Another red line has been passed. Then just drown

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Source: The US National Archives

The press all over the world is abuzz about another incident at sea. This time in the Black Sea. British Royal destroyer fleet "Defender" actually violated the Russian border and entered our territorial waters for 3 kilometers, while not responding to warnings from coast guard boats about border violations. The captain's insolent actions were directly aimed at provoking Russia.

Describe the actions of the destroyer commander, the Russian coast guard, aviation I will not go to the Black Sea Fleet. Much has been written about this today, and everyone will be able to follow the incident literally minute by minute. But it is necessary to recall the events that took place a little earlier.



Let's remember the end of November last year.

Experts remember the events in the Peter the Great Gulf. It was then that another ship, the American destroyer John McCain, sank 2 kilometers into our waters and left them only after being warned of a ram from the Admiral Vinogradov. Then it was not possible to use aerial bombs. The Americans fled heroically. But the sediment remained. As well as the understanding that such provocations will be repeated.

We often read about intercepts of aircraft in neutral skies, about meetings, quite unfriendly, our and American ships in various parts of the oceans, about clashes between our military and the Americans in Syria ... Somehow, incomprehensibly, the matter has not yet come to direct fire contact. In particular, after a warning bombardment, in case of failure to comply with the instructions to leave the territorial waters, the ship must be destroyed.

It seems to me that when planning the operation, the British made one, but a very important mistake. They did not take into account that the Russians are acting outside the box, and the operations of our units are never carried out according to the same algorithm as the previous ones. Purely theoretically, I will assume that the NATO ship was being prepared for the next ram. And it was then that the special forces of Britain, the United States and Ukraine should have come into play. They were on board. The bombing was an "unexpected surprise."

Ukraine is just a sacrificial lamb


The West wants to torment Russia, but does not want to send its people to the slaughter. And it is here that our neighboring reckless neighbor emerges. Ukrainian society has been brought to the point where, without flinching, it will accept the coffins of its soldiers or sailors who died in a skirmish with the Russian army or navy.

Talking about the British destroyer, we somehow forget about the events that happened literally the day before.

On the solemn reception of the destroyer in Odessa and, most importantly, on the contracts that were concluded on board this ship. On another loan for the Navy, on the sale of ships written off by the British Navy and on the construction of new boats at British shipyards.

We have already written about the economic feasibility of this project more than once. The fact that Ukrainians will not really see a loan, too. But why the decommissioned minesweepers to Ukrainian sailors are not yet available. After all, these ships will not really strengthen the fleet. Plastic mine detectors capable of destroying mines using guided search vehicles.

Here they can be the perfect irritant for the Russians. It is clear that Russia, Russian sailors and border guards, will not be afraid to carry out the order and sink any intruder. The seizure of Ukrainian boats was misunderstood by the opposing side. The warning of Russian sailors in the Peter the Great Gulf was also misunderstood.

The West perceived these gestures of goodwill as weakness, inability to respond adequately, and, possibly, as cowardice. The planned provocation was to prove just that.

By the way, the question of planned provocation will certainly arise. To which I have a counter-question. Dear sailors and military personnel - maritime border guards, did you have a lot of journalists on your ships dangling around idle during the campaigns?

On the one hand, nothing serious seems to have happened. Nobody was injured, equipment and weapons, too. A version for ordinary people about the navigator's mistake when plotting a course has been proposed. But for the naval headquarters of NATO countries, for the United States, for Russia, for China, the time has come for reflection.

Crossed red line followed by war.

And it doesn't matter who will go to the next provocation. The time for persuasion is over. It's time for action.

Again, NATO will not send its sailors or pilots into battle with Russia. But today the overwhelming majority of conscripts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Navy are entering the army with the confidence that if they have to fight with someone, it will be Russian Ivan. Alas, this is exactly the case.

I have already written about the complete reformatting of Ukrainian society. And the Ukrainian soldiers will go to the provocation in full confidence in their righteousness. And they will die honestly, according to Slavic customs.

Should we expect to continue


This is probably the main question today. I have already partially answered it.

Operations of this kind will now be developed much more subtly, involving not only warships, but also civilian ships. Simply put, no one else will go into the forehead. Except for the "defenders of a democratic Europe", perhaps.

Moreover, provocations should become larger, which means that several countries should take part in them at once. And this can be organized without arousing the legitimate interest of the enemy's intelligence, while preparing and conducting various exercises. The link to the navigator's error, which did not go through today, during the exercise can be perfectly used in these cases. The navigator was mistaken, the driver missed a turn, the platoon commander was incorrectly attached to the terrain, etc.

And here I have to return to Ukraine again.

More precisely, to the new concept of the development of the Ukrainian Navy. The Strategy 2035 program, adopted several years ago, was changed in May this year. What the Commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Rear Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa, told about:

“The Navy is to be modernized by 2025. The main rival and potential enemy of the Ukrainian Navy at sea is Russia and its Black Sea Fleet. The Ukrainian fleet is now faced with the task of resuming operations in the near sea zone in the medium term, that is, at a distance of 200 nautical miles from the coast (360 kilometers). "

"Ukraine is going to achieve a continuous presence at sea," to ensure national interests. " Ukraine will not seek parity in armaments with Russia, but will act on an asymmetric principle: defense from the sea will rely on coastal missile systems and small ships and boats at sea, as well as assistance from the country's air force. "

But since God did not give horns to the vigorous cow, one should not expect provocations in the Black Sea in the near future.

Plans to build British bases for the Royal Navy on the Black and Azov Seas look much more serious. In Ochakov, where the Americans built a command center, they will now build a full-fledged naval base. The base in Berdyansk is not so interesting, but it will also divert some forces and resources from our border guards and the Navy.

Brief conclusions about the aggravation of relations in the region


The possibility of incidents on land and at sea lies in the fact that there are no legally formalized agreements on borders and zones of influence between us and NATO. Changes in the world have led to the emergence of a lot of places with an uncertain status. This applies to a fairly large number of states.

The islands built in the South China Sea, and therefore all the privileges of the state-owner of the island defined by the law of the sea, are not recognized by the United States and Japan. Crimea is not recognized by NATO and Ukraine, etc. It will be difficult to legally prove something in the event of a conflict. And given that we play by their rules in international courts, we must be ready to resolve issues in fact. On the spot. And then you can pull the rubber in the courts.

It seems to me that the tension in relations with the West will drag on for a long time. As the meeting of the presidents showed, or rather how it was interpreted in the United States and the leading European media, the global West will not just give up world domination. Our hopes that China would bear the brunt of the blow did not materialize. They hit us mainly. It is Moscow, in the opinion of the Americans, that should stop supporting Beijing and go over to Washington's side.

This is what we are now being actively shown with all these provocations, diplomatic demarches, the emergence of various insolent claims and other unfriendly actions. Simply put, they want to intimidate us again, to take on weakly, if you like.
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  1. +13
    25 June 2021 04: 38
    Well, if the bulk was predictable, the warning fire in general was the same, then 4 x 250, but not a gram of vodka, but OFAB kilograms turned out to be an overkill for the residents. An excellent solution, as for me!

    And the Ukrainian soldiers will go to the provocation in full confidence in their righteousness. And they will die honestly, according to Slavic customs.
    The author thinks too highly of the ukrovoykh.

    The photo shows a Sheffield type EM.
    1. +25
      25 June 2021 05: 08
      The sinking of the EM would probably be an overkill in this situation, but its damage and subsequent capture with escort to our naval base would be such a blow to the Naglo-Saxons that they would then strongly scratch their heads. It is a pity that our fleet is not the same as in the USSR, it would be possible to arrange a similar demarche near the Malvin (Falkland) Islands. Yes, with Argentina, transfer negotiations on the sale (or simply donate) a squadron of the same Su-24M with a batch of UABs and anti-ship missiles. And right now, declare the non-recognition of Londan's sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands and Gibraltar.
      How would then an Englishwoman assured!
      1. -1
        25 June 2021 05: 48
        Quote: Hammer
        Drowning EM would probably be a kink in this situation,

        it is not necessary, you just need to design the ship resistant to bulk ramming, and then build honest eyes in the media and say the sacramental "we are not to blame, we are, he himself is drowned" the main thing is to put a girl dressed as a famous actress from a diamond hand laughing
        https://ndn.info/images/dimensions/xl/ab8dd79bff32460e5cde31d6a3cd2138_XL.jpg
        1. +2
          25 June 2021 05: 51
          The icebreaker of the Northern Fleet is just suitable for bulk and ramming.
          1. +10
            25 June 2021 06: 03
            Will an icebreaker give out 30 knots?
        2. +3
          25 June 2021 12: 38
          Well, let's put the design of ships capable of ramming started a long time ago. It remains to remember and implement on a new level the old tradition

          Well, or the cruiser "Aurora" is the same to remember.
          1. +7
            25 June 2021 18: 23
            Why not use an electromagnetic pulse? Burn out all the electronics of this ship. Communication, navigation, radar, etc. The ship seems to be intact, but the combat capability will be lost.
            It was reported that a similar weapon was tested in the early 10s with a range of 3,5 km. - "Alabuga", in my opinion, - blew up at a height of several hundred meters. The United States experienced something similar in Iraq. And no ramming is needed. Well, maybe some fireman will break out over a part of the avionics. hi
            1. +1
              25 June 2021 23: 29
              Quote: DenZ
              Well, let's put the design of ships capable of ramming started a long time ago.

              I actually didn’t mean such nonsense from the picture, I didn’t write "battering ram" but "bulk battering ram", that is, if now the ships are either generally unsuitable for bulk, or are suitable for its "soft form", then I meant to make the sides high -strong, with external easily replaceable elements, with a changed shape of the cabin, etc. changes aimed at minimizing damage (to yourself) with a tougher bulk ...
            2. +2
              25 June 2021 23: 35
              Quote: Kasym
              Why not use an electromagnetic pulse?

              from a legal point of view, this is an attack and not an emergency at sea
              in general, there are only two adequate actions for such provocations
              1) bulk ramming - and further "accident at sea"
              2) non-lethal weapons, well, for example, making it impossible to move due to damage to the propellers (to break the propeller by analogy with car wheels), or allowing forcibly clinging and towing the offender
              1. +1
                27 June 2021 01: 38
                Sergei, then one moment. And what about the legal entity. point of view with the bombing of OFAB-250? Is this an attack or what?
                You can cheat - the simultaneous dropping of AB and bombs with EMP at a distance of 2-3 km. from the ship. Let them prove that it was not a short circuit or some other emergency on the ship. hi
                1. 0
                  27 June 2021 02: 21
                  Well, if the enemy was harmed, then the attack, then you need to fit under the "accident" and "safety violation", well, for example, refer to the corroded OFAB mount.
                  In any case, in the modern world, all this is nothing more than "measuring pipisek" and bragging about one's own personal security, and many military men and politicians are ill with this.
                  1. 0
                    28 June 2021 17: 23
                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    Well, if the enemy was harmed, then the attack, then you need to fit under the "accident" and "safety violation"

                    And what if the sea border in disputable places is "loaded" with sea mines similar in appearance to the mines of the Great Patriotic War, on bottom anchors with remote control?
                    Such a western military "truth-bearer" has come "- Ukrainian Crimea" and does not want to leave, but then "flyers" come up and then let him turn around!
                    1. 0
                      29 June 2021 21: 55
                      Well, what's the point? it is possible to measure CSV without mines, but as our mines will float up and in another place they will begin to float, neither we nor they need this gemmorrhage, it's like
                      Two cowboys are galloping along the path. One says to another:
                      - Joe, I keep a couple of hundred dollars that you won't eat my shit.
                      - Eat, - he answers.
                      They argued. Joe ate, Bill had to shell out a hundred dollars.
                      They gallop on. Joe felt hurt for himself and says:
                      - Bill, I keep a couple of hundred dollars, That you won't eat my shit.
                      - Take off.
                      They argued. Bill ate, Joe laid out a hundred dollars.
                      They jump on. Suddenly Bill says:
                      - Joe, it seems to me that you and I ate shit for free.
      2. +24
        25 June 2021 05: 56
        Quote: Hammer
        And right now to announce not?recognition of Lond's sovereigntyаover the Malvinas Islandsаyou

        Sovereignty is worth something only when there is the means and the determination to defend it. The Englishwoman demonstrated this in 1980 under the Falklands. And the country 404 loved this sovereignty over Crimea on the Maidans.
        PS Don't you think it's ridiculous that I am from America pointing out mistakes in Russian spelling?
      3. +2
        25 June 2021 06: 14
        This is when the Soviet fleet did this ???
        1. +7
          25 June 2021 06: 25
          Quote: carstorm 11
          This is when the Soviet fleet did this ???

          1988 if you mean displacement
          1. +4
            25 June 2021 06: 29
            I'm talking about escorting to the naval base.
          2. +6
            25 June 2021 16: 31
            What is the essence? As soon as this ship entered the Black Sea, it had to be taken under escort, which was not done by our Navy, why? Incompetence ?, negligence? Or a fear of making a decision? And the Air Force did their job perfectly well, the Navy, unfortunately, showed solidarity with our football team, alas. Has anyone seen this shooting at Defender's course? This is laughter, and only, the gun is raised up and the distance is like cancer to China, did the British at least see this fire along the course? Laughter and tears.
            1. -9
              25 June 2021 17: 07
              > the gun is raised up and the distance is the same as for China with cancer
              The words of a man who has no idea about naval combat.
              1. The barrel is raised upward due to the fact that the projectile flies along a ballistic trajectory.
              2. If, in principle, you see a ship - it is close, then the distance that is shown on the camera is generally almost point-blank.
              For good reasons, the ships fire at each other from beyond the boundaries of visibility, hiding behind the horizon, focusing on the reconnaissance aircraft / balloon / drone or other systems.
              1. +1
                25 June 2021 20: 49
                Yes, yes. From 30 millimeters beyond the limits of visibility ..))
            2. +1
              25 June 2021 17: 32
              And who saw the bomb, there is a vidos.
              1. +3
                25 June 2021 19: 58
                bomb throwing who saw-

                Nobody has seen such a bomb. laughing
              2. KLV
                0
                30 June 2021 15: 59
                There is - put it out! Why boast?
            3. -1
              25 June 2021 22: 38
              totally agree. Ridiculous shooting with the fear of shooting at all. Shame. English, like Mutko's. What do they teach in military schools ??? The British looked better than us. How is it? About bombing is generally a lie. Shame and nothing more. What are impotent in the Kremlin, so on the waters.
              1. +7
                26 June 2021 21: 38
                In fact, they were not obliged to speak with an Oxford accent, the main thing is that the officer clearly and correctly pronounced the memorized phrases from the phrasebook !!! The rest is the problems of the English crew ...
      4. +24
        25 June 2021 07: 37
        Quote: Hammer
        The sinking of the EM would probably be an overkill in this situation, but its damage and subsequent capture with escort to our naval base would be such a blow to the Naglo-Saxons that they would then strongly scratch their heads.

        And now let's talk about it. 1. The British, judging by their comments, were waiting for the boarding and even wanted to seize our PSKR with the help of the landing force including ukrovoyak. 2 It is much more seriously armed than our border boats. as well as PLO, they also pose a rather serious threat to our old SU-3s, even under the condition of our electronic warfare countermeasures. 24. At a speed of 4 knots versus 30 in ours, he also had an advantage, and therefore began to break away very quickly. To provocation. We calculated options for breaking through the border so as to get as little trouble as possible. Of course you can't foresee everything, but a week ago there were already flashed in the media options for NATO exercises with a passage through our territorial waters. Most likely our leadership did not expect that the British would act so brazen and shameless, although the interception algorithm still worked even before the destroyer left our waters, which pleases. The solution of its optics did not give a complete picture of what was happening. It was necessary to strengthen the border even more, up to the barrage of minefields in the most dangerous directions, the advancement of coastal missile systems to such areas, and higher rank ships were needed for such situations. The news flashed about the transfer of anti-submarine aircraft TU-21 closer to the Black Sea after this incident, which gives hope for understanding the seriousness of the situation and these are only the first steps. ...
        1. +2
          26 June 2021 15: 28
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          . With restraint, competently, politely

          I wish there would be no next time! But in fact: they must be drowned! Only then will they understand!
      5. D16
        +12
        25 June 2021 07: 56
        but its damage and subsequent capture with escort to our naval base

        According to the law of the sea, such actions in relation to a ship of a foreign navy are tantamount to a declaration of war. In the incident with Ukrainian boats, we were formally wrong. But they discouraged the continuation of such provocations on the part of 404. And if this story was unanimously scored, due to the insignificance of the injured side and its own statements about the ongoing war, then such an incident will not work with Britain. The influence of Baba Lisa in the world is still very great. Therefore, only displacement by the board with something more solid. smile And you are absolutely right about the Falklands. Only first you need to ask the Argentines if they want to aggravate relations with Britain.
        1. +6
          25 June 2021 09: 12
          What do we care about the influence of a British grandmother? This does not concern us at all. What twitched in fear of "backbreaking work" was not acquired by "our elite" and the safety of the children living there, and this has nothing to do with the inviolability of the borders of the state and the citizens of Russia.
          She, the old woman, will declare war on us, if we send them to feed the tulka, their insolent steamer? Well, you are welcome, let them stock up on diapers with their fellow masons and dive into the bunker.
          1. D16
            +1
            25 June 2021 18: 35
            What do we care about the influence of a British grandmother?

