Jesuit State in South America

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The Jesuit order that still exists today (15 members in 842 countries in 112, 2018 of them were priest) has a terrible reputation. The expression "Jesuit methods" has long become synonymous with unscrupulous actions. The words of Iñigo (Ignatius) Loyola are often quoted:

"Enter the world as meek sheep, act there like ferocious wolves, and when they drive you like dogs, know how to crawl like snakes."

The founder of the order is also credited with the authorship of the famous phrase "the end justifies the means." Meanwhile, as early as 1532, Niccolo Machiavelli used a similar expression in the book "The Emperor".



Another version of the phrase belongs to the English philosopher Thomas Hobbes. But Blaise Pascal in his work "Letters to the Provincial" put the words in the mouth of a Jesuit:

"We correct the depravity of the means by the purity of the end."

Finally, this phrase appeared in the "Book of Moral Theology" by the Jesuit writer Antonio Antonio Escobar y Mendoza. In fact, the motto of the Jesuit Order is "To the greater glory of God."

Jesuit State in South America
Jesuit coat of arms

The general attitude towards the Jesuits is expressed in a quotation from the parody "General storiesprocessed by Satyricon ":

“The Jesuit order is such an order that all mankind, against any desire, has been wearing around its neck for several centuries. Unfortunately, people have not yet learned how to hang this order properly ”.

(Apparently, it is assumed that its members should be "hung by the neck").

Even the educational activities of the Jesuits (the successes in which were undeniable and very great) are reproached with the order: they say, they take innocent children and turn them into fanatical, but hypocritical monsters.

Black legend


Meanwhile, one can hear the opinion that the Jesuits were slandered by members of other religious orders. And they could do this out of a sense of elementary envy. There are also many black and bloody spots on their reputation. The Dominican Order, for example, traditionally supplied judges to inquisitorial tribunals, and the hands of its founder were covered in blood not even up to the elbows, but up to the very shoulders. But the Jesuits, like a lightning rod, distracted and divert all attention to themselves.

As early as 1551, the Augustinian monk George Brown compared the Jesuits to the Pharisees and accused them of seeking to "destroy the truth." Then the Dominican Melchor Kano spoke out against the Jesuits. Later, some false documents were written, in which the Jesuits were ascribed a desire for all-encompassing power, which should be achieved at any cost, without disdaining the most dirty methods. Some authors called the Jesuits the heirs of the Templars and claimed that they were the first Illuminati.

There were grounds for envy. The Jesuits' rivals were less fanatical and less effective. There is a legend about the theological dispute between the Jesuits and the Augustinians. When the theoretical theses did not reveal the advantages of either side, it was decided to move on to practice. By order of the head of the Jesuit delegation, one of the monks accompanying him took the burning coals from the hearth in his palm and walked with them along those present. The Augustines were not ready for such a competition and admitted defeat.

Even the Vatican had a very controversial view of the Society of Jesus. On the one hand, 41 Jesuits are canonized (including Loyola himself), and 285 are blessed.


P. Rubens. St. Ignatius of Loyola

And on this icon we see Francis Xavier, one of the first 6 students and associates of Loyola.


Saint François Xavie, patron saint of Australia, New Zealand, China, India, Japan and Borneo, patron of all foreign missions, since 1952 - patron saint of tourists

On the other hand, the Jesuit order was officially banned by the Vatican from 1773 to 1814, but managed to survive (including with the help of Catherine II, who opened the door to Russia for it).

The truth, as always, is in the middle. So, John Ballard was executed for complicity in a conspiracy to assassinate Elizabeth of England, Henry Garnet - for participating in the Gunpowder Plot. And Pedro Arrupe led the first rescue team in the atomic bombed Hiroshima. Astronomer Christopher Clavius ​​created the final version of the Gregorian calendar, Honore Fabri explained the blue color of the sky. The camellia flower got its name in honor of the Czech Jesuit botanist Georg Josef Kamel. Francisco Suarez was the first to talk about international law, the criteria for a just and moderate war, and even the right to overthrow monarchs.

Along with the truly dark and unsightly pages of the history of this order (which no one is going to deny), the Jesuits have sometimes demonstrated amazing success in the most unexpected areas. One of the most amazing episodes in world history is their creation in South America of a successful and stable (existed for more than 150 years!) State, the citizens of which were the local Guaraní Indians.

Guarani of South America


It is curious that the Guarani Indians were cannibals and began their acquaintance with the Europeans by eating the commander of one of the Conquistadorian troops, don Juan de Solis. However, this cannibalism was of a ritual nature: usually the most valiant and powerful enemies were eaten, among which, apparently, de Solis was credited. And in 1541, one of the Guaraní tribes burned down Buenos Aires.


Guarani, Paraguay

Translated into Russian, the word guarani means "warrior", however, compared to other tribes, these Indians did not differ in particular militancy and were inclined to a sedentary lifestyle.

The Guarani practiced slash-and-burn agriculture, staying in one place for 5-6 years. When the soil was depleted, the whole tribe moved to another place. They also raised birds and pigs, hunted and fished. The Franciscans were the first to preach Christianity among the Guaraní. Of particular note is Luis de Bolaños, who was the first to learn the Guarani language and even translated some of the religious texts into it. But it was the Jesuits who then worked so successfully with these Indians that Montesquieu wrote:

“In Paraguay, we see an example of those rare institutions that were created to educate peoples in the spirit of virtue and piety. The Jesuits were blamed for their system of government, but they became famous for being the first to instill religious and humane concepts in the inhabitants of distant countries. "

And Voltaire even called the experiment of the Paraguayan Jesuits "in some respects a triumph of mankind."

What is Paraguay


Let's say right away that the territories of modern Paraguay and the Paraguayan state of the Jesuits do not coincide. The Spanish colonial authorities considered Paraguay a territory that also includes part of the lands of modern Bolivia, Argentina and Uruguay. This Paraguay was part of the Viceroyalty of Peru and was subordinate to the Governor of Asuncion. And the Jesuit province of Paraguay did include all of Argentina, all of Uruguay and the modern Brazilian province of Rio Grande do Sul.

Jesuits in South America


How did it all begin and why did the order, in general, take this tribe under its tutelage?

The Jesuits took an active part in missionary work in the newly discovered lands of Africa, Asia and America. The first Jesuits arrived on the coast of South America (the territory of modern Brazil) in 1549. And already in 1585 they appeared on the lands of modern Paraguay.

In 1608, King Philip III of Spain asked the Jesuits to send their missionaries to the Guaraní. The Jesuits took this assignment very seriously. The first settlement of the Indians baptized by them ("reduction" - reducir, from the Spanish "convert, convert, lead to faith") was founded in March 1610. It was named Nuestra Senora de Loreto.


Reduction of Nuestra Senora de Loreto on an XNUMXth century engraving

Among the Indians, there were so many who wanted to settle in it that already in 1611, a new reduction was founded - San Ignacio Guazu.

In the same year 1611, the Jesuits achieved the exemption of their wards from paying taxes for a period of 10 years. In 1620, the number of reductions increased to 13, and their population was about 100 thousand people. 10 years later, in 1630, there were already 27 reductions. In total, the Jesuits created 31 reductions.

