Crusade against China. Ultimatum of Russia

Photo: Official White House Photo by David Lienemann

Moscow needs to make a choice with whom it is. If with China, the response from the West (US and EU) will be tough. Obviously, almost the entire Russian elite will have to forget about their stash and "reserve airfields" in the West. If the Russian Federation is with the United States, then it will have to play by the rules of Washington and actively oppose the Celestial Empire. Russia is seen as a Eurasian buffer of the West for Chinese expansion. It is possible that they will again become "cannon fodder" of the West, since the Westerners have long forgotten how to fight with a really strong enemy.

Systemic crisis and war

The systemic crisis of humanity, the West and capitalism has dragged on. The main, traditional way of resolving it is a big war. This was the case during the First, Second and Third World Wars (the third ended with the surrender and collapse of the USSR). The fourth world, in the presence of powerful arsenals of missile and nuclear weapons, became hybrid, irregular. It is also worth noting the old age of representatives of the elites of the leading countries. They are accustomed to stability, peace, and with all their might they postpone the inevitable. Local exacerbations are not gaining strategic scope, no one wants to fight on a large scale.

For example, Israel was expected to crush the Palestinians in May 2021, which should have caused a serious response from the Arab, Muslim world and the direct intervention of Iran. Which brought the Middle East front, opened in 2013, to a new level. However, Prime Minister B. Netanyahu again showed caution and retreated. And his era is over. Time is running out, you need to act. The new head of the Israeli government, "hawk" N. Benet, with a new provocation by Islamic radicals, which will not be long in coming, will launch a decisive offensive. Will try to implement the "Greater Israel" project. It is possible that the Jewish state will not survive this war.

West gets the enemy

Other "fronts" are Operation Virus, cyber terrorism, and the West's "crusade" against China.

The fact is that globalists are behind Biden. Trump proposed a different global agenda: the United States went into "brilliant isolation", concentrated forces and means to jump into a new technological structure. Europe was asked to take care of itself. The world was given the opportunity to become "multipolar". Biden - revenge of the globalists, B. Obama's agenda. The fact is that under Xi Jinping, the Celestial Empire began to go beyond the framework of the globalist project, where China was included. First, the United States supported China against the USSR, then turned it into a world factory. The West cleared its territory from production for a post-industrial economy. At the same time, the West was one or two steps ahead of China and other developing countries of Southeast Asia, etc. Remaining at the center of technology and setting standards.

However, after the 2008 crisis in China, nationally oriented cadres prevailed over the local supporters of globalization (Chinese globalists-Trotskyists, liberals). In some respects, this struggle is similar to the confrontation between Stalin and his supporters against the internationalist Trotskyists in the 30s. The intra-Chinese elite struggle is still ongoing, but the nationalists clearly dominate. Xi Jinping is likely to receive a new term in 2023. This is unacceptable for the globalist elite, which has now won in the United States. The Chinese world factory should operate within the framework of their project.

Thus, NATO gets an adversary.

The G-10 makes statements hostile to Beijing on Taiwan and Xinjiang. On the way, the accusation of the beginning of the epidemic and the demand for indemnity - $ 2021 trillion in compensation for the damage to the world economy. The American agenda is becoming anti-Chinese. In May XNUMX, a bill was introduced to the US Congress to ensure American global leadership and counter "challenges from China." Washington says it is reviewing its China policy. The tightening is associated with Beijing's policy towards Australia, Taiwan, India (border conflict), etc.

At the end of May, Biden called on the secret services to resolve the issue of the origin of the coronavirus, including the version about the leak of the virus from a laboratory in Wuhan. It is proposed to resolve the issue within 90 days. That is, an ultimatum was presented to Beijing for a period of 90 days, until the end of August. On June 11, the G-XNUMX called for a new investigation into the origins of the virus and raised concerns about China. If the Celestial Empire does not agree to enter the "brave new world" on the terms of Washington (globalists), then the United States will officially blame Beijing for a pandemic. This is the organization of a "crusade" against the Celestial Empire. It is clear that China will not yield. There will be no more options - war. Perhaps not hot at first, hybrid. Political and economic pressure, border conflicts - Japan, India, Taiwan, etc. An attempt to shake the situation inside the Celestial Empire - Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong.

Russia

In such a scenario, the role of Russia is sharply increasing. The West needs to get Russians into its camp as natural-born warriors. In addition, a possible alliance between Russia and China (Russia's turn to the East is inevitable) creates a global alternative to the Western project of the "brave new world". It is necessary to tear Russia away from China.

Russia was also presented with an ultimatum at the D. Biden-V.V. Putin meeting. The term is six months. Either Russia and the West are against China, or a further and sharp deterioration in relations with the US and the EU.

What does America have to offer?

Crimea will never be recognized as a Russian. Ukraine will not be given back. Pressure on Belarus will continue. The expansion of Turkey (the Great Turan project) in the sphere of influence of Russia will continue.

In general, it is useless to negotiate with America. The long-term goal of the West is to eliminate historical Russia, the Russian people. It doesn't matter who is in power - tsars, general secretaries or presidents. The only way out is nationalization, russification of the elite. End of the era of Westernization. We need a conversation with China, we need to coordinate our positions, work out a common geopolitical line. Determine the price of an alliance with Russia: assistance in new industrialization, the creation of new infrastructure, cities, roads, communications, software, etc. Present your global project to the planet based on social justice, the co-prosperity of peoples.

Comments

[Bar1]

there is EVERYTHING in Russia and we do not need anyone. The only thing we need is computerization. Why is this government not concerned about this problem. If Russia makes its own computer / computer, then neither the West nor China resisted us, you can calmly engage in space to grow bread -for yourself and plant trees.

[Bar1]

how exactly 15 - for and 15 - on the contrary, is this such a policy among top officials?

[NIKN]

Moscow needs to make a choice with whom it is.

This is serious? In any case, Russia should be for Russia, but here everything looks like a 6a pun

[Kwas]

Quote: Bar1

The only thing we need is computerization.

We need a lot more. Only this and many other things cannot be bought. Copy and produce starting from machine tools. And deeply do not care that they will be banned (and they will definitely be banned!). Just prepare first. I hope we have prepared a little.

[boni592807]

The conclusion, alas, is simple. And it should have been done back in the mid-80s. One of the first US strategies of that time on a given topic - "The Strategy of Global Supremacy". The timing was clear even to the cadets who learned about the presence of this opus. Everything was going well in VO and VT, technology. Those who want to laugh about IT, compare our current "no analogues", where IT comes from and what we and the zashtatniks had. About SOI, not even funny, the show-off multiplied by the organized drain of the de-za and "our" handlers ... But, Gorby - accelerated, deepened and ... with a pelvis. Now the situation, as in 10 years before the Second World War (WW2), noh there is a guy with a mustache and a pipe(... We must run the path for 10 years, which the west has passed in a century ... otherwise they will be snatched) и hard industrialization. We are already ready "YESTERDAY". This is not a reason to panic, but time ...a problemm sea. Especially with indigenous: who will copy, who will bring it into metal, who will commission it, who will work with the technique? Iron, without a person - metal scrap. And the guests with a high probability, and not only (withm. project - Big Turan), this is a ready-made, settled down, secured and "everything is captured" "Brandenburg-800"... And there other columns are being pulled up by the 5th and 6th. Everything will be OK, PREPARE(tohe writes under this nickname on Zen)!
For the rest, it's time to include - From a speech in the English House of Commons (March 1, 1858) by the Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister (1855-1858; 1859-1865) of Great Britain, Viscount Henry John Temple Palmerstoia (1784-1865). He delivered this speech during a parliamentary debate on British foreign policy. We do not have eternal allies and we do not have constant enemies; our interests are eternal and permanent. Our duty is to protect these interests.
Good luck.

