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Henry II's Lion Armor

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Visor of the helmet of King Henry II of France


“Saul dressed David in his own armor.
He put chain mail on him
and put a bronze helmet on his head. "
(First Samuel 17: 38)

Museum collections of knightly armor and weapons. And it so happened that when there was so much armor and weapons in the Tower Museum that only a small part of them could be shown, the British prudently decided to place them in the new museum. But not in London, where there are already enough museums, but in one of the cities on the periphery.

Leeds became this city. And he certainly benefited from this, because, although museums in England are free, there are incomparably more people coming to Leeds. And among its exhibits there is a completely unique knightly armor, about which we: A - first we will tell, and then: B - we will show the techniques of making knightly armor, which many VO readers have long expressed a desire to look at.


So, we have before us the famous "Lion Armor" (1550), which may have been made for King Henry II of France, and today exhibited in the "Gallery of Tournaments" at the Royal Arsenal in Leeds


And they are - side view

It is believed that this embossed "Lion Armor" belonged to King Henry II of France (reigned 1547-1559).


The same armor. Back view

And it was made in Italy in the famous Milanese Negroli family, which by the middle of the XNUMXth century was the most popular manufacturer of this type of armor. The armor got its name from the formidable lion faces that are found on its most visible surfaces. Perhaps most impressive is his helmet, which frames the face with the open mouth of a lion in the manner of antique Roman ceremonial armor.


The lion's face is placed on the helmet in such a way that the hole for the face is in the place of the mouth ...


Shoulders of armor are also decorated with lion faces.

This armor, apparently, was in England from the mid-1620s, after which it was roughly altered, probably in order to increase the front opening of the helmet.

Between about 1640 and 1688, this armor depicted Edouard Montague, second Earl of Manchester, Charles II, Cosimo Medici, and General George Monk, Duke of Albermarle. By the end of the XNUMXth century, it was owned by John Cooper, a gunsmith of the Artillery Council, who apparently borrowed it for an exhibition in the Tower of London. There it was presented as the armor of Charles II and was on display of equestrian figures known as the "Line of Kings", and later was exhibited as the armor of Edward VI, and Charles I.

This armor, despite all its pretentiousness, is combat, and not ceremonial. This is indicated by the shoulder pads of different sizes and the presence of holes on the cuirass for the fore-lance hook. In addition, the shape of the left shoulder pad clearly indicates that the spear should have been clamped under the left arm.


Here they are - holes for attaching a lance hook and shoulder pads of different shapes

However, the armor was made not in the traditional manner of the Middle Ages, but already quite "modern" (naturally for that time), that is, taking into account the use of firearms on the battlefield.


Take a look at these hooks on the cuirass. Do you know what they are for and what is locked on it? And they lock the "spaced armor" - the second invoice for additional armor, which became especially relevant after arquebusses, muskets and pistols appeared on the battlefield.


Lion face elbow pad. The peculiarity of the design of this armor was the combination of gold tapping with high embossing.


And this is a knee pad!

In an upright position (from the floor to the top of the helmet), the armor has a height of 1730 mm, that is, its owner was not tall. The weight of the armor is also not too large: 20,8 kg.


And all the details, including the plates on plate seals, are richly decorated with gold

And finally, plate gloves. Their sockets are also decorated with lion's muzzles, which means that the master had to make sure that the metal in this place was as thin as possible, otherwise it would not be possible to raise his hands in them. Well, and besides, they are clearly designed so that their owner can hold a pistol or a rapier in them, and not just a spear or sword. In this case, a plate gauntlet with one finger would be more suitable.

The armor has no plate shoes. Perhaps chain-mail stockings should have been worn over the entire foot. But on the other hand, plate “fingertips” are put on the forefoot (how else can you put it?), Also decorated with lion's muzzles.
Of course, the manufacture of such armor required an abyss of labor. Well, so how did the masters of that time work on them?

Drawings from the Royal Arsenal in Stockholm will help us learn about this. So...


1. Since most parts of the armor have a round or curved shape, a flat sheet of metal is processed with a hammer with a semicircular working head, stretching the plate in two dimensions, like a fan


2. First, beat so as to obtain large indentations. Then they beat between them so that there are more depressions, but they themselves are smaller in size. The plate gets thinner and longer


3. A round hammer ("hammer-beak") stretches the plate in all directions, allowing you to create bowl-shaped parts


4. Stretching is performed by blows "in the air". That is, you are not hitting the plate against the anvil, but slightly next to it.


5. In order to make a hemisphere, a metal sheet is processed on a special mandrel and simply stretched along it, after which the excess metal is chopped off


6. The hammer when processing such convex parts is used flat, so dents and irregularities are leveled


7. Plates of parts such as bracers are often not flat, but slightly convex, which improves their strength and protective properties. In this case, the finished part is processed with such a hammer.


8. The excess metal of the armor parts is cut off on the anvil with a chisel, but at the same time they put a soft cloth, and on it there is also a “sacrificial plate” - a special sheet of metal that allows not to crush the edge of the workpiece during cutting!


9. Some parts of the armor have ridges that increase their strength and protective properties. To make them, special mandrels were invented.


10. The comb is knocked out with a flat hammer on a mandrel. First you hit each side of the ridge with a hammer, finally, the mandrel is driven very neatly into it.



11. On such a mandrel, the edge is bent ...


12. "Rolled Edge". Many parts of the armor have a curled or folded edge, partly to make it stiffer, and partly to avoid injury from sharp edges. They do it both hot and cold.


13. Holes on parts were often not drilled, but punched, preheating them in order to relieve the arising stresses


14. However, this operation was carried out sequentially, using three punches of different diameters!


15. Riveting. All parts of the armor are somehow riveted to each other or riveted to the skin. It was possible to rivet in several ways: for example, with a hammer or a rivet mandrel, as a result of which a neat convex rivet is formed. Cold riveting


16. Rivet of a leather strap with a rivet. The rivet cover is pressed against the hard end of the wood, the sheet metal and washer are put on the rivet. Then the rivet is crimped with hammer blows

As you can see, everything is not so difficult.

There are people who cold forged such armor in their kitchens, and annealed them on a gas stove. True, how their wives and neighbors treated this, I do not know. But they made the armor!
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  1. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 10 June 2021 04: 08
    +15
    “Oh, what a beauty! Whisper! " ©
  2. Richard
    Richard 10 June 2021 04: 30
    +13
    So, we have before us the famous "Lion Armor" (1550), which may have been made for King Henry II of France, and today exhibited in the "Gallery of Tournaments" at the Royal Arsenal in Leeds

    Here one can only guess whose armor it is.
    On the one hand, it is advantageous to consider that this embossed "Lion Armor" was made by King Henry II of France. To the king who died in a knightly tournament. This dramatically increases the status of both the armor and the museum. But nowhere is there a single mention of the fact that Henry II of Valois had this armor. But something else is well known:
    Between about 1640 and 1688, this armor depicted Edouard Montague, second Earl of Manchester, Charles II, Cosimo Medici, and General George Monk, Duke of Albermarle. By the end of the XNUMXth century, it was owned by John Cooper, a gunsmith of the Artillery Council, who apparently borrowed it for an exhibition in the Tower of London. There it was presented as the armor of Charles II and was in an exhibition of equestrian figures known as the "Line of Kings", and later was exhibited as the armor of Edward VI, and Charles I
    .
    On the other hand, I don’t know about Karl 1 and Karl 2, but this armor certainly wouldn’t have fit for Edward VI, he was in his famous father in sprout and body. But the lion's armor in terms of the height of its owner is quite identical to the ceremonial armor of Henry II of Valois from the collection of The Metropolitan Museum of Art. And according to its age, too.
    So the hypothesis that he was made for Heinrich has a right to exist.
    Thanks to the author for such beauty.
    1. Richard
      Richard 10 June 2021 05: 04
      +16
      My personal opinion is that this armor was still made specifically for Henry, but not for King Henry II, but for the future King Henry II, the Dauphin Henry of Orleans, who became King of France in 1547.
      The absence of the royal crown on the armor confirms that they were not intended for the king, but for the dauphin, besides, the armor is decorated with the emblem of the dauphin - dolphins. The armor is decorated with a very beautiful pattern, in which they meet: three intertwined crescents - the personal emblem of Heinrich Valois, intertwined letters "H" and "C" - the monogram of Heinrich and his wife Catherine de Medici, letter "D" and a quiver with arrows in honor of the favorite Diana de Poitiers. The pattern applied to the armor is made in the form of alternating lines of black and silver, thus indicating the personal colors of the Dauphin - black and white.
      1. kalibr
        10 June 2021 06: 28
        +6
        You are good at thinking, Richard. It does you credit!
  3. Richard
    Richard 10 June 2021 04: 34
    +11
    Full ceremonial armor of King Henry II of Valois of France.
    One of the most famous "parade" of the middle of the XVI century. Very rich armor of the highest quality. Overall height 1880 (74 in.), Weight 24,2 kg (53 lb. 4 oz.).
    The armor is decorated with reliefs on antique themes, grotesque images of monsters and monsters. Used gilding, silvering, blackening. Part of the armor decor was designed by Jean Cousin the Elder c. 1490-c. 1560 and Baptiste Pellerin 1542-75. This is known because twenty sketches of the decor of this armor have survived, signed by these French masters. Perhaps Étienne Delaunne also participated in the design of the armor.
    Armor from the collection of The Metropolitan Museum of Art.






    1. Richard
      Richard 10 June 2021 04: 38
      +9
      Full dress armor of King Henry II of Valois of France. (Continued)








    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 June 2021 05: 37
      +11
      Quote: Richard
      But on the other hand, plate “fingertips” are put on the forefoot (how else can you put it?), Also decorated with lion's muzzles.

      Hello!!
      Red trousers with a skirt are valid! laughing
      1. depressant
        depressant 10 June 2021 07: 05
        +8
        I just thought about it, but you said)))
        Greetings to all! )))
        Yes, technology has already achieved such perfection. And then, when the need passes, they are lost. I wonder if any workshop can make something like this now? Manually?
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 10 June 2021 07: 16
          +9
          As part of the "reverse conversion"?
          What you do is where you improve.
          And the court gunsmiths are now doing something else.
          1. depressant
            depressant 10 June 2021 07: 38
            +7
            Court gunsmiths? Now? wassat
            Sergei, this is probably a hint - to what? In the morning I am shaking from the cold and numb. The weather is still! The coffee did not help, I take the second cup.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 10 June 2021 19: 04
              +2
              Just about modern weapons manufacturers.


              “I'm not hinting at anything.
              I'm just singing a song ”(c).
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 10: 07
            +11
            Quote: Korsar4
            And the court gunsmiths are now doing something else.

            Lion armor? You are welcome! Here is a modern replica.

            And what, every time has its own armor ... laughing
            1. depressant
              depressant 10 June 2021 10: 35
              +5
              Laughed heartily and with contrast)))
              Your face - even now put on your armor, a knight without fear and reproach, and a suit - that still a lion's skin!
            2. Richard
              Richard 10 June 2021 10: 37
              +7
              Lion armor? You are welcome! Here is a modern replica.

              Armor of the cavalier Boniface DeVellur. This armor is from the Lenin Metropolitan collection. Exit to the station Kuzminki smile
            3. Korsar4
              Korsar4 10 June 2021 19: 04
              +3
              They are called kigurumi. Small daughters have a giraffe and a tiger.
        2. Fat
          Fat 10 June 2021 09: 03
          +10
          Quote: depressant
          Manually?

          They can, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Practically on your knees, with the help of simple devices, a graver, a hammer and a swear word yes
          1. depressant
            depressant 10 June 2021 10: 00
            +4
            Andrey Borisovich, good morning!)))
            You haven't been there for a long time, it's nice to see you)))
            A swear word is powerful! It really stimulates inspiration that generates a sudden solution to a problem. wassat )))
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 June 2021 11: 03
              +5
              "" - A swear word will not make the cards successful, and the wind will not make them fair. "
              - Is that from the Bible, Father?
              - The Holy Father is in Rome. No, it's from Jack London. "(C)
        3. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 09: 41
          +7
          Quote: depressant
          I wonder if any workshop can make something like this now? Manually?

          If someone is willing to pay, why not? From the third to the fifth attempt - it's easy! smile Another thing is that with modern technologies the same can be done much faster. And by creating an appropriate matrix, one can also establish mass production and stamp copies of such armor on an industrial scale. smile
          1. depressant
            depressant 10 June 2021 10: 06
            +3
            Misha, indeed, the first thing he thought about was 3D printing. They say that any program can be written there, and a home machine will make everything in the best possible way. Now work is underway to make it possible to print with any metal and alloys. And the relief, all sorts of bulges, concavities, grooves, is not a problem for a long time. Here fantasy is in no way limited by technology.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 10: 12
              +4
              Exactly. To do this manually is a waste of time and effort, alas. But I am sure that if you provide some master with full allowance for a year or two and set the task of creating something similar or even more complicated, manually, without using presses and other modern equipment, giving him only the appropriate amount of rolled steel, he will cope in the best possible way.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 June 2021 18: 32
                +2
                To do this manually is a waste of time and effort, alas.
                Here you are wrong, Mikhail! After all, our reenactors are not for nothing considered the most "sick in the head." Historical identity is not enough for them, they need attributes made by technologies authetical to the era!
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 19: 47
                  +2
                  For the blacksmith profession, this has little effect. Yes, there is little demand, that's all. By and large, it does not form a stable market, so the blacksmiths themselves have to work either to order, or to make cheap fakes, hack, which are sold at all sorts of festivals, etc. those who are "not in the subject", "tourists".
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 June 2021 18: 24
            +2
            By the way, "Fly" is still preparing blacksmiths. True, few make it to the diploma. And they practically have nowhere to practice.
            1. Fat
              Fat 10 June 2021 19: 42
              +4
              hi Anton. There is nothing more to restore in St. Petersburg? No private forges? Nobody is busy with exclusive bikes? is it so bad? Somehow I can't believe it.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 June 2021 20: 31
                +3
                1. There is something, and more than.
                2. Yes, but exclusive.
                3. Other offices are engaged in "bikes".
                4. If suddenly I need to recreate chain mail using old technologies ... Well, I don't know who else I will turn to, except for the St. Petersburg idiots.
        4. Undecim
          Undecim 10 June 2021 18: 55
          +5
          I wonder if any workshop can make something like this now? Manually?

