Relations between Russia and other countries: "befriend" or colonize

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On the pages of "Military Review" and on the pages of other publications, you can often see comments in such a way that if Russia uses force in one case or another, for example, to solve its economic problems and / or support its corporations, change and / or liquidate unfriendly regimes, then how will it differ from the "stronghold of world evil" - the United States or Great Britain?

The question is, do you need to be different? Maybe in this issue with the United States and Great Britain it is worth taking an example?



What negative consequences for our country will the “aggressive predator” policy bring?

Help "brotherly countries"


One of the distinguishing features of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), of which Russia is the successor, has become assistance to the so-called "fraternal countries." The Soviet Union helped a lot and generously to the countries of the Soviet bloc in all parts of the world - the countries of Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and Latin America.

The amount of aid to the countries of the Soviet bloc was enormous - the supply of weapons and military equipment, the construction of infrastructure facilities, the supply of food and consumer goods, not to mention loans and direct financial injections. The total volume of infusions into other countries amounted to hundreds of billions of dollars, and this was when a significant part of the population of the USSR lived in conditions that could be called beggarly. All this was accompanied by classical Soviet agitation about friendship of peoples, building communism / socialism.


Soviet aid to "fraternal" countries

Did the Soviet Union have anything to do with this?

He had something, but it hardly paid off such an impressive investment - a certain number of foreign military bases (much less than the United States), some kind of trade with the "banana republics", and the presence of their representatives at public holidays and events. The very image of the USSR as a socialist state hindered the efficient siphoning of resources from the "colonies". An absurd situation developed - the "colonies" of the USSR received more than the metropolis.

We can say that the United States pursued a similar policy - the "Marshall Plan" was carried out, cash injections and supplies were carried out weapons third countries. And the agitation was appropriate - the opposition to the communists, who "will take away everything, divide it up and put it in the Gulag." In general, the struggle for a bright democratic future.

But there are key differences: the United States is a capitalist country, they will spend a certain amount of money, but then they will definitely want to get a return on it. The result is enslaving, often secret treaties with the governments of the American puppet colonies. For example, it is believed that every new chancellor of the FRG signs a secret "chancellor pact" with the United States even before taking office.

Relations between Russia and other countries: "befriend" or colonize
Alleged evidence of the existence of a secret interstate treaty between the United States and the Federal Republic of Germany - "Chancellor's Office"

If such an agreement was concluded with Germany, then what can we take from any third world countries - having fallen into financial dependence on the United States, they will never get out. Suffice it to recall the financial crisis in Argentina, caused by the actions of both the Argentinean government and international financial institutions, including the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and provoking poverty and hunger in the "breadbasket of Europe", as well as the continuing high inflation.

After the collapse of the USSR, its successor Russia for some time stopped investing in other countries for one simple reason - they themselves had no money. As a legacy, Russia inherited both the debts of third countries of the USSR and the debts of the Soviet Union itself to third countries.

As a result, Russia paid off Soviet debts, and received pitiful pennies from third countries - since 1992, Russia has written off more than $ 140 billion of debts to the Soviet Union and later debts issued by Russia. At the same time, information about such facts is not advertised, and there are no reasonable grounds for these actions. One cannot consider the argument for writing off debts - “they won't pay us anyway, they have nothing to do”.

Nothing? So - let them give the territory for a military base and / or extraction of resources. Don't want to give? We will talk about what needs to be done in this case below.

Moreover, Russia has returned to the vicious practice of lending to different countries, which had not previously returned and are now not returning the funds provided. It is quite possible that this is a kind of money laundering, when the next “Papuan” receives a billion dollars, then 90% of the amount received is then returned to the accounts of interested parties?

Construction is carried out on credit, with future income, in such openly hostile countries as Turkey. For example, the construction of a nuclear power plant. In the event of a deterioration in relations, they simply nationalize it (unless, of course, the possibility of an “emergency” NPP failure is envisaged).

And there is no way to explain such gestures as, for example, the repair of the Capitol dome in Havana (Cuba), on which Russia spent 642 million rubles. All this Cuba is not worth one Russian child who did not have enough money for treatment. As soon as the United States lifts economic sanctions on Cuba, it will instantly forget about Russia and lick the United States with a zeal that will dim the efforts of Poland and Ukraine.


Russia is a generous soul

By the way, Cuba is a vivid example of how the United States is punished for refusing to pay on investments of American companies: 80 years of harsh economic sanctions, so we shouldn't really count on concessions in terms of sanctions, this can take decades.

In general, the so-called policy of assistance to "fraternal" countries carried out by the USSR, and in particular today's Russia, can only be called a betrayal of the interests of its own people.

Good deeds can not be celebrated


So, maybe Russia will be rewarded for her "good deeds"? And the "brotherly" countries will be grateful for the built-up infrastructure, for food, for the supply of weapons?

Alas, as practice shows, this is not the case. The article The accession of the countries of Eastern Europe to the Soviet bloc is an inevitable necessity we looked at how the countries of Eastern Europe, formerly part of the Soviet bloc, turned from friends to opponents in an instant. Almost all cultural and economic ties have been severed, and this trend continues. Even such previously neutral countries as the Czech Republic are now full of belligerent rhetoric.

Why is this happening?

Everything is very simple. The people, as a mass, have no opinion of their own.

The people of any country believe in what propaganda is pushing into them. Anyone from an ally in a matter of months can be turned into an enemy in the eyes of the overwhelming majority of the population. For example, the powers that be in the countries of Eastern Europe need Russia only in “special” cases, when it is possible to get something from it, but at present they have another “breadwinner” - the United States. In addition, the image of the "enemy-occupier" allows you to effectively manage the opinion of the same population, allowing you to blame all the blunders of the authorities in the economy on the "enemy".

An example from the Czech Republic - why should Russia blow up a supernumerary warehouse with obsolete weapons? No benefit, from any point of view. But if from this warehouse most of the weapons were stolen by some people and sold, for example, to Ukraine, then there is very much benefit in blaming Russia for the explosion. They covered up the dirty deeds and earned political points - Russia is now a "convenient" adversary.

It is even more difficult with the countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America. They are infinitely far from Russia, they have a different mentality of the population. Most of the population of some countries is not at all aware that their country maintains any kind of relationship with Russia - all the "goodies" are received by their leadership. The lack of education and critical thinking makes it possible to convince them of anything in the shortest possible time, even that the Russians will come to “eat their children”.

Specific, mostly semi-dictatorial regimes have neither stability nor popular support. In the event of a US-organized coup, the new regime will jealously serve the new master, realizing what will happen to him if he does not actively prove his loyalty.

How will Venezuela behave if the opposition to the current government wins? Will the Russian base remain in Syria if Bashar al-Assad's regime is defeated? Will any of these countries be "grateful" to Russia?


Russia - Venezuela: Friendship for Life? Source: Russian Foreign Ministry

Foreign policy


We need to shout less about our military power - Poseidons, Petrels and other wunderwaffe. The author, of course, loves military equipment and enjoys watching it at the Victory Parade, but still there are specialized events for its demonstration - "Army", "International Aerospace Show" and others. The same Victory Day can be organized without transporting heavy equipment across Red Square - this is perceived only as a sign of aggression. It is quite enough, in my opinion, if the servicemen are simply paraded. And the money saved is better spent to address the needs of veterans.


Military parades have not frightened anyone for a long time, but they give an informational opportunity to recall the "aggressive Russia"

The declared foreign policy should be as peaceful as possible. Are they demolishing monuments in Poland? Anyway, this is their territory, why stir up a scandal out of this? It is necessary to react less to the injections of some second-rate politicians and supernumerary foreign media - only the guilty person is justified, and any retaliatory actions only draw attention to accusations against Russia. Yes, and the statements of the top officials of the leading powers can be completely ignored - you never know what Trump or Biden will blurt out?

It is necessary to act silently, but inevitably - to take an example from Israel, which does not suit military parades, but eliminated all the accomplices of the extermination of Jews in Nazi Germany all over the world. And now he does not shun anything when defending his interests.

The policy of the Russian Federation should be as pragmatic as possible, and its main goal should be to obtain real economic benefits for our country, and not childish squabbles with "inferior" states. Let Russian corporations, private and public, get there. Even if part of the money goes offshore, part of it will in any case go to Russia (increasing the share of money coming into the country is also a strategically important task).

Breaking - not building


How, then, to proceed - to refuse help and support from friendly countries? Locked within the boundaries of your own territory?

Our geopolitical opponents will be very happy about this. We will be quite comfortable for them in the role of some kind of North Korea - "overgrown". One way or another, if Russia claims independence, and does not want to become a colony of the United States or China (or both of them), in a form fragmented into some quasi-state formations, then some kind of economic and military activity will have to be carried out. And it is better to conduct it as aggressively as possible, but quietly.

How should it look like?

1. Our relations with other countries should be formalized as rigidly as possible. If a loan is given or a delivery is carried out, then guarantees of a refund of funds should be put at the forefront, for example, they can be provided by some territories or resources transferred on a long-term lease or even on an ongoing basis - to our the fleet would it not hurt to have a permanent base on an island or peninsula under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation?

Russian expeditionary forces and forces of private military companies (PMCs) should be deployed in these territories. In this combination, the official expeditionary force will protect the territory from invasion. Whoever says anything, if the position of Russia is tough, then not many will dare to strike the territory occupied by the official armed forces of the Russian Federation. Of course, we are talking about serious powers - the countries of Europe or NATO. But they may well "incite" the forces of their new vassal, who formally announced that it did not recognize the treaties of the previous government. And the expeditionary force in this case must be strong enough to repel the attack of the army of a country such as Syria, Libya or Venezuela. Fortunately, as the experience of Israel shows, they do not know how to fight a serious enemy.

2. In response to the attack of friendly regimes by the forces of the United States and its allies, Russia should carry out similar actions against regimes friendly to the United States and its allies. This should be done by PMCs and MTR (special operations). The destabilization of a regime friendly to the enemy will always require less forces than maintaining “one's own” friendly regime: to break is not to build.

Such actions will severely hit the interests of American companies in the region, cause chaos and a flow of refugees to prosperous European countries, across Turkey. They will have a positive effect on Russia even if, as a result, someone else, for example, China, gains a foothold in the crisis-ridden region.

Is it cruel? Yes, this is so, but if we isolate ourselves and only defend ourselves, then we will surely lose. The United States or Britain will not hesitate to take similar actions against us, regardless of how many Russians will be slaughtered as a result of the further fragmentation of Russia into independent republics.

A guarantee of a retaliatory active aggression against regimes friendly to the United States to make them think before taking similar actions against the Russian Federation, to force them to negotiate with us. Dividing the world into "zones of responsibility" is far from the worst option, at least much better than the third world "hot" war, the consequences of which will be much worse than any local crisis. By the way, a significant part of the regimes supported by the United States cannot be called either humane or democratic.

3. With regard to support for their friendly regimes, yes, such support should be carried out, but it should have a clear timeline and financial framework. For example, according to the author, Syria has already exhausted its limit, it costs us too much - it's time to leave Assad to fend for itself, securing certain economic zones for itself, following the example of Turkey. The rule is simple - 10% of the effort (conditionally) should bring 90% of the result, and not vice versa. That borderline when investments become more than the expected return and should become a signal for the curtailment of the support program or a radical change in its format.