[boni592807]

THANKS to the author! Briefly, simply, clearly. Respectfully, ....

[knn54]

The author even for "The long-term goal of the West is the elimination of historical Russia, the Russian people. It does not matter who is in power - tsars, general secretaries or presidents." earned a PLUS.
Napoleon, Hitler, in fact, led the European armies.
Today it is NATO plus Japan. And a number of so-called "neutrals".
Resources are resources, but the Russian Federation is also the rear for the PRC.
Success cannot be achieved without a strong, reliable rear of the Celestial Empire.
But also do not forget the words of Emperor Alexander3:
Russia has ONLY two ALLIES - the army and the navy.

[Vend]

Russia was also presented with an ultimatum at the D. Biden-V.V. Putin meeting. The term is six months. Either Russia and the West are against China, or a further and sharp deterioration in relations with the US and the EU.

The author and where did you get this information?

[Bashibuzuk1]

And if the brain is turned on? The ROC has long announced a "crusade" of the West against the Slavs as a race and their complete destruction in the 3rd millennium.

[Akuzenka]

And if the brain is turned on? The ROC has long announced a "crusade" of the West against the Slavs as a race and their complete destruction in the 3rd millennium.

Ah, the ROC said !!!!! This is the source of true knowledge about human nature and threats to our country! The best! Since the Old Testament!

[sniperino]

Quote: Choi

Analytics level stars told me

By the way, the FORECASTS section would add a stream of healthy competition among forum analysts. The analysis fills the forum with problematic content, and the forecast allows you to see the dynamics of problems (settle down, if you continue to act, after what time?, Or when and how will it shoot, if you do not change what?) sponsor is not poorer than P. Globa).

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Again they poured a whole muddy tub on my head! Something - right, a lot - soooo nonsense! And everything is seasoned with a bunch of conjectures. You sit and clip with your eyes ... What was that? What for?

[Rome]

The author is worried about our homeland!
And if in essence, then Russia today has taken the usual place of the third power in the world. We do not claim to be world leadership because our capabilities are far from such capabilities. but fighting with us is quite capable of wearing down the leader, and a direct conflict in general can lead to the destruction of our enemy. world war, if God forbid happens, it will not bypass us, since it is we who will give victory to one of the contenders therefore they want to either include us in their allies, or exclude us from the equation.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Thanks for the clarification, but I think the truth and essence of the question is clear to all smart people. Probably even interested in seventh graders. I mean that it is necessary to state not confused and with speculation, but clearly, clearly and understandably. So that even an ignorant person has complete clarity.

[Witness 45]

And you don't have to be at a meeting to understand what Biden might have demanded from Russia, the logic of the development of events in the geopolitical arena in recent years unambiguously suggests that the author of the article is right. , promised, for example, not to expand NATO, and now we have it practically in Ukraine, once Russia already had the pleasure of getting into an adventure with the Europeans against China in suppressing the uprising of the "boxers", in gratitude for this they first supported Japan in the Russo-Japanese war , dragged us into WW1, intervened during the Civil War, raised Hitler against the USSR. The West will never accept us as an equal ally, they didn’t even accept Hitler’s Germany, when it tried to put itself on an equal footing with the Anglo-Saxons, they needed it only as a battering ram, a striking force to destroy the USSR. So it is necessary now to strengthen cooperation with China, coordinate with it our policy towards the West, and in order not to be afraid of China, all resources must be directed to strengthening real production, the development of science, modern technologies, and not to all sorts of show events and stop export of capital abroad, in the world they respect and negotiate with the strong, the weak are simply used. The situation today is in a sense similar to the one that Alexander Nevsky had when it was necessary to make a strategic decision between the West and the East. It seems that the moment of truth has come, Putin needs to decide what is most important for him, the national interests of the country, or the interests of a handful of oligarchs.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Choi

The author must have been a translator at the meeting of the presidents? Knows exactly what Bidon said to Putin. The analytics of the level of the stars told me. My advice is to increase the dose of galloperdol.

The "afftora" trick is to work out a propaganda request. Nonsense from beginning to end.

[Slobodskoy]

It's just that the author is the monarchist communist Ymperets. There are many of them.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Normal ok

The "afftora" trick is to work out a propaganda request. Nonsense from beginning to end.

Duc refute, "afftora2" what's wrong. Only without turbidity and reasoned.
As for me, the hedgehog already understands that the mattresses are seriously concerned about the rapprochement between Russia and China, whose close cooperation will most likely lead to the fact that the crown of the "hegemon" for the United States will remain a dream, and an impossible one.
In 2018, the former US Secretary of State G. Kissinger made a voyage to Beijing and Russia, after which he stated that - “The United States should make efforts to ensure that relations between Beijing and the United States, Moscow and the United States are better than relations between Moscow and Beijing ", within the framework of which the mattresses today are trying to act through a policy of sanctions and concessions in order to persuade one of the parties to their side. However, the trick is that neither the PRC nor Russia will be exchanged for beads, because they understand perfectly well that if the potential is "zeroed out", one of them, who is left alone, will become the next victim of the United States, since they have well understood the next phrase of the same Kissinger - "To fight against the US is dangerous, and to be friends with the US is deadly."

[Lech from Android.]

China and the United States have their own interests, while Russia has its own.
At the moment, being friends with the West means losing your independence.
China does not interfere in the internal affairs of Russia, but it desperately needs our country's natural resources.
So Russia as an object of production
interesting to both parties.
The main thing for us is not to get to them for lunch in the mouth as a dish.

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Lech from Android.

At the moment, being friends with the West means losing your independence.

"To be friends with the West" is generally a strange idea. Like the friendship of a fox with a bun.
Friendship between states is from the evil one. Each state pursues its own goals, and sometimes these goals may coincide, then there is an opportunity to create a union. Today the Russian Federation and China have a common enemy that needs to be neutralized. This can be a reason for an alliance.
But it is not known what will happen when the common enemy disappears. And then you need to be prepared for the fact that yesterday's ally will become an enemy. For example, how, after the victory over Hitler, Britain and the United States became the enemies of the USSR.

[vladimirvn]

It is possible that the United States and NATO, following the example of Hitler, who sought to prevent an alliance between the USSR and Great Britain, will first try to destroy us in order to deprive China of an ally. And how will China behave in this situation, that's the question ?!

[Hlavaty]

It is unlikely that China will fit in. They will traditionally sit on the banks of the river and contemplate the corpses passing by, until the American eagle pecks in the ass.
It will also supply the American troops with all kinds of high-tech products.