          Maybe they do.

          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 June 2021 19: 17
            +2
            Get it all right, Viktor Nikolaevich! But, working with gas welding in a T-shirt with a flammable "print" is beyond my understanding of safety precautions.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 10 June 2021 19: 59
              +2
              There, a gas burner is used only for heating, instead of a forge. Do not dress him with a cloth every time.
              I have a different question. There was such a promising phrase: "Well, how did the masters of that time work on them?" And after her - just a few schematic drawings, according to which a person who has never been to a smithy and has not worked there (and there are, I think, the overwhelming majority of them) will never understand how the craftsmen of that time worked.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 June 2021 20: 43
                +3
                Do not dress him with a cloth every time.
                To put on - definitely! Simply, I saw a couple of remains of such "heroes".
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 June 2021 20: 46
                +2
                I have another question.
                Oi-wei, Viktor Nikolaevich, do not pull on the patient!
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 10 June 2021 21: 10
                  +3
                  "Sick" in the sense of presentation, or are you seriously interested in the issue?
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 10 June 2021 21: 14
                    +3
                    "Sick," in the sense that I am seriously interested in the era. Have you noticed?
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 10 June 2021 21: 17
                      +3
                      I meant such a highly specialized issue as the technology of making armor.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 10 June 2021 21: 36
                        +5
                        The highly specialized interests me too. Under the same question, the cost of the chicken
                        Actually, my ideal is "to see Paris (1400) and not die". While all my constructs ended in a gallows on Greve Square ...
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 10 June 2021 21: 49
                        +5
                        Why a gallows? Do you travel Paris as a commoner?
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 10 June 2021 22: 05
                        +5
                        1. Well, I'm a jester.
                        2. I remember the fate of Angerand de Marigny
                      4. Undecim
                        Undecim 10 June 2021 22: 19
                        +4
                        He was hanged at Montfaucon, not at Place de Grève.
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 10 June 2021 22: 26
                        +4
                        They lie shamelessly. This is a later story, like the creator became a victim of creation. The bodies of the executed were hung on Montfaucon.
                      6. Undecim
                        Undecim 10 June 2021 22: 30
                        +5
                        Not only. They could be hanged right there, they could be executed elsewhere and hang an already dead body.
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 10 June 2021 22: 44
                        +4
                        Not. Montfaucon was located outside the perimeter of the city walls. The city could not hang there, however, neither could the king.
                      8. Undecim
                        Undecim 10 June 2021 23: 03
                        +5
                        You have the wrong information.

                        http://lionel.mesnard.free.fr/le%20site/Le-Gibet-de-Montfaucon.html
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 June 2021 06: 55
                        +4
                        Thank you, I’ll take an interest.
                        I am still leaning towards a different version.
                      10. Undecim
                        Undecim 11 June 2021 07: 45
                        +6
                        The question is the source of the version. In all the English and French-language sources available to me, the version is the same: https://gw.geneanet.org/dussourdb?lang=en&p=enguerrand+iii&n=le+portier+de+marigny
                      11. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 June 2021 07: 52
                        +2
                        Enguerrand de Marigny being hanged. From the Chroniques de France ou de St Denis, BL Royal MS 20 C vii f. 51
                      12. Undecim
                        Undecim 11 June 2021 08: 53
                        +2
                        What in this illustration indicates that the body was hanged already dead?
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 June 2021 09: 27
                        +2
                        In this illustration, clearly not Montfaucon.
                      14. Undecim
                        Undecim 11 June 2021 09: 30
                        +3
                        And how he looked at that time, no one knows for sure. In addition, it was being rebuilt.
              3. Korsar4
                Korsar4 11 June 2021 07: 52
                +4
                It was Bonacieux who, on the way to the cardinal, imagined the places where he could be pulled up.
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 June 2021 07: 50
    +3
    At least this is one of the used tracks.

    "A man is glorious three times." And not only birth and marriage are mentioned in this proverb.
  5. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 June 2021 21: 56
    +5
    And this is only Paris, about which "a hell of a lot and more" is known. And then there is London, Munich, Milan, Barcelona ... Veliky Novgorod, after all! And "in each hut, there are rattles" ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 10 June 2021 04: 54
    +16
    Good morning everyone, although it's been pouring for the second day here.
    Thank you Vyacheslav, beauty ennobles, and in the morning it also cheers up.
    I was never fond of chasing, but I did sketches for the guys, unfortunately nothing survived,
    time passes and everything goes somewhere. request



    I don’t know whose armor and where it came from, but I liked it. smile
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 10 June 2021 05: 29
      +15
      Inspires, and I like armor for horses
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 10 June 2021 05: 30
        +12
        Didn't skimp on beauty for them
        1. Richard
          Richard 10 June 2021 05: 54
          +14
          And I like the armor of horses

          And me at the dogs






          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 10 June 2021 06: 29
            +10
            Such a creature cannot be called a "dog". Fighter!
            You will not be very happy about the meeting.
          2. SERGE ANT
            SERGE ANT 10 June 2021 07: 40
            +17
            So, there are horses and dogs, and here are cats
            It seems that they have not forgotten anyone.
            1. SERGE ANT
              SERGE ANT 10 June 2021 07: 41
              +14
              Ah! The elephants are still
              Where without them.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 08: 12
                +12
                It remains to attach a howitzer to the ridge and to buy some tanks for the Indians. laughing
                1. Richard
                  Richard 10 June 2021 10: 10
                  +10
                  Hi Konstantin hi
                  A couple of days ago, here experts discussed with what better to go to the knight. Someone offered a crossbow, someone an arquebus. The men and I in the pub on this topic had a strong argument almost - we had a falling out. Our local "kulibin", a Trudovik from our rural school Sergeich, looked into the noise in the cap. A very smart and intelligent person - he even subscribes to a regional newspaper! Chessword!
                  Seeing that there was no fight, he was very upset, but remembering that he was still a teacher, he very sensibly explained to those present whom the medieval knights were most afraid of. yes laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 10 June 2021 10: 23
                    +5
                    It remains only to attach the "earth" to the knight.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 June 2021 07: 49
              +11
              Forgot. Mouse and turnip.
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 10 June 2021 08: 11
              +12
              Fighting cat, damn it !!! Respect! soldier
            4. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 10 June 2021 19: 28
              +3
              Forgot: cows and birds, but what if the cats have combat armor, and the cows also fight. As a child, I saw how cows fought
          3. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 10 June 2021 19: 00
            +3
            Colleagues, good evening. I haven't even heard of armor for dogs
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 10 June 2021 05: 44
        +16
        Again the side is buggy that they won't set it up in any way. negative
        How do you like that? The signature reads: "Armor of a humpbacked knight", someone decided to pin it, but very textured, however, there is no question of beauty. smile
      3. kalibr
        10 June 2021 06: 29
        +12
        This is an armor from the Metropolitan Museum of Art. They have a whole gallery of such riders!
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 10 June 2021 06: 24
      +9
      This is no longer armor, but a work of art! In such a situation, it is probably incredibly regrettable to enter a knightly tournament or a battlefield - they will help, they will break!
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich for the article and illustrations.
    3. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 09: 46
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      I don’t know whose armor and where it came from, but I liked it.

      Ephesus of the sword is more like Westeros, perhaps all the armor is from there ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 10 June 2021 10: 09
        +3
        Misha, are you joking? ))))
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 10: 16
          +6
          What jokes, Lyudmila Yakovlevna? It cannot be the Middle-earth, there technologies froze at the level of the XIII, from the strength of the XIV century. Perhaps, of course, this is Narnia ... But most likely - Westeros of the time of the late Targaryen ...
          smile
          Of course I was joking ... laughing
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 10 June 2021 11: 09
            +4
            But most likely - Westeros of the late Targaryen times ...

            Could this be Tamriel from the time of Tiber Septim, better known as Talos? wink Skyrim for the Nords! angry And above, you put yourself in a Khajiit costume? laughing
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 11: 51
              +3
              Skyrim is generally the Early Middle Ages, in my opinion. The pinnacle of evolution is scale armor. lol What to talk about with these savages? smile
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 10 June 2021 12: 23
                +4
                What to talk about with these savages?

                About the Daedra and the secrets of the Dwemer. yes And about Thalmor fascism - these are generally scolded by all and sundry. After all, about cats! laughing
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 10 June 2021 10: 39
        +4
        You will not believe, you have not read any of this and have not seen a single film. request
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 10 June 2021 11: 10
          +4
          You will not believe, you have not read any of this and have not seen a single film.

          Uncle Kostya, next time mount a stern uncle in a cap and glasses with views of Skyrim. drinks
          Somewhere here

          or here:
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 June 2021 11: 28
            +3
            And where is it and what is it, and for what reason to transfer it from the real Zone, who knows where?
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 June 2021 11: 29
              +4
              And where is it and what is it, and for what reason to transfer it from the real Zone, who knows where?

              Obviously, I didn’t play Stalker, and you didn’t launch Skyrim. drinks
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 11: 38
                +4
                But you shouldn't have played it, I have never seen anything like it. Atmosphere-s.
                And everything that came out later was a second time, including the last Metro, although, of course, beautiful. But you know that beauty (and feminine) alone is not enough for complete happiness. smile
              2. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 10 June 2021 19: 43
                +2
                Good evening, we have a deputy for AHC in "Stalker" all the time, Zulka has some kind of shooter on her phone, and I had Karmageddon2. No toys now
                I have already "matured"
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 10 June 2021 21: 26
                  +2
                  I have a simple "bridges". Mine constantly shoots me: "when will you grow up?" She did not succeed and she "matured"
                  I suspect that you have a similar situation: have you tried a smarter game? So it's time to "grow up"
            2. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 12: 06
              +4
              Quote: Sea Cat
              for what reason to transfer it from the real Zone who knows where?

              If you want to relax in nature, our agency recommends Skyrim. The harsh northern nature in landscapes from mountain taiga forests to arctic deserts will not leave you indifferent, and mammoths and bears, saber-toothed lions and dragons will not let you get bored. Deep caves with terrible creatures, ancient tombs full of treasures, ancient castles that keep their secrets, open and honest people, half of which are vile traitors, elves, orcs, cat people and lizard people - you will find all this in Skyrim. Fight with a sword, club or ax, hit enemies (you will have many) with arrows, or use your intellect and magical abilities to achieve respect and reverence from the inhabitants of this harsh mountainous country ... laughing
              This is what a travel agency would probably say when selling vouchers. smile
              In fact, what is really good about this game is nature. Views, sounds, animation ... You just relax with your soul, especially on long winter evenings ... smile
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 12: 20
                +3
                If you like to relax in nature, then you need to go to Montana, or rather to Fairkray5, the nature and graphics are beyond praise, and the rest is a stupid shooter with an idiotic plot.


                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 13: 09
                  +3
                  I'm not surprised, Uncle Kostya, that Narnia and Westeros are unfamiliar to you. There is no firearm. And I do not know Farkrai, alas. Although I know Stalker quite well.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 28
                    +5
                    The very first "Fairkray" from Kraitek is very good:

                    And then they sold this brand and the gag from Yubisoft rushed, monotonous and sad - go, pick flowers to heal the wound - you can urge.
                    Have you tried STALKER-Lost Alpha?
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 23: 10
                      +4
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Lost Alpha tried it?

                      I don’t remember already.
                      I played some mods, I even liked it ... Misery, in my opinion, something else ... I don't remember. Now on the computer there is OP-2, and three classic games, sometimes, it happens, I sit down, poke around ...
                      In general, shooters are not very good for me, the Stalker series is an exception.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 June 2021 23: 14
                        +5
                        ... shooting games are not very good for me,

                        I'm not very good either. And what kind of OP-2?
                        They downloaded Cyberpunk to me here, but it doesn't work at all, instead of rest there is some kind of nonsense.
                      2. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 11 June 2021 09: 24
                        +3
                        OP-2 - United pack on the platform "Shadow of Chernobyl". The guys collected a bunch of different mods and sewed them together. Everything is the same, but more of all: weapons, equipment, artifacts, characters, tasks, etc. The plot is so long that I did not go through to the end, and I doubt whether there is this end ... smile
                        And I personally have not been uploading anything new from games on a computer for a long time. Sometimes the son will download something, play, erase.
                        I have Stalker, Total War, Skyrim and Mount and Blade. I have enough. Not one game has been completed to the end, except Skyrim, but there, at the end of the main plot, you can take additional assignments, so sometimes I sit down to my mood: I want to relax "in nature", such as a picnic with zombies - Skyrim, shoot - Stalker, just a huge meat killing with an ax with your own hands - M @ B, and to see how others kill each other at your order - Total Var. smile
                        I'm waiting for Stalker-2 when it comes out ... Or is it all fairy tales?
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 June 2021 20: 14
                        +1
                        I'm waiting for Stalker-2 when it comes out ..

