The "International" is not ours: It is not profitable in Russia to talk about the successes of the Communist Party of China

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The Chinese Communist Party celebrated its 100th anniversary. Events dedicated to this date were held throughout China. The capital of the country - Beijing - celebrated the anniversary of the ruling power on the largest scale, including aviation parade, which was attended by the latest combat aircraft J-20.

Over Tiananmen Square, the International thundered, which in modern China is considered the main musical work of the ruling political party and is actually revered along with the anthem. The words of "seething minds" and "the rising world of hungry and slaves" were chanted by the highest authorities of the People's Republic of China, demonstrating their commitment to the CCP's ideas and ideals.



In the "Agitprop" story, Konstantin Semin draws attention to the fact that the federal TV channels of Russia tried either to ignore the theme of the 100th anniversary of the Communist Party of China, or told about the event in a very peculiar way. For example, it was reported that "Chinese citizens are now attracted not by the Internationale, but by rap."

According to the journalist and video blogger, in modern Russia, it is simply unprofitable for political elites to talk about the anniversary of the CCP, because then they will have to talk about the many successes of China that were achieved under the Communist Party.

Then the well-known dogma of Chubais that the closure of factories can and "should" be carried out not even for the sake of economic benefit, but as a "nail in the lid of the coffin of communism" will fall. And while we have a lot of such nails hammered, in China they continue to emphasize the role of the Communist Party in large-scale creative activity.

The "International" is not ours.

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  1. -19
    5 July 2021 15: 42
    In modern Russia, it is simply unprofitable for the political elites to talk about the anniversary of the CCP, because then they will have to talk about the many successes of China that were achieved under the Communist Party.
    Well, let's say, in the USSR, too, they did not talk too much about the successes of the CCP ...
    Then the well-known dogma of Chubais that the closure of factories can and "should" be carried out will fall
    Even less is said about this dogma in modern Russia than about the CCP.
    In the plot of "Agitprop" Konstantin Semin draws attention to
    But Semin from across the ocean, of course, knows better ... It is strange that he has not yet moved to China, closer to the "numerous successes of the CCP."
    1. +21
      5 July 2021 15: 52
      Well, let's say, in the USSR, too, they did not talk too much about the successes of the CCP ...

      China at that time lagged behind the USSR, just as modern Russia lagged behind China. And it was pointless to talk about China's successes.
      But Semin from across the ocean, of course, knows better ... It is strange that he has not yet moved to China, closer to the "numerous successes of the CCP."

      And who is not from overseas? Especially their children .. all there, well, or in Europe .. Semin, unlike them, is an ordinary blogger who does not make any decisions .. But he often sets the accents very accurately.
      1. -10
        5 July 2021 16: 00
        Quote: Svarog
        China at that time lagged behind the USSR

        If someone lags behind it does not mean that he has no success.
        Quote: Svarog
        But he often sets the accents very accurately.

        In this case, the usual hype. However, as usual. Or do you often hear about the "Chubais dogma" in the media? I, for example, do not hear at all. And news about China is far from uncommon.
        1. +2
          6 July 2021 11: 55
          Quote: Lesovik
          If someone lags behind it does not mean that he has no success.

          Success after success ...
          Since 2010, the minimum wage in Gabon has been 150 francs per month (000 rubles). The minimum wage in Russia is 20% lower - only 200 rubles. And this despite the huge reserves of oil, gas, diamonds, gold, platinum, palladium, aluminum, nickel, titanium

          Prosperous Russia (rubles per month):
          11 653 - Living wage
          12 792 - Minimum wage
          13 345 - Pension
          20 - Teacher salary
          25 - Doctor's salary
          35 - Miner's salary
          399 300 - Salary of a State Duma deputy
          79 - Sechin's salary
          107 - Miller's Salary
          1. -2
            6 July 2021 12: 22
            Quote: Hyperion
            Success after success ...
            Since 2010, the minimum wage in Gabon

            At the same time, 20% are unemployed, 34% are below the poverty line.
            Miracles and only, right?
            1. -1
              6 July 2021 12: 26
              Quote: Lesovik
              At the same time, 20% are unemployed, 34% are below the poverty line.
              Miracles and only, right?

