Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cynically violate the laws of war and kill the citizens of the republics

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It is strange on the day of memory and sorrow, on the day on which the first Soviet people died 80 years ago from fascist bullets, shells, bombs, to remember completely different sorrowful events. Happening right now, this minute and second. Yes, today tens of thousands do not perish, even thousands per day do not perish, but is the number of lives taken from humanity so important? Even one life is a tragedy.

Many readers in their comments express outrage at the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas. Actions vile, cynical and unworthy of a military man. Only bandits do this. To fire on an ambulance, which even OSCE observers warned about, to kill a doctor is a crime. The deaths and injuries of servicemen in war or in combat operations are familiar and understandable. But to shoot at those who save ...



The Ukrainian military cannot fail to understand this. No matter what observers, journalists, experts say, there are certain laws of war, violation of which leads to the fact that even for your own people you become a stranger. You become an outcast, like, for example, the punitive battalions of nationalists for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, even realizing that they are acting disgustingly, the Ukrainian military goes on such operations. Why? What drives them to commit a crime?

Che? Ukraine is not dead?


I rarely touch upon the topic of Ukraine. Simply because I do not consider this state to be viable in its present form. The disintegration has already begun, and now it is already impossible to stop it. That is why I placed question marks in the first line of the Ukrainian anthem.

When you read or listen to analysts or experts about the problems of modern Ukraine, you understand that the overwhelming majority of them reduce the problem of Donbass to a political plane. Ukrainians in Lvov and Kiev think differently from Ukrainians in Donetsk and Lugansk. Perceived differently history, see the future differently and other issues of the same kind.

I agree that perhaps the main problem of President Zelensky is personal cowardice, not the ability to resist someone else's will. Hence the fear of nationalists, the fear of Poroshenko, the fear of the EU, the fear of the United States, the fear of Russia. A sort of global fear and desire that someone else should do all the work to preserve the country entrusted to him by the people. For any price. Hence the ostentatious bravado with numerous trips to Donbass. With the distribution of orders and medals "under the bullets of snipers and mines of the separatists."

I also agree that there is very little time left before the mass grabbing of land from the peasants begins. Tales about the fact that the land will be bought at some cosmic prices - just a bunch of hay, suspended in front of the face of a hungry donkey, so that he could drag the load to the last. But attacks by activists and militants on those who try to resist the sale of land will soon become a reality.

And three billion, which very soon have to be paid for borrowed loans as interest, is an unbearable burden for the current government, which Ukraine cannot lift without a new loan. This is also an axiom. Therefore, there will soon be another episode of the comedy in Washington, titled "Give us the allocated 100 million." By the way, this is an answer to those who do not understand why Zelensky is so fidgeting about such an insignificant amount.

The Ukrainians are successfully destroying their own economy, but they have practically destroyed industry and science, and now they are forced to beg for practically everything from "all the worlds." Everything that military specialists talk and write about - in the field of new weapons, military equipment, combat support systems, is nothing more than an attempt to modernize long-obsolete Soviet facilities.

This is just a small list of problems of a neighboring state, which can be continued for a long time. But those who are interested in the issues of Ukraine will be perfectly able to tell about it themselves. I want to turn the conversation into a slightly different plane. From political to more understandable for the Armed Forces - the military.

Ukrainian strategists have already taken Donbass ... Mentally


The arrogance and complete disregard of the laws of war on the part of the Ukrainian military is based not only on the lack of reaction on the part of the West to violations of the agreements, but also on the fact that they are confident that they can take Donbass quickly and so that Russia will not even twitch.

The version of the plan that I will present today is just one of several that exist in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Donbass is also aware of its existence. So I do not intend to reveal military secrets. I immediately apologize to the readers from the staff specialists, the material has been adapted for understanding civil readers.

So, let's start with the goals and objectives of the operation. There are only three of them in terms of importance. Firstly, the de-occupation of Donbass, a complete clean-up of the republics' territories from the armed formations of the LPNR. Secondly, the local movement of Ukrainian units to the regions bordering with Russia. And, thirdly, access to the border with the Russian Federation and the consolidation of units and subdivisions of the armed forces of Ukraine on the Ukrainian-Russian border. As you can see, the operation is purely offensive.

Necessary measures for preparing an offensive on Donbass. First of all, the transfer of all available artillery, including the most powerful, to the operation zone. To do this, it is necessary to create in the enemy a sense of chaotic movement of artillery and tank units along the line of contact. Enemy reconnaissance must constantly inform their command about such movements for a sufficiently long time.

At the same time, it is necessary to move the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the first echelon into the areas of the future offensive. The rest, including heavy artillery, national guards, territorial defense battalions, etc., form second echelon units. Aviation, tanks and combat vehicles should be concentrated in areas adjacent to the areas of the main attack.

Under the guise of conducting planned exercises of the reserve, it is necessary to carry out a partial mobilization of personnel. It is necessary to call on veterans of military operations. This will not alarm the LPNR corps command in Russia. At the same time, a massive ideological indoctrination of the population should be carried out through the media. It is necessary to create the impression that those called up from the reserve did not strengthen the units, but, on the contrary, act in a destructive manner.

The leadership of Ukraine, the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense at this time should at all international platforms raise the topic of the implementation of the Minsk agreements, the need to develop some additional new documents, new approaches. It is necessary to make contacts with Russia and the West on this issue. Negotiate and stuff. The goal is to create the appearance of a desire for the NATO countries and Moscow to resolve the issue through diplomatic means.

At the same time, periodic provocations of DRGs, snipers, mortars, etc. should be perceived by observers as an initiative of direct personnel on the front line. As a result of the moral and military degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Provocations should be carried out in different areas, against different divisions of the LPR, by different forces and means.

Direct conduct of hostilities


Taking into account the forces and means at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the corps of the republics, as well as the possible reaction to the activation of the military base on the part of Russia, the offensive must be carried out in two directions. Exit to the line Debaltsevo-Uglegorsk and Dokuchaevsk-Starobeshevo. That is, to the boundaries determined by the Minsk agreements of September 5, 2014.

At the same time, the offensive should not have the character of squeezing out the corps from the territory of Donbass. Assault groups should attack, using helicopters and military equipment to quickly penetrate into the rear of the corps, then bypass the fortified positions, leaving them to the troops of the second echelon. The main task is to reach the border and eliminate the possibility of military assistance to the corps from Russia.

At the same time, artillery and aviation should strike at military and civilian infrastructure, destroying warehouses, roads, bridges, enemy troops and equipment. For this, in particular, drones. There is a problem here that needs to be resolved quickly. This is the creation of effective air defense systems that would operate approximately the same as it was in the war on 08.08.08.

The plan also takes into account the reaction of the world community to the offensive. A short-term escalation of hostilities will not cause a negative attitude from the West. On the contrary, in the event of an offensive by Russian troops, the next US and NATO sanctions will fall on Moscow. Simply because the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can always be interpreted as just a return to the Minsk agreements.

Why Republicans will lose


It is clear that the Ukrainian plan is based on initially incorrect initial data. First of all, on the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not opposed by proven and experienced soldiers, but by the militia. The headquarters of the Ukrainian army do not want to see the obvious facts. They recognize the improvement in their own army and do not recognize the same improvement in the enemy army.

A miner, driver, businessman, janitor in 2014 is a militia. But this same fighter in 2021 is no longer just a soldier or an officer. He is an experienced, tried and tested professional.

In addition, Ukrainians are confident that the LDNR does not have its own professional officers capable of commanding effectively. The main thesis of such reasoning goes something like this - the Russians send advisers to the LPNR from among those officers who are not needed in their own army. Simply put, military advisers in Donbass are not at all the same as military advisers to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These are army losers or snatchers who came to the LDNR to make money. That is, there is a management problem in the buildings at all levels. Both strategic and tactical.

In addition, the speed of decision-making in corps is inferior to the speed of decision-making in the Armed Forces. Double subordination is to blame. Donetsk and Lugansk are coordinating their actions with Moscow. That in the conditions of a quickly carried out operation will become almost a decisive factor in the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The big problem of the corps is the lack of personnel and the moral and psychological state of the units. Today, in connection with the receipt of Russian passports by many residents of the republics, there is a real opportunity to go to Russia to work instead of serving in the army. At the same time, the salary in Russia, for Russian citizens, is much higher than the salary in the armies of the LPNR.

The corps officers who conducted offensive operations in 2014-2016 are now outside the army. They were replaced by others who were used to waging a "trench" war. Which is also a negative point from the point of view of the strategists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Some conclusions


The offensive plan presented with large reductions may well be implemented by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I’m not about doing this plan, I’m about trying to do it. Moreover, the situation for Kiev is extremely unfavorable. The EU and NATO have effectively abandoned Ukraine. Ukrainian politicians unanimously accuse Merkel and Macron of betrayal. US President Biden did no better.

Russia, judging by what is happening in the world, has also lost interest in this territory. The substitution of Ukrainian goods is almost complete. The production of components previously produced by Ukraine has been established. Transport routes around the neighboring state have been mastered. Crimea, necessary to ensure the security of its southern borders, returned to Russia.

"AntiRussia", which was so successfully created by the Ukrainians, is no longer popular. Selling it is getting harder and harder. World leaders have come to understand that Moscow has once again become one of the centers for making global decisions. This was felt not only by Ukrainians, but also by Poles, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians.

Internal problems, the destruction of state institutions, the increasingly frequent confrontation between the west and east of the country at the human level, a drop in the standard of living of the people, a massive departure of the population to other countries ... And at the same time, it is impossible to take any measures to maintain the attractiveness of Ukraine as a state without outside help.

There is only one thing left. Start the active phase of the war. Only this can attract the attention of Russia's opponents. Only by these actions it is possible, albeit forcibly, to keep people inside the country. Only for this it is possible to solicit new loans and somehow postpone payments on old loans.

Probably, this explains the antics of the Ukrainian military in the Donbass. And if you look at Kiev's actions over the past six months, some of them fit well into Kiev's strategy. In any case, it is necessary to understand the danger of the beast cornered ...
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  1. +9
    24 June 2021 03: 25
    Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cynically violate the laws of war and kill the citizens of the republics

    Interest Ask - Why...

