The Ministry of Defense is testing two new training aircraft for the initial training of pilots

The Russian Ministry of Defense is testing two promising training aircraft for pilot training at once. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a conference call at the Ministry of Defense.

According to the head of the military department, the Ministry of Defense is currently testing the Yak-152 and UTS-800 initial flight training trainers. These aircraft are considered by the military as promising for training aviation... The Minister stressed that for high-quality training of cadets, it is necessary to have 500 new training aircraft and 200 helicopters.

At what stage are the tests and other details on the choice of the TCB are not reported.

Information on the Yak-152 trainer aircraft is available. The development of the Yak-152 trainer began in 2014 as part of the ROC with the code "Ptichka-VVS". The first prototype of the aircraft appeared already in 2016. The UAC promised to deliver the first serial Yak-152s for the Ministry of Defense this year.

Machine length - 7,8 m, wingspan - 8,8 m, area - 12,9 sq. M. Maximum takeoff weight - 1700 kg. The maximum speed is set at 500 km / h, the range at full refueling (245 kg) is 1500 km. The avionics is unified with the Yak-130 and ensures the creation of a single training complex.

But there is very little information on the UTS-800 trainer aircraft. It is known that it is being developed by the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA), the model of the aircraft was presented at the Army-2020 exhibition. The aircraft is equipped with a VK-800 engine, the takeoff weight is declared at 2100 kg.

Comments

[Cowbra]

Screw flying desks ... And why are old ones so bad? IMHO would be modernized with the replacement of materials, maybe updated avionics - and go. The Yankees have adopted our AN-28s, which are produced in Poland in a slightly modernized version - and are happy like a boa constrictor, we are stirring up everything, stirring up ... As one clever person says about this

Eh, what we do not keep, having lost - we spend money on an attempt to make a worsened version ...

[dimy44]

Yes xs. There are pluses - factories work, families get paid ...

[For example]

Quote: Cowbra

Why are the old ones so bad? IMHO would be modernized with the replacement of materials, maybe updated avionics - and go.

So they did.
The result is the Yak-152.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

It's different for everyone, but I really like the Yak-152. There are many factors in favor of its adoption. If only the engine problems could be solved, then off we go!

[alexmach]

Why are the old ones so bad?

Too old? And too Czech?

[Cowbra]

Aren't the Czechs reactive? And isn't it combat training? By the way, maybe it's time to have them, although Yaki is the 131st

[alexmach]

Reactive, nominally combat training, yes.
They just change. And the Yak-52 before that was not operated by the Ministry of Defense and DOSAF.

[svp67]

Quote: alexmach

And too Czech?

Reciprocating ?????? Yak-18, Yak-50? Too Czech, is it HOW?

[alexmach]

Does the Defense Ministry use Yak-18 and Yak-50? As I understand it, pilots are now starting flight training with Albatrosses. I could be wrong, of course ...

[svp67]

Quote: Cowbra

The Yankees won the armament of our specialists, our AN-28, which are produced in a slightly modernized version in Poland

And please ENLIGHTEN that the AN-28 is such a secret airplane, and even manufactured in Poland ...

Quote: Cowbra

Screw flying desks ... And why are old ones so bad?

By the fact that they are DEPRECATED. On the same Yak-152 there is a lot of unification with the Yak-130, and this one already allows training on most of our jet combat aircraft.

[Cowbra]

Quote: svp67

AN-28, and even manufactured in Poland ...

https://afirsov.livejournal.com/667903.html

[svp67]

Quote: Cowbra

https://afirsov.livejournal.com/667903.html

Ah ... "Bee" ... Thank you, I see.
Well, now UZGA L-410 produces, including for the Russian Aerospace Forces

[Cowbra]

Quote: svp67

Well, now UZGA L-410 produces, including for the Russian Aerospace Forces

So Firsov rode on this very topic - our Annushka approached the tripods, and we spank ourselves the Czech, paying money for the license.

[svp67]

Quote: Cowbra

paying money for the license.

