, what is he involved in?

              in everything, choose a party, a candidate, campaign, vote, read, say that you like-as you are now. Would you grunt your 37 something against the authorities, yes ...

              in the USSR-elections were not AT ALL, because your bosses were afraid of them to the screeching of pigs and enuresis at night.
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              poke your lol wife lol, yes lol
              well, "you," you fire up the people with all sorts of epithets like
              outspoken iots
              , relegating the conversation to the rank of swara on the bench in front of the entrance, so what's the problem that "you" were poked?

              you are not the people, but you are not touched by anyone, learn Russian, ignoramus.

              A. um, poke-you will be yours lol wife lol

              Got it, no?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 24 July 2021 13: 24
                -1
                Quote: Olgovich
                much more shameful so-called. "congresses"

                That is, even more involved in cosplaying democracy?
                Quote: Olgovich
                in everything, choose a party, a candidate, campaign, vote, read, say that you like-as you are now. Would you grunt your 37 something against the authorities, yes ...

                Well, now you grunt something against the authorities. Begin to portray the stormy activity as the same parsley pseudo-communist Platoshkin. And I'll see how the authorities chew you up and spit you out. You have no choice, only its illusion. One way or another, those candidates will come to power who are not beneficial to the people at all, but to certain groups of the bourgeoisie. However, if you are from their cohort of effective managers then you are undoubtedly right. You really choose candidates who are profitable for you.
                Quote: Olgovich
                in the USSR-elections were not AT ALL, because your bosses were afraid of them to the screeching of pigs and enuresis at night.

                Why then these two clowns Platoshkin and Navalny were put behind bars? Since we have such all of a fearless power?
                And yet, stop attributing quotes to me from other people's comments. This is absolutely some kind of shameful to the point of naivety demagogic trick.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 July 2021 13: 45
                  -5
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  That is, even more involved in cosplaying democracy?

                  I am your ... so-called. I don't understand "Russian".
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Well, now you grunt something against the authorities. Begin to portray the stormy activity as the same parsley pseudo-communist Platoshkin. And I'll see how the authorities chew you up and spit you out. You have no choice, only its illusion. One way or another, those candidates will come to power who are not beneficial to the people at all, but to certain groups of the bourgeoisie. However, if you are from their cohort of effective managers then you are undoubtedly right. Why then these two clowns Platoshkin and Navalny were put behind bars?

                  criminals are in jail.
                  Where should they be? platoshkin does not sit, you do not sit
                  Respect the decisions of the COURT!

                  You and the others here write whatever you want against the authorities and, we look at Moscow's Zho, rain, and so on, whoever wants to, he carries it. And nothing.

                  Would have written against - in 1937, yeah.

                  go build your super-super-commented party, win elections-go ahead

                  Ahhh, the sofa stuck lol lol to ... the wrestler.
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  And yet, stop attributing quotes to me from other people's comments. This is absolutely some kind of shameful to the point of naivety demagogic trick.

                  ide? belay
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 24 July 2021 14: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    criminals are in jail.

                    Yes, sure. For Yeltsin, we got a whole Yeltsin center. And all this fight against corruption comes down to the struggle of some clans against others and the cutting out of certain individuals who have completely lost their shores, endangering the interests of the entire class of effective managers in general.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Respect the decisions of the COURT!

                    And you're smart. You should be in ancient Rome to tell the rebellious slaves about respect for the Roman court. I wonder what they would do to you?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    go build your super-super-commented party, win elections-go ahead

                    Am I not clear enough? Or are you having another bout of alternative genius?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Ahhh, the couch stuck to the ... wrestler.

                    A chatterbox who doesn't know what wrestling is at all gives me advice on wrestling. Hand face.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 25 July 2021 07: 16
                    -5
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    the fight against corruption is reduced to the struggle of some clans against others

                    tired. and
                  3. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 25 July 2021 09: 59
                    0
                    Your opinion is very important to us. Write ischo.
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 24 July 2021 11: 46
        -2
        This is the Duma where the people took part in governing the country.
        do not our people choose in the elections now? And, dofiga, what is he involved in? recourse
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 24 July 2021 11: 44
    -2
    poke your lol wife lol, yes lol
    well, "you," you fire up the people with all sorts of epithets like
    outspoken iots
    , relegating the conversation to the rank of swara on the bench in front of the entrance, so what's the problem that "you" were poked? wink
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 24 July 2021 14: 17
    0
    Whose cow mooed, yours would be silent.
  • ABC-schütze
    ABC-schütze 25 July 2021 22: 51
    0
    Alas, the author is wrong about this ...

    On August 29, 1914, a personalized imperial decree was adopted "On the extension of the
    on measures to maintain state order and public peace and on the further abandonment of certain areas of the Empire in a state of emergency protection. "The text of the law did not spell out any measures directly related to industrial production, but on its basis, a number of local In particular, relying on this decree, Vladimir N. Creighton, the governor of Vladimir, prohibited on the territory entrusted to him "incitement and coercion to strikes and strikes of workers in factories, factories and all kinds of industrial and trade enterprises. "Violation of the ban was punishable by arrest for 3 months or a fine of up to 3000 rubles (which is not sickly ...). The imposed penalties were supposed to be carried out by the police no later than 3 days from the date of the charge, which clearly indicates an extraordinary nature of these laws.

    Later, the "register" of restrictions only expanded ...

    But that’s not the point. What is the use of talking about certain "freedoms" in Russia "during the war" if there was a considerable "deficit" of them even in peacetime? .. The same peasants, as punishment, according to the LAW, were "officially allowed" to be flogged, until 1905 ...
  • Bar1
    Bar1 22 July 2021 07: 43
    -16%
    Duma leaders and generals, grand dukes and industrialists, bankers and churchmen after 1905 felt like independent players in the political field of Russia. The Russian autocrat became a hindrance to their political and economic plans and career ambitions. Therefore, the then Russian elite supported the desire of the “fifth column” and the West to overthrow the monarchy.


    those who were able to earn some kind of money allowed by the POWER, that there is also some power, could never count on the possession of all the fullness of POWER. Putin, he was transferred to power for a while for the subsequent transfer to the "legitimate" masters of Russia - the Romanovs, but he did not want to transfer power from here all the problems with the West.

    Samsonov do not forget that Nicholas did not lose power, it was not taken away, but he HIMSELVED from power and, in fact, betrayed Russia and its people.

    The chaos that came after the renunciation is always chaos CONTROLLED i.e. Someone created it. For example, the disappearance of bread-groceries in stores forces the masses to take to the streets and riot, creating the appearance of chaos, then the food is returned to the shops again and the people calm down, but with a new type of "effective" government. Power was transferred.
    So it was in 17g. so it was in 89-91. Products disappeared from the shops and the people began to riot demanding a change of power, and this change began.
    Power in Ingushetia was transferred to the Bolsheviks, who at the top were not Russian, Russian interests were alien to them. Therefore, Bolshevik Russia renounced many things that were still dear to the Russian people: from the faith of their ancestors, expressed in the old architecture, the Bolsheviks destroyed not only churches, but and whole towns and villages (the creation of the Rybinsk reservoir and the Kuibyshev reservoirs), the Bolsheviks carried out a reform of the alphabet and abandoned many Russian rules in the language. From the illiterate RI, the people stepped into the trap of total Bolshevik propaganda, when only a person who had just learned to read did not face the whole world culture, but only with literature specially created for public consumption, newspapers, propaganda books and a new form of information - cinema.
    The same processes took place in Germany. Both countries were preparing for a world massacre to exterminate the white gene pool.
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 22 July 2021 13: 06
      +8
      Quote: Bar1
      Power in Ingushetia was transferred to the Bolsheviks, who were not Russian at the top

      Nicholas II was 95.2% German. A significant part of the aristocracy, too, could not boast of Russian blood.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 23 July 2021 06: 34
        -6
        Quote: Hyperion
        Quote: Bar1
        Power in Ingushetia was transferred to the Bolsheviks, who were not Russian at the top

        Nicholas II was 95.2% German. A significant part of the aristocracy, too, could not boast of Russian blood.


