"For the first time in a fighter will be young Frau": German press about the appearance of women in the Russian Air Force

The reports of the domestic press about the imminent appearance in Russia of pilots who control fighters were positively received in the German media.

And here are the first female fighter pilots in Russia. They have been absent from the Russian Air Force since the end of World War II. This will change soon: women are studying for the first time at the military aviation school in Krasnodar and have received appropriate training.

- this is welcome news on the pages of Flug Revue.

At the same time, it is indicated that female work in this area has long been commonplace in the West. In the United States, girls have been flying fighters since the early 1990s, while in Germany it has long been a tradition to have women in Eurofighter cockpits.

Gender is secondary, only performance matters. In Russia, everything is still different: here is a combat aviation was a purely male area since the end of World War II, during which women also served as fighter pilots

- explained in the publication.

As noted, "now this order will not last long":

Among those who successfully completed training at the aviation school for the first time this year, there are young Frau

However, as the Flug Revue points out, most of the girls will pursue careers in military transport aviation.

Comments

[Finches]

What does first mean? Our "Frau" of your partaigenosse were notoriously landed 75 years ago! Let not in fighters - but you were very lucky then! Mine doesn’t need any fighter, any bomber will go off like that, if something is not on it, but give me a fighter - I don’t even know where NATO aviation will be pinching, staffed by gay and lesbian pilots!

[mvg]

any bomber will go for it, if something is not for her

Ask your Frau not to hit you on the head with a frying pan anymore .. it does not affect for the better.

[Finches]

Were you a witness or did you just want to show off your phrase?

[Guardian of the walls]

Zyablitsev, your patriotism and pride are commendable, but without knowledge of history they turn into a laughing stock. The score of air victories in the Soviet-German was, alas, not in our favor ...

[Finches]

It doesn’t matter, it’s important that it was not they who landed, but we entered Berlin - this is history!

[Finches]

Connoisseurs of history came running looking! All air, sea and land battles were won by the Germans, but why did the Reichstag fall, and not the Kremlin? This is the wrong story drawn by "Mosfilm"

[Guardian of the walls]

As a result, the Germans lost ground battles, but for the sake of objectivity, being in the overwhelming minority. They lost battles in the air and at sea, but not to us, we have nothing to brag about in these areas. The ground forces of Germany were ground by ours, and the air and naval forces were ground by our allies. This is the truth.

[Finches]

The truth in life is only one - the USSR ground the German Reich in all respects: military, economic, political ... This is a fact that you can question as much as you like, but it will not change!

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Guardian of the Walls

As a result, the Germans lost ground battles, but for the sake of objectivity, being in the overwhelming minority. They lost battles in the air and at sea, but not to us, we have nothing to brag about in these areas. The ground forces of Germany were ground by ours, and the air and naval forces were ground by our allies. This is the truth.

How can ground forces be successful in offensive operations without air support ?!
Please, explain how the allies of the USSR "ground" the Kriegsmarine and "helped" the USSR in the Black and Baltic Seas?

[Guardian of the walls]

And there was no need to help especially in the Black and Baltic Seas. The Kringsmarines did not hold significant forces either in the Black Sea or in the Baltic Sea. Could you name at least one large Kringsmarine ship that was sunk by ours?
PS If anything, "Wilhelm Gustloff" is not called, it was not a combat ship.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Guardian of the Walls

And there was no need to help especially in the Black and Baltic Seas. The Kringsmarines did not hold significant forces either in the Black Sea or in the Baltic Sea. Could you name at least one large Kringsmarine ship that was sunk by ours?
PS If anything, "Wilhelm Gustloff" is not called, it was not a combat ship.

Of course, in your opinion, combat operations in the southern direction (Black Sea) and northern (Baltic) are secondary, the supply of armies by the sea and the supply of raw materials (ore, fuels and lubricants) is not essential in a war?
Name the composition of the Nazi German Navy in the ratio of surface and submarine ships. What, in your understanding, the Kriegsmarine had a "big ship".
What was the successful operation of the British surface forces against the surface warships of Germany in the Atlantic?
Where, in what composition, what naval combat units of the Kriegsmarine were "ground" by the allies?
How much did the English bother with "Tirpitz"? Convoys PQ-16 and PQ-17 were left unaccompanied after receiving intelligence about the exit of a group of warships led by "Tirpitz" ...