            It’s too early to put Baba Lisa down. Next time you will have to take the steamer into a fork from the shore and demand to stop. After that, the oldest and dirtiest harbor tugs push him out of the 12 mile zone. Naturally, with the spread of this on you-tube live.
        2. +1
          25 June 2021 15: 00
          The most important thing is that the children and grandmothers of the elite are all in the same London. How can they do it.? After all, they will take everything away and kicked out.
          1. D16
            -2
            25 June 2021 18: 37
            children and grandmothers at the elite are all in the same London. How can they do it.? After all, they will take everything away and kicked out.

            Children will be taken away too? laughing
        3. +6
          25 June 2021 17: 16
          Quote: D16
          According to the law of the sea, such actions in relation to a ship of a foreign navy are tantamount to a declaration of war.

          You would have informed that in this case, the law of the sea, well, "recommends", or something. By the meaning, it turns out that according to the law of the sea, we cannot protect our borders? I suppose we should have answered with a salute in response to the impudence? I do not pretend to be, even competent, just explain. In my collective farm opinion, we should have stopped the intruder ship. But since the forces and means were not enough, they let him go. Yes, a warning shot from the AK630. it does not look very effective, but it cannot be noticed ... This installation from that distance could take out the entire CIUS of the destroyer starting from the antenna posts, depriving it of the opportunity to use its weapons altogether, and if it was possible to deprive it of its course, then it could build up its forces to capture arrest) would be a possibility. I repeat, this is not my competent opinion, but what the law of the sea interprets in this incident is really interesting hi
          1. D16
            0
            25 June 2021 19: 02
            Can't we protect our borders?

            We can. But with warships, everything is complicated. In peacetime, they can only be pushed out.
            we had to stop the intruder ship.

            Trader or poacher for heaven's sake.
            Yes, a warning shot from the AK630. does not look very effective, but it is not noticed

            They all noticed. But if you watched the recording of the shooting, you should have noticed that the barrel block was looking twenty degrees to the left, and the shooting distance was long. They understood perfectly well that no one would open fire to kill. Immediately after the shooting, Difender emerged from the territorial waters. The territorial waters at the Diefender course have ended. Well, he could not wind three kilometers in a couple of seconds. lol
            what the law of the sea interprets in this incident is really interesting hi

            A warship is a whole bunch of national secrets, ciphers, secrets and technologies. Arresting and boarding is not a taboo war.
            1. +3
              25 June 2021 19: 23
              I’m trying to find the law of the sea, if you can refer to it, precisely for the legal provision of this situation. I'm not trying to contradict you, I'm just trying to be savvy so as not to talk nonsense. recourse so far plus for the answer.
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          2. D16
            -1
            26 June 2021 06: 53
            what the law of the sea interprets in this incident is really interesting hi

            See "Principle of Immunity of Warships".
        4. 0
          27 June 2021 23: 06
          According to the law of the sea, such actions in relation to a ship of a foreign navy are tantamount to a declaration of war.

          In their territorial waters?
      6. +8
        25 June 2021 10: 10
        Quote: Hammer
        recognition of London's sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands and Gibraltar.

        No questions. To announce is not to roll bags.
        Quote: Hammer
        here is its damage and subsequent capture with escort to our naval base

        Destroyer Type 45 is a very serious vehicle. In its niche, air defense / missile defense is the strongest of the KChF.

        Another thing is that the rationality of the partners' actions is not obvious. Let's say some friend on the guard pelvis walked closer and slashed from the checkpoint or ACS on the golden radar. Can we expect this from the Russian side? Quite. And then what to do?

        The British once knew how to deal with such issues quietly. Apparently, they abandoned the old methods in the fight against colonialism. In vain.
        1. D16
          +1
          26 June 2021 07: 05
          Can we expect this from the Russian side?

          Are you putting Russia on the level of Somalia?
          1. -3
            26 June 2021 12: 07
            Quote: D16
            Are you putting Russia on the level of Somalia?

            No, what are you. Somalia is quite lively. And the same problem of piracy was completely solved, as soon as instead of the UN, people interested in solving it, and not in continuing the banquet, began to solve it.

            Rather, the DPRK can be remembered.
            1. D16
              +2
              26 June 2021 17: 03
              And the same problem of piracy was completely solved, as soon as instead of the UN, people interested in solving it, and not in continuing the banquet, began to solve it.

              Yeah. The richer Jews covered up the business of the poorer Jews lol .
              Rather, the DPRK can be remembered

              And they have something to do with? It seems that they were not marked in piracy. Foreign warships in a state of peace were not gutted.
              1. 0
                26 June 2021 20: 51
                Quote: D16
                Yeah. The richer Jews covered up the business

                The UAE worked there, EMNIP.
                Quote: D16
                It seems that they were not marked in piracy

                Google.
      7. +5
        25 June 2021 11: 12
        ... but its damage and subsequent capture with escort to our naval base ...


        How do you imagine that? If possible in more detail.
        1. +2
          25 June 2021 14: 40
          How, ask the Iranians))
          1. +2
            25 June 2021 15: 01
            About it?
            The Iranian Navy has lost one of its largest ships - the support vessel Kharg sank near the port of Jask after a fire that lasted 20 hours.

            Or about that?
            halturnerradioshow.com: On Sunday, May 10, 2020, the Iranian Navy accidentally shelled and sank one of its warships. According to initial reports, an Iranian Moudge-class frigate fired at an Iranian naval vessel called Konarak in the Yask area.
            1. +5
              26 June 2021 12: 09
              Quote: Sea Cat
              About it?

              There was a case when the KMP boat managed to get lost during a coastal crossing and ended up on the wrong shore of the Persian Gulf. A stupid story, shameful for Americans. For such navigation, children are kicked out of sailing clubs.
      8. -6
        25 June 2021 13: 07
        x-and you are sitting on the couch on your ass, go take prisoners without you in any way the eagles, sit on your ass at an ovskom computer, and let the guys there take the risk, go couch warriors into the army and show everyone an example if you don’t crap
      9. +14
        25 June 2021 13: 33
        Drowning EM would probably be a kink in this situation.

        The problem is that war cannot be avoided, there is too much arsenal on either side.
        As Comrade Stalin said - "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."
        So, to prevent war, it is not necessary to destroy the Americans or the British there to zero. It is enough to destroy the first hundred of the richest usurers in the world.
        Do you understand? On one side of the scales, the 100 richest usurers in the world, and on the other side, up to 6 billion. ordinary people who will die in the war.
        Here's the truth of life.
      10. +3
        25 June 2021 13: 52
        well, the USSR also did not dare to open fire on the American cruiser, the patrolman had to just "butt"
      11. 0
        25 June 2021 14: 41
        Hammer, Today, 05:08, NEW - "... The sinking of the EM would probably be an overkill in this situation, but its damage and subsequent capture with escort to our naval base - it would be such a blow to the Naglo-Saxons that they would then strongly scratch their heads ..."

        Best possible options would be, EMR option(as after YAO), but only on impact, but without nuclear weapons.( Thought is NOT mine, the author is RESPECT hi ). Ba-ba-hee, this is too much for now, а Here is such a LONGER !!!!
        Expected Result bully
        1. Naglasax would be in Britain's newest "trough"(everything on "Provocateur" is at "0" and only "curve starter" is available), belay
        2. Their insolence (commands from commanders, later brave participants in NATO maneuvers) would turn into a "persistent" desire be at home accompanied by an abundance of impudence secretions with an accompanying "aroma sad ".
        3. Representative of our Black Sea Fleet, "in partnership, I would suggest towing THEM to the nearest port (ie, in the Russian Federation - Crimea). But, it is not necessary to insist. Perhaps, out of the remnants of pride, the Naglo-Saxons will decide to swim to neutral waters on "oars". Whatever more they and other "partners" do not confuse WHERE is the border of the Russian Federation -provide musical accompaniment - "Rule Britain!" - a patriotic song of Great Britain, based on a poem by James Thomson to music by Thomas Arn in 1740... You can use a quadcopter, Subsequently, send an invoice to the British Admiralty for the service with the posting of a photo of the invoice on the websites of the RF Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the RF Ministry of Defense (RF Black Sea Fleet). Nothing personal, we have a high service "service" for the first rover love
        So that others would not "rush" to tow them and in the future, install buoys with "removal" of parameters who "goes" into our waters (once NATO established analogues along the proposed route of our submarines - the USSR period. It didn't help much as a partner ...) и with the "notification" of those who did not pass the "control" (type, performance characteristics, etc.) "partners" that "now, how it will hurt." lol In the option, now the sound signal is on the back of the car. It's time to establish a network-centric control system at the "fence" (border), this is so for the current .... do not run. And so - a satellite, a security system with auto-warning and ... depending on the level of danger (arrogance) "our TOTAL -gym hello " soldier . Metal, mind you, as compensation for the "services" rendered. We are also for cleanliness and ecology wink
      12. -4
        25 June 2021 22: 05
        We have a suspicion, my dear man, that Alexander Starver and Roman Skomorokhov are one and the same person
    2. +6
      25 June 2021 07: 31
      The photo shows a Sheffield type EM.

      In the photo there is an EM Type 42.
      1. +4
        25 June 2021 08: 30
        Quote: Undecim
        In the photo there is an EM Type 42.
        What does not prevent the type 42 EM from being a Sheffield type EM.
        1. +3
          25 June 2021 11: 09
          And this destroyer is in the Kola Bay, on the northern roadstead behind Mishuki, opposite Belokamenka.
        2. +7
          25 June 2021 11: 37
          Well, to be precise, then The Type 42 or Sheffield class.
      2. +9
        25 June 2021 10: 54
        Specifically, this is HMS Exeter (D89). Photo taken in the Norwegian fjord near the town of Trondheim in 1992 during NATO Exercise Teamwork '92. Photo by PHC Robert K. Hemmerly
    3. +28
      25 June 2021 08: 19
      Ukraine had to be removed from the political map of the world back in 2014, just like Georgia in 2008 ... Now NATO tubs would rub near the Romanian coast and that's it ... Copulation is the main reason for our today's problems!
    4. +8
      25 June 2021 10: 49
      There are no bombs in the video. Precautionary firing of a border boat only

      1. +8
        25 June 2021 12: 52
        )))
        Shooting of the boat "warns" the destroyer URO. Discharge of real Soviet cast-iron free-fall bombs from the Soviet Su-24 in the course of the strongest air defense ship at the moment.

        Yes, they performed powerfully.
        1. -2
          25 June 2021 13: 23
          Shooting of the boat "warns" the destroyer URO.

          At such a distance, and sudden fire from the AK-630 could inflict irreparable damage on the destroyer. Let me remind the AK-630 of my 3
          It will fire 30mm shells in 30 seconds at a destroyer that has no armor at all (15mm is not armor).
          1. +5
            25 June 2021 13: 38
            Quote: lucul
            Let me remind the AK-630 of my 3
            It will fire 30mm shells in 30 seconds at a destroyer that has no armor at all (15mm is not armor).

            The expert can be seen a mile away! It will not release 3000 shells in 30 seconds, the mechanism, due to overheating, will jam very quickly from an attempt at such a queue, and overheating of the barrels will lead to the fact that the shells will start, they spit the barrels.
            Above you, the whole forum was laughing in the subject where you and the MiG-31 "Daggers" drowned aircraft carriers, then you even had no idea about the radio horizon. Time has passed but the level of "Expertise" has not changed laughing
            Go to the topic of Ukraine, at least there you will not be dishonored! Although, some even like to be disgraced ...
            1. +5
              25 June 2021 13: 57
              Quote: KKND
              Go to the topic of Ukraine, at least there you will not be dishonored!

              In terms of topics about Ukraine, you can carry any nonsense and still pass for a smart one?
              1. +7
                25 June 2021 14: 01
                Quote: Liam
                In terms of topics about Ukraine, you can carry any nonsense and still pass for a smart one?

                Yes, in these topics such an audience hangs out that nonsense among them is quite normal.
                1. -8
                  25 June 2021 20: 57
                  This pkblika has now flooded the entire forum .. War is thirsty - right now they are ready to go to war ..
                  1. +2
                    26 June 2021 09: 07
                    The war between the Russian Federation and NATO will end in complete mutual destruction. They really want to live there, so it cannot exist in principle. Here with a trap, easily. But they are not the same thing.
            2. -2
              25 June 2021 13: 58
              The expert can be seen a mile away!

              From the sect of witnesses Klimov and Timokhin? Understand )))
              It will not release 3000 shells in 30 seconds, the mechanism, due to overheating, will jam very quickly from an attempt at such a queue, and overheating of the barrels will lead to the fact that the shells will start, they spit the barrels.

              At what second? )))
              Above you, the whole forum was laughing in the topic where you and the MiG-31 "Daggers" drowned aircraft carriers,

              Blah blah blah - witnesses of the Klimov sect with Timokhin still believe that an aircraft carrier cannot be found in the ocean, and a submarine is as easy as shelling pears, as your gurus bequeathed)))
              Go to the topic of Ukraine, at least there you will not be dishonored! Although, some even like to be disgraced ...

              So there is something to say on the matter, or do you live in someone else's mind? )))
              1. +2
                25 June 2021 14: 09
                Quote: lucul
                At what second? )))

                It is necessary to look at the instructions for use of the AK-630M. Vika writes that there are 400 shells with a break of 5 seconds. Of course, 3000 shots in one burst is complete nonsense. Or will you argue?
                Quote: lucul
                From the sect of witnesses Klimov and Timokhin? Understand )))

                I am not a member of this sect.
                Quote: lucul
                Blah blah blah - witnesses of the Klimov sect with Timokhin still believe that an aircraft carrier cannot be found in the ocean, and a submarine is as easy as shelling pears, as your gurus bequeathed)))

                I don’t want to oftopit about the Dagger, would you give a link with your pearls and a complete lack of knowledge of the basic materiel and not about some kind of complex systems?
                1. -6
                  25 June 2021 14: 17
                  Vika writes that there are 400 shells with a break of 5 seconds. Of course, 3000 shots in one burst is complete nonsense. Or will you argue?

                  This is to keep it working)))
                  During hostilities, no one will take care of the barrel, they will press the trigger all the way, otherwise you will drown yourself. (as a child needs to explain common truths, honest word)
                  I am not a member of this sect.

                  Come on, an alcoholic also does not admit that he is an alcoholic.
                  I don’t want to oftopit about the Dagger, would you give a link with your pearls and a complete lack of knowledge of the basic materiel and not about some kind of complex systems?

                  (Yawning ...) well, give me links, at least I'll laugh even more from you)))
                  And then Timokhin sharply reduced his articles to write after that discussion, and earlier there was an article every week.
                  1. +7
                    25 June 2021 14: 41
                    Well, you didn't press the trigger (there is a pedal if that). And the break between bursts of 400 shots is made not by the operator / shooter, but by automation. And in battle or at a target to shoot, the automation does not care. And yes, it is overheating protection. You google the AK-630. Everything is written there.
                    1. -7
                      25 June 2021 14: 46
                      You google the AK-630. Everything is written there

                      What's there to google?
                      I said that if the AK-630 opened fire on the destroyer at close range, it would disable the destroyer.
                      You got excited about the encroachment on your masters and began to cling to details.
                      1. +1
                        25 June 2021 14: 51
                        Quote: lucul
                        What's there to google?
                        I said that if the AK-630 opened fire on the destroyer at close range, it would disable the destroyer.

                        No, that's what you said
                        Let me remind the AK-630 of my 3
                        It will fire 30mm shells in 30 seconds at a destroyer that has no armor at all (15mm is not armor).

                        And now you are trying to get off your own delirium.
                      2. -7
                        25 June 2021 14: 53
                        And now you are trying to get off your own delirium.

                        Ie, you have no questions about the defeat of the ship, but there are questions about the rate of fire? )))
                        So we will write down - fiercely defends its masters.
                      3. +3
                        25 June 2021 14: 59
                        Quote: lucul
                        So we will write down - fiercely defends its masters.

                        Well, I'm telling you for the news about Ukraine, you need to, here is your level!
                        Quote: lucul
                        Ie, you have no questions about the defeat of the ship, but there are questions about the rate of fire? )))

                        What do you generally understand in armament and in the defeat of ships from various types of weapons, they wrote the same nonsense, but it's too lazy to point out, almost all messages are from nonsense.
                      4. -2
                        25 June 2021 15: 01
                        What do you generally understand in armament and in the defeat of ships from various types of weapons, they wrote the same nonsense, but it's too lazy to point out, almost all messages are from nonsense.

                        Ek crushes you for the owners)))
                        So the AK-630 can't seriously damage the Defender with a 2km range? Oh expert, huh?
                      5. -2
                        25 June 2021 15: 07
                        Quote: lucul
                        So the AK-630 can't seriously damage the Defender with a 2km range? Oh expert, huh?

