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Who will stop the flight of scientists from Russia?

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Who will stop the flight of scientists from Russia?
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The paradox of today. The more we are told that we are on the right path, the more questions arise about where this right path will lead us.

Now we will consider a situation that has been developing for a long time and is not a secret to anyone. Perhaps it would be worth keeping it secret so that everything would be smooth and smooth, but, alas, the authorities did not guess to do so.

Therefore, now we will turn to the figures and facts from the report of the Chief Scientific Secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Professor, Doctor of Economics, Nikolai Kuzmich Dolgushkin, which he announced in his speech at the RAS Assembly on April 20 this year.

Dolgushkin said that the scientific sphere is losing scientists with catastrophic speed and acceleration.

If in 1990 the USSR occupied one of the first places in the world in terms of the number of scientists engaged in research and development, the number was almost a million, 992 thousand people, today in Russia this figure is much less - 348 thousand people.

People continue to not only stop working in the research field, but go abroad. And the outflow of scientists abroad has grown five times compared to 2012. In 2012, about 14 thousand people left Russia, in 2019 - about 70 thousand. In 2020, the churn rate was lower, but this is primarily due to the restrictions on the coronavirus.

In 2018, Russia ranked fourth in the world in terms of the number of researchers; in 2021, the country dropped to sixth place.

Here it is worth looking at the main reasons why scientists are leaving so actively. One or two reasons cannot be named. There is a whole complex of reasons here. Economic, social, political. As a result - migration, brain drain and very bleak prospects in the future. As I have already said in previous materials on a similar topic, the Russian system of the USE is not able to generate new Kapits and Alferovs. She will give birth to limited consumers in everything.

But back to the problems.

First. Lack of attention from the state to the development of science and technology.

This is so, our state is not at all interested in new technologies and scientific discoveries if they do not bring quick profits. Why spend money on R&D if it is easier to stretch another miracle gas pipeline that will regularly bring money to government officials and their owners?

Data for the same 2019. Who spends how much in the world on R&D, research and development work.

10.Russia. $ 37 billion.
9. Brazil. $ 38 billion.
8. Great Britain. $ 46 billion.
7. India. $ 50 billion.
6. France. $ 61 billion.
5. South Korea. $ 75 billion.
4. Germany. $ 115 billion.
3. Japan. $ 170 billion.
2. China. $ 440 billion.
1. USA. 520 billion dollars.

Comments? Superfluous.

It can also be added that there is a world ranking of academic supercomputers capable of solving problems of the highest complexity, the Linpack version. Today in the Top 500 China is in the lead with 226 cars (almost half of the rating), the second place is in the USA with 114 cars. Still others are Japanese, they have 29 computers.

Russia? Russia shares 16-23 place with countries such as Australia, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Switzerland, India, Sweden, Finland. 2 (TWO) cars in TOP-500. And, of course, not even in the first hundred.

If we turn the time back just 10 years ago, then in 2010 there were 500 Russian computers in the TOP-8 ...

In general, the list of negative points can be continued endlessly. But the most negative thing here is that we talk a lot and do little about the need to develop science and improve technology. They say and promise every year, from stands of very different heights. Words - streams, rivers. Del - streams.

Basically, we must admit, everything happens in our country like this: in some of his regular speech (for example, a message to the Federal Assembly), the president emphasizes that we need to develop science because ... because we need to. Further, everyone to whom this applies begins to run like water striders before the rain, fuss, make dozens of loud statements, in general - a complete imitation of seething activity. And then silence. Until next speech.

And so from year to year.

But even the young President Vladimir Putin at the beginning of the 20s (yes, XNUMX years ago) talked a lot about the fact that we just need a high-tech economy. As a result, new and precisely high-tech Tanks and the planes are hand-assembled by the piece.

Another portion of numbers. From the same Higher School of Economics, which the "correct" patriots hate so much. As presented by the RBC channel. Of course, these figures are incorrect and do not correspond to reality, because they are set forth by the so-called "liberals". Not those liberals who are in Putin's team (he said so himself, if anything), but some other "liberals". In quotes.

What is the difference is difficult to say, but here are the "liberals" who are from the HSE (let no one be confused that most of the president's team have diplomas from there, and some also have academic degrees), on April 13 of this year published a large report on the real place of Russia in the world production of high-tech products.

Russia there belongs to the fourth and lowest group. For the country's share in world exports of high-tech products was only 2002-2018% from 0,2 to 0,5. And even then, mainly due to the sale weapons and equipment for nuclear power plants.

The share in the production of microchips is as much as 0,7%.

For comparison, the share of the United States (this is a country that, apart from printing dollars and aircraft carriers, can do nothing else) is 68%. The Americans themselves collect 12% of the world market for chips and let others work. Taiwan 22%, South Korea 21%, Japan 17%, China 12%, European Union 6%. Well, there are all sorts of Mexico, Canada and Singapore on dancers.

And we have? And in 2019, VTB Bank bankrupted the Angstrem-T plant for non-payment of loans, which was supposed to become an enterprise for the production of 90 nm technology microcircuits with a prospect of up to 65 nm.

But the launch date was disrupted, the bank took 100% of the shares, Angstrem-T, part of the Angstrem company (the former Soviet NII-36, a leading enterprise for the production of microelectronics), was declared bankrupt last year. The second (after the parent) enterprise in terms of chip production capacity.

Indeed, you can still buy in China. While you can.

And it is not surprising that the ECI (index of the economic complexity of the country's economy) of Russia is 49th in the world (0,34 in 2017). And we are ahead of such developed countries as Poland (1,18), Hungary (1,44), Estonia (1,02), Mexico (0,98), Lithuania (0,94), Belarus (0,86), Latvia (0,70), Ukraine (0,52).

The ECI is influenced by the length of production chains, the variety of exports, the amount of value added and the depth of its generation.

Comments?

Second problem. Poverty and misery.

This is such a component of our life ... Especially in light of the fact that the state is actively fighting against it, against poverty and poverty. But things are getting worse from year to year. Food prices are rising, income growth is not keeping pace with them. Food inflation is much higher than in Europe.

Remember, at the beginning of his presidential career, Vladimir Putin promised that in 10 years Russia will surpass Portugal in terms of living standards? Overtook. Only not Russia Portugal, but Romania Russia.

The fact is, again, the GDP of Romania is higher than the GDP of Russia. In denomination, in parity - higher, that's all. And if you believe the State Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, the growth rate of the economy in Russia is three times lower than the world average. It is clear that the Polovtsians screwed up in those days, but here we have what we have.

That is, despite the huge reserves of everything (which is very actively sold), Russia as a whole is a rather poor country. And in a poor country there is usually no time for research.

And what kind of research can be if there is a cold war, an arms race, an enemy at the borders and stuff like that?

Of course, R&D is being carried out, but naturally, in the military field. We need a new technique to restrain an aggressor who is about to come to take all the mineral resources of Russia for himself. According to the most patriotic citizens. Although they (fossils) and so on "Streams" go completely unhindered, if that. And any aggression will only disrupt the established course of supplying the same Europe with hydrocarbons and other riches of our land.

Someone will decide that I am wrong. Well, in the comments you can tell where our science has made another breakthrough that has no analogues in the world. Practical, naturally. In the space sphere, for example. There, everyone demonstrates their skills and capabilities to the whole world. We cannot yet demonstrate the "Science" module, which will soon be 30 years old. If it hasn't already hit.

Or a ship of a new generation, not the royal Soyuz ... Reusable ... I have already spoken about the microcircuits, everything is gorgeous there.

So if we take away all developments in the military sphere, our baggage of implemented scientific developments is more than modest.

But it normal. For a really poor country, which is surrounded by enemies on all sides. Such in the world stories there were many, nothing surprising.

So the flight of our good scientists from miserable salaries to where their knowledge is really needed and can be well paid is also normal. And there are many countries in the world that are ready to buy our personnel.

And here we come to the third reason.

Third reason. Political.

Everything is very simple here. You just need to understand that any scientist is, to one degree or another, a liberal and a free-thinker. This is how people have creative brains. Search for the truth, there is no getting away from it.

And any such seeker of truth (in everything) would like to live comfortably. Not only from a financial point of view, but also from a social point of view.