[tralflot1832]

If we add up the German statistics of victories, we did not release so many planes. And after the Air battles over the Krasnodar Territory and the Kursk Bulge, the sky came under our control. And we drove them to Berlin. There is a case, on Ile 2, a group of Me 262 was smashed, this is according to recollections Germans themselves. We decided to check how Ily 2 from the front. I don’t know why our historians don’t dig this fact. The Germans themselves confirm this.

[Guardian of the walls]

Kuban, you say? These are the places of aircraft crashes found by search engines. Ours are red, German blue. Very clear. The victorious summer of 1943.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Guardian of the Walls

The ground forces of Germany were ground by ours, and the air forces were ground by our allies. This is the truth.

This is not true, but stupidity from the category of heartburn!

[mvg]

This is the truth

Yes, just read at least something, except for Soviet history textbooks, and Soviet (past the editorial truth) books .. maybe at least some other versions will appear, except WE WON ALL. A person is trying to open your eyes, at least a little, but you are so stubborn that soon not your eyes will open, but your priest will break. I'm for the "Guardian of the Walls"
PS: Answer at least one of his questions with proofs .. You can not on VO, but simply for yourself, for your beloved.
The USSR Navy did not sink a single large warship, I don’t even remember the sunken destroyer. And our torpedo bombers, this is generally unique .. there are options for battles (even in the Soviet edition) when 8 Pe-2 attacked a small sea hunter, and "got off with only a couple of their downed planes, without damaging the" hunter "who had been a fishing schooner before the war This is the real truth.Even after the Boston A-20s came to the fleet, little has changed.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: mvg

WE WON ALL

Well, the whole world knows that the Second World War was won by the Americans with the help of ukrov!

[komandir8]

The Soviet Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets (without the Pacific) and their naval formations in the form of flotillas with all surface ships and boats, submarines, naval and attracted land aviation and mine laying, then throughout the war (from June 22, 1941 to May 09, 1945 years), they all together destroyed the following enemy surface warships of the main classes: the Finnish coastal defense battleship Ilmarinen (blown up by a Soviet minefield) and the German destroyers T3, T5, T10, T18, T31, T34, T36. The destroyed ones need to include surface warships of the so-called "second line" - the German training artillery ship "Hector" (in fact - an armed transport ship, in all Soviet reference books and books it is listed by its former name as "auxiliary cruiser" Orion ", sunk on 04 May 1945 in Swinemünde as a result of Soviet air raids), the German floating anti-aircraft battery "Niobe" (in Soviet publications it appears as a "cruiser" or "air defense cruiser"), the German training torpedo T155 (in all Soviet publications - "destroyer"), Romanian minelayers "Romania" and "Regele Karol I." Here I do not indicate the sunken patrol ships, which were not specially built warships, but were converted and armed fishing trawlers and seiners. The same can be said about the German anti-submarine ships , and about small multipurpose ships of the KFK type.
The outdated German battleship Schlesien (listed among the destroyed in Soviet reference books) and the Romanian destroyer Regele Ferdinand received serious damage from Soviet air strikes.
In addition to surface ships, the Soviets can credit the German submarines U9, U78, U144, U250, U362, U639 and the Italian ultra-small ("dwarf") submarine SV-5, which were reliably destroyed during the Great Patriotic War. With a high degree of probability, the Soviet armed forces sunk the German submarines U286, U344, U387, U585, U679. German submarines U367, U479, U676, U745 were killed for unknown reasons in the zone of operation of the Soviet fleet. As the Soviet ground forces approached the home ports, their crews flooded German submarines U18 (previously damaged by Soviet aviation), U19, U20, U23, U24 (previously damaged by Soviet aircraft), U763 (previously damaged by British aircraft).

[Radius]

Quote: Finches

Connoisseurs of history came running looking! All air, sea and land battles were won by the Germans, but why did the Reichstag fall, and not the Kremlin? This is the wrong story drawn by "Mosfilm"

Yeah, the Germans ... Especially the battles for the sky of the Kuban ... If at the first stage, in April 43, the Germans were still in the lead, then in May 9 June all their aces were landed. As a search engine I will tell you that we have already found almost ALL of their aces at the sites of their aircraft crashes. In the sense that what was left of them was found ... See about the "Kuban Bridgehead" group.