                        Quote: lucul
                        At such a distance, and sudden fire from the AK-630 could inflict irreparable damage on the destroyer.

                        That he was irreparable became already serious, he himself already realized that he had written nonsense.
                        Irreparable damage-damage, the consequences of which cannot be corrected physically.
                        The damage from the AK-630 can be physically repaired!
                      6. -2
                        25 June 2021 15: 15
                        Irreparable damage-damage, the consequences of which cannot be corrected physically.


                        INCORRECT, th, th; -vim, -a, -o. One that is difficult, impossible to fix, fix.
                        DIFFICULT - that is, it is impossible to fix it at sea, a shipyard will be required.
                        You protect the owners on a subconscious level directly)))
                        The damage from the AK-630 can be physically repaired!

                        In the sea ? When did he destroy, for example, the radar? )))
                        You're just a wizard)))
                      7. -3
                        25 June 2021 15: 21
                        So the damage will still be serious and not irreparable? The first message received contains 2 lies. About the damage and operation of the AK-630. Or are there other options?
                      8. -1
                        25 June 2021 15: 22
                        So the damage will still be serious and not irreparable?

                        Read the definition of the word irreparable damage)))
                        Your faith in the owners is simply amazing)))
                  2. +1
                    25 June 2021 14: 48
                    Quote: lucul
                    This is to keep it working)))

                    Have you heard anything about the expansion of the barrel due to overheating? And since rifled barrels, it is clear what this leads to?
                    Quote: lucul
                    Come on, an alcoholic also does not admit that he is an alcoholic.

                    You can look for my comments where I criticized them.
                    Quote: lucul
                    (Yawning ...) well, give me links, at least I'll laugh even more from you)))

                    https://topwar.ru/175899-jeffektivnost-pvo-avianosnoj-udarnoj-gruppy-aug-vozmozhen-li-proryv.html
                    Your gorgeous comments are in there.
                    Are there really people so stupid that in an hour and a half they did not understand that if plane A (geometrically) sees plane B, then plane B (geometrically) sees plane A? Only geometrically, since the radars of these aircraft are incomparable?

                    Quote: lucul
                    Take a pen and draw a radio horizon 350 km for Hokai, and a radio horizon for the MiG-31 500 km. And look carefully. And also read about the radar (beam) detection angles.

                    Apparently yes.

                    Gorgeous pearls!
                    1. -6
                      25 June 2021 14: 57
                      Gorgeous pearls!

                      (Yawning ...)
                      Here are the introductory ones - from behind the radio horizon, a DLRO plane and a satellite appeared at the same time - who will see whom before? ))))
                      1. -2
                        25 June 2021 15: 12
                        Quote: lucul
                        Here are the introductory ones - from behind the radio horizon, a DLRO plane and a satellite appeared at the same time - who will see whom before? )))

                        Uh ... if they have the appropriate equipment on them, they will see each other at the same time. What are you talking about?
                      2. -1
                        25 June 2021 15: 19
                        Uh ... if they are equipped with the appropriate equipment, then at the same time they will see each other

                        No, not at the same time, read about the vertical angles of the detection beam, and the geometric dimensions are different.
                      3. -1
                        25 June 2021 15: 32
                        Quote: lucul
                        No, not at the same time, read about the vertical angles of the detection beam, and the geometric dimensions are different.

                        Everything, clown, you tired me. With a beam even with the smallest vertical and horizontal viewing angles, it is possible to mechanically move the reflector to scan the sphere, which, since ancient times, the mechanical movement of reflectors has been performed on the radar. You do not "redeem" simple things, but you continue to argue. Goodbye, such "thinking" patriots like you are "very" necessary for Russia. In an instant, electronics and other sciences will be raised.
                      4. -2
                        25 June 2021 15: 33
                        Everything, clown, you tired me.

                        That is, there is nothing to say - are we going into adjectives? ))))
              2. +5
                25 June 2021 17: 16
                Greetings!

                hi
                Colleagues, by the way, there are clear test data for the AK-630.

                Description of the complex operation on the example of tests (boat pr.205PE):
                1971 August 18 - shooting at the La-17M target, the AK-630 is operating with the MR-123 radar, the target speed is 230 m / s, the flight altitude is 1050 m.The fire is opened at an oblique range to the target of 5062 m at a distance of 3800 m (anticipated meeting point). Three bursts were fired - 32, 39 and 42 shots with intervals of 3 seconds. From an inclined distance of 2220 m, continuous fire was opened (542 rounds). In total, the shooting lasted 17 seconds, the ammunition consumption was 665 rounds. The target was hit and fell into the sea 10 km from the boat.


                According to the test results, it is recommended:


                As a result of the tests, a mode of operation for high-speed air targets was introduced - 4-5 bursts of 20-25 shots from a maximum range with intervals of 3-5 seconds with the transition to continuous fire (400 shots) at a distance of the most effective destruction.


                In total, after 400 shots a break is required, after which continuous fire can be continued. After a burst of 200 shots, there is a break of 1,5-3 seconds. After a burst of 400 shots - at least 5-6 seconds. After every 6 bursts, a longer break is required.

                Therefore, in 30 seconds, it is realistic to fire 6 bursts of 400 shots each, for a total of 2.

                This is enough for the eyes to make the destroyer lose its combat effectiveness.

                Data on the above is publicly available, including on VO.
                1. +1
                  25 June 2021 18: 29
                  Therefore, in 30 seconds, it is realistic to fire 6 bursts of 400 shots each, for a total of 2.

                  This is enough for the eyes to make the destroyer lose its combat effectiveness.

                  Well, the person does not understand.
                  Some people have weirdness, for example, there is a form of an object, but there is a content. And many people see only the shape of an object (details), and not the object itself as a whole. And they will cling to details until they are hoarse, like KKND.
                  Well, thanks for the examples.
          2. +4
            25 June 2021 14: 54
            The rate of fire of the art installation ak 630 is about 4000 w / m, the number of shells in the barbet of this pskr is not known, but I think that no more than 1500 pieces. When firing from a distance of about a kilometer, even taking into account dispersion, working from the bow to the stern and continuous burst, the destroyer will receive damage that will lead to complete incapacity and the loss of most of the weapons and part of the l / s. It is not easy to decide on this, but sometimes David also defeats Goliath.
            1. 0
              25 June 2021 15: 03
              When firing from a distance of about a kilometer, even taking into account dispersion, working from the bow to the stern and continuous burst, the destroyer will receive damage that will lead to complete incapacity and the loss of most of the weapons and part of the l / s. It is not easy to decide on this, but sometimes David also defeats Goliath.

              Vooot, you can immediately see a normal person.
            2. +1
              27 June 2021 12: 56
              Quote: Note
              damage that will lead to complete incapacity and the loss of most of the weapons and part of the l / s. It is not easy to decide on this, but sometimes David also defeats Goliath.

              The famous fight "Bengal" with Japanese raiders ......
              "Impudence is the second happiness" (c), they took and drowned one raider ...
          3. 0
            25 June 2021 21: 14
            There is a ship sailing at 30 knots and practically out of sight. By the way, he has 4 such guns (2x20 and 2x30), + 4,5 inches. From 4,5 inches at this distance, yes, it could fly seriously.
          4. 0
            28 June 2021 07: 39
            The border guards have AK 306. The rate of fire is much lower. If interested, I can tell you about the fundamental difference)
        2. D16
          0
          26 June 2021 07: 26
          Shooting of the boat "warns" the destroyer URO.

          "Uncle Petya, are you?" (C) lol What does the boat have to do with it? He was eleven miles from the naval base. In the event of a conflict, he had no chance of survival.
          1. -2
            26 June 2021 12: 16
            Quote: D16
            In the event of a conflict, he had no chance of survival.

            Seriously? And what, in fact, could be done? If, in response to "warning shots" from 30mm, warning shots from 4,5 inches would go? Would the Guards Order of Nakhimov missile cruiser "Moskva" go out to sea?
            1. D16
              +1
              26 June 2021 16: 58
              If in response to "warning shots" from 30mm, warning shots from 4,5 inches would go?

              To do this, he would have to turn around laughing ... The beach is 11 miles away. Coastal complexes would have done well .. But we are kind and fluffy. And we don't need the blood of British sailors sent by the idiot Boris.
              1. -2
                26 June 2021 20: 59
                Quote: D16
                Coastal complexes would do

                Are they there? Despite the fact that the entire section of a kind of 12-mile zone from Cape Chersonesus to Foros is about an hour's course for EM, there is no time to pick in the nose.

                We are not asking this yet, but why on earth did we get to the bottom of a ship that goes from one foreign port to another. He obviously does not catch fish illegally and does not do anything dirty at all, except for his presence humiliates the pride of the Great Russians.
    5. ada
      +2
      27 June 2021 05: 32
      I agree. And it is too early to create a precedent with sinking or fire impact on the target. There are cases and ours drop by the tape. Himself almost climbed into Japan, though it was a long time ago. The quality of our actions cannot be judged by the available information. The task of expulsion was completed, no losses or damage were incurred, we practiced, the expense of funds was minimal. Hopefully, the reconnaissance of the target was done.
      Surprised by the British - the crush in the wheelhouse and running out onto the wing, the command of the commander with gesturing with his hands, and lazy flipping through the forms with the silhouettes of our ships - what is that? Didn't they prepare at all? Helmets are cool too. Some kind of ostentatious walk with a lazy loading display. I think we were nervous, of course, but not on camera. They did not forget to take the correspondent with them. It seems that such a development of events was supposed.
      About the red lines they passed - I think that everything is not so clear.
      The ukrovoiye can also wait until a couple of generations of migrants will ripen in "Europe", and there is more than one bridgehead ready. And as if there is no reason for the use of nuclear warheads, but try to stop the hordes.
      Nothing has changed in Western plans since the 80s. Where should they go then, to the Atlantic? No, they have one way, to the east. There are enough reasons - disputed territories and border conflicts, human rights, personal freedom, democracy, fair distribution of resources, unpopulated territories, etc. There is a lot more in their plans. Only the USSR was too tough. So those red lines that passed through "Europe" and "Asia", that our grandfathers and women in a bloody struggle established, we have already exchanged for chewing gum and cola, and who was quicker, he grabbed a barrel of jam with a box of cookies (though delicious babies were not given to them anyway). Who will now be able to set and defend new frontiers, and will they want to?
  2. +15
    25 June 2021 04: 42
    I agree with the author ... Ukrainian cannon fodder ready to kill the Russians will be the first to go into battle ... the recent disgusting murder of five Luhansk militias confirms this ... the jokes are over.
    It's time for our country to start up people who are capable of guiding Ukrainian lads on the right path ... the peaceful appeasement of the Russophobes of the West and Ukraine will not do any good.
    1. +6
      25 June 2021 08: 31
      The jokes ended in 2014 when packs of jackals pounced on Donbass



      Quote: Lech from Android.
      the recent vile murder of five Luhansk militias confirms this ... the jokes are over.
  3. +16
    25 June 2021 04: 58
    Always interested in the question, in the event of a war with Ukraine, will we turn off the gas to the global West?
    1. +17
      25 June 2021 05: 27
      gas to the global West will be cut off?
      That is unlikely! War is war, and yachts have to be built, dogs have to be hauled for haircuts.
      1. +4
        25 June 2021 06: 19
        Is it real? When did the union sell gas?) Remind me when they did bulk in Crimea? Chky then nothing was turned off.
        1. +3
          25 June 2021 06: 42
          bulk in the Crimea did?
          You are not interested in politics, let's talk about the flood. And if it reaches you from Blagoveshchensk?
          As for the Soviet Union, after 1985 it was less and less what it is customary to talk about. And when cooperatives, congresses and presidents appeared, then only the name remained.
          1. +11
            25 June 2021 06: 49
            We can handle it. The city is heated regularly. Is this news to you? Ever since the days of the Union. And I live on Istomin. Very close
            1. -1
              25 June 2021 08: 00
              We can handle
              The fact that you can do it is happy for you. How about trying to keep all these floods to a minimum
              1. +5
                25 June 2021 13: 53
                Raise the city above sea level? Don't write nonsense, eh? As a kid, I was stoking the embankment to the stadium. Have you seen Khabarovsk at all? The city of three mountains. Boulevards below the Amur.
                1. 0
                  25 June 2021 14: 31
                  Raise the city above sea level? Don't write nonsense, eh?
                  You said about the city to raise it. I just got interested in the topic. Under the kings, there was not enough money, no technology, there was money under the Soviets, but there was a problem with technology. Now I don’t know what about the money, but after all, a lot of money is also spent on correcting the consequences of the floods. At least the Zeyskaya and Bureyskaya HPPs have reduced flooding, so we need to think
                  1. +2
                    25 June 2021 14: 37
                    I advise you to visit the city and walk along the embankments) you yourself will understand. The city was drowning and will be drowning. It all depends on the winter. It was a snowy winter. For a long time there were none. I have never heard of the technology to raise the city by a meter. Don't worry. We are used to it. I repeat, I see this since childhood.
                    1. -1
                      25 June 2021 14: 41
                      raise the city by a meter
                      Somehow you got stuck in a loop. I never said or wrote about raising the city.
                      1. +1
                        25 June 2021 15: 04
                        And in another way, flooding can not be avoided)))) so built) I repeat, the boulevards of our city at water level.
      2. -1
        25 June 2021 07: 00
        Quote: Gardamir
        War is war, but yachts have to be built, dogs have to be taken for a haircut.

        You forgot about 2 trillion to the national budget (excluding associated taxes from employees and related enterprises). Are you yourself ready to sequester "social"? belay
        1. +4
          25 June 2021 08: 04
          to sequestration
          The Posons themselves proudly told how much dough they raised on the crown. And now, oh, for a reason, they are being driven into vaccination. It doesn't matter anymore, children, old people, even if you just got sick.
          I did not understand about trillions. It is as if German oil were being sold in 1943.
          1. +2
            25 June 2021 08: 26
            Quote: Gardamir
            Posons themselves proudly told how much dough they raised on the crown.

            Do you physically imagine what a "raised loot" is? This is to all the negative that you want to put into this phrase, there are also thousands of employees with good salaries, tax payments to the budgets of all levels. Therefore, we must be glad that these "posons" are ours, and not American or European.
            Quote: Gardamir
            I didn't understand about trillions

            This is Gazprom's share in the budget revenues.
            Quote: Gardamir
            It is as if in 1943 German oil was being sold.

            Are you (we) with someone today in an official state of war? You personally have a profit from that money, even if you do not even suspect about it.
            1. +4
              25 June 2021 11: 20
              Quote: Hagen
              Do you physically imagine what a "raised loot" is? This is to all the negative that you want to put into this phrase, there are also thousands of employees with good salaries, tax payments to the budgets of all levels. Therefore, we must be glad that these "posons" are ours, and not American or European.

              You are our benefactors. The breadwinners. Patriots! So unfasten for the needs of the Motherland. https://www.kp.ru/daily/28295/4433467/
              1. +1
                25 June 2021 11: 44
                Quote: vladimirvn
                So unfasten for the needs of the Motherland.

                For the needs of the Motherland, I unfastened 20 years of my life, and twice darned. But after that I received three additional diplomas at my own expense, and I think that for the final pension I will be able to calmly rest without pulling the belt. And you can further increase your level with empty articles from the yellow press. Just in case, the billionaire spends most of his profits on expanding production, which is also jobs and taxes. Poverty is also not for everyone because of impossibility, for someone and because of laziness.
                1. +3
                  25 June 2021 12: 55
                  Hagen: Maybe I got excited. sorry
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2021 12: 58
                    Quote: vladimirvn
                    Sorry

                    Nothing wrong. It happens. wink
                2. -2
                  26 June 2021 09: 34
                  What kind of production is this, may I ask? What is he expanding there? The diameter of the pumping pipe from the bowels, the margin in his pocket. And with the creation of jobs, the state will cope perfectly, the socialist one. We don’t need a bogeyman and his taxes, which, by the way, these guys don’t really want to pay. We did fine without it and I think we can do without it. Capitalism is evil, it is not possible for a person who is not lazy to live normally in it, because the jungle and selfishness flourish.
                  1. -1
                    26 June 2021 16: 57
                    Quote: Essex62
                    What kind of production is this, may I ask?

                    Any production that starts today is started by the same billionaires. An example for you is the same Mikhelson with NOVATEK. And there are many of them.
                    Quote: Essex62
                    And with the creation of jobs, the state will cope perfectly, the socialist one.

                    Poke your finger, where is the "socialist state" today? What are its prospects for the future? The economy of a socialist state in practice brought the USSR to a real famine. Haven't you heard of this? The USSR collapsed, and you all sing songs about how he coped well, but it’s not clear with what.
                    Quote: Essex62
                    We don't need a backbone and his taxes

                    And at the same time you live on them, on these taxes. laughing
                    Quote: Essex62
                    We did just fine without it and I think we can do it

                    Say some nonsense. This is from economic illiteracy ...
                    1. -1
                      27 June 2021 09: 45
                      Stop talking nonsense. What a famine in the USSR. Have you ever lived in the Union?
                      Yes, there is no socialist state now, you shot it with tanks in 93.
                      Bourgeois means my benefactors, I find myself living on their taxes. Thank you enlightened. And for some reason I thought that I live by my labor.
                      1. +1
                        27 June 2021 16: 14
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Have you ever lived in the Union?