        Jews have a native language also German / Yiddish, and judging by the faces of the tsars Peter3, E2, Paul and especially Alexander3, these are no longer Germans, but they are Jews.
  • Far B
    Far B 22 July 2021 04: 28
    +28
    Tin. Another Samsonov once again burns out the reader's brain napalm verb.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 22 July 2021 05: 22
      +26
      What's wrong again? The artel is doing the President's order as best it can: “It's especially great that you work in social networks. Because, as I understand it, you have the most positive attitude. Namely, there is not enough positive in social networks. And he needs 100% in the networks. ”Here's a positive and good mood in the morning from the Samsonov & K company that everyone was upset again ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 July 2021 14: 56
        +13
        Absolutely.
        Samsonov has a clear line:
        Autocracy is a gut.
        good
        Stalin, like the new red emperor - gut. good
        Putin, as the successor of the empire - gut.
        good
        All the rest are enemies - not gut.
        negative

        A simple ideological scheme.
        But the disappointed people cling to it.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 July 2021 12: 56
          +1
          And where is this fabulous people who do not cling to such schemes? The same Israel uber alles isn't it from this scheme?
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 July 2021 04: 41
    +4
    Fuck me, fuck me ...
    Tired of fighting ...
    My hut from the edge ...
    Oh, I don't know anything. smile

    From the film Bumbarash.
    When in the minds of people there will be no such chaos of order in the country.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 22 July 2021 04: 57
    +13
    The topic of the Aryans and the superethnos has not been disclosed.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 July 2021 05: 32
      +6
      Tartar gallagroup RAS 1a, typical representatives of which live in the middle black earth of Russia, the Mediterranean and along the banks of the Great Aryan-Slavic river Ganges.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 22 July 2021 05: 40
        +4
        Something my brains started to smoke from so many clever and learned words. what
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 22 July 2021 06: 18
      +3
      And LGBT people were allowed in. lol
  • Darkness
    Darkness 22 July 2021 05: 32
    +9
    I'll try to take it seriously. Nikolai himself allowed everything. Either he was not interested in anything at all (except for the form and firewood), or he was too kind-rag, or maybe both.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 22 July 2021 05: 34
      +13
      I'll try to take it seriously.
      No, I won't even try, well, I don’t shmog, I don’t shmog)
  • Catfish
    Catfish 22 July 2021 05: 39
    +11
    After all, only autocracy and held back the Russian Empire from collapse.


    In my opinion, it was this collapse that contributed in the first place.

    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 22 July 2021 06: 50
      +8
      Do you remember how in the perestroika years we were actively taught: everything was right. Only the February revolution should have stopped.

      And articles: what darlings Kerensky and Rasputin.

      I think it is more important to understand what forces were behind Rasputin's figure.
      But there are more questions than answers.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 22 July 2021 08: 36
        +3
        ... what forces stood behind the figure of Rasputin.

        The main thing is that he himself stood laughing , and what was there "behind the back" is already secondary. drinks
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 July 2021 08: 42
          +3
          Not everything revolves around a central axis.
          And not all instincts have won Sharon Stone's approval.
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            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 22 July 2021 09: 00
              +2
              I would not divide people into smart and fools. Neither a criterion to define, nor a boundary to draw.

              And before you have time to look back, at times you will find yourself a hostage of the situation.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 July 2021 09: 41
                +3
                I do not divide, but try to judge by deeds. And the tsar and tsarina were clearly, to put it mildly, out of place.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 July 2021 15: 07
                  +1
                  It ended in disaster. You can't argue with that.

                  But you cannot distinguish domestic and foreign autocrats into fit and unfit.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 July 2021 19: 58
                    +3
                    So after all, "Chickens are counted in the fall." (with) smile
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 22 July 2021 22: 21
                      0
                      It's right. We have a violent August.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 July 2021 22: 27
                        +1
                        Not all Augustus are named Octavian. request
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 July 2021 22: 28
                        +1
                        I would have answered the same myself.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 July 2021 22: 37
                        +1
                        Affinity of souls. smile
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 July 2021 22: 48
                        +2
                        The habit of the interlocutor to pin up.

                        O'Henry's "soul mates" have already been recalled.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 July 2021 00: 48
                        +1
                        And I remembered "Dead season".
                        Savushkin: "I can't drink dark beer anymore, heartburn."
                        Lodeynikov: "So switch to light"
                        Savushkin: "I can't - the affinity of souls."
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 July 2021 04: 56
                        +1
                        But this, alas, passed me by.
                        And now, unless you look at something pointwise.
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 July 2021 05: 12
                        +2
                        I liked the film, and the actors are good. And everything about real people and real events.
                      8. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 July 2021 05: 14
                        +2
                        I've heard a lot. There is a reason to watch one of the evenings.
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 July 2021 05: 37
                        +1
                        Has the meaning. And here I revisited Delon "For the Skin of a Policeman", I like the soundtrack there, "Bensonhurst Blues", Oscar Benton.
                      10. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 23 July 2021 05: 55
                        +1
                        I catch myself thinking that the first association with Delon is from Loza's song: "Alain Delon speaks French."
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 July 2021 05: 56
                        +1
                        "Alain Delon does not drink cologne" laughing drinks
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            1. Catfish
              Catfish 22 July 2021 12: 14
              +1
              Vova, you go to a narcologist, he will determine exactly what condition you are in. laughing
  • Richard
    Richard 22 July 2021 11: 27
    +11

    Here the artist Pavel Ryzhenko clearly presents his monarchist fantasies as reality.
    From the memoirs of Empress Maria Feodorovna and officers of SEIVK it is known that neither Nicholas II, nor Alexander deigned to say goodbye to SEIVK.
    On behalf of the royal family, Mother Empress Maria Fyodorovna and vl. book Mikhail Nikolaevich.
    According to the memoirs of the former commander of the 3rd hundred SEIVK esaul Viktor Sokolov:
    the escorts were especially struck by the fact that in the read out to the owner of the book. Mikhail's personal address to the convoy was not the usual "Thank you for your service," but only "I release you from your oath." And that's all. Maria Feodorovna and Mikhail, opposite, with tears in their eyes, warmly and cordially thanked us for our service ...
    Push. From myself !!! ... We parted in silence. There is an indelible feeling of ingratitude and some kind of abomination of what is happening. After that, all my monarchical illusions completely disappeared ...
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 22 July 2021 11: 33
      +1
      I'm actually talking about Grishka, not about Kolka's farewell to the escort. laughing
      1. Richard
        Richard 22 July 2021 11: 45
        +3
        Hi, Kostya.
        I'm actually talking about Grishka, not about Kolka's farewell to the escort

        It's clear smile I was struck by the picture at the beginning of the article and I combined the commentary on it with your line:
        And the tsar and tsarina were clearly, to put it mildly, out of place.

        Just got home from the sea. I will unload the car, walk the dog in the fishing line and go to sleep. Tired on the road.
        Hello drinks
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 July 2021 11: 46
          +2
          Hi Dima! hi
          Welcome. Relax and turn on. drinks
  • bober1982
    bober1982 22 July 2021 11: 40
    +3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    The main thing is that he himself stood

    "Whoever hurts, he talks about that"
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 22 July 2021 11: 44
      +1
      I sincerely sympathize with you. yes
      1. Richard
        Richard 22 July 2021 12: 00
        +1
        Vladimir, and minus the colonel to me for what?
        Because I greeted Kostya? Or did you say hello to everyone after a long absence?
        Wonderful belay I'm not minus you.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 July 2021 12: 17
          +1
          Dim, you were wrong, answered my post. And do not pay attention to the next pissing misunderstanding, there are few of them, such, or something. I where it turned out karma corrected. smile
          1. Richard
            Richard 22 July 2021 12: 33
            +3
            Dim, you're wrong, answered my post.

            Won how laughing
            Before leaving, I naively thought that VikNik and Lyudmila Yakovlevna overestimate the activity of the miners too much. No. Only a month was absent - and here is what is happening.
            It was necessary, as before, at the VO was to show from whom the assessments. Then this mess will stop immediately
            1. depressant
              depressant 22 July 2021 12: 43
              +2
              Dima, welcome! )))
              I was longing for you, I thought, suddenly I fell ill. Well, thank God, rest and get started! )))
              1. Richard
                Richard 22 July 2021 13: 11
                +7
                Good afternoon Lyudmila
                We arrived normally. The gate was opened. Bah! And at the porch all the living creatures gathered, the dog and the crows, and even the cat. The animals seem to have some kind of premonition.
                While Bach climbed with kisses, the cat and the crows began to examine the packages by the car. One was dropped and gutted. Bacha rushed to defend the master's property and scattered all the other bags, then piled up all the packages and lay down on them, growling at Karkusha, Chernysh and Masha. smile
                Not really, neither the crows nor the cat will recognize him as a leader yet: It is difficult for him in a new role after Rich's death. That one for all of them was an indisputable authority.
                I’ll go and call the neighbor’s girl. We must pay her for watering the garden and feeding the beast, and give her the shoes that they bought her in Krasnodar for the future graduation.
                Hello drinks
                1. depressant
                  depressant 22 July 2021 14: 20
                  +6
                  Dima, what a touching, kind story! May our whole life be like this! ))))
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 22 July 2021 13: 03
              +1
              It was necessary, as before, at the VO was to show from whom the assessments. Then this mess will stop immediately

              Probably someone is unprofitable? request
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 22 July 2021 13: 14
          +4
          Quote: Richard
          Vladimir, and minus the colonel to me for what?

          Are you addressing this to me?
          I'm not minus anyone, there is too much honor.
          Wow, and it was not too lazy to calculate the colonel's figures, you have to contrive.
          1. Richard
            Richard 22 July 2021 13: 49
            +2
            and it was not too lazy to calculate the colonel's figures, after all, one had to contrive.