                        I'm also waiting, but there are already serious fears that the game will have a specific "square" smell, and the new Shooter will turn out to be an ardent supporter of Stepan Bandera. I would really not like it, but the habitat dictates the conditions, one hope for the natural resourcefulness of Grigorovich, as a representative of a nation that knows how to survive in any conditions, after all, Russia has a colossal sales market, not without reason all the games in the series were released in Russian.
                        And I just got stunned, downloaded "Shadows of Chernobyl" and sit, enjoy it from the bottom of my heart. smile drinks

                        Yes, Misha, did you play the very first "Mafia"?
                      4. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 11 June 2021 21: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        played the very first "Mafia"?

                        No, I haven't played, I can't even imagine what kind of game it is, in what genre.
                        My games are Dune, Warcraft, Diablo, Stronghold, and what I listed earlier. Well, a few quests with pleasure in due time passed. For example, "Black Mirror", but we were the whole family, with my wife and small children. Everything, probably. Since I play relatively infrequently, I don't have time to get bored. In this case, you can switch depending on your mood from one to another ... In short, the gamer of me is so-so. smile
                        As for Strelka, there is a localization issue. Change the voice acting and, if necessary, some textures - change the monuments to Lenin and Bandera in places, for example ... Especially for Russia. laughing
                        It is clear that our market is more important for Grigorovich than the Ukrainian one, because more, it is unlikely that he will be scattered with money, and politics ... Will do it is necessary and sufficient for the game to be released in Russia, I think.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 June 2021 21: 31
                        +2
                        "Mafia" is the first toy I got hooked on, my son got hooked, by the way. smile It felt like I was in the middle of an interesting and adventurous feature film as the main character. All subsequent games under this name win in graphics and miserably lose in plot. For the first "Mafia" they made a remake with exceptional graphics, simultaneously turning all missions into stupid shooters without what was in the first game - without the possibility of choosing options for passing. I have an old disc, sometimes I play, remembering my "youth".
            3. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 June 2021 09: 09
              +3
              The very first "Fairkray" from Kraitek is very good

              Recently downloaded, I decided to remember the past ... drinks
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 11 June 2021 09: 15
                +2
                Well, right, it's worth it. drinks
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 June 2021 06: 25
    +9
    I’m thinking - who will take care of the “protection” now?
    For whom - for cyclists, and those who ride on roller skates?
    1. depressant
      depressant 10 June 2021 07: 20
      +11
      Good morning! )))
      For cyclists? Yes, full of such. I looked at the protection for motorcyclists, it is also in the version for cyclists. Impressed. Full bodycon suit and many attachments to it. For example, a motorcycle armored vest, it is also in the version of a protective chest vest for cycling, as well as in an armored vest for motocross, for off-road racing. This design is called "vest", but it looks more powerful than armor. The cost of "consumer goods" varies from 2000 to 4000 rubles.
      I will say this: it looks impressive. And the aesthetics ... It is different now, it is now the aesthetics of "Star Wars".
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2021 07: 56
      +7
      for cyclists and roller skaters?
      These do not need protection. "At least a little mind can enter a small crack in the head" (C)
      A couple of months ago, with a feeling of deep satisfaction, I watched the traffic cops fine a cyclist.
      1. depressant
        depressant 10 June 2021 08: 25
        +7
        Anton, so you managed to revive me - "into a small crack in my head ...")))

        In our village, they hate cyclists who drive along the sidewalks interspersed with pedestrians burdened with bags. They also hate cyclists who drive along the road. Everyone hates cyclists. But in vain. You have to get along with them.
        And in general ... A bicycle is a means of transportation that depends only on your muscular strength. Only!
        This moment makes you think hard.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 June 2021 08: 43
          +6
          But in vain. You have to get along with them.
          So I get along. Everyday.
          Unfortunately.
          1. depressant
            depressant 10 June 2021 08: 50
            +4
            And, in this sense ... I sympathize, Anton!
            Yes ... What can I say. I just won't say anything.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 June 2021 08: 57
              +5
              Simply, two-wheeled ones were added to the four-wheeled fools on the roads. But the former at least do not consider themselves immortal.
              1. depressant
                depressant 10 June 2021 10: 13
                +4
                Anton, now fate is getting angrier. It's time to start controlling her. Well, nothing can be given to chance! Even that which does not depend on you.
        2. Richard
          Richard 10 June 2021 11: 45
          +3
          They hate cyclists in our village

          Behind the fields, gardens, behind the apiary
          Don't get away from picky eyes.
          To those who keep their bike in their bosom,
          Oh, and it's hard in our village! (from) smile
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 June 2021 12: 14
            +3
            Concealed carrying of a bicycle is prohibited by law.
            1. Richard
              Richard 10 June 2021 12: 36
              +3
              If you have the necessary permission and the saddle is disconnected, then you can (and when transporting in an airplane, the saddle from the bike is supposed to be handed over to the crew of the airliner).
              Below there is a whole discussion on concealed wearing going yes
              Sea Cat (Constantine): I wear mine in a shoulder holster

              Krasnodar: Above butt saddle down is comfortable to wear. Literally three days of training, you already pull out pretty quickly

              Trilobite Master (Michael): The front behind the belt is another matter. Very comfortably. A slight inconvenience - stealth is lost

              ee2100 (Alexander): And I like it more under the left mouse
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 June 2021 12: 40
                +2
                Below there is a whole discussion on concealed wearing going
                With them and pinned.
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 10 June 2021 12: 43
                +2
                saddle disconnected
                By the way, in Barcelona, ​​leaving the bike on the street, the owner removes the saddle.
                1. Richard
                  Richard 10 June 2021 13: 03
                  +3
                  saddle disconnected

                  So I was pinned too, by analogy with a pistol magazine
                  in Barcelona, ​​leaving the bike on the street, the owner removes the saddle.

                  Thanks for the important information. Now I have a great excuse from my wife. yes good
                  -When are we finally going to Barcelona?
                  - Alas, my dear, we will not be allowed there - on our great saddle rusted to the frame and cannot be removed. Let's go on it better to the regional center. There - I pedal. you're on the frame, back - let's change places
              3. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 10 June 2021 19: 48
                +1
                Colleagues, are you talking about short-haul?
                1. Richard
                  Richard 10 June 2021 21: 13
                  +3
                  Not . this is a bicycle forum
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 10 June 2021 13: 14
          +5
          Yeah, yeah, have you forgotten about these * non-bikers?

          Greetings to friends and comrades! bully
          1. Richard
            Richard 10 June 2021 13: 30
            +3
            Hi Hi.
            We have not forgotten anything. We just don't mention them specifically with Anton, so as not to upset Lyudmila Yakovlevna
            1. Richard
              Richard 10 June 2021 14: 10
              +5
              Women like to read about knights, because every child dreamed of a prince on a white horse smile
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 10 June 2021 20: 02
                +2
                As a child I dreamed of riding a horse like Ksanka from "The Elusive Avengers"
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                2. Richard
                  Richard 10 June 2021 21: 38
                  +3
                  As a child I dreamed of riding a horse like Ksanka from "The Elusive Avengers"

                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 44
                    +3
                    Dima! Thank you! Luxurious video, whinnying right up to colic. laughing
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 11 June 2021 08: 16
                      +4
                      Join us! laughing laughing laughing I laughed with pleasure before the working day. good
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 June 2021 10: 30
                        +3
                        The Cossacks are still learning such somersaults.
                        The perfect jockey.
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 54
                    +3
                    The film "The Boar Chasers" has just shown his wife, a few more minutes of mutual cheerful laughter. laughing good
                  3. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 11 June 2021 10: 52
                    +2
                    Thanks for the video. The girls are delighted.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 11 June 2021 09: 21
                +3
                All dreamers dream about what, but ... as it was said: "Fear the dream come true."
                1. Richard
                  Richard 11 June 2021 09: 46
                  +3

                  Konstantin hi
                  You have to be a completely frostbitten masochist to dream with a shot of running around - even just without a machine gun in panties and a T-shirt around the stadiumlaughing
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 11 June 2021 20: 22
                    +2
                    It was easier for me, I had a P-113 in the tank. Throw an inverted headset on the tower and listen to Chinese propaganda in Russian, we had it instead of Raikin's speeches, after all, our cultures are very different. laughing
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 10 June 2021 21: 31
            +2
            There are a lot of such "bikers". I bought myself a "three-wheeled" one, and now I think: I had to take an electric scooter
        4. Phil77
          Phil77 10 June 2021 18: 40
          +3
          Well, yes. Anton and I have already talked about this. You go and smoke, you think about pleasant topics, and behind you, baaaats! And this misunderstanding on wheels unexpectedly overtakes you so much. It’s unpleasant, you know. bully
          1. Richard
            Richard 10 June 2021 22: 06
            +4
            A 30-year-old neighbor drives an electric wheel with a seat pad to work. In the morning, he leaves the house, spreads it out and rushes off. In the evening he arrives, puts it in the house to exercise. For the price, this thing pulls for an average car
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 12 June 2021 11: 01
              -1
              For the price, this thing pulls for an average car
              And how about this miracle with autonomy, 40 miles overpowers the city and a flat supporting surface !?
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 10 June 2021 10: 42
        +5
        ... with a sense of deep satisfaction, I watched the traffic cops fine the cyclist.

        I didn't understand this until I got behind the wheel myself.
        "Damned private owner in green, red, white Zhiguli" (c)
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 June 2021 10: 52
          +5
          After I got behind the wheel, I became a very neat pedestrian.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 June 2021 10: 59
            +3
            And Masha still grabs me by the hands so that I do not climb under the wheels, what to do, a conditioned reflex acquired in Soviet times, you can get rid of only by getting under the wheels, but so far God has mercy. smile
            1. depressant
              depressant 10 June 2021 12: 30
              +3
              Kostya, spit it! The more savory, the more reliable.
              By the way, it is also raining in our suburbs.
              This is the result of climate warming. I remember exactly this kind of weather has always been on the eastern coast of the Black Sea. June - rains all the way, July - unbearable heat until about August 10-20, a sudden storm, cold snap - that's it, summer is over. Rare rains, interspersed with some periods of clear calm weather - velvet season. And then - ice rains, winter with possible snow. And all this climatic "beauty" at that time was called subtropics. I do not know what is there now, but what happened seemed to have moved to Central Russia, with the exception of winter.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 05
                +5
                Kostya, spit it!


                Father Fyodor spat and got hit too. "(C)

                We also have rains, for the third day already, Lucky is most dissatisfied of all, regularly comes up to me with an indignant cry, like, turn off this water from the sky, there is no longer any life. smile
                The grass is flooded again, mow again, and so we live.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 10 June 2021 21: 31
                  +3
                  Kostya, the trouble is that those types of trees that are zoned in the north of the Moscow region are not ready for such an amount of moisture. The trunks and branches of some of them were covered with a thick layer of disgusting yellow moss, which does not even think to disappear, and yesterday the leaves on many of the trees, even the other day, when the sun was shining brightly, suddenly began to curl and turn black. At my western window there are luxurious tall rowan trees. So there are not only leaves - some bunches have turned black and hung dead. If this climatic drama continues, then we will be left without the usual flora, and where can we get the new one?
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 56
                    +3
                    We do not have such an outrage so far. Rowan grows on the site, but everything is in order with it. As for the rest ... "Here they are, trams!" in the sense of a rocket and everything else that ruins nature.
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 11 June 2021 12: 51
                    +2
                    It will come from the south. But not fast.
                    Linden returns.
                    Ceased to massively tear on the bast.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 11 June 2021 13: 11
                      +3
                      They stopped tearing the lipa, but with special enthusiasm they began to rip off the man. I just had a clash with the accounting department of the ZhEKa, they counted 1200 extra ones, although I pay on time and as they say. And here from somewhere - a debt. And before that he ripped off Sberbank for electricity and so on, but you can't argue there, for going to Moscow. And now my hands are shaking. Apparently the bloodsuckers think I'm a counterfeiter. I will print as much as they require.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 11 June 2021 17: 50
                        +3
                        Unimaginable boredom reigns on the site today. What is it? Calm before tomorrow's storm? Even reluctance to get into the "football" theme. Well, they removed the inscription from the neighbors' uniforms and what? , until recently it was a holiday for the fans. Today? Better not. Alas, but boredom. recourse
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 11 June 2021 18: 46
                        +2
                        Seryozha, the weather is whispering. Above all of Russia there is a cloudy sky, here and there light rains are pouring, dampness has seized, as if we are all immersed in an aquarium filled with water, and we slowly crawl along the bottom and therefore we are all sleepy.
                        At least that's how it seems to me.
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 June 2021 20: 49
                        +2
                        If the task is to arrange the movement, we will arrange it.

                        As "The Blonde Around the Corner" said:
                        "And no problem!"
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 11 June 2021 21: 07
                        +2
                        Hi Sergey, I would like to see the opening match in 55 minutes. And the poster is not bad. Italy-Turkey. The main thing is that the stands are with the audience.
                      5. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 14
                        +3
                        Hello Seryozha!
                        Italians have been cute since 1982. With Dino Zoffa, Rossi, Conti, Gentile.

                        And even more precisely from the match with the Brazilians.

                        I remember this championship best of all.

                        Further - only fragmentarily.
                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 11 June 2021 21: 19
                        +1
                        Now, let's see?
                      7. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 26
                        +2
                        Can. Will it be online?
                        The son is still walking. He's definitely interested.

                        And who are the Italians at the gate?
                        After Toldy and Buffon, did someone show up?
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 11 June 2021 10: 28
      +2
      It's good that we still have winter.
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 June 2021 10: 34
        +3
        Is it in the Far East?
        Apparently, my understanding of geography is weak.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 11 June 2021 12: 50
          +2
          Who is in the Far East?
          I love to be there, but only on a visit.