                        I spent all the 80s in SA. And since the 77th year in the city in the Urals with a population of one million there has been no meat on the free market. It was bought somewhere "from under the counter." Distributed at enterprises. But I, as a simple customer in the store, could not even take a soup set (pork and lamb ribs with leftover meat). The country sat on imported grain! Bought from the oil and gas trade with the bourgeoisie! Mandarins were only for the new year .... Yes, this is not 1932-33. But it was a real collapse! You probably forgot life in the USSR. Or they lived at this time in Moscow (or another city of the 1st category).
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And for some reason I thought that I live by my labor.

                        Because they thought that you could not imagine the economic life of the country. Because you don't think that in order for you to go to the store and buy a loaf of bread with your earned money, the country contains the Ministry of Defense + Ministry of Internal Affairs + Housing and Communal Services + Ministry of Health + Ministry of Education + MIC + ..... taxes from bourgeois benefactors + other taxes laughing There is nothing in this life just like that. And if the sun rose for you in the morning, then someone paid for it. Who - guess for yourself ...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Thank you enlightened

                        And if you have not comprehended these simple truths in life, then, obviously, you did not study very hard.
                      2. -1
                        28 June 2021 09: 18
                        You are an SA officer who has taken an oath to defend the Soviet people and betrayed socialism. A classic reincarnation. He paid for my sun. What nonsense.
                        There was a deficit, who can argue. But not
                        everything is measured by stomach and clothes.
                        Of course, OUR taxes contain all of the above, and aligarh, for the stolen, builds yachts.
                        I represent the life of your country very well. A handful of hucksters have 90% of the national income, the rest are shish. Therefore, as you correctly noted, it is also necessary to support the security officials. So as not to rock the boat.
                      3. +1
                        28 June 2021 09: 36
                        Quote: Essex62
                        You are an SA officer who has taken an oath to defend the Soviet people and betrayed socialism. A classic reincarnation.

                        You, sir, are not yourself. Drink some water. It is not your function to judge my actions in my service and life. Moreover, they are not known to you. You yourself do not understand what nonsense you are talking about here. I am telling you about the current factual situation, and you are confused between facts and dreams.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There was a deficit, who can argue. But not
                        everything is measured by stomach and clothes.

                        You tell this to those Muscovites that in 1991 they jumped in defense of EBN and its team under tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. You tell this to all the other commentators who are nostalgic for free apartments and universities from the USSR, and not at all for the ideological legacy of Marxism-Leninism. Do you understand what I mean? It is funny and sad to read your bile, riddled with illiteracy and unconsciousness.
                      4. -1
                        28 June 2021 09: 51
                        I can give an assessment. I am a citizen of the USSR and defended it until the last time when people like you fired at me from tanks and riflemen.
                        And there is no need for the gopu and the shop assistants with the currency dealers who have thrown out onto the streets of Moscow to be identified with the true communists.
                        I can understand those who are nostalgic for the social system of the USSR, but I personally do not accept the bourgeois way of life. Because he is not fair and vicious.
                        Without any isms, with a red line, everyone is equal from birth, a ban on personal enrichment, since this creates inequality, the main one in society is the one who created, and did not drive at a speculative price.
                        And something all of you pulls me to give an assessment? And actually, who are you.
                        I don't care about your bourgeois towers, I have my own universities. Vital.


                        .
                      5. +1
                        28 June 2021 12: 42
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I can give an assessment.

                        Dear comrade! In order to make an assessment, you need to know something of the fundamental and really perfect. For example, you need to know the constitution of the USSR and understand what powers are entrusted to the Armed Forces and to repel what attacks they have been created. In addition, you need to know the text of the oath in order to assess the correctness of its execution. You know nothing of this. So you said that
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And there is no need for the gopu and the shop assistants with the currency dealers who have thrown out onto the streets of Moscow to be identified with the true communists.

                        I can't understand what you meant by the word "gopu" (I think, nevertheless, "gopotu", given some of your spelling errors wink ), this "gopa" and "tsehoviki" - whatever one may say, part of the people. And you, the defenders of the USSR, are also part of the people of the same country. And the Armed Forces do not have the right to protect one part of the people from another. This is the lot of the USSR Internal Troops. Questions for them.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I am a citizen of the USSR and defended him to the last

                        It means that they were defending badly. Apparently there were more "tsehoviks" and you lost. So whose fault is it that there were more guilds and gopots than defenders of the USSR? The fact that you personally do not accept something is your problem, not my execution of the oath. I pledged to defend the Soviet Motherland, but it is not my fault that the Motherland has ceased to want to be Soviet. But the Lord did not vouch for you for a fundamental education, and in the universities of life they did not explain something to you that way. request It's boring to talk to people who don't want to learn ...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        everyone is equal from birth, no personal enrichment

                        This is what led to the collapse of the USSR. One learns, the other drove away the bald 10 and, except for the janitor, is not good for anything. One worked in the sweat of his brow for himself and that guy, the other ... kicked from bell to bell, and then played the fool and did not even take care of his own children. And you want to level them financially? Is this in your fairness? Remember the motto of socialism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his work. Someone worked better and more and became enriched by their own labor. What doesn't suit you? Are you in favor of collective farm leveling? But even there there was a difference in the well-being of the toiler and the parasite. But I think it's not my responsibility to teach you. You live as you studied. And your life is the fruit of your labor ...
                      6. -1
                        29 June 2021 10: 29
                        Nonsense. In your opinion, is the speculator a worker? The principle of socialism implied priming for good work to the basic salary. The difference in incomes thousands of times was not implied in any way. The socialist state created very uncomfortable conditions for parasites and forced them to work. Such individuals exist in any system.
                        As for the oath, I, the sergeant of the Soviet Army for the Army, honestly fulfilled it, unlike you as an officer.
                        No, neither the Motherland wanted to stop being socialist, but a handful of degenerates, but with tremendous power and resources, one step at a time, folding socialism, and then deciding on an open rebellion.
                        This excuse that SA is not in business I do not accept. You are an intelligent person and you knew perfectly well where everything was heading. And the choice was inevitable to take the side, regardless of the orders of the command. You are an SA officer, not a mercenary. This is the difference between the workers 'and peasants' army from the bourgeois one. Having hammered a bolt on the conscience of a communist, they chose the side of the enemy.
                        Once again, teach your children.
                      7. +1
                        29 June 2021 11: 39
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Once again, teach your children.

                        It is useless to admonish you.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        In your opinion, is the speculator a worker?

                        The one whom you mean a speculator performs a rather important function - he delivers the goods necessary for each of us from the point of production to the place of my or your residence. It also equips the retail buyer with a place to select the desired product. This is not your job?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The principle of socialism implied priming for good work to the basic salary. The difference in incomes thousands of times was not implied in any way.

                        These are your fantasies, i.e. unsubstantiated statements.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        This excuse that SA is not in business I do not accept.

                        Well, yes, with your sense of justice to recognize the constitution is a bad form. laughing
                        Quote: Essex62
                        As for the oath, I, the sergeant of the Soviet Army for the Army, honestly fulfilled it, unlike you an officer

                        I do not presume to assess what you accomplished in SA, but I do not advise you to make judgments either. This is none of your business.
                        For all the "mnogabuwaf" you did not add anything concrete to your arguments, all of a kind of spreading of thought along the tree. Talking to you is boring and unproductive. Therefore, I do not expect an answer.
                      8. -1
                        30 June 2021 08: 56
                        What proof do you need? You can see the party card of Secretary General Brezhnev with membership fees with a salary of 800 rubles. Somewhere exposed, you can google it. And my father-in-law, drove on the farm, earned more than a thousand for the suffering, for example. Turner on the "box" 300-350.
                        Constitution? So they trampled her down, shooting the legitimate Soviet power elected by the people, and you had an order. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief gave it to you from the White House, he personally heard it, he was nearby. You supported the rebellion and threw a bourgeois on our necks. Themselves, repainted from a member of the CPSU, an officer of the SA, to a bourgeois.
                        We really have nothing to discuss. The basic understanding of the world order is antagonistic.
                    2. -1
                      27 June 2021 23: 16
                      The economy of a socialist state in practice brought the USSR to a real famine. Haven't you heard of this?

                      You're probably talking about the 90s, when the Union was gone. I don't remember the famine in the 70s and 80s under the USSR.
                      1. 0
                        28 June 2021 06: 11
                        Quote: mister-red
                        You're probably talking about the 90s, when the Union was gone. I don't remember the famine in the 70s and 80s under the USSR.

                        First, I would ask you to behave within the bounds of decency. Second, I have clarified both the timing and expression of product shortcomings in retail. In the 90s, this was already evident in Moscow. Maybe you don't remember about "sausage" trains from Moscow in those years?
                      2. -1
                        28 June 2021 21: 41
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Quote: mister-red
                        You're probably talking about the 90s, when the Union was gone. I don't remember the famine in the 70s and 80s under the USSR.

                        First, I would ask you to behave within the bounds of decency. Second, I have clarified both the timing and expression of product shortcomings in retail. In the 90s, this was already evident in Moscow. Maybe you don't remember about "sausage" trains from Moscow in those years?

                        And what did I say so indecent, excuse the question?
                        There were sausage trains, but that doesn't mean there was a famine. Dear, I remember myself somewhere from the 70th, I never went hungry in principle. Mom was a simple engineer, there was no father, grandfather and grandmother were retired in the village. Why on earth should I believe in the famine in the USSR? It got bad in the late 80s.
                      3. +1
                        28 June 2021 22: 43
                        Quote: mister-red
                        And what did I say so indecent, excuse the question?

                        In a decent society, strangers are addressed to YOU, if you are not aware ...
                        Quote: mister-red
                        There were sausage trains, but that doesn't mean there was famine.

                        This means that there was a shortage of essential products. And there was also a huge import of wheat (with our virgin soil and middle lane raised ...). Even the chickens were blue, undernourished. Since 1977, refrigerated display cases in an ordinary Ural city grocery store were filled with only canned fish. In our view of those years, the "tourist's breakfast" could only be minced fish with barley laughing Of course, we were not swollen with hunger, but the shortage of basic products was felt quite strongly.
                        Quote: mister-red
                        Why should I believe in the famine in the USSR? It got bad in the late 80s.

                        You may not believe it. Take a look at the statistics of those times. Look at the balance of exports and imports. Figures are more eloquent than anecdotes if you can read them.
                        Quote: mister-red
                        It got bad in the late 80s.

                        All of a sudden, all of a sudden? Or did the problems grow gradually accumulating?
                      4. -1
                        29 June 2021 10: 34
                        Precisely that is sudden. Sabotage.
                      5. 0
                        29 June 2021 14: 53
                        In a decent society, strangers are addressed to YOU, if you are not aware ...
                        I have a very high opinion of myself. I was not taught to address liars and fabricators with you. Moreover, consider them a decent society.
                        In fact, I first wrote about hunger, but later it begins: the purchase of wheat, the balance of exports-imports and other crap. A lack of something in particular and hunger are two different things.
                        Then the direct question is - is there a famine in Russia now? Probably not, right? And what about the balance of exports and imports? After all, all the shops are inundated with imported food.
                        Have the courage to admit that you have blurted out too much. There was no famine in the USSR in the 60s and 70s and 80s, and there is no need to tell about it to those who lived then.
                        All of a sudden, all of a sudden? Or did the problems grow gradually accumulating?

                        Yes, they did. Since about 86. Before that, it was quite normal. I remember it well, in 87th my son was born, and then, little by little, problems began to manifest themselves.
                      6. 0
                        29 June 2021 15: 56
                        Quote: mister-red
                        I have a very high opinion of myself.

                        Yes. I have a high enough opinion of myself to communicate with you in the tone you have set. I don't want to waste time on disembodied discussions.
                      7. 0
                        30 June 2021 21: 36
                        [/ Quote]
                        Quote: Hagen
                        [quote = mister-red] I have a very high opinion of myself.

                        Yes. I have a high enough opinion of myself to communicate with you in the tone you have set. I don't want to waste time on disembodied discussions.

                        Amen. I don't really care, but still don’t lie anymore, since you have such a high opinion of yourself.
            2. ANB
              +1
              25 June 2021 18: 56
              ... You personally have a profit from that money, even if you do not even suspect about it.

              Can not argue with that. I just picked up a child from the Morozov hospital.
              The wife is shocked by what is there and how it is treated. The food is just tasteless, but healthy. Doctors, nurses and even nurses are top class. Everyone is polite and attentive.
              And everything is according to the policy, and we are not even Muscovites. They put it urgently without question. And the type of the virus was identified and treated exactly from it.
              So let Gazprom work and deduct taxes.
          2. +5
            25 June 2021 09: 02
            Gardamir
            And now, oh, for a reason, they are being driven into vaccination.
            Iiii ....? Why are they being driven, what is the benefit, if the vaccine is FREE for you for stoned anti-vaccines !!!
            And, I understand, they want to kill all of us and replace us with guest workers, so probably?

            If you are like that all Soviet (which by the way is a lie), then why are you not running in the first ranks to get vaccinated, because in the USSR, vaccinations were given to EVERYONE indiscriminately, and most importantly, no one asked anyone.
            If anything, then I was grafted.
            1. +1
              25 June 2021 10: 08
              You drive, and I am an anti-addict. Where is the logic? Well, when you staged a coup, you promised rights, freedoms, but now you are totally driving you.
              I am not calling for anything. Or do people already have no rights in the nullified constitution?
            2. -2
              25 June 2021 10: 57
              Quote: Alex_1973
              the vaccine is FREE !!!

              The vaccine is not free - they pay for it from the state budget.

              Quote: Alex_1973
              Iiii ....? Why are they driven, what is the benefit

              The money from the state budget is absorbed by Putin's sidekicks from pharmacy - as with Platon, drug labeling by Usmanov, and so on.
              In addition, Putin's burned out that no one except the elderly and hypochondriacs needed his compote in Russia, and this is very harmful to sales to different Brazil and Venezuela.

              They want to kill us all and replace us with gastro-beaters, right?

              Right:


              in the USSR, everyone was vaccinated indiscriminately

              Well, duck in the USSR there were real and perfected vaccinations that gave lifelong immunity created by a technical superpower.
              Putin, however, proposes that once every six months until the end of his life, let his veins run through a "vaccine-like product identical to natural", which has not yet officially passed the tests, created by a "resource superpower" that does not know how to use the automobile industry or electronics.
              Ginzburg also lied to - either he had a lifelong immunity, then two years, now, it turned out, everyone needs to be immunized again and will not protect him from the Indian staff.
              And besides, Putin's falcons are also in no hurry to put something - Peskov took the challenge, Matvienko was vaccinated, attention with "AEROSOL".


              Let then they provide me with vaccine in the form of an aerosol, as for Matvienko, then I can also vaccinate wassat
          3. 0
            25 June 2021 20: 19
            The Posons themselves proudly told,

            Who are the Posons? Like Masons or what? laughing
        2. +1
          25 June 2021 12: 39
          Quote: Hagen
          You forgot about 2 trillion in the budget of the country

          In general, in Soviet times, the budget received money from the sale of gas, and now the tax on the sale of gas
          1. +2
            25 June 2021 13: 07
            Quote: starpom
            In general, in Soviet times, the budget received money from the sale of gas, and now the tax on the sale of gas

            And in Soviet times, part of the money went exactly to the oilmen, and not a small one. Today, the main "profit" of the budget is not from sales, but from the mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax). Well, a part of the PJSC's own income is divided among shareholders, other parts go to the needs of the enterprise (exploration, development of deposits, construction of the same joint ventures, the Power of Siberia of different stripes, repayment of loan obligations, etc.) Any financing system is aimed at ensuring that the enterprise can develop and provide the required financial and economic indicators. Both then and today the PJSC is under the control of the state.
            1. -1
              26 June 2021 09: 45
              In the USSR, the maximum income was strictly regulated. This means that part of the income went to the oilmen. According to the tariff scale with priming.
              Funds were allocated for the development of the industry centrally, from the budget, and not from specific sales of gas and oil.
              And for non-labor savings, over 10 sput could lean against the wall. And this is a very fair system.
              PJSC under the control of the state, which is bourgeois, with all that it implies. They reassured me.
              1. 0
                26 June 2021 17: 06
                Quote: Essex62
                In the USSR, the maximum income was strictly regulated. This means that part of the income went to the oilmen. According to the tariff scale with priming.

                The economy of the USSR was skewed, and pricing was carried out in a voluntaristic way. Therefore, a liter of gasoline was cheaper than half a liter of sparkling water without syrup. As a result, the entire economy came to a standstill and ruined the big state.
                Quote: Essex62
                Funds were allocated for the development of the industry centrally, from the budget, and not from specific sales of gas and oil.