[Yngvar]

In general, as grandfather Lenin taught: "To study military science in a real way!" But before (or in parallel) "squeeze" your so-called elite!

[Bar1]

Quote: Yngvar

But before (or in parallel) "squeeze" your so-called elite!

liquid trader?

[Yngvar]

Judging by the demeanor, yes! In this case, they have one nationality - the world eaters!

[maiman61]

The only goal and policy of the United States and Geyropa in relation to Russia is the destruction of Russia! It has always been, is and will always be, as long as human civilization exists! Based on this, we need to build our policy.

[Lech from Android.]

Many of our neighbors want to destroy Russia, it's just too tough for them.
We ourselves can destroy our country ... out of our own stupidity, if such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin, Navalny, Gozman and other rogues come to power.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Lech from Android.

... the neighbors want it, it's just too tough for them.

How can I say ... Industry, science and education, healthcare, McDonald's and tiktoks ... the process is already in full swing. Who said that you can only destroy with bombs and shells ...

[Essex62]

So they are in power. The last two are lightning rods. And those, the first, rule the receivers. Or did the fighters publicly condemn Yeltsin's gang? I don’t remember something.

[Uncle lee]

its global project based on social justice

Our tree won't do it! She is inherently corrupt!

[mikh-korsakov]

Vladimir! I quote you "Our tree for this (global project based on ...) will not work! She is inherently corrupt! " But if it is for sale, we will make a reservation like any in the world, then it can be bought. The question arises about the purchase price. What science tells us History. Under Stalin, there was also an elite (writers, scientists, public figures, like Ehrenburg, captains of industry, like Vannikov). He bought this elite at a low price, organizing A. encouragement of the most famous sycophants, to whom, to create legitimacy, he mixed major scientists such as Pavlov, and one of the highest evidence of encouragement was the allocation of a personal car ZiM B. organization of bickering for a place in the sun, I think examples are known to you. The modern government is also trying to use method A, sometimes successfully, examples are known to you. But he lacks persistence, is too two-faced and unprincipled under the guise of pragmatism.

[Uncle lee]

Do not confuse the elite of the USSR and the current elite!

[Kwas]

As for the selling elite, an analogy was visualized: The husband finds out that his wife is corrupt, after which he joyfully shouts "Hurray, so you can buy her!" How do we call such a husband? I think - not a very smart person. I think the correct reaction should be somewhat different. Change it nafig!

[Slobodskoy]

Only it is not clear - why the damned US and "Geyrope" destroy Russia? It sells everything they need for a cheap price and is very happy about it. Why do they need a war with millions of victims and trillions of expenses?

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Quote: maiman61

The only goal and policy of the United States and Geyropa in relation to Russia is the destruction of Russia! It has always been, is and will always be, as long as human civilization exists! Based on this, we need to build our policy.

There is no need to destroy physically, you can "assimilate" through the imposition of culture, language and values. With which they do an excellent job, as young people in their values ​​and views are indistinguishable from the West.

[parusnik]

Something, under the name of A. Samsonov, I recognize "brother Kolya", Kamenev, if anyone remembers such an author. It is written in his style. And why is the article about nothing doing in the history section?

[Pessimist22]

I wonder what the thesis "Russification of the elites" implies?

[Lech from Android.]

I suppose to compel in word and deed, and if necessary and by iron, to compel the snickering elite to work for the good of our country and our people, and not just for their own pocket.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

I suppose to compel in word and deed, and if necessary and by iron, to compel the snickering elite to work for the good of our country and our people, and not just for their own pocket.

Bourgeois, bourgeois, will peck out their eyes.?

[ANB]

... I suppose to compel in word and deed, and if necessary and by iron, to compel the snickering elite to work for the good of our country and our people, and not just for their own pocket. smile

It is necessary to quote the "elite" from your phrase. Since the real elite should work for the good of the country anyway. Otherwise, it has no right to be called the elite.

[Xlor]

Our country had nothing from thousands of years of "friendship" with the West except wars, meaningless promises and teachings about how we should live. Stinks from the West ...

[Luminman]

In addition to sanctions and drawing us into another world war, from the so-called. there is nothing to wait for the "collective west"

[nikvic46]

A handful of socialist countries are thinking about which path they should take next. All social systems are blurred. Those who call themselves a market state, in fact, are not. Another country that calls itself a social. country, barely holds up to this name. Made too much contribution to the state. the debt of the leading country in the West. And it’s not the West that is starting this whole storm now. The hands of TNCs can be seen from here. They are the ones who need our country as a guardian of globalism.

[mmaxx]

What kind of awareness? Just be stunned! Nobody knows, but the author has already put everything on the shelves.

[Olgovich]

Conversation needed with China, we need to coordinate our positions, develop a common geopolitical line. Determine the price of the union with Russia: assistance in new industrialization, creation of new infrastructure, cities, roads, communications, software, etc.

talk with all and stand over the fight between the United States and China, observing only their own interests

[Boris55]

Quote: Olgovich

talk to everyone and stand above the fight between the United States and China, observing only their own interests

The main result of the Geneva summit was that the West (USA) recognized Russia as an equal, as a global player with whom it is necessary to negotiate. It was recognized in fact that Russia is no longer a colony. The interests of Russia were identified with which the West (USA) will have to reckon with.

[Kronos]

And this was not close.

[Boris55]

Quote: Kronos

And this was not close.

The very fact that Western civilization wanted to meet with the civilization of Russia speaks about this.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Already in too dark colors stated by the author. It seems to me that everything is much simpler. The war of states and civilizations has always been going on. I don’t want to be engaged in hating, the USA resembles the USSR of 1988-1989. Our task is not to get involved in these fights and showdowns. China, of course, as an ally is still a fruit. You can't really rely on him. In the whole world there are probably no more stupid states than ours, ready to lay down their belly for the "brothers" ...

[Egoza]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

China, of course, as an ally is still a fruit. You can't really rely on him.

But China is better than the United States. In China, at least they keep their word, the United States is the master. Will promise and refuse

[Andrey Shiryaev]

Here I will support you, China at least dreams only of Siberia, and the Western Barbarians of a complete partition. The local elite do not have a complete picture of the world, not seeing beyond their pocket, and the neighbor's fence, and it has been so almost at all times, with rare exceptions.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Of course, China is better than the United States. In this situation, it is better for us to be a “smart district police officer” - to stand on the sidelines while two drunks hit each other's muzzles. Let them beat each other and then take them to the regional department.

[bk316]

In China, at least they keep their word, the United States is the master.

This is not the point.
Look at the history of China and the history of the Naglo-Saxons.
China was not a colonial power.
If China grew, then the adjacent territories (by the way, like Russia).
In general, all of China's aspirations are usually directed inward.
The ideas of plague domination have not come to the Chinese for many thousands of years.

In turn, the Naglo-Saxons are responsible for the genocide of many peoples and tribes.
For building a global colonial system.
Constantly fighting or playing off other countries.
Aimed at world domination.
Well, Russia is traditionally crap.

[Krasnodar]

The new head of the Israeli government, "hawk" N. Benet, with a new provocation by Islamic radicals, which will not be long in coming, will launch a decisive offensive. Will try to implement the "Greater Israel" project.