[Guardian of the walls]

Kuban, you say? These are the places of aircraft crashes found by search engines. Ours are red, German blue. Very clear. The victorious summer of 1943.

[El Chuvachino]

We have many places in the war where the score was not in our favor, what does this prove?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Guardian of the Walls

The score of air victories in the Soviet-German was, alas, not in our favor ...

Well, that's how to say it!
German planes were shot down 85,6 thousand, 47,8 thousand of ours, 41,6 thousand amer. At the same time, 34,5 thousand of our pilots were killed, 40 thousand from America, 56,7 thousand from Brits, 57,1 thousand from Germans.

[Guardian of the walls]

Where does this data come from?

[komandir8]

In general, the Luftwaffe lost 28 aircraft irretrievably on the Soviet-German front, and this is the minimum possible reliable data based on German documents. In percentage terms, the losses of the German Air Force on the Soviet-German front were in general about 000-50% in relation to the known irrecoverable losses in all theaters. This figure is correct for the period from June 56, 22 to May 1941.
However, since the end of 1943, the vector of the Luftwaffe's efforts shifted sharply to the west, where German air defense fighters desperately opposed massive Allied air flights. 2/3 of all losses of German aviation in 1944-1945. fell on the western theater of operations.

[Brother_Bg]

Applaud, mvg !!!!
Everything is like in the army - the number and size of stars on shoulder straps does not mean more wisdom at all.

[smart ass]

But my Frau can only blow a bomber jacket in one evening, and so it is not clear what she spent and did not buy anything

[pyagomail.com]

Traditionally, there are male and female professions. Women should not fly fighters. Yes, during the Great Patriotic War there were women pilots, tankmen, snipers, but that was such a time. If you really want to, let them fly on passenger planes and VTA. Not because they will not cope, it is just necessary to feel sorry for them and take care of them.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

And if, because of the ban on female pilots, we end up with mediocre male pilots? And Kozhedub in a skirt, relatively speaking, will fly passengers to carry, instead of increasing the power of the Russian Aerospace Forces? It is necessary to look according to ability, not gender. The best of the best men should serve in fighter aircraft, not the best of the best men.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

It is not clear why the Germans are happy: there will probably not be women in large numbers in Russian fighters and the Air Force. And the fact that they decided to see and the best girls were allowed, I think not bad: in Russia / USSR there were traditionally military pilots. Although this was terribly disliked by many men. Either they fear mediocrity, or snobbery.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It is not clear why the Germans are happy: there will probably not be women in large numbers in Russian fighters and the Air Force. And the fact that they decided to see and the best girls were allowed, I think is not bad. Although this was terribly disliked by many men. Either they fear mediocrity, or snobbery.

Well, women fly into space, albeit a little here, and an astronaut is an even more complicated profession than a fighter pilot. In the United States, by the way, there are women destroyer commanders, in our country this is generally from the category of fantasy.

[URAL72]

I don't think that the profession of an astronaut is more complicated than a fighter pilot. You can fly into space automatically. MCC will always help. The reaction time is not right. And as for the destroyer commander, we have so few of them, we need to take care. And yes, we had women on jet fighters. Savitskaya even set world records on 3 types, incl. MiG-25.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: URAL72

You can fly into space automatically. MCC will always help. The reaction time is not right.

The reaction does not solve anything, now air battles are taking place at long and medium distances, a cannon battle is unlikely, it is necessary that both fighters run out of missiles, and two fighters will never fight one on one, at least a flight or squadron will operate. It is also unlikely to evade the rocket by maneuvering, you will not get away from 2+ missiles, you will only lose speed.

[URAL72]

Who was talking about air combat? I hinted more at the failure of technology, difficult landing conditions. And in long-range combat, a reaction is also needed, - he hesitated, - count downed. You can't let the enemy fire the missiles first.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: URAL72

Who was talking about air combat? I hinted more at the failure of technology, difficult landing conditions. And in long-range combat, a reaction is also needed, - he hesitated, - count downed. You can't let the enemy fire the missiles first.