          And winter in the Center of the Russian Plain is still similar to the real one.
          The past year has been rich in surprises.
          1. depressant
            depressant 11 June 2021 13: 03
            +3
            Oh ... Is your place of residence ... the North Pole? Or, more likely, South?
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 11 June 2021 18: 05
              +3
              No, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, Sergey means that the past winter was without unpleasant surprises, in the form of thaws. A good winter was a success. wink This summer hasn't come yet.
            2. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 19: 08
              +3
              Note, Sergei himself is silent! wassat )))
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 11 June 2021 19: 38
              +3
              So after all ... work! So after all ... business! So in fact ... busy. Bye. Will have free time, write. We will wait. bully
            4. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 20: 46
              +3
              Evening came. You can go to our tavern.
            5. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 21: 48
              +2
              Well, since we have come, you must admit that you have a water pistol in the summer - a toy, and in the winter - a weapon? wassat )))
              Below we discuss the press. I was surprised to learn that Gaius Julius Caesar is the ancestor! It turns out that nothing is new under the Moon.
            6. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 52
              +2
              I am ready, like Schweik, to confess everything.
              As a child, I once asked my grandmother to buy shampoo in order to convert it into a water pistol.
            7. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 21: 59
              +2
              Imagine, such a charge, but in the eye! )))
              The years go on, the child's cruelty goes back, shrinks.
            8. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 22: 14
              +2
              I needed a bottle of shampoo. Refueling with water, and it could not be otherwise.
            9. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 22: 25
              +2
              The bottle did not come with the pistol as a spare clip. And the years have passed! And now a larger plastic bottle is gracefully attached to a different device.
            10. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 22: 33
              +2
              A larger container is better for collecting birch sap.
            11. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 22: 37
              +2
              Birch sap again! There is a lot that I have not tried, but what I know about - there. Birch sap is available, sometimes sold. But I never had a desire to try. Well this is how to use lymph.
            12. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 22: 49
              +2
              I don't like plastic bottles. Although milk in cardboard bags is quite upsetting.
            13. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 22: 53
              +2
              If anything upsets me, it is the contents of the cardboard bags with the inscription "Milk".
            14. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 22: 58
              +2
              Here I am about the content. Although it's time to give priority to fermented baked milk and kefir.
            15. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 23: 03
              +2
              So as not to upset the gourmet,
              Fermented baked milk in the volume of a glass! wassat ))
            16. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 23: 08
              +2
              From the folk:

              “Our daughter-in-law is cracking everything.
              Honey - and that eats. "
            17. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 23: 21
              +3
              According to the principle "Just don't throw me into the bushes!" (C)
            18. Korsar4
              Korsar4 11 June 2021 23: 35
              +3
              Who else will take care of brother Rabbit.
            19. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 23: 38
              +3
              Deliver me from my friends, and I will take care of the enemies myself! wassat )))
          2. bubalik
            bubalik 11 June 2021 23: 39
            +3
            Don't leave me in the dark
            Behind blank walls and roofs. (FROM)
            ,,, it is clear that I destroyed the chain recourse
          3. depressant
            depressant 11 June 2021 23: 46
            +3
            Over the seas, over the valleys
            Kashchei lived in a moral wound.
            Don't throw an egg against the wall -
            you will acquire Kashchei's genes!
            lol
          4. Korsar4
            Korsar4 11 June 2021 23: 49
            +4
            This is an open "build model".

            “Don't leave the room.
            Don't make a mistake ”(c).
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 June 2021 20: 46
    +2
    Quite right, Seryozha!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 10 June 2021 21: 32
    +3
    "he is not my friend and not my brother" (c)
  • ee2100
    ee2100 10 June 2021 06: 40
    +9
    "In addition, the shape of the left shoulder pad clearly indicates that the spear should have been clamped on the left under the arm." (C)
    Probably on the right.
    Good morning everyone !
    1. kalibr
      10 June 2021 06: 59
      +7
      It depends on which side you look at. From the back - to the right, from the face - to the left. We look from the face, which means - to the left.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 10 June 2021 07: 29
        +7
        I like your logic! It depends on which side you look at! Did you try from the side? And from the top, or from the bottom?
        Well, you made a mistake in the translation, so admit it!
        1. kalibr
          10 June 2021 08: 09
          +3
          Quote: ee2100
          Well, you made a mistake in the translation, so admit it!

          And yours is not for me! There you had to translate something or just take it and see what's what? Or, in order to look at the cuirass, you need to look at it from below. And the holes are not visible from the side. So "past the cash register". You just have to dig in.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 June 2021 08: 14
            +6
            Fu, Olegych, there are still ladies here, let's leave the barracks for the men.
            1. kalibr
              10 June 2021 08: 26
              +4
              I do not like it when it is not on the case.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 08: 30
                +4
                Come on, these are all little things. drinks
            2. depressant
              depressant 10 June 2021 09: 48
              +3
              Kostya ... And what is the barracks? Is it that Alexander gave some instructions to the Author in a not very friendly tone? Or did I not understand something?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 10: 51
                +3
                I did not appeal to Alexander, but to Vyacheslav. One addressed "in a not very friendly tone", in my opinion, generally attached to nonsense, but the other responded with purely barracks rudeness. But you did not understand, because Olegych himself deleted this phrase, as I myself just noticed. I deleted it, and I did the right thing - respect. drinks
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 10 June 2021 20: 08
            0
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleague Alexander (her 2100) dislikes you and does not hide it
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 10 June 2021 20: 30
              +1
              But you, what's the matter ?! They'll figure it out among themselves. Didn't they teach you in the yard? * Two are fighting, the third one don't go in! * Or such an irrepressible desire to prove yourself? Unwittingly, an episode from * Mowgli * comes to mind. negative
              * - *, naturally from me.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 10 June 2021 21: 54
                +2
                "The desire to prove oneself" is rather different: to protect V. Oh, she is fascinated by him.
                Women tend to deify someone. They will defend their idol, but if the idol has not justified the hopes "from love to hate."
              2. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 11 June 2021 10: 57
                0
                Thank you for your sincerity
            2. kalibr
              13 June 2021 21: 07
              0
              Aster! Remember what Alexander Nevsky answered to the cries of the Novgorodians: "You do not love us!" - I was not called a lover to you, Veliky Novgorod, but a voivode ... So love - not love - it doesn't matter. It is important that comments are businesslike and informative. Here is how Viktor Nikolaevich. Or at worst - "did not like it." Well ... I don't like cabbage pies either. And why I myself do not know. But when they cling to nonsense, I think it's stupid and unreasonable. Let him learn to "fight" with me by informational methods. But if he doesn’t know how, let him study.
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 14 June 2021 11: 07
                +1
                And I do not like pies with cabbage, ac with potatoes and fried onions I love
                1. kalibr
                  14 June 2021 11: 10
                  +1
                  Just with potatoes and separately with green onions and an egg !!!
                  1. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 14 June 2021 11: 11
                    0
                    The father-in-law loved "onion pies". From time to time I buy these for myself, but yesterday I did it with potatoes and fried onions
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 10 June 2021 07: 35
      +8
      And what is not worn under this arm, the very place. laughing

      Hi Sasha! hi
      Something today the side is immoderately buggy.
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        1. ee2100
          ee2100 10 June 2021 07: 51
          +9
          Hi Kostya!
          It is immediately obvious that he is left-handed. And I like it more under the left mouse

          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 June 2021 08: 29
            +7
            This woman is the dream of all the boys (and not only) of my happy childhood, the unattainable Babette, who went to war, although at first she came to get a job in a brothel. laughing

            1. vladcub
              vladcub 10 June 2021 21: 41
              +3
              Kostya, hello. Top photo, something familiar film. It seems that some "village" has arrived in Moscow. Someone had a sculpture as a housekeeper.
              I once looked, but I don't remember anymore
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 49
                +4
                No, this is the same Babette who came to the city to get a job in a brothel, and by no means a cleaner. laughing
                And the film you are talking about, I remember, I just forgot the name, Papanov played the sculptor, and the name of the "village" was Frosya Burlakova.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 11 June 2021 06: 29
                  +4
                  *Come back tomorrow*. laughing
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 11 June 2021 06: 35
                    +5
                    Precisely, Frosya sang Russian folk songs. smile
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 11 June 2021 06: 37
                      +5
                      There Shirvindt with Belov as Nemirovich and Danchenko performed, and Rina Zelyonaya at the piano! Funny old film. laughing
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 June 2021 06: 54
                        +5
                        Yeah, jokers, damn it. laughing
                      2. vladcub
                        vladcub 11 June 2021 11: 22
                        +2
                        But, in fact, there really was such a moment. The plot is so simple, but the cast was powerful
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 11 June 2021 18: 13
                        +3
                        Rather classic. Another "conquest of Moscow."

                        "Along the St. Petersburg, tverskoy, yes yamskoy" and baaats on the piano! laughing
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 18
                        +1
                        What you believe in is what you get.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 11 June 2021 11: 11
            +2
            Babeta, a familiar name, but I can't remember. "Something has become of my memory" (c)
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 June 2021 20: 54
              +2
              "Something has become of my memory" (c)

              The actress's name was Brigitte Bardot and she was a bright sex symbol of her time, and Babette was the name of her character.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 12 June 2021 06: 34
                +2
                Yeah. Beautiful bitch
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 June 2021 09: 29
    +5
    “There lived a grandfather and a grandmother
    And under her arm she had a hole
    There he and his grandfather were hiding from the bombing
    Come on, fuck it, this war "(c)
    Greetings, Constantine! hi
    Will pull out and straighten slower than from behind
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 09: 58
    +5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    And what is not worn under this arm, the very place.

    It is inconvenient to carry a weapon so - with the barrel down. And it is also inconvenient to extract, but quickly it is completely impossible. I would raise the holster a little higher and turn it clockwise for three o'clock.
    Is this a submarine in a holster, Uncle Kostya?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2021 10: 16
      +7
      Quote: Trilobite Master

      It is inconvenient to carry a weapon so - with the barrel down. And it is also inconvenient to extract, but quickly it is completely impossible. I would raise the holster a little higher and turn it clockwise for three o'clock.
      Is this a submarine in a holster, Uncle Kostya?

      Above butt sash down is comfortable to wear. Literally three days of training, already quite quickly pulling out and cocking, after a week - in less than two seconds you are already pulling out from behind, cocking and firing the first tov Ych shot from 8 meters in A4. The only thing is that you cannot keep a pistol on the safety lock, in Israel, for example, this is prohibited
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 10: 21
        +4
        Back on the belt is another matter. With the barrel down, with the handle (I almost wrote with "hilt" smile ) towards the spine. A slight inconvenience - the secrecy of wearing is somewhat lost.
        I'm talking about the armpit holster. I do not understand who invented such, with such a fastening of the straps as in the photo.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 June 2021 10: 35
          +4
          Stealth - yes, it gets lost
          So there are two of them in the photo - for the Macedonian shooting or for the immediate transition to the second weapon of a two-handed man? laughing
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 10 June 2021 10: 20
      +6
      On the left "Glock", and on the right - the devil knows it, you can't identify it by the cover of the store.
      The guy below also has a Glock, and the Israeli looks like a Jericho 941 FBL.
      And as for socks, there are various options, as it is convenient for whom, he wears it.


      American tank crews and pilots carried them on their chests back in World War II.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 June 2021 10: 41
        +4
        Above, a sock that is very inconvenient for immediate use. For an Israeli, for a quick switch to a second weapon when misfiring / running out of ammunition, a second one, but ... will take a second longer
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 10 June 2021 10: 56
          +5
          This guy also has such an option with a 90 liter backpack on his back.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 June 2021 13: 31
            +3
            Well, this is already the standard
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 10 June 2021 11: 13
          +6
          For an Israeli - for a quick transition to a second weapon when misfiring / running out of ammunition to a second, but ... this transition must be worked out to automatism, in his case I would prefer a pistol in the mount above the knee, although its use will take a second longer

          Tell me, what kind of machine gun does the Israeli have? "Tavor"?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 June 2021 11: 22
            +5
            He has Tavor TAR-21, Kolya. I didn’t sign it, believing that everyone already knew.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 June 2021 11: 23
              +7
              I didn’t sign, believing that everyone already knew.

              Thank you, Uncle Kostya! I just wanted to clarify. And then, you know, there are so many models of weapons that the eyes run up. For example, I can’t even imagine what kind of pistols we have in service now - there’s a whole list. fellow
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 June 2021 11: 33
                +5
                Not only my eyes, but my ears are starting to run up. But one thing I know for sure - all the best in the first place and without queuing goes to the gendarmerie.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 10 June 2021 13: 38
                  +5
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Not only my eyes, but my ears are starting to run up. But one thing I know for sure - all the best in the first place and without queuing goes to the gendarmerie.