Everything is correct. Expand Israel to the historical borders of Tartaria during the reign of the Slavic-Aryan king Kunislav II, the son of Klitodar.

[Dimon Krasnodar]

Israel will expand to the boundaries defined by its creator. The country will never fall apart and the conquerors will not have enough strength to conquer it. Already in the twentieth century, the Arab countries attacked and miraculously they all lost.
Accident? I don’t think so. The book of the prophet Joel chapter 2, a description of the 2nd world war and the formation of Israel with the guarantee that the country will withstand until the day of judgment.

[Krasnodar]

I want to note that only the citizens of the country themselves can destroy Israel. They have long developed immunity to external threats and numerous schemes of counteraction.

[Kwas]

You don't need to analyze intelligence reports to understand that Israel is subsidized. It is impossible to maintain SUCH army and SUCH standard of living at the same time on internal resources. Maybe I'm wrong, but name at least some significant item of Israeli export, due to which this is possible, I do not know that. And this all means what? The very fact that when the subsidies run out, the Jews will have to choose what to sacrifice - the army or the standard of living. Moreover, in the first case, there will be a lost war, and in the second, a catastrophic outcome. Sadness however, it hurts a lot of good people there, including my friends.

[Krasnodar]

The export is one hundred billion in tanks. Aichi technology, cut diamonds (bruliks), chemical industry, electronics, medical equipment, etc.
But that's not the point. A drop in living standards in the event of sanctions on the purchase of domestic products will lead to a drop in prices, incl. for housing. And this will attract a lot of investments and tourists, and automatically

[the same doctor]

In 1914 and 1940 there were crusades against Germany. We got sick from them.

[Woodman]

Russia was also presented with an ultimatum at the D. Biden-V.V. Putin meeting. The term is six months.

Did I miss something? Can someone light this moment on the account of the ultimatum?

What does America have to offer?
Crimea will never be recognized as a Russian. Ukraine will not be given back. Pressure on Belarus will continue. The expansion of Turkey (the Great Turan project) in the sphere of influence of Russia will continue.
In general, it is useless to negotiate with America.

So what was Russia offered in the end?

[bk316]

Did I miss something? Can someone light this moment on the account of the ultimatum?

It's just like in the joke about
Is it true that Moishe won a car in the lottery?
True, but not in the lottery, but in preference, and did not win, but lost, and not a car, but 100 rubles, and not Moishe, but Yasha.

So the ultimatum was either it was not the USA or the Russian Federation and no one knows about what ...

[Normal]

Again, the speculations and assumptions of Samsonov.
There is no way to comprehensively and in conjunction to answer oneself to six simple questions. Honestly, without political cliché to answer.

1. Why Russia to the West
2. Why the West of Russia.
3. Why Russia China.
4. Why China Russia.
5. Why China needs the West.
6. Why China to the West.

But expecting truthful answers from the author is somewhat naive.
I'll have to do it myself. Well, as I understand myself:

1. Counterbalance to China.
(But according to the author, the long-term goal of the West is the elimination of historical Russia, the Russian people. How one relates to the other is not important for the author. Apparently the author believes that it is possible to "sort out" China in the short term.
But to frighten the population with the intrigues of the West is really a long-term, eternal occupation.)

2. Market for hydrocarbons. Technologies, Investments. Education for kids. Advanced medicine. A comfortable refuge for old age.

3. Alas, so far there is no great interest.
China does not need Russia as a state. He is self-sufficient .... as long as he has the technology of the West.

4. Scare the West.
If you don’t indulge our quirks, we will turn to China.
We will not turn around, by the fact that point 2.

5. Technologies and sales market.
Losing this, China will become a regional power. Will get bogged down in conflicts around its entire perimeter. In order to achieve this, there is no need for war. It is enough to stop supplying China with technology and stop buying its goods. (But the author is not interested in this. There is no tension and nerve in anticipation of the war.)

6. No longer why.
When there was the USSR with its alternative to the Western world order project, it was necessary to withdraw China from this project as a country with a colossal human, and therefore mobilization resource. Now China is a direct competitor, and it is better when the "field is clear".

Conclusions:

1. The West is hardly interested in a hot war with China, even through Russia. The risks are too great and there are more reliable and cheaper ways.
2. Russia will not deploy to any East. We are not needed there, and the East is not attractive to our pseudo-elites.

[Kwas]

The analysis is wrong:

Quote: Normal

2. Market for hydrocarbons. Technologies, Investments. Education for kids. Advanced medicine. A comfortable refuge for old age.

THEM needs hydrocarbons. Investments are also a means of colonialization. Education is no good. Medicine, a comfortable refuge exclusively for the elite. And about the reliability of such a shelter - a question of questions. Only technology remains. But they should not be bought, but copied, and it is more important to restore the destroyed ones.
3. China needs Russia as a shit, its watery, and personnel to train its own. Then it will be self-sufficient, regardless of the position of the West.
The same for point 5. Almost everything is already there, it's just a matter of staff. China does not need the West as a sales market. As you know, bread does not go under the belly.
6. China is vital to the West as a cheap factory. As soon as China stops playing this role (and it will definitely stop!), The Western market and living standards collapse, and currencies fall to zero.

[Normal]

Quote: Kwas

Hydrocarbons are needed by IM

Hydrocarbons are found almost EVERYWHERE. Well, except for Japan.

Often much better than ours and cheaper than ours in terms of production cost.

Quote: Kwas

Investments too

We need investments, not the West.

Quote: Kwas

Education is worthless

MSU is in 91st place in the ranking of universities.
https://na.ria.ru/20210427/rur-1727943235.html
Anything above him in the rating is worthless. Tell this to students in the top ten university rankings.

Quote: Kwas

Medicine, a comfortable refuge exclusively for the elite.

By itself. Can you think that you are in power here?

Quote: Kwas

about the reliability of such a shelter - a question of questions.

No others.

Quote: Kwas

But they should not be bought, but copied, and it is more important to restore the destroyed ones.

Not even funny. Technology is the future, and you propose to restore what has already become obsolete.

Quote: Kwas

China needs Russia as shit

What is called a Freudian slip of the tongue.

Quote: Kwas

and cadres for training their own.

See university rankings

Quote: Kwas

After which it will be self-sufficient

Without advanced technologies from the West, China will stop developing. Without a market for its products, it will ditch itself with a crisis of overproduction.

Quote: Kwas

Almost everything is already there

Objectively, existing technologies cannot compete with new, advanced technologies. It is obvious.

Quote: Kwas

6. China is vital to the West as a cheap factory.

It is vital for the West to stop this factory and it will.
The West itself was a factory for the whole world, albeit not cheap. So it will live without China.

Your criticism of my attempt at analysis (namely, attempt, and not analysis, since I am not mature enough for serious analysis) is unconvincing.

[Cuba]

Quote: maiman61

The only goal and policy of the United States and Geyropa in relation to Russia is the destruction of Russia! It has always been, is and will always be, as long as human civilization exists! Based on this, we need to build our policy.

I totally agree! .... but with the United States and with the Gay European values, Russia is definitely not on the way!

[smaug78]

Morning, Samsonov, nonsense ...

