When you don't have your own - everything is a headache

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When you don't have your own - everything is a headache


Problems in the military-industrial complex are indeed a hefty headache for a country that has its own military-industrial complex. When not, there are no problems here, announce procurement tenders, bump your heads against different manufacturers and choose what is acceptable and profitable for you in terms of price / quality ratio.



But here we get not very pleasant moments.

First, you need to have money. Moreover, real and immediately. Well, or almost immediately, you can agree with a loan or an installment plan.

Secondly, you feed foreign citizens with this money. And then they want to eat their own in full. Plus, do not forget about the political moments. For example, Ukraine has ceased to be friends with Russia, and now there are problems with the maintenance and repair of combat aircraft. Big ones. There is nowhere for theirs and no one to serve them, what can we say about strangers ...

However, the scandal with the Croatian MiG-21bis amused everyone in 2018. "Not bit, not beautiful, one owner, I swear by my mother!" - that's exactly about the Ukrainians.

But now we will look at the other end of the world, where there is a country that, it seems, should not have had such problems, but they nevertheless do exist.

Oddly enough, we will talk about China.


It would seem: a space power, develops and builds modern military equipment, and so on. Yes, that's right. And there are design bureaus, and there are factories. But there are also nuances.

We will not touch the Chinese ones now. Tanks and ships, these are generally separate songs, but let's talk about airplanes.


The Chinese army has planes. And with their release everything seems to be fine, but ... But there is a problem. And it is in the engines.

Only a fool would argue that China is developing quite modern aircraft. In general, this country has made a huge leap forward in development. Some 50 years ago, who could have said that China would master not only the production, but also the development of its own tanks, aircraft and ships? Yes, with the help from the outside, "distorting" everything that is possible, but it is difficult here only first.

And there is nothing wrong with copying and borrowing. Our first strategic bomber was also not quite a Tu-4, but very much even a B-29. Until the nut. Nothing, it was easier further.

Therefore, no one makes a secret of the fact that virtually all Chinese developments in aviation - these are the fruits of borrowing from other countries, and not always with their consent. Many "helped", and, for example, we - and without quotes. They just helped with drawings and technologies. The Ukrainians also helped when they sold the "Varyag" with "accidentally" lying around in the holds of the Su-33 ... Many people helped.

Well, the Chinese intelligence should be applauded. Well done. They know how to work.

But the main problem is that aviation is a very complex thing. And not everything there can be simply taken and stuffed into a copier. Alas. For example, jet engines.

After all, it came to the ridiculous. China has long offered its planes to its neighbors in the region. Yes, very good avionics. Good performance characteristics. And the price is just a masterpiece. Well, like everything Chinese. But the trouble is - buyers refuse. They say - put Russian engines - we'll tear them off with our hands. And with yours somehow there is no desire.

There is a problem with Chinese engines. Although they say (the Chinese themselves, it is true) that in terms of performance characteristics they are quite good and "in no way inferior" to either Russian or American, but there is a problem. This is a motor resource. It is so low that it is possible to operate such aircraft ... China. Because these engines can be stamped like "Cherry Tiggo" and even more. And change like gloves.

But for money, but in another country ... No, not profitable.

After all, an airplane, like a tank, especially one bought for real money, should not break down at all. In theory, of course.

That is why Chinese manufacturers have a problem, and this problem is purely technological. And it lies solely in the lack of the necessary experience and knowledge of Chinese engineers.

For example, in the production of turbine blades.


It would seem what a simple thing, but no! It is this “simple” component that is the stumbling block for the Chinese. Doesn't come out of the copier normally, even if you crack.

It's technology, yes. If there were a plant on the territory of the PRC, it would be easier. You know, as soon as Canon built a lens manufacturing plant in China, so very quickly the same factory, but Yongnuo, stood across the road. And a lens from Canon, say, 50 mm costs 10 thousand rubles, and "the same", but Yongnuo - 6,5. And you can't tell how they were assembled on the same conveyor.