The tasks to be solved will dictate special requirements for the armed forces, military equipment and weapons, which must be effective for solving expeditionary tasks. Strengthening of special operations forces will be required. There will be a need to legalize and develop private military companies. We will talk about this in more detail in the following articles.
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  1. +2
    25 June 2021 15: 05
    What negative consequences for our country will the “aggressive predator” policy bring?
    The consequences will be! But what will outweigh ??? loss or gain, fig knows it ... You need to work more carefully, using different methods ...
    1. +12
      25 June 2021 15: 19
      It's time to ALREADY draw conclusions. The experience of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation. negative Maybe partners and brothers will be enough stop ". Alexander 3, clearly said who Russia has its only true friends - the Army and the Navy. Regarding the rest - From a speech in the English House of Commons (March 1, 1858) by the Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister (1855-1858; 1859-1865) of Great Britain, Viscount Henry John Temple Palmerstoia (1784-1865). He delivered this speech during a parliamentary debate on British foreign policy. we have no eternal allies and we have no permanent enemies; our interests are eternal and constant. It is our duty to protect these interests. soldier
      Quoted: as an example of exemplary pragmatism in foreign policy. Everything else is from the evil one ... bully
      1. +6
        25 June 2021 15: 49
        Army and navy, this is the final closure of any issue ... if it is possible to resolve the issue in their favor without extreme impact, why not?
        1. +3
          25 June 2021 16: 29
          To be honest, the author's message is not completely clear. It is clear that the treaties have ... how to put it mildly, flaws .. Only the solution of these, if I may say "flaws", does he want to pass on to the army? Then, as it were, the administration of the state should be given over to the army, otherwise the army is only responsible for cleaning the Augean stables?
          Our relations with other countries should be formalized as rigidly as possible. If a loan is given or a delivery is carried out, then guarantees of a refund of funds should be put at the forefront,
          Is this the task of the army? Someone (from the sons of the untouchables) will screw up their confusion with a contract, and we will send the army to fulfill the contract? Can preventatively, remove the reason for the conclusion of the absurd in the form of incompetent. So it is not Africa that should be punished, but the original problem should be eliminated. But this is more difficult than it might seem. And to defend the interests of the stupid, but powerful, I feel sorry for our guys to send. Image is nothing but a thirst for personal gain. :)
    2. +1
      30 June 2021 13: 23
      different methods
      Method one: the main sign of the Predator is a serious civilizational world project. Successful Predator is a cunning project. So far (simplified) there are 2 (+1) such projects: Anglo-Saxon + Chinese (+ Ottoman). Slyly written-long-playing of them - one.
      Russia has so far won the opportunity to fit into someone else's mosaic with minimal losses (this is already a lot, but still not enough).
      1. 0
        30 June 2021 13: 27
        Quote: Katiusha
        So far (simplified) there are 2 such projects (+1)

        And if not in a simple way, and even think about it ???
        In no project of a decent place we are NOT OFFERED or OFFERED!
        Who is to blame for this ... it is better not ... not in short, the MAIN THING, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE RIGHT NOW?
        1. 0
          1 July 2021 11: 17
          if not simple, and even think
          - this is a lot of letters)) not a comment format.
          In no project of a decent place we are NOT OFFERED or OFFERED!

          No one ever offers empires (Predators) anything - they design themselves, they themselves gain strength, they themselves take the heavy in their hands, they themselves carry (provide).
          And they themselves skim the cream (or distribute it as a Union).
          WHAT SHOULD BE DONE RIGHT NOW

          WHOM to do? Russia is still firmly inscribed in the Anglo-Saxon colonial project - in the form of a colony (source of resources). Army + nuclear weapons + external activity give the right to the title of semi-colony. To go into your design you need:
          neo-imperial ideology
          neotechnology + industry
          mega-financing
          participation in the next Anglo-Saxon redistribution of the world NOT on its territory.
          Who will do this? Gref?
          1. +1
            1 July 2021 13: 27
            neo mega and other participation ... not just ... meaningless, now, attempts to explain something to someone. For most nano, this is a dirty word associated with "red devil", and mega projects are like BAM or the turn of the Siberian rivers to hell!
            1. 0
              1 July 2021 17: 17
              and mega projects are like BAM

              BAM won't help.
              Them. in view of the scale of the conversion of the type of Chinese.
              This will not shine for Russia (yet?).
              The majority usually goes where the minority leads with the steering wheel - yes.
              The commentators of the Voyen Oboza, by the way, too)).
              But such (you and me) at least have a chance to understand - where, with whom and why. Something like installing a personal infoPO system. soldier
              1. +1
                1 July 2021 18: 11
                Alone in the field, especially in air defense, is no longer a warrior.
                Look to create a community by interes, by intellect, by political or some other preferences ... a real chance to be left alone, in the end, and even with some kind of stigma / label.
                As the classic said, the leader of our, world revolution - we will go the other way !!!
                Who is the people, to teach and educate followers / adherents, and who ... and where else to go, depends on the goals.
                I have a goal, so I found where to "go", or rather create.
                "Reaping the fruits" will not soon have to ... but oh well, it was not for them that went \ created.
  2. +1
    25 June 2021 15: 10
    The states contain a number of highly controversial hardenings. The detailed analysis will probably be longer than the article itself.
    And in the summary - the author demonstrates views that perfectly show why Russia now has so few allies!
    1. +17
      25 June 2021 16: 18
      The states contain a number of highly controversial hardenings.

      I agree.
      which perfectly show why Russia now has so few allies!

      But here it is not. We have been keeping you allies for centuries, and you are steadily betraying us.
      Conclusion: the previous approach to providing assistance to "brotherly peoples" is useless and has not justified itself. A more pragmatic position is needed. The most successful is the pragmatic position of the Anglo-Saxon type. It is necessary to learn from a potential adversary and implement his pragmatic methods. Voila. hi
      1. +5
        25 June 2021 16: 27
        Quote: MooH
        We have been keeping you allies for centuries,

        And explain, with figures, of course, how and when we supported Bulgaria! All the more so for centuries. Or the usual jingoistic patriotic blah blah blah?
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 19: 23
          Under the USSR, starting with Lenin and ending with the humpbacked one, we have so much help to everyone!? That if this money were distributed to the population in the late 80s, then even a baby would get more than $ 1 million. It's time to end this vicious practice. We must switch to the Anglo-Saxon system. aid, which is mostly obtained. And even better is the Chinese model, when they pay by territories.
          1. -2
            25 June 2021 19: 34
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Under the USSR, starting with Lenin and ending with the humpbacked one, we have so much help to everyone!? That if this money were distributed to the population in the late 80s, then even a baby would get more than $ 1 million. It's time to end this vicious practice. We must switch to the Anglo-Saxon system. aid, which is mostly obtained. And even better is the Chinese model, when they pay by territories.

            How is your health? He wrote in Russian:
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            with numbers, of course

            What numbers do you have? What you have written is the usual low-grade liberal nonsense.
            Quote: tralflot1832
            That if this money were distributed to the population at the end of the 80s, then each even a baby would get more than $ 1 million.

            good Now justify this blizzard! With numbers, facts, statistics, as adults, and not as pimply victims of the current general school system. Or can you just blah blah blah? A more appropriate word is not censored, so the site will not let it pass.
            1. -5
              25 June 2021 20: 32
              It's not enough for you with what debts, we came to the end of the 80s. No one forgave us our debts, but we had to forgive unmeasuredly. The only ones who fully paid us for military aid, oddly enough, the Spaniards, paid everything in gold. we put them during the civil war. If you want numbers, look for yourself. Since the 90s, there are a lot of articles about how we squandered the national property under the USSR. It would be better if this money was invested in our production and the people. You look would not fall apart. When the people live well, he no time for revolutions!
              1. +3
                25 June 2021 21: 25
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Want numbers, look for yourself

                Your vomit, you justify. If you cannot - be silent! You have an interesting manner, to lie with three boxes, and then demand that the opponent justify your lies.)))) Is this how they teach you at school now?
                1. -7
                  25 June 2021 21: 52
                  Yes, you boor! I finished school in 1978. I achieved everything I wanted in life, I saw the world. And they paid me money for it, and not bad money. And now I live well. This power suits me, in everything. You live in your own world. where everything is bad. The conversation is over.
                  1. +3
                    25 June 2021 22: 22
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    You live in your own world where everything is bad.

                    And where is it good or bad in my world? If you cannot substantiate your public statement, who are you then? Tell me yourself?
              2. Aag
                +2
                26 June 2021 20: 43
                Quote: tralflot1832
                It's not enough for you with what debts, we came to the end of the 80s. No one forgave us our debts, but we had to forgive unmeasuredly. The only ones who fully paid us for military aid, oddly enough, the Spaniards, paid everything in gold. we put them during the civil war. If you want numbers, look for yourself. Since the 90s, there are a lot of articles about how we squandered the national property under the USSR. It would be better if this money was invested in our production and the people. You look would not fall apart. When the people live well, he no time for revolutions!

                "... When people live well, they have no time for revolutions! ..."
                So there were no revolutions. There was a betrayal of the top! ... ISHO.
      2. +3
        25 June 2021 17: 13
        I agree.

        Typical station for domestic consumption. Nothing fundamentally new is said in it.
        We have been keeping you allies for centuries, and you are steadily betraying us.

        The tezza standard in recent years is intended for "easy digestion"... "It explains everything," no need to strain your brains. And then the person will take it and think, and come to completely different conclusions! what
        A more pragmatic position is needed.

        The Russian Federation has been leading this for 30 years, but the result is not very good ... No.
        The most successful is the pragmatic position of the Anglo-Saxon type.

        It is better to have your own global civilizational model, competitive with others. Otherwise, you will get a poorly assembled imitation of the Western model. Nothing better, surogad. hi
        It is necessary to learn from a potential adversary and implement his pragmatic methods.

        But this is correct! But do not copy blindly, but take what is applicable to your specificity.
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 20: 04
          And then the person will take it and think, and come to completely different conclusions!

          About the terrible exploitation of subordinate countries by Russia? All the valuable pebbles from Bulgaria to Crimea were taken out and replaced with cheap Siberian sand :))
          The Russian Federation has been leading this for 30 years, but the result is not very good ...

          RF for 30 years as a well-known substance in the hole. One step forward - two steps back.
          It is better to have your own global civilizational model, competitive with others

          It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick. We do not have a national idea, not just a civilizational model.
          1. +2
            25 June 2021 22: 58
            About the terrible exploitation of subordinate countries by Russia? All the valuable pebbles from Bulgaria to Crimea were taken out and replaced with cheap Siberian sand :))

            Nowhere has this system been successful, all east. European countries and former rep. The USSR was in debt! We did not work well, we were in short supply! I see no reason to reproach each other, the problem was precisely in the ineffectiveness of the system, in its defectiveness.
            RF for 30 years as a well-known substance in the hole. One step forward - two steps back.

            Bad novelty - doesn't know where to go yet ?! But there is also a good one - it looks like a sprinter before the start, how he will run ... hope will be in the right direction! drinks
            Better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.

            Well, how can I disagree with this! Of course it is! May God grant you and your loved ones health and prosperity, Andrey! good
      3. +6
        25 June 2021 17: 35
        Quote: MooH
        Conclusion: the previous approach to providing assistance to "fraternal peoples" is useless and has not justified itself. A more pragmatic position is needed.

        Necessary but not feasible. I would not be surprised if some of our "elite" also signed a secret agreement with the Americans. Otherwise, it is not possible to explain stagnation in half with regression (the so-called "stability") in a country like Russia, with all its potential.
      4. -1
        26 June 2021 13: 07
        aha. I could not help remembering this epoch-making from the idiot Sterligov: for thousands of years the Russian peasant lived on one potato. but we don't need anything American
    2. +5
      25 June 2021 16: 39
      Quote: pytar
      And in the summary - the author demonstrates views that perfectly show why Russia now has so few allies!