In recent years, our state has been working exclusively towards the development of prohibitive acts. All the activities of our strangely composed State Duma have been reduced to one thing: to prohibit, impose fines, prohibit again, increase fines, prohibit even thinking about what is prohibited. We apply to this the results of our "most honest and transparent" elections, the results of which are 98% known in advance - and it is clear that not everyone is pleased to live in such an atmosphere.

Say, "but in the nineties ..."? Speak. But in the nineties, the majority did not know where they would bring us in the end. And according to the eternal Russian spiritual component, I simply believed that "everything will work out." Even in the most terrible times of general turmoil and lawlessness.

And today everything is very clear and understandable. Someone likes where the leaders are leading the country, some do not. From the most "patriotic" users, even here you can hear: "If you don't like it, take it to the place where it is best for you!"

So they fell.

You can recruit hundreds of thousands to the Russian Guard, you can beat up with truncheons not only all real protesters, but also those who are potentially protesting.

Forgive me, but a real scientist, an intellectual in the best sense of the word, he will not go to the rally. Yes, he can write or sign a letter. But he will not bottle gasoline and oil. And he won't rush to the police with his fists. He will vote with his feet and a suitcase. Like thousands of others.

And so it happens. In not the most hungry and boundless years 2015-2019, one after another, records were broken for requests for a "green card". It reached 400 thousand a year. There was no such thing even in the dashing nineties.

And now there is. And then it will get worse.

I wrote about the simply masterpiece "Law on Educational Activity". And we have already sent "recommendations" to scientists on the need to contact less with foreign colleagues. You never know what ...

It is also better to forget about grants for joint projects. $ 100 - and you are a foreign agent. Tagged. Unreliable. Hundreds of Russian scientists wrote angry letters, trying to explain that it is impossible to progress without external contacts ... It's useless. Our singing-sports-artistic Duma accepted everything. As usual, blurry and incomprehensible. So that would be a person - the article will be.

Well, if it turns out that the country's leadership wants to arrange another "iron curtain", it is clear that the most developed individuals will not want to live behind it.

Unfortunately, the current leadership of the country is not quite clear about the consequences of tightening the screws. Moreover, all this is against the background of the complete degradation of the education system, culture (cinema alone is worth it) and the fall of morals. Especially television.

It can be difficult for smart people to live and work in these conditions. And for such salaries. And this is quite legally used by those who need good brains. Albeit strangers. Therefore, the outflow of scientists who will be offered decent conditions for working abroad will only grow.

And we are unlikely to raise new scientists with such an excellent education system to replace them. At least I doubt it very much.
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  1. ximkim
    ximkim 8 June 2021 04: 58
    +41
    There are no prospects, so they will continue to leave.
    1. Civil
      Civil 8 June 2021 06: 49
      +29
      Second problem. Poverty and misery.

      This is problem number 1. Even if a young scientist receives funding from a grant, he still lives among poor people.
      Third reason. Political.

      This is the second, only it is called safety - politically unreliable are not promoted anywhere. Moreover, for a long tongue or overly free views, you can stay without work, or even call into the zone.
      Third reason. Corruption

      It arises from the first two. The young scientist has no chance of taking up leadership positions. Why - everyone understands.
      1. Anachoret
        Anachoret 8 June 2021 09: 02
        +9
        Corruption is everywhere) any scientific article of a young scientist is always preceded by the name of his curator) and the light-faced west is no exception)
        and the attitude towards our specialists is approximately the same)
        it is enough for a German surgeon to do two operations a day and receive more than 10 euros a month, a Russian surgeon will need to do up to 10 operations a day, in order to reach 5-7 thousand (minus taxes in Germany) this is a work of wear and tear, but many specialists are ready to stay in your country and for salaries that are lower than European ones, for example) but there should not be a lag in technology (even in purchases of finished equipment) and personnel training)
        any specialist is ambitious and wants to progress as a specialist) and in this issue the main limitations are hidden)
        there should still be a social package, not necessarily a monetary package, as under the Union, and only those who are completely desperate will scatter))
        private business should also participate in this matter and the state should stimulate R&D with tax incentives))) otherwise our big business is accustomed to working according to the scheme "for free, with gain")))
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 8 June 2021 10: 25
          +21
          ... Who will stop the flight of scientists from Russia?

          Not Putin.

          ... the main reasons why scientists are so actively leaving

          Nothing to do. And not at all.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 8 June 2021 11: 54
            +8
            There is no demand for research and development in Russia now. All this is associated with large investments and a long payback period. And with the current method of political governance of the country, the long-term risk turns out to be very large and unpredictable, business is not ready to invest in research in such conditions. If there is no demand for applied research, then there is no demand for fundamental research, and people have no desire to study (this is the reason for the decline in the quality of education, and not in the Unified State Exam). Yes, this is all about economics, and it is driven by politics.
            1. bodzu
              bodzu 8 June 2021 14: 10
              +8
              Business is never ready to invest in long-term projects anywhere in the world - only the state.
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 8 June 2021 14: 28
                +5
                The most long-term projects are made by the states, but among the projects in which business is invested, there are also longer-term and less long-term ones.
              2. Spring fluff
                Spring fluff 8 June 2021 23: 49
                +12
                You write nonsense. Try reading about U.S. publicly traded pharmaceutical companies. It is even difficult to count them so many of them - and each conducts long-term research. Sarepta, Vertex, ... Intel, AMD - chips - already beat for 10nm or less processes. But what can I say - hundreds of private companies in various fields are engaged in long-term development.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 9 June 2021 00: 02
                  -1
                  Quote: Spring Fluff
                  You write nonsense. Try reading about U.S. publicly traded pharmaceutical companies. It is even difficult to count them as many of them - and each conducts long-term research.

                  Well, firstly, there are not so many such companies, on a global scale. Secondly, protectionism has not been canceled, which was proved by the history of vaccines against Covid. Thirdly, these companies did not start in conditions of an empty wallet and out of the blue. Lobbying in the United States for certain industries is common. Elon Musk jumped into the market clearly not from the barn, with the products assembled on his knee.
                  But on the issue of electronics, there is even great China in the role of catch-up. And something tells me that both Intel and AMD are developing not only due to orders from the Pentagon, but also due to the fact that the Chinese Huawei and Xiaomi were "given a hand".
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 9 June 2021 00: 06
                  +11
                  Quote: Spring Fluff
                  Intel, AMD - chips - already beat for 10nm and less processes.

                  We are a little behind the times. Beat for 4-5 nm. I now have a 7 nm processor on my laptop.
            2. zenion
              zenion 8 June 2021 22: 33
              +2
              military_cat. So they do not expect to live here, they are on suitcases. All they need is far from the place where they take and shit. Shit is left in Russia and the gold is taken as far as possible.
          2. Serg4545
            Serg4545 10 June 2021 05: 48
            -2
            Quote: Stas157
            Who will stop the flight of scientists from Russia?

            Никто.
            Because there is no escape.
            The article is a gross lie.

            For a couple of days now, Russian society has been discussing (rather, wailing, wringing its hands and clutching its head) the terrible truth that has been revealed. The terrible truth about the massive and accelerating flight of scientists from Russia. The nationwide hype has reached, if not to heaven, then to the top and the presidential press secretary already has to comment on the topic (!).