But, for example, lenses with a variable focal length in the PRC are not yet made. Is it clear why? Do not know how.

It's the same with engines. Do not know how. And the partners, neighbors, allies, who know how, but do not want to share, are to blame for this. For example, Russia.

Yes, Russia does not want to share the secrets of the AL-31F production. Buy, gentlemen, a Su-35 with these engines, and you will be happy. No - well, you have a WS-10C. Which is "no worse".

In fact, it is much worse in terms of the resource. And for some reason their J-16 fighter with this engine is good for everyone compared to the Su-35. Except for range and reliability.

Indeed, the J-16 is a fine Generation 4 aircraft with tons of goodies.


Avionics, radars, navigation, everything is beautiful. Except for the engine. And all the work that the Chinese engineers did on the Su-30MKI went downhill. Corkscrew.

It is precisely the technologies that are needed that will make it possible to make engines manufactured in the PRC really no worse than Russian or American ones. But here it is obvious that the entire structure responsible for new developments for the PLA lacks basic experience and knowledge.

Meanwhile, the problem is also affecting the Chengdu J-20, the fighter of tomorrow. The Great Dragon is a really beautiful plane. In reality, an indicator that China will soon be able to claim to declare itself as a country capable of developing and selling world-class military equipment.

And the situation with the J-20 is about the same as we have with the Su-57. The engine is there, but ... but it's still the same WS-10, albeit an upgraded one. Because the WS-15, on which the entire calculation for the J-20 was based, did not just fail the tests, but with special effects.


Yes, the explosion of the engine during ground tests showed that the WS-15 is frankly unreliable, and Chinese engineers have not yet been able to solve this problem. On the one hand, the problem is simple: “insufficient quality control of monocrystalline turbine blades”.

I'm sure the Chinese have control over everything. And the gaps in something else, that they simply did not learn how to grow monocrystals of the required quality. Technology in all its glory.

It is the quality that is how they know how to grow monocrystals in China. The only question is the technological level of the crystal, and hence the durability of the blades, which are made of monocrystalline tubes.

However, we will definitely talk about pipes separately, the topic is worth it.

Considering the eternal problems of China with its neighbors (which was shown well by the demonstration of fangs with India) and the sending of the J-20 as a demonstration somewhere in the Himalayas and on the coast, closer to Japan, the rate on this plane becomes clear. Hence, there is simply a fierce need for a reliable and powerful engine. Which China does not yet have.

It is clear that Chinese enterprises and organizations of a corresponding nature are working on the problem day and night, but here time is playing against our neighbors.

And there is little that can be done quickly. Yes, China has succeeded in copying and improving what was copied, but here we have a dead end. If, at the level of engineers and designers that China has today, it was possible to simply copy Russian technologies based on the same Su-30, the Chinese would certainly do this as quickly and clearly as possible.


But there is such a level of technology that alas. I must say that the Yakovlev Design Bureau faced about the same problem at one time, when the Americans did not share the technology for baking the wing for the MC-21. And the "domestic" liner got up without an American wing.

For three years a group of engineers has been sitting in Voronezh at VASO and transferring tons of resin, thickeners and hardeners together with kilowatts, trying to achieve the desired result. But so far there is no wing and it is not clear when it will be.

This is a delicate matter. There are too many factors at play. Therefore, the Chinese developers also fail.

Well, why our people are not eager to share is also understandable. Neighbors, allies are today. And how it will turn out tomorrow is not clear. So the pipeline is great, voting in the UN is also great, but the technology of baking turbine blades is better to be held back.

Therefore, Russia prefers to impose the purchase of its best engines inside its own aircraft. It is both more expensive and makes copying difficult. Anyway, who said that the ability to copy and the ability to create something new are one and the same?

Meanwhile, Shenyang WS-10, which seems to be "no worse" than AL-31F, what is it? This is a copy of the US-French CFM56 engine, which in turn is a further development of the General Electric F101 engine developed for the B-1 Lancer. It's a good engine that has been worn by bombers since 1970.