                And how did the money get into the budget? What nonsense is this? Money is, in principle, an element of the buying and selling process. And the industry developed only in order to produce something from what you can sell and get money from the buyer and buy what is not produced at home. Take a look at the school textbook of economics. You wander in the elementary processes of life.
                1. 0
                  27 June 2021 09: 34
                  No distortions and dead ends. The economy of the USSR worked like a clock, until traitors, degenerates began to destroy it by sabotage and the severing of inter-sectoral and related ties. Your Chubais expressed this in plain text. There is a video on the network.
                  All this was done to prepare the ground for a change in social formation and the revival of capitalism. Ignite citizens' discontent with the failure of the state to fulfill its obligations and carry out a coup on this wave A standard Masonic flower garden, only on a grand scale. I have already cited examples of such sabotage from personal experience.
                  Financing the development of the industry and wages from the budget. It was not the private owner who distributed the funds, that's what I said. Not any grabbers of private traders, deciding how much for salary of hard workers, how much for new drilling equipment, and how much for a new yacht. Is it clear now? And your bourgeois textbooks reflect precisely this process, what will I see new there?
                  In the Union, the same money supply has been circulating in circulation for decades. Practically not subject to inflation, because money was not a commodity and speculative operations were punished according to socialist laws. They were punished very severely.
                  1. +1
                    27 June 2021 13: 15
                    Quote: Essex62
                    The economy of the USSR worked like a clock

                    In the 70s in Turkmenistan, there were Buran snowmobiles in stores that nobody needed - for which they gave 3 prices in the North ... Straight hour-hourglass ...

                    Quote: Essex62
                    In the Union, the same money supply has been circulating in circulation for decades. Practically immune to inflation
                    there was no inflation ??? Vaughn Th .... Because of the ""nonexistent"inflation 2 monetary reforms had to be carried out ....
                  2. +1
                    27 June 2021 14: 35
                    Quote: Essex62
                    Your Chubais expressed this in plain text.

                    My Chubais is exactly the same as yours. Those. not mine at all. The Arabs have such a rule - in order not to be considered a liar and not to become an enemy, do not tell a desert nomad about mountains and forests.
      3. +11
        25 June 2021 08: 35
        Why do you get attached to the rich, you look at the common people how they barge abroad, how they flatten and sausage, if closed, how they diverge, that they are not allowed to go to Turkey to warm up their belly, and you mean patriotism
      4. +1
        27 June 2021 13: 03
        Quote: Gardamir
        gas to the global West will be cut off?
        That is unlikely! War is war, and yachts have to be built, dogs have to be hauled for haircuts.

        You apparently forgot - that gas was pumped to Europe ALL (!!!!!!) "Cold war" and even the loot were taken for construction from a NATO member (Germany) ... Apparently, the war was a war, and the Politburo "drove the dogs for a haircut", yes ??? !!!!!!!!!!
    2. +2
      25 June 2021 05: 33
      If they don't turn off the payment for gas, the business is nothing personal.
      1. +5
        25 June 2021 05: 52
        War, war, and gas to the global West on schedule, if only the money was paid. Indeed, a hybrid war, they are poop in us, but we just get paid. smile Of course we will win this way. laughing
        1. +5
          25 June 2021 05: 54
          And what is better to break the vest on the chest and gallop to attack Washington and London? smile
          Times have changed, now wars are waged in a completely different way. hi
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 05: 57
            Another red line has been passed. Then just drown
            hi
        2. +7
          25 June 2021 06: 29
          Quote: parusnik
          War, war, and gas to the global West on schedule, if only the money was paid. Indeed, a hybrid war, they are poop in us, but we just get paid. smile Of course we will win this way. laughing

          We will not supply, they will supply others. There will be a shortage period, but the capacity will increase. Well, gas will cost more than $ 1000, for example. But where will we get the currency to buy what we need?
          1. +4
            25 June 2021 06: 34
            Yes, you just have iron logic. Indeed, where to get the currency to buy what you need, in the same global West that crossed the red line?
            1. -2
              25 June 2021 06: 54
              Quote: parusnik
              Yes, you just have iron logic.

              The logic is simple.
              We are not a self-sufficient country.
              We simply cannot live without trade with enemies from NATO.
              Or are you ready, like our grandfathers, to live with a ration of 250 grams of food a day?
              1. +1
                25 June 2021 20: 49
                We simply cannot live without trade with enemies from NATO.
                Then we disperse, there will be no war.
            2. +3
              25 June 2021 07: 08
              Quote: parusnik
              Yes, you just have iron logic. Indeed, where to get the currency to buy what you need, in the same global West that crossed the red line?

              Where do you get medicines, for example, which are not produced in Russia? The same insulin in the West is much cleaner than domestic. In fact, no one has crossed the red line. In Soviet times, border violations were commonplace. But remember how much negative was with the downed Korean Boeing
              1. -4
                25 June 2021 10: 19
                There were no "red lines" at all. The ship passed from Odessa to Poti along the usual corridor for this route. In principle, it never occurred to anyone that one, even a good destroyer, would treacherously strike Sevastopol. But no, the valiant defenders of the fatherland needed to arrange a naval clowning with fireworks.
                1. +2
                  25 June 2021 13: 00
                  But no, the valiant defenders of the fatherland needed to arrange a naval clownery with fireworks.

                  They did the right thing ... there is nothing for the Anglo-Saxons to roam about near our borders.
                2. +1
                  25 June 2021 17: 18
                  If the usual route, why should Bora Angliyskiy personally give the order for this route. It all started from the meeting between VVP and Biden. The Angles are not checking our Army and Navy. And the power, can she, having the loot in Londongrad, give the order to drown the violator of the state border. And there will be an order to sink and not be able to utter a word.
              2. +1
                25 June 2021 20: 53
                Where do you get medicines that are not produced in Russia, for example?
                And not only...
            3. -1
              25 June 2021 08: 03
              Quote: parusnik
              Yes, you just have iron logic. Indeed, where to get the currency to buy what you need, in the same global West that crossed the red line?

              Yeah, it means that not only our country will supply, but also the west will continue deliveries after it crosses the red line.? Surrealism.
              1. +2
                25 June 2021 20: 55
                Surrealism.
                I ask in my house not to express myself! (C) laughing
                1. +1
                  25 June 2021 21: 03
                  Quote: parusnik
                  Surrealism.
                  I ask in my house not to express myself! (C) laughing

                  Sorry, dear. recourse request I thought you were, like, an artist! The best explanation about red lines is
                  1. +2
                    25 June 2021 21: 07
                    I will say, as an artist, to an artist, I'm tired of militarism laughing
                    1. +1
                      25 June 2021 21: 33
                      I am embarrassed to ask, if you do not sell medicines to our country, as someone wrote above, then many people will die without military action. Why does the West need these very actions? Or, like blackmail, after the meeting of the presidents?
                      1. +1
                        26 June 2021 06: 53
                        Dmitry, don't take everything so personally. laughing Competition, the strong absorb the weak.
                      2. +1
                        26 June 2021 07: 54
                        Quote: parusnik
                        Dmitry, don't take everything so personally. laughing Competition, the strong absorb the weak.

                        It's not about the heart lol and bewilderment about red lines, like any artist feel , but some of the lines are probably not red, but black. ........
                        However, the Englishwoman has become more active, that's what!
                      3. +2
                        26 June 2021 08: 04
                        Dima, believe me, I am far from these red lines, Englishwomen. We made a mess of ourselves 30 years ago, now we slurp it with a full spoon.
                      4. +2
                        26 June 2021 08: 12
                        I often mention that I was awarded, that no matter how you turn your back on it, no matter how you pretend that everything is fine, this counter-revolutionary coup should be marked. With this lie, nothing can be changed or improved .. Unlike the USSR, there is nothing to offer the world.
              2. +1
                27 June 2021 13: 20
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Quote: parusnik
                Yes, you just have iron logic. Indeed, where to get the currency to buy what you need, in the same global West that crossed the red line?

                Yeah, it means that not only our country will supply, but also the west will continue deliveries after it crosses the red line.? Surrealism.

                There is DOCUMENTALLY a confirmed case of transferring money for the supply of our raw materials from the Reich to the USSR in a day or two AFTER the beginning of the war.
                There was an article here on VO recently
    3. -2
      25 June 2021 06: 51
      Well, the author directly said that we, Russians, are not acting in a standard way - it means, most likely, on the contrary - we will give through pipes with maximum pressure! So that Frau in the kitchen does not know what else to cook, and her poor husband, who works at a steel enterprise, clutches at his heart - so much good is lost!)))
    4. -1
      25 June 2021 20: 14
      gas to the global West will be cut off

      Don't confuse the private with the public. laughing
      1. +1
        25 June 2021 20: 56
        Gazprom, national treasure laughing
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 21: 01
          You understood me correctly. hi
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 21: 03
            hi You me too ...
  4. +3
    25 June 2021 05: 00
    Of course, there will be many disadvantages. But, if you look stupidly at the situation, then no one in the world recognized Crimea as Russian. I will say more: and few people will recognize it in the next 50-100 years. Ukraine will continue to grumble on this topic non-stop. Take a look at Google Maps. The names of the settlements and cities of Crimea are in English and Ukrainian. Everyone has their own truth. The British will say: and we asked permission from Ukraine to pass through their waters, and they gave us permission. And what can I say to that?
    1. +4
      25 June 2021 05: 10
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      few people recognize in the next 50-100 years. Ukraine will continue to grumble on this topic non-stop

      Ukraine and 50 years old? I give out a sad laugh.
    2. -1
      25 June 2021 05: 30
      And there is no need to say anything, it is necessary to treat Russophobia as our ancestors always treated.
      There was no need to arrange a coup d'etat in Ukraine, there was no need to move NATO troops to the borders of Russia.
      And now if the British and the Nazis of Ukraine want a war with Russia, they will get it.
      1. +7
        25 June 2021 06: 57
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        if the British and the Nazis of Ukraine want a war with Russia, they will get it

        Do you want war?
        I'm not.
        My parents survived it, they were not at the front, in the rear, as a child, they worked instead of adults.
        And I liked it.
        Highly.
        For some reason I believe them.
        But why do you need the war, I don't know. But I don’t want to.
        1. +5
          25 June 2021 07: 22
          I do not want war, but I am ready to fight those who kill my people hi .
          And I don't need war, I just need to be ready for it at any moment, we do not live in the world of angels and righteous people.
        2. -6
          25 June 2021 21: 08
          They want a small victorious war ..
          Someone convinced them that Russia with OFABs could defeat all NATO ..
    3. +15
      25 June 2021 05: 31
      then no one recognized Crimea as Russian in the world.
      And why would anyone recognize if Russia itself does not. Here the patriots explained to me that it is not profitable for the Grefbank to recognize it. But if this is our territory and this is a Russian bank, then what kind of benefit are we talking about. But it is not only Gref who does not recognize it. And they get away with it.
      1. -1
        25 June 2021 05: 40
        And that Gref is the whole of Russia? smile
        Gref is the same shopkeeper and usurer like Chubais ... and he thinks the same way.
        Of course, if this gentleman comrade forgets where he lives and earns his money, he will quickly be reminded of it, just like the late Berezovsky.
        1. +6
          25 June 2021 05: 57
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Of course, if this gentleman comrade forgets where he lives and earns his money, he will quickly be reminded of it, just like the late Berezovsky.

          So it would be high time!
        2. +7
          25 June 2021 06: 35
          And that Gref is the whole of Russia?
          You are thinking like a first grader. First is finance. I will not give the name of a person who still believes that foreign investment is more important than Russia's development.
          Berezovsky is on his own. And Gref is from the team that does not surrender.
          Let's think in an adult way. I want to live in Great and Strong Russia. For you, capitalism, cars in the yards and boys show-off are important.
          Well, at least they showed the shooting, but somehow they were very shy.
          1. +4
            25 June 2021 07: 24
            The safety and well-being of the country and the people is important to me, and I also want to live in a Strong and Fair country.
            Maybe you have different approaches to this. hi
        3. +3
          25 June 2021 11: 13
          In fact, one of the masters of Russia, no matter how sad it may sound.
      2. -9
        25 June 2021 06: 22
        Yes, calm down already, huh? Sber is a global player and will decide for himself how to live. Want to ruin the biggest bank for your wishes?
        1. +8
          25 June 2021 06: 44
          for your wishes?
          I have such a Wishlist. Strong Russia, what bothers you?
          1. -8
            25 June 2021 06: 47
            Not. Moreover, I agree with you. I just want to understand why you want to ruin the savings?
            1. +10
              25 June 2021 07: 09
              Quote: carstorm 11
              I just want to understand why you want to ruin the savings?

              And you propose to be content with the situation when the "Sberbank" ruins us? Why do we need a moneylender's office, where the head considers people to be idiots?
              1. +1
                25 June 2021 07: 42
                Did we talk about this? Are you forced to take loans there?
                1. +2
                  25 June 2021 12: 33
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  Did we talk about this? Are you forced to take loans there?

                  You don’t pretend to be Dunno. You wrote - I issued a replica.
                  I don’t take loans on principle, because I believe that we must live within our means. I know people who drive a car and pay off a loan for an apartment, the cost of which rises at least one and a half times.
                  Sberbank, due to some awareness of customers, regularly sends me SMS with an offer of a credit card for a little over 15% per annum. What is this - such a concern?
                  I have read what you said, but I believe that the residents of the Russian Federation (all without exception) should have EQUAL rights and responsibilities.
                  Forgive me, but the state policy is such a policy, when residents of all regions of Russia can do military service in the Russian army, and not “show off” with weapons in stadiums using equipment of their own production; when the services of public and financial organizations are available anywhere in the country; when pensioners and workers are not divided into metropolitan and "provincial"; when travel in and out of the country is available to residents of any region equally ...
                  This is my personal opinion. And at the same time it is not necessary to close your eyes to the existing, developing qualification for the place of residence.
                  ==========
                  The owner of 50% plus 1 share of Sberbank is the Russian National Welfare Fund, which is controlled by the Russian Government. The rest of Sberbank's shareholders are over 8273 legal entities and individuals. The share of individuals in the authorized capital of the bank is about 2,84%, and the share of foreign investors is more than 45%
                  1. -3
                    25 June 2021 13: 47
                    And what is all this to me? In general, I am at VTB and receive salaries and cards in the same place. Do you consider the bank to be a charity? I have been rid of these illusions for a long time
                    1. 0
                      25 June 2021 14: 29
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Do you consider the bank to be a charity?

                      I believe that having a license for financial activities, a bank should not turn into an office of usurers. And, forgive me, if you (the bank) have already "managed" to the fullest, having a consonant name to the Savings Banks, in which the inhabitants of the USSR lost their savings, then today you do not need to tell us pitiful stories about global injustice, while relying on foreign investors. First you need to answer the obligations ...
                      Although, who is there to ask?
                      ==========
                      VTB, you say? And what is the St. Petersburg "horseradish" of Kostin and Siluanov more pleasant and healthier than Gref's "radish"? The same "beaver", only the view in profile and the number of ATMs is incomparably less, and the quality of services is less accessible due to the scarcity of the number of offices and their location in the city (mine, in particular).
                      hi
                      1. +1
                        25 June 2021 14: 32
                        Well, we arrived)))) the bank is essentially usurers)))) and I didn’t complain about them) I accepted the rules of the game for a long time)
                      2. 0
                        25 June 2021 14: 37
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        and I didn’t complain about them

                        I simply answer your remarks, isolating them from the text. At the same time, I leave your feelings and emotions for you for dessert. And I set out my view of things in a key that I consider capable of opening (revealing) a new (my own, independent) view of things.
                        hi
                      3. +1
                        25 June 2021 14: 38
                        As you like) I'm an adult already to believe in fairy tales)))
            2. +3
              25 June 2021 07: 58
              Why do you want to ruin the savings?
              While foreign ships are trying to get into our border waters. Gref is actively enriching foreigners. At the same time, the question is, what is the Sberbank doing to improve Russia, just don't need me about the savings logistics and other nonsense.
              1. +1
                25 June 2021 13: 48
                Gref works for a salary. He is not a politician, but simply an employee. Do you want him to be what? Did you bring any losses? Why should Sberbank improve your life? Haven't you messed around for a year? Learn to live intelligently. Estimate income and expenses. As for all savings, they create their own ecosystem. From cinema to taxi. What's bad?
        2. ANB
          0
          25 June 2021 19: 03
          ... Want to ruin the biggest bank for your wishes?

          No, he is already leasing the savings, he is leasing it. And Gref's leadership strongly contributes to this. Mail is already on the heels.
    4. +5
      25 June 2021 06: 04
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      The British will say: and we asked permission from Ukraine to pass through their waters, and they gave us permission. And what can I say to that?