              Directly bursting with pride that we are in some way better than Gabon, right?
              1. -1
                6 July 2021 12: 27
                Quote: Hyperion
                Direct pride is bursting with that we are in something better than Gabon

                You can be proud of Gabon if it is dearer to you.
                1. -1
                  6 July 2021 12: 29
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  You can be proud of Gabon if it is dearer to you.

                  I'd rather be ashamed for Russia.
                  1. -1
                    6 July 2021 12: 32
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    I'd rather be ashamed for Russia.

                    Your right. This is not punishable in Russia.
                    1. +2
                      6 July 2021 12: 35
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      Your right. This is not punishable in Russia.

                      So far, yes. A flaw in the authorities. But work is already underway to prohibit portraying Russia in an unattractive light.
                      1. -4
                        6 July 2021 12: 44
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        So far, yes. A flaw in the authorities. But work is already underway to ban

                        Don't worry, the comparison with Gabon will not be affected.
                      2. -4
                        6 July 2021 15: 35
                        Do not crucify yourself in front of the troll, he does not live in Russia. hi
                      3. +4
                        6 July 2021 18: 37
                        Quote: VORON538
                        Do not crucify yourself in front of the troll, he does not live in Russia.

                        Lying is bad.
    2. +2
      7 July 2021 09: 52
      what ocean is he from? Yes, the ex-wife is there with his child. And he himself is here like BE
  2. +18
    5 July 2021 15: 43
    We have the Communist Party itself, represented by its top, betrayed the country. In 1991, there were enough honest and decent ordinary communists who were ready to defend the country at the first order. Instead, the "elite" remained silent and quietly merged. And then she headed a big fight.
    1. +10
      5 July 2021 16: 17
      The communists were enough, but no one rushed to defend their power and lay down under the tanks sacrificing their lives. Everyone on TV watched the shooting of the White House and scratched their belly on the couch, and now they are looking for the extreme. Who is guilty?! Chubais and the State Department!
      1. +4
        5 July 2021 16: 47
        Quote: Clever man
        There were enough communists, but no one rushed to defend their power

        We were men of command, trained to trust our commanders.
      2. 0
        6 July 2021 02: 45
        Exactly, Chubais, the State Department and EBN, and even the humpbacked coward!
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      4. +1
        7 July 2021 09: 53
        several hundred killed both in the streets and stupidly shot at the stadium is this "nobody"?
    2. +9
      5 July 2021 17: 11
      That's right, are you, the enemies of the communists, capable of doing at least something useful for Russia and the Russian people with your 30-year-old cowardly whine, "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame," "but we have nothing to do with it, this is and in the USSR it was, we still disentangle it. " To benefit your country and people, you need to have a sense of responsibility for what you have done, and you don’t have any trace of it.
  3. +17
    5 July 2021 15: 47
    In modern Russia, it is simply unprofitable for the political elites to talk about the anniversary of the CCP, because then they will have to talk about the many successes of China that were achieved under the Communist Party.

    The successes of China are obvious even to Chubais, as well as the "breakthroughs" of Russia .. Thirty mediocre years of capitalism made Russia a third world country.
    1. +7
      5 July 2021 15: 56
      Vladimir, the successes of China. They are built on completely different economic principles, different from the times of the USSR.
      Do you know about pensions in China? Or about the taxation system?
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        1. +3
          5 July 2021 16: 35
          Good question. + to you for your curiosity. Can you find the answer yourself?
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          2. +1
            8 July 2021 15: 58
            The situation with pensions in the PRC has changed for the better. Information that is 15-20 years old and even 10 years old is not relevant.
      2. +8
        5 July 2021 17: 06
        Quote: tasha
        Do you know about pensions in China? Or about the taxation system?