And CFM56 can't be a bad engine. Since 1982, he has not lifted anyone into the sky. But how much better their Chinese copy of WS-10 is, you know, that is another question. And the fact that the Chinese claim that it is no worse than the AL-31F ... Well, in general, you can say anything you want. We also say that the Sukhoi Superjet is a Russian aircraft, but in reality everything is somewhat different.

So it's not enough to copy the drawings. It is necessary to know even before rivet what is made of what and to be able to repeat it. An aircraft engine is a very difficult thing, I repeat. It is not for nothing that only four countries (USA, Russia, Great Britain and France) can produce aircraft engines from the beginning to the end of the technological chain. Yes, China claims to be the fifth country. But for this it is necessary to overcome a number of problems, which will have to kill a lot of time and brains.

China will continue to strive to solve its problems by all available methods. From honest buying to outright espionage. This is understandable, this is normal. But honestly, it will not always work out, this is confirmed by the facts. For example, the United States through its channels thwarted the deal of the Chinese state-owned company Skyrizon to acquire a controlling stake in the Ukrainian Motor Sich.

The developments of Motor Sich could be of great use to the Chinese, but ... not everyone in the world wants to observe the same Chinese aircraft on the market.


So it remains to do everything in our power to bring the WS-15 to condition, install it on the J-20, and then, perhaps, this aircraft will be able to compete (as the Chinese claim) with the F-22 and F-35. But this will have to solve the problems with single crystals and complex operations associated with metal processing.

But the biggest problem is that with China today (and tomorrow), hardly anyone wants to share technological secrets. The costs of a big policy based on the over-entrepreneurial spirit of the Chinese copying everything.
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  2. +21
    14 June 2021 06: 55
    The author is certainly right, but damn it ... I chased the same thing in the article three times in a circle))
  3. +4
    14 June 2021 07: 19
    Thank you, Roman, for the article. In general, everything is very logical and convincing. Technology is the alpha and omega of technical progress. Those industries in which technologies were shared with China at one time are developing at an enormous pace. Thus creating competition for those who shared.
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  5. +11
    14 June 2021 07: 24
    Roman, on the wing on Mc21, more precisely on the coating, you are wrong, because it has long been said that the problem is in creating a nano-coating of the glue base, and the wing itself is ready. But, without this glue, speaking directly, it makes no sense to make a wing, and our coating that we can create is expensive due to foreign components, they have not yet learned how to make their own. And, the second question, how do you know that Chinese planes are wonderful, of high quality, and in general, ours are not close? The Chinese have classified any information on even insignificant accidents in their aviation, it is given in dosage, to create the appearance of transparency and democracy. But, in reality, they have a lot more problems with aviation technology than you are told, and planes fall regularly. So, you are inadvertently misleading us.
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      1. 0
        14 June 2021 14: 02
        The Indians seemed to have complaints primarily about the stealthiness of the Su-57, and the lack of readiness of the second stage engine.
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      2. -10
        14 June 2021 21: 11
        And ruddolff turns out to be wrong. From trouble it will be! Erich Hartmann spins around in his coffin a couple of times.
    2. 0
      21 June 2021 01: 02
      Quote: Thrifty
      But, without this glue, speaking directly, it makes no sense to make a wing, and our coating that we can create is expensive due to foreign components, they have not yet learned how to make their own.