Portuguese Bandeiras against Jesuit reductions


However, the territory occupied by the Guaraní was problematic. It was located at the junction of the possessions of Spain and Portugal. And the Portuguese "Paulist" Bandeiras (squads of slave hunters from São Paulo) regularly raided these lands. For the Portuguese, the Bandeirants were pioneering heroes.

The Spaniards assessed their activities in a completely different way. In the documents of the same Jesuits, it is said that the Bandeirants "look more like wild beasts than rational people." They were also called "people without a soul that kill Indians like animals, regardless of age and gender." At first, the Bandeyrants killed or enslaved the "no-man's Indians". Then it was the turn of the Guaraní, who were listed as subjects of the Spanish crown.

The result of such actions was a sharp decline in the number of the Indians of this tribe. The Jesuits soon became convinced that they could not solve the problem of these raids. The first Paulist attack on the reduction was recorded in 1620: the settlement of Incarnacion was completely destroyed, several hundred Indians were taken into slavery.

In 1628-1629, the Portuguese Bandeira under the leadership of Antonio Raposo Tavares east of the Parana River defeated 11 of the 13 reductions located there.

In 1631, the Paulists destroyed 4 reductions and took about a thousand Indians prisoner. This year the Jesuits were forced to evacuate part of the remaining settlements. Since 1635, Bandeirant raids have become annual.

In 1639 (according to other sources - in 1640), the Jesuits obtained permission from the authorities to arm the Indians. And in 1640 he managed to get a bull from the Pope, prohibiting the enslavement of baptized Indians. For the Bandeirans, the armament of the Indians had the most sad consequences: their expeditions in 1641, 1652 and 1676 completely failed and ended in almost a military disaster.

Indian resettlement


Nevertheless, the Jesuits decided to take their charges away from the Portuguese.

In 1640, they already organized a massive resettlement of Indians to the inland lands of the mainland. Their authority was already so high that the Indians unquestioningly followed them. Ultimately, new reductions were built in the difficult terrain between the Andes and the Parana, La Plata, Uruguay rivers. Currently, these are the border areas of three countries - Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay. It was here that the Jesuits created their Indian state, the memory of which is still alive: in all these countries, the areas previously occupied by them are called Misiones ("Missions") - this is how the Jesuits themselves called their lands.


Reductions of the Jesuits. Recall that the territories of the Jesuit province of Paraguay and the modern state of Paraguay do not coincide

The territory now occupied by the Indians led by the Jesuits was remote from trade routes, did not have valuable natural resources and therefore was of little interest to the authorities.

Thus, the Jesuits built their state in spite of the circumstances, and its economic well-being caused considerable surprise to contemporaries.

State of Paraguayan Jesuits


The idea of ​​creating a social Christian state is believed to belong to two Jesuits - Simon Macete and Cataldino. Some researchers believe that they developed this project under the influence of the ideas of Tommaso Campanella, especially his book "City of the Sun", published in 1623. According to their plan, in the reductions it was necessary to organize a correct religious life, which was supposed to protect converts from temptations and contribute to the salvation of their souls. Therefore, in all reductions, they did not spare money for the construction of richly decorated temples, a visit to which was mandatory.

The practical implementation of these ideas fell to the lot of Diego de Torres and Montoja. The first of them, in 1607, became the abbot of the Paraguayan "province". Previously, de Torres conducted missionary work in Peru. He clearly borrowed some ideas of the state structure from the Incas.

In 1645, the Jesuits were able to receive from Philip III the most important privilege: the secular authorities now had no right to interfere in their activities. The hands of the “holy fathers” were finally untied, and they got the opportunity to conduct their grandiose social experiment.

The reductions community has all the signs of statehood: central and local government, its own army, police, courts and prisons, hospitals. The number of reductions soon reached 31, the population of each of them ranged from 500 to 8 thousand. Some researchers argue that the population of the largest reduction, named after Francis Xavier, at some point reached 30 thousand people.

All reductions were built according to a single plan and were fortified settlements. In the center was a square with a church. On one side of the church was adjacent to a cemetery, behind which there was always an orphanage and a house where widows lived. On the other side of the cathedral, the building of the local "administration" was built, behind it - a school (in which girls studied), workshops and public warehouses. On the same side there was a priests' house surrounded by a garden. On the outskirts, identical square Indian houses were built.


Plano da Redução de São Miguel Arcanjo

Each of the reductions was headed by two Jesuits. The older one (in age) usually focused on "ideological work", the younger one took on administrative duties. In their work they relied on the corregidor, the mayors, and other officials, who were elected once a year by the population of the reductions. Since 1639, each reduction had well-armed detachments. During the period of the greatest power of the Jesuit state, they could deploy an army of 12 thousand people. One day, the Guarani army forced the British who were besieging this city to withdraw from Buenos Aires.

Thus, we see an example of simply unprecedented management efficiency: only two Jesuits, who stood at the head of the reduction, kept up to several thousand Indians in unconditional submission. At the same time, not a single case of an uprising of the population of reductions or any significant rebellion against the rule of the Jesuits is described. The crime rate was also extremely low, and the punishments were mild. It is argued that these were most often used public censure, fasting and penance. For serious offenses, the perpetrator received no more than 25 blows with a stick. As a last resort, the offender was sentenced to imprisonment, the term of which could not exceed 10 years.
In order to "help" the Indians to avoid temptation, they were forbidden not only to leave the settlements without permission, but also to go outside at night. Residential buildings usually had only one large room. These dwellings did not have entrance doors and windows.

Before meeting the Europeans, the Guaraní did not know private property. The Jesuits acted in the spirit of these traditions: the work was of a public nature, the products produced went to common warehouses, consumption was of an equalizing nature. Only after the wedding, a small plot of land was allocated to the new family, however, according to the testimony of contemporaries, the Indians were reluctant to work on it, and often it remained uncultivated.

In addition to traditional agricultural work, the Jesuits began to attract their wards to various crafts. Jesuit Antonio Sepp reports that in the large reduction of Yapeia, not only wooden buildings, but also large stone buildings, lime kilns, brick factories, a spinning workshop, dye-houses, and mills were built. In some places there was a foundry (the Indians learned how to cast bells).

In other reductions, shipyards were established (they built ships on which goods for sale were transported to the Atlantic coast along the Parana River), pottery workshops and workshops for wood and stone carving. There were even their own jewelers, gunsmiths and craftsmen who produced musical instruments. And in the reduction of Cordoba, a printing house was set up that printed spiritual literature in a language specially created by the Jesuits for the Guaraní. Trade in reductions was prohibited, but "external" flourished - with the settlements of the coast. The trade expeditions were led by one of the Jesuit leaders in charge of the reduction.

Marriages in this state were committed not out of love, but by the will of the heads of families. Girls were married at the age of 14, their grooms were 16.

Thus, we see some kind of "police state": life is strictly regulated, "leveling" flourishes. Denis Diderot did not like this, and he called the state system of the Jesuits "erroneous and demoralizing." However, as W. Churchill once said,

"Every nation can be happy only at its own level of civilization."

