In Denmark: Turks once shot down a Russian Aerospace Forces plane, but we cannot afford this

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When the Russian military aviation last year violated the air borders of Denmark, the ambassador of the Russian Federation was summoned to the Foreign Ministry of this country "on the carpet", where the head of the foreign ministry Jeppe Kofod made him understand that this should not happen again. But at the same time, Copenhagen has no real leverage to prevent the Russian Aerospace Forces from doing it again.

This is the opinion of Steffen Nyuboe McGee, whose article on this topic was published by the Danish newspaper Berlingske.



In June of this year, the violation was repeated, and the Russian ambassador was again summoned to the Danish Foreign Ministry for a conversation.

The author recalls history with a Russian Su-2015M shot down by Turkish aircraft in 24 near the Syrian-Turkish border. Then Ankara declared a violation of its airspace, and Moscow claimed that the plane did not cross the border. At that time, it almost came to hostilities, but was limited to a temporary break in economic ties and the belated apology of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

McGee believes that Copenhagen should not follow Ankara's example and shoot down Russian planes. The Turks once shot down a Russian Aerospace Forces plane, but in Denmark they cannot afford it. The military of this country adhere to the same opinion.

In the case of Denmark, such a reaction would be excessive, since Russian fighters do not look like a threat.

- says the head of the Center for Air Operations at the Danish Military Academy, Major Karsten Marrup.

He explains that Russian aircraft, even when violating the airspace, do not behave aggressively and do not have rockets on external sling.

Although, most likely, Copenhagen is simply not ready to go into conflict with Russia. Therefore, in order not to “lose face”, he confines himself to angry statements by diplomats.
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  1. 0
    14 July 2021 10: 20
    In Denmark: Turks once shot down a Russian Aerospace Forces plane, but we cannot afford this


    But at the same time, Copenhagen has no real leverage to prevent the Russian Aerospace Forces from doing it again.

    Of course, after all, several million Russians do not rest in Denmark every year ...
    1. +19
      14 July 2021 10: 27
      The Danes have more adequacy than the Turks, millions of Russian vacationers have nothing to do with it. They have no ambitions in the region.
      1. -15
        14 July 2021 10: 56
        Quote: Cheshire
        The Danes have more adequacy

        Do the Danes have adequacy? wassat
        And you are writing this after reading the call to shoot down Russian planes? winked
        They say that we will not act like the Turks for now, because the Russians did not have rockets on an external sling.

        Where is the adequacy? request

        The Dane suffers from the inability to shoot down a Russian plane. fellow
        Adequate Dane. laughing

        The juxtaposition itself is insane.
        Turks and Russians fought in Syria.
        This is a military conflict.
        They fought not against each other, but in the same war and supporting different sides.
        Confused, but such are the realities of this Syrian war.

        And the Danes simply have not received lula for a long time. In an adult way.
        1. +3
          14 July 2021 11: 02
          Quote: For example
          call to shoot down Russian planes

          Where did you see him?
          1. -11
            14 July 2021 11: 17
            What is the article about?
            That the Turks shot down, but the Danes are not shooting down yet.

            This article is about how to shoot down a Russian plane and what will follow.

            Do you really not understand what the Dane is writing about?

            Using the example of the Turks, the Dane throws in the media the topic of the shooting down of Russian planes violating the borders of freedom-loving countries.

            Tribylts and other free ones are constantly screaming about violations by the Russians.
            This article is a continuation of the screeching.

            But you go on living with illusions.
            Your right.
            1. +3
              14 July 2021 12: 55
              Although, most likely, Copenhagen is simply not ready to go into conflict with Russia.

              And thank God that there are sober-minded people in Denmark in the country's leadership!
        2. -1
          14 July 2021 11: 07
          How do Denmark, Turks and photos fit together in the article?
        3. +2
          14 July 2021 11: 35
          I'm shocked at how you can distort the meaning of what is written lol
          1. 0
            15 July 2021 19: 10
            No need to look for adventures on your own. But they will find you themselves!
        4. -5
          14 July 2021 12: 23
          I will support!
          Different situations, different actions. If someone is waiting for his opportunity (Denmark), then do not la-la, you need to act. They completely stuck against the background of Russophobia.
        5. +1
          14 July 2021 12: 26
          Quote: For example
          Where is the adequacy?

          The Dane suffers from the inability to shoot down a Russian plane.
          Adequate Dane.