[pytar]

What does America have to offer? Crimea will never be recognized as a Russian. Ukraine will not be given back. Pressure on Belarus will continue. The expansion of Turkey (the Great Turan project) ... will continue.
We need a conversation with China, we need to coordinate our positions, work out a common geopolitical line. Determine the price of an alliance with Russia ...

The Chinese are cunning, if they offer something, they will take 10 times more in exchange! I think the author is too idealizing China! In the future, he is a predator more dangerous for Russia than the West! Russia is now in a unique situation for its history, which provides enormous opportunities! The role of the balancer is the most beneficial! This is how China acted while developing and strengthening.

To present to the planet your global project based on social justice and co-prosperity of peoples.

But this is a very correct judgment! But is it possible, with the elite who now rule the country? Strongly, I doubt it ...

[gsev]

Quote: pytar

The Chinese are cunning, if they offer something, they will take 10 times more in exchange!

In my opinion, Chinese servos and CNCs are 7 times cheaper than Western ones, panels are 4 times, programmable controllers and frequency converters are 2 times 90. In addition, for example, in the conditions of a complete economic and technical blockade of Belarus by the West, China can cover about XNUMX% of its needs.

[pytar]

In my opinion, Chinese servos and CNCs are 7 times cheaper than Western ones, panels are 4 times cheaper, programmable controllers and frequency converters are 2 times cheaper.

Quite possible. The low yuan exchange rate supported by the authorities, the still low level of wages and labor costs, make Chinese products very competitive. This is how China accumulates resources and takes over the world. The question arises! And where are the Russian counterparts ???

In addition, for example, in the context of a complete economic and technical blockade of Belarus by the West, the PRC can cover approximately 90% of its needs.

Quite possible. An ideal situation for China's monopolization of the Belarusian market Lukashenka has already been burned by taking a loan from China on onerous terms! China is a ruthless capitalist predator, capable of swallowing quickly by the entire planet!

[gsev]

Quote: pytar

And where are the Russian counterparts ???

European counterparts are often made in China. At one time, it was Bulgaria that specialized in the CMEA in the production of servo drives. Russia and Bulgaria are quite close in spirit. The lack of Bulgarian and Russian servos is based on the same basis.

[gsev]

Quote: pytar

The question arises! And where are the Russian counterparts ???

My previous answer was pretty superficial. At the end of Soviet times, Mishchenko, a man of pro-Western views and then an ardent supporter of Yeltsin and Yavlinsky, was engaged in the creation of algorithms for vector control of asynchronous motors. After Yeltsin came to power, representatives of Western firms often came to him and offered to sell them patents and management algorithms. Mishchenko, in response, suggested creating a joint venture and producing more modern drives in Yeltsin's Russia. The Germans and French politely shied away from production negotiations. And representatives of General Electric said rudely and honestly: "We did not then destroy you in order to revive." That is, until now, Russia has been effectively contained by the West since 1991, and only very recently have attempts at containment have begun to falter. For example, with the development and production of one of the best vaccines from Sputnik V covid, this clearly manifested itself. And with the drives, not everything is so good. A year ago I came across Tula frequency converters. They are 5 times more expensive than Chinese ones. Designers put them in government contracts. They have their own niche application. If Russia has low-noise submarines and is building its own nuclear power plants, then the production of frequency drives has been preserved. The production of servo drives at KEMZ, following the negotiations between the Yuhai company and representatives of the plant, is in a deplorable state. The Japanese either inflated prices or stopped deliveries, and now in Kovrov it is not possible to glue the "Made in Russia" labels on Japanese servomotors. Moreover, the Chinese believe that their products are more modern and, in contrast to the Japanese sold to Russia, have a higher torque. However, Kovrov does not work with either North China or South China. The company where I worked in the late 1980s and early 1990s made AC and DC drives, CNC, programmable controllers for knitting machines, milling and boring machines, displacement sensors (inductive and optical), control and measuring machines. The remnants of this enterprise, which I knew 10 years ago, produce security systems for places of detention and advise businessmen on how to properly submit reports for R&D on government orders.

[Petrik66]

China needs Russia as a rear base, new Chinese missiles are deployed in Heilujiang, next to Russian air defenses, China needs Russia as a supplier of energy resources that the US Navy cannot block, etc. we need China as a rear base in the Far East, as an ally in the confrontation with the United States and Japan. Does the author scare you with sanctions? There will be no sanctions, as they will further push us towards a military alliance with China. Not the best option for Americans.
Hence the conclusion: the main emphasis will be on the collapse of countries from the inside - the Chinese Komsomol members and our "family", "liberals", oligarchs and other bastards. respectively - the beginning of the stripping of the rear.
Start with yourself, as they say. It will be interesting, we stock up on popcorn.

[Doccor18]

It is pointless to negotiate with China, it is building "its own world", in which there will be a "Middle State and the barbarians" ...
Western corporations are building their own world order, but Russia has only one role in it - a herd of slaves.
Russia itself must move towards its goal. She herself is "one of the worlds" of our planet, along with "the Western and Chinese worlds" ...

[Pravodel]

In general, it is useless to negotiate with America /// the goal of the West is to eliminate historical Russia, the Russian people.

Absolutely correct! Now only Russia-China relations protect China from a big war with the West. If it were not for Russia, then the West would have unleashed a long time ago

small victorious war

with China. And, so, he is afraid. Afraid that Russia will support China. And rightly afraid. Do not look back to the West and think how it will benefit us. This has already happened 2 times: in 1917 and in the 90s of the last century.
With all this, it is also necessary to take into account that economically Russia is much weaker than the West and that a break and complete break with the West is not desirable.
Russia received a lot from Byzantium, including Eastern diplomacy. Therefore, it is necessary to consistently develop the economy and political institutions of Russia, relying on eastern diplomacy, and, subsequently, on the economic power of China. Yes, and on the economic power of China: with the tightening of the West's policy towards China and the transition to the blockade of transport routes, on which China depends to a great extent, China will increasingly turn towards Russia on its own. Russia's transport routes do not depend on Western sanctions. And the more pressure is put on China, the more China will focus on Russia.

[dsdelta]

Everything is correct. The Anglo-Saxons are unable to negotiate. Basically. They break contracts when it suits them. Simply because they consider the rest to be Papuans. Only a pistol at their temples can help them start thinking adequately.

[vladcub]

Comrades, is this section History or Analytics?

[vladimirvn]

Quote: vladcub

Comrades, is this section History or Analytics?

This is a section from the "Weather" series. 50/50.

[Trilobite Master]

This is kapets.
It is time to officially bury the section "History" if such materials begin to be published in it.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

This is kapets.

... No, it's much worse

[vladcub]

That's for sure . A complete Trindee, but some who "fed"

[gsev]

Quote: Trilobite Master

It's time to officially bury the "History" section if such materials start to be published in it.

History is the science of truth and falsehood. In my opinion, this article is truly historical. Of course, the State Department and the Russian Foreign Ministry did not share information about the goals of Biden and Putin with the author during the negotiations. But nevertheless, the author is trying to analyze the current events and issue his recommendations and involve interested parties in the discussion.

[Kwas]

Quote: Trilobite Master

This is kapets. negative

No, well, what are you, as a pessimist from the joke "That's it, it won't get any worse!"
It should be optimistic: "It will, of course it will be!"