The refusal of technique depends more on training than on reaction. Because there is no time to think during an emergency situation, you act on automatism. Difficult conditions are not so difficult for a modern fighter. Read an interview with Hero of Russia test pilot Bogdan. In it, he says that the same Su-35 is easy to land, but when, after the Su-35, he moved to the Su-27, he had an idea how he would sit on it. In long-range combat, too, the reaction does not mean anything, this is not formula 1, the warning signal sounded about irradiation in a combat situation, you act according to the instructions. At ranges of air combat of about 100 kilometers, another second does not solve anything.

[URAL72]

At ranges of air combat of about 100 kilometers, another second does not solve anything. "

If a rocket with an active head, then it may not solve, and if not, then by destroying an enemy aircraft you deprive it of control of the rocket. Read about the battles of the Su-27 Ethiopia with the MiG-29 of Eritrea. Again, modern radars are capable of tracking 20 targets, and although the on-board computer detects the most dangerous ones, you still have to choose. Women are more likely to hesitate and reflect. They are even more accurate and cautious drivers, experts say. But they have a lot of accidents - they are indecisive, think for a long time, fall into a stupor.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: URAL72

If a rocket with an active head, then it may not solve, and if not, then by destroying an enemy aircraft you deprive it of control of the rocket. Read about the battles of the Su-27 Ethiopia with the MiG-29 of Eritrea.

The potential enemy has no such missiles left. Basically everywhere with an active gsn.

Quote: URAL72

and although the on-board computer determines the most dangerous ones, you still need to choose

You do not need to choose anything, if the on-board computer selects the most dangerous ones, the choice has already been made by the computer, the pilot only needs to launch the missiles. The computer and the algorithm for determining dangerous targets were not invented by fools, you need to follow the recommendations, and not reinvent the wheel.

Quote: URAL72

They are even more accurate and cautious drivers, experts say. But they have a lot of accidents - they are indecisive, think for a long time, fall into a stupor.

You bring an average woman, but the average woman will not be a pilot, you need to go through a serious selection, including a psychological one.

[URAL72]

The potential enemy has no such missiles left. Basically everywhere with an active gsn.

They have a lot of such missiles. And more broadly, we can meet fighters from Ukraine, Turkey, Azerbaijan. It cannot be ruled out that tomorrow we will find ourselves in Venezuela, Angola, Libya. China is also a dubious ally. We can both face Iran and end up at its base, covering Bushehr, for example. In the world, contradictions are growing, you will have to act tough.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: URAL72

They have a lot of such missiles.

The USA does not use them, maybe they remained in warehouses. But you need to understand that the United States will use AWACS aircraft, as well as an overwhelming numerical superiority in the air.
Even if we assume that the United States uses missiles with a semi-active seeker, then most likely the weapons are being modernized and the destruction of the fighter that launched the missile cannot stop the missile itself, it may well be another fighter of a flight or squadron or an AWACS aircraft to illuminate the target.

[abrakadabre]

You bring the average woman, but the average woman will not go to the pilots.

The average man also does not go to the pilot. For men there, as it were, too, the most severe selection. Accordingly, the average level of male pilots will still be higher than the average level of female pilots.
This is if you do not take the regular, once a month, hormonal and, accordingly, psychological and physical instability. There are examples of tragic incidents as a result of this. Alas and ah.
In the VTA - please, in fighters and interceptors - an extremely dubious decision. Without detracting from the fact that sometimes, by the piece, a female pilot can be cooler than the average male pilot.
These are phenomena of the same order as separate competitions for women and men in professional sports - maximum loads on the verge of physical and psychological endurance. And sometimes beyond.
So the phenomenon will not become widespread.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Well, women fly into space, albeit a little here, and an astronaut is an even more complicated profession than a fighter pilot.

In a fighter, unlike a Mars mission, there is no need to breed.

[mvg]

Well, women fly into space, even if we have a little

Not anymore. And a bright representative is Tereshkova. Failed the assignment, and then became a deputy ... to engage in a rectiling podliz. After her, there were no women (Russians) in space. Now, it seems (I could be wrong), there is one female astronaut. But there is a beast ..