The Guarani seemed to suit the Jesuit order. And then they stubbornly defended their reductions with weapons in hand.

The collapse of the Jesuit state


In 1750, another treaty on the division of lands and spheres of influence in the New World was signed between Spain and Portugal. As a result, some of the reductions ended up in Portuguese territory. Their residents were ordered to leave their homes and move to Spanish lands. Meanwhile, the population in these reductions reached 30 thousand people, and the livestock population totaled up to a million heads.

As a result, the Indians of 7 reductions ignored this order, being left alone with Portugal and its army. The first major clashes took place in 1753, when four reductions repulsed the offensive of the Portuguese, and then the Spanish army. In 1756, the Spanish and Portuguese joined forces to defeat the rebels.

In 1761, this treaty between Spain and Portugal was canceled, but the order no longer had time to restore the destroyed reductions. The clouds were gathering over the order. In both Paraguay and Spain, rumors spread about the unheard-of wealth of the Jesuits and their "state" in Paraguay. The temptation to "rob" them was very great - just as the French king Philip IV had robbed the Templars in his time.

In 1767, a royal decree was issued, according to which the activities of the Jesuits were prohibited both in Spain and in its colonies. A mutiny broke out, to suppress which 5 thousand soldiers were thrown. As a result, 85 people were hanged in South America and 664 were sentenced to hard labor. In addition, 2260 Jesuits and their sympathizers were expelled. Then 437 people were expelled from Paraguay. The figure does not seem large, but these were the people who controlled about 113 thousand Indians.

Some reductions resisted, protecting their leaders, but the forces were not equal. As a result, it turned out that the Jesuit fathers (to the great chagrin of the royal officials) were honest people and the money they earned was not hidden under pillows, but spent on the needs of reductions. Deprived of adequate and authoritative leadership, these Indian settlements very quickly ceased to be profitable and became empty. Back in 1801, about 40 thousand Indians lived on the lands of the former "state" of the Jesuits (almost three times less than in 1767), and in 1835 only about 5 thousand Guarani were counted.

And the ruins of their missions - reductions, some of which have become tourist attractions of modern Paraguay, remind of the grandiose social experiment of the Jesuits.


Reduction Khesus de Tavarangue


Reduction of La Santisima Tinidad de Parana


Modern Guarani in Brazil
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  1. +5
    24 June 2021 04: 36
    Linnaeus presented many plants with names.
    But you can't argue - Kamel has thoroughly studied the flora of the Philippines.

    What can you do: Nicholas is not the only patron saint of travelers.
    Probably, humanity found helpers for him.
    1. +4
      24 June 2021 09: 14
      ........ Linnaeus .......

      Yes, I read about him as a child! First, he created a comprehensive classification of species of living organisms, which is used and rely on by all biologists of the planet. Secondly, even before Darwin, he expressed the idea that living species change over time. And thirdly, he discovered the reproductive process in plants. It was because of this that he was persecuted by the Church.
      1. +3
        24 June 2021 21: 30
        Well, yes, he introduced a binary nomenclature in the systematization of plants.
  2. +3
    24 June 2021 04: 40
    However, this cannibalism was of a ritual nature: usually the most valiant and powerful enemies were eaten, among which, apparently, de Solis was credited
    ... This is a great honor and de Solis would certainly appreciate it, by the way, where is he? laughing

    But seriously, it seems that the Jesuits, like Ivan the Terrible, are completely slandered by the West.
  3. +9
    24 June 2021 06: 05
    It should be noted that the Guarani Indians were extraordinarily musical, and their sense of tone was more developed than that of other Indians in Latin America. The priests often could not make their way on foot through the wild rainforests: there were very few missionaries, and the Indians were very distrustful of them. But the priests noticed that when they sang or played melodies in their boats, passing by the temporary settlements of the Guaraní, the Indians approached the shores and listened to them. Indian orchestras and choirs were the real pride of the Jesuit fathers. In orchestras, European violins, double basses, flutes and oboes sounded beautifully together with Indian reed and clay pipes, whistles and drums. In every church there was an organ, the most complex instrument, on which the talented Guaraní learned to play beautifully. By the end of the 20s. XVII century. the Indians were so skillful musicians and singers that they even gave a concert in Buenos Aires. The Spanish listeners were delighted.
  4. +7
    24 June 2021 07: 31
    Deprived of adequate and authoritative leadership, these Indian settlements very quickly ceased to be profitable and became empty.
    .

    a strange story: having lived under the leadership of the Jesuits for more than a hundred years, making up, among other things, and leading the colonies of the middle and lower echelons, the Indians have not learned how to manage the economy ...

    After the expulsion of the Jesuits, a huge number of state officials sat down on the reduction, whom they simply were not able to feed, and they disappeared ...
    1. +6
      24 June 2021 08: 40
      Colleague Olgovich, you have asked an interesting question: the Indians have not learned how to farm? Probably lacked a unifying purpose and authoritative leadership
    2. +2
      24 June 2021 15: 14
      "a huge number of state officials sat down on the reduction" is a familiar phenomenon: always and everywhere for every hard worker there is a bunch of different kinds of officials. People also noticed: "one with a bipod, and seven with a spoon" one injects, and various drones sit behind him
      1. +1
        24 June 2021 20: 27
        Portuguese Bandeira led by Antonio Raposo Tavares

        comrade Antonio Raposo smile
        By the way - a descendant of baptized Jews.
  5. +7
    24 June 2021 07: 59
    Thanks for the article, like a breath of fresh air
    1. +4
      24 June 2021 08: 05
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Thanks for the article, like a breath of fresh air