    Yes, apparently because they are confident in their impunity "granted" to them by the "Minsk".
    1. +3
      24 June 2021 04: 03
      A completely uninteresting question. "Minsk" was not guaranteed any impunity for the murders.
      1. +5
        24 June 2021 04: 48
        Quote: out of habit
        "Minsk" was not guaranteed any impunity for the murders.

        No ... It is precisely the "Minsk" restrictions imposed on both sides that Ukraine treats exclusively as a possibility of undermining the situation, abusing the republics' fulfillment of the requirements of the clauses of the agreement without responding with fire to fire, but at the same time violating them without bothering too much.
        And without consequences for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all of Ukraine. So they believed in their impunity
        1. -5
          24 June 2021 07: 04
          Well, in Transnistria and Abkhazia, they also fired at first, but now it's calm. Tolerate - fall in love, not in the first. The British Empire was also falling apart with battles. Look how many shot Ulster and nothing, Ireland lost a piece to Great Britain.
          1. +4
            24 June 2021 07: 41
            Quote: Civil
            Well, in Transnistria and Abkhazia, they also fired at first, but now it's calm. Tolerate - fall in love, not in the first.

            You are missing the fact that the aforementioned TMR and Abkhazia are located within the borders that are determined by the contours of the republics, and the territories of the DPR and LPR are two-thirds occupied by Ukraine.

            What is there - "Will endure fall in love"?
            You will see that there will be no peace until Ukraine leaves the Donbass to the hut, or Ukraine itself ceases to exist.
            1. -3
              24 June 2021 07: 48
              You are missing the fact that the aforementioned TMR and Abkhazia are located within the boundaries that are determined by the contours of the republics

              If only ... but in fact there are claims to the borders from all sides. It's just that the war identified them along the lines of the separation of troops, and now these are fortified areas.
              You will see that there will be no peace until Ukraine leaves the Donbass to the hut, or Ukraine itself ceases to exist.

              For 6 years since the signing of the Minsk agreements, the process of "love and patience" has been going on, no one is waving swords, from both sides the "hawks" have been removed, and some have died.
              1. 0
                24 June 2021 07: 53
                Quote: Civil
                in fact, there are claims to the borders from all sides


                In fact, yes, but in essence, the claims are radically different.
                The republics are talking about the former administrative borders of the regions, and Ukraine is talking about control over the former state border with us, now the borders of the controlled DPR and LPR, and in fact is for them "Dear life"...
                1. -2
                  24 June 2021 08: 10
                  Quote: PiK
                  The republics are talking about the former administrative borders of the regions, and Ukraine is talking about control over the former state border with us, now the borders of the DPR and LPR controlled by them, and in fact is the "Road of Life" for them ...

                  This rhetoric is heard less and less and has become more ritualistic. And people here and now want to live in peace. I'm talking about the population.
                  1. 0
                    24 June 2021 09: 45
                    Quote: Civil
                    This rhetoric is heard less and less and has become more ritualistic. And people here and now want to live in peace. I'm talking about the population.


                    I'm not sure that Donbass, its people, and even more so the leadership of the republics, want to be guided by the motives that once pushed Napoleon Boanaparte to such a step:

                    "...I need peace, I need it absolutely by all means, save only honor !!!»


                  2. +1
                    25 June 2021 17: 31
                    A curious but weird article by Alexander ...
                    He asks the question in the title, but does not answer it until the last paragraph, but in the article he talks about something else. That about the inevitability of the collapse of Ukraine and the attack of Ukraine at will to Donbass, then about the plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defeat the Armed Forces of the LDNR and their possible defeat, then about the abandonment of Ukraine by all and about personally the desire of the ukrovlast to remind of themselves by attacking the Donbass.

                    Much is true, but the main thing is NOT true: Ukraine herself in no way will it attack Donbass, its rulers are well aware that the beginning present a war with Russia, which will certainly stand up for the LPNR (as Russian leaders have repeatedly said), will be the beginning of a fleeting war and the collapse of their pro-Western Bandera state. The current authorities of Ukraine are quite satisfied with the sluggish "strange war" in the Donbass and the pulling of money from the West for it. Ukraine can attack the LDNR only in one case: the Americans will force it.
    2. 0
      24 June 2021 06: 18
      Quote: PiK
      Yes, apparently because they are confident in their impunity "granted" to them by the "Minsk"

      We are confident in our impunity because they feel the support of the US and British special services, and not only moral, but also material. With the provision of the latest weapons, intelligence, training saboteurs
      1. +4
        24 June 2021 07: 27
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        We are confident in our impunity because they feel the support of the special services of the United States and Britain, and not only moral, but also material.

        It would be nice if the LDNR militia could feel our support in full, otherwise the signals from there have been disappointing and alarming lately.
        Moreover, both indirect from third-party sources, and from periodic personal communication with people from the DPR.

        Here is the feeling of despondency ...
      2. -3
        24 June 2021 17: 35
        Do not feel support, but the civilians have always suffered, no, I am not making excuses for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and I am not looking for what is forbidden in shooting at peaceful people (this always happens, like firing at friends), most likely this indicates the level of disciplina in the army coming out.
    3. +2
      24 June 2021 06: 27
      Quote: PiK
      Interesting question - Why ...

      This question is not only asked by you, and it has been relevant for more than one hundred years. But looking and reading history, we all see that the greatest cruelty was and is, not to the enemy, but to our people, our fellow citizens, and especially to the defenseless population, as well as to prisoners of war. These human geeks, who cannot be called human, cannot go one-on-one, but meanly they kill people from around the corner.
    4. +6
      24 June 2021 08: 03
      How will people sympathize with Russia when they are not sure that they will be protected?
      1. 0
        24 June 2021 09: 35
        How will people sympathize with Russia when they are not sure that they will be protected?
        already bad nema
        1. +1
          24 June 2021 11: 27
          It is sad that this is so.
          1. 0
            24 June 2021 11: 34
            sadly, remembering the ordeal of people freed from Ukrainian captivity

            "Recall that the Ministry of Reintegration paid 32 freed from captivity Ukrainians 100 thousand hryvnia each."
            + wounded militias are forced to curry money for the operation through blogs.
            + militias issued again to Ukraine, Ukraine, despite the request of a US citizen (!) in the United States (!), does not give it out, pulls the baggage with all its might
    5. 0
      24 June 2021 08: 23
      Until Russian tanks pass through Khreshchatyk, the Nazis will continue to kill civilians, regardless of whether there are Minsk agreements or not!
      1. 0
        28 June 2021 20: 50
        I agree, but, apparently, no Russian tanks are expected on Khreshchatyk in the next couple of decades. At least until the same people rule in the Kremlin as they are now. Under the current political regime in the Russian Federation, the problem of Donbass cannot be solved in principle.
    6. 0
      25 June 2021 00: 30
      The reason was clear from the beginning of World War II, when Hitler allowed Banderas to kill Ukrainians and everyone, everyone, everyone. "
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  2. +7
    24 June 2021 04: 32
    Because jackals. Read online comments from the territory of the puppy about any tragedy in Russia, be it a major accident or a natural disaster. For these non-humans, such news is just some kind of holiday. Jackalier. am
    1. +3
      24 June 2021 05: 26
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      just a holiday

      The eternal joy of a ragul about a dead cow from a neighbor!
    2. -6
      24 June 2021 06: 18
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      Because jackals. Read online comments from the territory of the puppy about any tragedy in Russia, be it a major accident or a natural disaster. For these non-humans, such news is just some kind of holiday. Jackalier

      Well, in general, the comments of Russians on similar incidents in Ukraine are no different. request
      1. +5
        24 June 2021 06: 35
        Here, one "clerk on duty" got out into the sun to warm up.
      2. +12
        24 June 2021 08: 07
        Several orders of magnitude less. And flowers were brought to the embassy of Kiev in case of similar problems on a puppy. And about their censor generally keep quiet. Even in the first and second Chechen wars, there was no such nonsense on the websites of Russian nationalists. And you, as a Jew, should be ashamed to justify the antics of the last of those who destroyed the Jews and the same with special joy. Although ... Shekels don't smell. And to put those who lit the stoves of Auschwitz and Mauthausen, and who extinguished them, on the same board is the trend of the new time ... How are you, in a trend?
        PS Answers in the style of "Look at yourself" are typical for representatives of the puppet and Israel when you disagree with their arguments ....hi
        1. +3
          24 June 2021 09: 57
          you just don't see what you don't want to see.
          In Kiev, people are bringing flowers and soft toys to the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine. Some of the bouquets contain notes of condolences in connection with the tragedy that occurred in the Zimnyaya Vishnya shopping center in Kemerovo.

          According to the latest data, a fire in a shopping center in Kemerovo killed 64 people, including children.

          KIEV, May 13. / TASS /. Residents of Kiev bring flowers to the building of the Russian diplomatic mission in connection with the tragedy at a school in Kazan.

          "In connection with the tragedy in Kazan, residents of Kiev brought flowers to the building of the Russian embassy in Ukraine," the Russian diplomatic mission said on Twitter on Thursday.

          The accompanying photo shows that there are bouquets of flowers at the embassy fence.

          Different people have different reactions, both in Russia and in Ukraine.

          who lit the stoves of Auschwitz and Mauthausen, and who extinguished them


          Do you know what is in the photo and who is this major in the photo?
          1. -3
            24 June 2021 10: 24
            Quote: Avior
            Do you know what is in the photo and who is this major in the photo?


            What's the difference WHO is he? Photos were subscribed anyway -
            "Red Army" , or "Russian soldiers freed prisoners of Auschwitz (Auschwitz)".

            All liberators are either RUSSIAN or SOVIET, without division ...

            Or do you need to emphasize something, highlight in his (majer) personality? For what ???
            Enough with us that the prisoners were liberated .... the Ukrainian army.
            It seems that the fact of the liberation of prisoners by the troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front was presented by A. Yatsenyuk, then the Prime Minister of Ukraine, at memorial events in Poland?
            1. +5
              24 June 2021 10: 50
              You see what I wrote - you don’t want to see things that are inconvenient for your worldview, in principle
              The picture shows the Hero of Ukraine, the commander of the assault detachment (separate battalion) of the 106th Rifle Corps, which liberated the prisoners of Auschwitz, Major Anatoly Shapiro, an employee of the Zaporozhye City Executive Committee, a Jew by nationality.

              In Ukraine he is remembered and honored for what he did, but in Russia, judging by you, not very much. His origins let him down.
              Did you write there about those who put out the stoves?
              hi
              1. -5
                24 June 2021 10: 55
                Quote: Avior
                Did you write there about those who put out the stoves?