            Isn't it time for us to discuss it too? No, it’s not why trains loaded with tens of thousands of commodity scientists go abroad every year. And to find out "are you not a liar for an hour?" regarding those who threw in and spread the very statement about "70 thousand scientists leaving a year."
            More details about where the lie about the growth in the departure of scientists abroad came from (with links to primary sources and official statistics).
            https://aftershock.news/?q=node/970151
      2. Alanart
        Alanart 8 June 2021 10: 14
        +10
        If a young scientist (by the way, this is up to 40 years for doctors of sciences) occupies a leading position, he, de facto, ceases to be a scientist, but becomes an administrator. With rare exceptions. However, this statement is complete nonsense. Occupy and manage
      3. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 8 June 2021 11: 21
        +5
        I completely agree with you and the author.
        With regard to poverty and misery:
        I support you, the problem is the most important, and you need to put it at the top of the list. Let's take the domestic IT sector as an example. Our IT specialists have hardly ever complained of financial harassment, and over the past year, their salaries have left the stratosphere and rushed into outer space.
        And we see global brands, competitive products and real prospects for domestic IT. We see that high salaries work, high salaries motivate.
        Why it is impossible to extend this practice to the entire domestic high-tech is a mystery to me. After all, what are the worse design engineers of software developers?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 8 June 2021 12: 23
          +5
          After all, what are the worse design engineers of software developers?
          Worse ..., hmm, but where should they work and with what, with what tasks !? Or tinkering with "cases and circuitry for smart speakers with Alice", Yandex corporation ??? So so work .., any Chinese manufacturer will make it cheaper and faster !!! Well, maybe, also take part in drawing cartoons and advertising booklets for the next exhibition, such as: Army !? Well, this is a seasonal topic, and once a year, and then social tensions in the family, children need to be taught a fur coat with an iPhone, on March 8 ... and all thoughts in the direction of moving to a well-fed country in Europe or to the American continent, By the way, Australia is also possible, if it is in demand, there is specialization ...
          1. zenion
            zenion 8 June 2021 22: 38
            +4
            Intruder (Denis Alekseev). As one turner wrote. Gave up this job at the factory, they pay pennies. I bought an old machine, debugged it and earned as much in a week as in a month at a factory, and I'm not the only one like that. I saw the shop, there are many Soviet-era machine tools and several SNS, and only a couple of manual machines work. The shop is empty.
          2. Israel
            Israel 9 June 2021 10: 39
            +2
            In Europe and the USA, the word "iron workers" also get lower than "pure" programmers. Relatively speaking, a person can work in Boeing, develop some boards using FPGA / microcontrollers and receive 80-100 thousand dollars a year, and at the same time, a startup that develops an application for a smartphone / social network, etc., is ready to pay a programmer 120 thousand dollars in year, and all sorts of hedge funds, FAAMG and even from 180 thousand dollars a year, plus options, etc. By the way, Boeing did not give part of the software development to India because of a good life.
            1. Klonser
              Klonser 9 June 2021 23: 26
              0
              My friend, a cool programmer, went to America to work. Purely because of the money, although here I also earned very decently. Met him recently, happy with everything. Salary in rubles 1,5 million rubles per month if for our + part-time work in the evenings at home. I'm happy with everything. Speaks in their company even English is not necessary. 90% are Russian speakers. Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc. are working. By US standards, he is middle class. Lives in Los Angeles. Life there is expensive, especially rental housing, but does not plan to return to Russia. And if conditions were created here, he says that he would stay.
              1. Israel
                Israel 9 June 2021 23: 38
                0
                Salary in rubles 1,5 million rubles per month if for our + part-time work in the evenings at home


                This is about 20 thousand dollars a month, your friend got into a narrow percentage of people, although it is doubtful that the company is paying that kind of money to people without knowledge of English. The level of the announced income is hedge funds or companies of the FAAMG group for Xinier and higher positions, but you need to know English there.

                By US standards, he's middle class


                The median household income in the United States according to various data is at the level of 70-80 thousand dollars per year (that's specifically for Los Angeles https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/losangelescountycalifornia in 2019 68 thousand dollars per year), and your an acquaintance leaves 240 thousand, excluding part-time jobs This is well above the middle class.
                1. Klonser
                  Klonser 10 June 2021 16: 14
                  0
                  He knows the language perfectly. Prior to that, he worked for a long time in a joint Russian-American office. I went to the USA on business trips. Then he was offered to move there, he did not refuse. I got a job and moved my family. Maybe I'm wrong about the middle class, but when I joked that he is a millionaire, I was told that in Russia I am a millionaire, but there is a middle class. By the way, he pays 250 thousand rubles for renting a house
                2. Klonser
                  Klonser 10 June 2021 16: 23
                  0
                  About the language, I meant that many Russians work there programmers
        2. Israel
          Israel 9 June 2021 10: 32
          0
          High salaries alone are not enough, even in IT there is a big leak from Russia to Zapal, and guys come to us, and if we consider only the financial side of the issue, then on average in Moscow the guys had a higher level (housing is cheaper, kindergartens are cheaper, plus grandmothers, grandfathers, respectively, do not need nannies, wives / husbands, as a rule, also worked, etc.)


          After all, what are the worse design engineers of software developers?


          Everything is determined by the market, the purely software industry is still growing every year and there is a strong shortage of programmers on the market.
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 9 June 2021 11: 28
            +1
            Of course there is a leak, of course the problem is not so one-sided. I agree with you. But to start solving the problem outlined by the author, it is necessary to raise salaries. Today it is not Adam Smith who rules the show, but John Keynes, and he mentions the instruments of state influence on the market. The state can dictate conditions to the market, which it actually does, without turning the economic system into a command-administrative one.
            The salaries of designers strongly depend on the region, but on average for the European part of Russia it is about 500 dollars a month, for Moscow - about 1000.
            At the same time, in 2021, any junior in IT can count on $ 1000 to begin with, without being tied to any region.
            And the global IT brands from Russia can be listed for a long time: Kaspersky, ABBYY, Yandex and others.
            In "pieces of iron" ... Where there was a colossal Soviet legacy, there are recognizable brands: Kalashnikov, Rosatom.
            In any case, you need to start motivating with an increase in salaries, then Russian, not Soviet "iron" brands will start to grow, and then move on to other aspects of the drain of specialists.
      4. Normal ok
        Normal ok 8 June 2021 12: 05
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Second problem. Poverty and misery.

        This is problem number 1. Even if a young scientist receives funding from a grant, he still lives among poor people.
        Third reason. Political.

        This is the second, only it is called safety - politically unreliable are not promoted anywhere. Moreover, for a long tongue or overly free views, you can stay without work, or even call into the zone.
        Third reason. Corruption

        It arises from the first two. The young scientist has no chance of taking up leadership positions. Why - everyone understands.

        Nothing wrong. Soon the authorities will remember such a useful tool as "sharashka" and the brain drain will stop.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 8 June 2021 17: 04
          +11
          Quote: Normal ok
          Nothing wrong. Soon the authorities will remember such a useful tool as "sharashka" and the brain drain will stop.

          Oh, this is walking on a rake. And then again you will wonder why grateful citizens sold their native gulag for jeans and Coca-Cola.
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 8 June 2021 21: 40
            +4
            Quote: military_cat
            Quote: Normal ok
            Nothing wrong. Soon the authorities will remember such a useful tool as "sharashka" and the brain drain will stop.

            Oh, this is walking on a rake. And then again you will wonder why grateful citizens sold their native gulag for jeans and Coca-Cola.

            So be it.
      5. zenion
        zenion 8 June 2021 22: 27
        +2
        Civilian (Vadim). Everyone who lived and remembers the USSR is politically unreliable. They are constantly comparing then and now. How is the Victory Parade going? Instead of carrying the face of marshals and generals, carrying the banners of divisions and armies, the government is talking nonsense, calling itself the heir of the USSR and until the very end they love the tsarist power, especially the nobility. Moreover, these unreliable tell their children and grandchildren, and they will tell their children and ... boldly we will go into battle, for the power of the Soviets.
        1. Civil
          Civil 9 June 2021 06: 51
          +3
          Quote: zenion
          Civilian (Vadim). Everyone who lived and remembers the USSR is politically unreliable. They are constantly comparing then and now. How is the Victory Parade going? Instead of carrying the face of marshals and generals, carrying the banners of divisions and armies, the government is talking nonsense, calling itself the heir of the USSR and until the very end they love the tsarist power, especially the nobility. Moreover, these unreliable tell their children and grandchildren, and they will tell their children and ... boldly we will go into battle, for the power of the Soviets.


          It's a shame ... it's a shame in front of those people who created the Soviet Republic ... why am I so ashamed in front of the dead Bolsheviks for these peacocks (
    2. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: ximkim
      No prospects

      There!
      If the upper classes do not want to, the People must roll up their sleeves to change the power!
      Quote: ximkim
      so they will continue to leave.

      If we keep silent.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 8 June 2021 12: 25
        +17
        If the upper classes do not want to, the People must roll up their sleeves to change the power!
        guys from the Department for Combating Extremism of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the National Guard, you are attentively ..., now they looked ... so with a squint! yes
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 13: 19
          +6
          Sholem Aleichem!
          I am glad for your participation in my Destiny.
          Quote: Intruder
          Rosgvardia, attentively at you ..., now they looked ... so with a squint!