      As far as I know, 15 old women were engaged in airplane adhesives in Russia 3 years ago. I don’t think that the number of real specialists has increased since then. The old women lived very poorly, because effective managers managed to rent their company at all tenders of Aeroflot and related structures and at the same time sell these adhesives almost three times more expensive than the old women. To the credit of the old women, they sold glue at a fixed price, even to the KLA, even to a home-builder.
  6. exo
    +1
    14 June 2021 08: 40
    About China, everything is more than true.
    1. -1
      14 June 2021 17: 46
      But the point is that they will cope with their problems completely.
      1. exo
        +6
        14 June 2021 18: 48
        I'm not sure, but I will express my opinion: China rose on the collapse of the USSR (before that, something was built on the basis of the MiG-19; 21) and access to the Western technological base. Where they were not allowed, failure. Moreover, even to steal and buy, it did not work. Now, the West is set up completely differently and access will begin to block. And the Russian Federation, too, is afraid to transfer everything that has been gained. According to conversations with the guys who worked in the defense industry and in other business, talked and were in China, the Chinese are a very uncreative nation. Great plagiarists, but nothing more. Will they be able to change that? I do not know.
        1. +1
          14 June 2021 21: 08
          They say: that the Koreans, that the Japanese, that the Chinese - just perfectly know how to squeeze the maximum out of an idea.
          But the generators of ideas - so far they are somehow dull with this ..
          1. +4
            15 June 2021 11: 21
            Former colleagues went to work for a South Korean company (the Koreans bought out our startup and it became part of the famous Korean superbundle - it starts with C). He himself was a programmer who had to fly to Korea for a week 2 times a year. His stories disappointed me very much in Koreans. They sit and "work" (yes, in quotes) from 8 to 20 and on weekends the same thing, just not in suits but in jeans. They get up from the table only to go to the toilet and have a snack - but labor productivity tends to zero.
            They have a wild fear of making a decision. If the decision is wrong, that's all. This is the culture. So they can't think of anything or solve anything.
            They are great performers, but no creativity.
            The same applies to the Chinese and, attention, to the Hindus.
            You say there are hundreds of thousands of good Indian programmers in the US. And you will be right. This is in the United States, and in India there are millions of programmers, but they cannot develop anything on their own - only carry out the assigned and chewed tasks.
            Even 15 years ago, the entire programming "world" of the West was afraid that all R&D would be transferred to India - after all, it is several times cheaper there - but no, it didn't work. There are many programmers - no sense at all.

            There is a chance for China, India (generally the East) - if the specialists who have worked for years in the West - begin to return to their native countries and try to raise something there according to "Western patterns."
            But there is practically no chance of that either. Who wants to move to Calcutta or Wuhan after Silicon Valley? Vicious circle.

            On the other hand, Japan. Quite an innovative country. The same applies to Taiwan. Taiwan is like Japan, but populated by the Chinese. Another somewhat mentality and worldview. This is a well-known fact. (I personally was there, in Taiwan, and saw it myself - this is my opinion).
  7. +4
    14 June 2021 08: 46
    Why the article? Well, China thrusts into the engines of the attendants, steals a little and in 10 years there will be an acceptable engine. With a resource of money and people. Plus a kick in the ass and China will shoot so that we will buy engines from them.
  8. +14
    14 June 2021 08: 56
    Strange position ... Leaves an ambiguous impression. "The Chinese cannot make monocrystalline turbine blades"... The whole story is built on this! They produce a lot of things, a lot! And high-tech, here is the Lunar rover on the far side of the Moon, and on Mars, the Chinese rover rules! What do they not create and produce ?! In terms of scientific and technical potential, China is already catching up with America and Russia is far behind, for example, in electronics! And here "turbine blades cannot"... So far ... Looking at how they have learned to produce almost everything in some 20-30 years, there is no doubt that they will learn this too! In general, it seems to me that posts like this are intended to raise the well-being of a certain category of readers and nothing more.
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      1. +3
        14 June 2021 11: 06
        And there is. I'm not even sure which of these engines will be brought to exploit first. suitability! In addition, the Chinese have already entered service in 2018 and are producing the J-20, while the Su-57 is still being laid on the stocks. In any case, the J-20 will go to the big series, and whether the planned quantities of the Su-57 will be made in time is still a question ...
        https://topwar.ru/173089-v-kitae-nachalos-serijnoe-proizvodstvo-istrebitelja-pjatogo-pokolenija-j-20v.html
        Series production of the fifth generation fighter J-20B started in China
        The 5th generation Chinese fighter (4th generation according to the Chinese nomenclature) "went into series". Last fall (2019), Chinese media reported the construction of three production lines for the assembly of the J-20 fighter. The first flight of the J-20 prototype took place in 2011, the official demonstration was at the air show in Zhuhai in 2016. In 2018, the J-20 was announced for service with the PLA Air Force.
      2. 0
        14 June 2021 13: 00
        Quote from rudolf
        ... but in our country, too, the Su-57 flies not with what the "doctor ordered", but with what is available. The second stage engine is still being finalized.