                No, I didn't write.

                But your post clearly shows that you are from Ukraine, and are busy pulling the blanket over your loved ones, in spite of this (read it again, maybe it will work?):


                Quote: PiK
                What's the difference WHO is he? Photos were subscribed anyway -
                "Red Army", or "Russian soldiers liberated the prisoners of Auschwitz (Auschwitz)."

                All liberators are either RUSSIAN or SOVIET, without division ...

                Or do you need to emphasize something, highlight in his (majer) personality? For what ???
                Enough with us that the prisoners were liberated .... the Ukrainian army.


                This, in the photo, is a soldier in an overcoat and with a PPSh - also a Ukrainian, or a Jew?


                1. +1
                  24 June 2021 11: 30
                  If you wedge yourself in someone else's communication, read the previous posts.
                  I write that there are different people in both Ukraine and Russia.
              2. 0
                23 July 2021 02: 43
                This is not a hero of Ukraine, this is a warrior and a hero of the USSR. Remember this! ... Ukraine is an artificially invented country with a bunch of "alien" territories donated by the USSR.

                Do you honor the memory of Bandera, and at the state level, so what?

                ps Start "de-communization" with the return of all Soviet lands. Weak?
                1. -1
                  23 July 2021 07: 29
                  What, you read badly?
                  Shapiro is a Hero of Ukraine, like Berest and Bereznyak, by the way, if you know who it is.
                  But they have never been Heroes of the Soviet Union, they did not deserve it, it turns out, warriors of gratitude from the USSR ...
        2. -4
          24 June 2021 15: 20
          Quote: Russian quilted jacket
          Several orders of magnitude less

          Seriously ? did you think?
          Quote: Russian quilted jacket
          And I generally keep quiet about their censor

          and how you read it 7 It is blocked by you belay
          You have it on all federal channels 24 hours a day. how not to turn it on - everything about Ukraine
          Quote: Russian quilted jacket
          And you, as a Jew, should be ashamed to justify the antics of the last of those who destroyed the Jews and the same with special joy

          Among those who distinguished themselves in the executions, the Russians were also present - therefore, separate the flies from the cutlets.
          And yes, I think. that you are wrong in this conflict.
          Sorry. While the neighbor had problems - you quietly snatched the shed away. and they occupied a couple of rooms - well, rightfully so
          Quote: Russian quilted jacket
          Although ... Shekels don't smell.

          no, they don't smell. quality paper. high-quality paint - why should they smell? ... rubles by the way the same n6e smell. Or do they smell? wink probably patriotism?
    3. +2
      24 June 2021 07: 15
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      For these non-humans, such news is just a holiday of some sort.

      What do you want from an enemy country? Three years ago, 47% of the population of the left-bank Ukraine recognized the OUN-UPA as liberators, in the western regions - up to 80%. So you shouldn't even count on any sane reactions and attempts to settle relations. There is no reason for this. It should be borne in mind that Ukraine, as a subject of international relations, makes the most of every opportunity for hostile manifestations in relation to Russia, regardless of the existence of a reason for this or our activity towards it. Any manifestation of nervousness on our part will be regarded by them as a desired reaction, showing the pain for us of their actions. You need to be calmer, colleagues. They need to be hysterical. They have a large volume of loan payments in August-September, but they have no money. So, work, brothers. wink
      1. -12
        24 June 2021 07: 56
        Quote: Hagen
        What do you want from an enemy country? Three years ago, 47% of the population of the left-bank Ukraine recognized the OUN-UPA as liberators, in the western regions - up to 80%

        I wonder who pushed them to this?
        nothing but a gift in the form of the Crimea and the Donbass of Russia?
        Quote: Hagen
        It should be borne in mind that Ukraine, as a subject of international relations, makes the most of every opportunity for hostile manifestations in relation to Russia,

        Yes, it's a no brainer why
        Quote: Hagen
        regardless of the existence of a reason for this

        Well, that is the reason. And it is precisely dependent
        Quote: Hagen
        They have a large volume of loan payments in August-September, but they have no money. So, work, brothers.

        2014 g
        "Ukraine will fall apart by spring"
        Speaker of the Parliament of Novorossiya Oleg TSAREV met with NG correspondent Alexei GORBACHEV at the Moscow office of the unrecognized DPR and LPR

        https://www.ng.ru/politics/2014-09-30/4_ukraina.html
        By the way, where is this character?
        1. +1
          24 June 2021 08: 00
          Quote: atalef
          I wonder who pushed them to this?
          nothing but a gift in the form of the Crimea and the Donbass of Russia?

          Think narrowly. All events, since 1990, and even earlier, pushed to this. Crimea is already the result of exacerbation of these events. I leave everything else unanswered, because there is no ... why sad
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    4. 0
      28 June 2021 21: 06
      On the one hand, you are absolutely right, jackals - they are jackals. On the other hand, we need to ask ourselves a question - why did we (Naturally, I mean not you personally, but the leadership of the Russian Federation) ourselves allowed these jackals to come to power in Ukraine? You know, this is generally very useful - before blaming someone for your failures, ask this question to yourself. What exactly did I do myself, or vice versa, did not, so that such a situation would not develop. It is certainly difficult and extremely unpleasant to ask such a question to oneself, but it helps not to make such mistakes in the future and to correct the already existing situation. And just blaming someone else for your failures (just not yourself, your beloved), this is certainly easy and even pleasant, but it only leads to a repeated attack on the same rake. (there is such a philosophical doctrine - Existentialism is called, here it is just about this.)))))
  3. +8
    24 June 2021 06: 01
    "Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cynically violate the laws of war and kill the citizens of the republics"
    In fact, first of all, there are no laws in war. There is an axiom: if not you, then - you.
    Secondly. They go to kill. Don't conquer territory, no. Kill. For them, it is secondary whether they will be able to capture the LPR and DPR, or they will not be able to.
    Thirdly. They wanted to spit on any agreements there. Their brains were powdered, however, they gladly accepted it. This has already happened in Germany in the 30s.
    1. +2
      24 June 2021 06: 23
      All this will end when the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations are recognized in Russia as Nazi, and their justification will fall under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Believe me, they are very afraid of this, and various kinds of pseudo-historians and other adherents of the "Onizhebrotya Witnesses" will disappear from all open spaces of the "Internet" with their writings in support of them, they have been trying very thinly to troll VO lately.
      1. -8
        24 June 2021 06: 53
        Quote: Silver bullet
        All this will end when the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations are recognized in Russia Nazi


        Quote: Silver bullet
        Believe me, they are very afraid of this.

        Nazi?
        National Socialism (German Nationalsozialismus), better known forlike Nazism, - totalitarian [1] [2] ultra-right racist and anti-Semitic ideology [3] [4], a form of fascism [5]. Combines ethnic nationalism [6], the idea of ​​the "Aryan race", its biological and cultural superiority over other races [7], racial anti-Semitism (the "Semitic race" is seen as the antipode and the main enemy of the "Aryan") [8] [6], Slavophobia [9] [10] [11] [12], the idea of ​​"Aryan" (German national) socialism, anti-communism, anti-democracy [13]. Ideology of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP). Official political ideology of Nazi Germany

        I am
        I imagine Solovyov has completely powdered his brains. but even the Basmanny Court will not dare to make such a determination - although from the point of view of reputation it is already below the plinth.

        Quote: Silver bullet
        other adherents of the "Onizhebrotya Witnesses" will disappear from all open spaces of the "Internet" with their writings in support of them

        in support of whom?
        The Ukrainian Armed Forces does its own thing, and it is no different from that. what the HRV was doing in Chechnya, because from the point of view of international law, the separatists of Chechnya and the separatists of the LDNR are one field of berries.
        1. +3
          24 June 2021 07: 17
          Quote: atalef
          The Ukrainian Armed Forces does its own thing, and it is no different from that. what the HRV was doing in Chechnya, because from the point of view of international law, the separatists of Chechnya and the separatists of the LDNR are one field of berries.


          Interesting logic Yes Very interesting Yes

          And it is extremely interesting what it is based on - simply ignorance (misunderstanding) of the processes that led to the 1st and 2nd Chechens, or something more savage?

          Does this mean that an equal sign can be put between the Chechen fighters and the Donbass militia?
          Both those and other terrorists?
          Do you know how many abductions and murders of people from the territory of the Russian Federation, terrorist acts on its territory, frauds in the banking and financial sphere were committed by the so-called "fighters for the independence of Ichkeria"?

          And how many terrorist acts have the DPR and LPR committed in seven years?

          It’s interesting, really, from which cache you were released, that you interpret the real facts in this way?
          1. -7
            24 June 2021 07: 28
            Quote: PiK
            Interesting logic Very interesting

            logic is never interesting - whether it is or not
            Quote: PiK
            it is extremely interesting what it is based on - simply ignorance (misunderstanding) of the processes that led to the 1st

            Come on . cause of the first Chechen war
            On June 8, 1991, at the II session of the OKChN, Dudayev proclaimed the Chechen Republic (Nokhchi-cho) [30] [31], thus, a dual power developed in the republic.

            In July 1991, the II Congress of the OKChN declares that the self-proclaimed Chechen Republic (Nokhchi-Cho) is not part of the RSFSR and the USSR[32].

            Quote: PiK
            Does this mean that an equal sign can be put between the Chechen fighters and the Donbass militia?

            Yes .
            from the point of view of the ongoing processes of declaration of independence and separatism
            Quote: PiK
            Both those and other terrorists?

            of course . illegal armed groups ... seizing power by force on a separate territory of the state

            Quote: PiK
            Do you know how many abductions and murders of people from the territory of the Russian Federation, terrorist acts on its territory, frauds in the banking and financial sphere were committed by the so-called "fighters for the independence of Ichkeria"?

            I'm not talking about steam methods - some are just more cannibals. and so - the same eggs only in profile and the methods that led to the separation and proclamation of the type of independence - are the same.
            just Russia had enough strength and eggs to raze Ichkeria to the ground with carpet bombing and military force. but the APU does not. Well, everyone's patrons are different. There was no foreign military force behind Ichkeria.
            Quote: PiK
            And how many terrorist acts have the DPR and LPR committed in seven years?