        About pensions:
        If in 1998 the average pension in China was only 413 yuan, now the average pension is already noticeably higher than the average Russian pension - 14200 rubles a month. Of course, the average monthly pension in China varies considerably by region. For example, in Beijing it is 3 yuan (in terms of rubles at the current exchange rate - 050 rubles), in Qinghai - 30 yuan (500 rubles), in Xinjiang - 2 yuan (593 rubles), in Jiangsu - 25 yuan (930 rubles), in Yunnan - 2 yuan (298 rubles). It should be noted that, despite the general rise in prices, the retail prices of the consumer sector in the PRC are noticeably lower than in Russia.

        More details here: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4315175.html
        About taxation:

        At the yuan / ruble exchange rate = 1 / 11,36
        1. 0
          5 July 2021 17: 27
          Yuri Vasilyevich, we have already talked about the social expenses of the PRC .. Two years ago.
          Time is short, so I'm quick and thesis, okay? Data for 2016.

          "The fact is that in China (according to data for 2016), only 16,7 percent of citizens are over 60 years old." "In Russia, the number of pensioners is about 44 million, that is, about 31 percent of the population."
          "BEIJING, Mar 5, 2021 - RIA Novosti. The Chinese authorities will gradually increase the retirement age from 2021 to 2025, according to the report on the work of the government, which was made at the opening of the annual session of the parliament by Premier Li Keqiang."
          "Official website of the State Council of the People's Republic of China (reprinted from the official China Daily), 2016:" China will gradually raise the official retirement age in order to combat the effects of population aging. "
      3. +9
        5 July 2021 17: 12
        Quote: tasha
        Do you know about pensions in China? Or about the taxation system?

        I know .. pensions are significantly higher than in Russia and the number of people receiving it is constantly increasing .. The age of retirement husband is 60, women are 55 .. What's wrong with their pensions?
        If you mean that not everyone in China gets it .. then I will upset you, we have significantly more people will not live to see it ..
        Despite all the innovations of the Communist Party, as of 2021, not all elderly Chinese receive a pension. Of 231 million citizens over 60 years old, only 153 million people receive pension payments

        In general, the Chinese manage to pay pensions to the population, which is more than the population of the Russian Federation by as much as 11 million ..
        1. +3
          5 July 2021 17: 32
          "Here it is worth returning to the question of social justice: a relatively high average pension and very impressive pensions for party members, workers of large city enterprises and officials are achieved due to the fact that they receive about 11 (!) Times more than other pensioners."
  4. +19
    5 July 2021 15: 48
    Because against the background of the colossal successes of China and the CPC, our rulers, who surrendered and sold everything that is possible in their time, oath, honor, conscience, the USSR, the people, socialism, and in general - the country's future for the sake of their bottomless pockets, look like just pathetic nonentities and outspoken traitors .. With all their liberalism and crap ..
    1. +3
      5 July 2021 16: 05
      Pavel, I don't put any minuses, but I have to write to you. If a person deliberately distorts words ("liberalism and crap .."), then at least he poorly understands their meaning ..

      “Meanwhile, Stalin’s struggle for democratic political reforms naturally and logically followed from his Marxist-Leninist ideas about the development of democracy as socialism was being built, as well as about the correspondence of the political institutions of society to the nature of its economic relations. democratic changes in the constitutional structure of the country, which would reflect the grandiose changes that have taken place in the economy and social life of Soviet society. "
      1. +3
        5 July 2021 16: 11
        And you really do not distinguish between Soviet people's democracy and nonesh bourgeois crap democracy ?? belay
        1. +3
          5 July 2021 16: 33
          I can distinguish well between people who use words, poorly understanding their meaning. And when they are corrected, they start to play around ...
        2. +1
          5 July 2021 16: 46
          Excuse me, please. I'm a little ... nervous today. Please note that your comments are read by people from the VO community and not only. And the comments are good. And what you (by chance, I hope) wrote - can be heard from the lips of any evil character on the street ...
          Once again I apologize ... Respectfully ... hi
          1. -1
            5 July 2021 17: 50
            And I am the malevolent character. In relation to your crap.
      2. +7
        5 July 2021 17: 10
        Quote: tasha
        If a person deliberately distorts words ("liberalism and crap .."), then at least he poorly understands their meaning ..