[Maks1995]

Again. Again ULTIMATUM.
Something in the media has become too much of them. Every week for 1-2.

And where do they go after?

IMHO, there is just poor-quality information ...

[BAI]

There will be no more options - war. Perhaps not hot at first, hybrid.

Hybrid wars all against all have been going on for a long time. Including: US versus China and China versus US. Therefore - nothing will happen.

[Shiden]

The author and some commentators have a very exuberant imagination and not an analyst. The fact that the leaders of the two countries discussed China in such a way was communicated by the press secretaries before the negotiations. The United States and Russia understands that for a treaty on the reduction of nuclear weapons, China must also be included. Moreover, before the meeting in Geneva, the Chinese Foreign Ministry made a statement that the United States and Russia should reduce their nuclear potential. This can once again interpret both the wish and the fact that China is ready to conduct three-sided negotiations on reductions.

[demo]

In general, it is useless to negotiate with America.
This is only clear to the author. And those who are behind a brick wall - these think differently.
The long-term goal of the West is the elimination of historical Russia, the Russian people. It doesn't matter who is in power - tsars, general secretaries or presidents.
And this has been evident for the past 500 years. Only the conclusions in no way correlate with the consequences of these conclusions.
The only way out is nationalization, russification of the elite.
I understand nationalization. But what about Russification?
End of the era of Westernization.
This end will come when the vector of westernization is gone. And it will disappear when the very concept of "western" is absent - in the broad sense of the word.
We need a conversation with China, we need to coordinate our positions, work out a common geopolitical line.
China is not that interlocutor who makes decisions in a day or two.
For his decisions have been prolonged for decades ahead.
And time does not wait.
Determine the price of an alliance with Russia: assistance in new industrialization, creation of new infrastructure, cities, roads, communications, software, etc.
What's this? Is it attracting Chinese specialists, Chinese technologies, Chinese hands to their homes so that they can do it for us?
Or does the author mean otherwise?
To present to the planet your global project based on social justice and co-prosperity of peoples.
Here the author was completely skidded!
Who is so smart in the government of the Russian Federation that he has developed such a unique project!
Here is social justice for you! (I'm convulsing!)
Here you and the co-prosperity of peoples! (I died!)
Author! From what oak did you collapse?
Where did it crack?
What country do you live in?
Has it been shown to the optometrist for a long time?
Or a psychiatrist.

[Slobodskoy]

The author has long lived in his own parallel world.

[vladcub]

Clarification: one of the authors. Because "Samsonov" is a collective pseudonym.

[demo]

Judging by the number of (-) I have, 6 authors.
But something else is very strange. Exactly the same disease for all at the same time.

[vladcub]

Fig knows: how many people write under the nickname: "Samsonov"? I know one thing: there are a lot of them and some of them are adequate, and some: "Mom dropped from the 9th floor. Everyone cried: even the janitors and policemen" (c)

[Igoresha]

The only way out is nationalization, russification of the elite.

it's like in that joke - fantastic - we will do everything ourselves, realistic - aliens will arrive and do it for us))

[Andrey Sukharev]

Quote: Wend

Russia was also presented with an ultimatum at the D. Biden-V.V. Putin meeting. The term is six months. Either Russia and the West are against China, or a further and sharp deterioration in relations with the US and the EU.

The author and where did you get this information?

These are voices in the head of the Author. Judging by the content of the articles, it's fun

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Determine the price of an alliance with Russia

: Dissolve 150 million Russians, 1 billion Chinese, or how many are there.

[coramba]

As for the Russian people, it was long ago liquidated by the Bolsheviks with the money of the West from 1917 to 1945.
I strongly doubt that China will be a worthy partner, Russia will stand alone if there is no betrayal from within!

[1536]

There is no doubt that the ultimatum was presented, otherwise why would the American want to meet. It is also a fact that it is pointless to "adhere" to China. The fact that submitting to the United States is tantamount to introducing a "new order" in Russia similar to the German one prepared for Russia by Nazi Germany in the early 1940s. One thing remains: Russia lives and acts on its own. Thus, these scoundrels at the head of the United States will again slow down the improvement of the welfare of Russian citizens and the development of the country as a whole. They will slow down, but not stop. Most importantly, the mistakes of the CPSU and its leaders after 1945 must not be allowed. And so let the Anglo-Americans and Germans have a headache, what will Russia do and what Russia will do with them in the future. If this policy is carried out by the Russian Federation, everything will be fine. Unfortunately, other options are also possible. Still, the feeling of self-preservation should prevail!

[Alexey RU64]

Yes, China will never interact with us! He only needs profits and territories. He will wait for our elite to finally bury our state and destroy the Russians as a nation, and then he will come. And we will not divide, but England and China. America generally acts as a cudgel, but in it the processes have already started requiring clinical treatment. I still don’t understand why we never acted like the British. There is the territory of Russia, and there are the territories of the vassals.

[Igor Lyamin]

The choice is obvious, but the trouble is that Putin's mentality is a Westerner and an anti-Soviet; obviously will pull the cat by the tail (maneuver) to the last. That is why Russia has no allies.

[loaln]

Without a statement about a new path of development and a return to the socialist path of transforming society, all projects will be a profanation of the essence and end in the usual BATTLE and another robbery: the country, the subsoil, the people.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Why do we need China and America. Let the fight. A monkey sitting on a tree and watching the fight between two tigers will get more dividends .. And there you can become an intermediary in their conflict .. In general, lafa.Glavnoe so that liberasnya does not shit.

[Sirocco]

Judging by how our and Western elites sang on the coronavirus, then everything has long been decided and divided, and these meetings and the body of the movement are intended for the population of the planet, that is, for us, everything is as old as the world with this virus, we are divided and dominated, intimidating periods, and as you know, the intimidated population is easier to manipulate. So what we know about this meeting is that nothing is known.

[globe]

I wonder if the children of the elite will exchange their Western education for Chinese?
Or will they stay in Russia to study?

[zenion]

Either they scare them with plates, they set them on the Chinese, and capitalism's mercenaries do not have anything to do with it.

[TermNachTer]

In my opinion, grandfather Bidon "detsl ramsy beguiled"))) firstly, the situation in the world has changed - matrasoland is no longer a hegemon. Secondly, Russia is not what it was 20 years ago. If he tried to come to an agreement, then perhaps through mutual concessions and compromises they could come to something. And so, as they say in the preference: "stayed with their own."