[Jack sklo]

Of course not! And Savitskaya, where did you go. By the way, unlike some others, she has not lost her honor and conscience!

[vadim dok]

Remember the magnificent test pilot and simply an excellent pilot, and then the magnificent cosmonaut S.E. Savitskaya!

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

In the United States, by the way, there are women destroyer commanders, in our country this is generally from the category of fantasy.

But we have had women admirals for a long time, and only for the financial part, which is called never going to sea. For some reason this seems like a dubious achievement.

[smart ass]

Why did you attack the Japanese fleet ?! Maybe you yourself then attack who you need if you are so smart ?!

[dauria]

Although this was terribly disliked by many men. Either they fear mediocrity, or snobbery.

Yes, I didn't like it. And the reason for the appearance. After all, this is probably a whim of some "daughter" and her dad. Well, for the extras they also picked up really from the simple ones.
But I will not envy the commander of the unit where this daughter goes.

[hagen]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Although this was terribly disliked by many men. Either they fear mediocrity, or snobbery.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, a woman driving a car caused surprise. This is practically the norm today. So it is in aviation. In those forms, where physiologically the female organism will maintain the rhythm of combat work on a par with the male one.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

It is necessary to look according to ability, not gender.

Including in terms of physical capabilities ... such a pilot will fly during a two-month pregnancy. overload, bang and miscarriage ... again, menstruation and overload are not very combined ... You need to take care of the continuators of the human race. not torture.

[abrakadabre]

such a pilot will fly during a two-month pregnancy. overload, bam and miscarriage ...

I apologize for the cynicism, but in a fight, a miscarriage in such a situation is nothing. But pain, bleeding and weakness at the time of such, with the loss of concentration on the surrounding situation, can already cost life. Not only to the pilot himself, but also, for example, to the master / slave or the protected object.

again, menstruation and overload are not very compatible ...

Sovseovim do not match. Even if pumped up with painkillers. From overloads and reduced pressure in the cabin (at the level of 2-3 thousand meters above sea level), bleeding is likely to increase sharply. The level of blood loss can become critical for combat performance.
I know a story when a woman was twisted during a climb because of her period at a high altitude. Result: loss of insurance at the right time, breakdown and partner-corpse. The woman was by no means a beginner. So these are much more benign conditions. After all, one can refrain from climbing on such days. And who will look at it in combat conditions? Especially if the OBD is of high intensity. Or during the duty of air defense interceptors.

You need to protect the continuers of the human race. not torture

Truly. Amen!

[voyaka uh]

"Traditionally, there are male and female professions" ///
---
Traditions are changing. The professions of teacher and doctor for hundreds of years have been strictly
"traditionally" male.

[Finches]

You there in the "civilized" West no longer have such a concept of man and woman, there is the concept of parent N 1 and parent N 2 - God forbid Russia will live to see this! Not a nuclear war to ruin humanity, but the Western tolerance of the brain, coupled with fascist liberalism and the complete degradation of human morality!

[Saxahorse]

Quote: voyaka uh

Traditions are changing.

But the fragility of the female body is almost the same. Even despite the abundance of freshly baked bodybuilders on YouTube.

[cniza]

No, let our women be women, mothers, keepers of the hearth ...

[Pete mitchell]

It's like kirhen, kinder, kitchen - a great plan for lovely ladies. It is not a business for a woman to engage in war, it is not a business ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Traditionally, there are male and female professions" ///
---
Traditions are changing. The professions of teacher and doctor for hundreds of years have been strictly
"traditionally" male.

It is quite possible that psychologists again say that men and women manifest themselves in different ways when you need to focus on one main task and give out the maximum there and another task where you need to keep in mind several processes that are not so complicated, but the main thing is not to miss one of them. Well, they even highlight the features of visual perception (tunnel vision)

Maybe now the process of completing a combat mission is moving, according to the number of factors, processes

from hunting-fight with a tiger (when tasks change, but at each moment one priority and main one can be distinguished)

to cooking borscht when you need to control and manage several processes stretched over time.
Moreover, each of the processes does not require high involvement but constant attention.