        If a person deliberately distorts the spelling of these words, then he thereby says that these concepts are perverted by specific persons in the country.
        1. +1
          5 July 2021 17: 30
          No, Yuri Vasilievich. This is disrespect and rudeness. First of all, to you and other VO readers. hi
          1. -5
            5 July 2021 17: 49
            If you like, you can read it off as rudeness towards yourself, half-venerated one.
            1. 0
              5 July 2021 17: 53
              Pavel, I'm sorry again. Well, what should I write to Yuri Vasilyevich? I wrote the truth - what I think about such comments.
              You accidentally fell under the distribution. But you will have a good and successful day tomorrow. hi I will instruct you on the plus ...
  5. +13
    5 July 2021 15: 57
    -in modern Russia, it is simply unprofitable for political elites to talk about the anniversary of the CCP,
    "Russia can have as many nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is it your elite or already ours."
    Zbigniew Bzezhinsky
  6. -12
    5 July 2021 16: 11
    It is not profitable in Russia to talk about the successes of the Communist Party of China

    We have our own, why should we talk about their successes! belay
    1. +9
      5 July 2021 16: 38
      What can you say about our successes, commensurate with theirs?
      1. -7
        5 July 2021 17: 45
        Quote: out of habit
        What can you say about our successes, commensurate with theirs?

        I'm tired of listing. hi
  7. +1
    5 July 2021 16: 12
    The "International" is not ours: It is not profitable in Russia to talk about the successes of the Communist Party of China
    I would like to understand that everything is as simple as two and two ... that's just not how it works.
    You can try to say that we have our own path ... that something does not inspire!
    But to say, turn everything back ... no, not really!
    The question is, what to say then?
    1. +8
      5 July 2021 16: 41
      The question is, what to say then?

      We like to talk about Ukraine. laughing
    2. +4
      5 July 2021 17: 16
      Quote: rocket757
      You can try to say that we have our own path ... that something does not inspire!

      Believe me, the Chinese way does not inspire corrupt officials, embezzlers and traitors to the homeland. They don't want to get shot for their "great accomplishments" ...
      Somewhere an interview flashed, where the Chinese unambiguously predicted the fate of Russian people like Chubais, Abramovich, Potanin, etc.
      In China, they shoot for lesser crimes and return the stolen goods to the Chinese treasury ...
      Yes
      1. +3
        5 July 2021 18: 20
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Believe me, the Chinese path does not inspire corrupt officials, embezzlers and traitors to the homeland.

        So you can remember Ilf and Petrov "Golden Calf"! It seemed from Kozlevich's story that the change of the "guard", that is, its passengers happened with enviable regularity! The previous ones were certainly not stroked on the head, rather they smeared their foreheads with green paint, but the next ones were not at all restrained, did not frighten off !!! Human vices were born before humans ... in short, it's understandable.
        It is necessary to fight the phenomenon in different ways, including. and the most radical methods! It is unlikely to eradicate, but it is still possible to reduce the negative impact.
        1. +4
          5 July 2021 19: 14
          Quote: rocket757
          It is necessary to fight the phenomenon in different ways, including. and the most radical methods! It is unlikely to eradicate, but it is still possible to reduce the negative impact.