                  Famas is going to the gendarmerie, I think))
                  A unit similar to the gendarmerie, in which I made a line, in my time received from the army on a "residual basis." The main armament for 1997 - 2000 was the standard long M-16, in the weapons section they were used as sniper rifles Mauser 1898 EMNIP, of the year, the M-15 was a sniper (!) Standard, etc.
                  Now, it seems, in a different way, but MAGAV still does not have Tavor - short Arches are different.
                  The best thing first of all goes to the landing force and some of the heavy infantry brigades. Then the rest. hi
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 07
                    +3
                    I meant the so-called. Rosguard.
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 10 June 2021 22: 31
                    +3
                    Well, I'm talking about her
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 10 June 2021 20: 38
        +1
        I see a soldier, a machine gun, but I see no other weapon
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 June 2021 20: 55
          +1
          Under the collar in front
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 10 June 2021 23: 10
          +2
          Look closely, the gun is on your chest, right under your chin.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 June 2021 23: 27
            +2
            It is convenient when, during a misfire / end of ammunition, you fold the rifle to the left with your left hand, at the same time your right goes up, then sideways, pulling out the pistol, throw your left fingers forward in a pinch position, well, you throw the pistol forward to it with the handle parallel to the ground, through it you bring the weapon is ready, you attach your left hand and you are already shooting. 2.3-2,7 sec. for prepared for the first pistol shot
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 June 2021 00: 04
              +2
              ... in a pinch position


              What is this for? Explain in more detail.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 11 June 2021 00: 06
                +2
                To pinch the bolt with the left, when you throw the pistol forward with the right
                Fingers in a position as if you are about to pinch someone
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 00: 16
                  +2
                  It is clear, I just assumed that the cartridge was already in the barrel and the pistol must either be removed from the safety lock, or it had already been removed.
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 11 June 2021 00: 20
                  +2
                  Already removed, but the cartridge is in the store
                  To remove the fuse, you need "fine (gentle) motor skills", which may not work in this situation. The cartridge in the barrel is unsafe, respectively. Therefore, everything is calculated this way
                3. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 00: 24
                  +2
                  But in real combat, I would prefer to have a cartridge in the barrel, a pistol removed from the safety lock with the trigger pulled. The shot is self-cocking, the descent is tight, but still comes out faster for seconds. But this is all theory, I did not participate in battles and it is not for me to judge which is more convenient.
                4. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 11 June 2021 00: 54
                  +3
                  It also depends on army traditions
                  Israelis have it that way
                  What you explained to me is logical
                  But the training of a pistol is different for everyone - for the Jews it is in this format.
                  During the beginning of the shelling of the fortification point in which we were, the eccentric asked me to remove the helmet fastened to his unloading from behind
                  I could not do this - fingers, like cotton))
                  But here - all people are different request
                5. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 03: 01
                  +4
                  But here - all people are different


                  But that's for sure, and you can't go anywhere.
                  As the unforgettable Svirid Petrovich Golokhvastov said: "Because one person is like that, another is like that. Why!" (C) laughing
                6. vladcub
                  vladcub 11 June 2021 11: 35
                  +3
                  Golokhvastov is something. There is no shishisha in his pocket, but he has little grief.
                  How he counted other people's money
                7. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 20: 46
                  +1
                  I read somewhere that Borisov could not play him sober and came to the stage already under a hefty "fly", the director did not tug at him and they did it! good laughing
                8. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 20: 54
                  +3
                  Not that word. At least now, once again, review some fragment.
                9. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 20: 57
                  +3
                  Hello, Sergey! hi
                  Yes, the whole film has long been torn at quotes, every phrase is a full paragraph! laughing
                10. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 06
                  +2
                  Hi Constantine!

                  “I went to Turkey, she went to Switzerland and lived there for three years in love and harmony” (c).
                11. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 21: 33
                  +1
                  "And he left for Baden-Baden" (c)
                12. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 43
                  +2
                  There was a literary anecdote about how Pushkin sent Turgenev for beer. And he could have gone to Baden.

                  Then the serfs brought beer.
                13. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 21: 50
                  +1
                  I have not heard this anecdote. I suddenly remembered Kharms, in whom all the poets stumbled over each other. laughing
                14. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 21: 55
                  +1
                  This is from what was attributed to Kharms.
                15. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 22: 01
                  +1
                  In general, I didn't really like him. request
                16. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 22: 16
                  +1
                  Not the same author as on the nearest shelves.
                17. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 22: 28
                  +2
                  They also wrote to him.
                18. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 22: 35
                  +2
                  From an anecdote: "Something I do not like this Senkevich."
                19. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 23: 13
                  +3
                  From the same place: "If you don't like it, don't eat it." smile
                20. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 23: 34
                  +2
                  “With such food,
                  How not to have a conversation ”(c).
                21. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 23: 39
                  +1
                  "I sit, eat an apple and look out the window" (c)
                22. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 23: 51
                  +2
                  "And for me - distant roads" (c).
                23. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 June 2021 23: 53
                  +2
                  "Yes, moonlit night" (c)
                24. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 11 June 2021 23: 57
                  +2
                  “I stand under the window
                  I'm with a guitar "(c).
                25. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 June 2021 00: 12
                  +2
                  "From dawn to dawn, from dark to dark
                  Talk about love, sing guitar string "(c)
                26. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 12 June 2021 00: 14
                  +2
                  "Guitar again
                  He does not want to be silent ”(c).
                27. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 June 2021 00: 27
                  +2
                  "Wander through the forests, go far and for a long time, learning to be silent" (c)
                28. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 12 June 2021 02: 47
                  +2
                  “I bless you, forests,
                  Valleys, fields, mountains, waters ”(c).
                29. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 June 2021 02: 51
                  +2
                  "In the reserved and dense,
                  Old Murom forests,
                  All evil spirits walk like a cloud
                  And fear spreads in the passers-by. "(C)

                30. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 12 June 2021 09: 26
                  +2
                  “And all my girlfriends:
                  Leeches and frogs "(c).
                31. Phil77
                  Phil77 12 June 2021 09: 35
                  +3
                  Speaking of frogs.

                  Hello, Sergey!
                32. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 12 June 2021 09: 42
                  +2
                  Hello Seryozha!

                  Favorite cartoon based on your favorite Kipling.
                33. Phil77
                  Phil77 12 June 2021 09: 46
                  +3
                  * and we will go north ... *
                  How was yesterday's Italy? I didn't see any particular advantage in the first half, but they finished it off. And VIPs without masks surprised me unpleasantly. Okay, our "Byzantineism", but Italy, but Rome ...
                34. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 12 June 2021 10: 03
                  +2
                  At the end of the first half, the Turks were locked in the penalty area.
                  10 Italians were striking.
                  Low sprout often look like perpetual motion machines.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 12 June 2021 11: 07
            +2
            The harsh prose of life. sad
          3. Korsar4
            Korsar4 12 June 2021 12: 17
            +2
            A lot of leeches in life and stuck.
          4. Phil77
            Phil77 12 June 2021 14: 52
            +3
            I remind you! I hate leeches since childhood. Brrrr! Vile creatures.
            As well as .... snakes.
          5. Korsar4
            Korsar4 12 June 2021 16: 13
            +2
            The pharmacies squirmed in three-liter jars. It was interesting to watch.
          6. Catfish
            Catfish 12 June 2021 22: 52
            +1
            Saw them in kind, pretty disgusting.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 12 June 2021 06: 41
    +1
    Kostya, greetings. They say: "You can't drink the skill," and if a blockhead, then both drunk and sober will remain so
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 11: 10
    +4
    These are military options for carrying weapons, they do not imply secrecy - only the convenience of actually carrying and ready for shooting.
    An armpit holster implies a concealed carrying of a weapon, but the designer of this "harness", in my opinion, forgot that the weapon, in addition to being worn, still needs to be removed and, often, done quickly.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 10 June 2021 11: 27
      +4
      When the barrel is hidden in an axillary holster, the immediate use of weapons is not always expected, for example, by police detectives, investigators, etc. In addition, such a holster was, perhaps, the very first for the concealed carrying of weapons. Before that there was a so-called "pistol pocket", a back pocket on men's trousers.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 June 2021 11: 41
        +4
        Inspector Lestrade remembered.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 10 June 2021 11: 58
          +4
          Performed by Brondukov. smile
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 10 June 2021 17: 53
            0
            I remember that idiot. By the way, according to the book, Leistred is still bm.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 10 June 2021 18: 33
          +3
          Aha! Hello Anton! And his phrase, of course from memory and not literally, but.
          * Since I am wearing trousers, it means I have a pocket, and if there is a pocket, then it is not empty. * From * Dogs ... *, yes! But there was also a television play from 71, where Sherlock was played by Nikolai Volkov.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 10 June 2021 18: 46
            +3
            So.
            Good evening, Sergey!
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 11: 45
        +7
        In our Department of Internal Affairs he served as an opera, so he used weapons on people almost once a year. At the same time, he was always right. Himself small, puny, dark-haired and so nimble. So, he, apparently, had some kind of special victimization - he attracted trouble. Either the gopniks will try to undress him in the courtyard, then he will run into a drunken scumbag in a cafe, then he will get into an accident with some inadequate, in short, he found trouble for one or two. But he shot remarkably and knew the rules of using weapons perfectly - he would shoot one leg, another - the shoulder, the third would simply be lowered into the mud and tied - and there were no complaints from the prosecutor's office. At the same time, I have never used weapons purely for work in my memory.
        So, what am I doing? He always carried a pistol in his harness under his armpit. And he made it for shooting, including the delivery of a cartridge, literally in a second. We, in any case, none of us could even figure out what was happening, and the trunk was already looking at you. He believed that in terms of the ratio of "secrecy - speed of preparation", an axillary holster was an ideal option. And every year he confirmed this in practice.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 10 June 2021 12: 04
          +6
          So after all, a professional, and training, for sure, constant, and for an amateur the holster wherever he hangs, while he is poking around with taking out the barrel, he will be slammed a hundred times with a frying pan. And not only this is the point, the ability to competently handle weapons, the point is how much a person is ready to use weapons, and not everyone succeeds.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 June 2021 13: 47
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            So after all, a professional, and training, for sure, constant, and for an amateur the holster wherever he hangs, while he is poking around with taking out the barrel, he will be slammed a hundred times with a frying pan. And not only this is the point, the ability to competently handle weapons, the point is how much a person is ready to use weapons, and not everyone succeeds.

            My first attempt to run to the source of danger with a pistol in hand looked very cool - a magazine fell out of the gun while running. laughing Ng I was not lost - I put in a new one and still ran. And I didn't find anyone there lol
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 15: 52
            +3
            Yes, which opera of the district administration is a professional in shooting ... I just got my hand in one single action and learned the relevant regulations. With his ability to get into trouble and attract aggression, of course, this helped him in life. But not at work. When such a small and puny spindle does not behave according to its size and musculature, you always want to give it a turnip. Those who wanted to were there all the time. And the time was like that - the end of the 90s ... By the way, in the department they called him - Shooter. smile
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 June 2021 13: 43
          +4
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          He believed that in terms of the ratio of "secrecy - speed of preparation", an axillary holster was an ideal option. And every year he confirmed this in practice.

          Brought to automatism. My friend kicked in a half-jump or with a U-turn from almost any distance (except the closest one), while doing track and field athletics. And he punched everyone on the street laughing
          Once shown - I worked out every day in different variations hi
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 10 June 2021 15: 58
            +4
            I also had a signature reception on the carpet. Everyone knew and still came across. And who did not know - got caught faster. The main thing is not to rely only on it as a panacea, but to use it only when the situation has it.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 June 2021 16: 23
              +4
              Well, of course))
              Everything is done "in combination" with something else
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 10 June 2021 17: 46
            +3
            "worked in different variations" and brought it to automatism
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 June 2021 18: 40
              +2
              I guess, yes
      3. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 10 June 2021 20: 28
        +2
        Konstantin, in all fairness, not all pistols are convenient to carry in your back pocket.
        Such as Parabellum, Mauser "bolo" in your back pocket can not be put, but "Walter PPK", I like it, or "baby" (girlfriend likes the name) perfectly
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 10 June 2021 21: 17
          +2
          Vera, so whoever would think of stuffing a Parabellum into his back pocket, there are no such freaks. For this there are "Browning" 1900, 1908 and 1910 and a bunch of all kinds of fakes, including Spanish and Chinese. And the "Eight" is only for the belt, if there is no holster.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 11 June 2021 15: 29
            +4
            And the "Eight" is only for the belt, if there is no holster.
            Konstantin, my bow !!! hi
            You will now advise something to young youth, only a pendant and a holster, otherwise safety techniques and speed, they are crying right in the belt, like this:




            1. Intruder
              Intruder 11 June 2021 15: 32
              +4
              Rather, I am in favor of the old and the good, reliable - proven for centuries on different continents:




            2. Catfish
              Catfish 11 June 2021 20: 01
              +4
              Denis, hello and best wishes. hi
              Yes, I, in principle, do not advise anything, because I myself dragged a holster with a PM only in the army and only on the belt. This is, in general, like pants and boots, everyone chooses what is most comfortable for him. smile
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 12 June 2021 10: 51
                +2
                Yes, I, in principle, do not advise anything, because I myself dragged a holster with a PM only in the army and only on the belt.
                I still carry a belt of a soft type and I have two sizes for different "products", but the shoulder did not take root not in the "past" and not in "this" life, it caused and causes irritation and discomfort with constant wearing ... belt, hmm ... I just wrote in this matter earlier, but yak, the extraction speed in a situation is critical for the carrier, until you pull in your belly, or as they wrote above, the belly clings, or the clothes, and then alas: "do not think about seconds high ... "!? wink
          2. Timeout
            Timeout 11 June 2021 23: 39
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Vera, so whoever would think of stuffing a Parabellum into his back pocket, there are no such freaks. For this there are "Browning" 1900, 1908 and 1910 and a bunch of all kinds of fakes, including Spanish and Chinese. And the "Eight" is only for the belt, if there is no holster.