And a little to the side of the topic, now with the development of the UAV topic, groups of virtual pilots will be created, most likely in such a group there can easily be women, or it may turn out that they will make up the majority there. They can recruit pure gamers there who have never really piloted an airplane, people with combat experience. Real combat pilots are definitely needed for a more complete understanding of the tasks, capabilities, and interaction. Someone should control the gamers)
Perhaps some of these girls will lead such groups.

[vadim dok]

But even Khrushchev FORBIDDEN women to work in mines underground!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

Traditionally, there are male and female professions.

Overload. Monstrous overloads on fighters. Will they really not have an impact on the girl's body?
There and men are not suitable for everyone. And the effect of overloading affects the pilots as well.

[URAL72]

Monstrous overloads on fighters. Will they not have an impact on the girl's body? "

There are women in Russian villages; not every horse will stop you at a gallop! In my opinion, in peacetime, they save the airframe's resource and are not allowed to reach maximum overloads. I think the military doctor himself will determine how much is possible for them. But in general, now the eyes are more important than maneuverability.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: URAL72

... In general, now the eyes are more important than maneuverability.

What eyes? Radars for hundreds of kilometers can see the OLS at 80, in my opinion. Rather, operator skills ... But nobody canceled maneuvers and overloads.

[URAL72]

If we are talking about the maneuverability of the car, then the "eyes" do not mean the pilot ... So you are right, but not careful.

[vadim dok]

A woman can be great in military transport aviation!

[mole]

Here, to be honest, not every peasant can cope with overloads, but here are women. Purely window dressing, prop exhaust. photos and "applause" of the West.

[Lisa90]

This is their choice. It will be even worse for them in the army. All attention will be on them. Their slightest mistakes will be examined under a microscope. They are Well done !!

[out of habit]

Military transport "night witches"?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: out of habit

Military transport "night witches"?

Times are changing, progress is making, and witches are now around the clock.

[Thrifty]

"War does not have a woman's face" - we need to develop an army according to this axiom! At parades, on shows, let women show themselves, in battle a man must defend the country and these women-pilots, fight so that they do not have to join the battle!

[Ruslan Sulima]

The only way!

[knn54]

Achtung, es gibt Nachthexen am Himmel.

[Luty]

When they approve of something over the hill, then you should not relax and not be happy about it.

[Joker62]

Quote: knn54

Achtung, es gibt Nachthexen am Himmel.

"Beware, there are night witches in the sky."
And a complete sabbath ...

[Palestinian]

maybe in RUSSIA it will pass ... in Europe they will see the guts wound on the PVD and immediately lose their fighting spirit ..... though .....

[Well done]

And nothing good will come of it. Let the feminists minus me, but I'm sure it won't work! Evolution has put everything in its place. Men should die in wars and on YouTube, while women’s task is to breed and multiply, and I didn’t say that.

[KLV]

... to be fruitful and multiply, and that's what I said.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Welldone

And nothing good will come of it. Let the feminists minus me, but I'm sure it won't work! Evolution has put everything in its place. Men should die in wars and on YouTube, while women’s task is to breed and multiply, and I didn’t say that.

You are even more radical than feminists, only with a different sign.
You declare that men should only be engaged in war, and, say, a builder or an engineer do not fall under your definition.

For women you only have to give birth i.e. any other kind of activity in tasks is not, i.e. it is not destiny for women to be a teacher or medical workers or simply to get an education above the primary one. for is not part of her task.

Some radical Islamic movements are promoting this.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Gender is primary. If mine, I apologize to the women, but I can't say more precisely, a woman will go to fight, and I will sit and praise her, then what kind of man am I?

[Well done]

Definitely !!!

[rocket757]

All the same, fighter aviation has its own physiological limitations, not every man can tolerate them normally.
All this must be clearly understood and regulated.

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

All the same, fighter aviation has its own physiological limitations, not every man can tolerate them normally.
All this must be clearly understood and regulated.

As it is not entirely correct, but time dictates its own ...

[rocket757]

Time, of course, dictates all sorts of things, but it also puts everything in its place.
Wait and see.