For WHAT license? UZGA OWNER of Czech Aircraft Industries

[Cowbra]

Oh, I didn’t know, well then still so and so

[Alex_Bora]

Again the ubiquitous UZGA ... The sea - the results zilch! Oh, and they have a roof, everything is SWALLOWED!

[Alex_Bora]

Here's information for minus players:
1. Outpost (Israeli medium-range UAV), production was transferred to UZGU, and not just transferred to RKD, but through R&D, they say, now this Outpost-R will be.
2. Altius (medium-range UAV), the finished RKD was taken from Simonov's design bureau, also through R&D, now it should be Altius-U. They gave it away long ago, the results cannot be heard or seen
3. There were themes of Baikal and other developments to replace the An-2 - everything was given to UZGE, again a new ROC. No results yet visible
4. Here is now also educational and training, also OCD, for sure.
The results are not yet mentioned either.
5. Well, there is one working topic - release under license L-39.
That's something like ...
Now ask yourself a question: what aircraft were previously designed by the design bureau of the Ural Civil Aviation Plant? What is the level of the design school of this design bureau?
Honored aviation design bureaus, with the exception of a few, are interrupted from bread to water, and here so many OCD topics are mastered.
Well, the results ... Something there is not much hope ... I will be glad to be wrong

[carstorm 11]

Altius was taken because a lot of money was stolen there. No results?) Google it already ns weapons are going to be accepted)))

[Orange bigg]

There were themes for Baikal and other developments to replace the An-2 - everything was given to UZGE, again a new ROC. Results are not visible yet

A prototype LMS-901 ("Baikal") is already being assembled.

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The airframe of the first prototype of the light multifunctional aircraft LMS-901 ("Baikal") manufactured at the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI) in Moscow, April 2021. Close to the glider is the rector of the Moscow Aviation Institute, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Mikhail Pogosyan (c) Artyom Drabkin

... Prototypes LMS-901 should be equipped with a General Electric H80-200 turboprop engine (a modernized version of the Czech Walter M601 engine). Serial samples of the aircraft are supposed to be equipped with the promising Russian VK-800S turboprop engine. In accordance with the terms of reference, the cost of a serial sample LMS-901 should not exceed 120 million rubles in 2020 prices, and the cost of a flight hour excluding leasing is 40 thousand rubles.

https://pikabu.ru/story/izgotovlenie_pervogo_opyitnogo_obraztsa_legkogo_samoleta_lms901_8158501

[donavi49]

L-39 died long ago, and other people are engaged in resuscitation with partial modernization.

UZGA has a wagon of monetary topics:
- L-410 with increased localization and modernization within the framework of the certificate.

- Creation of a new TVRS aircraft, based on the received drawings and documentation of a dead L-610 with good money "The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation planned to achieve allocation from the federal budget of 20-25 billion rubles for development work (ROC) on the TVRS project based on L-610. "

- Assembly of a screwdriver, before the localization of the aircraft of the Austrian company Diamond, with pushing them even MO.

- Assembly of Bell helicopters for implementation under the NSSA state program

- the creation of a new LMFS - formally experienced is done in the MAI, but the money goes through the gaskets of the UZGA.

- well, a new aircraft for initial training (by the way, they produce and sell it - this is a Diamond, even MO), so far only in the layout and concept, against the flying Yak-152.

Yet lobbying is a great thing. From a small enterprise, knowing the right people, UZGA turned into a giant of production and development in Russia .

[URAL72]

Outpost Israeli, what's the difference to whom was it transferred? They wanted to do S-100 in Taganrog, but nothing is heard. UZGA bought a plant in the Czech Republic for their hard-earned money, transported equipment and documentation, makes L-410 and not L-39. Altius is ready. I will be glad if we have a private company for the development and production of aircraft. Yes, not Musk. But a start has been made, and this is not a supermarket chain. But unlike the mastodons, they do not disdain small things and are looking for sales markets. If we, like in China, made parts in every garage and sent them all over the world by mail, there would be work and wages and taxes and currency.

[maratkoRuEkb]

You wrote that as much as darkness is obtained, but in fairness for the sake of L-410 they produce and localization increases. We could have revealed this topic, and not just write a negative.