      good Join.
  6. +9
    24 June 2021 08: 23
    I note that the article is very good, extremely informative and even surprising in some way, overturning many ideas - thanks to the esteemed Valery! )))
    It remains to supplement it with only minor details and personal considerations.
    The Jesuits really stopped their attention on the Guarani because they were not only the most peaceful among the surrounding neighboring tribes, but such were the Chaco Indians (Guaikuru, Toba, Mbaya, others) or, for example, the Kerandi, Charrua and other wandering tribes of the Paraná basin and Uruguay, but they were also semi-sedentary and, in addition to growing the animals mentioned in the article, cultivated land for agricultural crops, such as cassava (a plant characteristic of all of South America), sweet potatoes, pumpkin.
    1. +6
      24 June 2021 09: 55
      hi Hello dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I also liked this article. But, I am ashamed to ask, this is, as I understand it, not the first article by the Author about the Jesuits. I have not read the previous ones, but I will definitely read them.
      I learned the new names of the tribes from your comments, and I am very happy about that. I read that the Guarani people, like the Mexicans, Mayans, Peruvians and Chibcha-Muisca, worshiped the white-skinned God of the Sun, who taught the Indians high moral values. His name is Tupa (which is why the other name of the Guarani tribe is Tupi)
      1. +6
        24 June 2021 10: 28
        Dimochka, good afternoon!)))
        Below I have posted a detailed commentary on the specificity of the Guaraní belief, and this specificity is amazing.
        1. +5
          24 June 2021 10: 30
          Wonderful! I read, just. love
          1. +10
            24 June 2021 12: 47
            Dima, all the likes you received have been canceled, I have no doubt, because of your appeal to me. And I even know who did it. There is no limit to human baseness.
            And you know what is significant?
            Here is an article by the Author, he worked, looked for materials, compiled them, presented them in his usual style. That is, he wasted time and energy. In the hope that the article will be liked, there will be serious reviews.
            And there are commentators who respond - those who are interested in the topic. Showing respect for the Author, they find materials, study them, that is, they again spend their personal time and in such heat - health and supplement the article in their comments. Indeed, the article cannot be dimensionless.
            And there are others. Having entered the forum, they leave a lot of absolutely meaningless comments that do not have any informational load, not witty, not interesting to anyone, the more so to the Author, earning likes either from random passers-by, or from some people who sympathize with them, because everyone, even a scoundrel, will find sympathizers ...
            And these are the ones who are sore when, ignoring their "outstanding" person, sympathy is expressed to someone else. I myself am regularly exposed to this kind of attacks. I believe that the task of such persons is to oust from the forums of VO people who can at least say something about the case, because they themselves are not given, and against the background of diligent commentators, I do not want to look dull. And here it is, a pronounced finale!
            Is the concept of conscience completely disappearing from our life? To brazenly get into the communication of two familiar people, each of whom puts a like to the other as a sign of courtesy and greeting, and to destroy these likes is tantamount to hitting the hands of people shaking hands, and thus taking oneself beyond the brink of decent human society.
            1. +8
              24 June 2021 13: 22
              Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! love Thank you for your attention and kind words to my humble person laughing wink Honestly, I haven't thought about it yet, haven't paid attention. Yes, indeed, it is ugly, immoral, but not in relation to me, and not even in relation to the respected Author. Or even to you ...... I glanced briefly, it seems to me, there are not many new ones in the HISTORY section. So, a new reader came, and immediately under the plinth! Maybe not to come back anymore. As a result, the site has fewer subscribers, and lost profit !!! It's good if a person finds himself and friends in other sections. And if not!
              I very rarely put cons, if something is anti-Russian. I think a lot of people do the same.
              I beg you, do not be upset because of this, do not think about it, if possible, we are all adults here, held one way or another. We will survive the cons. How many have I had in more than 5 years
              This too shall pass
              1. +5
                24 June 2021 13: 35
                Dima, thank you for your kind words. I'm not upset. I'm used to it in life.
                1. +4
                  24 June 2021 14: 09
                  Having written a comment about Indian shamans, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, thanks to you, remembered the following thing: somewhere in the 1990s, when many new things began to appear on TV, there was a series "Shamans of Paraguay". But maybe Shamans of Patagonia. Although, of course, they are not the same thing, but close. hi
                  1. +5
                    24 June 2021 15: 03
                    You reminded me of those monstrous years ...
                    I had no time for serials. And generally to the TV. And when it got better at the end, I got carried away with cassette films in the evenings and racing on the computer. So it passed me by. It is good that now the Jesuits have not passed. I’ll take up their ideology in Paraguay. But this is closer to evening, maybe the heat will subside. For ideology always strains excessively, and most importantly - what is the fault of the Jesuits? Are you in a hurry? City of the Sun at the wrong time, although the place is right - maybe it? All advanced technologies are dying, because they require the same powerful mind as those of their creators. Including ideological. And those who are able to have such a mind from the strength of 5. They say that when 10 are able to strain, the idea takes possession of the masses, but 5 remain unchanged, and 10 are not able to strain forever, their fatigue repels new 10, do not come, and the idea dies. Disperses in circles on the water from the thrown stone. And only a legend.
                    1. +4
                      24 June 2021 15: 41
                      As far as I noticed, a respected author publishes a series of articles, developing the topic. I don't want to sound impolite, but it’s very interesting if the topic will last until today? I apologize if everyone knows this except me.
                      1. VLR
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                        24 June 2021 16: 11
                        If we talk about religious orders, I had articles about Dominica and the Albigensian Wars (Not peace, but a sword) and Francis (A man is not of the world), as well as about the Inquisition, Wedic processes, and a cycle about Torquemada. There were also three most famous orders of knighthood. I'm not going to continue yet. I think the next one will be an article about the real, but "wrong" (from the point of view of liberals and BLM) hero - Cecil Rhodes. True, but rather daring, at the present time.
                      2. +3
                        24 June 2021 16: 33
                        Thank you very much for your answer. I will think it over. hi 0
                      3. +4
                        24 June 2021 20: 46
                        Guarani against Bandeirants

                        In 1637 the Jesuit Montoya sailed to Spain. There he described in paints the Paulist attacks to the king and his entourage and obtained permission to purchase firearms.
                        The most authoritative leader of the Bandeirans, Don Pascoale Pais, was the first to be "handed out".
                        He was counting on another batch of slaves when he ran into Indians and Jesuits armed with guns. At the beginning of the battle, the Jesuit commander, Father Alfaro, was killed by a well-aimed bandeirant's shot in the right eye. The Indians, enraged, made a dash in the center and arranged a meat grinder. The case was completed by the shot of the Jesuit Domingo Torres, who seriously wounded Pais. Seventeen captured Bandeyrants in an iron cage were transported to Asuncion, where they were put in jail.
                        Then, in September 1640, 3500 people of excellently armed Bandeirans under the leadership of Manuel Perez and Geronimo Pedroso de Barros set out on a punitive expedition to Paraguay to avenge Pais. Having learned about the expedition, the Jesuits did not waste time, and by January 1641 they had concentrated 4200 armed Guarani in reductions. The new army was different from the militias of 1628-1629. Jesuits-veterans of the war in Flanders were sent to protect the reductions; they trained the Indians well. The Governor of Paraguay sent 300 muskets and an arquebus.
                        The Jesuits even managed to get a cannon somewhere and built a real trebuchet!
                        In addition, “cannons” were built from the local analogue of bamboo, the tucuar, which spewed a column of flame, stones and everything that could burn for several meters.
                        On February 1641, 1641, Jesuit scouts discovered the Bandeirans. It was decided to catch the Portuguese off guard. On March XNUMX, XNUMX, at Mborore, the Guaraní canoes managed to covertly approach the Portuguese canoes within shot range. Thanks to this, the Portuguese vanguard was literally shot at point-blank range - eight canoes immediately sank.
                        Fortune smiled at Guarani. Commander Bandeiro de Barros ordered to land and take refuge in the village of Aracagua. The Indians responded to the palisade erected by the Europeans with their own - the lessons of the veterans of Flanders were not in vain. The encircled Portuguese immediately began to fire from an unattainable distance for them. On March 1641, after four days of siege, the Bandeirants managed to break through to the river - where two thousand Guaraní were waiting with open arms. The Portuguese rushed back to the fortifications, which was only in the hands of the Indians - not everyone reached Aracagua. Most stayed down to earth forever. Only a few people made it to Sao Paulo. At the end of 150, another expedition was sent, several times smaller in number. Having absorbed several hundred deserters of Bandeira de Barros, the Paulist detachment next to the Chapeco stream ran into the Guarani detachment of Altamirano's father and the leader Abiaro. In a fleeting battle, the Guarani, of whom there were a little more than XNUMX fighters, defeated the Bandeirans. Apparently, the panic among the deserters and the suddenness of the battle affected.
                        After the defeat of 1641, the Portuguese hesitated for ten years to attack the Jesuit missions in Paraguay. The Bandeirant raids to the south were ended. Impressed by the success of the Guaraní militia, the Spanish crown made them the basis of colonial power in the region.
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                    2. +5
                      24 June 2021 15: 47
                      ........ what is the Jesuit puncture .....
                      Is there a puncture, Lyudmila Yakovlevna? It is a secret society with vast experience and knowledge. What everyone knows is the visible part of the iceberg. Everything else is hidden.
                      1. +4
                        24 June 2021 15: 51
                        ....... the heat will subside .....
                        there was a short rain at night. And in the morning too, and again, look ...
                        What a joy it is to look at the dark blue, low sky! Or rather even a dark purple light. Just a pleasure.
  7. +3
    24 June 2021 08: 33
    Good morning. Colleagues, today is the feast day: Valery with excellent material and Vyacheslav Olegovich with ancient Egypt. After three days of emptiness, this is a "royal feast"
    But we are afraid that tomorrow and the day after tomorrow there will be delirium
  8. +6
    24 June 2021 08: 45
    The dwellings of the Indians seemed to the Jesuits, accustomed to the magnificent and often majestic buildings of Europe, squalid huts, which they really were - huts, quite appropriate for themselves, taking into account the level of development of their inhabitants, as well as natural conditions.
    Here is how one of the early Jesuit missionaries describes the Guaraní home:
    “Their dwellings were wretched huts in the woods and made of twigs of trees and bamboo, randomly gathered together. The entrance was so small that it was possible to get there only by crawling. they can protect themselves from flies, ants and other insects ... as well as shelter from enemy arrows and javelins. "
  9. +8
    24 June 2021 10: 21
    The religious component of the Guaraní life before the arrival of the Jesuits seems to be extremely interesting.