        Su-57 will evolve. The first will go with the AL-41, the second stage already with the product 30. And there is nothing "terrible" here. For example, the F-14 was also initially supplied with the "wrong" engine.

        With the engine of the first stage, the Su-57 fulfills the terms of reference, with the product 30 it will do it just better.
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          1. -2
            14 June 2021 14: 14
            Quote from rudolf
            "There is nothing wrong with that" is true for us, then it is exactly the same for the Chinese.

            There are two big differences: the Chinese and the Su-57 fly on a Russian engine. They have no worthy of their own.
            Quote from rudolf
            While the "native" engine is being finalized

            They do not fly their serial on "native", only put on prototypes.
            Quote from rudolf
            then why spend money on a second one?

            Why then develop at all, move forward? Weird question.
            Quote from rudolf
            In particular, on cruising supersonic without afterburner.

            It is not true, even with the first stage engine, the cruising speed of the Su-57 is supersonic without an afterburner. With Product 30 the parameters will be even higher.
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              1. -1
                14 June 2021 16: 31
                Quote from rudolf
                Now he does not have any cruising supersonic ...

                On trials, the Su-57 flew at cruising speed at supersonic speed.
              2. 0
                14 June 2021 21: 05
                Double-check yours.
        2. 0
          15 June 2021 15: 26
          good The f22 pilot in syria did not think much about the resource of the su35 engine when they took him at gunpoint laughing
    2. +2
      14 June 2021 21: 05
      But somehow, in terms of centrifuges for uranium enrichment, they are marking time exactly in the same place where they were placed ..
      It's kind of weird for a technologically advanced country.
    3. 0
      21 June 2021 01: 09
      Quote: pytar
      But "turbine blades cannot" ...

      A few years ago, they didn't know much more. But more recently, the Chinese have mastered the production of metal-cutting machines, now I am testing their PLC, which, according to their assurances, is capable of replacing Delaelectronic and Mitsubishi. And 10-15 years ago, the United States was surprised that the PRC, unlike the USSR, demonstrates a complete inability to catch up with the West in the production of modern weapons.
  9. 0
    14 June 2021 09: 02
    If we call a spade a spade, then the program to create a 5th generation fighter by China has failed, that's all. By the way, the Chinese do not know how, for example, to make jet engines for civilian liners. Only Russia, the USA, Britain and France have the technology.
    1. +1
      14 June 2021 23: 20
      Hello fellow countryman!
      I tried to bring some to mind the same, but a certain "slow-wittedness" of the opponents makes itself felt.
      I wrote to the same rudollf about centrifuges - no, they minus.
      Well this is technology! High speed and ultra high speed rotors. Used both in uranium enrichment and in engines. Exposed to completely interesting influences.
      AND? Where do the Chinese have a breakthrough ?! Netuti ..
      For there is no technology.
      And there will be no engine. There will be only statements-snot: "approached and surpassed!".
      For Rosatom has not even sold the VVER-1200 reactor technology to them, unlike the French with their AREVA, and the amers with their Westinghouses (let it be not remembered by nightfall - Fukushima is in their hands!).
      And wait, the guardians began to scream - de, the Chinese do not use their power unit that way ...
  10. +7
    14 June 2021 09: 13
    I’m afraid in vain. Roman is mocking. It will take 5-10 years and there will be nothing to laugh at. All that remains is to bite your elbows.
  11. +1
    14 June 2021 09: 17
    Yes, China claims to be the fifth country. But for this it is necessary to overcome a number of problems, which will have to kill a lot of time and brains.