            Colleague, this is unlikely ... The figure eight does not hold on to the belt, falls through and clings with levers. Self-harm is very possible))
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 June 2021 23: 52
              +3
              Colleague hi , a lot of things normally hold on to the belt, you just need to tighten this belt, and not unfasten the belt, and it clings, like some others, exclusively with a fly. An uncomfortable sock, I agree, but it's better than carrying it in your pocket.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 12 June 2021 00: 20
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                and he clings, like some others, exclusively with a fly

                No no)). Just with the belt tightened, if worn on the belly, with a protrusion at the trigger guard on the left side, you tear your belly until it bleeds, if from behind it clings to the belt. For a left-handed person, in reverse order)). Proven by personal experience.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 12 June 2021 00: 23
                +3
                Taki also checked, everything is fine with the stomach, maybe it all depends on its size? wink
              3. Timeout
                Timeout 12 June 2021 00: 29
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                maybe it all depends on its size?
                Rather forms))
              4. Catfish
                Catfish 12 June 2021 02: 36
                +3
                Not recommended for pregnant women. laughing
              5. Timeout
                Timeout 12 June 2021 04: 36
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Not recommended for pregnant women. laughing

                That's for sure)) And not pregnant the same.
              6. Intruder
                Intruder 12 June 2021 10: 54
                0
                Not recommended for pregnant women
                In general, it is better for them not to carry a holster with various lethal devices, but is in relatively safe places, otherwise the wrong assessment of the situation (with the destabilization of hormones in stress) and alas, it is possible to exceed the permissible limits ....! wassat
              7. Catfish
                Catfish 12 June 2021 11: 01
                0
                They are now having fun in Europe with their Muslim brothers. wassat
              8. Timeout
                Timeout 12 June 2021 14: 29
                -1
                Quote: Intruder
                alas, you can exceed the permissible limits ....!

                What is the framework? "Stand your ground" does it exist in vain? Moreover, the pregnant woman has already been protecting two lives. It feels like you don't live in the USA ...
              9. Intruder
                Intruder 12 June 2021 21: 58
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                What is the framework? "Stand your ground" does it exist in vain?

                And this is about applicability and about the framework with which even pregnant citizens must be reckoned with, read it yourself or make a translation!?:
                Yes, in California a person can use deadly force or violence against another person (“justifiable homicide”) to protect themselves or others from harm. This is known as an affirmative defense to murder charges, voluntary manslaughter charges, or charges for violent crimes.
                A California criminal jury instruction states that a person acted in lawful self-defense if he or she reasonably believed that:
                There was an imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury;
                the immediate use of deadly force was necessary to defend against that danger; and
                he or she used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against that danger. (California jury instruction CalCrim 505)
                Imminent danger must be immediate and present, and not prospective or even in the near future. An imminent danger is one that must be instantly dealt with. An example is having a deadly weapon such as a gun being pointed at your head.
              10. Timeout
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                Quote: Intruder
                And this is about applicability and about the framework with which even pregnant citizens must be reckoned with, read it yourself or make a translation!?:

                Why? Especially for you:
                Can a person use lethal force for protection in California?
                Yes, in California, a person can use deadly force or violence against another person (“justifiable killing”) to protect themselves or others from harm. This is known as an affirmative defense against charges of murder, voluntary homicide, or violent crime charges.

                The California Criminal Jury Instruction states that a person acted in lawful self-defense if he or she reasonably believed that:

                There was an imminent danger of being killed or seriously injured;
                the immediate use of lethal force was necessary to defend against this danger; as well as
                he or she did not use more force than was reasonably necessary to protect against this danger. (California Jury Instruction CalCrim 505)
                And here is taken out of context:
                ... The imminent danger must be immediate and present, not perceived or even imminent. An imminent danger is one that must be dealt with immediately. An example would be a deadly weapon like a pistol aimed at your head.

                Severe bodily injury means serious or substantial bodily harm.

                In addition, this jury order makes it clear that the person does not need to run away:

                “No derogation is required from the accused. He or she has the right to defend his position and defend himself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue the attacker until the danger of death or serious injury has passed. This is so even if security could be achieved by retreating. "
                You can try to spin further ... Link to article for comrades:
                https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/is-california-a-stand-your-ground-state/
          3. Timeout
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            Quote: Timeout
            It feels like you don't live in the USA ...

            Well, yes, the last visit was 13:56 Moscow time. It's 3:56
            Californian. So, comrade is another "foreigner" ... This is where the elementary lack of knowledge of the subject comes from.
          4. Intruder
            Intruder 12 June 2021 15: 43
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            It's 3:56 California. So, comrade is another "foreigner" ..

            Or, any other time zone, but in general I am an owl, you know, there are such people, surprisingly and very much I like to work at night, especially at a distance now ... yes no one interferes at night and does not distract, even by accident ... (even more so if other developers live in other sentries) !!!
          5. Timeout
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            Or, any other time zone

            I don't care whether you are an owl or a lark. For you yourself are constantly repeating about living in Central California, where there are supposedly Russian hills. Your knowledge of US laws, in particular "Stand your ground", or the fact that since August 2020, California has lifted the ban on the sale of large-capacity stores for weapons has been questioned. And about what else the ban on assault weapons was canceled, perhaps it is worth keeping silent? Just because of this law, you would not be able to buy the M1A, which you allegedly own. Or how do you post a photo of knives from the Hansa, calling them your own, also to remind?
          6. Intruder
            Intruder 12 June 2021 21: 50
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            Your knowledge of US laws is questioned, in particular, "Stand your ground"
            And where did I forget, oh:
            Under California's self-defense law, someone acts in lawful self defense or defense of another if:
            the person reasonably believes that he or she, or another person, is in imminent danger of being harmed;
            the person reasonably believes that the immediate use of force is necessary to defend against that danger; and the person uses no more force than is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger.
            The reasonable fear of imminent peril must be immediate and present. Under California case law an imminent danger is one that must be instantly dealt with. See People v. Humphrey (1996) 13 Cal. 4th 1073.
            ?? laughing
            Or how do you post a photo of knives from the Hanse, calling them your own, also remind?
            You in HP, throw off my cold, personally take good photos and throw it off !? If so, question ... yes
            that since August 2020, California has lifted the ban on the sale of large-capacity gun stores
            So what!? Canceled, there is such and where did I talk about the opposite ???
          7. Timeout
            Timeout 13 June 2021 05: 05
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            Quote: Intruder
            And where did I forget, oh:

            It is impossible to forget what you do not know. You proved it with the comment above. Everything is taken out of the context of the article again.
            Quote: Intruder
            So what!? Canceled, there is such and where did I talk about the opposite ???

            As where? For example: link to comment:
            https://topwar.ru/index.php?cstart=12&do=lastcomments&userid=194535#comment
            Quote from there:
            Quote: Intruder
            I'm only talking about legal products with a license, and 10 rounds is the maximum allowed ..., you can keep an "extended box" as a last resort, just not loaded and separate from the weapon in a pouch

            Quote: Intruder
            I will personally take good photos and throw them off!
            Throw it off, but it will still be like in this post:
            https://topwar.ru/179858-nozhi-v-rossii-holodnoe-oruzhie-ili-net.html#comment-id-11233224
            But who stole it from the Hansa:
            https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/97/2660519-m62247354.html
            It even became interspersed what the answer would follow. Most likely "This is me on the Hansa" ...
          8. Intruder
            Intruder 13 June 2021 05: 15
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            But who stole it from the Hansa:
            I mean, stolen !? This knife is not unique ... made !!! It's completely skidded, you have to answer for the bazaar, that's it! ??? What would have been stolen and (from anyone interested), you need to steal first, and this product is massive, but here is a brief history of its manufacturer (that same knife):
            Production plant of the Moscow Society of Hunters and Fishermen (PK MOOiR). The history of MOOiR goes back to the Moscow Hunting Society, created in 1859. After a period of inactivity, the Moscow Hunting Society was organized in 1944, reorganized in 1960 into the Moscow Society of Hunters and Fishermen. To supply the hunters, the MOOiR Production Plant was created, which was located in the Moscow region of Zvyagino. PC produced a wide variety of knives. MOOiR still exists, only it no longer has a PC.

            If you are so smart, please sir, it is already possible to explain yourself here, or to shut up then !!!
          9. Timeout
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            Quote: Intruder
            I mean, stolen !?

            Usually. Or is this a photo of your knife? Well, yes, it was easier to look for a photo on the internet than to take a photo of your own, which is within walking distance. How does the description from the manufacturer's website prove ownership? So the excuse is not valid.
          10. Intruder
            Intruder 13 June 2021 15: 28
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            How does the description from the manufacturer's website prove ownership? So the excuse is not valid.
            Excuses, dear, you already have it, I wrote that my knife is from the same manufacturer and series of the same, by the way, even clarified about the handle ... if you track my comments correctly !? wink Photos on the internet, I found a long time ago, when I was looking for the history of this knife and in the Hanse, too, by the way, if we have already touched on this topic! What does not suit you, it is difficult to just follow the leaps in your mood, here in the comments !!! Sorry, if you hurt me again!
            PS So, how about theft, keep quiet somehow ..., I asked you to explain yourself here in the subject and a little - to answer for the man's words, and the public would appreciate us, me and you! ???
          11. Timeout
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            Quote: Intruder
            I wrote that my knife is from the same manufacturer and series of the same, by the way, I even clarified about the handle

            Come on!

            Quote: Intruder
            Are you following my comments correctly !?

            How do you like tracking? Even the necessary is underlined.
            Quote: Intruder
            Photos in the internet, I found a long time ago, when I was looking for the history of this knife in the Hanse, too, by the way, if we have already touched on this topic!

            Again, underline the necessary?
            Quote: Intruder
            I asked you to explain yourself here in the topic and a little - to answer for the man's words, and the public would appreciate us, me and you! ???

            So now explain how you bought an assault weapon in California, why you don’t know about the abolition of the capacity limitation, and why the hell you’re lying stupidly. Respond for your words. Or should I post all the screenshots with your jambs? And this is what I ask and asked to explain, not you. For the question was initially asked about knowledge of the law, you leaked it, trying to show the cuts from the loers website, while taking them out of context. So, in fact, it is a common lie and an attempt to mislead the public.
          12. Intruder
            Intruder 14 June 2021 16: 11
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            Or should I post all the screenshots with your jambs?
            Well, if there is nothing more to do, or a lot of free and extra time in life, then you can spend it as you like !?
            Respond for your words.
            And for yours, I should also answer here! ???? laughing

            Because the question was initially asked about knowledge of the law, you leaked it, trying to show the cuts from the loers website, while taking them out of context.
            Well, I wrote only quotes, and then you again brought a link to the resource, where is the catch, Karl !?

            So, in fact, it is a common lie and an attempt to mislead the public.
            Wordless and only, where is the evidence, or again the stars in the morning did not agree !?
          13. Timeout
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            Quote: Intruder
            a lot of free and extra time

            Don't worry about my time. It's not me hanging out on VO for half a day.
            Quote: Intruder
            And for yours, I should also answer here !?

            How! So you haven't answered for yours yet.
            Quote: Intruder
            Well I only wrote quotes

            With your wife, you also have quotes, interrupted remotely? Laws are not quoted.
            Quote: Intruder
            Verbatim and only where is the evidence

            Well, yes, you still need to call Rabbi or the administration as an arbitrator. You were poked with your nose like a soggy kitten, and after that you puff out your cheeks.
          14. Intruder
            Intruder 14 June 2021 19: 49
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            With your wife, you also have quotes, interrupted remotely
            The joke did not go well, because in a boorish way and not in the subject .., you'd better think about yours so personal ... although who is interested here !?
            Well, yes, you still need to call Rabbi or the administration as an arbitrator.
            And what, you already question that we all have common ancestors ... Adam and Eve (in the field of rabbi ... or other racial complexes in life ...), but if we assume that according to the theory of "journalist" Darwin , then alas .., there are only palm trees and bananas ... someone has "our everything" !!! wink
            Don't worry about my time. It's not me hanging out on VO for half a day.
            I am worried about the animals abandoned on the road, because intelligent primates are such bastards !?
            So why should I not worry about your limited time in life, maybe you need psychological help, what kind of advice or just a reminder that the clock is ticking ... ??? yes
          15. Timeout
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            Quote: Intruder
            because in a boorish way and not in the subject ..

            What did you mean? I'm actually talking about quarantine, coronavirus ... Ahh, do you understand that you have these problems? My sincere condolences!
            Quote: Intruder
            And what, you are already questioning that we all have common ancestors.

            I see you have a hefty hefty grass, it won't let go. That's where your problems come from ... Yeah, one uses, but the whole family suffers.
            Quote: Intruder
            I am worried about the animals abandoned on the road, because intelligent primates are such bastards !?
            So why should I not worry about your limited time in life, maybe you need psychological help, what kind of advice or just a reminder that the clock is ticking ... ??

            What did you mean? It looks like you are alternatively gifted with us, good luck in learning about the world. As you open your psychological help office, all animal lovers are yours.
  • Verum
    Verum 14 June 2021 04: 12
    -1
    Quote: Intruder
    for the words of the man to answer, and the audience would have appreciated us, me and you! ???

    Comrade, a man is always responsible for the market! And nothing intelligible has been heard from you. Munchkin, mine is not mine, that's all. And there are no facts ... You were asked a question, and you skillfully move away from the topic. You are also trying to turn everything out as if you were asking, and not being asked from you. Ugly comrade, ugly. You stole a photo, here you are shouting my director, but in fact, even in the commentary, you did not decide that this is a similar knife, like mine. Come on, the invader, and I will look at your attempts.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 June 2021 16: 14
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    Comrade, a man is always responsible for the market!
    Where is the link to his commentary in the studio !? And so, the intrigue continues, let's see how he will spend time here, this "man" !!!! And where did you get the idea, with what fright, that I am to you - Comrade !!! We didn't drink together at the same table and didn't baptize children, somehow never ... wink
  • Verum
    Verum 15 June 2021 09: 55
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    Quote: Intruder
    Where is the link to his commentary in the studio !?