[Prisoner]

The Germans did not seem to have heard of Marina Popovich and Svetlana Protasova. Although our women fighters who fought in the Great Patriotic War, it seems, have not been forgotten. "They have been absent from the Russian Air Force since the end of World War II." (from)

[usr01]

I treat women very well ... BUT!
What successes have women achieved in motorsport? BUT??? And this is the BEST!
(I'm not saying what they do on the roads ... Men are doing (almost) the same thing now ...)
And why are they holding separate competitions in chess-checkers, shooting, etc ...
There is no need to run-drag-fight ...
(Right now, gender-correct feminists will rivet cons ...)

[Vladimir61]

Quote: usr01

I treat women very well ... BUT! What successes have women achieved in motorsport? BUT??? And this is the BEST!

And you look at the website of the Russian Federation of Aircraft Sports and find out that Kapanina Svetlana (Moscow) is a seven-time absolute world champion, in the same row Elena Klimovich (Mytishchi), Lyubov Nemkova, Natalya Sergeeva. In 15 world championships in all-around, 10 years old, our athletes did not allow anyone to climb the highest podium!

[usr01]

Well done girls !!!
Nona Terentyevna Gaprindashvili - international grandmaster, honored master of sports, multiple world champion, USSR, first winner of the Oscar chess prize, among women
Svetlana Vladimirovna Capanina - seven-time absolute world champion in women's competition
It's the same in rallies, roundabouts, at Dakar ... in the end ... female credit!
In Formula 1 in the 70s, a woman started in three or five races ... (? That's me from memory ..) ~ 7-10 years ago BMW tried to put a girl behind the wheel ... but they don't pull ... (expensive pleasure Formula, result is more important than feminism!)
A fighter plane will be more expensive than F-1 ... But a chessboard with pieces for chess will be cheap ... Maybe we can start with this? And "rally is not chess, you have to think about it !!!" (from)

[cat Rusich]

Quote: usr01

And why are they holding separate competitions in chess-checkers, shooting, etc ...
There is no need to run-drag-fight ...

Nona Terentyeva Gaprindashvili in 1978 received the title grandmaster

[Azimuth]

All the girls study at the Krasnodar School, but it's not a fact that everyone will get into combat aviation, but it's a pity. The fact is that the first set was not entirely competitive, and the sensible girls got in, of course, but the "daughters" were also stuck in, that no dad, then stripes. If the practice of admitting girls continues, after the first hype there will be more real candidates and sense.
We have less and less intelligent and comprehensively educated people, so the female population of the country is a huge resource for our Armed Forces.
From my own experience - I am FOR, let not only fly. There will be more sense from many than from those who have just indicated "male" in the column.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I support! I go to the gym and noticed that young guys are very poorly developed physically. The shoulders are narrow. Little hands. But the bellies are already beer. How are they going to serve in the army ?! There the foremen and sergeants will kill them. They will write to mothers: ,, Mommy, take me out of here ,,? ...))

[Sands Careers General]

In Russia, everything is still different: here combat aviation was a purely male area

Nonsense, last year I watched a flight of Valkyries over the Musical District in Krasnodar. The girls passed the exams))

[fif21]

They don't know Savitskaya and Popovich!

[Saxahorse]

I see no reason to rejoice at the next victory of tolerance over common sense. The fighter is, first of all, the maximum overload in the Air Force. Not every day, but just in real combat, you will need to squeeze the maximum possible. Where a man can wriggle out, a woman is more likely to die. For example, you can recall the landing of the Soyuz spacecraft along a non-standard trajectory (yes, an emergency, which is already there ..), both men survived, but the third crew member, a foreign Frau astronaut, received serious spinal injuries.

I hope that in reality this idea of ​​women fighters will be limited to beautiful ostentatious pictures. I like women alive and healthy more ..

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Saxahorse

I see no reason to rejoice at the next victory of tolerance over common sense. The fighter is, first of all, the maximum overload in the Air Force. Not every day, but just in real combat, you will need to squeeze the maximum possible. Where a man can wriggle out, a woman is more likely to die. For example, you can recall the landing of the Soyuz spacecraft along a non-standard trajectory (yes, an emergency, which is already there ..), both men survived, but the third crew member, a foreign Frau astronaut, received serious spinal injuries.

I hope that in reality this idea of ​​women fighters will be limited to beautiful ostentatious pictures. I like women alive and healthy more ..