            I'm not talking about terrorist attacks. i'm talking about a way to seize power
            maybe it is not known what was the cause or effect. As it seems to me, start the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carpet bombing of the LDNR - terrorist attacks on the territory of Ukraine would be a matter of time.
            Quote: PiK
            It’s interesting, really, from which cache you were released, that you interpret the real facts in this way?

            The facts are what I wrote. are you able to refute?
            Please.
            1. 0
              24 June 2021 07: 33
              Quote: atalef
              I'm not talking about terrorist attacks. i'm talking about a way to seize power

              Will you call the power of Ukraine terrorists, which came to it through an anti-constitutional coup, or will religion (firmware) not allow it?

              And by this, if a coup took place in Ukraine, and the Donbass did not recognize it, what else could they do besides self-organizing and somehow self-determining without being able to influence the processes in Kiev?
              1. -7
                24 June 2021 07: 45
                Quote: PiK
                Will you call the power of Ukraine terrorists, which came to it through an anti-constitutional coup, or will religion (firmware) not allow it?

                was the coup unconstitutional or not - it's not up to you to decide, but the Constitutional Court of Ukraine.
                I will definitely not call terrorists, by the way, Putin agrees with me on this. laughing
                Quote: PiK
                And by this, if a coup took place in Ukraine, and the Donbass did not recognize it, what else could they do besides self-organizing and somehow self-determining without being able to influence the processes in Kiev?

                The USSR collapsed. Chechnya decided to leave Russia (by the way, like Tatarstan)
                You know the consequences, well, for some it is clear. while the latter wanted to be peaceful. Have held a referendum
                Referendum on the sovereignty of Tatarstan - a referendum on the sovereignty of the Republic of Tatarstan, which was part of the Russian Federation as a subject. Held March 21, 1992. The referendum resulted in the proclamation of rstate sovereignty of the republic.

                strange. Yes . the people of the Tatarstan (in a separate republic - does not evoke analogies with the Crimea? wink ) by a majority of votes, they accepted that Tatarsmtan is a separate state
                On May 22, a Resolution of the Supreme Council on the status of Tatarstan as a sovereign state was adopted
                On November 30, 1992, a new Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan was introduced, declaring it a sovereign state [9] ..

                but here oops ...
                On April 19, 2001, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized the provisions on the sovereignty of Tatarstan as inconsistent with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. On April 19, 2002, the State Council of Tatarstan adopted a new version of the Constitution of the Republic, brought into line with the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

                well, how can that be. but what about the right of the territories to self-determination and the supremacy of the expression of the people?
                1. +1
                  24 June 2021 09: 22
                  Quote: atalef

                  was the coup unconstitutional or not - it's not up to you to decide, but the Constitutional Court of Ukraine.


                  It is strange that you recall the law and Ukraine in this context .... let's recall the events of 2014. What happened? Ukrainian nationalists, with the support of the West, staged a coup d'etat and came to power .... moreover, the constitution and law of Ukraine does not imply the transfer of power to people from the street. those. Yanukovych at that time, the legally elected president of Ukraine, for whom people voted in the elections, and who were the people who seized power - in terms of legality? Criminals - to be tried. But after coming to power, these criminals cleaned out all the structures of power and put their people everywhere, and the constitutional court did not find the courage to take the side of the law ... I am already silent about the snipers on the Maidan and Odessa on May 2, where there should be investigations and the perpetrators to be punished, but this is a very unpleasant topic for the current government ... therefore, in Ukraine - there is no law, criminals are in power - who should be punished for the coup in 2014, for hiding the truth in the events on the Maidan and Odessa + for the transfer of power Western structures, when the sovereignty of Ukraine is in question.

                  And a separate line goes to the ATO in the South-East of Ukraine and the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and nationalist groups against civilians, and all these events must be investigated + a legal assessment must be given. But unfortunately, this is not possible in the near future ..... there are no forces in Ukraine capable of returning the country to the legal field.
                  1. -3
                    24 June 2021 15: 12
                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    But after coming to power, these criminals cleaned out all the structures of power and put their people everywhere, and the constitutional court did not find the courage to take the side of the law.

                    in any case, this is their own business and you have nothing to do there. This is not your country, and according to the reaction of the citizens of ukraine and their attitude towards you, it seems to me that the truth is not on your side
                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    ... therefore, in Ukraine - there is no law, criminals are in power - who should be punished for the coup in 2014, for hiding the truth in the events on the Maidan and Odessa

                    Well, after that, there have already been 2 elections in Ukraine and the people have clearly expressed their opinion on this matter. or do you think that the elections were rigged 7 that's strange in Ukraine, elections have already been twice for the presidency and parliament - and never in the LPR. Strange 7 I don't think so.
                    Apparently the expression of the will of the people is booming.
                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    And a separate line goes to the ATO in the South-East of Ukraine and the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and nationalist groups against civilians, and all these events must be investigated + a legal assessment must be given

                    this is their business as well as a legal assessment. Have you investigated all the war crimes during the ATO in Chechnya? or was Budanov the only one?
                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    there are no forces in Ukraine capable of returning the country to the legal field.

                    There are enough forces in Ukraine - and the presidential elections have confirmed this.
                2. +7
                  24 June 2021 09: 53
                  Atalef, would have closed ... Compare Donbass and Chechnya. Who are you after that? Donbass blew up houses with sleeping civilians on the territory of Ukraine? Blowing up people on the subway? In your native St. Petersburg it was !!! Are you doing your best for Ichkeria now? Who raised you like that? In St. Petersburg, probably in the courtyards of the pills constantly snatched? Further on Lavrov in relation to you.
                  1. -1
                    24 June 2021 09: 58
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    In St. Petersburg, probably in the courtyards of the pills constantly snatched?

                    His .... Putin beat laughing

                    Quote: V.V. Putin
                    50 years ago Leningradskaya street taught me one rule: if a fight is inevitable, you need to hit first.
                  2. -3
                    24 June 2021 15: 14
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Atalef, would have closed ... Compare Donbass and Chechnya. Who are you after that? Donbass blew up houses with sleeping civilians on the territory of Ukraine? Blowing up people on the subway? In your native St. Petersburg it was !!! Are you doing your best for Ichkeria now? Who raised you like that? In St. Petersburg, probably in the courtyards of the pills constantly snatched? Further on Lavrov in relation to you

                    Carefully read my post - or problems with reading comprehension 7 probably did not get higher than three as a child, I didn’t get it?
                    Quote: atalef
                    I'm not talking about steam methods - some are just more cannibals. and so - the same eggs only in profile and the methods that led to the separation and proclamation of the type of independence - are the same.
                    just Russia had enough strength and eggs to raze Ichkeria to the ground with carpet bombing and military force. but the APU does not. Well, everyone's patrons are different. There was no foreign military force behind Ichkeria.
                    Quote: PiK
                    And how many terrorist acts have the DPR and LPR committed in seven years?

                    I'm not talking about terrorist attacks. i'm talking about a way to seize power
                    1. +1
                      24 June 2021 20: 51
                      In childhood, people like you shot with a slingshot. You turn on the back as a true Israeli.
                      1. -5
                        24 June 2021 21: 26
                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        In childhood, people like you shot with a slingshot. You turn on the back as a true Israeli.

                        steep as boiling water and harsh as diarrhea.
                      2. +1
                        24 June 2021 21: 54
                        Spit the poison further. You are nobody and there is no way to call you. An ordinary sausage emigrant.
                3. -3
                  24 June 2021 10: 01
                  Quote: atalef
                  Referendum on the sovereignty of Tatarstan - a referendum on the sovereignty of the Republic of Tatarstan, which was part of the Russian Federation as a subject.


                  You make great quotes, foreign tourist , about Kemsky parish, about Tatarstan, Donbass Yes

                  And besides the "knowledge" from Wikipedia, is there something of your own, alive?
                  1. -4
                    24 June 2021 15: 07
                    Quote: PiK
                    And besides the "knowledge" from Wikipedia, is there something of your own, alive?

                    but besides blah - there is something to object on the topic 7 Particularly parts of the people's right to self-determination and why it does not correspond to the Russian constitution, but for some reason it should correspond to the Ukrainian
                    laughing
                    1. -5
                      24 June 2021 20: 20
                      Here, the majority is so, these are double standards)
              2. +4
                24 June 2021 08: 41
                Quote: PiK
                And by this, if a coup took place in Ukraine, and Donbass did not recognize it, what else they had to do

                I have a feeling that you are communicating with an Israeli Russophobe who is ready to pay any anti-Semites to bite his former homeland more painfully. I think you are throwing beads in front of ... well, you know .... Why? Do you think it will be useful?
                1. +2
                  24 June 2021 09: 49
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I have a feeling that you are communicating with an Israeli Russophobe

                  Probably if not with Russophobe then exactly ukrainophile , with a clouded mind.
                2. -4
                  24 June 2021 20: 20
                  For you, all those who disagree with your opinion - Russophobes? And what does anti-Semitism have to do with it, do you mirror your desires?
            2. +3
              24 June 2021 07: 58
              To compare the Chechen war and the Ukrainian one in the Donbass one does not respect oneself.
            3. -1
              24 June 2021 10: 50
              Quote: atalef
              logic is never interesting - whether it is or not

              In your case, it is formally, as it were, but it is perverted. It's me soft.
            4. -5
              24 June 2021 19: 41
              By the way, I still don't understand how many civilians died during the Chechen campaigns?
        2. +1
          24 June 2021 10: 53
          Quote: atalef
          I am
          I give you Solovyov powdered brains completely

          Why does Solovyov hurt so much? When he is not hypocritical, he thinks very normally. Gathers a variety of people, often quite sober-minded. You can also listen to a cultural figure who talks about anything, as he sees it, I don't know what form of prism he uses. Or a convincing political scientist. a technologist who does not always manage to hide from the public the essence of a village obscurantist with an alternative logic.
      2. +3
        24 June 2021 10: 10
        Well, they admit, so what? How will it prevent them from killing further?
      3. 0
        28 June 2021 21: 18
        It would certainly be good (at least theoretically), but I think this will never happen. And even if it does, then so what? Our leadership will never dare to send any GOS to Ukraine to catch such a Nazi criminal for transporting him to the Russian Federation, or to eliminate him on the spot. Given the current political situation in the Russian Federation, this is absolutely impossible from words.
  4. +4
    24 June 2021 06: 11
    Why APU ...
    I consider this a rhetorical question, since everyone can give several answers to it because ... And in these "because" politics plays the main role, and people die.
    1. 0
      28 June 2021 21: 19
      Exactly hi
  5. +3
    24 June 2021 06: 16
    Why the Republicans will lose.
    -
    Russia, judging by what is happening in the world, has also lost interest in this territory.
  6. +1
    24 June 2021 06: 17
    To fire on an ambulance, which even OSCE observers warned about, to kill a doctor is a crime. The deaths and injuries of servicemen in war or in combat operations are familiar and understandable. But to shoot at those who save ...