            Here everything is just simple yes
            Two comments, for each minus - 50 points have decreased.
            And if you also take into account that there were no more colonels on the site at that time, and your squabble with Konstantin, then the conclusion suggests itself.
            In any case, I will not minus you, but you do as you see fit. hi
            1. Richard
              Richard 22 July 2021 13: 51
              +4
              INFORMATION FOR ALL WHO COLLECTED WITH MINUSERS
              influence of the rank on the grade (+ or -)
              Marshal - 100
              Army General - 80
              Colonel General - 60
              Lieutenant General - 50
              Major General - 40
              Colonel - 25
              Lt. Col. - 20
              Major - 18
              and so on
              1. depressant
                depressant 22 July 2021 14: 23
                +1
                Dima, how much do I add like? I have a flower in pursuit, what is this title, I do not understand)))
                1. Richard
                  Richard 22 July 2021 14: 34
                  +1

                  Since you are a marshal, you can add or subtract 100 points at once
                  PS. Unless, of course, the administration has not changed the rules in six months
                2. depressant
                  depressant 22 July 2021 14: 53
                  +1
                  Checked it out! Exactly 100.
                  There, at the very bottom, a colleague had - 548, I liked him, and it became - 448. That is, he added a hundred. I'm glad that my colleague is in favor)))
                3. Richard
                  Richard 22 July 2021 15: 12
                  +2
                  I'm chasing a flower, what is this title, I do not understand

                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, don't tell anyone about this, otherwise you will be mistaken for a high-ranking Japanese spy smile
                  They have sakura flowers instead of stars on their shoulder straps. yes
                4. bober1982
                  bober1982 22 July 2021 17: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: depressant
                  That is, he added a hundred. I'm glad that my colleague benefits

                  How it was added! the colleague will now remember with an unkind word.
              2. Undecim
                Undecim 22 July 2021 15: 08
                +3
                Don't mislead the lady. Her rating is Army General.
              3. depressant
                depressant 22 July 2021 15: 19
                +2
                Victor Nikolaevich, but I checked! I added a 100 rating to a colleague with a like)))
                I'll go check it out again. On the news. I'm waiting for an article about how our ECHR today put forward 10 claims in Ukraine, but there is still no article in the news. And there is a list of what, starting in 2014, they should have consistently put forward, but did not do it.
              4. your1970
                your1970 22 July 2021 16: 35
                +2
                Quote: depressant
                I'm waiting for an article about how our ECHR today put forward 10 claims in Ukraine, but there is still no article in the news. And there

                For a long time already there is an article
            2. Richard
              Richard 22 July 2021 15: 24
              +1
              Greetings, Victor Nikolaevich hi
              Here are the shoulder straps of an army general

              but the marshal

              judging by the insignia on the shoulder straps under the nickname Lyudmila Yakovlevna, she is a marshal
            3. depressant
              depressant 22 July 2021 15: 34
              +2
              Dima, I checked how much rating I add like, and it turned out to be a kind of spread. On this forum I add 100, on the news only 80. And, by the way, I found an article about claims against Ukraine through the ECHR, I overlooked it. I'm going to publish all 10 claims, otherwise there are only general words - in the article and on the forum.
            4. Undecim
              Undecim 22 July 2021 15: 43
              +3
              Dmitry, let's not argue. The type of shoulder strap can be selected in the profile from three options.

              These are the shoulder straps of the general of the army.

              And this is the marshal.
            5. Phil77
              Phil77 22 July 2021 19: 56
              +3
              Dmitry, no!
              The eagle is not on the chase!
              As, by the way, and the marshal in the army today. laughing
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 22 July 2021 19: 24
          +4
          Greetings Dmitry!
          Welcome and .. urgently have a rest!
          For our dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna is the admiral of the fleet.

          wink
        4. depressant
          depressant 22 July 2021 19: 47
          +7
          Seryozha, good evening! )))
          I wear such a shoulder strap, I'm not picky wassat ))))
        5. Phil77
          Phil77 22 July 2021 19: 53
          +4
          That's right! The main thing is the comments. And with this you are in complete order, I dare say. good
          Wow, of course my friend, good evening! wink
        6. depressant
          depressant 22 July 2021 20: 10
          +4
          Seryozha, I expressed my opinion down there at the bottom of the forum in two large comments. I wanted to add about the fleet, small arms, etc. ... But you know, somehow, lately, it began to quickly burn out. I get tired, there is no strength left for a serious conversation, and even more so for a dispute. How to smoke - so there is time, but to write something - as if a stupor is attacking, I cannot cross some threshold. I want to and can't.
          The heat of the power ate. She left, now it's cold, I turn on the gas)))
        7. Richard
          Richard 22 July 2021 20: 18
          +4
          Hello. Seryozha. With the past DR you drinks
          It is my fault, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, that I involuntarily misled you without seeing the black field of shoulder straps. Now I am simply doomed to add all your comments until you become a marshal. smile
  • BAI
    BAI 22 July 2021 16: 46
    +5
    I have a flower chasing

    This is not a flower. This is how the site artist sees the marshal's shoulder strap. A star superimposed on a pentagon or other star shape. The general of the army is just a star, without any overlaps.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 22 July 2021 13: 53
    +4
    Quote: Richard
    And if you also take into account that there were no more colonels on the site at that time besides you

    And they figured it out, wow, my compliments.
  • Setavr
    Setavr 22 July 2021 05: 48
    +10
    "Who killed old Russia?" My answer is that Nikolashka Sekondari killed him. I appreciated my skin more expensive than Russia.
    If he had not renounced, then he would have been forgiven for all his crimes, but selfishness won.
  • out of habit
    out of habit 22 July 2021 05: 49
    -5
    Out of habit, did they attack Samsonov again?
    Today I agree with him on almost everything.
    Asking for the power.
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      1. Spring fluff
        Spring fluff 22 July 2021 14: 05
        +3
        It is not the people who are advancing. It is difficult, step by step, to break down the outdated autocratic-monopoly structure of governing the country. With each breakdown, it is less and less autocratic-monopoly and gradually comes closer to a working democratic market model.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 July 2021 06: 06
    +11
    The presidential elections are still far away, but what pressure laughing General cleaning of brains, just washes with lye laughing
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 July 2021 06: 14
    +13
    No revolutionaries three times will be able to do anything with the state, if there are no prerequisites for this in the BASIS of any statehood - in its PEOPLE.
    Hence the conclusion that any government, regardless of what form it is (monarchy, republic, except naturally dictatorial) should monitor the mood in society and respond in a timely manner to its requests. And the authorities will look very wretched, which, with the richest natural and human resources, cannot ensure the optimal standard of living of the population not lower than the generally accepted world one in developed countries. A very important aspect in this regard is the state security service, no matter how it is formally called, which must fight outright enemies and no less severely punish domestic enemies for economic crimes, which in some cases have a corrupting influence on both the power structures and the population. who ceases to trust this power.
    Judging by the latest news and events, we are more or less protected from external threats, it's time to take on these creatures with golden toilets, such as this Stavropol gashnik and other lovers of profit at someone else's expense.
    As our president does not kick away, but he will have to pull the sword out of its scabbard, because this is already going beyond any boundaries of good and evil.
    Well, already tired of these dumbbells in power structures.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 22 July 2021 07: 46
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      ... And the authorities will look very wretched, which, with the richest natural and human resources, cannot provide an optimal standard of living for the population ...


      ..they exert a corrupting influence both on the power structures and on the population, which ceases to trust this power.


      Well, already tired of these dumbbells in power structures.


      That's right.
      Your campaign speech turned out straight. Those who say this will have good support among the masses.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 22 July 2021 07: 53
        +3
        This is not a pre-election speech, this is the result of many years of life experience and my vision of what life should be like in the country so as not to turn into prancing Papuans, as was done in Ukraine. hi
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 22 July 2021 09: 50
      +2
      A very important aspect in this regard is the state security service, no matter how it is formally called, which must fight outright enemies and no less severely punish internal enemies for economic crimes, which in some cases have a corrupting influence on both the power structures and the population, who ceases to trust this power.

      I agree with you. But lately it has become alarming because of attempts to shake the situation and the lack of reaction of the authorities to these actions.
      In the United States, all those who stormed the Capitol were declared rebels and imprisoned for long periods.
      Here, some local figure declares the commander Suvorov a murderer and billboards dedicated to him are being removed from the streets. In Sochi, a monument to Russian soldiers is being removed, as if they were seducing the local population, and a monument to some bandits was erected. Where is the reaction of the authorities? Such companionship will not lead to good.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 22 July 2021 10: 00
        +1
        Agree, such questions should not be put on the VO, but where is this happening? Moreover, one vote of almost 100% will not be heard, so you need to join the party, and which one is up to you.

        Py.Sy. You understand that the local authorities, and indeed any, are not one for all times, so choose who suits you best.
      2. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 23 July 2021 13: 27
        +1
        In the United States, all those who stormed the Capitol were declared rebels

        Those who stormed (that is, those who broke into by committing violent acts) to the building of the federal parliament (the highest legislative body).
        Here, some local figure declares the commander Suvorov a murderer and billboards dedicated to him are removed from the streets.