[Cottodraton]

They wanted to assemble 152 at our factory.

[Kurare]

Yak-152 with non-Russian diesel RED A03T V12, UTS-800 with gas turbine VK-800, not yet serial. Let's see what happens.

[Grizli-666]

UTS-800 is a Yak-152 with a turboprop engine

[donavi49]

This is a completely different plane. From the yak there is only the basic scheme. That is, UTS-800 can be called the localization of Kortoky Tukan or the Turkish new UTS with a Russian turboprop, for example.

In general, they would not reinvent the wheel, but brainstorm a masterpiece and a standard, even together with Yak and other design bureaus. Nobody would definitely be against it. Moreover, while in Russia as many as 5 or 6 Yak-152s were born, Pilatus pasted his 200+ masterpieces and orders another wagon.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: donavi49

not reinvent the wheel, but brainstorm a masterpiece

Yes Easy.
Only bad luck, first you still have to invent a "bicycle", that is, a small engine.
And on a good engine, the picket fence will fly.

[donavi49]

The RT-6 engine was made in 59 and has produced more than 50 units to date. Pilatus here simply took the most widespread and popular in the world. By the way, the Turks made their own plane on it and are building it calmly, without fear of sanctions. For they know that even Kim can buy such an engine if he wants .

[Zaurbek]

The VK800 will be cut anyway, its clients are Ansat, Ka226, L410... therefore, it is quite probable both on UAVs and on training aircraft

[Jacket in stock]

And here some people scoff about the Indian "zoo".
Here we have a zoo, so a zoo, the Indians can never catch up.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And here some people scoff about the Indian "zoo".
Here we have a zoo, so a zoo, the Indians can never catch up.

Where is the zoo? In experimental developments that have not been put into service? So he was and is always and everywhere.
The Indians have a zoo just in the cars that have been put into service.

[Yrec]

Ideally, initial training of pilots should be conducted at the DOSAAF base, starting at age 16. Training aircraft are needed there. And initial training and selection of pilots should take place there.

[Heel]

The Minister stressed that for high-quality training of cadets, it is necessary to have 500 new training aircraft and 200 helicopters.

Excuse me, can anyone explain why there are 500 aircraft of initial training?
initial training is 40-60 well, let it be 100 flight hours, so one 152nd can train 5 pilots in a very sparing mode in a year, this is at least 2500 (!) new pilots a year, but in fact, where are there so many? the Russian Air Force has only 5000 different aircraft 2500 new pilots a year, this means that the flight structure of the airborne missile defense system will be renewed in three years, all, and no more reservists are allowed to approach the aircraft, this is somehow wasteful, and in general it looks strange

[Elephant]

This year, the Zavodskoye airport in Simferopol was given over to private developers to be torn apart. Soon, there will be no airfields left for small aircraft in the country.

[Filxnumx]

At one time, there were serious passions here about why we need two training aircraft: the propeller-driven Yak-2 and the turbojet SK-152. Now, it turns out, this matter is decided. But why the hell does the Ministry of Defense need two propeller-driven training aircraft? And again, UZGA with its vague prospects for the training aircraft puts in its two cents. What was wrong with the SK-10, that it was not designed by UZGA?

[Eug]

I don't know what the UTS-800 will look like, but in my opinion, it would be rational to make a UTS-SLBS like the Tucano or Pilatus with a two-seat cabin and LMS Baikal that is maximally unified with the Yak-130, both with VK-800 engines. And leave the piston engines for amateurs and DOSAAF. And also - not on topic, but in order to unify the VKS aircraft line - I would redesign the Yak-130 as a more advanced (with radar and appropriate weapons, something in between the Yak-130 and L-15) LBS on one non-afterburning Al-31,41 or izd.30.

[Tramp]

it is necessary to have a stock of such fighters. They are not expensive but modern ones are expensive and take a long time to make.

[Givi_49]

Russian Defense Ministry is testing

Is this a government test?

[Visitor Guglov]

Bravo! Always flew under the USSR nak Czech ... and 30 years in general in the anus. Though now in the 21st century they have composed something.