    During the Second World War, the German SS were distinguished by their cruelty, but Bandera surpassed them by much more, we all know the Volyn massacre and Babi Yar, and modern SS and Banderlog are no different, this is probably at the genetic level. The UPA / OUN treated the captured partisans especially cruelly. The commander of the partisan unit Kovpak solved this problem quickly and in an original way, he ordered all the captured Banders to tie a grenade from one end to the "causal places", and the other end to a tree on a long rope. By order of "Run!" all this audience ran, and to speed up the partisans fired at the heels with machine guns. When the rope ended, a grenade explosion was heard. After such a clear example, the atrocities against the partisans stopped.
    You can read this story in the memoirs of Kostyrchenko and other veterans.
    1. -10
      24 June 2021 06: 58
      Quote: tihonmarine
      and modern SSovtsy and Banderlog are no different

      strange. Somehow I have not heard about the ezhtnichesky purges in Ukraine. deportation or execution of Russians or other nationalities, the prohibition of the Russian language (as opposed to the LPNR), etc. and so on.
      So what are the same 7
      Quote: tihonmarine
      You can read this story in the memoirs of Kostyrchenko and other veterans.

      give a reference
      1. +3
        24 June 2021 07: 29
        Quote: atalef
        strange. Somehow I have not heard about the ezhtnichesky purges in Ukraine. deportation or execution of Russians or other nationalities

        It is very strange that the Jews still do not remember the genocide of the Jews in Ukraine during the Second World War, and they forgot Babi Yar. But you can forget Khatyt, Katyn, burning Russian houses, burning Smolensk and burning Rostov, and even besieged LENINGRAD.
        This is not yours, but our pain and our memory. Forgive, but you "confuse Ramses".
        And we have ONE pain.
        1. -9
          24 June 2021 08: 03
          Quote: tihonmarine
          It is very strange that the people still do not remember the genocide of the Jews in Ukraine during the Second World War.

          remember, of course. But somehow it seems to me that the Russians took part in these matters. we and the pogroms on the territory of the Russian Empire remember, etc. and so on. - what is the connection?
          Quote: tihonmarine
          But you can forget Khatyt, Katyn, burning Russian houses, burning Smolensk and burning Rostov, and even besieged LENINGRAD.

          and remember this. I lost half of my family on my mother’s side in besieged Leningrad - but what is the connection?
          Quote: tihonmarine
          This is not yours, but our pain and our memory. Forgive, but you "confuse Ramses".
          And we have ONE pain.

          You probably messed it up. Probably forgotten by millions of Ukrainians who fought in WWII, millions of partisans. Heroes of the Soviets of the Union of Ukrainians. generals and marshals, hero cities - Kiev and Odessa.
          or only Russians fought?
          or maybe Vlasov was not among the Russians. Cossack SS divisions?
          don't remember?
          You have only one pain ...
          The truth is somehow twisted. and in one direction.
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 08: 16
            Quote: atalef
            remember, of course. But somehow it seems to me that the Russians took part in these matters.

            And ..... excuse me, and again we are Russians you in Auschwitz and Buchenwald burned in the ovens?
            What are you crazy about ???????
            Well, how can I respect you after that Sir?
            1. -11
              24 June 2021 08: 19
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: atalef
              remember, of course. But somehow it seems to me that the Russians took part in these matters.

              And ..... excuse me, and again we are Russians you in Auschwitz and Buchenwald burned in the ovens?
              What are you crazy about ???????
              Well, how can I respect you after that Sir?

              Babi Yar, too, somehow was not in Auschwitz, not Buchenwald.
              That is, you are claiming that during the Great Patriotic War not a single Russian took part in the execution of Jews and there were no mass shootings of a person of Jewish nationality on the territory of the Russian Federation.
              1. +2
                24 June 2021 08: 37
                Quote: atalef
                That is, you are claiming that during the Great Patriotic War not a single Russian took part in the execution of Jews and there were no mass shootings of a person of Jewish nationality on the territory of the Russian Federation.

                Sorry again - there was no Russian Federation at that time !!! And there was the USSR, and collaborators shot both Russians ((more than Jews) and Jews and other nationalities. Just like those Jews who served the Reich did, or you just don't want to read History, or you want to take it into "one mug "???
                1. -4
                  24 June 2021 15: 38
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Sorry again - there was NO Russian Federation at that time!

                  learn history. Losers.
                  There was no RSFSR. and the Ukrainian SSR was? Are you alright ?
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  And there was the USSR,

                  so why do you divide them into Ukrainians and Russians?
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  and collaborators shot both Russians ((more than Jews) and Jews and other nationalities

                  don't you really call a spade a spade. you're so here for Bandera luyamku pulled - well, soot. that, among other things, Russian colabrocyanists shot Jews and Ukrainians 7 Or would you say that this was not the case?
                  and so do not share the murderers by nationality - and the Russian hands during the Second World War are sufficiently stained. and the salt of the land of the Russian Cossacks has nothing to talk about
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Just like those Jews who served the Reich did,

                  there were traitors among the Jews, it's stupid to deny. And they are no different from the Russians. Ukrainian, Belorussian or Polish accomplices of the fascists
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  You just don’t want to read History, or do you want to take it in "one mug" ??

                  In one mug - this is you --- wush Ukraine is the Bandera, and Russia is the victors of the fascists and the leaders of the light elves
                  1. +1
                    24 June 2021 15: 44
                    Quote: atalef
                    there were traitors among the Jews, it's stupid to deny. And they are no different from the Russians. Ukrainian, Belorussian or Polish accomplices of the fascists

                    Well, even it dawned on you that the killers of nations do not have.
                    1. -5
                      24 June 2021 19: 13
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      Quote: atalef
                      there were traitors among the Jews, it's stupid to deny. And they are no different from the Russians. Ukrainian, Belorussian or Polish accomplices of the fascists

                      Well, even it dawned on you that the killers of nations do not have.

                      What did you get into a frying pan?
                      Read your posts about Bandera and Ukrainians.
                      You change your shoes on the fly - like a nightingale
              2. +1
                24 June 2021 10: 47
                Quote: atalef
                Babi Yar, too, somehow was not in Auschwitz, not Buchenwald.

                Sorry, but I didn't know.
              3. +1
                24 June 2021 11: 51
                Quote: atalef
                Babi Yar, too, somehow was not in Auschwitz, not Buchenwald.
                That is, you claim that during the Great Patriotic War

                Yes, Lord, well, when will you finally understand that they want to devour us and you and destroy at Jesus Christ.
                1. -4
                  24 June 2021 15: 42
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Yes, Lord, well, when at least you will finally understand that they want to devour us and you

                  Ukrainians 7
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  and destroy Jesus Christ.

                  Destroy the Son of God?
                  Of course it doesn't matter to me, I'm kind of like infidel, but I would like to know the essence of the process from you. belay
                  1. 0
                    24 June 2021 18: 57
                    Quote: atalef
                    Destroy the Son of God?
                    Of course it doesn't matter to me, I'm kind of like infidel, but I would like to know the essence of the process from you.

                    If you want to know, then ask LGBT people, they are doing just that.
                    1. -4
                      24 June 2021 21: 28
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      , then ask LGBT people, they are doing just that.

                      well, whoever you like. know what LGBT people do. laughing
                      1. -2
                        25 June 2021 06: 25
                        Quote: atalef
                        well, whoever you like. know what LGBT people do.

                        Yes Yes Yes

                        22.06.2021

                        Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid instructed the department on June 21 to raise the rainbow flag for the first time outside their offices in honor of Pride Month.

                        "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and its staff preach tolerance, brotherhood and freedom"- said the minister.


                        In turn, his deputy, openly gay Idan Roll, noted that the rainbow flag is "big news" both domestically and abroad.

                        "I remember myself as a 16-year-old boy who was worried about the future, and I hope this moment will reassure young men and women all over Israel and around the world."- said Roll.
                      2. +1
                        25 June 2021 09: 30
                        Quote: PiK
                        In turn, his deputy, openly gay Idan Roll, noted that the rainbow flag is "important news" both domestically and abroad.

                        Nicely you uvalali Israelis, see how with malice minus.
                      3. -2
                        25 June 2021 09: 33
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Nicely you uvalali Israelis, see how with malice minus.

                        They are doing themselves, praying for the flag symbolizing pederasty.

                        Is it really going to get to the point that the Wailing Wall will once be wrapped in a rainbow LGBT flag?
                2. 0
                  28 June 2021 21: 43
                  I apologize for interfering, but, believe me, arguing with a Jew like this - on the net, is absolutely useless and even stupid - not to spit in his face or light up his face. Just get angry and upset, but on the contrary, he will get a wild buzz, and will think that he, all such a genius of himself, has heroically omitted the Russian.
              4. -1
                24 June 2021 15: 30
                Quote: atalef
                Babi Yar, too, somehow was not in Auschwitz, not Buchenwald.

                I am not claiming anything, I just know from my neighbors.
              5. -1
                24 June 2021 15: 40
                Quote: atalef
                Babi Yar, too, somehow was not in Auschwitz, not Buchenwald.

                Go ahead and sing, I don't mind.
            2. -3
              24 June 2021 15: 27
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And ..... excuse me, and again we are Russians you in Auschwitz and Buchenwald burned in the ovens?

              And this has to do with it? You just remembered Babi Yar, he was not on the territory of Poland. Well, then maybe remember
              According to available information, there were 41 ghettos in 12 regions and 40 settlements in the occupied territory of Russia (there were two in Nevel). More than 2/3 of all ghettos were located on the territory of three regions of Russia. Of these, 15 ghettos, where there were over 11 prisoners, were in the Smolensk region, 000 ghettos in the Pskov region and 9 in the Bryansk region. The largest ghetto - 7 prisoners - was in Smolensk [3000]. The total number of prisoners in the ghetto of Russia (excluding Crimea) was over 20 [28].