        SUDDENLY, if in the United States of America, the mayor of, say, a certain town of Elswertown announces that he considers the commanders Ulysses Grant or John Pershing to be murderers and orders the removal of memorial plaques from buildings in their honor, this will be a personal matter of the mayor himself and his voters. Which will give his actions (including such) an assessment in the next elections. Moreover, the maximum that such a mayor is threatened in this regard - he may not be re-elected for the next term. Everything.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 27 July 2021 10: 05
          -1
          you correctly noticed the difference between these two events. The authorities must react very harshly to any actions that may lead to their overthrow. The storming of the Capitol is just that.
          But in the second case, with the seeming mildness of the event, the consequences can be no less severe. And the authorities do not understand this moment.
          For example, in the USSR in the 70s there were attempts at nationalist uprisings, during which they tried to rename cities and streets, and denied Soviet heroes. In response, the instigators were sentenced to 15 years. (the maximum term at that time, then only the estimated execution.)
          In the late 80s, when such protests began, there was no longer any reaction from the authorities. The result is known.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 22 July 2021 06: 52
    +2
    I liked Pavel Ryzhenko's painting.
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 22 July 2021 07: 17
    +2
    After all, only autocracy and held back the Russian Empire

    Come on, but orders 1 and 2, the abolition of the police, the dismissal of governors-general, amnesty in prisons did not contribute to the destruction of the republic ???
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 July 2021 07: 17
    0
    It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Once again, the author is being discussed, not the article.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 22 July 2021 08: 17
      +3
      and what to discuss in the article, an owl on the globe?
      But the Russians, despite all the problems and difficulties, withstood the blow of the Teutons, moreover, they defeated the Austrians and Turks. We were preparing for a new battle already in Germany.
  • tatra
    tatra 22 July 2021 07: 20
    +5
    What to click on? Nicholas II himself, by his actions, led himself and his family to death, and the "Februaryists" are an analogue of perestroika and, in general, the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR and turned out to be unworthy and incapable of ruling the country.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 July 2021 07: 48
      -2
      Communist doctors and Februaryists - this is something new laughing
      1. tatra
        tatra 22 July 2021 08: 10
        +1
        What is this nonsense? What are the "communist doctors"? fool
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 July 2021 08: 28
          0
          What kind of enemies? laughing
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri 22 July 2021 09: 01
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar

        Communist doctors

        "Doctors' business" is they, isn't it? laughing
        Greetings Albert! hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 July 2021 09: 04
          0
          Greetings! hi ))
          So yes - the doctors of the communists, their hands are unclean ... laughing
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 22 July 2021 08: 35
      +4
      and "februaryists" is an analogue of perestroika

      On the contrary, rebuilders are an analogue of the Februaryists.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 July 2021 08: 07
    +3
    Whether the king was good or bad, now it does not matter. We have our own origins, but not those that are outlined now. The main thing is not to fall into great-power chauvinism, in which science, culture, and the education of our grandchildren will go under the hatchet, and can lead to an even greater catastrophe.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 July 2021 08: 09
    +2
    As the author, after yesterday's article, does not let go, pinched laughing
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 22 July 2021 08: 39
    0
    )))
    Yesterday one historian excused the Bolsheviks from regicide, today a second historian is already excluding them from the revolution. Under the leader-priest Stalin, they would not have patted the head for such a thing.
    1. tatra
      tatra 22 July 2021 08: 47
      +2
      Enough of your anti-Soviet myths. By the time of the execution, Nikolai Romanov had not been Tsar / Emperor for a year and a half, and it was not the Bolsheviks who gave the order to shoot him. They wanted to arrange a nationwide trial over him.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 July 2021 09: 06
        +2
        Irina, yesterday we discussed this topic with the Sea Cat (Konstantin). Your version, who did it? In my opinion, people on the ground decided to kill him with his family, what do you think?
    2. Mike_E
      Mike_E 22 July 2021 09: 05
      +3
      Tomorrow Stalin will be otmazhivayut from victory in the Second World ... Where the world is heading)))
  • Undecim
    Undecim 22 July 2021 08: 53
    +6
    During the war, Russia was the freest of the belligerent countries. There was freedom of speech: the sovereign, empress and their entourage were poured with mud. The opposition acted freely, which subjected the actions of the government and the tsar himself to unbridled criticism. The State Duma became the nest of the revolution. The public, which at the beginning of the war took a patriotic position, under the influence of failures and difficulties quickly slipped into rejection of "tsarism".

    Based on the author's logic, such a mess in the country, which he describes, could only be broken up by an obvious agent of the insidious West, who heads this country.
  • BAI
    BAI 22 July 2021 09: 09
    +3
    Who killed old Russia


    We read the reminiscences of A.M. Romanova (Grand Prince Alexander Mikhailovich. Book of memoirs. // "Illustrated Russia", 1933 (App.)):

    After breakfast I saw my brother Sergei reading the first order of the Provisional Government,

    Soldiers of all kinds of weapons were invited by the new rulers to form committees or councils and elect officers of their choice to command positions. The same famous "Order No. 1" announced the abolition of military discipline, the abolition of saluting, etc.

    This is the end of the Russian army! - said Sergey.

    - Hindenburg himself could not have made any additions to this order.
    The Vyborg garrison has already slaughtered its officers. Others will not be slow to follow this example.


    Ibid:
    We hugged. I didn't know what to do to him. His calmness indicated that he firmly believed in the correctness of his decision, although he reproached his brother Mikhail Alexandrovich for leaving Russia without an Emperor by his abdication.

    “Misha, you shouldn't have done this,” he finished instructively. “I wonder who gave him such strange advice.”

    This remark, coming from a man who had just given a sixth of the universe to a handful of undisciplined soldiers and striking workers, left me speechless. After an awkward pause, he began to explain the reasons for his decision. The main ones were:

    1) The desire to avoid civil strife in Russia.

    2) Desire to keep the army aside from politics so that it can continue to do business with the allies, and

    3) The belief that the Provisional Government will rule Russia more successfully than he.

    None of these three arguments struck me as convincing. Even on the second day of the new "Free Russia" I had no doubts that a civil war in Russia was inevitable, and that the collapse of our army was a matter of the near future. / This is to the question when the Civil War began - we can say that it began the day after the February Revolution - see. about the Vyborg garrison /... Meanwhile, a day of struggle on the outskirts of the capital - and there would be no trace of all this "terrible dream".

    He showed me a bundle of telegrams received from the commanders-in-chief of various fronts in response to his request. With the exception of General Gurko, all of them, and among them Generals Brusilov, Alekseev and Ruzsky, advised the Tsar to abdicate immediately. He never had a high opinion of these commanders and ignored their betrayal. But deep in the package, he found another telegram, with advice to immediately renounce and it was signed by the Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich.

    - Even he! Nikki said, and for the first time his voice cracked.

    Even members of the imperial family took part in the collapse of Russia (taking into account the N-2 itself).
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  • Serg65
    Serg65 22 July 2021 09: 36
    +1
    Who killed old Russia

    what Samsonov, is it you ???
    Article in my understanding of 4 with a minus.
    The best part of the people - the most honest, stubborn and hardworking, went into schism

    The author somehow shyly kept silent about the leading role of the Old Believers in the three Russian revolutions! About the role of the Old Believers as a weapon in the fight against the ROC in the hands of the Soviet government! Without disclosing this topic, the article looks incomplete and not very truthful in terms of research about who killed old Russia!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 22 July 2021 22: 27
      +2
      And this Nikon's reforms and the subsequent persecutions backfired in such a strange way.
      An interesting topic.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 23 July 2021 07: 58
        +2
        Quote: Korsar4
        An interesting topic.

        Oh yes it is! If you delve into this issue, then the whole history of Soviet communism will turn upside down !!!
  • depressant
    depressant 22 July 2021 11: 13
    +10
    Politics, including domestic politics, as well as its results, are the concentrated expression of the economy.

    The Russian Empire waged endless wars, which resulted in a permanent huge budget deficit and the issuance of additional banknotes. The Crimean War turned out to be especially costly, requiring the injection of a large amount of paper money into the economy.
    Could the welfare of the people grow in such conditions?
    The military campaigns and reforms of Alexander II led to an astronomical budget deficit of 1 billion rubles, half of which occurred in 1855-1856.
    So, such huge costs had to be covered by foreign borrowings. War is always costly, but if foreign powers borrowed from their banks, Russia borrowed from foreign ones and, having received a colossal increase in the state debt, in 1857 was forced to pay 268 million rubles from 100 million rubles in revenues to service the debt. Following the reign of Alexander II, the national debt has tripled.
    Under such conditions, is it possible to speak of an increase in the well-being of the people as a whole?

    The time of the reign of Alexander III came.
    Russia reaps huge harvests of grain in the event of a crop failure in Europe, grain exports grow to enormous proportions. In 1888, a new significant item of income appeared in the budget - income from state-owned railways. Combined with politics - pay attention! - this savings made it possible to achieve a deficit-free budget and even an excess of state revenues over expenditures, which, combined with the policy of customs protectionism, made it possible not only to pay interest on the external public debt in gold and silver, but also to accumulate the state gold reserve.
    But now, the harvest failure in 1891, and economic collapse sets in. The government is forced to prohibit the export of bread and allocates 161 million rubles for the purchase of food for the hungry. Naturally, again follows the printing of paper money and new loans in foreign banks.
    Can we talk about the "welfare" of the main supplier of funds to the budget - the peasantry? It was starving!
    Then Nicholas II ascended the throne.
    Public debt payments account for 20% of government spending. With a total treasury income of 1,7 billion rubles, 346 million rubles are spent on debt servicing ...
    And then in 1897 the Minister of Finance S. Yu. Witte, a monetarist, concerned about the successful entry of Russia into the world economy, proposed a monetary reform aimed at strengthening investment activity and increasing the inflow of foreign capital into the country. And it is being carried out, this reform, pegging the ruble to gold. This is the beginning of the collapse of the Russian Empire and the loss of its economic sovereignty. Foreign capital poured into the country, starting the construction of new enterprises. Industrial growth rates have increased sharply. However, the West had nothing to fear from Russia, which allegedly rushed forward. The more efficiently its economy worked, the more income was received by Western banks.
    After the reform, the amount of Russia's external debt continued to grow. The Russo-Japanese War led to an increase in borrowing. The national debt increased from 6,6 billion to 8,7 billion rubles. The main creditor of the Russian Empire in the amount of about 60% of borrowings is France!