          I didn’t write about people suffering from a lack of people, but about people who really make decisions in the Danish leadership. They are more adequate than the Turks.
          And I don't care about any mongrels.
        6. 0
          14 July 2021 15: 46
          but the Danes thrashed our national team. We ourselves must be tough about the violation of our borders and not fight with violations of strangers, otherwise we will substitute our guys and violators of our borders must be destroyed without warning
    2. +3
      14 July 2021 10: 28
      Your tourism infrastructure needs to be developed, including for mass recreation for the middle price segment and with reasonable prices and service, and not subsidize the economies of not quite friendly countries by $ 30-35 billion a year))
      1. +4
        14 July 2021 11: 25
        Quote: Anchorite
        and not subsidize the economies of not quite friendly countries for $ 30-35 billion a year))

        A person chooses a vacation that is affordable and according to his needs.

        No one subsidizes Turkey.
        No one gratuitously (that is, for free laughing) does not give money to the Turks. (I'm talking about tourists)
        Tourists pay for the service.

        They cannot provide such a service in Russia.

        But officials are satisfied with this.
        Moreover, officials are contributing to the deterioration of the attractiveness of tourism in Russia.
        For example tourist tax.
        This is contrary to everything.

        For the fact that you came to the city in your country, you are obliged to pay the loot to the official.
        You must pay for driving on the road built for state money (on our taxes).

        Who do you work for, bureaucrats?
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        2. AAC
          -1
          16 July 2021 08: 32
          The military and police have no other options
    3. +3
      14 July 2021 10: 28
      Quote: Doccor18
      Of course, after all, several million Russians do not rest in Denmark every year ...

      Was there a threat of mass refusals from rest in Turkey?
      1. +7
        14 July 2021 10: 30
        Quote: syndicalist
        Was there a threat of mass refusals from rest in Turkey?

        Yes, what kind of threat is there, even a pandemic is not a hindrance to this "mega-vacation" ...
        1. +1
          14 July 2021 10: 51
          Quote: Doccor18
          Yes, what kind of threat is there, even a pandemic is not a hindrance to this "mega-vacation" ...

          Do you envy those who are vacationing in Turkey?

          The Turks did what the modern Russian government is not able to do.
          The Turks have created resorts and other comfortable places for recreation at prices affordable for a Russian person.

          Holidays in Turkey are cheaper than comparable holidays in Russia.

          Change the situation and people will forget about Turkey.

          And politics has nothing to do with it.
          Well, pulling the coronavirus here is an ordinary insanity.
          1. +3
            14 July 2021 11: 01
            Quote: For example
            The Turks did what the modern Russian government is not able to do.

            Thanks to the Germans.
          2. +5
            14 July 2021 12: 34
            Quote: For example
            Do you envy those who are vacationing in Turkey?

            First, you don’t have to.
            Secondly, only the powerless are jealous. If you want - achieve.
            Thirdly, what is there to envy? There is such a thrill on the banks of the Volga now, I recommend it to everyone, so in one place I saw all these Antalya / Sharmal Sheikhs ...
            Quote: For example
            And politics has nothing to do with it.
            Well, pulling the coronavirus here is an ordinary insanity.

            Oh well...
    4. +1
      14 July 2021 11: 48
      Quote: Doccor18
      Of course, after all, several million Russians do not rest in Denmark every year ...

      The point is not tourists, but the fact that Denmark, claiming a violation of the airspace, cannot shoot down our planes, due to the non-violation of their airspace. If in the case of Turkey, the violation of the airspace took place, and the missile caught up with the plane already over Syria, then in the case of Denmark, there are no violations, but there is an approach to their borders. In fact, if they shoot down our glider in the international air force, they can get a response, in the form of a strike on the airfield where their aircraft is based or on air defense systems.
      1. +3
        14 July 2021 12: 14
        And the Danes say that there was a violation of the RJ.
        Whom to believe? sad
        1. +3
          14 July 2021 13: 03
          Quote: Alexey Stepanov
          And the Danes say that there was a violation of the RJ.
          Whom to believe?

          And why is the air border of the island stretched disproportionately to the north, just at the point where the plane is turning, and does not have the outline of the island's coast? Where do we want there and draw the border?
          1. +1
            14 July 2021 13: 48
            Of course, they paint as they want laughing
          2. +2
            14 July 2021 20: 26
            It is not stretched to the north, it is tucked in from the west
    5. Maz
      -5
      14 July 2021 11: 55
      Firstly, it is not yet known who shot down our plane, and who sat at the controls and whose orders he followed. Erdogan reacted violently. The Pilot's body was returned with a guard of honor and military honors. And they apologized for a very long time. so that Denmark before Turkey, as truth and truth before provocation. What is it more like.
      1. 0
        14 July 2021 20: 27
        ... And they apologized for a very long time.