    The attention of the conquistadors and colonists was immediately attracted by the fact that the Guaraní had no temples, no idols, no images that the Indians would worship, no religious centers. The Spaniards initially concluded that the Guarani were a people who had no religious beliefs at all. In fact, it was not like that. The Guarani were so deeply religious that they did not need temples or man-made idols. The early Jesuit missionaries Manuel de Ortega and Thomas Fields quickly realized that the Guarani were "close to knowing the Kingdom of God" and were monotheists. Ьянanderuguasú is "our great father", Nyamandú is "the first, source and beginning", Nandejára is "our lord".
    The above are the names of one deity who, according to the Guarani beliefs, was invisible, eternal, omnipresent and omnipotent. And so that a person could turn to him, a deity, his spiritual essence was embodied in a specific form of Tupa. Translated from Guarani, this form means "thunder". Tupa formed a certain set, manifested in a variety of natural and cosmic phenomena, but did not take a frozen form. Nyamandy was considered by the Guaraní themselves not only their god, but also the god and father of all people.
    It follows that the religious specificity and albeit primitive, but semi-sedentary way of life, which distinguishes the Guaraní from other tribes of the area, largely explains the success of the Jesuits in the Christianization of this people.
    Guarani's faith in the One Father of all that exists, as it were, prepared them in advance for the relatively easy adoption of Christianity.
    1. +8
      24 June 2021 10: 47
      ...... Stupid. ....
      In scientific circles, there is an opinion that the name Tupa comes from the names of the Great Incas --- Tupac Amaru, Tupac Yupanqui, etc. In any case, the Incas also had ideas-heralds of monotheism.
      And about the Jesuits. Pope Francis 1 --- the first Pope from Latin America, the 5th child in a working class family, was able to make such a career. That is, social elevators worked for the Jesuits!
  10. +5
    24 June 2021 10: 51
    Valery! Thanks for the interesting material. As usual, very informative! Indeed, we subconsciously perceive the term "Jesuit" extremely negatively. But, as often happens in history, not everything is unambiguous, and only black and white colors are not always enough ...
    1. +2
      24 June 2021 11: 40
      "black and white colors are not always enough" this greatly simplifies perception, and it attracts. Said "izuit" and it's clear to everyone - a bastard
      1. +4
        24 June 2021 16: 11
        Said "izuit" and it's clear to everyone - a bastard
        Are you talking about Bohdan Khmelnitsky, for example? By the way, he graduated from a Jesuit college. smile
        1. 0
          24 June 2021 20: 40
          Colleague Konovalenko, you know very well that I continued the thought of my colleague iskanderzp.
          To be honest, I don't know the biography of Khmelnitsky at all
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 07: 47
            Dear colleague, I wrote a note. smile love hi
  11. +6
    24 June 2021 11: 15
    In fact, attempts to Christianize the Indians, including the Guaraní, were also made by the secular Spanish authorities. And here interesting details come to light.
    Both secular and ecclesiastical authorities understood that the Christianization of the Indians is possible only if they are collected in stationary settlements that exclude a wandering lifestyle.
    By the beginning of the events, the former governor of Asuncion, a completely progressive official Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca, wanted not only to help the cause of evangelism of the local population, but also to protect the Guaraní from the oppression that the Spaniards quite often allowed themselves against the Indians. Women especially suffered. According to eyewitnesses, the Guaraní women were distinguished by their extraordinary beauty, and wealthy Spaniards created whole harems of Indian women in their homes, which not only sharply contradicted the Christian doctrine, but also undermined the confidence of the Indians in the secular authorities. The atypically humane attitude of Cabeza de Vaca towards the Indians caused the general discontent of the colonialists and further served as the reason for his resignation. For a long time, attempts to Christianize the Guaraní ceased. Itinerant preachers were not successful. The remaining wandering Guarani listened to them, nodded their heads, agreed, and when the preacher left, they immediately forgot everything - why new, if it is the same as the old? They needed buns in the form of a stationary settlement, protection from enemies, a stable way of feeding and, most importantly, the presence of a permanent confessor. What de Vaca wanted to give them, but the Jesuits gave them.
    1. +6
      24 June 2021 12: 34
      ...... guarani ........

      In Paraguay, the situation is unique for Latin America and for Indian languages. The Macro-Guarani (ie Indian) language is spoken ... entirely by mestizos! After all, the purebred Indians were all destroyed at Stroessner.
      And in some other Latin American countries (but not in all), whites learned the Indian dialects, and not vice versa.
      And the Paraguayans often call themselves the Guarani!
      1. +6
        24 June 2021 13: 31
        And so it was. The prominent organizer and preacher, Luis de Balagnos, mentioned in the article, used Creole preachers as assistants. This was more convincing for the Guarani. Subsequently, a part of the Holy Scripture, translated into the Guarani language, received the name "Catechism of Balagnos" and was actively used by the Jesuits.
        But not everything was so smooth with the Jesuits.
        Not only during the attack on the settlements, but also during epidemics, and there were epidemics, part of the Guaraní fled to their relatives, into the forests. Someone returning back to the settlements, either on their own or under the influence of Creole preachers, but there were also defectors. They were greatly influenced by shamans. There were no idols, there were no sacred places, but shamans were and competed with the Christian Church in their authority.
        1. +6
          24 June 2021 13: 53
          ...... shamans .......... competed for their authority with the Christian church. .....