    In 1887-1913, Western investments in Russia amounted to 1783 million gold rubles. During the same period, net income was exported from Russia - 2326 million gold rubles. For 26 years, the excess of income exported abroad over investments amounted to 513 million gold rubles. In other words, having received modern enterprises from foreigners, Russia suffered losses. So can we talk about an increase in the well-being of the peasantry, which, as before, was the main filler of the budget?
    At the same time, interest payments and loan repayments in the amount of up to 500 million gold rubles went abroad annually. For the period from 1888-1908, Russia had a positive trade balance with other countries in the amount of 6,6 billion gold rubles.
    A positive trade balance means that more goods go abroad than are received from there.
    So, this amount was 1,6 times higher than the cost of all Russian industrial enterprises and working capital for them. In other words, having built 2 enterprises in Russia, the West used Russian money to build 3 enterprises at home. As a result, the average per capita income in tsarist Russia grew much more slowly than the average per capita income of those countries that robbed Russia with their "investments and loans". That is, this is exactly the same situation that is now taking place in third world countries.
    At the same time, at least 2/3 of Russia's industry did not belong to it and worked not for the welfare of the country, but for maintaining the growth of foreign economies. In terms of industrial production, Russia lagged behind the United States, England, Germany and France. Its share in the total industrial production of the five above-mentioned powers was only 4,2%. In the total world production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%, the share of the USA - 20%, England - 18%, Germany - 9%, France - 7,2 %, while the population of each of these countries was 2-3 times less than the population of Russia. And this despite the fact that in Russia in 1913 there was a record, 80 million tons, grain harvest. Annual export - 10 million tons of grain. Russia itself consumed 345 kilograms of bread per person per year.
    For comparison:
    USA 992 kilograms per person, Denmark 912, France 544, Germany 432 kilograms.
    Even in "hungry" Germany they consumed more!
    IN AND. Lenin, about Germany: "In Germany, it was not just hunger that reigned, but a brilliantly organized famine."
    Do you have any idea why?
    Economically, the Russian Empire was the weakest link in the chain of imperialism. Her death was predetermined by the economy, carried out in the manner described above.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 July 2021 13: 37
      +4
      hi Lyudmila Yakovlevna, it is still so, only they try not to pay attention, we are the 5th economy in the world! laughing We got up from our knees, we have filled up the world with new technologies, we are building enterprises around the world, we are all in debt, we are afraid to rock the boat laughing Oil and gas, so, for the sake of fun, we trade. laughing
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 22 July 2021 14: 04
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      Economically, the Russian Empire was the weakest link in the chain of imperialism. Her death was predetermined by the economy, carried out in the manner described above.
      A very interesting and informative commentary. What then can we say about the Russian Federation, with "our" Central Bank and pegging to the dollar ... At least there were Bolsheviks for the death of the Russian Empire, who created the USSR, but what will the new bondage and dependence before the West of our government, which picked up capitalism, give? The Soviet safety margin is running out.
  • Altmann
    Altmann 22 July 2021 12: 14
    +2
    Friends destroy for themselves the ideals of old Russia. Tolstoy writes: “People have forgotten God,” and this is still valid!
  • smaug78
    smaug78 22 July 2021 12: 14
    +3
    Another Samsonovism, sad and merciless ...
  • depressant
    depressant 22 July 2021 14: 13
    +4
    I will add to the above.
    There is such a thing as a technological order.

    The FIRST technological order is as follows.
    The main resource is water energy.
    The main industry is the textile industry.
    The key factor is textile machines.
    Achievement of the way of life is the mechanization of factory production.

    SECOND technological order.
    The main resource is steam energy, coal.
    The main industry is transport, ferrous metallurgy.
    The key factor is the steam engine, steam drives of machine tools.
    Achieving the way of life - an increase in the scale of production, development of transport.
    A humanitarian advantage arises - the gradual liberation of a person from hard manual labor.

    THIRD technological order.
    The main resource is electrical energy.
    The main industry is heavy engineering, electrical engineering.
    The key factor is the electric motor.
    Achievement of the way - concentration of banking and financial capital; the emergence of radio communication, telegraph; standardization of production.
    The humanitarian advantage is an improvement in the quality of life.

    We will dwell on the third, since it corresponds to the time of the death of the Russian Empire.
    The third economic order conditionally began in 1866, when the Bessemer method for producing steel was invented, much better than that obtained earlier. This opened up unprecedented horizons for industrialization, and European countries, as well as the United States, together rushed into the third technological order - that is, those countries that successfully completed their entry into the second way back in the late 18th - early 19th centuries. And now these leading countries have begun an active transition to a new track of capitalist social-production relations.
    As for the elite of the Russian Empire, it continued to cling to feudalism, and therefore, without completing the transition to the second technological order, it could only make attempts to enter the third - within the framework of the same feudalism! Even just attempts to keep up with the developed capitalist countries, to catch up with the departing train of the third order, was hampered by the outdated state system of the Russian Empire.
    Yes, there were attempts and sometimes even successful ones. But in general, this did not change the situation. Even in the years of the most intensive economic growth, the Russian Empire still lagged monstrously behind the developed capitalist countries. This was shown by the Russian-Japanese war, as well as the First World War, as a result of which it was the Russian Empire that turned out to be the weakest link among the Entente countries.
    To confirm this conclusion, which, in fact, has been confirmed by history itself, we will consider some specific data. For example, in aviation.
    By the beginning of WWI, RI had the largest air fleet in the world. However, RI purchased most of the gliders in France, and those assembled in Russia were made using foreign technologies from foreign parts. Before the war began, aircraft engines were practically not made in Russia, their production was absent, except for the branch of the French Gnome plant in Moscow, which produced no more than 5 aircraft engines per month.
    With the beginning of the war, factories began to open and even tried to mass-produce aircraft engines. But due to the underdevelopment of the machine-building industry, the successes were extremely modest. During the war, only 5600 aircraft were produced in Russia, and for comparison, Germany produced 47 aircraft during the war.
    The only completely Russian development is "Ilya Muromets". This is the world's first heavy aircraft for 10 passengers, which managed to reach mass production. Throughout history, it was released in the amount of 76 pieces.

    You can cite data on the fleet, tanks and armored vehicles, and other military products - everywhere the same picture. Feudalism and advanced technologies, mass production of military and household appliances are incompatible! Such industries require the empowerment of the capitalist entrepreneurial class. The tsarist government did not want to share its powers in time, and when it caught itself, it was already too late, a natural end came.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 July 2021 20: 29
      +4
      Quote: depressant
      The tsarist government did not want to share its powers in time, and when it caught itself, it was already too late, a natural end came.

      The very abdication of the king from the throne marked the beginning of the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia. For example, for many years nothing has been able to compel our guarantor to hold fair elections. God forbid, "grunt" - such discord in the country will begin.
      Saltykov-Shchedrin, Gogol, Griboyedov have many catchphrases in their works that allow one to judge the past from the height of today.
      Interestingly, this execution on January 9, 1905 was a necessary measure or was the ruler's concern for his children?
      You read the history of Russian wars and the brains are on one side. By the decree of one person, hundreds of thousands of people were plunged into a bloody massacre in the name of what? The interests of those allies, from whom we have little good even today?
      ==========
      A person cannot have privileges and ranks from birth. This is not by nature. People come into this world naked and with equal opportunities to prove their superiority, knowledge, skill, skill ... And when a person begins to imagine himself as the governor of God, then the end that is in store for him is a just sentence.
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 July 2021 21: 54
        +1
        Good evening, Yuri Vasilievich! )))
        In my opinion, the main reason for the fall of the Republic of Ingushetia was that initially, from the very arrival on the Russian throne, the German dynasty of the Romanovs, perhaps, at the subconscious level, perceived Russia as a colony inhabited by white savages. Continuously marrying German princesses and giving birth to Germans, these people perceived us as the British are blacks in Africa. The difference in skin color did not bother them. They felt they were the rulers of the territory they colonized, and they saw Europe as the metropolis. They felt like they were temporarily living in this dull, dark, cold, dull country with endless plains called Russia. Cozy Western Europe was their true homeland - the homeland to which they were drawn with all their souls. And they got involved in wars in the 19th century, as if giving a sign to Europe - "We are of the same blood, we are our own, we are in your club!" And they spoke in a language foreign to us. And they remembered patriotism only for propaganda purposes, letting the population know that that population had a king and the opportunity to lay down their lives for his wishlist. The boredom of the ruling dynasty towards us was especially clearly manifested by Nicholas II. Boredom! ... And not even boredom, but a feeling of annoying misfortune with which they had to put up with. We were their inevitable evil, from which they had nowhere to go ...
        The perception of us, Russians, as controlled savages has tragically affected the fact that the hard, patriotic, responsible aristocracy of the Russian people was never formed. One that, possessing the appropriate political influence, would be able to promptly demand the implementation of political and economic reforms. Remember the helplessness of the Decembrists - those who are far from the people. All our semi-foreign upper aristocracy, as well as the aristocracy of the middle and lower ranks, were literally saturated with subconscious disdain for the Russian working people, proceeding not so much from class ideas that are natural in any class society, but from the feeling of our own alienation from us, working for them. They were ashamed and afraid of us. We were not of the same blood with them. Literally and figuratively. And the fact that they lost us is natural. Colonies don't live long.
    2. moreman78
      moreman78 23 July 2021 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      The tsarist government did not want to share its powers in time, and when it caught itself, it was already too late, a natural end came.