      The United States also does not have a single ally, it has vassals.
      1. +2
        25 June 2021 17: 23
        The United States also does not have a single ally, it has vassals.

        Like "Russia does not have a vassal, because of that, there are no allies." We are good, they are bad ... Yes? bully
        Listen, you are constantly scolded and criticized "Anglo-Saxon model"! Often with a foundation, you can't argue here ... Yes And tell me, do you have a better civilization model? One to compete with today's Pax Americana and tomorrow's Pax China?
        1. +3
          25 June 2021 19: 38
          hi
          Quote: pytar
          And tell me, do you have a better civilization model?

          Was, it is necessary to return to her again. Only with her my country was an advanced self-sufficient state. It is a pity that we turned from this path.
          1. 0
            25 June 2021 20: 59
            Was, it is necessary to return to her again.

            Don't you think that the fact that it ceased to exist proves its inadequacy?
            Don't you think you need a more viable model taking into account the advantages and disadvantages of the former?
            Only with her my country was an advanced self-sufficient state.

            Rome was like this for thousands of years, having a slave-owning system. The USSR existed for only 70 years. You can be advanced and self-sufficient with different systems.
            It is a pity that we turned from this path.

            Why did they turn off? Who folded? If the system does not go where people want and outside their desire, then it is not theirs.
            1. +4
              25 June 2021 21: 17
              Quote: pytar
              Don't you think that the fact that it ceased to exist proves its inadequacy?

              I don’t think so, its termination was connected with the receipt by the party elite of irreplaceable power, that's all.
              Quote: pytar
              Don't you think you need a more viable model taking into account the advantages and disadvantages of the former?

              I would say that humanity, as a species, has only two paths, communism or barbarism. Another question is how exactly mankind will come to communism, I personally believe that the basic principles of Marxism-Leninism are correct, and the implementation, in some places, let us down. It must be remembered that the Paris Commune lasted 70 days, and the USSR - 70 years. I believe that progress is evident.))))
              Quote: pytar
              You can be advanced and self-sufficient with different systems.

              Of course, everything is relative. Rome was more advanced in relation to the Gauls or Celts, for example.
              Quote: pytar
              Why did they turn off? Who folded? If the system does not go where people want and outside their desire, then it is not theirs.

              This is a very long conversation. People wanted jeans and co-ops, but no one wanted to hand over entire industries to thieves. Nobody wanted to build capitalism, people wanted artels and cooperatives, as in the Stalinist economy.
              1. +1
                25 June 2021 22: 21
                Dear Alexey hi , at first I want to say, you are clearly an intelligent person! With smart people, it is pleasant to communicate! In many ways, my opinion coincides with yours. good
                ... its termination was connected with the receipt by the party elite of irreplaceable power, that's all.

                There is only one clarification. I believe that the system itself was originally created in such a way that it invariably gave rise to the same "defect".
                I would say that humanity, as a species, has only two paths, communism or barbarism. Another question is how exactly humanity will come to communism, I personally believe that the basic principles of Marxism-Leninism are correct, and the implementation, in some places, let us down.

                In general, it is. But! Only a society with a high level of material and technical development + high morality can go to communism. Under real socialism, as it was, this was impossible. And one more very important factor! You cannot build a just society through violence and denial of God! This is not about religions ... I hope you understand.
                This is a very long conversation. People wanted jeans and co-ops, but no one wanted to hand over entire industries to thieves.

                The topic is really lengthy. I, too, will not delve into it. Just a few words. Strange, but socialism has not been able to provide people with jeans or anything elementary. Few people wanted to talk about cooperatives. Well, just in case, not the kind they created.
                And so everything is logical. I posted all your comments. good
                I wish you and your loved ones good health and a peaceful sky! hi
                1. +2
                  27 June 2021 06: 40
                  Quote: pytar
                  With smart people, it is pleasant to communicate!

                  Thank you for such a rating.
                  Quote: pytar
                  There is only one clarification. I believe that the system itself was originally created in such a way that it invariably gave rise to the same "defect".

                  I would not agree here. The Bolsheviks followed the principle of democratic centralism, I believe that today, this is the best way to manage
                  a democratic society. As for the electoral system, initially, their representatives were chosen by labor collectives, as for me, this method
                  better than choosing on a territorial basis. In cases where V.I. Lenin or I.V. Stalin, for example, the Politburo of the Central Committee could not defend their point of view,
                  then they brought this issue to the consideration of the primary parties. organizations that chose them, that is, for the consideration of their labor collectives. Regarding
                  the one-party system, I am not ready to talk about it, I just know too little about why this was done.
                  Quote: pytar
                  Only a society with a high level of material and technical development + high morality can go to communism. Under real socialism, as it was, this was impossible.

                  Here I agree with you, albeit in part. Yes, indeed, the building of communism is possible only with a high development of the productive forces (as people with their
                  moral and volitional qualities, as well as machines and mechanisms) RI came to the 20th century with extremely low development in this indicator. We haven't really come out of
                  feudalism by then. There are many objective historical reasons for this. Both our country and your country are very late for the division of the world capitalist
                  pie.))) However, by the Second World War, the USSR achieved incredible success in the development of production forces. Both in the construction of industry and agriculture, and in education
                  a person, rather even in building a new Soviet nation (people). Of course, all this did not go smoothly, there were also serious excesses, but, in my opinion, they did not wear
                  systemic nature. After the war, under Khrushchev, everything changed a lot, an irreplaceable, bourgeois-paid government turned out, which led to those
                  the consequences that we see today.
                  Quote: pytar
                  You cannot build a just society through violence and denial of God! This is not about religions ... I hope you understand.

                  I in no way condone violence, but I well understand those poor half-starved people who plundered and burned the estate of the landowner who flogged them
                  quite recently and slept with their daughters, in the strike demands very often there were clauses on the termination of the harassment of "effective managers" to wives and
                  daughters of workers, in general there are extremely interesting documents of that era. The state itself did not justify or encourage violence. No, of course there was a civil war,
                  but not the government of Soviet Russia started it! I am generally surprised how Soviet Russia managed to survive in such conditions and reach such heights in the future.
                  Denial of God. This is not an easy question. In general, scientific atheism does not so much deny the idea of ​​God as such, as it denies this mystical approach itself. I.e
                  an atheist cannot unconditionally believe in anything, he can only know. For an atheist, the universe is not unknowable, but only as yet unknowable. For an atheist, nothing can be
                  unknowable in principle, and maybe still unknown. The struggle with the priests and, accordingly, with the church was caused by economic
                  reasons. Soviet Russia separated the church from the state, forced to pay taxes, made the registry offices, began to teach parishioners to read and write, respectively, they began
                  fewer candles to buy, etc.))) In general, Soviet Russia offended the church (as a commercial organization) and, accordingly, began to massively support
                  various White Guards. From there, this conflict grows legs.
                  Quote: pytar
                  Strange, but socialism has not been able to provide people with jeans or anything elementary.

                  Under Stalin, before Khrushchev's rule, the artel (cooperative) movement was very developed. Opening a cooperative was easier than today, besides the state
                  really supported cooperatives, gave loans, soft loans, etc. There were few restrictions, the tax code, in relation to them, was very
                  liberal. From the point of view of Marxism-Leninism, cooperatives are quite a progressive phenomenon. Two points that were fundamental were
                  the production of the cooperative was not supposed to be more expensive than a similar state one by more than 20%, and the cooperative did not hire, but took the worker "as a share."
                  In general, de facto, only the state could hire hired workers. There was no shortage then, I think that the production of jeans would have been established
                  cooperatives in a couple of weeks. And during the war, cooperatives and weapons were produced, cameras were produced, and many complex technological products.

                  Quote: pytar
                  I wish you and your loved ones good health and a peaceful sky!

                  Thank you for your good wishes, and your family health and happiness! Tell me, "Sunny Beach" ("Sunny Beach" cognac) is still produced by you? I have it since
                  I remember Soviet times, good cognac (brandy).))))) I hope I will visit your wonderful country.
                  PS Now I have a lot of work, I can't always answer quickly.
                  1. +2
                    27 June 2021 11: 53
                    Thank you for the detailed answer, Alexey!
                    The Bolsheviks followed the principle of democratic centralism, I believe that today, this is the best way to govern a democratic society.

                    Democracies and autocracies are different. There is also a form that combines both principles. For me, centralized / authoritarian / systems are more effective in extreme situations / war, pandemic, etc. /. Last but not least is mentality and national characteristics. There are people, cultured, accustomed to a more authoritarian form of government, and there are those in which democracy, broad democracy is closer to concepts. Moreover, among the latter I put Vost. Europe. For example, in Bulgaria, adherent of authoritarianism / centralized management / the majority among elderly people and education below secondary. But people in active age, young people and those who are more educated, prefer democracy. Those. the trend is clear.

                    Of course, all this did not go smoothly, there were also serious excesses, but, in my opinion, they were not of a systemic nature.

                    Well, for me this is too affectionate a definition of what happened in the USSR, and later in the countries that fell under its influence. Repression of non-thinkers, the destruction of entire social classes, gulags, total control, this is not just "excesses /", it is a crime of a global scale.

                    By the way, I got such a comment on VO ...

                    The system constantly generating "traitors" caused the "need" from periodic cleaning. Not a normal system, and it died naturally.

                    do you think that "Sunny Beach" ("Sunny Beach" cognac) is still produced in your company? I remember it from Soviet times, good cognac (brandy).

                    Produced in many different versions. I copied here 2 with prices translated into rubles by 27.06.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX.

                    Its competitor Pliska also has a great variety. I remember the wallpaper was a very popular brand among Soviet tourists.


                    I hope to visit your wonderful country.

                    I wish you to visit Bulgaria. The country has changed for the better during this time! And Russians, as before, we do not consider strangers! good
                    1. -1
                      28 June 2021 14: 12
                      Quote: pytar
                      and there are those for which democracy, broad democracy is closer to concepts.

                      So democratic centralism is true democracy. This is the periodic reporting of superior to subordinates, the ability to recall their
                      candidates, etc. And submission to the will of the minority, the will of the majority. How else can the state perform this or that action?
                      Quote: pytar
                      Well, for me this is too affectionate a definition of what happened in the USSR, and later in the countries that fell under its influence. Repression of non-thinkers, the destruction of entire social classes, gulags, total control, this is not just "excesses /", it is a crime of a global scale.

                      This is not an easy question. I don't know at all what happened in the countries of the social camp. I was only in Romania, my father had a business trip there for 2 years - they were building a chemical plant,
                      as a foreigner and a child, I did not see much, of course, but I will not say that they did not live well. I will say this about repression, I and all my numerous relatives did not have
                      no one who would have been repressed, moreover, my close acquaintances in their relatives did not have repressed, although the mother's grandfathers dispossessed rations for the collective farm, on the collective farm there my great-great-grandfather looked at the apiary. My neighbor was imprisoned for some crimes during the war, or was in captivity and somehow "behaved badly" there, or something else, I don't know,
                      it was not customary to talk about these topics. By the way, Yeltsin's parents were repressed, this did not prevent him from joining the Komsomol, then going to the party and further
                      to work on the party line, there were such repressions. In the 90s, they wrote a lot of things to cut down the hype on this. As far as I remember, as a percentage in
                      In the Stalinist USSR, there were fewer people in prisons and camps than in the United States. If the topic of repression, the early USSR and the Second World War is interesting, I can throw off a link to YouTube videos, where candidates, doctors of science talk about it, give links to sources, to specialized historical works, but there is not only this, about the crusades, for example , tell how in a specialized university, 12 two-hour lectures, but very interesting.
                      Quote: pytar
                      By the way, I got such a comment on VO ...