        Didn't apologize at all
  2. +1
    14 July 2021 10: 23
    At that time, it almost came to hostilities, but was limited to a temporary break in economic ties and the belated apology of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    As far as I understand, we have stopped flying over the territory of Turkey. To enter these strange competitions, who is more frostbitten, is generally not a very good idea, even if there are opponents against whom we win.
  3. -4
    14 July 2021 10: 23
    Turks are allowed a lot. They are our friends, or rather OUR friends.
    Welcome to Azerbaijan, in Syria, do whatever you want.
    And we give them tourists, nuclear power plants, air defense and home tomatoes
    1. KCA
      +3
      14 July 2021 10: 43
      And what is the difference between Turkey and Azerbaijan or the United States? In Syria, the US is doing what we tell them to do? Oryzhochnye iPhones, how do they differ from a tomato, in terms of politics?
  4. -6
    14 July 2021 10: 28
    In Denmark: Turks once shot down a Russian Aerospace Forces plane, but we cannot afford this

    More precisely, the Americans, by the hands of the Turks. Official Ankara would not agree to this.
    1. +3
      14 July 2021 10: 31
      How long will you come up with an excuse for the impotence of our elite?
      Complete shame from the lack of cover for bombers to "will not get rid of tomatoes" ©
      1. 0
        14 July 2021 10: 36
        How long will you come up with an excuse for the impotence of our elite?

        Let me ask you, what do you mean by not impotence?
        What should have been the answer?
        1. +1
          14 July 2021 10: 48
          Quote: lucul
          Let me ask you, what do you mean by not impotence?
          What should have been the answer?

          I guess Runoway would like to drop something in Istanbul? Measured in kilotons? Or even worse?
        2. +2
          14 July 2021 11: 04
          Nobody says to fire rockets from the couch, but
          -prohibit tourism to the "country where terrorists are treated and trained" © official media
          - a ban on the purchase of products from clothes to the same tomato!
          Excuse me, but I'm confused as to how it relates to Turkey, chronology of quotes from federal channels
          -Turkey helps terrorists heal them and with the help of them there are columns of Syrian oil tanks
          -Turkey shoots down our plane, terrorists from the ground finish off the pilots from the stands of operators
          -Russian intelligence warned and saved Erdogan from a coup (again in the gum)
          -Erdogan brings troops to Syria
          -Erdogan brings troops to Libya
          -Erdogan climbed into Karabakh
          1. +1
            14 July 2021 11: 25
            Quote: Runoway
            Turkey helps terrorists treat them and with their help columns of Syrian oil tanks go
            - quickly ended

            Quote: Runoway
            Turkey shoots down our plane, terrorists from the ground finish off the pilots from the stands of the operators TRAITING STRIKE IN THE BACK
            - the business reacted extremely quickly and began to put pressure on Erdogan. Then the sultan apologized .. Which is actually nonsense .. For the losses from the termination of trade are more than a million dollars a day ...

            Quote: Runoway
            Russian intelligence warned and saved Erdogan from a coup (again in the gums)

            - a sign of fitting from ours. Like they could - and NOT warn ..

            Quote: Runoway
            Erdogan climbed into Karabakh
            don't you think STRANGE that after that a) we ended up in Karabakh, b) PRO-AMERICAN Pashinyan ran to Moscow on half-bent ... and spoke exclusively in Russian, which, in general, is nonsense under the protocol
            I would not be surprised - if all this was planned by us in advance ...
            Politics is a dirty business
            1. +5
              14 July 2021 11: 28
              Then the sultan apologized .. Which is actually nonsense

              The stretcher apologized - the girl's honor restored © wassat
              1. -4
                14 July 2021 11: 41
                Quote: Runoway
                Then the sultan apologized .. Which is actually nonsense

                The stretcher apologized - the girl's honor restored © wassat

                Quote: your1970
                Politics is a dirty business


                The methods of influencing Erdogan were effective and quick
        3. +2
          14 July 2021 11: 06
          Let me ask you, what do you mean by not impotence?