      The tsarist government not only did not want to share its powers, but also could not really carry out REFORMS, some undertakings, and the result only aggravated the contradictions in society!
      1. depressant
        depressant 23 July 2021 14: 10
        0
        Yes, half-heartedness, lethargy of decisions and lack of calculation of the consequences of action. They wanted to appear Europeans, but they were neither Russians nor Europeans. It seems that in the 19th century they did not care, and only in the 20th ... Spiritually dying themselves, they ruined a lot of people, and with them - the empire. Temporary workers! The Romanovs were superfluous in our land.
  • Alexander Popov_3
    Alexander Popov_3 22 July 2021 14: 40
    +2
    Combined hodgepodge.
  • Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 22 July 2021 16: 25
    +5
    And the crunch of a French roll ... Only how many percent of the population ate it? Tell us how well and at ease the peasant lived in tsarist Russia. But nothing, our government is successfully reviving the monarchy and the nobility, and of slaves, as without them.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 24 July 2021 12: 00
      -1
      Only how many percent of the population ate it?
      about a couple of percent
      https://vkurier.by/16423?amp=1
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 22 July 2021 16: 36
    +1
    Ah, again ...
    When you don't know what to write, take everyone to the west and scold the Anglo-Saxons ...
  • citizen
    citizen 22 July 2021 17: 00
    0
    The main revolutionary in 17 was Nicholas the Bloody and his friend Alexander III. First of all, I must say thank you for the revolution. The influence of the "West" of Masonic lodges, German intelligence, etc. myth. The February revolution was an element not controlled by anyone.
  • Astor 27
    Astor 27 22 July 2021 17: 37
    +1
    The idea of ​​the author, in principle, is absolutely correct: the February coup was staged by the top of the Republic of Ingushetia. Specifically, 3 people: Guchkov, Alekseev, Milyukov. The head of the conspiracy was, of course, Guchkov. The reasons that prompted Guchkov to this are completely understandable. Alekseev - less. Miliukov is simply smug. But a significant part of the upper aristocracy (including some relatives of the reigning house) also joined Guchkov's plans. The reasons are also more or less clear. I don't know why, but the author decided to bring in foreignism (allies) here, and, without any arguments ... But, for example, the memoirs (diary entries) of M. Palaeologus (the French ambassador to the Republic of Ingushetia at that time) speak directly about the opposite: the allies were not interested in overthrowing the monarchy in Ingushetia (Palaeologus was simply horrified by this thought). W. Churchill's memoirs confirm this disinterest (but, nevertheless, these are memoirs, you can treat them in different ways, but Paleologus has a diary, here without any)
  • ivan2022
    ivan2022 22 July 2021 18: 22
    0
    Tsarist Russia was destroyed by Russia.
    The rule of the nobles was not replaced in the 19th century by the rule of the capitalists. The reasons are in the apolitical nature of Russian society. In such a society, all contradictions, before they are resolved, grow to an unprecedented tension.
    The collapse of Empires is generally a consequence of the backwardness of social relations, and in Russia it played with such force that the state was on the brink of self-destruction. Then it was repeated in the USSR. The problem has not been resolved yet.
    If the people are not engaged in politics, politicians and politicians are engaged in the people and do with them everything that they get into their heads. In the spirit of the writings of Saltykov-Shchedrin, where the boss manages until he accidentally discovers that his head is hidden in his desk.
  • Anthracite
    Anthracite 22 July 2021 19: 06
    +1
    "Social and moral scum, adventurers from all over the world will come to Russia. The country will be robbed to the bone"
    Who is this author about? Licked the Guarantor with his hatred of the Bolsheviks? ...
  • Unknown
    Unknown 22 July 2021 19: 31
    +4
    There is nothing to break the spears. A complete kirdyk came to the monarchy in the person of the Romanovs. Not a brother, dear Michael, not a numerous clan of Grand Dukes, with the right to inherit the throne, did not pick up the falling banner of the monarchy, and did not lead the country in a difficult moment. All have withdrawn themselves. Kerensky said correctly in exile “If you, gentlemen, are now playing the knights faithful to duty, then you realized too late ... The monarchists betrayed their Monarch. If there was at least one regiment faithful to duty, then nothing would remain of us. The sovereign was left completely without loyal subjects. Having reigned for twenty-three years, He found himself in a terrible, inhuman loneliness. ”And the other added .. M.P. Artsybashev: “If we are enemies of the former Emperor, we have at least some justification precisely in the fact that we were enemies, then there is no justification for those“ who proudly wore the monogram of their Sovereign ”.
  • Logic
    Logic 22 July 2021 20: 59
    +1
    "As the people are, such are their upheavals.
    As a person is, such are his adversities. "
    Dr. kit. wisdom. VI century BC
  • Logic
    Logic 22 July 2021 21: 06
    +2
    As well as fraers, and communists with monarchists were ruined by the belief in their own "infallibility" and "infallibility", but simply in "immortality".
  • TochkaY
    TochkaY 22 July 2021 21: 50
    +2
    Let the king, but the country must be developed!
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 23 July 2021 08: 29
    -5
    It is obvious that the October coup was prepared by petty-bourgeois elements led by General Alekseev, who arranged the February abdication. Alekseev's goal was to overthrow the old nobility "entrenched" in St. Petersburg. His direct subordinate
    General Bonch-Bruevich, together with Trotsky, coordinated actions between the Bolshevik militants and officers who supported Alekseev. Brother Bonch-Bruyevich was Lenin's driver and bodyguard, i.e. looked after the closest ally, so that he would not throw out any trick. Alekseev was removed already in 1918, so that he would not turn into another military dictator. The officers who supported him and won the Civil War for the Bolsheviks were removed in 1923 (Operation Spring). Trotsky was removed in 1925. This is how History elevated Koba to the throne of Russia.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 23 July 2021 08: 47
      +3
      It is obvious that the October coup was prepared by petty-bourgeois elements led by General Alekseev, who arranged the February abdication. Alekseev's goal was to overthrow the old nobility "entrenched" in St. Petersburg. His direct subordinate
      General Bonch-Bruevich, together with Trotsky, coordinated actions between the Bolshevik militants and officers who supported Alekseev. Brother Bonch-Bruyevich was Lenin's driver and bodyguard, i.e. looked after the closest ally, so that he would not throw out any trick. Alekseev was removed already in 1918, so that he would not turn into another military dictator. The officers who supported him and won the Civil War for the Bolsheviks were removed in 1923 (Operation Spring). Trotsky was removed in 1925. This is how History elevated Koba to the throne of Russia.


      What is this nonsense of a madman? Bonch-Bruevich chauffeur wassat , Operation "Spring" in 1923 ???
      Commentator, where do such fantasies on a free topic come from? We have seen enough of the latest nonsense in the form of a pseudo-documentary film "Incandescent Chaos", where the words of some white émigrés claim that Trotsky brought Jewish mafia fighters with him from New York to carry out a revolution.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 23 July 2021 09: 33
    +1
    Since then, almost nothing has changed, so we are waiting for the next revolution. New Bolsheviks will come and restore order.
    1. Vatnik-rkka
      Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 10: 28
      -2
      They won't come. Jews left for Israel and America.
  • Vatnik-rkka
    Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 10: 27
    +1
    It's funny. And why did you decide that Nikolai 2 was Russian? He was actually German.
  • Time traveller
    Time traveller 23 July 2021 13: 59
    0
    Quote: Vatnik-RKKA
    It's funny. And why did you decide that Nikolai 2 was Russian? He was actually German.