                      Yes, we come across different things on VO. No, the USSR was not an ideal state, no one calls to enter the same river twice. However, he showed a lot, both good and bad. Learn from mistakes. And I don't even want to compare it with the modern semi-fascist understatement.
                      Quote: pytar
                      Produced in many different versions. I copied here 2 with prices translated into rubles by 27.06.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX.

                      Our horses will be more expensive. I drank like this in a 0.5l bottle, I have not seen the products of your country now, and I do not see Hungarian vermouths. I see that your products are a little cheaper in general?
              2. -4
                26 June 2021 08: 34
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I don't think so, its termination was due to the receipt of the irreplaceable power by the party elite, that's all.


                so in the ussr, from the moment of its formation, the power was not replaceable
                that's all laughing
                fair elections and turnover of power would undermine the very essence of socialism.

                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I would say that humanity, as a species, has only two paths, communism or barbarism.

                what the hell?
                justify
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                that the basic principles of Marxism-Leninism are correct, and the implementation, in some places disappointed

                here and there laughing - well, first of all, everywhere
                and what are these correct principles, what country these principles were not used in building the state - everywhere the priest. It's like an old joke
                The company bought a Mercedes plant AvtoVAZ. Reconfigured production, start the conveyor. . . Bam! at the exit of the Lada!
                Dismantle the equipment, drove the new one from Germany, installed, adjusted, launched. ! ! ! Lada again!
                Why all the plant personnel are dismissed, workers from Germany are brought in, they are established, checked, and launched. ! At the exit again - Lada!
                There is a hill near the plant; ch. engineer and director of the plant (both with the prefix Ex .. Look at all this. Engineer to the director:
                - And I told you - the place is damned! ! ! And then everything is "hands from f ... s, hands from f ... s"

                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                It must be remembered that the Paris Commune lasted 70 days, and the USSR - 70 years. I believe that progress is evident.))))

                they were just smarter.
                result as Gauvreau on the face.
                Compare living standards in France and Russia laughing
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                ... Nobody wanted to build capitalism, people wanted artels and cooperatives, as in the Stalinist economy.

                rave. people wanted to live better.
                1. 0
                  27 June 2021 06: 59
                  Quote: atalef
                  .....rave. people wanted to live better

                  Above answered almost all of your statements.
        2. Aag
          +1
          26 June 2021 21: 06
          Quote: pytar
          The United States also does not have a single ally, it has vassals.

          Like "Russia does not have a vassal, because of that, there are no allies." We are good, they are bad ... Yes? bully
          Listen, you are constantly scolded and criticized "Anglo-Saxon model"! Often with a foundation, you can't argue here ... Yes And tell me, do you have a better civilization model? One to compete with today's Pax Americana and tomorrow's Pax China?

          I don’t think that you, all the “other” countries, will like it if suddenly the US and the Russian Federation agree on dividing the world according to Anglo-Saxon “concepts” ...
          1. 0
            26 June 2021 22: 15
            if suddenly the United States and the Russian Federation agree on the division of the world according to Anglo-Saxon "concepts" ...

            How do your concepts differ?
            1. Aag
              +1
              27 June 2021 05: 54
              Quote: pytar
              if suddenly the United States and the Russian Federation agree on the division of the world according to Anglo-Saxon "concepts" ...

              How do your concepts differ?

              That is, in your opinion, Syria and Libya are the same? ..
              1. 0
                27 June 2021 10: 27
                That is, in your opinion, Syria and Libya are the same? ..

                What's the difference?
    3. -5
      25 June 2021 16: 50
      I agree. The author "stretches".
      Who benefits from explosions in the Czech Republic in warehouses ...
      LDNR. They could use ammunition against them, which burst safely. The Czech Republic systematically supplies equipment and ammunition to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The author did not notice this.
      But I am sure that if there was intent, it was not on the part of the citizens of the unrecognized republics.
      1. -1
        25 June 2021 17: 30
        I agree. The author "stretches".

        In the article, the analysis is not made in an ordinary way, so that the correct conclusions can be drawn.
    4. 0
      25 June 2021 16: 52
      What's controversial?
      1. 0
        25 June 2021 17: 33
        What's controversial?

        A lot of things. From outright misinformation, like "secret" chancellorpact "", before propaganda suggestion "we kept them all."
      2. +3
        25 June 2021 18: 55
        Let's do it this way. Bulgaria was among the close allies of the USSR, almost all industrial enterprises of our neighbor, as well as large infrastructure facilities were built with the assistance of the USSR, such as factories in the ports of Burgas and Varna, as well as the Kozloduy NPP. Nevertheless, former friends counted us $ 100 million in debt. Correct conclusions can be drawn on the basis of. We set up a bunch of things for the whole social block. Thank you? Horseradish. Is the Czech Republic barking? Why? What did she herself do besides helping the Nazis? Fuck there. Are the baltics barking? What did she build herself? And so everywhere. Profitable, not profitable. Kindergarten.
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 19: 51
          Let's do it this way. Bulgaria was among the close allies of the USSR, almost all industrial enterprises of our neighbor, as well as large infrastructure facilities were built with the assistance of the USSR, such as factories in the ports of Burgas and Varna, as well as the Kozloduy NPP.

          Let's! The USSR brought us its own socio-political system, with its own rules and laws. All of the above economy worked for export to the USSR. Satisfied the needs of the citizens of the USSR, often to the detriment of their own. Bolg. social the economy was so ineffective and strongly tied to the Soviet one that it had no competitive chances in free markets. The USSR collapsed, supplies stopped severely, the Soviet market closed. You did it, not us! I will not talk about the political peculiarities of this system, but who is to blame? Is it someone you forced to live by your rules, and then disowned them yourself, as if "I'm sorry, but we are already friends from the West, and we will do business with you pragmatically"? Well, good, and so we are!
          Nevertheless, former friends calculated a debt of $ 100 million to us.

          It was you who decided to be the beating friends. And you reproach us! We didn’t come up with the rules on mutual settlements in the CMEA. They were not market-based, like YOUR whole system! Everyone was dissatisfied with her! Strange, you reproach us that as a result of the insolvency of YOUR system, you have a debt of $ 100 million to us! This system also led to the fact that in the 90s all East. European countries drowned in debt to the West! This is after half a century of living in YOUR system, according to YOUR ideology!
          Is the Czech Republic barking? Why? What did she herself do besides helping the Nazis? Fuck there. Are the baltics barking? What did she build herself? And so everywhere. Profitable, not profitable. Kindergarten.

          Yes, yes ... "they all did nothing, they all helped the fascists, only you are correct"! Dmitry, if you are a reasonable person, you probably realize that we can find reasons for a complaint from everyone! So will you achieve something? Nothing, just more nausea! No Western propaganda can do as much harm as you do to yourself!
          I say this with displeasure, as a person brought up from childhood in love and respect for Russia! hi
          1. -7
            26 June 2021 07: 07
            Here. It's all about etgm. Lots of excuses instead of a simple thank you. A bunch of nasty things instead of gratitude. I hope to live until the moment when they put in a pose and again come running to bow. And they will be refused. One bad thing - we will not refuse. And again Russian boys will ruin themselves for the sake of all these ungrateful goats. I would refuse. But I don’t decide. And I know that they will betray again.
            1. 0
              26 June 2021 08: 42
              Quote: carstorm 11
              I hope to live until the moment when they put in a pose and again come running to bow.

              you will not live. There is no chance, live at least 200 years (which I absolutely sincerely wish you)
              In order to come, you need to be successful and generous. You need to be admired and want to live the same way.
              You will not live. Alas. request
              because your whole conversation boils down to one thing - bend, humiliate, pose, punish.

              Quote: carstorm 11
              And I know that they will betray again.

              Well, you - Assad and Maduro are not like that - they are with Russia forever.
              1. -7
                26 June 2021 08: 44
                Bend over yes. Because they got it. Anyway, you can't expect anything good from them.
                1. -1
                  26 June 2021 09: 29
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  Bend over yes. Because they got it. Anyway, you can't expect anything good from them.

                  how did you get it? they all fled long ago.
                  You remind me (or rather your popping) - drunk. from whom his wife left, and he, continuing to plump, firmly believes that at some point she will return, and he will proudly refuse her. laughing
            2. +1
              26 June 2021 12: 00
              Lots of excuses instead of a simple thank you.

              I laid out the facts, you have not refuted a single one. Instead - "you are all to blame." Like one neighbor here, to whom everyone around is to blame for everything. As a result, no one wants to deal with him, and he sits on the sidelines "offended".
    5. 0
      25 June 2021 20: 17
      Quote: pytar
      The states contain a number of highly controversial hardenings. The detailed analysis will probably be longer than the article itself.
      And in the summary - the author demonstrates views that perfectly show why Russia now has so few allies!
      Boyan, good evening. The stronger the state is militarily and economically, the more "allies" of clients it has (In ancient Rome, it was a half-fledged citizen, legally dependent on the patron-patron). The Russian Empire and the USSR had many "allies" of clients. The Russian Federation is getting stronger, but we may not need "allied" clients .. For they will betray. How betrayed more than once. Friends are needed, but no sycophants
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        1. 0
          25 June 2021 20: 23
          Got it. You are taking ..
      2. 0
        25 June 2021 22: 42
        Boyan, good evening. The stronger the state is militarily and economically, the more "allies" of clients it has ...

        Good evening, Yuri! hi Large planets with strong gravity attract satellites. The law of physics is also important in politics. Possessing satellites, the planet gains more total mass! I mean, the state is getting stronger!
        In ancient Rome - an incomplete citizen, legally dependent on the patron patron

        The question is, how does a strong state acquire allies? To force them, under some circumstances or to come themselves, in view of the attractiveness of the model, which the state imagines to itself! In the first case, they will immediately scatter as soon as they succeed. In the second case, they will defend the model that they will perceive as their own!
        The Russian Empire and the USSR had many "allies" of clients.

        There were both allies and clients. RI and the USSR were completely different, even antagonistic in ideology and in social models.
        The Russian Federation is getting stronger, but we may not need "allies" of clients ..

        Unfortunately, it is not getting stronger. The Russian Federation does not have its own civilizational model. From that there are only clients.
        For they will betray. How betrayed more than once. Friends are needed, but no sycophants

        All states, including the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, the Russian Federation, in their policies were and are always guided by their own interests. In the 90s, you betrayed your country and all your allies. This is a fact, there is nothing to argue about.
        By the way, your GDP said that there are no friends in politics. I will add - there never was, and never will be. According to the above mentioned prochin. Friendship is possible between people, not between states.
        1. +1
          26 June 2021 07: 25
          Quote: pytar
          Friendship is possible between people, not between states.

          Friendship among peoples is possible! I should have said so!
          1. -2
            26 June 2021 08: 46
            Quote: 30 vis
            Friendship among peoples is possible!

            of course
            1. 0
              26 June 2021 09: 52
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: 30 vis
              Friendship among peoples is possible!

              of course

              I have four cousins ​​living in Ukraine, twelve nephews. So, you put your sarcasm in your ashdod!
              1. 0
                26 June 2021 09: 54
                Quote: 30 vis
                I have four cousins ​​living in Ukraine, twelve nephews

                and I have a father-in-law with a mother-in-law - but judging by the VO. they are all there now - ukrobanders and accomplices of the fascists.
                Quote: 30 vis
                You put your sarcasm in your ashdod!

                I live in Haifa tongue
                1. -3
                  26 June 2021 09: 58
                  What's the difference . In Haifa or Ashdod. Shove it in and rejoice.
                  1. -1
                    26 June 2021 10: 10
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    What's the difference . In Haifa or Ashdod

                    big difference.
                    By the way, proper names are written with a capital letter.
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Shove it in and rejoice.