              In a number of cities, such as Oryol, Jews were settled in houses located in different parts of the city, but they were always under the constant control of the Nazis and collaborators [2

              It is clear that all these ghetto prisoners were destroyed.
              Did the Ukrainians help the Nazis here?

              Quote: tihonmarine
              What are you crazy about ???

              Not . I, unlike you, know the story.
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Well, how can I respect you after that Sir?

              Well, for that matter. Adoni, and your respect for me, well, like that on the drum.
              1. -1
                24 June 2021 15: 31
                Quote: atalef
                And this has to do with it? You just remembered Babi Yar, he was not on the territory of Poland. Well, then maybe remember

                Sorry I forgot. So there was no Holocaust either. I'm sorry I'll fix it.
              2. -1
                25 June 2021 09: 31
                Quote: atalef
                Well, for that matter. Adoni, and your respect for me, well, like that on the drum.

                Not good, lost their temper, began to freak out.
            3. 0
              28 June 2021 21: 28
              I can only repeat myself - Jews have a very selective memory laughing
          2. +1
            24 June 2021 10: 08
            Quote: atalef
            remember, of course. But somehow it seems to me that the Russians also took part in these matters.

            There was a case. And we are blame , rather than elevating to the rank and status of heroics, as is the case in Ukraine.
          3. -4
            24 June 2021 10: 42
            [quote = atalef] But you can forget Khatyt, Katyn, burning Russian houses, burning Smolensk and burning Rostov, and even besieged LENINGRAD.
            I don’t remember the connection, I’m not a grave, and as you remember, I’m 40 years old. and if YOU are thumping, let me remind you!
          4. ANB
            0
            24 June 2021 16: 11
            ... You probably messed it up. Probably forgotten by millions of Ukrainians who fought in WWII, millions of partisans. Heroes of the Soviets of the Union of Ukrainians. generals and marshals, hero cities - Kiev and Odessa.
            or only Russians fought?
            or maybe Vlasov was not among the Russians. Cossack SS divisions?
            don't remember?

            No, we didn’t beguiled it.
            For us, these millions of Ukrainians are still heroes.
            And the Bandera, like the Vlasovites and the SS Cossack divisions, are on the same side. Traitors.
            But the authorities of modern Ukraine are now for some reason the opposite.
            The veterans became traitors, and the Ssovites became heroes.
            Donbass did not accept this and now the criminals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to destroy them. The separatists are sitting in Kiev.
          5. 0
            29 June 2021 08: 34
            Quote: atalef
            we and the pogroms on the territory of the Russian Empire remember, and so on and so forth. - what is the connection?

            We also remember that in the Russian Empire about 6000 people were killed by militants at the beginning of the 20th century. For militants from the United States, they supplied Smith and Wesson revolvers, and reinforced charges that were not even used in the US Army. Let me remind you at least of the murder of Stolypin.
        2. +1
          24 June 2021 08: 20
          Shekels don't smell. And as far as I remember, the atalef has relatives in ukrain. And he comments very selectively, only that which cannot be refuted, but he carefully avoids sharp corners ...
          1. -1
            24 June 2021 08: 39
            Quote: Russian quilted jacket
            Shekels don't smell.

            They are validated by the Jewish dollar.
          2. -2
            24 June 2021 10: 53
            Quote: Russian quilted jacket
            Shekels don't smell. And as far as I remember, the atalef has relatives in ukrain.

            Well, I had no doubts - "They are ....;.;"
            1. -2
              24 June 2021 15: 48
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And as far as I remember, the atalef has relatives in ukrain.

              do you remember correctly - father-in-law with mother-in-law in Kiev - both Russians. in between. request
              1. +2
                24 June 2021 18: 55
                Quote: atalef
                do you remember correctly - father-in-law with mother-in-law in Kiev - both Russians. in between.

                Well then, I put a plus for courage.
                1. -2
                  24 June 2021 21: 30
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Well then, I put a plus for courage.

                  courage in what 7 They live there absolutely peacefully.
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2021 09: 51
                    Quote: atalef
                    courage in what 7 They live there absolutely peacefully.

                    That they confessed, not how they live.
        3. 0
          28 June 2021 21: 25
          Jews have a rather selective memory laughing
      2. +1
        24 June 2021 10: 11
        There is a ban on teaching in Russian, and not only on teaching.
      3. 0
        29 June 2021 08: 28
        Quote: atalef
        So what are the same

        Fascism and nationalism
        And I don’t know the links to vlt, but I can drop the books in a personal if you want - Victor Polishchuk
        Bitter truth. The crimes of the OUN-UPA (confession of a Ukrainian) and G.V. Kostyrchenko Stalin against the cosmopolitans.
    2. 0
      28 June 2021 21: 23
      An excellent idea, in my opinion, death is too quick and easy, but it's still quite original and cool.))))) laughing hi
  7. -1
    24 June 2021 06: 30
    mad dogs must be destroyed! and there are most of them!
  8. +3
    24 June 2021 06: 34
    The main problem of President Zelensky is personal cowardice, not the ability to resist someone else's will.
    It is clear that Zelensky, Poroshenko, or some new Pan President, these are US puppets, they have already been chosen and appointed under someone else's will.

    Personally, I'm more interested in what kind of will they obeyed when they gave a "stop order" when attacking Mariupol? Who made our great president recognize the elections in Ukraine after the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev? Why did they ignore the "Russian spring" in Ukraine, when the entire southeast was only waiting for a signal from Moscow?

    A miner, driver, businessman, janitor in 2014 is a militia. But this same fighter in 2021 is no longer just a soldier or an officer. He is an experienced, tried and tested professional.

    All of this is well known at the headquarters of Ukraine, there are the same former Soviet officers, and with many of us we have ever served together. It is not necessary to hold for fools those who are now pumping up Ukraine with weapons and instructing its units. What will we do, if a large-scale war breaks out in the Donbass (in the eyes of the West, the establishment of constitutional order by the Kiev authorities), Donbass will no longer be able to withstand the intervention of Russia. Will our tanks cross the border, or in the name of peace, humanism and tolerance, shall we express only regrets and concerns?
    1. -10
      24 June 2021 07: 05
      Quote: Per se.
      Why did they ignore the "Russian spring" in Ukraine?

      that's why they ignored it. that she was not. the people did not support her - but Smelkov's forces and they are not there were no longer enough for such a territory.
      Quote: Per se.
      when the whole southeast was only waiting for a signal from Moscow?

      I was waiting
      belay
      Quote: Per se.
      This is all well known at the headquarters of Ukraine, there are the same former Soviet officers

      The USSR collapsed 30 years ago - they are all retired long ago or so
      Quote: Per se.
      No need to keep for fools those who are now pumping up Ukraine with weapons and instructing its units

      I wonder who is pumping up the territory of the LPNR with weapons and instructing its units? Let me guess? BUT !!!
      they have trophy weapons, and before everything else in military science, they figured out for themselves what talented miners are in a given territory laughing
      Quote: Per se.
      if a large-scale war breaks out in the Donbas (in the eyes of the West, - the establishment of constitutional order by the Kiev authorities)

      Yes, that's exactly what it's called.
      The First Chechen War (officially: Operations to restore constitutional order in Chechnya 1994-1996 [19] [20], or the Armed conflict in the Chechen Republic and adjacent territories of the Russian Federation [21]; also known as the First Chechen Campaign [22] [23] and the First Russian-Chechen War
      1. +2
        24 June 2021 07: 32
        Quote: atalef
        Why did they ignore the "Russian spring" in Ukraine?

        that's why they ignored it. that she was not. the people did not support her - but Smelkov's forces and they are not there were no longer enough for such a territory.

        If this Spring had not happened in 1945, then Israel would not have existed, and yes or no, I don’t know.
        1. -6
          24 June 2021 07: 36
          Quote: tihonmarine
          There would be no this Spring in 1945, then there would be no Israel

          and you would not exist.
          And on the topic have something to say?
          1. +1
            24 June 2021 07: 46
            Quote: atalef
            and you would not exist.
            And on the topic have something to say?

            I can say! I would not exist, but not a single Jew would also exist, not only in the USSR, but also in Europe. Or do you doubt ?????
            1. -7
              24 June 2021 07: 47
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I can say!

              do not deny yourself anything
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I would not exist, but not a single Jew would also exist, not only in the USSR, but also in Europe.

              well
              and what is the connection with Donbass?
              1. 0
                24 June 2021 08: 44
                Quote: atalef
                well
                and what is the connection with Donbass?

                And there live those people who lived in the USSR and remained them, but not the fascists who exterminated our citizens during the Second World War and are exterminating now, including Jews. Or maybe I lied and it's not true ??? Well, "atalef" forward is your move.
      2. +5
        24 June 2021 08: 00
        Quote: atalef
        The USSR collapsed 30 years ago - they are all retired long ago or so
        Or so, if we talk specifically about the staff officers. In general, Alexander, what can you say to a representative of a loyal US ally? Israel itself "put" on many UN resolutions, the same Gaza Strip, in fact, an occupied territory occupied and inhabited by Israeli settlers.

        Speaking about Ukraine, and the article and commentary about it, there would not have been any Bandera power now, if, at least, we had not recognized the farce with the elections held by the organizers of the anti-constitutional coup, under the patronage of the CIA and the US State Department. It was enough to say that you are nobody and call you in any way, under the legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov. Even the troops would not have to be brought in. The referendum in Crimea became automatically illegal when the new government was recognized, like the referendums in Donbass (and there could be similar ones throughout the southeast of Ukraine).