          Quite right, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Shamans are not only sorcerers (although they are too). Only they owned the calendar, which means they determined the rhythm of life for both hunters and farmers - the whole society! They were also doctors, midwives, psychologists, scientists, astronomers, geneticists ...
          Now I'm reading "Smiling Guatemala" by Norbert Fried. There, in churches, small statuettes of Indianized Catholic saints are kept, each has a sacred animal at his feet (according to Indian tradition), and even witchcraft masks !!! As I saw this, the author's face stretched out. And the father said, like, if you don't do THIS, don't invite sorcerers to the church, then the flock will scatter.
          And when the last expert on the calendar died in one Lacandon tribe, the whole tribe turned to the pale-faced, with a request to teach them the Gregoran calendar, so that the tribe would not die out! Like this.
          In general, this book is old, 1958. My grandfather loved her very much. Yours faithfully! love
          1. +4
            24 June 2021 14: 19
            Dima, here's the information I didn't know about)))
            But they would have died out without a calendar! When to sow, when to reap ...
            1. +4
              24 June 2021 15: 12
              ...... when to sow, when to harvest .......

              In general, the Lacandones are descendants of some states of the classical Maya, which fell into decay as early as the XNUMXth century AD, that is, long before Cortes, as a result of the invasion of the Toltecs, Mishtecs and Zapotecs. Other tribes retained their will to live, migrated to the Northern Yucatan (although their language changed at the same time). And these are not. And the Spaniards finished the job.
              So, one of the Lacandon communities, having lost calendar knowledge in the face of the last shaman, tried to survive on their own, sowed, but missed the harvest time, and the rainy season turned the harvest into food for rodents, insects and worms. The next year, something similar. And when the tribe decided to buy seeds from the pale-faced, they decided to accept whatever calendar they were offered! This is the case
          2. +3
            24 June 2021 14: 53
            Dmitry, I haven't seen you on the site for a long time. "Smiling Guatemala" will have to look on the net.
            1. +4
              24 June 2021 14: 58
              Today is my first real day off! Probably drinks good
    2. +4
      24 June 2021 14: 59
      "served as the reason for his resignation" it is natural that the "black sheep" was pecked
  12. +2
    24 June 2021 11: 33
    The word "bindayrant" is very consonant with ours: bandit. It is noteworthy that they acted in the same way.
    Valery, what does this word mean?
    1. VLR
      +3
      24 June 2021 11: 50
      Bandeira - translated from Portuguese, "banner": in this case, a detachment that has its own banner.
      By the way, the surname (more precisely, the pseudonym is the mother's surname) of the famous actor Antonio Banderas also comes from this root.
      1. 0
        24 June 2021 20: 41
        F Thank you. I'll know
    2. +1
      24 June 2021 11: 55
      Quote: Astra wild2
      The word "bindayrant" is very consonant with ours: bandit. It is noteworthy that they acted in the same way.
      Valery, what does this word mean?

      "Bandeira", translated from Portuguese means "flag", respectively "bandeirantes" - "standard bearers". On VO there was an article about them. hi
      https://topwar.ru/96813-kogda-kontinenty-byli-bolshimi-bandeyranty.html
      1. +3
        24 June 2021 12: 36
        "Bandeirantes" - "standard bearers"


        In Brazil, a model aircraft was named after them.
        1. +3
          24 June 2021 18: 24
          They also released licensed Toyota under this name.
          1. +4
            24 June 2021 18: 49


            Good day! In Brazil, the pioneer bandeirantes are highly respected - after all, it was thanks to them that the territories inland became Brazilian. Something like the conquerors of the Wild West.
            Memorial in their honor in Sao Paulo. Previously, the local leftists watered it with red paint, and now, after BLM, some fool Demand to demolish it.
            1. +3
              24 June 2021 19: 41
              Good evening, Alex! hi
              Forgive my dullness, but what does BLM mean? I can't get it right. request
              1. +5
                24 June 2021 19: 45
                what does BLM mean?
                The funeral of a black drug addict (J. Floyd) who was mortally offended by the police in the United States, followed by worldwide protests for the rights of the offended, oppressed and other offended.
                1. +3
                  24 June 2021 20: 05
                  Insanity grew stronger all over the world ... belay
                  1. +2
                    24 June 2021 20: 07
                    Although it did not reach Russia, although in St. Petersburg non-students attacked passers-by as sixteen (Komsomolskaya Pravda wrote).
                    1. +3
                      24 June 2021 20: 12
                      I am not aware of this story, you need to ask our Petersburgers, but somehow it seems to me that these negatives received gingerbread both from passers-by and from mentors. We're all fifth generation racists here. laughing
                      1. +2
                        24 June 2021 20: 23
                        I remember discussing this news here in the winter.
                        We're all fifth generation racists here.
                        https://medialeaks.ru/1802dalex_africa/
                      2. +3
                        24 June 2021 21: 31
                        I either drove by or simply forgot. request
                    2. +1
                      24 June 2021 20: 53
                      It's true? If so then .. their heads are not all right. This is not New York for them. And demolishing the monument in Sao Paulo is unlikely.
                      1. +1
                        24 June 2021 20: 58
                        This is not New York for them.
                        So far, you have few of them. Expand the diaspora, settle down, and the Tajiks from the mountains will seem like dignified intellectuals to you Yes
                    3. +1
                      25 June 2021 15: 03
                      Even to Russia

                      Security Council Secretary Patrushev (yesterday in the news) said: "All Live Masters")) All lives matter))
      2. 0
        24 June 2021 20: 47
        I don’t remember reading it. As it turned out, I didn't read a lot. In the first "life" at first it was unlocked in the News section. Then she moved to History, and followed Vyacheslav Olegovich and registered in "Armament"
  13. +5
    24 June 2021 11: 52
    Valery, thanks. hi
    For me, all this was somewhat unexpected, because what I knew about the Jesuits: bonfires, torture, the persecution of non-traditional thinking people. Therefore, the creation and existence of a real stable state under their leadership was a revelation for me. And even if it, this state existed for a relatively short time, it was and left its mark on history.
    Thanks again. smile
    1. +7
      24 June 2021 14: 49
      Kostya, hello. Himself in this position: if a Jesuit then it means a big byaka.
      However, judging by the historical novels, not everything is clear. Do you remember Aramis became a general of the Jesuit Order? However, he was always a bit muddy and it would not be possible to appreciate the Jesuits. And Benzoni "Marianna" is Marianne's godmother a decent man and also a general of the Jesuit Order
      1. +4
        24 June 2021 14: 59
        Hello, Glory. hi
        It is difficult to judge by fiction, the same goats-musketeers were brought out by Dumas as heroes, but in fact ... And as for the Jesuits, they have a lot of things behind them, as, incidentally, for the church itself.
        1. VLR
          +7
          24 June 2021 16: 16
          Here in this picture, most likely, the Dominicans. Since the time of the Albigensian wars, they have traditionally been included in the inquisition tribunals. Here they are specifically looking for "devil's marks" on the body of the alleged witch.
          1. +6
            24 June 2021 17: 20
            They really were legless.
            Missionaries are one thing - they are "ascetics": they climbed the hell into hell. Another thing is that the tribunals were hanging around
            1. +1
              24 June 2021 21: 05
              I will continue your thought: in the Second World War there were special officers, let's say, dark people, there were SMERSH, they really "plowed". Everyone who read or watched: "In August _44th" will agree with me
              1. 0
                24 June 2021 21: 23
                "In August _44th"