                    Where were you taught manners?
                    Are you all such ukrobander accomplices?
          2. +2
            26 June 2021 12: 02
            Friendship among peoples is possible! I should have said so!

            Sure! There is friendship, most people are all normal! True, propaganda is furiously trying to embarrass the peoples even at the household level, but I think in time everything will come to its place. hi
  3. +7
    25 June 2021 15: 13
    Why is this happening?
    Everything is very simple. The people, as a mass, have no opinion of their own.

    Yes, drop this crap. This happened because the country's authorities betrayed the real values ​​for which our fathers and grandfathers gave their lives. No one needs someone else's master or overseer. And, stop procrastinating the same thing. It is not our fault that they stopped following an example from Russia. Not from what.
    1. -3
      26 June 2021 08: 43
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It happened because the country's authorities betrayed real values, for which our fathers and grandfathers gave their lives

      and for what values ​​did they give their lives? Just interesting.
  4. +3
    25 June 2021 15: 22
    The days of colonization are long gone. We can talk about the involvement of a number of countries in their sphere of influence. No thoughtless sponsorship.
    1. -2
      26 June 2021 08: 44
      Quote: Sergey39
      The days of colonization are long gone. We can talk about the involvement of a number of countries in their sphere of influence. Without thoughtless sponsorship.

      and this is just a personal example. request
      Is there something you can attract?
  5. +4
    25 June 2021 15: 26
    With such a powerful military force of deterrence, it is stupid to talk about war, and our past victories were often used by strangers. Of course, the story of the "Soviet majority" who lived in poverty was pinched. This is a general trend, to find fault with the USSR. Without this you will not become a member of the people. Obviously, without financial injections you will not get a majority in the UN and other organizations. There is simply nothing to argue about here.
    1. +6
      25 June 2021 15: 56
      This is exactly how you look at current education, medicine and pensions, so you immediately understand where the money was spent in the USSR
    2. +4
      25 June 2021 16: 11
      In all likelihood, you did not live in the RSFSR from the mid 70s to the end of the USSR. Especially in rural areas, literally everything had to be "taken out". If the cities were still more or less provided with goods, then little care was taken of the village.
      I repeat, in the RSFSR, other republics lived better.
      Therefore, the phrase about the poverty of the population is not unfounded.
      1. +4
        25 June 2021 16: 17
        Do you understand the meaning of the word "poverty" correctly? In my opinion, no.
        They did not live well, but everyone was well fed and confident in the future. They knew that no matter what, you would receive your pension in any case, housing and work, if desired. And you will live on retirement, and not count a penny until the next one.
        1. -6
          25 June 2021 16: 54
          Seriously? Probably for this reason, all the pearls go to the cities for the defecites? Probably for this reason they were humiliated in queues right? Yes, there was a pension. And what to do with it? Three hours in line to get bird's milk? Is it stability? I freak out from these lamentations about the past. Nothing. Zero. zero. But we were covered in chocolate. We took a pancake buckwheat to the west .. Fucking buckwheat. We didn't eat ration. Sausage was brought back. But retirement is cool. Do you know what's the funniest thing? I am a pancake curd snacks from Gomel to Khabarovsk lane. Pancake with raisins. 8000 km lane Well, they did not sell them with us. But the pension was th
          1. +4
            25 June 2021 19: 21
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Seriously?

            Seriously. I am urban, as it was in the village, without a clue, but I am completely sure that the word poverty means something completely different.
            They went to the city, and when the shelves are full of food, but there is no money to buy it and you go to the store like a museum, what do you call it then? And all this happened right after you went with money to the other end of the country for cheese and the road did not take away SEVERAL pensions !!! Still left for butter and cheese hi
            1. -3
              26 June 2021 07: 13
              How to say that .... it's not tgm cht that the shelves are empty or full. It's about the possibilities. When they are full you can earn. When they are empty, you do not decide anything with money. We went on vacation once a year. And yes. There was money. But what to do with them? Full bag of sausages. Because at home behind a simple boiled line. Maybe you liked it, but I definitely didn't.
            2. -3
              26 June 2021 08: 55
              Quote: Mitroha
              They went to the city, and when the shelves are full of food, but there is no money to buy it and you go to the store like a museum, what do you call it then?

              I'll tell you this, if the store does not have a turnover, it will bend, what am I talking about - that everything you see on the shelves is being sold out - otherwise no one would simply keep it.
              Under the USSR, there was nothing to buy in the village even for those pennies that were. Regional centers fed on trips to cities and buying at least something to load the refrigerator.
              Everything a little bit normal from goods, food, furniture, etc., etc., was in short supply.
              Now, thank God, this is nothing.
          2. +2
            25 June 2021 20: 14
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Seriously? Probably for this reason, all the pearls go to the cities for the defecites? Probably for this reason they were humiliated in queues right? Yes, there was a pension. And what to do with it? Three hours in line to get bird's milk? Is it stability? I freak out from these lamentations about the past. Nothing. Zero. zero. But we were covered in chocolate. We took a pancake buckwheat to the west .. Fucking buckwheat. We didn't eat ration. Sausage was brought back. But retirement is cool. Do you know what's the funniest thing? I am a pancake curd snacks from Gomel to Khabarovsk lane. Pancake with raisins. 8000 km lane Well, they did not sell them with us. But the pension was h

            The question is, who flew from village to city for the deficit? From 80 to 82 years of age until urgent, with Batya they came to his small homeland, in the village of Rubcha, Zhiryatinsky District, Bryansk Region. Since Dad brought a couple of sticks of smoked sausage, the uncle said, they say, don't bring this shit anymore, who will eat it, you don't need it for nothing. ate. Who ate boiled sausage in the village? From time immemorial, there was a snack with bacon and bread. I didn’t bring any more sausages, only seafood, which I made myself, because I was the captain of the fishing seiner, red fish and cod liver. Yes, under the USSR, every city, district center, not to mention the regional center, had its own dairy factories, or even several. They not only supplied shops with dairy products, but a lot of kindergartens, schools, boarding schools, universities, vocational schools, SSPTU, factories and factories ... You come for lunch in the dining room, there was always milk, sour cream, etc. in unlimited quantities. Milk was given for harm. They did not eat buckwheat, they were taken to Belarus, but for what purpose? Speculation - that's what it's called then. I don’t believe that there was no buckwheat in Gomel. My aunt has been living in Klintsy since 83, not far from Gomel, I don’t remember they had problems with buckwheat there. The shelf life of cottage cheese curds is very limited, these are perishable products.
            1. -6
              26 June 2021 07: 14
              Where did we get it from the city?)))
              1. 0
                26 June 2021 11: 06
                That there was not even a trace of dairy products in Khabarovsk, or sausages? Although the belts were different, the earnings were much higher. Judging by the "ration buckwheat" they had to do with the Armed Forces, all types of allowance were different there. There was always a military organization in the military towns, and there was enough of everything. The USSR did not save on the military. I went on business trips from 84 to 87 years and ate in workers' canteens, did not see the workers there being poorly fed. The lunches were complex and he could take a choice himself, and in some people there was free bread on the tables, and so on a penny. Why gain kilograms of boiled sausage? What to do with it, because the shelf life is limited. You can eat half a stick, at most all, you can't eat it. There were no food problems in the late 70s and mid-80s. They would write, they could not buy imported audio-video equipment, the Soviet one did not want to do better, or buy a Zhiguli car of a popular brand of the third or seventh model, so the northerners had benefits for getting a car, and imported clothes and equipment could always be bought, if there were only pennies, more would be true.
                1. -5
                  26 June 2021 11: 24
                  Quote: Unknown
                  There were no food problems in the late 70s and mid-80s

                  you are fantasizing. You are in Kalinin, Pskov, Vologda. have you ever been to the Novgorod regions?
                  And it was in these years. stop
                  Although for some, the presence of bread, margarine, sprat and pasta speaks of abundance.
                  1. 0
                    26 June 2021 13: 55
                    Quote: atalef
                    you are fantasizing. You are in Kalinin, Pskov, Vologda. have you ever been to the Novgorod regions?
                    And it was in these years.
                    Although for some, the presence of bread, margarine, sprat and pasta speaks of abundance.

                    That's just, in these years I have been, and mainly in the Pskov region. Gdov Elizarovo, Seredka, Ostrov, Nevel, even in the then Kalininskaya, the city of Bezhetsk, but then later at the end of the 80s. I have not been to Novgorodskaya, and also Vologda, but I have been to Leningrad, Kaluga, Oryol, Rostovskaya, and still not to list everything. When this is not the case, you will immediately put your teeth on the shelf. One boiled sausage, at least 20 varieties will not be full.
                    1. -2
                      26 June 2021 13: 59
                      Quote: Unknown
                      That's just, in these years I have been, and mainly in the Pskov region. Gdov Elizarovo, Seredka, Island, Nevel

                      Strugi Red - I lived there for several months during these years. and then he came several times a year.
                      Quote: Unknown
                      When this is not the case, you will immediately put your teeth on the shelf. One boiled sausage, at least 20 varieties will not be full

                      it is strange to imagine the presence of 20 varieties of boiled sausage and the absence of bread and pasta.
                      I say it again. if for you
                      Quote: atalef
                      the presence of bread, margarine, sprat and pasta speaks of abundance.

                      then yes - it was abundance. here it began with it and ended with it
                      1. 0
                        26 June 2021 14: 29
                        Quote: atalef
                        Strugi Red - I lived there for several months during these years. and then he came several times a year.

                        And there they were treated to boiled sausage? We should have been closer to Lake Peipsi, they would have treated us to vendace.
                        Quote: atalef
                        it is strange to imagine the presence of 20 varieties of boiled sausage and the absence of bread and pasta.
                        I say it again. if for you

                        And I say, you won't be full of sausage.
                      2. -2
                        26 June 2021 14: 32
                        Quote: Unknown
                        And there they were treated to boiled sausage?

                        there was no sausage there.
                        the shops are empty like everywhere else. Everyone from the gardens lived and kept cattle
            2. -3
              26 June 2021 09: 02
              Quote: Unknown
              Since Dad brought a couple of sticks of smoked sausage, the uncle said, they say, don't bring more of this shit

              authority uncle, on the basis of this it is possible to make a verdict on the system
              Quote: Unknown
              Who ate boiled sausage in the village?

              ate if it was possible to buy.
              you remind me

              did not live in a village or in a village - but like you know everything about her
              Quote: Unknown
              Yes, under the USSR, in every city, regional center, not to mention the regional center, there were dairies, or even several

              As if in the city of Nelidovo, Kalinin region, there were as many as 2, and milk was sold only 2 times a week, and they did not know about such exotic products as butter and cheese at all. We went to Moscow - overnight by train. 1977 - developed socialism is its mother.


              Quote: Unknown
              My aunt has been living in Klintsy since 83, not far from Gomel, I don’t remember they had problems with buckwheat there.

              did you live in Klintsy or in Gomel?
              1. -1
                26 June 2021 13: 36
                Quote: atalef
                authority uncle, on the basis of this it is possible to make a verdict on the system

                Father's brother, he has always been authoritative for me, both in age and in experience. Hold a grudge against the Soviet government, as it has been gone for a long time, and the rural people have almost disappeared altogether, despite the fact that they have now become known as Tverskaya.
                Quote: atalef
                did not live in a village or in a village - but like you know everything about her

                Villager? Can you tell the difference between winter rye and winter wheat?
                Or distinguish millet from oats
                .
                Quote: atalef

                As if in the city of Nelidovo, Kalinin region, there were as many as 2, and milk was sold only 2 times a week, and they did not know about such exotic products as butter and cheese at all. We went to Moscow - overnight by train. 1977 - developed socialism - his mother

                Yes, and nannies from orphanages, as well as nurses from hospitals with milk cans stood, this is in 77 years. Come on in the same spirit, maybe someone will believe. Listen, why go to Moscow, and even at night? Since it was so bad, everything was there, it didn’t suit, we sat down and went The union was big, no visas or permits were needed, knowledge of local languages ​​was also open to all four sides, and everywhere it was required, it was required. Big money, to miners, to fishing fleet, there were a lot of places. In the same north, for milk twice a day, there is no need to stand there for free for harm. Why did they sit in the regional center, then? So it was fine, everyone was happy.
                Quote: atalef
                did you live in Klintsy or in Gomel?