    The road will be mastered by the walking ... And China is walking, and not marking time ... Worthy of Respect !!!
  12. +7
    14 June 2021 09: 53
    Roman, and I read an article called
    North American A-5 Vigilante. Bomber and reconnaissance aircraft for the United States Navy
    I thought it was a sinful thing if you either quit your job, or went on vacation, it turns out not ... You continue us rejoice
    The Ukrainians also helped when they sold the "Varyag" with "accidentally" lying around in the holds of the Su-33 ...
    I never really knew that the planes immediately "overwhelm" the aircraft carrier in the construction, this is probably for the plane to immediately adapt to the ship, well, or vice versa. And find out what the Chinese got
    The prototype of the Su-33 (experimental Soviet aircraft T10K-7) was purchased by China from Ukraine,
    who never saw the deck of an aircraft carrier live, and was operated on the NITKA complex, which remained after the collapse of the USSR in Crimea, it was hard to read at least in Wiki ...
  13. +6
    14 June 2021 10: 15
    For three years a group of engineers has been sitting in Voronezh at VASO and transferring tons of resin, thickeners and hardeners together with kilowatts, trying to achieve the desired result. But so far there is no wing and it is not clear when it will be.
    Yes, I think not before you get carried away from your thoughts
    The MS-21 with the Russian wing will take to the skies by the end of this year, "Manturov said. MOSCOW, May 14 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation expects that the domestic MS-21 passenger aircraft with the Russian wing will take to the skies by the end of 2021, said the head of the department Denis Manturov, his words are quoted by the press service of the ministry.
    "Russian composite wing for MS-21 arrived at Irkutsk Aviation Plant... After its installation and installation of all systems, the aircraft will be ready for the start of flight tests. We expect that
    I like this author with his alternative artistic vision ...
  14. +1
    14 June 2021 12: 14

    That is why Chinese manufacturers have a problem, and this problem is purely technological. And it lies solely in the lack of the necessary experience and knowledge of Chinese engineers.

    For example, in the production of turbine blades.
  15. -2
    14 June 2021 12: 26
    The situation with "Motor" is somewhat broader than indicated by the author. And this problem begins in 2005, when Boguslaev wanted to sell the plant to the Russians (there was talk that even Putin might be among the shareholders).
  16. +3
    14 June 2021 16: 42
    Aviation engine leaders General Electric and Pratt Whitney, maybe RR with SAFRAN too. Russia lags behind in civil engines from GE, RR, CFM, in military from PW. China is the last - out of 4,5 countries, it is 0,5 - but there is no doubt that China will catch up and overtake. Human and material resources are very large, and the level of their development is impressive.
    The Russian authorities need to think something, and not stuff their pockets and accounts with interest and ransom money. Ridiculously said, of course. The main goal of those in power - the absolute majority - is to grab assets, money. Therefore, China will catch up. And he will do the scapula. And much more.
  17. +1
    14 June 2021 18: 41
    Quote: Azimut
    Why the article? Well, China thrusts into the engines of the attendants, steals a little and in 10 years there will be an acceptable engine. With a resource of money and people. Plus a kick in the ass and China will shoot so that we will buy engines from them.