          In fact, in a nutshell, the authorities are unable to act in the interests of the country, against the interests of business (and I'm not talking about Turkish gain now)
  5. +6
    14 July 2021 10: 31
    was limited to a temporary break in economic ties and the belated apology of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    "Apologies" exist only in the retelling of Russian propagandists. In reality, only regret was expressed about the incident.
  6. +2
    14 July 2021 10: 34
    No need to speculate on this topic!
    1. +2
      14 July 2021 10: 43
      Some who do not understand ...
      1. +1
        14 July 2021 10: 51
        Good day! To you and all members of the forum) if the tongue itches, on a branch with kikhelami welk.
  7. -1
    14 July 2021 10: 36
    In principle, the Danes can shoot down, they will also have nothing. As one important man said recently at a press conference, there will be no war.
    There are many examples: nuclear submarines Kursk, Il-20 in Syria, Su-24, Mi-24 in Karabakh, PMCs in Libya and Syria ...
    So work brothers.
  8. +1
    14 July 2021 10: 42
    In the case of Denmark, such a reaction would be excessive, since Russian fighters do not look like a threat.


    Thank God, and it wouldn't be a bad thing to have proof, and not just to use your tongue ...
    1. +2
      14 July 2021 11: 00
      Quote: cniza
      In the case of Denmark, such a reaction would be excessive, since Russian fighters do not look like a threat.


      Thank God, and it wouldn't be a bad thing to have proof, and not just to use your tongue ...

      They definitely need to sing something anti-Russian, in the light of the policy of the Washington regional committee.
      1. +1
        14 July 2021 11: 04
        But somehow we are not cold, not hot from their singing ...
      2. +1
        14 July 2021 12: 24
        Quote: Terenin
        They definitely need to sing something anti-Russian

        Not without this, and maybe it's a pity for money. and the month was intense, they will have a rest ...
        From 2018 to 2021, the Danish Air Force raised aircraft 142 times on alert. Of these, 135 times - precisely in order to drive away Russian planes .... If you look at the costs associated with emergency flights in recent years, there is no clear growth. The number of sorties to intercept foreign planes has been stable at 38 to 47 per year .... In June 2021, Danish F-16s took off on alert ten times, while at the beginning of the year there were only one or two such sorties per month. Likewise, since 2018, the number of alarm flights every month could be counted on the fingers of one hand - with the exception of June. In June 2018, our planes took to the air to intercept 17 times. In June 2019 - 12 times, and in June 2020 - 11 times. https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210712/250098226.html
  9. -3
    14 July 2021 10: 46
    And not three nuclear submarines through the Danish straits for the parade went to St. Petersburg! Not Danish mice across Denmark Baltic Pipka, stopped on land, for educational purposes?
  10. +2
    14 July 2021 10: 48
    Quote: lucul
    How long will you come up with an excuse for the impotence of our elite?

    Let me ask you, what do you mean by not impotence?
    What should have been the answer?

    Well, of course. Day after day, the divisions of your sofas on Topvar are destroying the west coast of the United States, and the amount of Poland and other Romania erased to groundwater cannot be counted at all.

    Well, how did you come to the point, so immediately sat down on the back end to come up with exculpatory conspiracy theories, where in fact Turkey itself is not to blame, it is tricky Washington to blame, and against it, it turns out, the guts are not twitchy.
  11. -1
    14 July 2021 10: 54
    The Danes are just missing out on a couple of things.
    -Russian plane was shot down in Syria, where the war is going on:
    -Turkish ace carried out unknown whose order.
  12. -6
    14 July 2021 11: 03
    I’m wondering - why is everyone everywhere, so sure that the Turks were not punished for knocked down "drying"? Personally, I am more than sure that either Erdogan presented a 100% argument for his innocence. Or he was punished all the same, but "quietly", so that the proud oriental man did not "lose face."
    1. +1
      14 July 2021 11: 31
      He was punished, he was allowed to send his troops to Syria and Libya, let him lose his subjects there ...
      This is a cunning plan, a multi-move
    2. +3
      14 July 2021 11: 52
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Personally, I am more than sure that either Erdogan presented a 100% argument for his innocence. Or he was punished all the same, but "quietly", so that the proud oriental man did not "lose face."