                I will answer those who do not know, 90-km from Klintsy to Gomel, I have often been here and there.
                1. -1
                  26 June 2021 14: 17
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Hold a grudge against Soviet power

                  yes no, why take offense at the corpse?
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Villager? Can you tell the difference between winter rye and winter wheat?

                  and in the countryside only did this?
                  Is it barley rye or what crap?
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Listen, why go to Moscow, and even at night?

                  it is very simple to catch the opening of shops in the morning, fill up to the maximum and catch the return train.
                  And he walked for 7-8 hours
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Since it was so bad, everything was there, it didn’t suit, we sat down and drove off The union was big

                  Well, yes, everywhere it was so easy and expected. They provided housing, registration and most importantly, there was chocolate everywhere laughing , except for that separate place where we lived at that time.
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Big money, in miners, in the fishing fleet, there were many places

                  Well, yes, my mother, a teacher of Russian and literature, would look great in a mine or she would fish, and my father is a cap 2 osnaz with a pick in the face
                  Quote: Unknown
                  To the same north, you don't have to stand for milk twice a day,

                  Seriously ? Where did you live in the north? I am up to 7 years old in Gadzhievo, by the way, the base of atamokhodov. There was milk, abundance - well, I don't remember
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Why did they sit in the regional center, then? So it was fine, everyone was happy.

                  no, my father retired, they waited for an apartment for 3 years, lived with his mother in Kalininskaya.
                  Quote: Unknown
                  I will answer those who do not know, 90-km from Klintsy to Gomel, I have often been here and there.

                  Yes, I know, I was born in Gomel and have often been there, of course I cannot compare with Russia - the supply was not bad, and my mother's father was in a good position.
                  But what does this have to do with it? This is what cancels the empty shelves of the Russian hinterland?
                  1. -1
                    26 June 2021 15: 07
                    Quote: atalef
                    yes no, why take offense at the corpse?

                    Then tales about that time, no need to tell.
                    Quote: atalef
                    and in the countryside only did this?
                    Rye is there barley or some other crap

                    They did a lot in the countryside, but the main task is to grow bread, without it there will be no sausages.
                    Quote: atalef
                    it is very simple to catch the opening of shops in the morning, fill up to the maximum and catch the return train.
                    And he walked for 7-8 hours

                    So they were engaged in peddling.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Seriously ? Where did you live in the north? I am up to 7 years old in Gadzhievo, by the way, the base of atamokhodov. There was milk, abundance - well, I don't remember

                    He did not live in the north. Was farther south in the Baltic. Do you want to say there was no abundance on the basis of nuclear-powered ships? Did the boats leave without food supplies? I don’t believe. Submariners were always fed at a special rate, supplies for the top five.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, yes, everywhere it was so easy and expected. They provided housing, registration, and most importantly, there was chocolate everywhere, except for that separate place where we lived at that time.

                    We were given housing and registration, everything was there. From the service of demobels, they were immediately invited to the construction sites of the national economy, promising housing. The brother-in-law, after serving in 78, immediately went to the construction of the Phosphorite plant, in the Leningrad region of the Kingisepp mountains, where a year later they gave him an apartment. The plant grew, and with it the city. This was the case everywhere in new buildings.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, yes, my mother, a teacher of Russian and literature, would look great in a mine or she would fish, and my father is a cap 2 osnaz with a pick in the face

                    My dad was the captain of the MRTK, and among the captains of fishing collective farms there were quite a few retirees, and they received decently, at least not less than in the Navy. And since fishing villages were being built, the collective farms were rich, teachers and librarians were required, and the collective farm too immediately put on the line. So there would be a desire. Dad didn’t stay in the village either, after the service he graduated from sailing in St. Petersburg and went fishing.
                    1. -1
                      26 June 2021 19: 07
                      Quote: Unknown
                      Quote: atalef
                      yes no, why take offense at the corpse?

                      Then tales about that time, no need to tell.
                      Quote: atalef
                      and in the countryside only did this?
                      Rye is there barley or some other crap

                      They did a lot in the countryside, but the main task is to grow bread, without it there will be no sausages.
                      Quote: atalef
                      it is very simple to catch the opening of shops in the morning, fill up to the maximum and catch the return train.
                      And he walked for 7-8 hours

                      So they were engaged in peddling.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Seriously ? Where did you live in the north? I am up to 7 years old in Gadzhievo, by the way, the base of atamokhodov. There was milk, abundance - well, I don't remember

                      He did not live in the north. Was farther south in the Baltic. Do you want to say there was no abundance on the basis of nuclear-powered ships? Did the boats leave without food supplies? I don’t believe. Submariners were always fed at a special rate, supplies for the top five.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, yes, everywhere it was so easy and expected. They provided housing, registration, and most importantly, there was chocolate everywhere, except for that separate place where we lived at that time.

                      We were given housing and registration, everything was there. From the service of demobels, they were immediately invited to the construction sites of the national economy, promising housing. The brother-in-law, after serving in 78, immediately went to the construction of the Phosphorite plant, in the Leningrad region of the Kingisepp mountains, where a year later they gave him an apartment. The plant grew, and with it the city. This was the case everywhere in new buildings.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, yes, my mother, a teacher of Russian and literature, would look great in a mine or she would fish, and my father is a cap 2 osnaz with a pick in the face

                      My dad was the captain of the MRTK, and among the captains of fishing collective farms there were quite a few retirees, and they received decently, at least not less than in the Navy. And since fishing villages were being built, the collective farms were rich, teachers and librarians were required, and the collective farm too immediately put on the line. So there would be a desire. Dad didn’t stay in the village either, after the service he graduated from sailing in St. Petersburg and went fishing.

                      I read it, laughed, you don't know nichrome about that life
                      1. -2
                        26 June 2021 19: 31
                        Quote: atalef
                        I read it, laughed, you don't know nichrome about that life

                        They didn’t drink to brotherhood with you, so that they could poke me, an expert on Soviet life and collective farm life, too. Millet cannot be distinguished from oats, but you still climb there. And you can continue to tell fables about life in the USSR, to those who did not live then, and did not worked. In my worthless life, I didn't lift a bag of sausage heavier, but you argue how the hard workers lived. It would be better to keep silent.
                      2. -1
                        26 June 2021 21: 30
                        Quote: Unknown
                        And you can continue to tell fables about life in the USSR, to those who did not live and did not work then. In your worthless life, I didn't lift a bag of sausage heavier, but you argue how the hard workers lived

                        I read it and laughed again.
        2. +6
          25 June 2021 17: 07
          In each state, poverty is understood in its own way. You can be full from potatoes and bread.
          If, for example, in Sweden a "beggar" -poor can have a car, a house and much more, then somewhere in the jungles of Africa he will be considered a rich man.
          And at the described time in Russia it was very difficult for many.
          I myself worked as a chauffeur, every time, when traveling to the city, fellow villagers came and asked to bring them the most ordinary things. If I had to go to Kazakhstan, I saw a difference in the assortment.
          About the article itself.
          140 billion forgiven $, with this money it was possible to raise all agriculture, build roads, conduct gas, and much more.
          You need to help, there are no words, but you still need to know when to stop.
        3. -2
          26 June 2021 08: 50
          Quote: Mitroha
          Do you understand the meaning of the word "poverty" correctly? In my opinion, no.
          We did not live well, yes, but everyone was well fed and confident in the future.

          Tapa like the DPRK now. Do you want to go to the DPRK? you will be sure that tomorrow, the day after tomorrow and another 100 years in advance, nothing will change, including the name of the great leader.
          Quote: Mitroha
          ... And you will live on retirement, and not count a penny until the next one.

          do not drive, do you know what pensions were in the village?
          1. +1
            26 June 2021 13: 52
            atalef: Do you know what the pension is now? And what can you buy with them now?
            Just don't cite the pensions of ministers, deputies, colonels and other generals as an example.
            Are you accustomed to reasoning because of the cordon, how we should now be happy with democracy and capitalism.
            1. -3
              26 June 2021 14: 02
              Quote: Kuzyakin15
              atalef: Do you know what the pension is now?

              I saw old women collective farmers receiving pensions in the early 80s of 12-15 rubles. do you want to say that then with this money it was possible to show off?
              What pensions are now - I do not know, probably the same minuscule, but this does not cancel the situation in the past
              Quote: Kuzyakin15
              Are you accustomed to reasoning because of the cordon, how we should now be happy with democracy and capitalism.

              Well, we're happy, why don't you be like us?
      2. +4
        25 June 2021 16: 38
        Yes, a lot was like that, it was in the summer after the 1st grade, my grandfather bought butter, and was taken to the Kuban. I asked why there is so much (box), my grandfather answered and you won’t buy it from us ... It was strange for me to understand this. But 91 came ........
      3. +1
        25 June 2021 19: 32
        Blacksmith 55. I lived in the USSR since 46, when I was little they took in the queue for bread, but that was when it was. Yes, there was a shortage in the USSR. And there was poverty among those who did not want to work. And in general, what do you consider poverty? Poverty is good when the khanygs wore Polish costumes.
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 20: 13
          I agree that there is a difference between poverty and misery. But believe me, not that big.
          My grandmother worked all her life on a collective farm, and during the war years, upon retirement she received, you will not believe, 12 rubles. Is this not poverty, or poverty? A vegetable garden, a cow rescued, and this is also work. And she received 2 wheat centers from the collective farm.
          And this is in the largest country, the richest in minerals.
          You are not a resident of a village - a village, otherwise you would not say that.
        2. -2
          26 June 2021 09: 05
          Quote: nikvic46
          Poverty is good when the khanygs wore Polish costumes.

          request
          they lived poorly, but those who worked.
      4. +2
        25 June 2021 19: 41
        Blacksmith 55. If the current state established the entire social system, including medicine, education, utilities, it would be enough for no more than six months. In this case, it is necessary to take into account light, gas, heat - all of this for the most part was built under the USSR.
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 20: 48
          Whoever knows rural life knows hard work. First at work (and there is an irregular working day), then at home. This is not in the city, plowed 8 hours and legs on the sofa.
          Yes, the products are mostly their own, but how much work has been invested in this.
          The city and the village are 2 different worlds. I have enough relatives in the city. This is familiar.
          1. -2
            26 June 2021 09: 11
            Quote: Blacksmith 55
            Whoever knows rural life knows hard work. First at work (and there is an irregular working day), then at home. This is not in the city, plowed 8 hours and legs on the sofa.