      Well, let's say that the automation is so programmed that it launches missiles at violators of Russian territorial waters without asking anyone. And the fact that Ukraine gave permission, so the automation of their sovereign language does not understand.
    5. 0
      25 June 2021 06: 25
      You know, according to the situation with the destroyer, here you are right, the British have an "iron" otmazka. But in the year 86-87, the last century, American aircraft carriers violated the state border of the USSR, in the same place near the Crimea. The war did not happen, but a little later the USSR was destroyed. For two years he served, the coast was air borders, reconnaissance planes flew every day, NATO exercises were held, exercises not every day, but often. Warships entered the water area, but especially then, they had to go nowhere, all around the USSR and the ATS countries. Now the picture has changed: Andrei, Andrei, all around there are Andreas, in the sense of NATO countries and sympathizers. In addition, international borders are not recognized by the international community. On the other hand, the British encroached on the sacred, on the Constitution The Russian Federation, where the regions that are part of the Russian Federation are registered. And from the point of view that our Constitution has priority over international laws and it turns out that the British have violated the border of the Russian Federation and therefore, not today, tomorrow is war. We need to prepare, buy buckwheat, etc. ...
      1. +4
        25 June 2021 08: 00
        But in the year 86-87, the last century, American aircraft carriers violated the state border of the USSR, in the same place near the Crimea
        - laughing , did they come up with it themselves or who suggested? wassat
    6. +13
      25 June 2021 07: 34
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      But, if you look stupidly at the situation, then no one in the world recognized Crimea as Russian.

      for the stupid looking: NO ONE country in the world exists on the basis of its "recognition" / non-recognition by someone else.

      Each country is only what it has managed to create and defend.

      The same England and so on did not recognize for a long time the annexation of the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus and Crimea, etc. to Russia.
    7. +15
      25 June 2021 07: 42
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Nobody recognized Crimea as Russian in the world. I will say more: and few people will recognize it in the next 50-100 years.
      Crimea was officially recognized as Russian by 2021 by 8 states - Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea (North Korea), Syria, Sudan, Palestine (de jure an independent, in fact, not all recognized state itself), Afghanistan.

      If our authorities did not recognize the elections in Ukraine, with a living and legitimate Yanukovych, we could also not recognize the new Ukraine. Moreover, to insist on all-Ukrainian referendums, where not only Crimea, but also Donbass, plus many pro-Russian regions of the southeast, would legally go to Russia. Once the elections were recognized, they themselves allowed those who carried out the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev to legalize.

      If we got to the point of "import substitution", that even pencils and stationery buttons from China, and our factories are "optimized". Children are already collecting money for operations on all TV channels, with our record holders billionaires. If "currency is needed", our oligarchs-brothers that way would have sold gas to Hitler during the war ... So what to talk about? NATO is becoming impudent, it must be understood that it "will not get off with tomatoes."
      1. ANB
        +1
        25 June 2021 19: 06
        ... Children are already en masse on all TV channels collect money for operations, with our record holders billionaires

        But with some collectors, it would be good to carefully understand.
    8. +4
      25 June 2021 10: 54
      Maybe this is news for you, but the so-called "international law" is a purely voluntary matter. I want to respect other people's boundaries, I want not. And you can only force you to observe your own boundaries (or the threat of its use).

      So, by and large, do not care what is there who recognizes or does not recognize in the world. The main thing is not to meddle in practice
    9. +2
      25 June 2021 16: 17
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Everyone has their own truth. The British will say: but we asked permission from Ukraine to pass through their waters, and they gave us permission. And what can I say to that?


      To say that these are the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, in case of violation - to politely ask to leave our borders, and in case of refusal or not understanding, to warn the violator - with warning fire, and if he does not understand and continues to violate, then with a clear conscience apply force measures, up to and including before the destruction of the vessel.

      Regarding the truth, yes, everyone has their own ... but here you need to separate the truth from reality. For example, Ukraine wants to abolish the free economic zone in Crimea, which it led in 2014, from the point of view of their legislation - everything seems to be logical, they have the right to do so, but if we return to reality, Crimea has long been the territory of Russia and lives under the laws of the Russian Federation, and the laws of Ukraine in Crimea no longer apply. In the same way, Ukraine can give as many permits for passage in the territorial waters of Crimea to foreign ships as it wants, it can even allow Great Britain to build its own naval base in Crimea, but how does this correlate with reality? The British, in any case, need to take into account that Crimea belongs to Russia, and in the event of a violation or some unfriendly actions, the consequences will not be long in coming.
  5. +4
    25 June 2021 05: 02
    Quote: parusnik
    In the event of a war with Ukraine, will we turn off the gas to the global West?

    Of course not.
    1. +5
      25 June 2021 05: 59
      Quote: certero
      Quote: parusnik
      In the event of a war with Ukraine, will we turn off the gas to the global West?
      Of course not.

      Yes, at least one Ukraine would be turned off! Then the people would have risen, tk. "mine was taken"
    2. 0
      25 June 2021 06: 07
      Quote: certero
      Quote: parusnik
      In the event of a war with Ukraine, will we turn off the gas to the global West?

      Of course not.

      This is where the global (although no, the regional European) West will be so happy that the Nord Stream is bypassing Ukraine.
  6. +2
    25 June 2021 05: 24
    The twenty-first century gave us "red lines" instead of the sacred border. And where they stretch, one headquarters knows. And what is better for us? Break the Belovezhsky agreement, or sink an enemy ship, although if you are strong, you can escort to your port. If we broke the "Polesie mockery", this tool would appear not only for our country. To destroy, not to win, this move requires a very correct decision.
    1. -3
      25 June 2021 06: 01
      Quote: nikvic46
      If we broke the "Polesie mockery", this tool would appear not only for our country. To destroy, not to win, this move requires a very correct decision.

      Regarding Ukraine, you need to both win and destroy (the Nazis)
  7. +5
    25 June 2021 05: 32
    Watson:
    - Holmes, when will the world recognize Crimea as Russian?
    Holmes:
    - It's elementary, Watson ... When Ukraine becomes Russian or never.
    1. -11
      25 June 2021 05: 46
      What long-livers Holmes and Watson ... smile lived to see the Crimean events of 2014. Anyone who composes something like that with logic and humor is not friendly.
  8. +10
    25 June 2021 05: 59
    In the West, they do not believe in the readiness of the Russian Federation for confrontation. "Poseidon" has already flown into the airspace of the Crimea. There were also enough provocations around Tarusa and Khmeimim. The Turks just shoot down and shoot.
    The Russian Federation, even at the diplomatic level, behaves obediently. Vaughn and Antonov returned to the chair.

    Iran has arrested American boats with sailors. The Islamic Republic has found courage, technology and alternative trade chains. It is difficult for them, but they do not change their sovereignty for "membership in the club".
    1. +4
      25 June 2021 07: 03
      Quote: samarin1969
      In the West, they do not believe in the readiness of the Russian Federation for confrontation.

      In the West, they are confident that all immigrants from Russia and potential migrants with tight wallets will do everything so that Russia cannot resist him.
      1. +1
        25 June 2021 07: 08
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: samarin1969
        In the West, they do not believe in the readiness of the Russian Federation for confrontation.

        In the West, they are confident that all immigrants from Russia and potential migrants with tight wallets will do everything so that Russia cannot resist him.


        And, unfortunately, the West thinks and acts very rationally. Those who "interfere with the business of the Motherland" have absolute influence on the authorities.
        1. +3
          25 June 2021 07: 17
          Quote: samarin1969
          in the West they think and act very rationally.

          There is one side to all this rationality: the West is very jealous of "profit" and "loss." Why is it still not used in Russia? So, in the West there is a progressive scale of taxation. Why is it not being introduced in Russia to slow down the speed of cash flows to "nowhere"? Maybe Western offshore zones should not have any impact on production in Russia?
          Although ... Why is this all?
  9. -7
    25 June 2021 06: 03
    Of course, everything is silent about the obvious. About the fact that the return by Russia of its Crimea is a process of collecting stones. And collecting the scattered imperial stones is the work of rebuilding the Empire. In other words, a lump that climbs into the box does not want to admit that it is a lump. And if he himself does not want to recognize himself as who he is, so what to expect that others would recognize him as a burden.
    Putin's word from the Empire jar. Because he was a member of the Communist Party of the SS, and to any communist the term Empire is like a red bull. It was not in vain that the Romanov Empire was destroyed. Anyone
    to a liberal the word “Empire” is the same, because it was not in vain that the Red Empire of the USSR was destroyed. But we have to
    take into account that while you draw the red line for others, you yourself may not draw the red line by others, but by History. Here is the non-recognition and misunderstanding that, having regained Crimea, Russia began the path of rebuilding the Empire, and there is that red line drawn by History for Russia, and this line is drawn because this is a line until when Russia retreats and destroys itself. And to cross this red line means to save Russia, because it can exist only with the status of an Empire.
    So crossing this red line means that there is a destructive state for Russia to the red line, and beyond the red line there is the empire's path to save Russia ...
    1. 0
      25 June 2021 06: 35
      You are healthy? Do you understand what you are talking about?
      1. +2
        25 June 2021 07: 04
        Quote: carstorm 11
        You are healthy? Do you understand what you are talking about?

        and you reasonably refute my comment, then we'll see which of us have possible health problems ...
    2. +2
      25 June 2021 07: 01
      Quote: north 2
      Fishing season from the word Empire to jar.

      Throw you insert this word to the point and without. A change in power and economic formation, when the profit from the production and sale of natural resources will go to the development of the country and the infrastructure of the economy - this is what can be jarring.
      Yes
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  10. -1
    25 June 2021 06: 37
    Drown? Easily. Just as easily as "fired at", "bombed on course" and "expelled from the territorial waters of the Russian Federation." They will tell on TV how they "sunk", and Alexander Staver will write another angry article. In this parallel reality, anything is possible.
    1. 0
      25 June 2021 12: 20
      As easy as "bombarded"

      Lying again. The articles wrote that they had opened warning fire. Can you catch the difference? I understand that yes, but if you don't mess with Russia, then you won't sleep.
  11. +2
    25 June 2021 06: 56
    the global West will not just give up world domination ...

    I wonder why the dominant West, represented by some NATO destroyer, never paraded in the territorial waters of the DPRK after Ng's statements about the available nuclear weapons?
    Simply put, they want to intimidate us again, to take on weakly, if you like.

    Simply put, until we show in reality what a “Dagger” or “Zircon” is and how it affects the seaworthiness of “different, everyone”, everything will be on the verge of a foul.
    1. +3
      25 June 2021 07: 55
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Simply put, until we show in reality what a “Dagger” or “Zircon” is and how it affects the seaworthiness of “different, everyone”, everything will be on the verge of a foul.


      it will not give anything .. we still have something to drown it. what in this situation will Zircon give in service? here it is a matter of confidence that we will not use weapons to kill. but not what we have ...
  12. +13
    25 June 2021 07: 06
    The arrogant once again loudly clicked us on the nose, and our "oak" Ministry of Defense and "wooden" zomboyaschik helped them.
    They showed solidarity with Bandera.
    They have made it clear that they do not recognize our warnings, restrictions, red lines and state borders.
    They showed that our fleet has nothing to oppose them even in our own territorial waters in the immediate vicinity of the main base.
    They showed total superiority in the information field and complete mediocrity of our would-be propagandists.

    You can't watch the video that our border guards showed without tears.
    A belated salvo in pursuit of a far-off offender ...
    And shooting from airplanes ..... where are the means of objective control, are they even there? Or they also turned out to be from Chinese unusable microcircuits.
    All this is sad.

    And on the other hand, Staver proposes war? Are we ready?
    We don't even have our own potatoes / carrots,
    The NATO countries with which he calls to fight are still our main trading partners, but here the whole country will stop without any nuclear bombing.
    1. +1
      25 June 2021 09: 17
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      The impudent once again loudly clicked us on the nose,

      "Clicked" with what? By breaking the border? This is how they have been doing this since the beginning of the Cold War.
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      They showed solidarity with Bandera.

      After getting out of the Crimean waters under our pressure?
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      They have made it clear that they do not recognize our warnings, restrictions, red lines and state borders.

      By stating that it was a "Russian live-fire exercise"?
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      They showed that our fleet has nothing to oppose them even in our own territorial waters.

      Uh ...? On any part of the border, sea or land, the border guards are the first to step in. And in this case, it turned out to be quite enough. How can we conclude from this that the Black Sea Fleet has nothing to oppose to one destroyer? Riddle.
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      They showed total superiority in the information field and complete mediocrity of our would-be propagandists.

      Probably precisely because of the "total western superiority in the information field and the mediocrity of our would-be propagandists", the broadcasting of Russian TV channels and social networks is prohibited in the West.
      1. +1
        25 June 2021 10: 32
        Quote: Lesovik
        After getting out of the Crimean waters under our pressure?

        Not funny. They went their course where they pleased and defiantly did not pay attention to our attempts to squeeze them out.
        By stating that it was a "Russian live-fire exercise"?

        That's it. Like there was some kind of sound somewhere under the bench, it has nothing to do with us.
        "Only the Russians themselves know who and where they were shooting, and we were far away."
        On any part of the border, sea or land, the frontier guards are the first to step in. And in this case, it turned out to be quite enough.

        Sufficient for what?
        To amuse the whole world with your clumsy attempts to "spit in the back" of the intruder, from whom you are hopelessly lagging behind so that you can't even see through every binocular?
        in the West, the broadcasting of Russian TV channels and social networks is prohibited.

        They can afford it. Including this, too, is achieved total superiority.
        1. -1
          25 June 2021 10: 48
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          They took their course wherever they pleased and defiantly

          And they went out where they were "asked."
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Like there was some kind of sound under the bench, it has nothing to do with us.

          But they preferred to leave the terrorists after the "sounds under the bench". So sensitive and gentle that they were scared of some sounds?
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          so hopelessly behind

          And where is the hurry? To accidentally please under your own "sounds under the bench"?
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          that you can’t see through every binocular?

          If the camera has seen it, then you can see it even in a blind man with glasses, and not in binoculars, so and so ...
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          They can afford it.

          Because they cannot cope with "would-be propaganda" otherwise. If they had superiority in propaganda, prohibiting would not be required.
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 11: 50
            Quote: Lesovik
            But they preferred to dump the terrorists after the "sounds under the bench

            Yeahhhh?
            Why then did the bombing take place?
            The Angles walked as they walked for another 10 minutes, in their previous course, and they wanted to spit on all our warnings
            By the way, where is the video from the planes?
            If everything is as sad there as with the border guards, then yes, it is better not to show it.
            To accidentally please under your own "sounds under the bench"?

            Those. are you saying that our ships fly faster than cannon shells from their cannon?
            Very funny.
            Or do our shells fly slower than ships ???
            1. -3
              25 June 2021 11: 56
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              Why then did the bombing take place?

              What bombing? Well this
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              there was some kind of sound under the bench, it has nothing to do with us.

              Quote: Jacket in stock
              By the way, where is the video from the planes?
              If everything is as sad there as with the border guards,

              Well yes. It is not customary for us to patrol the borders, attracting professional operators to shoot high-quality video for you ...
              1. 0
                25 June 2021 12: 15
                Quote: Lesovik
                high-quality video shoot ...

                I have no complaints about the quality of the picture, but the content ...
                We were clearly shown that our border guard lagged far, far away. And he shot somewhere "there", without any hope that his shells would scare someone. And even then, the difference in speed is one and a half times !!!?
                But the quality of the picture from the plane is scary. If this is indeed what the pilots see through their "sights", as our TV told us, then I do not envy them at all.
          2. -3
            25 June 2021 14: 12
            Quote: Lesovik
            If they had superiority in propaganda, prohibiting would not be required.

            Well, you swat the mosquito buzzing over your ear, even if it does not bite you.
      2. +2
        25 June 2021 10: 34
        Quote: Lesovik
        After getting out of the Crimean waters under our pressure?

        And without your pressure, they would have anchored there or what?
      3. -2
        25 June 2021 15: 39
        in the West, the broadcasting of Russian TV channels and social networks is prohibited.

        Your words do not correspond to reality - there are no bans on the activities of the same RT in Western Europe.
  13. -2
    25 June 2021 07: 16
    Why not a Black Sea country, a naval base at the World Cup? They still cannot be there for a long time. Why replicate this nonsense?
    1. +3
      25 June 2021 07: 26
      Quote: Mikhail Ya2
      Why not a Black Sea country, a naval base at the World Cup? They still can't be there for long

      And what will prevent them from being there for a long time?
      Are you talking about the Montreux convention? So there it is not written about the bases. Only about individual ships.
      Rotation will be done.
      But the entire coastal infrastructure.
      1. -1
        25 June 2021 07: 36
        There are 3 Black Sea countries NATO members. Why do they need a base in Ukraine? For the 25 days that they can enter, they have where to moor.
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 11: 44
          Quote: Mikhail Ya2
          they have where to moor

          Yes, it is clear that there is.
          But the clearing must be staked out.
          1. -6
            25 June 2021 11: 50
            But really, NATO had 25 years of independent Ukraine to set up its bases even in Odessa, even in the Crimea. But they didn't, and they never intended to.
            1. -1
              25 June 2021 12: 20
              Quote: Mikhail Ya2
              But they didn't, and they never intended to.