          Let them squint as much as they like. I "vegetate" in the "pernicious" North-West of Europe.
          AND TEMPORARILY filed by His Majesty the King. In addition, I am not a visitor to MY HOMELAND because of the events of October 93.
          The main thing is that yours are not obsessed with my, without a doubt, the most modest person.
          Of course, with respect!
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 8 June 2021 13: 25
            +3
            AND TEMPORARILY filed by His Majesty the King. In addition, I am not a visitor to MY HOMELAND because of the events of October 93.
            The main thing is that yours are not obsessed with my, without a doubt, the most modest person.
            Of course, with respect!

            Shalom, bro ... hi
            They are not mine for a long time ..., I am even further from the Atlantic and Baltic !!! Temporarily support your taxes, Queen of the Britons !? drinks Funny however!
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 13: 43
              +3
              Quote: Intruder
              They are not mine for a long time.

              Pechalka belay
              Quote: Intruder
              Temporarily support your taxes, Queen of the Britons !?

              Quote: Intruder
              Temporarily support your taxes, Queen of the Britons !?

              Let me disappoint you?
              Netherlands.
              Quote: Intruder
              Funny however!

              You may not believe it. I'm surprised myself how it got me there!
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 8 June 2021 13: 56
                +4
                Let me disappoint you?
                Netherlands.
                Yes, they did not disappoint us, the confederates of the southern states, now deeply and with the device, on these European monarchs, all sorts of ...!? wink
                I'm surprised myself
                Well, sometimes it's not like that in our life ... drinks
                1. vlad.baryatinsky
                  vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 19: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Intruder
                  to us the confederates of the southern states,

                  Pleasantly surprised.
                  All my relatives are also behind a puddle. Mostly New York, Pennsylvania and Connecticut.
                  Quote: Intruder
                  Well, sometimes it's not like that in our life ...

                  Good luck and good health.
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                  2. Intruder
                    Intruder 9 June 2021 02: 27
                    +1
                    Good luck and good health.
                    Mutually... drinks
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 8 June 2021 13: 27
            -3
            Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
            Let them squint as much as they like. I "vegetate" in the "pernicious" North-West of Europe.

            And why not in the promised land, judging by the greeting?
            And what have you done in 1993, if you are still afraid to return? Maybe a tank was fired at the White House on Yeltsin's orders - then it's clear ...
            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 13: 52
              +4
              Quote: ccsr
              And why not in the promised land, judging by the greeting?

              Hello!
              Tribute!
              I have a lot of Friends among the Sons of Israel!
              Quote: ccsr
              And what did you do in 1993,

              So take everything and "dump" it to you?
              Quote: ccsr
              if you are still afraid to return?

              The Lord is with you!
              I'm only afraid of the Lord GOD !!!
              Quote: ccsr
              Maybe a tank shot at the White House on the orders of Yeltsin

              If he took part in the punitive bacchanalia of Boriski, then the schyas would be in "honor" and "honor" under the current regime!
              Quote: ccsr
              then it is clear

              You do not understand anything.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 8 June 2021 17: 46
                0
                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                So take everything and "dump" it to you?

                Do not be PR, this is not comme il faut ...
                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                I'm only afraid of the Lord GOD !!!

                You want to demonstrate the Feast of St. Jorgen here?
                Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
                You do not understand anything.

                The more fog is allowed, the more the truth is hidden.
                1. vlad.baryatinsky
                  vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 19: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  The more foggy they get, the more they hide the truth

                  And where did you get started, I don’t know.
                  Maybe critical periods, if you please empathize ?!
                  (+), Anything I can help you with.
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 June 2021 17: 31
        +5
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        Quote: ximkim
        No prospects

        There!
        If the upper classes do not want to, the People must roll up their sleeves to change the power!
        Quote: ximkim
        so they will continue to leave.

        If we keep silent.

        When the last time was changed in 1917, there were many times more who left, including scientists ... For some reason, they do not want to live in the revolution, they want to be quiet and satiated
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 19: 12
          0
          Quote: your1970
          For some reason, they do not want to live in the revolution - they want to be quiet and satiated

          Perhaps they fear revenge or "Egyptian executions."
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 8 June 2021 20: 09
          -9
          Yeah. Everyone left, no one was left. A rocket with a nuclear reactor assembled by themselves. Exclusively in spite of. I shake hands not properly. May the banner of liberalism, democracy and glasnost rise and shine again, among the dark clouds of the tyrannical regime permanently covering the sky of freedom in this country.
          1. Ponchik78
            Ponchik78 9 June 2021 10: 43
            0
            Why are you here with your comments?))) Here is a get-together of guardians for the future of the Motherland. They really are happy because of the cordon))) From there it was always much more visible how things are with us here)
          2. your1970
            your1970 9 June 2021 21: 23
            +1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Yeah. Everyone left, no one was left.

            Quote: Keyser Soze
            So with 1921 on 1930 in Bulgaria 120 Russian doctors, 380 teachers, 55 agronomists, 200 engineers, 35 professors, more than a hundred lawyers were appointed to work. More than 100 Russian immigrant organizations and schools have been created.
            -and this is in provincial Bulgaria - where emigrants practically did not leave
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 10 June 2021 21: 06
              0
              Quote: your1970
              -and this is in provincial Bulgaria - where emigrants practically did not leave

              This is what you just said, which is very offensive for our Bulgarian brothers.
              And actually, what's the difference to you? Well, they left and left. What kind of sadness is this for you? Just don't make a liberal lament here about the elite who left and the cattle that remained in this country. I don’t fucking need this libshiz. I have heard enough of it in 30 years of building a bright capitalist future.
              1. your1970
                your1970 11 June 2021 09: 57
                -1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Bulgarian brothers
                - who fought in two world wars against Russia? A bit weird for brothers, isn't it?
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Well, they left and left. What kind of sadness is this for you?

                Then why are you crying for those who left NOW ???????
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                there is no need here to arrange a liberal lament about the elite who left and the cattle that remained in this country.

                The author of the article is just crying liberally "about the elite who left and the rest" ...
                What is the difference between those who left then and now? Or "This is different !!" ??
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 11 June 2021 10: 12
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  Or "This is different !!" ??

                  Of course another. Then we built communism in which it was a one-time phenomenon, and now a system in which greed is a virtue and the pumping of scientists is put on stream. Why the hell should I actually sponsor Western science?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 11 June 2021 11: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Why the hell should I actually sponsor Western science?

                    Why the hell were we supposed to sponsor Western science in 1917? Who left then, they left us practically without science at all.
                    This affected the USSR hundreds of times more painfully - where imported engineers and workers had to be imported for GOLD in the 1930s.
                    What happened then is tantamount to leaving the country now everything at all those who received higher education, clean up ... Zero ... And it doesn't even matter - good or bad ... Doctors, teachers, engineers, scientists, everything in general ...
                    You understand - that the devastation of the 1920s is a consequence ofcomplete lack of engineering and technical personnel in the industry ????
                    That the bulk of the 1930 cases on sabotage in industry is the low level of training of engineers, the desire to fulfill the plan and at the same time do not care ("The main plan is to fulfill, but the fact that our 45 mm BB is pricked against the armor is a trifle !!!") ..
                    And so it was everywhere ...

                    Think for a second - why Lenin and Stalin were treated not by "Soviet professors" - but by doctors with pre-revolutionary experience ??? Even after the war, when did Soviet medicine have 25 years of experience? It seems like you should have already learned, no?
        3. ivan2022
          ivan2022 9 June 2021 05: 28
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          When the last time was changed in 1917, there were many times more who left, including scientists ... For some reason, they do not want to live in the revolution, they want to be quiet and satiated


          You probably don't know? That the "last time" of these same scientists in the Republic of Ingushetia was only 11 thousand. According to stat. data from RI itself. And it looked quite normal in those days distant.
          And "this time" there are already hundreds of thousands of them ..... precisely as a result of revolutions. Do not take it for work, open at least "Wikipedia" and see how fast science developed in the RSFSR and the USSR in the first years after the revolution.
          And about the hint that someone allegedly and once "wanted revolutions" - these are already obvious problems with the perception of the world around them.
          Revolutions in the history of mankind occur in all countries when it comes to the edge, but only in one country they are perceived as the whim of underdeveloped ancestors.
          To spit into a well dug by ancestors is a sign of the madness of a feral society. They consider themselves to be supposedly reasonable, and others, including grandfathers and great-grandfathers, are not people at all, but "Soviets" who did not understand that living in satiety is good and pleasant ..... this is already a clear diagnosis.
          1. your1970
            your1970 9 June 2021 12: 18
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Yeah. Everyone left, no one was left. A rocket with a nuclear reactor assembled by themselves.