    So take a look at the post above with screenshots. And I'll add proof of where you stole it.
    Quote: Intruder
    how will he spend time here, this "man"

    So this is wasting time on various excuses and semantic excrement. And why do you not like the word man? Or are you one of these reverse assholes?
    Quote: Intruder
    You take, with what fright, that I am to you - Comrade !!!

    I apologize, the reverse ass are not comrades, they are generally enemies of humanity.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 June 2021 14: 26
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    Or are you one of these reverse assholes?
    Interesting "hook", but by !!! laughing
  • Verum
    Verum 19 June 2021 03: 50
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    Quote: Intruder
    Interesting "hook", but by !!!

    Somehow I am on women ... With "hooks" to Kolya Baskov, he will not miss.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 June 2021 14: 51
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    So take a look at the post above with screenshots. And I'll add proof of where you stole it.
    We have already switched to "You", but this is a creditable rudeness, dear !? good
  • Verum
    Verum 19 June 2021 03: 48
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    Quote: Intruder
    We have already switched to "You", but this is a creditable rudeness, dear !?

    Come on! Or megalomania tortured? Since 2014 you should be called "you", you should get used to it.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 June 2021 16: 26
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    And I'll add proof of where you stole it.
    Can you add to this, or just grind with your tongue ... a lot !?
    This is a photo of the knife on which you and your friend were, both were so excited laughing laughing :

    How do you like this, dear Verum (Verum) !? bully
  • Verum
    Verum 19 June 2021 03: 37
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    Of course available,
    Quote: Intruder
    Can you add to this, or just grind with your tongue ... a lot !?
    This is a photo of the knife on which

    Isn't it already? You need to add this, a piece of paper to the knife, with a nickname. And lay out the second with a white handle. Then everything will be in openwork.
    Quote: Intruder
    How do you like this, dear Verum (Verum) !?

    In general, did you want to surprise with a Canon timestamp?
  • Intruder
    Intruder 19 June 2021 09: 38
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    You need to add this, a piece of paper to the knife, with a nickname. And lay out the second with a white handle. Then everything will be in openwork.
    Well, yes, well, yes: a full-length photograph and a panorama of a gun safe, with geolocation data (notarized ...) and with a passport in his left hand !? Wanting is not harmful, dear ... Duc still do not believe it ...! ???? laughing laughing laughing
  • Verum
    Verum 14 June 2021 02: 34
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    This means that comrade is another "foreigner".

    Sergey, welcome! What, the next "foreign fighting hamster" caught? And then, I see how he spins, just a skinner)) Now he will start with a topic on the topic of jumping to cover up non-sloppiness!
  • Timeout
    Timeout 14 June 2021 02: 58
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    Quote: Verum
    Now he will start with a topic on the topic of jumping in order to cover up non-sloppiness!

    Greetings! fellow So it already jumps and twirls like a louse on a comb. I give him a fact with proof, he is some kind of shnyaga in return. He says that he lives in Central California, and will immediately send in about the Russian Hills, which are located in Frisco, and he has nothing to do with Central California, from the word in general. I asked him about the law on self-defense, so he pokes at 503 instruction for the jury, deliberately cutting it off until it makes no sense. Copies other people's photos from other resources and presents them as their own. So he also managed to buy M1A, with a ban on assault weapons. In short, he has a lot of such pearls in his comments. But he's not the first, I'll look for him on Spokeo. In his words, he has been in the states since 2014, and he is also married to an American woman, infa should be 100%. And if not, then it breaks like a gray gelding.
  • Verum
    Verum 14 June 2021 03: 33
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    Quote: Timeout
    And if not, then it breaks like a gray gelding

    So it is visible to the naked eye. In addition, this comrade is most likely someone's avatar, or banned, or stupidly double. Novoreg, almost a year did not post, and then burst out. If you throw off the progress of your debates on a cart, you yourself know I rarely come here.
  • Timeout
    Timeout 14 June 2021 03: 42
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    Ok, I'll throw it off. There are suspicions about one individual "human" ... But so far there are suspicions. But the syllable is similar, similar ...
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 June 2021 16: 18
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    In short, he has a lot of such pearls in his comments. But he's not the first, I'll look for him on Spokeo. In his words, he has been in the states since 2014, and he is also married to an American woman, infa should be 100%.
    Digging to help, in this thankless task, or suggest a couple of resources in a better way than Spokeo for a different kind of deanonizing "hamsters" !? And so, yes ... you are already intriguing yourself that you can dig up on "digital traces" there, maybe you missed something and left it yourself, well, let's see ... not interested!!! I believe in you ... good
  • Timeout
    Timeout 14 June 2021 18: 50
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    Quote: Intruder
    To dig to help, in this thankless task, or to suggest a couple of resources in a better way,

    You cannot understand your words, but here you are talking about search resources. How impressed are you with Texasa's 3D printing link that only penguins don't know about ...
    Quote: Intruder
    for different species, deanonizing "hamsters

    Are you talking about yourself? Do not be so upset, you are not there, from the word at all. Neither entered, did not marry, did not naturalize. So sir, you are an ordinary liar troll.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 June 2021 19: 11
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    Do not be so upset, you are not there, from the word at all. Neither entered, was not considered a marriage, did not naturalize. So sir, you are an ordinary liar troll.
    Great, it means that I have left little on the network, especially for the level of such services, otherwise I thought that all the cranks ... Of course I could throw off the marriage certificate for you, but the point ... You still tell me later that the fake is photoshop ...!? laughing Or maybe you can also send the key to the apartment (more precisely, the house), where the money is ... and the password from the safe to the heap ... ??? Something you disappointed me, much !!! And I was hoping that you would nevertheless find something from your past life in this clearnet ...
  • Timeout
    Timeout 14 June 2021 19: 26
    -1
    Quote: Intruder
    Of course I could throw off your marriage certificate, but the point.

    Is it the same as a photo of knives? This is usually done. Threw off the proof, they apologized to you. And you are just sabotage.
    Quote: Intruder
    safe password

    And is it Americanized? The password is on the safe, not the code. Again the devil in the little things?
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 June 2021 19: 34
    -1
    And this is Americanized?
    Shaw, there was no such thing, well, why did you and me in these, accomplices of the State Department, wrote it down !? laughing
    The password is on the safe, not the code. Again the devil in the little things?
    What about the code, I don’t know that ..., I know the original one, but the code for the safe is already your gloomy notion, I wrote it in Russian, but it should have been in Latin !? And then they would have remembered that they had forgotten their native Cyrillic alphabet, right !? yes
    Is it the same as a photo of knives?
    so until I threw it off, I carefully read your interesting opuses, there is not enough time to reach the wall with a knife and take another photo, and send you in a personal, and here you again suspect me of something, by the way, marriage can be combined in different countries if the agreements between the countries allow it to be done for two different citizens among other things bully , You know about it I hope ...!?, So for example ... wink
  • Timeout
    Timeout 15 June 2021 07: 49
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    Quote: Intruder
    Shaw, there was no such thing, well, why did you and me in these, accomplices of the State Department, wrote it down!
    No, take it higher, an Internet troll is an honor, especially because of the cordon.
    Quote: Intruder
    What about the code, I don't know this ..., I know the original one, but the code for the safe is already your gloomy idea,

    Are you trying to blur the jamb again with verbal diarrhea? Go ahead.
    Quote: Intruder
    so until I threw it off, I carefully read your interesting opuses here, there is not enough time to reach the wall with a knife and take another photo, and send you in a personal

    Well, yes, you are a man of your word ... Or as young people now say "the boy said, the boy did" or "the boy said, the boy took his word back." Very "masculine". The rainbow ones did not stand nearby.
    Quote: Intruder
    by the way, marriage can be combined in different countries if agreements between countries allow it to be done for two different citizens, among other things

    This is what minorities do in our country. And the citizens of the great mattress do not bother, why should they then still do the reunion of the spouses? It's easier for them K-1, a marriage license. And in this case, you have not a marriage certificate, but an apostille. Again, elementary knowledge of the laws fails you. On studying the subject before starting holivar.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 June 2021 14: 34
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    And in this case, you have not a marriage certificate, but an apostille.
    Apostille is an international standardized form for filling out information on the legality of a document for presentation on the territory of countries that recognize this form of legalization. The Apostille stamp is placed on originals and copies of documents. Maybe you know what documents and to whom it is put in the marriage of foreign citizens, if not, I can tell you, I have a couple of documents in stock ...!? wink
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 June 2021 19: 13
    -1
    How impressed are you with Texasa's 3D printing link that only penguins don't know about ...
    And this is forbidden, I am just an impressionable person and I still appreciate it in myself, a person wrote well, but he was banned .... sorry .., few good and positive ones remained on this planet ... many were brought to the country "eternal hunt"!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 10 June 2021 07: 49
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    13. Holes on parts were often not drilled, but punched, preheating them in order to relieve the arising stresses
    14. However, this operation was carried out sequentially, using three punches of different diameters!

    This is not a punch, this is a piercing. A punch is, roughly speaking, a pipe. And the tool with which a hole is obtained using a backing ring, as in the figure, is a piercing.
    If the backing ring is not used, then a barb is used.
    And the punctured part of the metal that is discarded (in the figure - falls into the hole) is called an otter.
    In fact, very little is known about the technology of making armor and technological methods.
    Therefore, this question is best studied with a manual forging textbook (such can still be found).
    Or read a book by P.P. von Winkler "All About Cold Weapons", Chapter Twelve.
    1. kalibr
      10 June 2021 08: 11
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      Quote: Undecim
      And the tool with which a hole is obtained using a backing ring, as in the figure, is a piercing.
      If the backing ring is not used, then a barb is used.
      And the punctured part of the metal that is discarded (in the figure - falls into the hole) is called an otter.

      Very interesting. Thank you! Didn't know that. And, of course, the Swedes had different terms.
    2. balabol
      balabol 11 June 2021 01: 45
      +1
      Good day. Can you dispel my doubts. To add volume to the cuirass, its middle is forged. It's a straightforward process. Some details are still molded in approximately this way. But at the same time, the middle of the part becomes thinner where the material is penetrated, for a cuirass it is precisely the most important part. I read that, on the contrary, in the manufacture of cuirasses, they sought to increase the thickness in the center with a thinning towards the edges. The question is - did you take a sheet preformed in thickness or pull it from the edge?
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 10 June 2021 08: 55
    +5
    Nice, yes.

    But not behind.
    1. Richard
      Richard 10 June 2021 14: 04
      +4
      Nice, yes. But not behind.

      It is not beautiful without armor on the ass and at the parade, and it is not comfortable in battle, but it is convenient at a halt yes
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 10 June 2021 20: 07
        +2
        * no armor on the ass *. Yes, yesterday many were convinced of this! laughing On the example of the given illustration. bully
  • BAI
    BAI 10 June 2021 13: 29
    +6
    There are masters in the manufacture of armor in Moscow (3) and in the Moscow region (1).



    The cheapest ammunition suitable for contact combat will cost the customer 160 thousand rubles. The most expensive one, which has already been forged and collected, is half a million. Therefore, the terms of reference and taking measurements are taken especially seriously.

    In one of the rooms there are customers' legs hanging from the ceiling - dummies of all possible lengths and sizes. According to the rules, if the customer cannot come to the workshop in person, he will be sent a scheme for measurements.
    For one Swiss museum, the craftsmen made ammunition, relying only on the image in the picture. “I made a graphic reconstruction - there are many conventions in painting, so I had to work through everything in detail,” says Ilya. "Now museum staff use this armor for various events."
  • vladcub
    vladcub 10 June 2021 17: 17
    +1
    "their wives and neighbors, I don't know," but you don't want to check?
    PSV. Oh, belatedly, but you said that your spouse and daughter are not allowed to use glue traps from mice. Plant in the dacha: mint, burdock, tansy and mice will send your dacha and goblin and go to others.
    My aunt had mint in the flower garden and the mice were gone
    1. kalibr
      13 June 2021 20: 54
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      Svyatoslav! I have a cat that catches and eats them. It's a pleasure for her. And in winter, mint and tansy do not grow. I am at the dacha leaving them mummifying food. It's very funny to find their mummies later ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 14 June 2021 05: 50
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        I do not know such a remedy yet. I buy peppermint oil at the pharmacy, moisten napkins with it and leave it somewhere. I periodically update napkins and mice leave me for a while
        1. kalibr
          14 June 2021 06: 09
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          I use this food for the winter. Very effective! I don't remember the name ...
  • depressant
    depressant 10 June 2021 17: 25
    +4
    The feeling of absurdity remains. Artistic armor that no one wore. The armor worn by the cat.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 10 June 2021 17: 56
      +3
      The armor worn by the cat.
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      For mice, too !. These trinkets are made by Canadian Jeff de Boer
      https://www.iizcat.com/post/4620/Artist-creates-glorious-medieval-suits-of-armor-for-cats-and-mice-Gallery-
      1. depressant
        depressant 10 June 2021 18: 12
        +3
        As a trinket - lovely)))
        Imagine, I'm not afraid of either mice or rats. Spiders are not very pleasant. I hope no one has guessed to make armor for them.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 10 June 2021 18: 27
          +2
          make armor for them.
          If philosophically-spiders and so men at arms: the exoskeleton of their armor.