              Do you know for sure what they were going to do or not?
              The TV says they were going.
              However, figs with him, that was. Now they have definitely gathered, and even built something.
  14. +11
    25 June 2021 07: 18

    The photo in the article illustrates its quality very well. It depicts the British destroyer Exeter (D89) Type 42, decommissioned and sold for scrap ten years ago, in the Trondheim fjord during the Teamwork '92 exercise twenty years ago.
    That is, the author's understanding of the situation is about the same as the correspondence of a photograph to the events described by the author.

    And this is HMS Defender (D36).
  15. 0
    25 June 2021 08: 10
    Another red line has been passed.

    The red line designated and this is accepted by the entire "civilized" World.
    How else to understand - where is she? The world believes only in deeds, not in words.
  16. +4
    25 June 2021 08: 25
    Ours masterfully learned to draw red lines. There is a suspicion that we will paint all the way to Moscow.
  17. +4
    25 June 2021 08: 44
    Quote: Gardamir
    when cooperatives, congresses and presidents appeared, then only the name remained

    There were cooperatives in the Soviet Union all the time of its existence. Exactly like the collective farm markets and cooperative shops. The point was quite different.
  18. +1
    25 June 2021 08: 50
    Another red line has been passed. Then just drown
    Even in the USSR, to which Russia loses militarily, they did not think of this ...
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  20. 0
    25 June 2021 09: 06
    Yes, everything is correct in the comments.
    And the photo is not that, screwed up,
    And the text is not the same "It seems to me ...." - eternal Khokhlo-conclusions of the media ...
  21. -3
    25 June 2021 09: 23
    It is necessary to carry out mining from planes directly along the course, followed by mine encirclement. And after they stop, sort it out. Install a double boom at the Kerch bridge. Install minefields in the most problematic places with notification and reflection on maps.
  22. +4
    25 June 2021 09: 24
    Since 45, the Americans have violated the borders of the USSR. Mostly by airplanes. They began to shoot them down, began to violate the planes at high altitudes. Shot down in 1961 at high altitude with Powers' rocket, they stopped flying altogether. Likewise at sea. In 1988 they violated by two ships in the Crimea region, ours drove them out "in bulk". They constantly provoke us, they check to what limit we will reach. People behave the way they are allowed to behave.
    If we sink someone, nothing bad will happen. The main thing is that he drowned in accordance with the norms of international law, that is, on our territory, so that no one had any doubts that he had violated the border.
    1. 0
      25 June 2021 11: 01
      Quote: glory1974
      The main thing is that he drowned in accordance with the norms of international law, that is, on our territory
      Slava, it’s hardly so unambiguous. As written below in the comment (BAI).
      from the point of view of current international law - Crimea is Ukraine and all incidents there occur in UKRAINIAN WATERS!


      Also, you can add another comment (Tavrik (Evgeny)).
      To begin with, the "imperials" propose to collect from abroad their relatives, friends, real estate and accounts.
      This is in our power. In general, what is needed is a new Soviet Union and people's power, not newly-minted billionaires and party renegades dependent on the West.
  23. +2
    25 June 2021 09: 27
    The demonstration was sanctioned by B. Johnson himself and it was agreed with the Pentagon, which clearly indicates a deliberate undermining of the results of the summit in Geneva. Neither Britain, nor the EU, nor the United States needs a constructive dialogue now. Any attempts to fix it will be torpedoed, that's all. Now it is important how Biden personally reacts to this. From his publicly recorded tough position, either a real turn towards detente can begin, or the slide towards conflict will continue. Because Johnson, with this provocation, indicated a real alternative to his attempts to neutralize the Russian Federation for a while. Not smart like Mei, what to take from him?
  24. +1
    25 June 2021 09: 43
    Quote: Hammer
    It's a pity our fleet is not the same as in the USSR,

    It is a pity that our country is not the USSR at all.
  25. +3
    25 June 2021 09: 48
    Quote: north 2
    And collecting the scattered imperial stones is the work of rebuilding the Empire.

    To begin with, the "imperials" propose to collect from abroad their relatives, friends, real estate and accounts.
  26. 0
    25 June 2021 09: 59
    You need to change your mindset from land rats to sea rats. In our country, even in the most remote and deserted corners, there are a lot of crazy sovereign people who drive people from the sea and shoot their own fishermen. A friend, having received permission to go to Kerch, went to the west for spearfishing on the rocks of Cape Opuk and was frightened by the military so much that he sold the yacht. Another friend in Primorye went fishing 100 km north of Dalnegorsk. He put up a tent and was immediately frightened by people in camouflage uniforms with machine guns who were extorting money for violating the sanitary regime in an area 150 meters from the sea (this is in the deep taiga). The entire coast north of Kerch on the Sea of ​​Azov near Cape Tarkhan is littered with prohibiting posters - such as the passage of personal vehicles is prohibited. If we drive people from the sea, we will never become a sea nation because children will not learn marine skills in the family. Instead of softening laws and encouraging people to practice on the water, we spend huge amounts of money on bans and encourage unpunished shooting at sea.
  27. BAI
    -2
    25 June 2021 10: 27
    1. I have repeatedly written that conflicts with violation of Russia's maritime borders tend to escalate and their number will increase.
    2. He also wrote that in order to solve these problems, the Russian Navy needs a special ejector ship (large, with a strong hull, preferably fast enough) to solve such issues by the bulk method, without resorting to weapons, which is fraught with the most unpredictable consequences.
    3. In the Black Sea, the situation is special. All authors and readers (especially the "News" section) do not want to see and understand that from the point of view of the current international law - Crimea, this is Ukraine and all incidents there occur in UKRAINIAN WATERS! If anything - Russia will be the culprit and accused of pirate actions in foreign territorial waters. Although the law is duru, it is still est. In this case, Russia is considered only because it is militarily strong. Strong laws are not written!
    While we can say unequivocally: provocations will continue in increasing numbers, and they will serve as the basis for new sanctions.
  28. -1
    25 June 2021 10: 42
    The author knows something, but does not finish? The British forces of the international special forces detachment were ready to board in case of bulk?
  29. 0
    25 June 2021 10: 51
    Thank God our staff officers have discovered an interesting way that will allow us not to drown.
    Now it is necessary to throw the ofab closer and closer with each violation.
    At 200 meters, the radar will begin to pierce the canvases.
    At 100, the crew will hide in the compartments and the ship will have to go for repairs.
    At 50, the water hammer will be such that the sailors will require insurance.
    I think that everything will end there, but if it does not end, then you can hit in the nose and say well, we do not have high-precision weapons, sorry missed. laughing
    1. 0
      25 June 2021 11: 41
      Quote: bk316
      Thank God our staff officers have discovered an interesting way that will allow us not to drown.
      Now it is necessary to throw the ofab closer and closer with each violation.

      This is the fantasy of the author of the article. The video above was posted as our border guards on a patrol boat scared a 30 mm "pukalka" ship with a 114 mm "pukalka" laughing
      1. +2
        25 June 2021 12: 49
        This is the fantasy of the author of the article.

        Well, certainly not the author, the news is on all the feeds.
        But in any case, the method is open.
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 12: 55
          Quote: bk316
          news on all feeds.

          The sabotage of our media laughing
          Quote: bk316
          But in any case, the method is open.

          A 30mm "fart" does not really scare such a ship, the method is so-so, next time he can in response next to his 114mm "fart" can scare the boat, what then to do?
          Then it is not clear from the video whether he was really scared to get into the area of ​​shelling of 30mm shells or even did not change his course. There is a gluing between the salvo and the change in course. It is not at all clear how much time has passed.
          1. +2
            25 June 2021 13: 04
            114mm "fart" can scare the boat, what then to do?

            If off the coast of England, then of course it can, but our border guards do not go there.
            And if in our waterways on our ship - they will definitely drown. About 3 minutes. laughing
            Therefore, it will never open, the Anglics are not and d and o s, for this there are the guys from 404 ...
          2. -1
            25 June 2021 13: 06
            There is a gluing between the salvo and the change in course

            Look more closely, he changed the course even BEFORE the volley.
            So for good it was possible not to shoot, but an order is an order.
            1. +1
              25 June 2021 13: 16
              Quote: bk316
              Look more closely, he changed the course even BEFORE the volley.
              So for good it was possible not to shoot, but an order is an order.

              Yes, in general, it seems that a huge, many thousand-ton ship managed to break away from our boat so that the video camera could not bring it closer as before. So yes, maybe it was not necessary to shoot. Apparently, at first, they did not shoot at all, they thought, and then when he had already started to swim away they decided to fire a volley. Borders of the 80th lvl what to say.
              1. 0
                25 June 2021 14: 48
                Yes, it looks like a huge, many thousand-ton ship has managed to break away from our boat.

                So this ... The larger (longer) a displacement vessel, the faster it can go laughing
                This is no joke with this ship theory begins.
                1. -1
                  25 June 2021 14: 55
                  Quote: bk316
                  So this ... The larger the displacement ship, the faster it can go.
                  This is no joke with this ship theory begins.

                  Che? Newton's second law canceled? See the difference in speed between boats, even without fenders / cushions, and big boats! Completely "went"!
                  1. +2
                    25 June 2021 15: 33
                    Che? Newton's second law canceled?

                    Didn't you know? laughing
                    This is not a school physics course, it's more complicated.
                    If in my mind, I'm afraid it will be hard to explain, even with my education I had to move in for half a day.
                    If in a philistine it is so (just do not beat me colleagues of mathematics).

                    The vessel in displacement mode begins to drive a wave in front of it.
                    And he himself begins to climb on it, his nose lifts up.
                    The faster the ship goes, the more, and most importantly, the longer the wave.
                    And the more energy the ship spends on the formation of a wave.
                    At some point, this moment depends on the ratio of the length of the ship to the wavelength,
                    all the energy is spent on its education.
                    Maximum displacement speed is proportional to the square root of the ship's waterline length.
                    Here read the same thing but in beautiful words.
                    http://amcsailing.ru/glossarij/37.html

                    All modern boats are planing boats, for this you do not need wings or an air cushion at all - a flat section of the bottom is enough.
                    The trouble is that there is no seaworthiness in the planing mode - you can't go on a speedboat on a wave. Therefore, sea vessels are displacement. And yes, I forgot to write why the actual modes are called so. In displacement, the vessel is kept on the surface of the water due to the force of Archimedes, and on a speedboat due to the "repulsion" of the flat part of the vessel is given from
                    incompressible fluid.
                    Here's an interesting article.
                    https://motolodka.ru/forms.htm
                    1. -1
                      25 June 2021 16: 18
                      Quote: bk316
                      This is not a school physics course, it's more complicated.
                      If in my mind, I'm afraid it will be hard to explain, even with my education I had to move in for half a day.
                      If in a philistine it is so (just do not beat me colleagues of mathematics).

                      It looks like you may have passed the school course at 5, but did not understand anything, but it's really hard to figure it out, and 5 will be given for cramming.
                      Quote: bk316
                      The vessel in displacement mode begins to drive a wave in front of it.
                      And he himself begins to climb on it, his nose lifts up.
                      The faster the ship goes, the more, and most importantly, the longer the wave.
                      And the more energy the ship spends on the formation of a wave.
                      At some point, this moment depends on the ratio of the length of the ship to the wavelength,
                      all the energy is spent on its education.
                      Maximum displacement speed is proportional to the square root of the ship's waterline length.

                      Oh .... Consider the subject of the dispute displacement vessels (without planing \ wings \ ...).
                      The wave is formed due to the fact that the body moves in the medium, this is a consequence of the resistance of the medium. Consider a body with an engine moving in a gas or liquid. The force of gravity is compensated by the lifting / buoyancy force, we do not consider it. The force of the engine accelerates the body until the resistance of the medium is equal to the thrust of the engine. The resistance of the medium depends on the maximum area of ​​the body onto which the particles of the medium fall (Midel's area), the square of the body's velocity, the density of the medium, the length of the body (friction of the sides of the body against the medium during movement), and the shape of the body. Naturally, a huge ship with the same body shape has a larger area of ​​the Midel of the underwater part and the area of ​​its sides (underwater) in comparison with its small analogue. And therefore, he spends more energy on the formation of a wave. And therefore, with the same engines, he cannot be physically faster than a small one.
                      I read the link. In general, I did not understand the formula. Look at the classic military courts for yourself. And small ships are usually much faster several times longer than cruisers / destroyers.
                      A wave is not something super-complicated, but simply the compression of the medium in one place and the transfer of the forces of this compression through the entire medium, followed by attenuation. The body moving through the medium naturally compresses it a little at any speed.
                      Wings, planing boats, air cushions and so on are simply trying to reduce the colossal (due to density and low compressibility) water resistance, but there is still resistance to air movement that also does not like large long bodies.
                    2. -1
                      25 June 2021 16: 32
                      Quote: bk316
                      The vessel in displacement mode begins to drive a wave in front of it.
                      And he himself begins to climb on it, his nose lifts up.

                      Yes, at the beginning I did not understand this extra argument, but nothing works like that. In order for the nose to lift up, the engine needs to compress (accelerate) the medium so strongly that this compressed medium lifts the ship. In boats, this works both for planing and hydrofoils because they are small and light, like you are going to lift a long 10000 ton ship, I xs what engine power is needed to accelerate the ship so that it rises and reduces its resistance to the underwater part. The speed for such a colossal colossal should be. The winged Lun (light) like about 130 km / h began to glide, but then EMNIP. Maybe I'm confusing with him.
                    3. -1
                      25 June 2021 17: 35
                      Quote: bk316
                      The trouble is that there is no seaworthiness in the planing mode - you can't go on a speedboat on a wave. Therefore, sea-going vessels

                      I would argue with this statement, of course, the seaworthiness of planing ships is not at all, but perhaps the fact is that the boats are just light. The mass grows like a cube of size and the area of ​​the contacting surface is just like a square. Consequently, for the planing of huge vessels, high speeds are needed. What do you think of it?
                      Quote: bk316
                      ... In displacement, the vessel is kept on the surface of the water due to the force of Archimedes, and on a speedboat due to the "repulsion" of the flat part of the vessel is given from
                      incompressible fluid.

                      As if I don't know that. But maybe, although I know this, from the height of my education, please tell us briefly how the "planing" takes place. Specifically why the ship is pushed off the water.
    2. -2
      25 June 2021 14: 28
      Then they just shoot down our plane. Nenuache? The Turks are allowed, the Azerbaijanis are allowed, and why the British are not allowed?
      Do we need it? What is it all for?
  30. +1
    25 June 2021 10: 51
    Quote: ont65
    Now it is important how Biden personally reacts to this. From his publicly recorded tough position, either a real turn towards detente can begin, or the slide towards conflict will continue. Because Johnson, with this provocation, indicated a real alternative to his attempts to neutralize the Russian Federation for a while. Not smart like Mei, what to take from him?

    The interests of Biden and Johnson, or rather of the power groups they represent, most likely do not coincide. Hence Johnson's attempt to play his game in Ukraine, with Turkey, etc.
  31. -5
    25 June 2021 11: 12
    Remarkably against a warship with the world's best naval air defense, they sent a border patrol with a fart and planes with bombs and not anti-ship missiles. If something happened, he would melt all ours like kittens!
    1. +1
      25 June 2021 13: 00
      If something happened, he would melt all ours like kittens!

      And if something happened, he would have instantly received a volley from the bastions.
      And what would he interestingly drown with?
      Are you from 404 or what? Do not disgrace yourself, before you write on his weapons, look ...
      This is not a drummer or a berk-type wagon - this is an air defense destroyer.

      the world's best naval air defense

      And why the hell did the Type 45 have the best naval air defense?
      1. 0
        25 June 2021 13: 58
        Quote: bk316
        And if something happened, he would have instantly received a volley from the bastions.
        And what would he interestingly drown with?

        Expert! Ordinary people are usually not very aware of this, but modern ships can easily shoot at ships with an anti-aircraft missile. For Aster-30, in contrast to the Standard Missions, which the Americans fired at enemy ships in a real war, I certainly cannot guarantee 100%, but the likelihood that Aster-30 can be used as an ersatz anti-ship missile system is very high, given their size and the fact that the ship is modern ... It is unlikely that the British did not put such a "tasty" opportunity into their ship.
        1. +1
          25 June 2021 14: 26
          The common people are usually not very aware of this, but modern ships can easily shoot at ships with an anti-aircraft missile.

          They can, of course, and the S-300 can. Just as an ersatz. laughing
          Only
          1. About Aster 30, no one has ever said anything like that, and I have not read anything about such teachings either.
          2. High-altitude ballistic trajectory.
          3. Mass OFBCH 15 kg, how many should they get into the BDK to drown?
          4. How many Asters-30 are there? part of that 15 should be for layered air defense.
          5. Having released air defense missiles, the destroyer will remain defenseless. Do you think the Anglicans will do this?

          In general, he does not have a heater laughing ... Classic air defense / missile defense destroyer. But the burke is still better. By the way, regarding the lack of shock capabilities, he even has the Anti-Air Warfare Destroyer class, not the Destroyer

          1. -1
            25 June 2021 17: 11
            Quote: bk316
            1. About Aster 30, no one has ever said anything like that, and I have not read anything about such teachings either.