          I believe that it is necessary to fight against negative phenomena (violations of the law, administrative offenses, etc., etc.) not so much radically as without making exceptions to the rules.
          It is practically possible to eradicate any type of criminal activity (with some margin of error on various idiots, maniacs and people with mental disabilities). The point is that the degree of punishment must correspond to the severity of the crime. In addition, recidivism of crimes cannot be infinite in number. An important role is also given to the material component of punishment. In a word:
    3. -2
      5 July 2021 18: 19
      Quote: rocket757
      The "International" is not ours: It is not profitable in Russia to talk about the successes of the Communist Party of China
      I would like to understand that everything is as simple as two and two ... that's just not how it works.
      You can try to say that we have our own path ... that something does not inspire!
      But to say, turn everything back ... no, not really!
      The question is, what to say then?

      If in relation to the article, then it is necessary to talk about the advanced socio-economic system in China. Thanks to this system, the PRC is the leader in world development.
      And in Russia, a political-oligarchic regime has been created with the irreplaceable power of a narrow group. Such a system is not capable of developing, which we have seen for the last ten years.
      1. +1
        5 July 2021 18: 24
        This is understandable ... What to do ??? if the talking shop is tired!
        1. 0
          5 July 2021 20: 07
          Quote: rocket757
          This is understandable ... What to do ??? if the talking shop is tired!

          The question is not easy to answer and difficult to understand.
          In short, according to Vysotsky
          "There is no need to beat, but they will not penetrate - to explain!"
          More extensively ...
          You understand this, I understand, Svarog understands ... I will not list everyone on VO. And 100 million in Russia do not understand this. Even those who voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (2016) 7 mil do not really understand, otherwise they would be more active. Therefore, the first position remains - to explain, and the second position - to actively participate in social and political life.
          1. +2
            6 July 2021 09: 56
            Unfortunately, understanding does not always translate into real deeds .... we are not associates, we do not go to the people, and on the internet everything is very blurry, divided and ... the prospects of uniting in something meaningful, somehow I can’t believe.
            Quote: populist
            Therefore, the first position remains - to explain, and the second position - to actively participate in social and political life.

            We explain how we can, to whom we can, but this is clearly not enough. Very narrow audience.
            I have an "outlet", my pupils ... albeit not a lot, but this is a real thing .... this is so, for self-assurance.
  8. +4
    5 July 2021 16: 25
    Quote: Lesovik
    Well, let's say, in the USSR, too, they did not talk too much about the successes of the CCP ...
    Let us also assume that the Communist Party of the USSR achieved much greater success than the Communist Party of China, therefore there was not much to talk about, but if you like Chubais's dogmas and the very personality of this creature, then you should not declare this loudly - the majority will not agree with you thinking people who still have honor and conscience at the forefront - i.e. qualities with which the designated creature is not endowed in any way. Well, where the opinion comes from, it doesn't matter at all, because you seem to be voicing yours from Russia, but judging by the estimates, many people don't like it very much.
  9. +1
    5 July 2021 16: 27
    Quote: rocket757
    The question is, what to say then?

    I think that the time for conversations has long come to a logical conclusion, something needs to be done. wink
    1. -1
      5 July 2021 18: 21
      Okay, I even agree .... What to do?
  10. +5
    5 July 2021 16: 32
    Quote: tasha
    Pavel, I don't put any minuses, but I have to write to you. If a person deliberately distorts words ("liberalism and crap .."), then at least he poorly understands their meaning ..

    And I gave Pavel a plus, he gave a definition of the meaning of these words, with which our liberals and crap in power marked them, and I think that you must agree that Liberalism and Democracy have nothing to do with our country today, alas! No.
  11. +3
    5 July 2021 16: 38
    It is not profitable in Russia to talk about the successes of the Communist Party of China

    In Maoist China, they also did not talk about the successes of the USSR. In the PRC, fierce anti-Soviet propaganda was conducted and it was not so long ago! Nowadays, they also have not forgotten about the "lost northern territories", although they do not advertise in the open, wait for the time to come ...
    1. +6
      5 July 2021 17: 17
      Quote: pytar

      In Maoist China, they also did not talk about the successes of the USSR. In the PRC, fierce anti-Soviet propaganda was conducted and it was not so long ago!