It is not known how widespread this practice is, perhaps singularly at the level of exceptions.
Again, the article assumes that not fighters, but mainly transport aircraft, and there, as a rule, there is more than one pilot.
Maybe a mixed group will complement each other better.

[Ruslan Sulima]

I like women alive and healthy more ..

What the conversation is about. It is necessary to love and protect them! Although at times they have to carry such loads, both in life and pulling out the wounded. But one thing, a woman is born to give birth, not to kill

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Meanwhile, in Germany, the opposite is true. Men turn into "young Frau" And women are "engaged" - Arabs.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

"For the first time in a fighter will be young Frau": German press about the appearance of women in the Russian Air Force

firstly, they checked the stamp in the passport, maybe even quite fraulein
and secondly, it is not for the Germans to write about it

[isv000]

"For the first time in a fighter will be young Frau": German press about the appearance of women in the Russian Air Force

The Germans have a bit of a memory: back in October 1941, it was decided to form female aviation units, including a fighter regiment ...

[decimalegio]

The topic of women soldiers in the military is a topic that is shared by both public opinion and experts in the sector: women with stars have been found to be a more or less permanent presence, albeit with different tasks over time, starting with World War II ... In all armies around the world, we remember that this is always a percentage that fluctuates between 10 and 30 × 100 of the total. In Italy, there are now 7 percent of women. So those who reach combat units are always in the minority, but recently there have been some doubts about their use in combat roles on the front lines. There are times when technological evolution negates the distinction between the sexes, however, if we look at what is happening elsewhere, where there is a longer tradition of female soldiers in the FFAA, we have to admit that, after all, even the most complex training (for example, special units) cannot compensate for psychophysical gender limitations. In one camp, I appreciate the female uniformed staff, the police, when it comes to dealing with certain issues, they are much better.

[on it]

In VTA with interference or in GA. For the Air Force, a waste of money and resources. A lot of money is spent on the preparation of drugs. It takes years to gain experience, but here I got married, maternity leave with all that it implies. In Soviet times, I came across such "generals" offspring, although there were, of course, exceptions.

[Moreno]

My niece is finishing her second year at the Krasnodar Flight School. She said that she would be the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.

[decimalegio]

Best wishes for this dream of yours

[Osipov9391]

Maximum BTA or helicopters. Of course, it's early for these girls to join fighter aviation. At least for now. Even the Su-27SM or Su-30M2 are quite complex combat aircraft in terms of electronics and systems.
There are circumstances that you need to react immediately. It is impossible to learn everything in school - you need years of training and experience with aviation technology, equipment, electronics, rescue systems.
And you also need to find masks, helmets and costumes for the girls, which will be oh, how difficult it is to do. They are designed for men. And if, for example, the hose for sealing the lantern bursts at a high altitude, the VKK will press on everything, oh, how painful it is and oxygen will go into the mask under pressure. And we must not lose control of the plane in this situation.
And what does Kapanina say? She is against it. This is what we need to listen to. Although they wanted to make a tester with it, something did not grow together in the OKB with this.

[atk44849]

and the night witches?

[Popandos]

And ours are still more beautiful, and they will fly more beautifully.
IMHO

[Photon]

I fully admit that women can fight and risk their lives. Only now I can’t admit that men can risk the lives of women. How did our pilots fight? Probably all the same not with men. Male primates are characterized by the care and protection of females and cubs. And it works at the level of the limbic system, i.e. at the level of instincts. How to carry out a combat mission at the same time? What do Western military psychologists say about this?

[ver_]

..doesn't like overloading a female * unit * you can bleed out in a swoop ..

[Plufik]

Quote: out of habit

Military transport "night witches"?

And who agrees to become the husband of these "night witch", who will equip the house while she is stuck in Elizovo for an indefinite period? And how can the crew be when the PKK is on maternity leave, the position is occupied, you can't dismiss it, who should the VRIO PPK pretend to be. And how to make up a combat calculation for half a year, taking into account "all" possible events?
Absolutely "FOR" the use of girls in the office work of any service, in the rear, medicine, educational, educational work, meteorological, communications, flight management. But thank you, just not the technical or flight crew.