      Yes, we and America have already won, but in a quiet way, so that the mattresses do not lose face.
  13. +1
    14 July 2021 11: 14
    Well, if you fantasize like that, then what will happen if Denmark hits our plane? War? Not. Embargo on what? There are even fewer levers of pressure on the Danes than on the Turks ..))) To bomb Europe - no one in Russia will ever go for it .. Former Soviet Lithuanians, Latvians or Estonians, on occasion, can still be mixed up if they rock the boat .., and the Danes or someone else from old Europe .. - nothing will happen, except for notes of protest, summons of ambassadors on the carpet and other Foreign Ministry fuss .. don't even hope ..
    1. -1
      14 July 2021 11: 37
      You can lay a land mine, for example, along the route of some units of the Danish contingent in any country, you can carry out a cyberattack on any enterprise in Denmark ... There are many options!
      1. -1
        14 July 2021 11: 53
        You can ..)) but your options are a covert war, invisible to ordinary people, not causing international resonance .. but the shooting down of an aircraft that violated the border for some seconds is a clear demonstration ... Oh! if there is a DEMONSTRATION, then why is there no ANGELSTATION ???! Or at least Monstration, without this "De" ..
        1. -3
          14 July 2021 12: 02
          Demonstration is certainly good, but if Erdogan was punished with a dollar or something else, it is painful, but quiet. It is certainly not so colorful, but more effective. Henceforth, Erdik himself will be more careful and will hold his sixes.
        2. -1
          14 July 2021 14: 05
          Do you need a massive strike with "calibers" on Copenhagen live on russia today?
      2. 0
        15 July 2021 15: 17
        Maybe the border is just not violated?
    2. 0
      15 July 2021 18: 31
      Your nikname from son of dick growing i hope?
  14. +2
    14 July 2021 11: 29
    Why do ours fly there? Do not understand something to me?
    1. +1
      14 July 2021 19: 25
      NATO exercises there every June and fly "to see others and show themselves" ... and on the way, this Danish island ...
  15. -5
    14 July 2021 11: 37
    It is necessary to send it to every country in the world by plane. With those countries that these planes will not shoot down - and we will be friends. The rest are blacklisted ...
  16. -2
    14 July 2021 11: 48
    gentlemen Danes ..... continue to adhere to northern composure and equanimity ..... "ours" flew - you give us a note .... "yours" flew - we give you a note ....... how to bring down the Turks to try it is possible, BUT this may be the very moment when you break the "patience" and specifically you will be thrown for everyone - indicatively and a lot .... but do you / we need it?
  17. +3
    14 July 2021 12: 24
    Somehow, the discussion immediately goes into the mainstream of "what to do, what not to do, and why".
    And you need to start with whether there were really violations of the Danish airspace. If not, the question is settled. If yes (even more so if both are confirmed), the question is first to our MO: why are we doing this?
    Political decisions later.
    1. +1
      14 July 2021 14: 28
      More likely by accident, there is not enough space for our Su-24. There is most likely no evil (provocative) intent.
      1. +1
        14 July 2021 14: 53
        Then, if we admit the violation, without waiting for a reaction, we ourselves (in the working order through the Ministry of Defense) say "sorry, not on purpose" every time this happens. Likewise, we apologize for the undercuts on the road with the emergency gang. And they will not summon the ambassador to no avail.
        1. +1
          15 July 2021 09: 46
          I agree, I think it will be quite adequate. I would also like on the part of NATO members to be adequate, they commit such minor violations many times more, plus in places where randomness raises doubts.
  18. 0
    14 July 2021 13: 54
    "We, Denmark, are not some kind of Turks."
  19. -3
    14 July 2021 15: 39
    ... the idea of ​​a fix among the Turks about the great Turan, the aggression and expansion of the Turkish fascists is growing, Turkey should not have a place on the world map, it is an aggressive country fighting with everyone and perverting Islam, pitting Muslims and fooling them with its fakes and propaganda ... amerikosov ... to a dead end or to war.
  20. 0
    14 July 2021 21: 30
    Any country, fixing an insignificant approach for a couple of km, assesses this as an unintentional violation and dispenses with subsequent notes. When destruction occurs on these 1-2 km, if any, the country should be responsible for this not only with tomatoes. So far, the Turks and Azerbaijanis have rebounded, but I am not sure that they will be forgiven for this, if we do not again change the command in the Armed Forces and power to the final Lieberderasts.
    1. 0
      15 July 2021 15: 21
      This all works one or two times unintentionally ..
      As far as I remember, in Turkey it was repeatedly and a bolt was put on the warnings of the Turks.
      So they themselves achieved it
  21. 0
    15 July 2021 01: 07
    Well, that's good, the Varangians heeded and did not give in to Loki's persuasions. But no One can be angry wassat
  22. +1
    15 July 2021 07: 27
    Unfortunately, they shot down and did not answer ......, and the Russian Federation was "concerned".
  23. 0
    15 July 2021 18: 19
    Apologies - it was not enough to wishful thinking! Erdogan just spat in his face and got away with it! But no, there was something about tomatoes that it was me ...