      Don't forget about Khrushchev's quarrel with Mao. While I.V. Stalin did not have any anti-Sovietism. And to this day there are portraits of I.V. Stalin is respected, in contrast to the Russian Federation, where they are afraid to hang his portrait during the parade
      1. -1
        6 July 2021 11: 13
        Don't forget about Khrushchev's quarrel with Mao.

        There were ideological controversies, they continued under Brezhnev, and even until the end of the 80s. Deng Xiao Ping, for example, was an ardent anti-Soviet. I remember at that time I was listening in Russian. radio Beijing. Ego was jammed, but it was possible to listen. Beijing's anti-Soviet propaganda was more violent than Western propaganda.
        Under Mao, the CCP pursued a nationalist policy under the guise of ideological disputes with the USSR. China had claims almost for the whole of Siberia. Shas them opportunistically removed from the public space, but they are there and are waiting for their moment. For example, there is a museum on Damansky, where the Chinese version of events is shown. The citizens of the Russian Federation are not allowed there, but other tourists without problems.

        While I.V. Stalin did not have any anti-Sovietism. And to this day there are portraits of I.V. Stalin is respected ...

        Modern China has nothing to do with Maoism or Stalinism. Chinese mentality, their perception of the world, pragmatic, they often combine opposite things. It doesn't mean anything. For KKP ideology, portraits have decorative functions.

        I suspect that in the upcoming Pax China, there will be little joy for Russia ... I do not exclude the emergence of a new "anti-Hitler" / anti-Chinese / coalition between the Russian Federation, the United States and other countries, after some time. Interests are changing ... the threat is changing ... Some are getting stronger, others are getting weaker.
    2. +4
      5 July 2021 17: 52
      And they did the right thing. For under Khrushchev, there was an open betrayal and perversion of socialism in its true, Stalinist version.
      1. 0
        7 July 2021 11: 40
        And they did the right thing. For under Khrushchev, there was an open betrayal and perversion of socialism in its true, Stalinist version.

        Ideological differences were just a pretext. After all, the apparent absolute ideological incompatibility did not prevent the PRC from actively helping the Afghan mujahideen! Both under Mao and now, in China, the determining factor is NATIONALISM, the desire to achieve world domination! As Day Xiao Ping said - It doesn't matter what color the cat is, as long as it catches mice!
  12. 0
    5 July 2021 16: 38
    Quote: Lesovik
    Or do you often hear about the "Chubais dogma" in the media? I, for example, do not hear at all.
    Interestingly, do you often see an opinion in today's media that is similar to the opinion of the thinking majority? Anyway, where
    Have you seen private media that publish their thoughts instead of publishing requirements for them, the media, the owners? smile
  13. +3
    5 July 2021 16: 40
    Today's Marxists and emo-communists parasitize on the successes of the USSR, pulling out various positive changes from different stages of the socialist past .. The CCP also went through a bunch of stages and now the construction of communism is not in the plans at all, so the name is just a name. With the same success it could be called some kind of "Celestial Empire" with a partially planned economy. In general, the successes of China are largely not their merit, but the stake on them at the time of the West and the transfer of production there and the investment of huge funds in them. They just were able to get the most out of it.
    1. -1
      5 July 2021 16: 54
      Well written. But it all started much earlier.
      https://rusplt.ru/society/kak-stalin-v-kitay-investiroval-13386.html
      1. +1
        5 July 2021 17: 16
        Yes, I do not argue. China has always been very adept at using its demographic and geographic resource to obtain funds and technology. Everyone pays attention to their penchant for copying, but it is not out of the blue. First, he invested the technologies of the USSR, building them a military-industrial complex and mechanical engineering, then the West. It would be strange if they did not try to go through the evolutionary path on this basis, not paying attention to the "mother".
  14. +1
    5 July 2021 16: 41
    Let's put it differently, if there were other parties in China instead of the Communist Party, for example, United China or Fair China or Liberal Democratic China or something else, the result of their development would be as successful as it is now.
    It's not about the name of the party, they all stand for everything good and against everything bad. It's all about the so-called political elites ... Well, we are not lucky, even if you crack. A feudal-clan power vertical was built, with all the ensuing consequences. And different parties are just to demonstrate supposedly democracy to our partners ...
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  16. +3
    5 July 2021 16: 43
    Enviable!
    At least someone from the country's leadership, especially the former KPSS members, is ashamed of the fact that in 1991 they went the wrong way.
    It's disgusting to talk about the clowns-imitators of the gop-position from the "KPRF" and sh, they would disperse in a good way and not disgrace the name.
  17. +1
    5 July 2021 16: 52
    Not quite in the subject, but I recommend reading the slightly controversial, but very informative material by Alexei Volyntsi "How Stalin invested in China" ...
    https://rusplt.ru/society/kak-stalin-v-kitay-investiroval-13386.html
  18. +5
    5 July 2021 16: 55
    Quote: tasha
    Vladimir, the successes of China. They are built on completely different economic principles, different from the times of the USSR.
    Do you know about pensions in China? Or about the taxation system?