            The military is silent about a lot of things, but once in the media ( wassat ) no then I agree
            Quote: bk316
            2. High-altitude ballistic trajectory.

            Many military boats, corvettes and even some old / unsuccessful frigates (and even some old but operating destroyers lol ) such a weak air defense that a massive launch from 5-10 of such missiles, even along such a "pale" trajectory, will still result in a unit hit. And for some boats and corvettes, 1 missile will be enough for the "eyes".
            Quote: bk316
            3. Mass OFBCH 15 kg, how many should they get into the BDK to drown?

            Well, you just BDK and even drown. Still, Yamato would have been taken. A modern ship is crammed with radars, so if the fragments hit one of the main radars, the ship risks being left without its main weapon, anti-ship missiles or missiles, for example.
            Quote: bk316
            By the way, regarding the lack of shock capabilities, he even has the Anti-Air Warfare Destroyer class, not the Destroyer

            Well, in fairness, he still has 8 Harpoons.
  32. -3
    25 June 2021 11: 28
    It's all somehow small.
    It was necessary to act as in 2008 with Georgian boats.
    Draw a cartoon where the heroic Black Sea Fleet consisting of 3 thermonuclear (supersecret) aircraft carriers leads and, naturally, wins the battle with the backward HMS of the British. It would be fine. And here....
    Well, gentlemen, the Russian national idea, cultivated in "patriotic" circles, "To live in shit and prepare for war," looks funny, but strange from the outside. You would better advocate for raising the middle class from 250 euros, at least to 1000. Maybe then people will reach out to you. Heaters, damn it ...
  33. +2
    25 June 2021 12: 30
    And no one guessed them to plant a German WWII mine in the fairway? :)
  34. 0
    25 June 2021 12: 37
    And why is pr. 42 in the photo, and even an old one, with a short nose? That the photo of pr. 45 is not on the Internet?))))
  35. -2
    25 June 2021 12: 49
    Further - only to drown or only retreat to Moscow. Alternative!
  36. 0
    25 June 2021 13: 17
    Again, NATO will not send its sailors or pilots into battle with Russia. But today the overwhelming majority of conscripts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Navy are entering the army with the confidence that if they have to fight with someone, it will be Russian Ivan. Alas, this is exactly the case.


    Most run away from the army, and two percent of the Bandera supporters are present, but they are brave only in a crowd and about fighting more with the civilian population ...
  37. 0
    25 June 2021 14: 33
    By the way, the question of planned provocation will certainly arise. To which I have a counter-question. Dear sailors and military personnel - maritime border guards, did you have a lot of journalists on your ships dangling around idle during the campaigns?

    The same "Zvezda" quite often conducts reports from the ships.
    The only thing that the correspondents do not say in anticipation of "we are on the border of the waters of the American (or some other) Democracy", as was the case with the bibisical party.
  38. -1
    25 June 2021 14: 34
    It's not worth drowning right away, but hitting the engine so that the ship loses its speed will have to be done.

    And be prepared that in case of resistance you will have to attack him for real.

    There is no other choice, otherwise they will first walk in our territorial waters whenever they want, and then they will land in the Crimea.
  39. AS
    -1
    25 June 2021 15: 31
    Some comments are "more interesting" than the article itself ... All you need to fight. What for? Well, think about it, the boat entered the "territorial waters of Ukraine", according to the official NATO version. No one passed near OUR shore, they did not hear the warning. So what's the problem? And we didn't see anyone. Have you lost your ship? No, we did not take .. From Ukraine and ask.
  40. -3
    25 June 2021 16: 31
    I think Crimea is ours and do not agree only with how the accession (return) was performed. And who else in the world considers Crimea to be Russian, and the waters in which the destroyer followed, ours? Taking into account these circumstances, as well as the fact that we do not have any real fleet in the Black Sea, we continue to sit on the priest evenly and puff out our cheeks with greatness.
  41. 0
    25 June 2021 16: 43
    Quote: carstorm 11
    I'm talking about escorting to the naval base.

    This was done by the DPRK fleet when it captured Pueblo and it is still on display in the museum.
  42. 0
    25 June 2021 16: 50
    about "legal to prove" ... here the answer is one: "bad, good, the main thing is who has a gun!" .. So here, in the event of a conflict, everyone will have their own truth and the one who turns out to be stronger will win, and fight 1-2 ships off the coast of Russia, stuffed with RTOs, BO FSB ships and coastal missile systems ...
  43. +1
    25 June 2021 17: 08
    Next time for lovers of sea voyages abroad, we will send to warn to bomb not a sniper pilot, but a young and inexperienced in military diplomacy and bombing. More bomb load, let the guy improve his bombing skills. Well, if he accidentally drops it on the "tourists" well, he's an inexperienced friend. You see, he wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.
  44. +1
    25 June 2021 17: 08
    In the course of the case, the United States sold the colony of England for the construction of bases, they themselves did not want to build.
  45. +1
    25 June 2021 17: 11
    what a nafig mistake if the Air Force on the air before crossing the border shows how a provocateur on a ship can start up with a weapon in combat. They definitely knew where and why they were going.
    It is necessary to somehow learn how to use unmanned torpedo submarines that could descend and patrol in the immediate vicinity in such provocations. And even with the possibility of undermining in the immediate vicinity to make it impossible or to carry out damage control classes on the troughs ... And all to be written off as an accidental explosion of mines from World War II.
    But direct bombing and drowning is still not good.
  46. 0
    25 June 2021 17: 41
    Ask yourself one question. What a Superpower would do in a similar situation. For example, a destroyer from China crawls into US Territorial Waters. Ignores Coast Guard warning fire. What would the US do?
    For example, some vessel of the Japanese Navy in 1975 (before the cancer of "perestroika and democracy" destroyed the USSR) crawls into the territorial waters of the USSR and ignores orders to stop. Would you sink? Maybe. Would you open fire to kill? (See Korean airliner with reconnaissance equipment which was absolutely correctly shot down by the USSR Air Force). And now it is an indistinct mumbler. Bombs on course. Warning fire on course. And then another mines of defense declares that instead of bombs that can "inflict emotional trauma on the crew of an enemy destroyer," I need to use nourses, perhaps even with paralon warheads, NERF. And after that, you SERIOUSLY want to be perceived as a Superpower? Do you REALLY want China to make a military alliance with you? I think that if instead of "bombs on course" we cut in on a British destroyer with electronic warfare, so that all the electronics on it would fail. And then say "If you have a problem, we will tow you to our nearest port." And that's all. And then figure out how to give the destroyer to Britain and how quickly. And then let the British PROVE that they are not camels and their navigation system has failed BEFORE they were driven over by means of electronic warfare. No one will fight for the sake of one destroyer.
    But I think that you will still receive NURS with a paralon warhead. We ask where the kids and the money of your (or rather not yours) so-called "elites" are. In Europe, especially in England. Do you seriously think that these "elites" will take a risk with their palaces and loot in London, where there is even a district "Moscow on Temse", for the sake of Russia? Why even the latest liberal gNid @ in the USA, for example Maxine Waters, no matter how much she hates the USA, but her children and money and real estate are in the USA, and not, say, in Russia or China.
    There was a provocation, to which Russia, instead of answering, once again "expressed concern." What does it mean? That Russia showed weakness and indecision. (And who needs a military or economic alliance with a weak and indecisive country), and provocations will be repeated further and further and further. And more and more. Remind you how the order "Do not respond to provocations" ended in 1941? June 22 was recently. This is so, a hint.
    Understand that in politics RESPECT AND FEAR ONLY FORCE, military, economic and scientific. Apply it together with DECISION. Together with KNOWLEDGE when and how much. And "preoccupations" that are not backed up by anything are wiped up in the outhouse.
    1. 0
      28 June 2021 03: 29
      I completely share your opinion!
  47. +1
    25 June 2021 17: 50
    Boris-Shaggy is inadequate, this one can really repeat.
  48. 0
    25 June 2021 20: 03
    I have a plan, I share it in confidence - next time in such a situation, from the board of a fishing vessel a message - that a mine was seen, preferably two, from the time of the Second World War. Military minesweepers came out, but did not have time.
  49. -1
    25 June 2021 20: 59
    Another red line has been passed. Then just drown

    Well, it's not worth drowning, they are already cowardly .. But you need to scare them by all means and all over the world .. Just to see us in the water area or in the air, they scattered immediately ..
    With Russians, jokes are bad, that's what you need to press into their brain with force!
  50. -2
    25 June 2021 21: 35
    My opinion is. You have to judge by the results. In a nutshell. The British prepared and deliberately went to the provocation (to show that the coast of Crimea is Ukraine, and they can go wherever they want with the consent of Ukraine). And the British succeeded, they passed their marked route, despite the threats of the Russian Navy. Shooting from patrol boats and bombing kilometers from the destroyer did not in any way affect the actions of the KV Navy. The British did not even admit the fact of shelling and bombing. So we will wait for the next provocations.
    Kelsey was right in saying that Russia has shown its weakness. And strength only understands strength. The British were not allowed to enter Russian territory. I don't know how, by ramming, shelling, bombing, but you can't. We lost this round.
  51. -1
    26 June 2021 05: 58
    Quote: BAI
    He also wrote that to solve these problems, the Russian Navy needs a special ship - an ejector (large, with

    You just need to have the balls and use weapons on the intruder. After that, the next one won't fit.
    for some reason, the USA and Britain don’t have any ejector ships
  52. -2
    26 June 2021 08: 57
    There will never be an order to drown!, because... All high-ranking bosses have relatives and property acquired through exorbitant labor, located where all these destroyers are coming from!
    1. +2
      26 June 2021 09: 17
      If so, then why bother with provocations at all? Crimea would have been given to them anyway, with bows and apologies. Or is this too complex a thought?
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  54. +1
    26 June 2021 09: 44
    It seems to me that they were planning to play the chemical card. attacks with the same beloved Newbie.
    After entering our waters, the crew and even the journalists put on chemical suits. protection.
    As the author correctly pointed out, a ramming was expected and in the process the evil Russians would allegedly use a chemical warfare agent. For example, BBC correspondent Bill or something like that would have suffered.
    At the Charité clinic they would again determine Novichok poisoning, etc. and so on.
    Uncreative people with poor ingenuity.
  55. -1
    26 June 2021 14: 56
    My subjective opinion. When we came in (video recording, from all angles) we had to hit under the stern and run aground..... near Fiolent. An ideal option with all other disadvantages. There is only one minus - when we start not writing and pointing on fences, but slapping turnips.
  56. -4
    26 June 2021 14: 58
    Russia again reacted cowardly, impotently...where is the full video of the shooting, where is the full video of the bombing? is this a response to an obvious provocation with a correspondent and special forces from different countries on board(?)?! How were you going to catch up with the slow-moving ones, only aviation? there is no sober analysis - only cartoonish mischief...
  57. 0
    26 June 2021 15: 07
    I wonder what is being done to make life more difficult for that “shitty Britain”? Is this being done not only in military terms, but in principle? Or are we heroically holding the defense as always? But as we know, any defense will sooner or later be broken through without counterattacks. But we end up with an eternal siege. Or are we waiting until they themselves all bend under the weight of capitalism? I once listened to a very competent historian: he expressed the idea that the Russian Federation, after the collapse of the USSR, nevertheless assumed quite specific vassal obligations, just like Germany after the 45th. It’s just difficult to explain otherwise the passivity of the Russian Federation and the impudence of the same Britons. I would understand if there were times of the Crimean War, when “the sun never set on Britain.” But now she is weak. Apparently this is the only thing that saves us from another Crimean war, in which, by the way, for some reason we recognized ourselves as the losing side.
  58. -1
    26 June 2021 16: 18
    I’m curious, where were all these “khibiny” and other means of disconnecting everything in the Republic of Belarus...
    Why didn't they turn off everything and everyone, like they did with Donald, who...
    and where is the video of the shelling and bombing...
    Neither ours nor the Padlo-Saxons posted this, although they were filming...
    ----
    As for the “red lines”, the Kremlin has them like fleas on a mongrel...
    just remember the rustication on Red Square...
  59. -1
    26 June 2021 19: 01
    Let's face the facts. A warship of an enemy state, with no idea what was on board, entered 3 km into the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, did not respond to requests, and the armed forces of the Russian Federation threw bombs into the water and fired warning shots. This is called a kick in the ass of the Russian Federation, a serious criminal offense was committed on the territory of the Russian Federation, and our president, the Minister of Defense did not catch the offender, did not tow him to the port, and the team was not brought to trial. This is Putin’s shame, Shoigu’s complete inadequacy, inability to respond to crimes against the Russian Federation, including against its borders. And this despite the fact that the Shoigi clan has occupied many government levels of power in the Russian Federation, has gotten too greedy, and lives according to laws that are clearly NOT Russian...
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  61. -1
    26 June 2021 20: 00
    *Another red line has been crossed. Then just drown*
    Harshly.
    I saw people shooting from an AK630 into nowhere. There are no bomb drops.
    How to heat? Where to heat it? Whom to drown?
    This is war.
    Are you ready for war? I will answer no.
    We are absolutely not ready for World War III. However, as always.
    In addition, I can’t understand why the FABs should be dropped along the ship’s course....
    There are high-precision weapons. Or not?..
    Shore batteries?
    Why was it necessary to raise aviators at all?
    The ship has been escorted. When attempting to launch missiles, it is destroyed from the shore. Shooting down launched missiles serves local air defense.
    This is how I saw the development of events...
  62. -1
    27 June 2021 05: 21
    Understand the essence of this provocation!!! - maritime law!? Why do they need it!? - they decided to use this method to put pressure on our thieving nouveau riche who have settled tightly in London - freezing accounts, deporting themselves and their children, taking over real estate - in short, like with a hostile state! so they knew for sure that they would not drown or bomb.
  63. -3
    27 June 2021 10: 59
    Well, come on, “patriots,” fire and sink the NATO ship. They were already blinding the Krasukha, frightening them with MiGs and SUs so that NATO ships immediately left the Black Sea))). Just yesterday large NATO exercises began in the Black Sea. Come on, fire, everything is nearby. You can, at the same time, sink the entire sixth fleet with watercraft that imitate a squadron in the Mediterranean.
  64. -1
    28 June 2021 03: 27
    If the fleet is practically coasting and does not pose a great threat to the enemy, then of course there is nothing better than “bulk rams”. The Ukrainian leadership will soon, with the help of NATO and the British, acquire a couple of three ships for “joint operations” with the allies against us. You can rest assured that there will be people there who will be ready to take the lives of our military. There is one in Donbass! Most likely, next year there will be “bulk rams”, but already on our ships. The escalation is accelerating. Judging by the reaction of our press and fleet leaders, it is clear that the leadership is more frightened by the actions of the Black Sea Fleet and aviation than the crew of the British ship. We did not expect such determination from our Black Sea Fleet subordinates. The political will of our leadership is visible in the “tail between their legs” after realizing their own rudeness and the consequences of the use of bombs. After all, they could have damaged British property!!!! Now they will urgently develop safe fireworks and we will be filled with delight reading and hearing about the awesomeness of our fleet, which with yet another fireworks “scared another NATO ship (and a Ukrainian one as well) right to the point of ....... I somehow believe the British that they and did not see the explosions of shells and bombs. It was so far away that the captain guessed about it rather than saw it. It seemed like there was filming from above, but nothing was visible or clear. At least the correspondent did not see them, but only heard sounds like shots, and I counted about 20 planes! At one time, the order not to respond to provocations and to “sit with your tail between your legs” led to an unpreparedness to repel a “sudden” attack by German troops. They were able to comfortably prepare for the offensive, knowing for sure that our troops will be paralyzed in the initial period. NATO comfortably places its offensive weapons elements, warehouses for equipment and ammunition. Prepares more and more new bridgeheads for the offensive. Covers them in advance with air defense and missile defense systems. Deploys missiles and probably medium-range ones. Our leadership, through the media, tells US about “red lines” that were marked by someone, but no one saw them! At the same time, the media assigned the name “RUSSIA” to the leadership. It seems that it is easier to speak on behalf of the population of the country “united around the leadership.” The slogan “if only there was no war” has more than once led to innumerable troubles for our ancestors. Maybe it's time to change it to something like "If they really want to fight with us, then let's play who will start first?!" Look, the population of Europe will remember how the wishes of the leadership end for ordinary people. I can accurately predict that negotiations with NATO and their leader will lead to us once again disarming. We will give away our advanced developments and then we will tell the people of Russia how “NATO broke yet another word.” Forgetting that the owner of the word is the one who gave it and justifying himself with the slogan “if only there is no war.” In fact, we are practically preparing our peoples for capture.
  65. -2
    4 July 2021 17: 22
    No one threw bombs. This is a fake from the Moscow media. They sniffed in front of their noses in the water against the backdrop of the departing Defender. That’s the whole reaction. And in the message the security officer talked about red lines and threatened the whole world.
  66. 0
    7 July 2021 06: 50
    He passed quite smoothly......there was no warning to open fire (probably they didn’t have time, they were already leaving the waters).