            You are absolutely right, I am touched by these sofa experts, experts on life in the countryside - who were there exclusively in childhood, coming to my grandmother for a couple of summer months.
            those who have not lived in the village do not know what it is. Yes, 995 percent of the rural population would gladly refuse from these vegetable gardens stretching over the horizon, cows and pigs. If a village salary could buy all this in a store (I'm not talking about the fact that even if there was money, there was nothing to buy)
            not hoping in his garden and in the barn (after work, of course) in the village it was impossible to live, from the word at all. I would die of hunger.
            1. 0
              26 June 2021 09: 47
              If it were possible, I would give you 10 pluses, but ....
              I support you with my soul.
            2. +1
              26 June 2021 14: 08
              atalef: Did you live in the village yourself? There is some grain of truth in your words.
              Have you ever been to the village at the present time? Not in a kibbutz, but in a Russian one?
              In the village now * oops! Complete. The salary is 15-17 thousand. a dream for many. In the farms (where they have survived) from spring to late autumn they receive advances, purely for food (I do not give the numbers, everywhere in different ways). In the fall, as agricultural products are sold, a balanets with a debit "will get something, they will get something. 150-200 thousand. And many might and would like to have their own animals," they cannot "- they bite very much feed. So the villagers go for meat, milk and eggs to the store, on credit, on record.
    3. -2
      26 June 2021 08: 47
      Quote: nikvic46
      It is clear that without financial injections you will not get a majority in the UN and other organizations.

      Why do you need a majority in the UN?
      With your veto right then.
  6. -1
    25 June 2021 15: 50
    There are a couple of interesting thoughts.
    And the rest is some kind of porridge.
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  8. 0
    25 June 2021 16: 12
    The question is, do you need to be different? Maybe in this issue with the United States and Great Britain it is worth taking an example?

    In any case, it is necessary not to step on the rake of the times of the USSR, but to pursue a tough policy both in the military sphere and in the sphere of economics and politics in relation to opponents such as the United States and their mongrels, and to neutral countries, and to so-called allies such as Belarus exclusively in favor of their state and the peoples inhabiting it. Whoever wishes, he may well join. And pretending to be a holy man in white for the whole world is not the best style of behavior for a country like Russia.
  9. +1
    25 June 2021 16: 25
    Delirium your kabily. We are offered to be like the Anglo-Saxons. But we are not Anglo-Saxons and we cannot better apply their methods. And now an example:
    We generally felt insecure. In America, people don't trust each other. "

    RT visited the Platt Orthodox family with many children, who moved from the United States to Sergiev Posad almost two years ago. According to the Americans, they wanted to live in a country where traditional values ​​were upheld. Anna and John are now expecting their tenth child.

    The couple said that there were several reasons for the move - from the BLM movement, which is hiding behind the fight against racism for terrorizing the white population, to outright LGBT propaganda and government policies aimed at destroying the traditional family.

    John remembered how, five years ago, his son Raphael tried to beat African Americans, believing that he voted for Trump. “At the school where our children studied, students were asked to think about who they think they are and want to be - a boy or a girl,” added Anna.

    Moving to another country was not easy for members of a large family, but they really like it in Russia. Especially Americans are struck by the kindness and responsiveness of people.

    Now the Platts are applying for a residence permit in Russia, the migration service agreed to provide them with a quota for obtaining a residence permit without waiting in line.

    Earlier, RT talked about several American families who decided to move to Russia for the same reasons.

    I wonder if this would happen if we acted like the Anglo-Saxons? People should not be considered a herd of sheep, as the author does. If you believe him, then everyone who writes here is also sheep. And if so, who is the author? Sheep, too?
    There is a saying in the Bible that goes something like this: there will come a time when nine sick people will come to a healthy one and say - you are sick because you are not like us. And the author in this article proposes to join these patients.
    1. -5
      25 June 2021 17: 40
      Delirium your kabily. We are offered to be like the Anglo-Saxons. But we are not Anglo-Saxons and we cannot better apply their methods.

      Respect to you, Oleg! hi Straight to the point! If you become like others, you get a bad imitation! Defective initially! Moving away from your uniqueness, you will not become stronger than the one who was originally!
      I wonder if this would happen if we acted like the Anglo-Saxons? People should not be considered a herd of sheep, as the author does. If you believe him, then everyone who writes here is also sheep. And if so, who is the author? Sheep, too? There is a saying in the Bible that goes something like this: there will come a time when nine sick people will come to a healthy one and say - you are sick, because you are not like us. And the author in this article proposes to join these patients.

      Brilliantly said! You are a wise man! Class from me! good
  10. +4
    25 June 2021 16: 32
    If we implement the author's suggestions, then we will get local wars on several fronts. What does it mean to hold the territory of a base, for example, in Syria, under a hostile government of this country? It means fighting against its population incited against us, armed by our sworn friends. What, Afghanistan has not taught anything?
    These are vicious proposals, they will not lead to anything good.
    If you want economic benefits, then either leaving the country to export the corresponding values ​​(which, by the way, is what the Americans are doing in Syria now), or buy / keep the ruling elite and also export / use the corresponding values. But do not build an independent state there, it will backfire on you later when it slips out of your hands.
  11. +5
    25 June 2021 16: 52
    One of the distinguishing features of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), of which Russia is the successor, has become assistance to the so-called "fraternal countries." Did the Soviet Union have anything to do with this?
    Economically, practically nothing, politically, a couple of reliable friends and a bunch of venal Tobacco, ready to sell the "mom" too.
  12. +3
    25 June 2021 17: 02
    Tough, but essentially true.
  13. +2
    25 June 2021 17: 27
    I would like to know these friendly countries. Vanuatu or whatever? North Sudan, too, was a friendly strange, until a certain time, the Americans outbid. Nicaragua, perhaps, but there is a need to start digging a "second Panamanian" or the Chinese have already started? Cuba remains, but what to build there? No, you can build, provided that everything from a nut to a machine tool will be Russian-made. This by the way applies to other countries. Africa, but there are Chinese like in China, this applies to those countries that were previously in zone of Soviet influence. SEA? So all the warm places there are clogged, and some countries of this region can themselves build their factories in Russia. They have already plundered, in other places they are robbed, without Russia. No, there are still wild corners of nature .. But they are not really waiting for us there. There is nothing to offer, not even galoshes.
  14. +4
    25 June 2021 17: 30
    Obtaining territories with resources in case of non-payment of debts, for example, is practiced by China. If they lend to all sorts of rogue, then the pledge should be the resources of the rogue, and they usually exist.
    Security measures for the GOK, port, employees, etc. in my opinion, should be carried out by private security organizations, or a department created within the company
    with minimal involvement of local personnel, these will always pass.
    I agree with some provisions of the article.
    When do we start?
    1. -2
      26 June 2021 09: 15
      Quote: Humpty
      Obtaining territories with resources in case of non-payment of debts, for example, is practiced by China.

      can you give an example?
      Quote: Humpty
      Security measures for the GOK, port, employees, etc. in my opinion, should be carried out by private security organizations, or a department created within the company
      with minimal involvement of local personnel, these will always pass.

      and isn't it easier to just invest? Or just buy enterprises and manage yourself - well, as they do all over the world - or do you absolutely need a machine-gun tower to stand?
      1. 0
        26 June 2021 13: 48
        Quote: atalef
        can you give an example?

        A section of the Sarykol ridge of about 1000 km2 was transferred by Tajikistan to China for debts. Another 1500 km2, the status is unclear, I will definitely not say anything. The area is rich in ores, there are gems, in the old limits the Chinese mine emeralds. It is easy to bring additional communications. The Chinese moved their border to the west a little in that area, very convenient.
        Quote: atalef
        and isn't it easier to just invest? Or just buy enterprises and manage by ourselves - well, as they do all over the world

        What is the question, so adequate people and work with more or less adequate.
        Quote: atalef
        Or do you definitely need a machine gun tower to stand?

        First, find first someone who will dare to invest money in the business, and then work "behind the thorn". Therefore, the transfer of land with resources for use (for debts) is relevant, the status of the land is changing. This is for the inadequate, and Russia has and will have such debtors, even allies.
        There are few countries with which no business agreements on large investments work without wolf show-off. Personally, I've seen enough of this with a brute force ..
        It's easy to work with private security organizations conveniently, the local public can be attracted, guard the entrance to the dining room. They are still unsuitable for more. In fact, using them on the occasion, to spread plausible information, word of mouth among the local population.
        The machine gun is not necessary. Saiga is usually used. But of course, there is often something to protect from all outsiders, AHOV, explosives, but you never know what else.
        1. -1
          26 June 2021 14: 07
          Quote: Humpty
          Therefore, the transfer of land with resources for use (for debts) is relevant, the status of the land is changing.

          transfer is how? Ownership with a change in nationality? Or just a concession or a transfer of ownership?
          Well, the second is absolutely normal practice. People buy land in other countries, buy businesses, companies take out concessions for the development of minerals.
          Nothing so supernatural.
          Nobody will transfer the land to you for debts, that it will become the territory of Russia.
          1. 0
            26 June 2021 14: 21
            Quote: atalef
            transfer is how? Ownership with a change in nationality?

            This is sometimes most convenient if there is a common border and an interesting resource is located directly next to it. But specifically, Russia does not have a very suitable geography in this regard.
            For factories, ports, IMHO, a concession is convenient. For deposits - long-term lease of land with subsoil use rights, similar to Hong Kong.
  15. +6
    25 June 2021 18: 49
    In the text of the respected author, of course, there is a rational kernel.
    ButThere are no signs that there are any changes in the attitude of some countries in the foreign policy of Russia. Properly, and there are no signs of a change in economic policy, both foreign and domestic.
    Respectively, all the good thoughts, wishes and useful suggestions expressed by the author in the article remain unclaimed, alas ... hi
    1. -9
      26 June 2021 07: 17

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
      Yesterday, 18: 49
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      +1
      In the text of the respected author, of course, there is a rational kernel.
      However, there are no signs that there are any changes in the attitude of some countries in the foreign policy of Russia.
      Open your eyes, and do not judge by your own rules. fool negative fool
      Actually, there are no signs of a change in economic policy, both foreign and domestic.
      But are you to judge, let alone lie at every step, when it comes to Russia? you there in your sky more often look, you never know what will fly ... maybe some sparrow on your bale goes to the toilet, and maybe ... you never know what? laughing
      1. +3
        26 June 2021 09: 17
        Quote: aszzz888
        But are you to judge, let alone lie at every step, when it comes to Russia? you there in your sky more often look, you never know what will fly ...

        when it is bad with arguments, they become personal. The well-known manner of a gopnik. request
  16. 0
    25 June 2021 20: 31
    Read what they write ... I myself am shocked after what I read ...
    https://cod38.ru/regionalnye-novosti/opyat-groby-opyat-voina.html
  17. +2
    25 June 2021 20: 37
    A counter question - why should our foreign policy take an example from anyone?
    This is not a question of taste preferences "I want more" - "I want to soften", it is a question of an objective perception of who we are. And we are the largest state in the world in terms of territory. Even with the remaining vassals with us, we are huge. And we have almost ALL the resources needed for anything. For which other states wash each other from (and before) the Nativity of Christ.
    What should be the foreign policy of a country WHICH HAS EVERYTHING ?! Probably, it should be aimed at RETAINING and MASTERING all this. We want our neighbors choking with saliva to tear off our goods and products with their hands, so that the best minds crush each other in the queues for our citizenship. Outside of this, there is little to worry about - our policy and our project should not rely on squeezing out of anyone, anything. And for the control and development of the wrung out in ancient times.
    That's the whole simple idea - we will not find this simple idea in anyone in the world, because EVERYONE WANTS SOMETHING. And we ALREADY have it. We need an influx of minds, demographics, build-build and improve. IN THE WORLD. That's all our policy from the "Necessary" section. Of course, this idea can be developed to the point of absurdity - that we need the whole world, power, influence, a place at the head of the table with big boys - but this will be subjective.
    1. +1
      25 June 2021 21: 41
      It is harsh to demand this, as it were, by force, but by force it is unlikely that it will work, at least it didn’t work before, other strong forces intervene. even in 1815 it was not possible from France to demand the gold they exported in 1812 from Moscow
      1. +1
        25 June 2021 22: 55
        Why demand something? We have the means and the ability to keep the near zone on a short leash - there would be a healthy political environment (we have) and a desire to do work - methodical, painstaking and "for a long time", again by the authorities. If instead of Yanuk we interacted and raised a more serious person - the situation 2o14 with all the consequences would not have happened, and if, after the collapse of the alliance, we had a competent foreign policy on the CIS-Ykrain, then we would also have Crimea, only without all these applications and complexities.
        We ourselves create a lot of problems and inconveniences for ourselves with our not very long-lasting and well-thought-out policy on the "near zone" - if we had acted more competently historically - we would now be talking differently, and economically we would be a completely different state.
        Just the same, those countries are demanding and rushing about, the elites of which have missed some chances one after another and want to make up for something by overstrain, by storming. I am a supporter of the fact that we have enough available resources to live well, we only need competence and methodology. And we will inevitably go to success - not conquering or colonizing anyone.
    2. -3
      26 June 2021 09: 24
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      And we are the largest state in the world in terms of territory.