    What are the completely different economic principles?
    1. In the PRC and in the USSR, all political power belongs to the Communist Party, which leads society in the interests of a huge multitude of people. When in the USSR the Communist Party went over to the side of foreign capital, it very quickly lost power. In China, the party did not do this and did not lose power.
    2. Both the PRC and the USSR used economic ties with capitalist countries when it was more convenient for a country and a multitude of people. In China, this is a "reform" since 1978, and in the USSR Lend-Lease during the Second World War.
    3. Both in the USSR and in the PRC, the basic economic law of a socialist, not a capitalist society, is in effect (acted).
    4. And in the USSR beat and in the PRC there is a socialist planning-market economy.
    1. 0
      5 July 2021 17: 23
      Quote: Kostadinov
      What are the completely different economic principles?

      What are the principles there? Do you recognize the flag?
      1. 0
        5 July 2021 17: 47
        Yuri Vasilyevich, what are you doing?
        I have personally been to China twice ... Private factory. Sheds made of FBS, there are machines. Heating? Lighting according to our standards? Fire safety?
        Deductions for PF employees? - 0 In Medstrakh? - 0. Yes, by the standards of 2013 a worker's salary is 50000 rubles. But there are no (!) Social guarantees. None ... Sick? - your problems ... Pensions are only from officials, the military and workers of state factories ..
        If you knew how much money I gave to the state in the form of taxes and fees ... How many jobs I would create and what would I produce. Choose - or-or ...
        1. +3
          5 July 2021 19: 27
          Quote: tasha
          But there are no (!) Social guarantees. None.

          Well, about like half of the population of the Russian Federation. Last year, the ambulance drove to a neighbor for almost a day. Arriving, I made a diagnosis. Some kind of colic. The result was appendicitis. Barely, almost turned into peritonitis. True, to social guarantees, the final diagnosis is no sideways. For he paid from his own pocket. Yes The action took place not in a remote taiga, but 50 km from Red Square. Such guarantees are in the ass. Especially considering that they somehow guarantee it. But the contributions for this guarantee are withdrawn regularly. Yes
          Quote: tasha
          Pensions only for officials, military personnel and workers of state factories ..

          My husband has records in labor ... From the age of 16. The biggest break is probably 2 months. But God forbid they will take into account a quarter. For most of the jobs and memories are gone. Although contributions to the PF were fought all the time. Mercilessly. So what are you talking about pensions in China?
          Quote: tasha
          If you knew how much money I gave to the state in the form of taxes and fees ...

          I won't tell you. But I know for myself. Well, plus or minus a penny. And in the grave I saw such a "social" state. For the calculation "in fact" would obviously turn out cheaper than our supposedly free sociality. Well, for me personally, so for sure.
      2. -2
        5 July 2021 18: 44
        If the flags decided something .. And have you heard about the internal party struggle in China? About the Chinese "Komsomols"? About the struggle between London and American capital within the CCP?
  19. 0
    5 July 2021 18: 39
    Quote: rocket757
    Okay, I even agree .... What to do?