[sleeve]

What is "industrialization"? Why do we need any help from China? And what can it be? Let them sit deeper on our raw material needle. If a serious zavorushka begins, we will generally remain the only stable feeding trough of the PRC. do they not understand it? Quite to myself. To knock on hands on all attempts will penetrate into the raw materials component of the economy. And in the energy sector the same. This is being done, but it must be more active and confident. While such a "funny" situation "who for whom" to achieve a lot by building political and logistic routes, something like a joint venture (1 and 2) beating three birds with one stone. But all this is being done. The question is: why should we have a bolt with someone about something, in principle, to agree? Do we need a sustainable economy? Substitution of the raw material segment is just shaking it. It is easier for our gas to compete than our motors and hydraulic presses. Here we only develop our own production, but with a population of 145 million, this will end very quickly. Is there a way out? Yes, of course there is, why shouldn't it be. The PRC is fatally lagging behind in technology. As soon as the world took action to protect its know-how, and the free flow to the allegedly deployed "own" production in the PRC slowed down this became noticeable. Not "feed" China with freebies, but seeks to replace the segment of "cheap technology" (pans, mixers, blenders, TVs, etc.) on its own. Voila-own population will provide "entry into the GDP" of new funds. That is, in the extreme case, there remains a "non-removable" segment of raw materials in the economy and a "technological" component that is being increased in one way or another. In principle, the correlator of options is narrow, although this option is "one of". But in any case, we are in a position (including a geographical one) where we do not need and should not get into anybody's camp.

[zenion]

Sleeve of what? You sing well. But for some reason Stalin thought and believed that an alliance with China was the main thing. As far as I remember, the song Moscow-Beijing is sung by the peoples in unison. Is it the Chinese who need Russian technology? China needed the technologies of developed countries not to reinvent the wheel. All technologies in Russia are those technologies that remained from the people of the USSR. Having become a capitalist country, Russia has lost the main thing - the support of the entire people. One pastor who was lucky to stay alive testified at the trial against the nationalists in Nuremberg. First they came for the communists, but I was not a communist. And the Nazis came and cleaned all the unwanted. And when they came for the shepherd, there was no one to stand up for him. Russia is not overseas, but just beyond the taiga.

[sleeve]

Well I understand in my heart that you objected to me. There was even sarcasm, they say, a cartridge case. But, if we remove the pastor (and this maxim is not put into anyone’s mouth, but let the pastor be), so if we remove the pastor, then only Stalin’s “faith” in China will remain from the “new” one. That’s what I’ll disagree with, because somehow I didn’t trace what exactly Comrade Stalin considered the most important. And there is nowhere to read about this, well, except for Internet articles. Well, almost like about Atlantis, only without Plato. And yes, you are right, Russia is beyond the taiga ... for China. But for America it is still overseas.

[Oleg Nikonov]

It makes no sense to become a henchman of the West. This is a step back to 90 in international politics. Their goal is clear - to smash China with the hands of Russians than
and weaken Russia, then blame or substitute and divide into pieces the Russian territory (a new approach to the implementation of the old plan) An alliance of political and military associates of the east is needed. To put an end to these overly active swindlers by politicians and countries. Russia and China can divide Europe and America It may not be necessary for these countries to become part of Russia or China as regions. But it is clear that their behavior in international society must fall within the framework of decency and adequacy. And we need to act urgently and actively, not giving them the opportunity to implement them. plans to increase military power. And then offer them our protection from North Korea and Iran, which they fear. China and Russia will be able to rein in irrepressible adventurers today.

[Glagol1]

Russia is 1,9% of the world population, 3% of world GDP. It is not enough. Russia has a strong army and 1/8 of the world's territory. It's a lot. But alone they will crush the creatures from the Western world. An alliance or at least a kind peace with China is needed, and it is very important to keep friends and good neighbors along the borders. West - Belarus, south-west Armenia, Iran, south - Kazakhstan and the countries of Central Asia, further - Mongolia, China and North Korea. An alliance with China is critically important, it is not even necessary to sign something, just the creatures should know that if anything, we will help each other. And for China, Russia is not at all insignificant, resources, military power, sales market, all this is not lying on the road.

[ecolog]

We are a very weak market for China. And our only option is to restore Soviet power. otherwise it does not matter in the sixes from whom we will bend - from the pindus wasps or the Chinese.
as the local censor does not like the word "p and o s s" - under whom is the site located?

[ecolog]

mindflow. there will be no war with China in August. And America does not need Russian "mega-warriors" - maximum neutrality. And in general, at least some logic of the article ends with "and what can the United States offer us in exchange for loyalty - but nothing"

[don-1500]

Quote: Svidetel 45

Putin needs to decide what is most important for him, the national interests of the country, or the interests of a handful of oligarchs.

On this issue, he has long been determined. Or do you think that for 1001 times he will act differently?

[Nord11]

You have to be a very optimistic and cheerful idiot to trample a minefield for the benefit of the "golden billion". Even if Russia follows the lead of the United States, no one will recognize it as a partner, even a suitable servant, and will use it utilitarianly, like poor and gullible Ukraine is now.

[Snail N9]

In the article, everything is generally correct, except for one thing - except for the mention and disclosure of the global project of China itself. For the author, China looks like a victim being harmed by the West, which is far from the case. In addition to the Chineseization of the world on the basis of the Maoist "anthill" arrangement, China also has a global project for Russia itself, namely, the seizure of its territories, which Russia, in China's opinion, cannot use due to its backwardness and stupidity, as well as the laziness of the ruling elite. Friends with China? Well, well ... There is no friendship, there is only one thing - to lie under China. Why, Russian girls are valued by the Chinese ...

[Reiter]

These are resolvable issues - how to maintain independence in partnership (what nafig friendship in geopolitics) with China. All the same, there are no other options, or rather, if they exist, they are obviously worse for the independence and prosperity of Russia. There are no options at all to stand alone. Russia will not be left alone. Who will be Russia's company in terms of economic and national, that is, physical survival and will not insist on de-sovereignty of Russia, it would be nice to come to an agreement with France and Germany, but is this real?

[Anika]

The United States will try to liquidate Russia if it remains on the side of China, and the liquidation will be carried out through Turan, in fact it will be the same Russia without the European part, only with Turkey, the Caucasus and Central Asia, the motive is the same, the oppression of the Uighurs, Turkey and They are pumping now, they have already made a leap in armaments, they also pour into their ears about Turan in Central Asia and people want to create it, not realizing that they will become a battering ram for the United States against China

[Olkass]

Before carrying any nonsense, take an interest in the historical realities in relations between the two countries during their existence. NEVER has one country allowed another to disappear. The rest is just business. And the life of the cattle, inhabiting both countries, has never interested anyone.

[Anika]

Why nonsense? Find on the modern map the Lithuanian state (later the speech was made) the Golden Horde, of the fragments of which the Russian state now consists.

[Armen Sologyan]

The author and developer of the coronavirus is on a crusade against China, where he spread his virus!!!

[Amur]

Who will this project (social justice) represent? Not funny, disgusting. They sold the Motherland of the USSR for a long time, for money. Can't get it back.

[Kwas]

Quote: Amur

Can't return it anymore.

Yes, a return is inevitable. It’s just a matter of time and blood, which everyone would like to shed as little as possible.

[Basarev]

In general, it is useless to negotiate with America. The long-term goal of the West is the liquidation of historical Russia and the Russian people. It doesn’t matter who is in power - kings, general secretaries or presidents.

Where did Samsonov get the idea that the Chinese are at least somehow different?

[PaulBoimer]

“In such a scenario, the role of Russia increases sharply. The West needs to get Russians into its camp, as born warriors” - without detracting from the merits of our army and people....since when in the world have we been given such a specialization. As far as is known, in 1856 the “gendarme of Europe” ceased to exist. Innate wars are something from the tribal or feudal system. A well-trained soldier is a good warrior. And a good warrior is not enough. We need a good rear. And in the modern Russian Federation, the rear resembles an ass.