      And?
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Even with the remaining vassals with us - we are huge

      Well ?
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      What should be the foreign policy of a country WHICH HAS EVERYTHING?

      do you have everything? belay
      And where is it all?
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We want our neighbors choking with saliva to tear off our goods and products with their hands, so that the best minds crush each other in the queues for our citizenship.

      and it is possible without blood, severed hands and crushed in queues of the best minds?
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      and our project should not rely on squeezing out of someone, something. And for the control and development of the wrung out in ancient times.

      key word wrung out when that wrung out ends request
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      That's the whole simple idea - we will not find this simple idea in anyone in the world, because EVERYONE WANTS SOMETHING.

      Well, yes, but you don't want anything like that. Of course, everything is already depressed laughing
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      And we ALREADY have it. We need a brain gain

      if there is - what the fuck is needed?
  18. +3
    25 June 2021 22: 30
    RF policy should be as pragmatic as possible

    Such a "pragmatic" policy has already led to the fact that Russia has no allies left. Not everything that is good for Gazprom or Rosneft is good for Russia.
    1. +1
      25 June 2021 23: 59
      So they, allies, never ever were,
    2. -2
      26 June 2021 09: 25
      Quote: hermit
      Such a "pragmatic" policy has already led to the fact that Russia has no allies left. Not everything that is good for Gazprom or Rosneft is good for Russia.

  19. +4
    26 June 2021 06: 31
    The author is a genius! If the Russian Federation pursued such a policy and defended its interests in this way, then the attitude towards it would be completely different, both on the part of foreign states and on the part of citizens of the Russian Federation.
    1. 0
      27 June 2021 11: 42
      Quote: silver169
      The author is a genius! If the Russian Federation pursued such a policy and defended its interests in this way, then the attitude towards it would be completely different, both on the part of foreign states and on the part of citizens of the Russian Federation.

      Then Russia would have been attacked in the 90s.
  20. 0
    26 June 2021 13: 03
    The Soviet leadership was much more literate, far-sighted, and also peace-loving, so the feeling of security and stability among the Soviet people was much higher than that of today.
  21. 0
    26 June 2021 14: 39
    "A guarantee of a retaliatory active aggression against regimes friendly to the United States to make them think before taking similar actions against the Russian Federation, to force them to negotiate with us."...

    It's hard not to agree ... Recently, for some reason, I see the so-called international situation in the form of companies of gopnik-punks, an indifferent stratum to everything and a part of normal people who cannot stand up for themselves ... However, even if the most helpless one kicks in the face or between the legs of a gopnik - next time he will think about whether he should be rude and influence even a harmless old man ...
    PS In connection with the recent events with the British destroyer ... There is already talk about the need for UK membership in NATO ... Well, if the WB were not part of the NATO gop-shaitan-company, then this destroyer would be sunk, as well as the entire island, it would not be such an easy and unrealizable business ...
    And THEY understood THIS when they were going to violate ... It is a pity that the pilot did not bang at least one OFAB-250 on the deck ... No one would have unleashed a war with Russia because of this ... THEY are afraid themselves, they are waiting when some imperfections, the idea of ​​a war with Russia ... Some neighbors have been at war with Russia for many years ...
  22. +2
    26 June 2021 18: 59
    Thank you for your work and article - there is something to talk about! After all, the article is not only the answer - the solution, but also the invitation of the author to the dialogue of the audience.

    Conceptually, strategically, that between men and between countries, any relationship is ultimately a matter of agreements and whether the parties have the strength to fulfill their promises, including if the other party does not fulfill its part of the agreement.
    In this respect, we (the Russian Federation) would at least defend ourselves properly, let alone organize colonial wars across the sea. (subjective opinion, mine)

    Does it mean that we have no interests abroad and do not need to defend them - no does not mean.
    The question in another plane lies - what do we want that ?!
    Developed capital countries actually compete for markets for their goods and for the opportunity to take relatively cheap resources, which are better non-renewable.
    There are quite reasonable questions to the Russian Federation:
    - which markets are being closed for us, that we need to arrange a revolution there in order to supply our goods there?
    - Why do we need to bring ore and gas to Russia from Africa, for example?

    - Why all these military, political, economic attempts and risk the lives of our guys (if there will be a big war there) to an ordinary citizen of Russia?

    In my opinion, there is a narrow range of tasks where our political elite is really underperforming:

    - This is a belt of countries around the Russian Federation and the exclusion of armed coups, civil wars and NATO bases there. But here it is not the military and not so much the military, here it is more special services + the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should carry out state policy, but there is no intelligible one, not even a declaration of intentions.
    - This is work with citizens and opinion leaders, creating all kinds of funds for democracy
    - This is the systematic financing of programs in the Russian Federation according to the methods and methods, methods, proposals for the collapse of everything that our partners need - from surgical precise actions to mass actions, of course, democratic. Purely economic, informational and agent-based methods. No wars - everything is peaceful and voluntary! And so much can be done and even a lot of money is not needed :)))
    I believed and still believe that a smart analyst is better than an aircraft carrier and more dangerous for a potential partner. But why don't they want to dig in this direction with us ...
    And strategically, in my opinion, it is necessary to become such a country whose products and technologies are ahead of the whole world for decades, and better for centuries. Then the question of robbing someone and protecting the loot will become irrelevant at all.
    In general, I see the main task of society and Russia is to help every citizen realize his potential for the benefit of his own and society. This is the wealth.
    Increase the global fund of culture. Just don't disappear as a civilization.
    Find solutions for how people can become Individuals and remain people.
    And I am not inspired by the idea to profit from the children of Africa ... Even if it is profitable and if everyone does it ...
    There are things and categories where benefits and a piece of bread are higher and this is obvious. I do not at all call to pray and do nothing while waiting for the end (heaven / hell, etc. is not our method, but to put it on a strategy based on simply robbing the weaker as a national path of development, I see it as the need to accelerate and get better and smarter faster. and stronger.
    I may be wrong a thousand times.
    1. 0
      28 June 2021 16: 05
      I may be wrong a thousand times.

      you are right here if you think like a citizen of the country.
      But our state has long scored on the interests of citizens, and lives by the interests of public and private corporations. They will find and where to send the resources and where the profits earned so as not to pay even taxes in the Russian Federation.
      And what you are proposing is absurd - the best hundred or two of the elite will not be able to enrich themselves in this way: it will not be possible to develop citizens and make them Personalities and take out billions from the country at the same time. And Individuals can still ask the elite "and from what ...... do respected people have such incomes and such assets"? And why does the elite need it when everything is fine anyway?
      For what? For your country? So their youths are unlikely to live here, and the concept of "their own country" in their understanding is similar to "this is our cow, and we milk it."
      That's how we live...
      1. 0
        11 July 2021 10: 45
        Some theses from me to your comment.
        1. Our elite, the state, it is not monolithic, there are different groups of interests, respectively, you can find tactical allies and unite with the enemies of enemies.
        2. He himself becomes an elite in essence: ideological, financial and political.
        3. The fact that the proposed may not be very beneficial to the minority is of course, but why should 145 million citizens ask them for their opinion of what is beneficial to them and what is not.
        4. The point of our key socio-political suspension is the disunity of citizens (the position of citizens: I cannot change anything, nothing depends on me, power = villains, thieves - and this is bad, so I will not touch upon this, study what and how I I can do - at least out of personal selfish interests - okay for society ...) and ways of constructively overcoming disunity for the implementation of national tasks. (the skill to negotiate even at the level of 3-5 people - I myself just observe the lack of skills as in setting a positive agenda = what I want, and the skills to hear the other and negotiate, and even higher mathematics, if the agreement is not based on commodity-money relations. (you tell me to you) Well, for example, write a statement to the administration as a team - ask for a shop at the entrance - it is not a thermonuclear reactor or communism to build, and the task is not simple - those in doubt can conduct a natural experiment.
  23. +1
    26 June 2021 21: 41
    Colonize won't work.
    He does not know how to make friends and fight.
    Is this nonsense or politics?
  24. 0
    27 June 2021 11: 40
    A very controversial opinion! The author does not understand that this is exactly what the "West" wants. Carry on provocations, and then paint the image of "evil", and form a moral justification for the aggression against Russia. This will soon untie the hands of NATO and they will press even harder or even declare war when the image of "evil" and public opinion is for the invasion. Since Russia will start swinging its fists. The author is greatly mistaken. To behave this way, you need to have a strong economy.
  25. +2
    28 June 2021 10: 28
    The economic and defense power of Russia is not as great as that of the USSR. If the USSR pursued its policy in the name of socialism, then today's Russia is going to fight for what?
    A country that has a GDP less than that of the state of California, and a defense budget 17 times less than the American one and is 52nd in the world in terms of living standards is not a serious adversary.
    Only a bluff is the essence of Putin's policy.
  26. 0
    28 June 2021 15: 53
    The dream of the oligarchs patriots:
    Let Russian corporations, private and public, get there.
    и
    Russian expeditionary forces and forces of private military companies (PMCs) should be deployed in these territories. In this combination, the official expeditionary force will protect the territory from invasion.

    Privatization of profits and nationalization of losses. Spill the blood of soldiers (in the army) and taxpayer money to increase corporate profits. In the USA or Europe, it works, because this profit comes to the USA and Europe, increasing the expenses of corporations and their management inside the country, creating jobs for the development and redistribution of money received from the banana republics. And then, the further, the worse, if you look at the decline in the size of the middle class and the growth of the number of poor. But from Russia, the profits that we have earned are leaking to offshores and Western countries, while profits from abroad will not reach Russia, and will be reflected in the creation of jobs in the form of some African department of an oil company for 15-20 human. And the income of the Motherland will not even be comparable to the costs of expeditionary forces in the region, but the oligarchs will rejoice.

    What resources do we want to download from neo-colonies? We ourselves are a raw material country that exports resources abroad! Rare earth metals, except for high-tech products, which we do not produce. The products of what technological industries do we want to supply there in order to be ready to force the boys to fight for these "sales markets"? Except perhaps for weapons that these banana republics cannot pay for.
    In general, neocolonists sound unconvincing. All our problems are primarily within the country, and they need to be solved internally. To develop science and economics, education and health care, to restore industry, to develop new technologies, to create new industries on their basis. Finally, raise the standard of living in the country. And then we will have something to offer the world, and supporters and allies will appear.
    And the Alikperovs, Mordashovs, Sechins and other Millers should think how to get profit from foreign corporations without budget money and the blood of boys. This is not a public matter - private profits.