    Well, in the near future there is only one event that can at least change something, this is the autumn elections to the Duma. I think we just need to go for them, at least once in the last 30 years. wink Although I really do not want to, but I want to say, as always: "What the hell to go there, still nothing depends on us!" Otherwise, there is no way - somehow completely reluctant to go to the revolution, even despite the fact that the current government will definitely not give it up, but we must leave them as few opportunities for manipulation as possible! smile
  20. -3
    5 July 2021 18: 42
    The article is, of course, good, but there are nuances. At the same time, I would like to clarify how many billionaires and millionaires are there in communist China?
  21. 0
    6 July 2021 08: 08
    And under which Communist Party successes were achieved in Japan, the South Caucasus and Taiwan?
  22. -1
    6 July 2021 11: 02
    I can’t understand our Sinophiles, especially those with "pseudo-patriotic" stuffing. A country with 10 times more employees than ours has hardly surpassed our "dying" economy 6 times. This is mainly for imported raw materials, which means that there is no huge segment of an unprofitable economic component in the form of mining, which requires huge and constant investments. The PRC leadership recently "defeated" poverty, incredibly strengthening the spirit of Comrade Xi's supporters. If our GDP used the same criteria as the Chinese ... then better not. 416 bucks a year. This is a little less than twice the size of the World Bank. Why not fight like that? I'm not even talking about cubic kilometers of investments and technologies imported into the PRC since 1990 for the sake of exploiting the Chinese (under the strict guidance of the CPC, naturally). and demographic.
    1. -4
      6 July 2021 19: 55
      And still it would be worth sending those who admire China's successes to live in the Chinese province the life of an average Chinese with his salary, pension, social security, work for wear and so on. Look what they would then sing.
      1. 0
        7 July 2021 15: 17
        I am not discussing this at all. Here our hinterland seems to some to be a different planet.
  23. +1
    6 July 2021 19: 38
    China did what the USSR had to do. But the "elite" of the CPSU with agents of CIA influence, supported by the top of the party and the bureaucracy. who really wanted to grab everything, which they did, the state property chose this path. Now we are reaping the "fruits" of all these "accelerations," "restructuring," "capitalism with a human face." Some yachts, like an ocean liner, others are looking for a ruble to pay for a bottle of kefir and a loaf of bread. Yes, officials advise switching to macaroshki. This is how it ended
    1. -4
      6 July 2021 20: 08
      Some yachts, like an ocean liner, others are looking for a ruble to pay for a bottle of kefir and a loaf of bread. Yes, officials advise switching to macaroshki. This is how it ended

      So that's where the dog is buried. Was the whole question about money? The greedy bums got nothing, and now they whine about "social justice"? laughing
  24. 0
    7 July 2021 10: 57
    the well-known dogma of Chubais that the closure of factories can and "should" be carried out not even for the sake of economic benefit, but as a "nail in the lid of the coffin of communism"

    And where did this "dogma" come from and who proclaimed this phrase "dogma"?

    Now about the closure of factories. The fact is that one of the elements of Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms, which made the Chinese economy what it is now, was limiting military spending to an economically viable level. This policy persists even now - China's military spending does not exceed 2-2,5 percent of China's gross domestic product.
    As part of this policy, some of the military factories were closed. From them they "borrowed" technically competent specialists and workers for the opening factories for the production of goods for the consumer market.
    Ustinov's policy aimed at "maintaining the load of military enterprises no matter what", in which the economy was drowning under the weight of exorbitant (and often unnecessary to the point of absurdity) military spending, and the share of military and dual-use products in some years reached 60 (sixty) percent of all engineering products in China after the start of Deng Xiaoping's reforms was simply impossible ...