                The book is wonderful, but it is better not to watch a movie, the complete mediocrity of the director and cameraman.
                1. +3
                  24 June 2021 21: 48
                  Filming began in the late 80s, while Bogomolov was still alive, he rejected the work. Filmed after his death. It turned out so-so, if you don't read the book first, then the video sequence is generally incomprehensible. For example, in the scene where Alekhin is pumping Mishchenko, a voiceover was needed, but it is not. And so on.
                  1. +1
                    24 June 2021 21: 53
                    Precisely, Bogomolov even forbade mentioning his name in the credits.
                    1. +1
                      25 June 2021 06: 55
                      The aviator, Konstantin, heard somewhere: there was also an adaptation of this book. Probably an unfinished film?
                      1. -1
                        25 June 2021 10: 54
                        Heard nothing about it.
                      2. +2
                        25 June 2021 19: 30
                        Hello friends!
                        Arrived after "Kovidov's showdown". And now immediately. Yes! There was an attempt to make a film based on the novel by Bogomolov in 75th year.

                        And about Blinov, not everyone looks like a super soldier. wink , especially in the novel he is shown as a very intelligent boy.

                        And yesterday I watched the Chronicle of a Dive Bomber with pleasure. The guys there are also quite intelligent looking, which did not prevent them from being heroes in essence.
                        Sorry if I'm wrong, but that's how I see it.
                      3. +2
                        25 June 2021 19: 54
                        Hi, Seryozha. smile
                        It is a pity that it was not possible to shoot with Zhalakyavichus, a talented director, all his films are miraculous, and "Nobody Wanted to Die" is just a masterpiece. I wonder why it was not possible to bring the matter to the end?

                        Yes, the intelligence of this utyrka is so rushing, I'm sorry, there are, of course, faces and more intelligent than this one, but ... To hell with him, the film is still unsuccessful, no matter who plays it.

                        PS And what have you got for the "Kovidov showdown", are you forced to be vaccinated?
                      4. +2
                        25 June 2021 20: 05
                        Hi Konstantin!
                        It’s a pity that it didn’t work out. But there was a "showdown" between the director and the author. Heavy character!
                        "Covid"? Yes, everything is hard, "up to the suspension." There is no one to work, they pay pennies, so also this crap. In general, it's rubbish. And the showdown was with one local idiot with a nickname from "The Lord of the Rings", " Smaug "- like? Lizard imagining herself a dragon. Inadequate, in short.
                      5. +2
                        25 June 2021 20: 15
                        Inadequate, in short.

                        This stuff is full here, I am amused from the bottom of my heart. laughing Why did they take it apart?
                      6. +2
                        26 June 2021 05: 12
                        Oh! The topic was a topical vaccine!
                      7. +1
                        26 June 2021 07: 41
                        We do not discuss this topic: they went, got vaccinated, received a certificate and forgot. We didn't even go to find out about antibodies. smile
                      8. +3
                        26 June 2021 09: 26
                        Good morning Konstantin!
                        I respect everyone's choice, it's just that this chela's vaccine probably hit the brain - the pearl's aggression is inexplicable. And I'm at work today. wink
                        Good luck! There will be time, I will look, there is an interesting article V.O .. bully
                      9. +1
                        26 June 2021 09: 37
                        Hello, Sergey! Good luck to you too! smile
                  2. +2
                    25 June 2021 06: 48
                    Indeed, there was a lack of offscreen text.
                2. +3
                  25 June 2021 08: 31
                  Kostya, actually an interesting topic turns out: if an interesting book, then the film adaptation is not always successful. Here you need: a) a good director, not a hack; b) a good screenwriter, so as not to spoil the plot; c) good actors.
                  It is difficult to connect all three syllables.
                  It often happens to me: if the film is good, then the book reads worse.
                  I remember how crushed I was when, after the movie "Seventeen Moments of Spring", I began to read the book. If I found it, my mother begged someone for a few days, began to read and there was such a disappointment. And the film "Knight's Castle", after the film the book is no longer read
                  1. +3
                    25 June 2021 10: 58
                    I had this in my childhood, I watched the movie "The Secret of Two Oceans" and was delighted. I decided to read the book and hardly mastered it - boredom.
                    1. +2
                      25 June 2021 11: 54
                      I agree with you: the film is good. Thank God, not a boy, changed his seventh decade, but in March, I wanted to remember my childhood and willingly reviewed it
                3. +1
                  25 June 2021 15: 05
                  The book is wonderful, but it is better not to watch a movie, the complete mediocrity of the director and cameraman.

                  Hallelujah! Finally, Konstantin you agreed with me)) I told you that the non-traditionalist (under suspicion) Mironov cannot play the captain of SMERSH.
                  1. +3
                    25 June 2021 15: 09
                    Why finally? smile
                    There is even more nightmarish trick, who was taken on the role of Blinov, well, such a front-line soldier is straightforward that a German, seeing him, scatters a mile away. (also under suspicion) laughing
                    1. +1
                      25 June 2021 15: 20
                      Why finally?