            Quote: ivan2022
            "there were only 11 thousand of these same scientists in RI. According to the statistics of RI itself

            When almost everyone left the country ALL 11 is at times ...
            Only a few remained ... and people began to build rockets with reactors with BEFORE revolutionary education, you can see their dates of birth ...
            Or will you argue with the fact that in the USSR it was so bad for industrialization with qualified personnel - that you had to import engineers and even workers from abroad ???? And for gold?
            Well, open the "Golden Calf" or A Man Changes Skin "by B. Yasenskiy. It is described in detail there ...
            Two wars - WWI and Civilian men thinned out great.
            Or the case of the Industrial Party and the Shakhty case - there is also a lot about the level of qualifications of engineers and technicians
            Or the case for 45 mm armor-piercing shells. ...
            Or an epic with railroad catastrophes and accidents in the early 1930s. 62 (!!!!!!!!!) per year. ...
            And then everything was fun ...
            There were articles on armor here. So there it was carried out as an achievement - that "Reduced marriage to 52%" ... guess if it's a marriage or not .. 50/50 ...
            I am silent about the composition of the armor

            Z. Y.
            Quote: ivan2022
            Lunch into the well dug by the ancestors is a sign of the madness of a feral society. They consider themselves to be supposedly reasonable, and others, including grandfathers and great-grandfathers, are not people at all, but "Soviets" who did not understand that living in satiety is good and pleasant ...
            - leave the apartment, knock on the neighbor with many children and tell her- "You have a lot of children, here's my car, so that the children have something to carry ... For good ... Free of charge .... In fairness" ...
            Weak? Well, you don't talk about life "in satiety and warmth" ...
            1. place
              place 9 June 2021 17: 51
              -3
              Quote: your1970
              All 11 thousand left, only a few left ..... leave the apartment, knock on the neighbor with many children
              .

              As I walked by, I was hurt by this ... Well, I would have left the apartment and entered where far away ... then I might, looking at the saint, would have risen morally ... to start, dear man, you have to with yourself. ... and not poke your finger at your opponent, he shouldn't do anything ... you understand? ... and what has the Soviet ideology to do with it? Well, people ...
              In addition, even if we assume the fantasy that "there are only a few", then these supposedly "units" were able to train 40 thousand scientific workers for the USSR in about 600 years. And who financed this activity for 40 years, eh?
              1. your1970
                your1970 9 June 2021 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: ort
                Well, I would leave the apartment myself and go far away ... then maybe, looking at the saint, I would have risen morally ... start, dear man, you need to with yourself ... and not poke a finger at your opponent, he is nothing shouldn't ... you know?
                - absolutely the opponent owes nothing to anyone ... at all ...
                Only here are troubles - shouts about equality, freedom and so on - why do not want to start with themselves. You noticed it very correctly

                Quote: ort
                even if we admit the fiction that "there are only a few"
                - this is not an admission - this is a fact. As a fact and the fact that engineers and even workers were brought into the country into industrialization. Where to look to see level pre-war qualifications - I indicated

                Quote: ort
                And who financed this activity for 40 years, eh?
                you don't know yourself ...

                Quote: ort
                By 1923, the number of research institutes in the country reached 55, and by 1927 there were more than 90 of them.
                - great! great!
                but the aviation engines somehow did not work, both automobile and tank ... and all radio communications without exception ... and with anti-aircraft artillery it was sad for some reason
                but about optics / sights - write censored, I can not, but not censored ...
                And so in everything until the collapse of the USSR - the institutes of dofigisch, and a banal passenger car could not be made human.
                There were breakthroughs - atom / space / military-industrial complex, only now the results were achieved there by pumping in crazy funds and resources. One of the reasons for the death of the USSR was they, including

                Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
                for all the time in the Union, various organizations have more than 40 aircraft engines were designed, 30 of them were put into production, about 15 were built, but none of them are worth and probably will not be on planes.
                - here it is - the effectiveness of those institutions
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 June 2021 10: 25
              -1
              Quote: your1970
              When almost ALL 11 left the country

              This is how I understand it from Solzhenitsyn's training manual with billions of people shot personally by Stalin? Not really. Gozman approves.
              Quote: your1970
              And rockets with reactors began to be built by people with a BEFORE revolutionary education, you can see their dates of birth ...

              For a start, you would have asked about the dates of birth of Kurchatov and Korolev. And then what is so well, even pre-revolutionary, and what? Like you want to say that all scientists after the revolution are no longer scientists, and so they went out for a walk? Quit smoking the liberal press, otherwise you will go completely crazy.
          2. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 9 June 2021 13: 28
            +2
            Quote: ivan2022
            Do not take it for work, open at least "Wikipedia" and see how fast science developed in the RSFSR and the USSR in the first years after the revolution.

            Is not it?
            We look at the state of affairs in aircraft engines:
            On August 13, 1930, a group of aviation specialists headed by A.D. Charomsky turned to I. Stalin, with a letter that highlighted the state of aircraft engine building and substantiated the need to create an Institute of aircraft engine building:
            "... It is known that for all 13 years (of the existence of the USSR) we have not created a single finished aircraft engine of our own, which would stand on our airplanes. It is also known that for all the time in the Union, more than 40 aircraft engines were designed by various organizations, 30 of them were put into production, about 15 were built, but none of them is worth and probably will not stand on airplanes. At the same time, our industry builds foreign models, engines, and our aviation flies on obsolete machines. Our pilot production was extremely fruitless.


            Exceptionally sterile!
            This is the opinion of aeronautical engineers.
            All Soviet aviation of the Second World War flew on foreign engines, which were exclusively modernized - they were boosted in power, losing in resource.
            M-105 i.e. "Hispano-Suiza HS 12 Ycrs
            M-62, M-63 ASh-62IR i.e. Wright Cyclone R-1820F-3
            M-85, M-86, M-87, M-88, M-89, i.e. motors clones of the French double-row star Mistal Major ("Mistral Major") K-14
            Engines laid the foundation for aircraft engine building in Russia (V-shaped), "Gnome-Ron" and "Wright" (radial), "Hispano-Suiza" (V-shaped). Radial engines were supervised by A.D. Shvetsov, and (V-shaped) V.Ya. Klimov and A.A. Mikulin. Moreover, Klimov remained loyal to Hispano-Suiza and drew inspiration from her, while Mikulin gravitated towards BMW.


            Shvetsov decided to create a double-row star based on the American Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 (M-70 M-71) motor
            In 1937, the development of the 18-cylinder M-70 engine began, in 1939 four prototypes of the M-71 engine were created - they could not finish.

            The M-82 engine had a new crankcase, minus two cylinders in each row and using the Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 cylinder-piston group worked out in production - it can be conditionally called a domestic engine with CPG components from Wright.
            1. place
              place 9 June 2021 17: 37
              -1
              Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
              The M-82 engine had a new crankcase, minus two cylinders


              Interesting topic ! So- "new crankcase + even before the fig of everything, is this the state of science in the USSR or a characteristic of the state of society?
              So what if there were cases in the Russian Empire. similar stories of Leskov's "Lefty", who was hid in a madhouse for his achievements? What's next?
              I open "Wiki" on the article "Science in the USSR" and what do I see?
              During the Civil War
              For two years, in 1918-1919. 33 large scientific research institutes were created for that time, including such well-known ones as the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI), the I. AF Ioffe RAS, State Optical Institute (GOI), Institute for the Study of the Brain and Mental Activity, X-ray and Radiological Institute, Institute for the Study of the North. By 1923, the number of research institutes in the country reached 55, and by 1927 there were more than 90 of them.

              This is where I understand that the point is not in "new or old crankcases", but in the financing of science even in the conditions of the Civil War and the first post-war years!