        The problem is that not only Israel is dependent on the United States, but also our powers that be, who keep their stuff in other people's banks and foreign currency. To everything, as Elena noted (Egoza), our bad boys, in their new bourgeoisie, do not need people's republics, a socialist orientation. So they got a boycott and sanctions with "import substitution", where some of them raised their ratings in the ostentatious "butting" with the West, others got the desired image of the enemy, with new profits. Ordinary people are suffering, Russians are being killed in Donbass, and “let them just try” remains just words.
        1. 0
          28 June 2021 22: 02
          Totally agree hi drinks
      3. -1
        24 June 2021 10: 12
        No, there was just massive support.
      4. +4
        24 June 2021 10: 33
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, that's exactly what it's called.
        The First Chechen War (officially: Operations to restore constitutional order in Chechnya 1994-1996 [19] [20], or the Armed conflict in the Chechen Republic and adjacent territories of the Russian Federation [21]; also known as the First Chechen Campaign [22 ] [23] and the First Russian-Chechen war

        And that in the LDNR, as well as in Ichkeria, private prisons (zindans) have been created in residential buildings and the involuntary market is flourishing?
        In LDNR, how is the arms market thriving in Ichkeria?
        Mercenaries and murderers from all over the world, including from international al-Qaeda terrorists, are roaming the forests and nas.punktam of the LPNR?
        In the so-called. Ichkeria held a referendum on independence, as in the LDNR on May 11, 2014?
        Ukrainians in the LDNR were subjected to oppression, as in the so-called. Ichkeria?
        From 1991 to 1999, more than 21 thousand peaceful (non-military) Russian-speaking citizens were killed in Chechnya, over 100 thousand apartments and houses were seized from representatives of non-titular (non-Chechen) nationalities, about 46 thousand people were turned into slaves.

        Natives and LDNR seize hospitals, theaters, schools ... in Kiev and other cities controlled by the Ukrainian authorities?
        Do residents of LDNR systematically cash out hundreds of billions of hryvnias using fake Ukrainian advice notes?
        LDNR carries out robberies of trains passing from Ukraine, including passenger ones?
        In 1993 alone, Chechen gangs robbed 559 trains. Taking hostages, including foreign citizens, torture, executions have become the norm.

        In Lugansk and Donetsk are planning a trip to Kiev or Lvov, Poltava, Chernigov ...?

        Who knows, it is quite possible that "proud Ichkeria" would have existed even now, if the militants of Khattab and Basayev had not gone on a military campaign to Russian Dagestan with the intention of augmenting Chechnya with neighboring territories. It was after this that it was decided to conduct the second Chechen campaign, in which Moscow was supported by most of the Chechen people ...
        1. -3
          24 June 2021 11: 11
          Quote: Terenin
          And what about the LDNR, as well as in Ichkeria ...

          Why are you asking him such tricky questions?
          Do not change the Probander firmware anyway No.
          1. +3
            24 June 2021 17: 38
            Quote: PiK
            Quote: Terenin
            And what about the LDNR, as well as in Ichkeria ...

            Why are you asking him such tricky questions?
            Do not change the Probander firmware anyway No.

            Their firmware changes, as in the Wedding in Malinovka, one or two.
            This is understandable, obviously a former Ukrainian Komsomol member-patriot, like Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk, and ours and yours will dance a dime for a penny. Either he helped the Bandera people in the forest, now an ideological communist, now he cannot live without the United States. And they always swear, swear and cross themselves, like the last time.
            So this atalef will then swear that his devil-Bandera beguiled.
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          1. +3
            24 June 2021 17: 59
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Terenin
            And that in the LDNR, as in Ichkeria, private prisons have been created

            Yes . the field commanders excelled in this. Especially Dremov's Cossacks.
            Loot squeezed to the fullest

            If the retention of prisoners of war and the sale of children to parents and parents to children are one and the same, then this is really Banderaism.

            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Terenin
            In the so-called. Ichkeria held a referendum on independence, as in the LDNR on May 11, 2014?

            Yes, they did it in Tatarstan - did you know?
            Quote: Terenin
            Ukrainians in the LDNR were subjected to oppression, as in the so-called. Ichkeria?
            That's it! Tatarstan refused to sign the 1992 Federal Treaty. The constitution of the republic, adopted on November 30, 1992, proclaimed Tatarstan a sovereign state ...
            And who bombed him, shot him? Calmly signed in February 1994 an agreement on the delineation of powers between the authorities of Russia and Tatarstan. The agreement provided for special conditions for the republic to enter the Russian Federation. It expired in 2017, after which the Russian leadership did not renew it, because Tatarstan is part of the Russian Federation on the basis of the Russian constitution.
            And, your brainless Bandera soldiers sent tanks with planes to the southeast, where they got them on the sopatka. And, now, dukhar ... they say, the most powerful army in Europe laughing

            Quote: atalef
            just one more big cannibals and the same thing. though some of them are now heroes of Russia and even academicians
            What are your heroes ... winked would be silent.


            Quote: atalef
            wrestled all the property of Ukrainian companies - will you deny it?
            And how they squeezed out apartments and cars is generally a song
            Yes, unfortunately they didn’t press it. All the same oligarchs still rule. Don't bother me about apartments and cars, even your products from stolen refrigerators were not taken out, and the water was not drained from washing machines. So all the loot in the LDNR and take it to western Ukraine.

            Quote: atalef
            Well, trains don't go there. Tell me you will reach the same toilets in comparison - well, or like who is pissing more in elevators?
            I understand that the "trains of friendship" are haunted.

            Prepare for a military tribunal. He will be above you in the LDNR.
      5. 0
        24 June 2021 15: 36
        Quote: atalef
        I wonder who is pumping up the territory of the LPNR with weapons and instructing its units? Let me guess? BUT !!!

        I wonder who ISIS is sponsoring?
    2. 0
      24 June 2021 07: 30
      Quote: Per se.
      It is clear that Zelensky, Poroshenko, or some new Pan President, these are US puppets, they have already been chosen and appointed under someone else's will.

      Raised and nourished by the State Department and the CIA.
    3. +7
      24 June 2021 07: 38
      Quote: Per se.
      Why did they ignore the "Russian spring" in Ukraine, when the entire southeast was only waiting for a signal from Moscow?

      Because the "Russian spring" and the DPR in particular, presupposed the creation of a socialist republic. And capitalist Russia does not need such an example at hand.
    4. -1
      24 June 2021 07: 54
      Quote: Per se.
      It is clear that Zelensky, Poroshenko, or some new pan president

      Sorry to interfere with your comments, but there can be no pans among the Jews. There is another hierarchy.
      1. +2
        24 June 2021 08: 10
        Quote: tihonmarine
        there can be no pans among the Jews
        Vlad, we're not talking about Israel. In addition, there are many good, decent and intelligent people among the Jews, many of whom were and are comrades.
        1. -1
          24 June 2021 08: 20
          Quote: Per se.
          Vlad, we're not talking about Israel.

          Certainly not about Israel but about Poroshenko and Zelensky. Are they really Ukrainians? Or who ??? Or did I do it?
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 08: 33
            Quote: tihonmarine
            about Poroshenko and Zelensky
            They are citizens of Ukraine, and if there is a "pan president" and they are presidents, then there will be pan Zelensky.

            What to do, a large part of Odessa is Jews, but Odessa-mother was and is a Russian city temporarily under Bandera rule, like the whole of Little Russia. Let's figure it out if with our party renegades (maybe some still have a conscience, others have at least fear to appear, with a new wind), then the issue with Ukraine will be resolved.
            1. -1
              24 June 2021 11: 56
              Quote: Per se.
              They are citizens of Ukraine, and if there is a "pan president" and they are presidents, then there will be pan Zelensky.

              Yes, I understand you, man, I sat down
          2. -1
            24 June 2021 12: 30
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Or who ??? Or did I do it?

            My answer is "DEBYL" and a moron.
          3. -1
            24 June 2021 12: 35
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Certainly not about Israel but about Poroshenko and Zelensky. Are they really Ukrainians? Or who ??? Or did I do it?

            Glory to Allah, I am a stupid person and all Ukrainian people ..................
            г
        2. 0
          24 June 2021 08: 28
          Quote: Per se.
          In addition, there are many good, decent and intelligent people among the Jews,

          Why should I not respect Russian Jews? But those people who live in Israel and profess Russophobia are not acceptable to me. Or am I here that I do not understand something ???
          1. 0
            24 June 2021 10: 37
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Or am I not understanding something here?
            Maybe. Many people in Israel now speak and think in Russian. Language is a kind of code on which the mentality itself depends in no small measure. Israel is not homogeneous, there are religious orthodoxies there, and there are purely mercantile entities, no doubt, there are Russophobes (I would not be surprised if among them there are former party opportunists, renegades from the USSR and Russia, who betrayed communism), but there are also many people in Israel , which I mentioned above, that is, smart, honest, decent. So, we need to find a common language with them.

            Eternal power in truth and justice, temporary power in money, smart people understand this. Here, it is necessary that Russia itself be the personification of truth and justice, being strong, then strength will go to strength, and, at the same time, money to money, allies to allies.

            The United States is holding on to meanness and hypocrisy, enslaving the world in its satanic system. This is an absolute evil, on which Russia is now dependent. Prudes and demagogues can laugh, working out their bone, but, I think, the future is not for the United States.
            1. +1
              24 June 2021 12: 22
              In Russia, the system is exactly the same as in the United States, so it will not work to become the personification of truth and justice.
    5. 0
      28 June 2021 21: 57
      You know, I have always asked and still ask these questions. A concrete answer to them (this one with clear evidence) can hardly ever be received from someone. But so, as they say in plain sight, there are two answers.1 Vovchik is not even Russian at all and he does not care about Russian people from a high tower. 2 he is wildly afraid of the accounts of his closest people (and very possibly at his own expense) located in Swiss banks.
  9. +1
    24 June 2021 07: 12
    And what are you surprised, they always could. It's worth a look at the story. And we always can't. The last story with the English ship. Something like that
    1. -3
      24 June 2021 08: 24
      Quote: Blond84
      The story is worth seeing. And we always can't

      The Japanese can, geyrope can, well, the states are always, a little bit of Britain and even the limitrophe, but Russia and China and the same India CANNOT !!! But in general, genocide.
  10. +3
    24 June 2021 07: 12
    The authors of the Minsk Agreements should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and presented with a rainbow flag.
    1. -4
      24 June 2021 22: 19
      Quote: atos_kin
      The authors of the Minsk Agreements should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and presented with a rainbow flag.