[SID]

Great article. Capacious, coherent, concise.

[agond]

Historically, the naturals, as a rule, lost and are losing to anyone who was more organized and better equipped.

[Snail N9]

In fact, Russia now benefits precisely from the US war with China, as the only way, relatively painlessly for Russia, to carry out the impending reboot of civilization. In other options, this will happen only due to the collapse of Russia. Yes, in the event of a war between the United States and China, we will suffer to some extent from radioactive contamination, but believe me, this is much better than what awaits Russia in the future if, God forbid, it falls under China. Moreover, in the event of this war, two poles of power are eliminated at once, which is simply extremely beneficial for Russia. The option of joining the United States is also quite possible, the comprador (fartsovskaya) “Kremlin tower” will completely sacrifice its second “tower” (cop-KGB) under the guarantee of the West to leave it alone in control in Russia. And by the way, they will give up Crimea to the usual: “at the request of the working people and to improve their financial situation.” Moreover, with the tacit “consent” of all the Russian population, tired of “getting up from their knees.”

[Siegfried]

Unfortunately, “ultimatums” at the level of foreign policy, with the exception of exceptions, are intended to signal that a change in the chosen course should not be expected. No one is really demanding anything from China, it's just that China has become too powerful and potentially dangerous. It is time to pursue a policy of containment, they believe in the United States, and the ultimatum should prevent any exemplary signals from the Chinese side (such as China wants friendship and harmony with the United States, we can find a common denominator, etc.). Such signals that undermine the main narrative “China is bad, we are forced to act” are excluded, because. China cannot respond to a demand for something by fulfilling that demand (weakness). The same thing with Russia...no matter what Russia does or doesn’t do, the country has become too stable, strong and confident, so they decided to restrain it, for which they use anything to support the “Russia is bad” narrative. And there is absolutely nothing that Russia could do to change this...except for the impossible, of course, like returning Crimea, releasing Navalny...but this is essentially a signature for “we want to become your vassals”...that’s what it does Zelensky constantly sold national pride, independence... and he will sell the Ukrainian flag if necessary, replacing it with Coca-Cola. The only thing that remains is to respond to the policy of containment in such a way that the opponent is always forced to figure out how he will have to pay for his unfriendliness and whether the price will be too high, which is what Russia has been doing all this time and seems to be very successful

[bzbo]

Three guys from a distant MORDOVian village once arrived in Moscow. They're coming
that means along the Arbat, and bald gopniks are coming towards them.
Gopniks ask the first:
-Where from, who is he?
- _Moskvach_!
Bang - and the second one is lying on the asphalt with a broken BASE too.
“Well, who are you?”
- Why is it there, blunder!

[bzbo]

Who is the West? Balts, Romanians, Spaniards and Portuguese? West is the R1b population. And Russian people are the R1a population. It's time to record this in international documents. Border countries like eastern Germany, Austria and Romania should be separated

[Mikhail3]

The problem is that it is useless to negotiate with China. The Chinese are also not going to tolerate a rival and owner of huge resources next to them. So, at a convenient moment for China, a situational alliance with them will be replaced by a war of extermination with us. But we are a warrior nation, right? Yes. WERE.
As I once wrote in an article, what makes a person a warrior are those qualities that are considered the best in people. Honor. Conscience. Duty. Brotherhood. All these qualities grow from war! Out of military duty, the duty to protect our own. However, at the moment, our country is ruled by people who deliberately destroyed these qualities in themselves, and violently destroyed them in all other people.
All these spiritual properties prevent theft and banditry. Namely, and only such people now constitute our “elite”. To get to the top there are only two ways. The first is to be born there. Then you will get enormous resources into your hands and will control masses of people, completely regardless of whether you are suitable for this role or not. And the collapse of another case will only cause your further increase in rank.
Well, the second way is to become a thief and a bandit. There are simply no other ways. Young people, as is customary among humanity, are guided by the behavior of the elite. If the leaders do this, then this is what we do too. Natural way of survival. And it doesn’t matter at all what the leaders talk. Listening to the blizzard that suddenly came from high stands about these very qualities, young people simply draw the obvious conclusion - they should lie with special cynicism. That's all...
Everything is great! However... The thieves and bandits that our youth are turning into en masse do not fight. Wrong people, wrong psychotype. We are NO LONGER a warrior nation. For now we still have some belated glimpses. But in 10-15 years they won’t exist either.
The funny thing is that the thieves-bandit elite finally understood all this) That’s where all these panicky nonsense speeches on TV about the “sea of ​​opportunities” for young people, youth politicians and personnel reserves come from)) Yes, yes, guys. You steal and bandit, but the Soviet Army no longer protects you. There is no such army, you destroyed it. And those people are no longer there. No one will protect your wealth. You can force the population that doesn’t believe and despise you to get vaccinated) But you won’t be able to force people to defend what you have stolen. Starting, for example, with the fact that there is no one to force, there are no warriors))

[babylon]

The author is right Russia and China need each other in the complexity of the situation, otherwise no one can stand alone.

[agond]

Quote: Mikhail3

, what makes a person a warrior are those qualities that are considered best among people. Honor. Conscience. Duty. Brotherhood. All these qualities grow from war! Out of military duty, the duty to protect our own. However, at the moment, our country is ruled by people who deliberately destroyed these qualities in themselves, and violently destroyed them in all other people.

Little has changed in Russia, people who were drafted from the lower classes, serfs, and later collective farmers always fought.

[Molot1979]

Samsonov is still raving about some kind of “stash” and warm places. Is this a diagnosis? And in the event of war, will he squeeze out something like “that’s it, the end of their nest egg”? Although it is enough for a smart person to know that the army has not been transferred to the Chinese border and the warheads have not been redirected to Beijing. Consequently, the Americans achieved nothing. Like all previous years.

[Olkass]

The author of the article's face is clearly not disfigured by intelligence. Another flea bastard.
Don’t write anything you have no idea about.
The matter is much deeper than some China.

[bratchanin3]

ldldrrrrpr

[Conjurer]

A good way out is to gather everyone who the United States has got, everyone who is ready to do harm to them, even if not obviously - in international organizations, with clandestine supplies of weapons and resources, with money, with volunteers. It is necessary to coordinate the activities of this pseudo-bloc in such a way as to tie the hands of the globalists as much as possible in the use of finance and military force, to create for them a viscous environment that prevents them from implementing their plans. Russia should not set the goal of protecting anyone (at least explicitly); it should act from under the carpet, coordinating the efforts of those wishing to take revenge, essentially providing them with such an opportunity.

[Grandfather Eugene]

Russia will not give up on China. The West will make a dissatisfied face, stomp its feet, make a face, write a couple of fines and go away to think until next time.

[The pilot's son]

The author posed the question absolutely correctly. The moment of truth is approaching. The question is, will the West have enough resources to continue its policy? Although, this question is also relevant to Russia and China.

[Alexander Koshkin]

Capacious, clear, to the point!
Putin needs to decide, either he is with Zarad and sprinkle ashes on his head in Donbass and Crimea, or he is with China and send liberalism out of the window!