              You know what ? Do not be like a piggy who finds poop among the gold. I do not believe that you were not aware of the existence of the wiki article "Science in the USSR"
              1. Dmitry V.
                Dmitry V. 10 June 2021 10: 24
                0
                Quote: ort
                You know what ? Do not be like a piggy who finds poop among the gold. I do not believe that you were not aware of the existence of the wiki article "Science in the USSR"


                Dear comrade, do not give advice to whom and what to do - it is not a rewarding business.

                Better look how many Nobel Prize winners are in the USSR and how many "former" Russian citizens - who emigrated from Russia including after the revolution and from the USSR - who emigrated in this way - there are more.
                13 laureates of the USSR (I don’t consider the bald one with his “peace” prize for betrayal and the collapse of the USSR)
                22 laureates - immigrants from the Russian Empire
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нобелевские_лауреаты_из_России_и_СССР
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    3. Basil50
      Basil50 8 June 2021 13: 39
      +2
      To Vladimir
      There are prospects. But the * graduated community * in RUSSIA came up with a foreign confirmation of * scientific research *, started the carve-up of real estate and took in * their tenacious paws * the distribution of money. The paradox is that the government WANTS to allocate money for research, but with obligatory control over both expenditures and results, but * the community with degrees * does not really need it. Hustling for the sake of science is so troublesome and will not bring much money, I already have a degree. Self-esteem * degree * has already been scratched, it remains only to furnish with comforts.
      Moreover, there are so many adherents of the * light-faced west * among the * proHVESSORS *, and what will they teach the youth? Some of the teachers appear in the media and on TV with such statements that one involuntarily wants to ask the prosecutor's office, where is she looking?
    4. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
      Muddy Seeing ORACLE 8 June 2021 18: 43
      +4
      With the current education system, there will soon be no one to run. It remains only to wait a little ... wassat
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    6. v.tochenn
      v.tochenn 9 June 2021 10: 31
      -2
      Quote: ximkim
      There are no prospects, so they will continue to leave.

      Skomorokhov is lying. bully How can this be done without the finest, smartest scientists in Russia: "A fantastically complex and equally promising technical structure is beginning to be created in Russia. We are talking about the construction of a fundamentally new nuclear power unit BREST-300-OD."- who is not lazy, search engine to help. Yes, for information from Dahl:"Buffoon, buffoon, musician, piper, magician, bagpiper, guslar, dancing with songs, jokes and tricks, actor, comedian, funny man, bear cub, lomaka, buffoon"... No one will dispute this, but ... tongue
  2. Toucan
    Toucan 8 June 2021 05: 04
    +24
    Who will stop the flight of scientists from Russia?

    In order for scientists to remain in Russia, they need normal working conditions, an adequate assessment of the work of people not only employed in R&D, but also in production. But it is quite obvious that the current leadership is not capable of realizing this. No.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 June 2021 06: 58
      +24
      Quote: Tucan
      But it is quite obvious that the current leadership is not able to implement this.

      I heard a legend
      As if once
      This country was inhabited by giants.
      Like living
      Strange fate:
      Were ready for work and battle
      From lack
      Bread and meat
      They raved about Marx, Victory and Mars,
      Snow taiga
      Arctic gloomy,
      Bright stars over Baikonur
      Hot flame
      The bottomless bottomless ...
      They built mines, dams and blast furnaces.
      And they were mistaken
      And they won.
      Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance.
      Through the cannonade
      Massacre of blood
      Rushed to collapse into tall grasses
      Blackened in the snow
      Into the water and into the clay ...
      Scarlet flag was hoisted over Berlin.
      We went from the collective farm
      Onion beds
      To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente.
      Walked through patterns
      And the stencils
      They walked along carrying the planet
      Wrote in blood
      Good tale.
      Even their mistakes were gigantic.
      Believed, faith
      In the heart of cherishing
      In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum,
      They knew that they were right
      Their sickle and hammer,
      They knew that the world was only split for a while,
      What is not forever
      Pain and sorrow ...

      But crushed. Alas, crushed ...
      Their descendants
      Timidly hiding
      In the musty silence of cabinet boxes
      Think standard
      They don’t rave about the distance
      Reduce credit lifelessly with debit
      Finely dream
      They rarely think ...
      There is nothing left of their ancestors in them.
      1. depressant
        depressant 8 June 2021 08: 22
        +10
        Colleague Dedkastary, amazing poetry. Tell me, whose are they?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 8 June 2021 08: 30
          +13
          Glad to help you, my friend!
          This is Alexey Guskov, his poems are on VERSE ru.
          Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 8 June 2021 09: 19
            +14
            Good morning, Seryozha! )))
            Thank you for enlightening.
            I read the forum. I agree with Roman and the overwhelming majority of fellow commentators. I don't want to say anything myself. If I express what I think, and in appropriate terms, they will be banned forever, and representatives of all the existing power structures will begin to break into my flimsy doors, crowding each other.
            Bitter and insulting, but what can be done? It’s like for many years weeding out a well-insulated vegetable garden from what seems to the owner as a weed. The first years miraculously survived roots will still give shoots, and a harmful plant lurking in the shade will even give seeds. But the owner's tireless struggle with the weed will ultimately lead to victory - the weed will disappear! And on the beds that are clean from him, finally, freely, without fear of competition from the harmful agent in the struggle for nutritional resources, it grows three meters in height, loosening lush fan leaves, kind to the heart and pocket of the owner of the marin.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 8 June 2021 10: 38
              +9
              You have written a lot of words, monies, shortly, briefly.
              Does the ruling regime need smart, educated people? So they go where their knowledge, experience and ... the opportunity to realize them are needed.
              1. frog
                frog 8 June 2021 10: 57
                +8
                I was trying not to amaze with my mind. The only thing he was trying to achieve was to be in time in the state's favor. We don't need smart ones. We need the faithful.

                If sho, not yet prohibited ABS
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 8 June 2021 11: 58
                +9
                Quote: Phil77
                You have written a lot of words, monies, shortly, briefly.
                Does the ruling regime need smart, educated people? So they go where their knowledge, experience and ... the opportunity to realize them are needed.

                This tendency is well traced even on the example of VO. What is demanded is not the argumented dialogues, but the pseudo-patriotic intensity of the articles.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 9 June 2021 00: 39
                  +4
                  That's right!
                  Just open your mouth, and yes, not only with criticism, but simply with the question of what, this is how such an op begins: State Department, navalnist, and so on and so on.
              3. vlad.baryatinsky
                vlad.baryatinsky 8 June 2021 14: 02
                +4
                Quote: Phil77
                Does the ruling regime need smart, educated people?

                Quite right, we noticed!
                Quote: Phil77
                So they go where their knowledge, experience and ... the opportunity to realize them are needed.

                And they are often forced to leave their homeland, not by my will.
              4. Aag
                Aag 8 June 2021 19: 10
                +1
                Quote: Phil77
                You have written a lot of words, monies, shortly, briefly.
                Does the ruling regime need smart, educated people? So they go where their knowledge, experience and ... the opportunity to realize them are needed.

                Without arguing in essence, I would not call THIS "mode".
                ... This is generally, -something, -bangling orgy, lawlessness ... I can't find a definition (no ideology, no goals are indicated ...) (((.....
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 8 June 2021 12: 29
              +3
              and representatives of all existing power structures will begin to burst into my flimsy doors, crowding each other
              Madam, greetings hi
              And you go to the dacha and there in the bosom of nature - write in the circle of plants, while they are breaking at the registration address, time will pass, until they understand where to go and how ... until the exit ... they appoint and receive a decree, and you are already on the bus and home...!? lol
              1. depressant
                depressant 8 June 2021 17: 00
                +5
                Greetings, colleague! )))
                They will not burst at me - I will not give a reason, I have no craving for active illegal actions. After all, I have already remained within the boundaries of my generation, and I can only grumble "How long!" wassat )))
                Let the young move! Those who are not yet fifty.
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 8 June 2021 18: 27
                  0
                  Quote: depressant
                  After all, I have already remained within the boundaries of my generation, and I can only grumble "How long!"

                  This is understandable in Belarus, before Kolya.
                  And here's to you, as always.
                2. Aag
                  Aag 8 June 2021 20: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: depressant
                  Greetings, colleague! )))
                  They will not burst at me - I will not give a reason, I have no craving for active illegal actions. After all, I have already remained within the boundaries of my generation, and I can only grumble "How long!" wassat )))
                  Let the young move! Those who are not yet fifty.