    We will not, and do not worry!
    The technology of development does not stand still, but it develops and expands in its global tasks - from military to civilian aircraft and helicopters.
    Selling the latest technologies to competitors is already a state undertaking on the verge of its own sovereignty. There were such moments, ranging from a ravenous cornman and ending with an alcoholic.
    1. 0
      15 June 2021 08: 59
      What new technologies were transferred to competitors under Khrushchev?
  18. 0
    14 June 2021 18: 58
    A fortress cannot be impregnable if a donkey laden with gold can go there. They could not buy the Motor Owl, they will buy the necessary engineers and documentation. This is Ukraine, they will buy it. Naturally, it will be cheaper to buy a Motor Sych with a design bureau and a plant and engineers, it is cheaper in bulk, and it will be bought at retail. If the Chinese were able to establish the release of AFAR, then the engines will do it too. By truth or by crook, they will receive technological documentation, invite a couple of dozen engineers from Russia and Ukraine to work (by giving them salaries of $ 20000 a month.) And that's it. In the 80s, they laughed at Chinese electronics, today no one laughs anymore. The situation with modern engines reminds me of the situation with the Rolls Royce Merlin. Which nobody could copy. Not the USSR (Spitfires, supplied with documentation and motors). nor the Germans (they had trophy engines). Not the Americans. Aircraft mechanics with no less than 20 years of experience were hired to assemble the Rolls Royce Merlin. You can copy Merlin. It is possible to understand what is made of what metal. And without a culture of production it will not fly. Rather, it will be, but the performance characteristics will not be the same. It took the USA TWO years with all those documentation and with British engineers to set up production at the Packard factories. I think China in 5 years at least will catch up with Russia and France in terms of the culture of engine production.
    1. 0
      14 June 2021 21: 19
      The example with Rolls-Royce engines is correct, our example about the turbojet engine is not.
      The difference in the eras.
      But the thought about the succession of personnel and qualifications is very correct, I agree completely, if the thought was just about that.
      "I think so!" (FROM).
  19. Alf
    +3
    14 June 2021 19: 23
    I'm sure the Chinese have control over everything.

    Tell this to the Chinese tankers whose skating rink fell off on the Biathlon.
    Tell this to the Chinese tank crews who broke their tracks on the Biathlon and were told they found shells in the tracks. And this is on EXHIBITION copies, on which every bolt must be shined through, viewed and tried on a tooth.
  20. +1
    14 June 2021 21: 02
    "Foreign spies somehow stole all the documentation, that is, the CD, on the coolest super-duper Russian plane. They collected everything in accordance with the CD. It turned out - a steam locomotive!
    That's the trouble ..
    They did not know that for each suitcase of documentation from the design documentation, a carriage of "notice of changes in the design documentation" is needed!
    Something like this!
    1. +2
      14 June 2021 22: 14
      I heard another option. That is, when 5 times instead of the Fighter it turned out to be a Steam Locomotive, the Pentagon added that there might be something wrong. They invite car mechanic Uncle Yasha from Brighton Beach. At one time he worked at the Kharkov Tank. Uncle Yasha reads the instructions and speaks. "What have you read inattentively? Right there in the instructions it is said - before assembly, each detail must be carefully processed with a file."
  21. 0
    15 June 2021 09: 51
    The illiteracy rate is off the charts. SSJ is a Russian development, like gripene. Composites for MS-21 are not at all for VASO, Rosatom was going to do this, they have their own parallel needs there
    1. +1
      15 June 2021 18: 42
      Why bother with composites for the wing, we can't make plastic out of metal, it has some pluses in addition to the minuses.
  22. -1
    16 June 2021 19: 24
    Well, if China has problems only with engines for jet fighters, then Russia has a problem with engines in general. With everyone. For any technique. Wherever you go, as soon as a new model is made (plane, ship, helicopter), the main problem is immediately - there is no engine that could be put there right away, and not wait years until something from the available one is finished. But the imported ones are found instantly.
  23. +1
    17 June 2021 08: 21
    author you are behind the times. wing made and already tested.
    So. that have consumed tons of resin nonsense.
    but what to do with our rear, with the 5th enemy column, we really do not know, and in the whole world too. our women poured out for mating in Turkey, Egypt, often forgetting their small children in the rooms, spending nights under other people's men. and my husband can be drunk. and under someone else's. write about it. but about China is not necessary. we already know we will fight ...
  24. wow
    0
    17 June 2021 09: 05
    Manufacturing aircraft engines is incredibly difficult, very difficult. At one time, I visited the workshop for the manufacture of turbine blades of the first stage (monocrystalline) of the R29B-300 and R35 engines at Krasny Oktyabr in Moscow. As the saying goes, you can't buy or drink experience.