    For us, internationalists, it doesn't matter who has how much in percentage of which blood is mixed.
    Nicholas II was Russian because Russia was his homeland, and at the heart of his worldview was Russian culture, and he is a historical character in Russian history.
    No matter how you treat it.
    By the way, the English Winsors also have German roots. But they are considered the British. And this is a typical situation among European monarchical dynasties.
    1. Vatnik-rkka
      Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 15: 04
      0
      Well, there were many characters in Russian history, and not all of them are Russian. Was Russia his homeland? By the way, the big question is what he considered his homeland. The Romanovs ruled, let's say, using military-political methods, for example, shooting demonstrations was a common thing for them, Bloody Sunday is, unfortunately, a common episode. With a worldview, too, there are more questions than answers, they brought up children there rather on German culture. By the way, many interesting stories are associated with that convoy, ranging from the fact that the money for the payment of the maintenance of soldiers was stolen by the Russian Orthodox Church, ending with the fact that the gentlemen of St. George did not want to protect the Romanovs for free. Etc.
      1. Time traveller
        Time traveller 23 July 2021 15: 09
        -1
        All these are particulars about which you can discuss as much as you like.
        The main thing I wanted to say is that determining nationality "by blood" is not our method.
        1. Vatnik-rkka
          Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 15: 13
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          Well, here's the main joke in what? A German will worry about Germany, a Georgian about Georgia, a Ukrainian about Okrain. Do you want the ruler to be worried about Russia? Choose Russian! Otherwise, anyone will live well in Russia, but not Russians!
          1. Time traveller
            Time traveller 23 July 2021 16: 17
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            "Friend or foe" by nationality was defined within the framework of tribal relations. Under absolutism / autocracy - by citizenship. Now - by citizenship.
            This is how I was taught in Soviet schools and universities.
            If today we use the method proposed by you, then the multinational state will collapse, sliding down to the clan-captive quasi-state formations.
            Therefore, this is not our path. We are building empires. Otherwise we will be crushed.
            1. Vatnik-rkka
              Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 17: 04
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              Who will be crushed? Russians ?!
              How many Russians do you think there are in Russia?
              1. Time traveller
                Time traveller 23 July 2021 17: 36
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                If defined by "blood purity", then none.
                And in general, who do you consider a "purebred Russian"?
                A.S. Pushkin - Russian? :)
                1. Vatnik-rkka
                  Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 18: 31
                  +1
                  In Muscovite Russia, a Russian was considered to be one who professed Orthodoxy (Old Belief!) And spoke Russian. Now the Russian is considered to be the one who was brought up in Russian culture and thinks in Russian. The Romanovs and the Russian nobility as a whole did not speak Russian until the middle of the 19th century, but were brought up on European culture. T e were not Russian. The same can be said about komunyaki.
                  And since they were not all Russians, they ruled Russia in the interests of their own, and not the Russian people.
                  1. Time traveller
                    Time traveller 23 July 2021 18: 58
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                    That is, according to your criteria, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Denis Davydov, Nakhimov, Pushkin, Lermontov, Ivan Andreevich Krylov ... are not Russians.
                    And Nicholas II turns out to be Russian. His native language was Russian, and he was brought up "on Russian culture", because his papa, Alexander III, has a cool European attitude, to put it mildly.
                    1. Vatnik-rkka
                      Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 19: 02
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                      Who are you treating? Try to find at least one Russian empress from the Romanovs in 200 years? How could a Russian grow up in such a family? Moreover, the Russian nobility, the same Russian, was not - they served the German emperor, and in the Russians they saw only slaves and cannon fodder.
                      1. Time traveller
                        Time traveller 23 July 2021 19: 43
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                        The upbringing of sons in the Romanov family (and in the families of the Russian nobility) was not carried out by mothers, but by specially appointed educators, or teachers of military educational institutions.
                        General Danilov was the tutor of Nicholas II. Klyuchevsky taught him history.
                        Nobles in most countries were not raised by mothers. And in the 18-19 centuries, noble mothers did not even feed their children.
                        Pushkin's nurse, who told him Russian fairy tales, was not German. The same as with the rest of the Russian noblemen of those times.
                      2. Vatnik-rkka
                        Vatnik-rkka 23 July 2021 21: 04
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                        Not Danilov, but Danilovich, feel the difference. The Pole raised the heir!
                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Наставники_императоров_России
                        Study, I give.
                      3. Time traveller
                        Time traveller 23 July 2021 21: 59
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                        Thank you, I know who Gunther Lutyens is, to the page about which your link leads. :)
                        And about General Danilov another article. It says that he is from the Danilovich family of the Chernigov province. About Danilovich in the same Viki - "Danilovich - Polish and Galician noble families, as well as Russian noble family."
                        Chernihiv is not Poland. Therefore, the educator of Nicholas II, General Grigory Grigorievich Danilov, is from the Russian noble family of the Danilovichs.
                      4. Vatnik-rkka
                        Vatnik-rkka 24 July 2021 10: 54
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                        You would have read the statistics on the Russian nobility, you would have been immensely surprised. At the end of the 19th century, the hereditary nobility of Poles was 26%. Little Russians, Belarusians and Great Russians accounted for a little more than 60%, but there was a lot of all kinds of Ulyanovs who did not really consider themselves Russians.
                      5. Time traveller
                        Time traveller 25 July 2021 17: 30
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                        But Nicholas II's tutor was not Ulyanov, but General Danilovich and Professor Klyuchevsky. Both are Russians, if not by blood, then by faith, upbringing and spirit. And the role of the nobility, as we have already discussed with you, had practically disappeared by that time. They no longer had their former rights and privileges.
                      6. Vatnik-rkka
                        Vatnik-rkka 25 July 2021 23: 44
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                        By the way, about faith. The faith of the nobility and the Russians was different - among the nobility of the ROC, among the Russians, bezpopovstvo. The nobility tried to force the Russians to go to the priests, but nothing came of it. The cool attitude of Russians towards the ROC, it is from there, the ROC is not a Russian church. The Russians do not have a church.
                        About the nobility. We did not analyze anything with you, because you do not know the subject.
                      7. Time traveller
                        Time traveller 26 July 2021 14: 21
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                        You are wrong. Bespopovtsy is one of the two main directions of the Russian Old Believer ORTHODOX Church.
                        Orthodoxy also includes the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Old Believers, and the Armenian, Greek, etc. Orthodox churches ...
                        About the "cool attitude of Russians in the Russian Orthodox Church" - you go to church on Holy Easter, there is nowhere for an apple to fall.
                      8. Vatnik-rkka
                        Vatnik-rkka 26 July 2021 17: 37
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                        You will be surprised, but Orthodoxy between us and the Greeks is somewhat different. The Greeks go to church with pleasure, their church is a holiday, but with the efforts of the Khikhs from the Russian Orthodox Church, the church was turned into a mournful place. The people do not go to church to rejoice, but out of fear of the raging one.
                      9. Time traveller
                        Time traveller 28 July 2021 22: 52
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                        Orthodox Christians go to church for different reasons. Both joyful and sad. And accordingly they rejoice and grieve.
                        Cowards go there out of fear, and believers go there out of faith.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 24 July 2021 12: 06
    -1
    Iosif Vissarionovich was worried exclusively about Georgia, as I understand it?
    1. Vatnik-rkka
      Vatnik-rkka 25 July 2021 09: 40
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      The saying “the poorest Georgian, richer than the richest Russian”, comes from the time of Joseph Vissarionovich, and the heyday of Okraina fell on the reign of Khrushch and Brezhnev. Then think for yourself….
  • Cipollino
    Cipollino 23 July 2021 17: 33
    +1
    "Russia was the most free ..." it became completely sad to read on ... It turns out that our great-grandfathers fought for more than three years in civilian civilization. And then in 1945 they beat not only the Nazis, but also the Vlasovites under the tricolor. And at least the author read Chekhov ... and in general the USE authors went ...
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 24 July 2021 12: 09
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      but also Vlasov under the tricolor
      a historical correction - the Vlasovites had the St. Andrew's cross on their chevrons. Not negating the fact that they were traitors.
      Read more here https://zeleninsergey.livejournal.com/217489.html
  • ivan2022
    ivan2022 23 July 2021 20: 08
    -1
    Why nobody killed Germany even after complete defeat in two World Wars? Because a society capable of upholding its own collective interests cannot be broken by any catastrophe.
    And a society in which a situation regularly arises when "there is no order", and to restore order it is always necessary to call on a "master" - even a victory in the war will not save.
    Its fruits will be used by other nations. Peoples capable of nominating their leaders from among themselves. For example, the same Germans or French will never mutter like an incantation: "these bad people came to us and did this and then those came and did this and that." No one would ever think of such a thing about the Jewish people ...... The collapse of "old Russia" is only the beginning of the process, this is the most important thing, and who will "kill" or, more precisely, who will finish off - in the new global world there will always be.
    1. Vatnik-rkka
      Vatnik-rkka 24 July 2021 00: 11
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      Probably because in Germany the rulers and the mob were representatives of the same people.
  • Time traveller
    Time traveller 23 July 2021 22: 25
    -1
    Quote: Essex62
    ... The serf peasant and the disenfranchised artisan had a different country ...