                  Hello!
                  Poems are the strongest! ...
                  The phrase "How long!" I used it literally yesterday in the comments to Samsonov's article ... (unfortunately, now it can be inserted almost everywhere, at least space, at least hockey ... ((().
                  Sorry, distracted, -emotions ... In fact: "... Let the young move! Those who are not yet fifty ...."
                  It's not that I disagree with you (completely, or categorically)! ... I think I understand your message, I could use this formulation myself in some cases. Only now ... And at 60, ardent reactionaries happen, and at 30 (+ -) thinking people come across ... The thesis "being determines consciousness" is relevant! In an office in the capital, or in a sinking year, Tulun, agree, the understanding of "the country's success" will be different ...
                  hi
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 8 June 2021 21: 51
                    +2
                    Dear colleague, I agree with you in many ways hi
                    But, considering myself a person of the past generation, I have no right to give advice to young people. They live in a rapidly changing technological reality, from which I fell out long ago. I can only take a look at the entire socio-economic life of Russia and state with bitterness that our political power is hopelessly outdated - even in the person of its youngest representatives. Mired in corruption, like in a swamp, unable to bring state structures into well-coordinated interaction for the accelerated industrialization of the country on the basis of domestic scientific developments, which would give work not only to young scientists, but also to young workers, our political power still indulges itself with unfounded illusions that she can do something, that just a little bit more and ... And so that the people give her the opportunity to flutter in her own senile weakness, an illusory threat of war is created and a picture of the law enforcement of clubs against false opposition on the principle of "beat your own, so that others are afraid." Aliens are us, ordinary citizens of the country. Looking in the usual horror at all this orgy of senile marasmus of the comprador power and the jerking of the equally obsolete comprador opposition, eager to take the place of this very power, we are silent, suppressed by shame. As if we are watching a television picture returned from oblivion with a drunken conductor Yeltsin. And it feels like time passes - decades pass, and Yeltsin conducts and conducts everything ...
                    1. zenion
                      zenion 8 June 2021 23: 02
                      +1
                      depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova). One overseas person said that those who worked as deputies can never become leaders. They cannot become revolutionaries and will not let others. A boss wearing a briefcase will forever remember that he wore it and will wear it, even in a dream. Neither Lenin nor Stalin ever carried briefcases, they tore them out of the hands of others. After them, there were portfolios carriers who hated this work and they threw off all their dirt on those who created these portfolios and won them back. Mark Twain wrote: All geniuses come out of the people. None of the nobles created anything to make it last forever. Now there are and will be, only those who play noblemen.
      2. kig
        kig 8 June 2021 12: 09
        +6
        Quote: Dead Day
        There is nothing left of their ancestors in them

        Russia is running out of stock of passionarity. If according to Gumilev, now this property of human society is in the area of ​​the 1st level (passionaries striving for accomplishment without risk to life) and is approaching zero.
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 9 June 2021 06: 07
          +1
          Russia is running out of stock of passionarity. If according to Gumilev, now this property of human society is in the area of ​​the 1st level (passionaries striving for accomplishment without risk to life) and is approaching zero.
          Let me disagree with you, in the summer-autumn of 14 in the Donbass, I selected hundreds, there are no thousands of GIANTS who
          They knew that they were right
          Their sickle and hammer,
          They knew that the world was only split for a while,
          What is not forever
          Pain and sorrow ...
          ...................
    2. Deck
      Deck 8 June 2021 09: 15
      +12
      Who will stop the flight of scientists from Russia?


      You can recruit hundreds of thousands to the Russian Guard, you can beat up with truncheons not only all real protesters, but also those who are potentially protesting.


      An old proven method from the USSR: it is necessary to increase not the Russian Guard, but the border troops of the FSB (KGB).
      These are large specialists to ensure that citizens do not scatter. The skills are still not lost.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 8 June 2021 13: 35
        +3
        The authorities now have others ... a priority. Hope and support.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 June 2021 16: 53
          +5
          After the pandemic, this hope and support rushed to work in other countries where conditions are better and salaries are higher than in Russia.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 June 2021 20: 14
            +2
            You give me the Nyugulags. So we will win! How are you doing, Vadim? Are you ready to accept the first lots of vagabonds and clean boys in your business?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 8 June 2021 22: 33
              +2
              27 people took in last year they became unemployed due to the pandemic. I am not engaged in construction, but for that there are friends who are engaged in the construction of cottages now they have a contract for 1.6 billion in the Smolensk region of workers is critically lacking.
    3. Klingon
      Klingon 8 June 2021 18: 57
      +7
      Not just scientists. Take a look at the medical sector. What is the salary of a nurse (even a senior or an OP) in the Russian Federation? I am even afraid to name the number. And in the same Eurogean Germany from 2500 Eurotugriks + equipment of hospitals and working conditions
    4. Israel
      Israel 9 June 2021 10: 54
      0
      Do you need normal living conditions? What do you think, if in the USSR it was as easy to go abroad as it is now (before Covid) from Russia, would the USSR not have faced such a brain drain? The financial side is important, but far from the only one, programmers from Moscow come to us, they can even lose money for money (if you count everything).
    5. your1970
      your1970 11 June 2021 11: 51
      0
      Quote: Tucan
      adequate assessment of the work of people not only employed in R&D, but also in production.

      What will make the final product more expensive - what will hit the state.
  3. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 8 June 2021 05: 48
    +31
    In one day, only the issue of increasing the presidential term and retirement age is resolved.
    1. Normal
      Normal 8 June 2021 07: 23
      +7
      Quote: From Tomsk
      In a day...

      It's already 2021 on the calendar
      The choice that determined our life for a long time was made somewhere in the late 90s of the last century.
      More than two decades ...
      Как one day

      Quote: From Tomsk
      only the issue of increasing the presidential term and retirement age is being resolved.

      Yes. And everything else can wait ...
      Yet about twenty.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 8 June 2021 12: 01
        +10
        not so long ago, gas was found in poverty-stricken Qatar, and only one Bedouin leader made his people prosperous ...
        we have found gas, oil, and the entire periodic table ... damn it, all that remains is to find the Bedouin ...
        and that the learned people are running over the hill, this is a disaster for the country ... the lag behind the developed countries is only increasing ... and it is not a fact that our population will have the same enthusiasm and strength for another leap, as under the "damned communists" ..
        1. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 8 June 2021 15: 33
          +1
          Quote: kepmor
          it remains only to find the Bedouin ...

          The Israelis have long been proposing to resettle the Palestinians in the Jewish Autonomous Region instead of the Jews who left. Replace some Semites with others.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 8 June 2021 20: 15
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        More than two decades ...
        Like one day

        Down the dog's tail.
        Quote: Normal
        Another twenty years.