      Poroshenko tried to ascribe to himself, but Berlin rejected it
      As stated in the press service of the German government, this document was the result of the work of all parties.
      "The Minsk agreements are the result of intensive negotiations between all parties involved.
      The package of measures for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, signed on February 12, 2015, was supported by the President of the Russian Federation, the President of Ukraine, the President of the French Republic and the Federal Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany in a joint declaration on the same day. The UN Security Council approved the package on February 17, 2015, "RIA Novosti quotes.

      as you can see, everyone participated and everyone wrote.
      It was smooth on paper ...
  11. +1
    24 June 2021 07: 31
    That which does not exist cannot be violated. There are no laws of war.
    1. -1
      24 June 2021 10: 13
      The laws of war are the Nazis, for example, tried to a large extent for their violation.
      1. +1
        24 June 2021 13: 39
        They were judged because they were defeated, and not because they violated any laws of war.
        In war, blood, death and lawlessness reign. Woe to the vanquished, the ancient Romans said. The one who was defeated is guilty. In this case, the Nazis lost.
        1. -1
          24 June 2021 13: 55
          This is not entirely true. Otherwise, any war was a massacre without taking prisoners and observing conventions.
  12. 0
    24 June 2021 09: 08
    Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cynically violate the laws of war and kill the citizens of the republics
    Simple logic ... "I do whatever I want and nothing will come to me for it" ...
    Some also thought so, then they had to answer for it!
  13. +1
    24 June 2021 09: 38
    Peace and quiet will come on the Ukrainian land only when every Ukrainian mother who gave birth, raised and raised the killer of the nationalist Bandera, will receive her "hero" in the coffin,
    which does not contradict the Minsk agreements.
  14. +3
    24 June 2021 10: 27
    Because they can.

    The correct question is why the LDNR cannot.
    1. 0
      28 June 2021 22: 11
      They do not allow them to go out, but not the one in Kiev at the bank, but the one in the Kremlin
  15. +1
    24 June 2021 11: 20
    Why? Because they are not afraid of punishment either from Russia or the LPNR. There are no alternatives to Minsk ...
  16. BAI
    +1
    24 June 2021 11: 32
    Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cynically violate the laws of war and kill the citizens of the republics

    Because impunity. No answer. By committing any provocations, the Armed Forces do not risk anything.
  17. -1
    24 June 2021 11: 35
    Because this is the only way Bandera's people fight. In another way, nature does not allow.
  18. -1
    24 June 2021 12: 29
    Quote: PiK
    ... Ukrvaaina interprets it exclusively as a possibility of undermining the situation, abusing the fulfillment by the republics of the requirements of the clauses of the agreement without responding with fire to fire, but at the same time violating them without bothering much.
    And without consequences for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all of Ukraine. So they believed in their impunity

    Ukraine can interpret anything and how you want in "Minsk". But after its interpretation, concrete little people go to the republics, they go to kill, rape, rob,. For a puppy idea, or for money - it doesn't matter anymore. All these little men, sooner or later, will have to hide somewhere in the shade. But this is already the business of the cleaners - not a single creature should escape punishment for the crimes committed by her.
    1. -2
      24 June 2021 12: 50
      Quote: Orca
      All these little men, sooner or later, will have to hide somewhere in the shade. But this is already the business of the cleaners - not a single creature should escape punishment for the crimes committed by her.

      Even many Nazis escaped punishment at one time, but while these are covered by the United States, they have nothing to fear.
  19. +3
    24 June 2021 14: 03
    Well, the Russians ...
    Until recently, I amused myself with the illusion that our countries will be able to reconcile. However, the events of the last days and weeks show that the great war between ours is becoming more and more inevitable.
    We, the citizens of Ukraine, who regard Russians as a fraternal people, perceive the future with fear, pain and despair.
    Forgive me for not being able to ward off this, too powerful forces are interested in pushing our peoples' heads together.
    All I can promise is not to take part in the impending fratricidal war.
    PS I don't really count on understanding.
  20. 0
    24 June 2021 15: 03
    The main goal of the Armed Forces is the psychological suppression of the enemy. The constant shelling is annoying, especially if it is forbidden to respond. This causes rejection by civilians of the current state of affairs and fatigue. Some of the residents made themselves citizenship of the Russian Federation and thought of themselves in the paradigm "I am an astronaut, you will stay, but I will fly away." Even in 2014, there was no general enrollment in volunteers. Some of the people thought they would serve their time. And now they think they have done it. It remains only to disband the people's militia. In the development of such sentiments, Ukrainians help, who believe that they are entitled to "a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies." And after all, they have a chance to find out that bullets are cheaper.
    Summing up: I must say that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no matter how cynical it may seem, are using the situation to create psychological pressure on the population of the unrecognized republics and the people's militia. If this situation develops further, they can win.
  21. 0
    24 June 2021 15: 46
    The question "why" is asked by a bad commander. What are the "laws of war"? There are no laws against us, we are not considered people.
  22. +1
    24 June 2021 16: 03
    "The main task is to reach the border and eliminate the possibility of military assistance to the corps from Russia."
    In order to eliminate such a possibility, it is necessary to eliminate both the Army of the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation itself, in principle. And so, as soon as they begin to approach the border, they will immediately receive from their northern neighbor from all the available trunks. And on TV and in the Foreign Ministry there will be a video showing how these most valiant Ukrainian Armed Forces forgot to stop at the border and tried to rush to Moscow. Therefore, we were simply forced to stop the aggressor and drive him to Kiev. This will be a 100% Georgian scenario. At first like Wow !, and then Ai-Ai-Ai hurts. I think everyone understands this (the US and the EU), well, maybe except for the Sumerians.
    1. 0
      7 July 2021 06: 30
      From LBS to the outskirts of Lugansk (almost) in a straight line for about 15 km. In the event of a massive breakthrough of the shelters, the tanks, at a speed of 5 km / h, will be on the outskirts of Lugansk in 3 hours. In 10-15 hours they can make full coverage, with access to the borders with the Russian Federation. And then, they will simply make several OSCE and US missions on the occupied territory (with the flag raised), which will cover themselves from shelling.
      And in the Russian Federation, in the same 10-15 hours, in the best case, the information will reach the top, where else they will understand - is it really an offensive or another provocation, and how to react to it and whether to react at all.
  23. -3
    24 June 2021 18: 20
    Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cynically violate the laws of war and kill the citizens of the republics

    There is not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the National Battalions, the descendants of the Bandera policemen and other lackeys of the Fritz SS, run in Kiev, well, as a tandem, the oligarchy and those in power of a certain nationality .. Very much they all work out clearly together and the support of such a Congress of the United States and others .. Ukraine is almost plundered tied with blood negative
    After all, the escape will begin and this is not the first time for them, and there are caches abroad ..
    Their crime has no statute of limitations .. After all, everything was written and documented, well, they bragged without hesitation.
    There is a lot of work to be done in the future, but no one will get away from retaliation .. Too angered Russia and the Russians. hi
    1. 0
      24 June 2021 21: 20
      Quote: xorek
      Ukraine is almost plundered, tied in blood
      After all, the escape will begin and this is not the first time for them, and there are caches abroad ..

      All the weed in Canada has been trampled. Soon, the newly-minted Natsiks will jump there. Poor Canadians winked
  24. 0
    24 June 2021 21: 09
    Because war has one law - the absence of any laws ... You can argue ...
    1. -4
      24 June 2021 22: 46
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      Because war has one law - the absence of any laws ... You can argue

      and who argues that ..
      War is not a knightly tournament ... but a modern one for a long time ..
      all the more informational. There, the truth is the first to die.
      I read the article. I will hardly be allowed to speak like Alexander from sunny Israel.
      But once I wrote about the unlimited hunt for doctors in this war, because of Galitskaya. She just died in the same situation as described by the author of the article. (ATGM in the ambulance BRDM during a trip through the villages to the wounded)
      Looked at the statistics
      2017 Ukraine has 38 doctors
      2018 - 68 doctors, more than 200 wounded. 300 awarded (one received the Hero of Ukraine posthumously)
      And yes, in addition to their military, they treated civilians (this is the job for the doctors of the two sides to treat everyone). Many died on the road for the wounded civilians.
      I looked at Google and did not find statistics on the losses of doctors in the LDNR. They, as well as the Ukrainian Armed Forces, regularly report about shelling of ambulances. The parties will accuse each other of violating the principles of warfare. Conventions (although there is an incident, only Ukraine is bound by them, the LDNR is not recognized and not bound) morality and so on.
      I read the material that doctors (no matter how cynical it sounds) but one of the most serious arguments in the war. For they are rebuilding the soldiers. A lot depends on them. Even more than weapons.
      But still, I remain of the opinion that in 2018 the parties secretly declared an unlimited war on doctors.
      In particular, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the starting point was the death of Galitskaya, and the LPNR, obviously, of its own doctors.
      Since then, the ATGM has been sent to all targets.
      It is hard to say without statistics from the LDNR who excelled in the extermination of doctors. So far, I have cited the figures from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and then for 2018 (I looked at the list for 2021, I did not find any doctors). The numbers are big. And the trend.
      By the way, it would be interesting to read a neutral article about doctors in this war.
  25. -1
    25 June 2021 07: 18
    Because there is no tough answer in time. There is no need to shoot at the soldiers ... There is reconnaissance, there are their commanders, communication centers ... and so on. Give the DPR and LPR any "Lancets" or corr shells to the artillery and the sabotage will stop pretty quickly
  26. -1
    25 June 2021 07: 53
    Because their impunity allows them to do so. But why this happens, the question is certainly interesting.
    1. +1
      25 June 2021 10: 24
      Again, some kind of political games of our leadership ... at the expense of the lives of our own population. The pressure should be constant on Ukraine and loyalty should be obtained under pressure ... and ours have been playing giveaways for 20 years, they launder money there and get nothing in return. Losers.
  27. 0
    25 June 2021 08: 28
    Until trade with the outskirts is completely stopped, there is no point in talking about the cessation of hostilities!
  28. 0
    26 June 2021 05: 13
    An article, such a thick hint from the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, that everyone is aware of Ukrov's plans :)
  29. 0
    4 July 2021 11: 38
    You are sure that
    Russia, judging by what is happening in the world, has also lost interest in this territory.
    ??
  30. 0
    7 July 2021 00: 17
    Oh what a good article! Especially in the part where, allegedly, from the point of view of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from the words:
    The main thesis of such reasoning ...
    and up to
    SOME CONCLUSIONS
    the real state of affairs in the NM LPR is described.
  31. 0
    26 July 2021 08: 31
    Because someone is slowing down the LDNR's response to the "hunt" for the Ukrainian military. If "an eye for an eye" then I do not think that the desire to do so for a long time will remain among the ukrovoy. In general, take an example from Turkey .... they introduced wax to Syria to protect the Turkomans.