    History teaches that - the one who does not want to feed his army feeds someone else's. I do not think that under the Turks, Poles, Swedes, French or Germans, "a Russian serf and a powerless artisan" would live happily ever after.
    By the way, serfdom, introduced in order to create a regular army, was abolished in 1861 by Alexander II. By 1914, of the estate privileges, the nobility had only the exclusive right to teach their children in the Corps of Pages.
    And why is the artisan "disenfranchised"? Didn't the Code of Laws of the Russian Empire apply to artisans?
    1. Vatnik-rkka
      Vatnik-rkka 24 July 2021 10: 50
      -1
      Singing Russian will live only in the Russian state
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 25 July 2021 10: 04
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        those. only Russians fought in the Civil War? Did we raise the country in the first five-year plans, too? They won in the Second World War, then they were also restored exclusively by Russians, right? Those.
        propose to drive away all who have a different skin color, eye shape, religion, and then "Wow, we will live!"? So in the office where I work there were and are all sorts of nationalities. Both Jews and Tatars, there was an ethnic Chechen, Ukrainians, guys from Belarus are working, recently they took a guy from Iran. So what? Drive all the nafig? You know, such statements smack of Nazism.
        1. Vatnik-rkka
          Vatnik-rkka 25 July 2021 23: 53
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          You still will not believe me, but the Second World War was mainly fought by Russians and Asians, the rest quickly deserted and fell under mobilization only at the end of 1943, or even in 1944. Khikhlov, for example, in 1942-1943 served the Germans much more than the USSR.
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 25 July 2021 09: 54
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      I'm sorry. But, now do we have laws that strongly apply to commoners? Just do not need about the loud landings of Furgal there and other "respected" people. This is all within the clan and departmental showdowns. And have nothing to do with "equality before the law" hi Or the saying "The law is that the tongue! Where did you turn there and it came out" was born just yesterday? recourse
      1. Vatnik-rkka
        Vatnik-rkka 25 July 2021 23: 59
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        It depends on what kind of commoners. If you got on a pencil to the cops, they will drag you around all sorts of garbage. If you just work, then no one cares, most importantly, if you do not understand how the world works, then it is better not to shine.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 26 July 2021 08: 50
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          It depends on what commoners
          yes, anyone who does not have enough dough or acquaintances.
          So let's say an egregious case - a friend's two rednecks for 35 years in the yard ran into her mother (for 70 years) for not allowing to cut down a bush (lilac seems to be). Her husband (the father of a friend) stood up for her, a retired military (tanker) disabled person (with one lung) and .... of course, these two rednecks put their grandfather on the asphalt. As a result, the mother of these two turned out to be either a friend or something else of a retired city prosecutor. Court - they turned everything so that the old man beat these two freaks. Of course, appeals and other burdensomeness. As a result, they brought it to the world. Get out? And it was only 10 years ago. And how many "cool" people crush people drunk? And how much do they justify? Either the aunt crushes the child in the yard, and then the child's blood is allegedly found to have a horse's share of alcohol - "a boy of 4 years old was walking drunk aha!" ... And these are just high-profile cases that hit the news. And how much has remained in the shadows?
          1. Vatnik-rkka
            Vatnik-rkka 26 July 2021 11: 09
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            Well, ten years ago, the times were still different. In this case, it is advisable not to shine.
  • zenion
    zenion 24 July 2021 21: 07
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    Each time, looking into the calendar and into the pocket, they find more and more milestones in history that open to inquisitive eyes and even in a whisper in the ear. Here it was as if it was not the Germans who ruined the empire, but the British and, having agreed with the Germans, sent tsarist demolitionists in a sealed carriage. But they were late, they had to overthrow tsarism themselves. And the British began to produce guns with the words - Made in Russia with the quality mark. Moreover, when the civil war began, the British supplied weapons to white, red and other colors under Lend-Lease and let them kill each other as much as possible, but let those who will pump gas and oil to Europe remain alive. Amen!
  • Altmann
    Altmann 25 July 2021 16: 12
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    I see the problem in the weakness of the leaders. Anyone with a higher rank should immediately experience the fungus, and then punish without pleasure. Self-control self-control.
  • ABC-schütze
    ABC-schütze 26 July 2021 12: 43
    +2
    The aforementioned "old Russia" was killed by the mediocrity of the 23-year "reign of the ruling". And at the level of "personalities", including the 23-year incompetent "reign" of Nicholas No. 2 ...

    Who personally and actively DID NOT DO ANYTHING. Moreover, he personally did not head or initiate any state affairs. "Celebrations" for one reason or another, of course, "don't count" ...

    Consideration of documents and cases, left "for the evening." And only, bored frankly (and noting this in his personal diaries ...), "the highest" signatures "put" on them. No more. Rare "resolutions" are wretched and primitively emotional ...

    On an official "business day" from 09.30 to 14.00. Not sickly for the head of state, right? ..

    In short, the "ruling dullness" in the flesh. The "number" of the wretched ruling
    mediocrity, naturally transformed into an impeccable "quality" of the collapse of power.

    And thanks to the Bolsheviks for being in this chaos and booth, incl. and within the clan of the former "ruling", not only the Russian statehood itself was preserved. But, having preserved the foundation of the unique in the world Russian self-sufficiency, ITS ESSENCE is imperial, without losing during the transformation into the Red Empire, further SELF-SUFFICIENCY and STATEHOOD STRENGTHENED ...
  • azkolt
    azkolt 27 July 2021 19: 18
    -1
    Quote: Essex62
    The soldier swears allegiance to his homeland, and is obliged to follow the order. And if any organism with big stars on its epaulettes compels to perform what does not apply to the defense of the Motherland, then this organism is an enemy of the people. He does not understand this and does not agree with this, but it is so. One of the factors that the SA remained inert when the counter-coup muddied.
    And we broke your rules, and yes, with pitchforks and bayonets. What did you want after centuries of humiliation?
    Find a story about landowners who hunted serfs with hunting rifles. And tired of chasing through the fields, they arranged a shooting gallery.
    There was enough cruelty during the formation of Soviet power, but how else if the backbones rested. Civil war is a bloody thing, and the class struggle is not giving away gingerbread.
    Sorry for the people, sorry for everyone, and for the goldsmiths too, they are Russians. But whoever understood, accepted and joined the ranks rose high. Many.

    Can I link to the story with the hunt? You say centuries of humiliation, but for decades there was no humiliation? When the same peasant worked for 100 grams of grain a day, is this not humiliation? Such a landowner would never dream of working from dawn to dawn for 100 grams of grain! Do you feel sorry for people? Yes, millions of dead in the civilian, a pole of several million in the Volga region, plus several million who died in the famine of the early 30s. plus one and a half million who died in famine in 47-48, I'm not talking about the 27 million worthlessly laid on the altar of Victory in the Great Patriotic War who paid for the mistakes of idiots in the leadership !. Take pity on yourself, God did not give a mind, or rather a soul!
    1. Kapral Alphych
      Kapral Alphych 28 July 2021 01: 24
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      Good Lev Petrovich, but there were samples and cleaner. One old nobleman with a band of parasites moved to his estate and started a hound hunt. Once a peasant boy (he had three thousand souls there) stupidly stuck a pebble in the leg of a greyhound dog from a lord's pack. The master, when he saw that his Plaque was limping, became angry: the demand, "who mutilated the dog?"

      The hounds should have indicated. They brought the boy, he confessed.

      The next morning was ordered to be ready for the hunt in full force. They drove out into the field, stopped near the forest, let the hounds, keep the greyhounds in packs. The boy was brought here. He was ordered to undress and run naked across the field, and after him from all the packs they let the dogs chase after him: so, to poison him.
      Only the greyhounds will reach the boy, sniff and do not touch ... The mother arrived in time, ran around with a fishing line and grabbed her brainchild in her arms. They dragged her into the village and again let the dogs go. Mother went crazy, died on the third day. "

      From the memoirs of serfs, written from their words. Published in 1901
      And in "The Brothers Karamazov" it seems like they were torn to pieces by a similar situation.
  • Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 28 July 2021 01: 11
    +1
    As if it existed by itself! Because of the stupidity of the monarchy and autocracy, all this filth formed around the emperors, and, worst of all, was supported and nurtured by the emperors themselves! Almost the entire tsarist "family" was entirely thieves, plunderers, embezzlers, masons, or, more simply, ordinary agents of Western influence, smashing Russia and its own people with their own hands!

    “Under pressure from the public, the Emperor was forced to order a financial check at the Naval Department. The shortage was huge - 30 million rubles in gold, plus 2 million in the Red Cross society.
    They let everyone down on the brakes. There was not even a verbal censure. "- this is after the resignation of his uncle Alexei Alexandrovich Romanov, who with a French prostitute simply devastated the treasury of our country!
    "And what about the tsar? Sympathize Nicholas II did not even scold the uncle who robbed Russia. On the contrary, he regretted it. Indignant over the" persecution "of a relative, he wrote in his diary:" It hurts and hard for him, the poor. "
    1. Kapral Alphych
      Kapral Alphych 28 July 2021 01: 13
      +1
      It becomes especially scary from the fact that those times are painfully strong, they are similar to the days of today.
  • Lyokha1979
    Lyokha1979 29 July 2021 05: 58
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    Old Russia committed suicide by the bestial behavior of its elite. Now history is repeating itself.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 29 July 2021 09: 43
    0
    Throughout history, Russia has been weakened and destroyed. When everyone relaxes, thinking that Russia will no longer rise, it suddenly recovers and becomes stronger than it was. It looks like some kind of cunning plan. God forbid that it will come true this time too.