                      I remember how you "admired" Mironov as Alekhine))
                      And the one with what hangover "under suspicion"? Like the ex-husband of Ksenia Rappoport?
                      1. +4
                        25 June 2021 15: 30
                        Mironov, whoever he is, is a talented actor, I saw him in the role of Prince Myshkin, but "utyrok", I don't know his face is like that, or something ...
                      2. +1
                        25 June 2021 22: 02
                        I realized that he is "not like that" ....)))
                      3. +1
                        25 June 2021 22: 04
                        And for Myshkin - I watched an old film, where Yakovlev played the role of Myshkin. That movie is more to my liking.
                      4. +2
                        26 June 2021 07: 39
                        Well, Yakovlev is generally an actor for any role and for all times. smile
              2. +2
                25 June 2021 15: 13
                Dear Vera, this is again a cliché that was born ... as about the Jesuits. They also "plowed". I remember that at VO there was a discussion of the National Guard and the Explosives. Everyone wrote so tearfully about the explosives, with the exception of the escort units. It became a shame, I served there for a term. The retreat from Rostov-on-Don to the Second World War, the last to leave was the convoy regiment, which stood to its death.
                1. +1
                  25 June 2021 17: 34
                  Colleague Okolotochny, I did not say anything about the escort unit. If you do not equate: escort-special officer.
                  As I know from history, literature and films, the so-called "escort regiments" were part of the NKVD troops.
                  The NKVD included: police, escort units, firefighters, registry offices, investigators.
                  I am not a naive fool and not a patriotic hamster. There were decent people among the NKVD, but there was also a lot of filth. Type: Frinovsky, Leushkov and petty sadists - executioners. As a child, I knew this. He was considered a veteran of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but someone said that he was the executioners in the NKVD, possibly someone from the police. No one spoke to him, and the children, behind him, moaned. In the evenings, under his windows, they meowed, beat the iron with hammers, and the older girls cried and moaned.
                  1. +1
                    25 June 2021 22: 01
                    Vera, the NKVD just cited as an example, so as not to put the cliché "Osobist"))
        2. +1
          24 June 2021 20: 59
          Good evening, I disagree with your conclusion about the musketeers. More precisely, I do not completely agree. I still like: Athos, the naive big man Porthos, and d, Artagnan? Mixed feelings
          1. +7
            24 June 2021 21: 29
            Nice guys: Athos is an alcoholic, Porthos is a dude and a glutton, Aramis is a lecherous saint, there is nothing to say about D, Artanyan, a little bit of everything from three senior "comrades". And all four helped the adulteress queen, acting against the wisest ruler of that era, and ultimately against their own country. Nothing to say, nice guys and decent citizens. laughing
            1. +8
              24 June 2021 22: 24
              As someone successfully joked: "A sign of growing up, when in" The Three Musketeers "you start to empathize with Cardinal Richelieu.))) A really great man who" blinded "France proper from pieces. But the writing genius of Dumas turned everything upside down, his (and his associates) villains ...
              1. +4
                25 June 2021 06: 42
                Indeed, we are worried about the wrong ones. All reproaches to Alexandre Dumas
            2. +3
              25 June 2021 08: 48
              ..... about D, Artanyan, there is nothing to say ...

              Really! What did D'Artagnan sing there after the death of Constance?
              I killed, but I did not see death!
              Stabbing --- stabbing, but did you really hate it?

              It's one thing when you kill and exterminate hated enemies, and if without hatred, what is this? Everyone in a row, whom you meet first! Indeed, it is impossible to find a virtuous Basque! (Pashtun, Sicilian). The devout --- perhaps the virtuous --- is not.
          2. +2
            24 June 2021 21: 52
            Dear Astra, Dumas wrote a wonderful adventurous work, brought out a number of characters. And of the films, in my opinion, ours, the director Khilkevich with Boyarsky, Smirnitsky, Starygin and Smekhov, was the most successful - he is ironic, everything is not serious, as in an operetta.
            1. +2
              24 June 2021 22: 32
              Perhaps foreigners would disagree with you. But for us, those who grew up on this film and recklessly broke wooden swords in honor of the "beautiful ladies", bawling "let's be glad," the Soviet film adaptation is definitely the best. At one time, even during the Soviet Union, I got to a creative meeting with Starygin. Inquired about performing tricks. As it turned out, almost all the actors performed themselves. Once someone from the direction read that the musketeers' stirrups were allegedly not in use. After a day of shooting without stirrups, as Igor recalled with a laugh, everyone had a real "musketeer" gait. As a result, the stirrups were returned the next day.)))
              1. +2
                25 June 2021 07: 53
                Perhaps foreigners would disagree with you.

                And to hell with them, I'm talking about my perception of the work. It is the irony that gives the film its charm. Just what is the "Marlezon ballet", or the reprimand of the king (cat Matroskin) to the musketeers: "and no duels! Remember - no duels today!" Does Dumas have it in the primary source?
  14. +4
    24 June 2021 12: 19
    There was only one question - if there were no front doors in the houses, how did you get there?
    1. VLR
      +4
      24 June 2021 12: 25
      There were simply no doors - no "entrance" or "exit".
  15. +3
    24 June 2021 14: 36
    "against the Jesuits came the Dominican Melchior Cano" I wonder how then the Pope looked at the Jesuits? If they were in favor, then it required a certain courage, and if not. These will be petty squabbles.
    Valery, what was the hierarchy of these orders? I remember at Dumas: Aramis became a general of the Jesuit Order. At that time, a great position
    1. VLR
      +8
      24 June 2021 16: 26
      Society of Jesus (Jesuits) are
      the order of statutory canons and statutory clerics (these also include the Augustinians and Dominicans). There are also mendicant orders (Franciscans, Carmelites) and orders of statutory monks (Benedictines, Antonians, Clunians, Cistercians).
      The peculiarity of the Society of Jesus: along with the 3 traditional vows (poverty, obedience and chastity), its members give the 4th - obedience to the Pope "in matters of missions." That is, where dad sends, they will go there without any further ado. "Church Special Forces".
      In terms of influence, the Society of Jesus is currently the second largest monastic order, behind the Franciscans.
      1. +2
        24 June 2021 16: 37
        Then it is understandable why the Dominican "drove over": the special forces are nowhere and no one likes. Here and elementary envy: all the same, special forces were relied on and now are entitled to various buns: salary, clothing, weapons. Fear, if "a stigma in the gun"
        1. VLR
          +5
          24 June 2021 16: 52
          At the present time, by the way, there are 19 monastic orders! The majority are little-known and few in number, for example, the Gilbentines, Basilians, Barnabis, Jeronimites, Alexians, etc. Alexian, according to the latest data, for example, there were 124, minims - 183. Against this background, there are about 30 thousand Franciscans, over 15 thousand Jesuits, almost 7 thousand Benedictines and almost 6 thousand Dominicans, about 5 thousand Augustinians - a lot.
      2. +1
        24 June 2021 16: 43
        Do I know about the Benedictines, Cluny? Have not even heard of them.
        Valery, can you prepare material on the history of these orders?
        1. VLR
          +7
          24 June 2021 17: 03
          The Clunyans are a stricter branch of the Benedictines, who demanded the independence of the monasteries and condemned simony. It was the Clunyans who made the commemoration of the dead an important part of the liturgical cycle.
          Well, and the material on the history of various little-known monastic orders, which, unlike the same Dominicans or Jesuits, did not have a significant impact on "big history" is very narrow and specific. I'm not sure that many will be interested.
          1. +3
            24 June 2021 20: 24
            Thank you. Great article. I read it in one breath. I learned a lot of new and interesting things good
      3. +1
        25 June 2021 08: 39
        ...... there are more ......... orders .......

        And then there's --- Gregorians! Very musical. Sometimes I listen on DVD and online. Great! hi
  16. +3
    24 June 2021 15: 19
    "the most valiant and stylish enemies" exactly the same: "who will kill him without salt and without onions. He will be strong, courageous like Cook" (c)
  17. +5
    24 June 2021 17: 32
    Valery thank you very much! An absolutely unknown story to me.
    Also thanks to colleagues for interesting comments.
  18. +3
    25 June 2021 15: 37
    The 1986 film, Mission, seems to be about those Jesuits. Starring Jeremy Irons and Robert De Niro.