          I still remember the screeching of the former, who found the owners of the London subway darting underfoot laughing
          1. depressant
            depressant 10 June 2021 19: 05
            +3
            Poor little mice! What can you find edible in this subway ...
            Battleship. Turtle. Hedgehog. A porcupine - not even a tiger can eat it. The other day there was a funny video: a long thorn of a porcupine clung to the face of a tiger, and the poor fellow could not get rid of it. What a victory there ...
            This is how nature gives ideas for armor protection, which are now being implemented with the use of advanced technologies.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 10 June 2021 19: 09
              +2
              What can you find edible in this subway?
              A lot of everything - they are fed by the staff, because the mouse is a subway beast, and a lot falls from passengers - they can eat half of the sandwich at the station yes Water is also in abundance - water caps and condensate in the tunnels. They are grimy, but there are no cats.
              1. depressant
                depressant 10 June 2021 20: 05
                +2
                But there are rush hours. The death of a small animal is possible. Is not it so?
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 10 June 2021 20: 07
                  +2
                  During rush hours they do not climb the platforms. When they make sorties, they masterly and very quickly jump between the boots of the passengers. Close to the edge of the platform where people don't fit. They are not afraid at all.
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 11 June 2021 17: 42
            +2
            who found the owners of the London subway darting underfoot laughing
            Poor and cute animals, I still remember how in the office I beat the last representative of the fauna in that area with a plastic broom, I still dream of her glazed look: "Homo - for what ..." !!! crying
            1. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 18: 23
              +4
              And the ghost of the murdered mouse
              Flashing sudden in the corners
              And in a whisper, "Do you hear me, spiteful?"
              The reproach became trash
              Covenants of kindness, decency and honor
              And every day haunting revenge!
              crying wassat
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 11 June 2021 18: 25
                +2
                And the ghost of the murdered mouse
                Flashing sudden in the corners
                Well, this is already a nightmare, some kind of ... so that the ghost also roams around in the corners !? lol
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 11 June 2021 17: 35
      +2
      Artistic armor that no one wore.
      Madam, greetings !!! Why is it absurd, such was the fashion in those days, the steepness was immediately visible, although in reality ... few people could swing a six-handle or two-handed in a real battle ... as now - gilded "cauldrons" on the brushes a machine, but more than the neighbors' and the door is thicker, or the fence is more massive in a country house! I generally keep quiet about long yachts with helipads ... bully
      Although grandfather Freud was still right ... about the lengths and sizes, in the minds of patients! lol
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 11 June 2021 18: 32
        +2
        Good evening! I read your dialogue with pleasure and ... again I am with the film!

        "Ismay:
        -Freud?
        Who is this?
        Passenger?" laughing
      2. depressant
        depressant 11 June 2021 18: 38
        +2
        Greetings, colleague! hi )))
        In fact, considering only the costumes of bygone eras - civil and military, we lose sight of many features of the social life of those times that are inherent in us - were, are and will never go away. For example, what were the ways of presenting the news? From the novels of that time, the first thing that comes to mind is heralds as walking messengers. But they announced the official news coming from the authorities. However, the ways of disseminating important unofficial news that are important for the economy, I believe, were not at all served through the throats of professionals.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 11 June 2021 19: 05
          +2
          Unofficial news was learned from unofficial sources. Just very professional. And let's remember the recent past? No, no, we will not take into account the "voices of the enemy." How did we find out almost all the news? Neighbors, friends, grannies near the entrances, etc. .d. wink
          1. depressant
            depressant 11 June 2021 19: 41
            +2
            I believe that through our neighbors and friends we rather received an assessment of the official news, and unofficial news is a cunning insider news coming from the top as a reflection of the struggle of their representatives among themselves. Grannies are, rather, "local" news)))
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 11 June 2021 19: 50
              +2
              Wait, wait. Through neighbors and friends, we received not an assessment of the information, but the information itself. And those, in turn, from their friends and relatives, like circles in the water. But in the obligatory sequence / as you correctly noted, from top to bottom /. Remember Chernobyl, first unofficial rumors, a little later unofficial "voices of the enemy" and only then an official statement from above.
              1. depressant
                depressant 11 June 2021 20: 12
                +2
                Honestly, I learned about Chernobyl from the official press - well, I lived in such a place. At that time, the local news was much hotter, there were tanks in the city, and in them tankers were on duty in shifts day and night, a quarrel was being prepared between Abkhazians and Georgians, all "outsiders" were actively selling housing for a pittance to the locals. This was important. And Chernobyl was interested only in terms of whether the cloud will reach us or not. We found out that it wouldn’t work, and, okay, we returned to the local news. They immediately forgot about Chernobyl. It happens when local news is much more important than central news, because life and health depended on local news, such as we had. But I am interested in the history of the emergence of the press - when did it appear in the form of newspapers that were sold by loud distributors? And also when it consciously turned into an instrument for manipulating public consciousness.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 11 June 2021 20: 21
                  +2
                  Noisy distributors? Yes, probably from the appearance of the first newspaper.
                  A tool for manipulating public consciousness? I suspect that also from the appearance of the first newspaper.
                  Well, not only to report the news? wink
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 11 June 2021 20: 58
                    +1
                    Do you suppose with the first newspaper? It seems to me that this is not entirely true. However, if the newspaper was official, then it is possible. Another thing is also interesting. Who was the first publisher, where did he get the money, how the journalists worked, where did they come from, etc. There must have been printing houses already.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 11 June 2021 21: 13
                      +2
                      One of the first publishers was Theophrastus Renaudot, La Gazette, from 1631, Paris.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 11 June 2021 21: 34
                        +2
                        1632 The first newspaper advertisements appear, offering to sell, buy, rent real estate, and to hire construction workers.
                        1839 - the first photo advertisement!
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 11 June 2021 21: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        1632 The first newspaper advertisements appear, offering to sell, buy, rent real estate, and to hire construction workers.
                        1839 - the first photo advertisement!

                        This is a promotional photo from 1906.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 June 2021 05: 52
                        +1
                        Good morning! For some reason, this particular photo stands out as the first one.
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 June 2021 06: 32
                        +1
                        Inaccurately formulated. Of course, like the first photo advertisement in one of the American magazines. hi
                      5. Liam
                        Liam 12 June 2021 07: 05
                        -1
                        Hello
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 11 June 2021 20: 32
            +2
            But I am interested in the history of the emergence of the press - when did it appear in the form of newspapers that were sold by loud distributors?
            In Rome, under Gaius Julius Caesar. Not newspapers, of course, but a prototype.
            1. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2021 21: 01
              +2
              Under Gaius Julius Caesar? Oh, wow! Probably some kind of information sheets. I'll go take a look)))
              1. depressant
                depressant 11 June 2021 21: 14
                +3
                Go crazy!))) Here's what I dug up:
                Caesar very quickly realized in the fire of the struggle for power over the Eternal City, how important it is to convince fellow citizens of his high mission.
                Therefore, he ordered writers to write essays about his campaigns in Gaul, about participation in the battles with Pompey, about the battles in Africa. It was at the headquarters of Caesar in Gaul that the post of press attache appeared, whose duties were performed by a special tribune. Caesar's military journalists marched along the roads of Gaul and Britain with invincible legions.
                It was Caesar who ordered the regular news of his activities in scrolls, which were hung out at the Forum for reading by all Romans. At the behest of Caesar, tablets with news were carved and in stone, on marble slabs, carved on bronze tablets.


                And further:
                Slaves walked around Rome, who, not freshly whitewashed walls, wrote with ocher texts written by journalists and telling about the exploits of the legions of the famous commander.
                What can we say about the whole factory of scribes, which was engaged in the dissemination of the official history of the campaigns of Gaius Julius. The consulate of Julius Caesar (100-44 BC) was fully illuminated.
                With obvious pride, the Roman historian Suetonius told in his writings about the handwritten newspaper "Acta Senatus" ("Deeds of the Senate"), information from which was previously inaccessible to many Romans. Previously, it was believed that state events should be known only to senators. Issues of "Acta Senatus" ceased their output only during the reign of Emperor Tiberius (14 - 37 years). Unlike Caesar, he was not a friend of publicity. He did not need the support of public opinion. On the contrary, Tiberius saw the Roman journalists as enemies of the state and even ordered the pursuit of some of them.


                Just think about it! Handwritten newspaper! Two thousand years ago! Like this. Live and learn.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 June 2021 21: 21
                  +3
                  Much has passed through the millennia
                2. depressant
                  depressant 11 June 2021 21: 40
                  +1
                  We also throw this out, but not in the same quantities! Apparently, the old woman died, the apartment was sold. Maybe something else. Three of my neighbors have summer cottages, even four, if you count the epileptic neighbor behind the wall. The old people are already lying down, they are sick, the summer cottages are not being cultivated - the young have no time, and they are not accustomed, they do not want to, do not want home canned food.
                  So there are "gifts" to the goddess of victory Victoria. Urbanization-s.
              2. Fat
                Fat 11 June 2021 23: 03
                +1
                Hike, wall painting-graffiti (wall newspaper, which is fresh ocher on the wall) - the prototype of the news publication as such, and propaganda and advertising leaflets request
                If you think about it, reports of successful hunting on the cave wall began to depict troglodytes as early as the Stone Age, before the invention of normal writing. laughing
              3. depressant
                depressant 11 June 2021 23: 14
                +1
                Yes, you are right, I have come across the opinion that the drawings on the walls of the cave are not so much the realization of artistic talent as a manifestation of the gift of a writer, a story about the vicissitudes of a hunt, a story for those who were not eyewitnesses. Indeed, the form of a comic book)))
          3. kalibr
            13 June 2021 20: 47
            +1
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna! There is a book on the Internet Shpakovskaya S.V., Shpakovsky V.O. A history of public relations. 2004 year. Electronic textbook - there is a detailed description of the emergence of the press and advertising in it. And about the first newspapers ... Where did the word itself come from.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 14 June 2021 06: 05
      0
      That was roughly how it was. At least we found out that way.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 11 June 2021 19: 52
    +4
    Grannies are, rather, "local" news)))
    1. depressant
      depressant 11 June 2021 20: 17
      +1
      Yes, there is such a nine-story building, I rarely pass by, but it happens. The aunts are sitting, sitting, looking unkindly, looking like a professional gaze from head to toe: who, what, are there any weapons, what are my goals? I walk by, shivering wassat )))
      I can imagine how young it is.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 11 June 2021 20: 34
        +3
        And at my house their era ended somewhere in the mid-eighties for some reason. The interests of the next generation of grandmothers changed dramatically, and they became more helpful. laughing Their walking "in Scandinavian" especially touches, am I not mistaken?
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 June 2021 20: 51
          +3
          I have read that this is a Swedish walk. But what's the difference! Swedes are Scandinavians)))
          There is a shop at the next entrance of my Khrushchev. Elderly ladies rarely sit on it, they are very nice. Unlike those of the nine-story building. The news is discussed within the boundaries of the entryway events. To discuss political news, the elderly men took a fancy to the long shops in the center of the village. About 10 people gather, a noisy company, and cover up the government. As in the days of Ilf and Petrov wassat ))))
    2. bubalik
      bubalik 11 June 2021 23: 35
      +2
      Anton, hello. And I think that on the articles of the VOSh., The administration gives relief in the form of a rating boost (comments) and free explanation, even off topic. The principle is not bad if the company is still normal.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 12 June 2021 06: 11
        +2
        Sergei! hi
        In general, the administration is purple about what we are flooding here, so long as they do not go beyond certain limits. On the other hand, clickbait provides the material foundation for online publishing.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 11 June 2021 19: 06
    +3
    However, the ways of disseminating important unofficial news that are important for the economy, I believe, were not at all served through the throats of professionals.
    "Big money likes silence" (C)
    1. depressant
      depressant 11 June 2021 19: 33
      +2
      Yes, insider information is still an important condition for the emergence of sudden large capitals.
      But it would be extremely interesting to know the formation of the information society, from the Middle Ages to the moment of the formation of capitalism.
      The layman, imagine, and in those days he was extremely interested in "fried" news, namely: murders, dismemberment, meteorites, earthquakes, rain from frogs or fish, flying monks, stock exchange reports (there were stock exchanges!), Political and economic intrigues, exposing campaigns , amazing animals that were brought from Africa or somewhere else. Aren't these topics and plots of interest to modern news outlets? Our life is more global, there is more news, but everything is the same. But this is how the press was born, from word of mouth, trade correspondence and the personal staff of informants of some very important person to the first newspapers and magazines that forever changed the daily life of ordinary mortals - this is really interesting.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 11 June 2021 21: 39
        +1
        Friends, we had a great conversation, but ... I have an event. Italy-Turkey.
        Good evening and pleasant conversation to you! hi
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 June 2021 21: 54
          +2
          Seryozha, I wish to win yours, although I don’t know which of these two)))
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 12 June 2021 05: 51
            +1
            Good morning!
            No, I wasn’t rooting for anyone, just an opening match. The atmosphere at the stadium / everything is like lately, VIPs without masks, the rest are almost wearing them /. In general, I liked the game, the Italians won 3-0. Okay.
            1. depressant
              depressant 12 June 2021 06: 17
              +2
              Good morning, Seryozha!)))
              There is an article by Vecheslav Olegovich on the elimination of illiteracy. There will be time, read it.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 12 June 2021 06: 19
                +1
                Lyudmila Yakovlevna, my compliments! hi
                On the way, there is time.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 14 June 2021 05: 58
    0
    Perhaps to show off the king and put on? And the armor for the elephant, perhaps during the time of Carthage, was relevant?
  • Intruder
    Intruder 11 June 2021 15: 16
    +4
    To the author, bravo ... rightly caresses the eye! good