        And there is either a donkey or a padishah.
  4. OloxDbahax
    OloxDbahax 8 June 2021 05: 55
    +22
    "If only there was no war" ... So they said in the 2010s. But the war is going on on an invisible front, and there we are losing our youth ...
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 8 June 2021 05: 57
    +15
    Fizkult-hello! What society are you from? "Labor Reserves"! And what is Dynamo running? Everyone's running! (from)
  6. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 8 June 2021 06: 00
    +31
    Half of Russian scientists want to emigrate, according to a new study by The Boston Consulting Group, which surveyed 24 respondents, including academics, and low salaries are not the main argument for emigration, despite the fact that the income gap is here and there is essential. According to the research, a career is more important than money, and making it easier in the West and America than in Russia, say the respondents. Konstantin Polunin: “Almost all of my classmates at the Moscow State University are no longer in this country. ease of doing research, access to equipment, to well-established processes: it is very important for scientists to be engaged in science, and not to waste their time on administrative issues and complex procedures for reporting and procurement. Those who are employed in universities are discouraged by filling out various papers, the need to report to people who do not understand anything about the matter. "Doctor of Chemical Sciences, Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences Vadim Maltsev:" My friend deals with the most important issues of petrochemistry: every year, together with his colleagues, he creates new catalysts that are not implemented, because only foreign ones are bought. The same professor who graduates with graduate students says that very talented people studied with him. finished their studies, and then what? The two institutes in which I worked destroyed the State Property Committee. For what? In order to sell the building and put some of the money in your pockets. Where do the guys work? Abroad. ”Scientists themselves say that until the authorities understand that it is prestigious and honorable to do science and provide specialists with all sorts of preferences, it will be difficult for the country to compete in the global talent market. takes only 107th place out of 118.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 02
      -9
      Science should give a return to the economy, and not be a bottomless hole into which budget and private funds will be buried. "Creates new catalysts that are not implemented because only foreign ones are bought." Maybe because foreign reagents are better. that's why they are chosen.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 June 2021 06: 22
    +13
    Here and comments will be superfluous. If we talk about HSE scientists, they became priests of Ancient Egypt. As a mantra they say about the market, although it never existed and does not exist. They have penetrated into all spheres of our life. A striking example is VEF-21. One and The same person says one thing today, and tomorrow the opposite. He communicated and became different. It is necessary to disperse the clouds against the background of human life. Then the scientists will not leave the country.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 8 June 2021 06: 32
      +26
      Physicist Kardopoltsev is sure that young scientists are strongly influenced by the general psychological background in society. If it is dominated by suitcase moods, then they are transmitted to scientists. True, unlike many others, scientists have much more opportunities to leave the country. The brain drain and social pessimism spreading in society are intensifying, says Aleksey Firsov, a sociologist and founder of the Platform for Social Design Center. "In the 2000s, the economy grew, society had a social drive to build the future. Now it is not clear what will happen even in the next 3-4 years. Many leave because they do not see a stable future for their children in Russia."
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 15
        -16%
        Now it is not clear what will happen even in the next 3-4 years. Many people leave because they do not see a stable future for their children in Russia. ”And now he has not gone anywhere either, but the decadent mood, whining and apathy, as well as the search for a new better life somewhere out there is the lot of lazy people and losers in life. 70000 scientists who left for 2019 have nothing to do with reality, just some people in the Russian Academy of Sciences like to exaggerate by writing gastron from the CIS to scientists.The state already spends more than 1.2% of GDP on science and this is not yet about spending on military development, but everything is the same most materials electronics biology chemistry medicine hydraulics hydroaerodynamics heat engineering and so on.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 8 June 2021 19: 16
          -4
          I read an article, the author of which is extremely concerned about the hardest fate of the unfortunate Russian scientists and their inevitable flight from Russia

          I read the comments of the participants, most of whom are also very much concerned about the hardest situation in the country and the same fate of scientists, are sympathetic to the desire of people to leave a terrible country where there is nothing good, due freedom, which will fall apart on the eve of the collapse and tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.

          And ... a little fucking: if the best minds have left Russia, and many are sitting on suitcases, then who then creates wonderful, sometimes the best in the world and unique samples of technology, medicines? Airplanes, ships, ships, submarines, various military equipment, missiles, icebreakers, floating power plants, coronavirus vaccines ... Who did all this if the best minds left? Is it really stupid poor people and beggars sitting in basements and attics, whom the state does not help in any way, does not help, crushes and tyrannizes? And why is the West so nervous, angry, admitting that it has many Russian creations or not, or are they far behind? And why do the best minds, who left Russia for mercantile reasons (they have long been called "sausage emigration"), do not help their new homelands? Not willing or unable?

          An intractable riddle ... smile
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 9 June 2021 11: 53
            -1
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            why the best minds, who left Russia for mercantile reasons (they have long been called "sausage emigration"), do not help their new homelands? Not willing or unable?
            Not everyone has formed the motives for helping the Motherland.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 9 June 2021 11: 57
              -4
              Quote: sniperino
              Not everyone has formed the motives for helping the Motherland.

              Sure. What are the motives of "helping the Motherland" for those who change "Motherland" like gloves and run away for the sake of his good?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 9 June 2021 19: 14
                -1
                Judging by the downsides to me and "Sniper", this topic was mainly attended by those who changed their homeland or were going to do it. Happy journey and success! lol
          2. DominickS
            DominickS 9 June 2021 17: 28
            +2
            Because many of these "best and unique" samples of technology are based on the backlog of an ancient highly developed civilization known as the USSR. Unless somewhere a new node is added, or the lamp is changed to a Chinese semiconductor.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 9 June 2021 18: 27
              0
              Quote: DominickS
              Because many of these "best and unique" samples of technology are based on the backlog of an ancient highly developed civilization known as the USSR. Unless somewhere a new node is added, or the lamp is changed to a Chinese semiconductor.

              An interesting attempt to explain the appearance the new technology! In fact, all new samples always take into account the experience of previous ones and are based on them, are development and are not always completely new and based on new principles. But, in my opinion, the new equipment in Russia is not very similar to the old one with a replaced unit or lamp? And what version about "SputnikV", "EpiVacCorona" and "KoviVak" will you put forward? What kind of lamp was being replaced? smile
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 8 June 2021 20: 20
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          The state already spends more than 1.2% of GDP on science, and this is not yet with regard to expenditures on military development, but there are all the same materials electronics biology chemistry medicine hydraulics hydroaerodynamics heat engineering, etc.

          And as a result, GDP growth in the region of 1 percent per year for 10 years. good
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 June 2021 22: 27
            -3
            And as a result, GDP growth in the region of 1 percent per year for 10 years. - And never mind that since 2014 the economic crisis in Russia, a sharp outflow of foreign investment and sanctions that have been in place for as long as 7 years, as well as a pandemic in 2020, hello - where will the growth come from, we live in a market economy, economic growth is ensured primarily by an increase in trade turnover and an increase investments in the country's economy - but they are not.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 8 June 2021 23: 00
              +6
              As effective managers like to say - who does not want to look for excuses, who wants to look for opportunities. And the problems began even before the age of 14. Actually, our entire business is one big problem. At home, you can puff out your cheeks and talk about your own importance and need, but when you go abroad, you can't stand any competition because you can't really think with your head. But to buy for a ruble and sell for three and live on that two percent, this does not work there.
              Quote: Vadim237
              first of all, an increase in trade and an increase in investment in the country's economy - but there are none.

              Here's the trouble. The Soviet was almost consumed, squeezed out like a lemon. And the evil uncle from America now does not want to give our little bourgeois kids money and technology, preferably for free, so that they flourish. Well, how can you not regret them. And like that, no fucking shit. We deserve it. Thirty years of lost life for the country. No, now I more than understand Stalin who curtailed the NEP. If we were developing at such a pace, the country would come. Yes, in fact, I observe this sluggish tryndets with a lot of unused opportunities every day. And heaps, mountains of excuses, demagoguery, juggling with numbers every time the next change turns out to be a delight. This already resembles some kind of schizophrenia. Especially when hurray patriots with foam at the mouth prove that everything is just fine, and then someone from the government or Putin himself says that this is not so. But what can I say actually. Now even the poor Tajiks are not particularly eager for us, a few more such jerks without swinging and we will definitely catch up with Somalia.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 8 June 2021 23: 21
                -1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                No, now I more than understand Stalin who curtailed the NEP. If we were developing at such a pace, the country would be

                Well, first of all, it was not Stalin at all that “curtailed” the NEP.
                Secondly, if the same methods are applied today, the economy will collapse below the level of the plinth, since the mechanisms used in the mid-20s of the last century had nothing to do with the real impetus to the increase in GDP - there was a banal flow of villagers to the city, to enterprises. The Red Army was formed in the same way, by the way, where by the mid-30s 60% of the l / s were leaving the village with the appropriate qualifications, or rather, without any at all. As a result, the salaries were symbolic for those who came "to the machine" from the village. And there were the same 60-70%. Those. the economy developed extensively. Today intensification is required ....
                Thirdly, no one will give us those 10-15 years in order to "run through and close the gap in retention" for the production of metal, pig iron and the production of electricity. Today these "milestones" do not work, since it is the advanced technologies that solve the problem of the success of the real sector of the economy.
                And this is where the problems associated with protectionism, which are used by the leading countries in this regard, begin.
                There are a lot of such technologies, but the share of Russia in them is not that small. And the main thing is the development of such technologies within the country, at their own enterprises, which provide real income with deduction of taxes.
                And the question arises - where to find personnel serving high-tech enterprises - from the space and electronic industries to agricultural holdings?
                1. Goto
                  Goto 9 June 2021 22: 16
                  +1
                  What about the staff? There is no one or what?
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 9 June 2021 22: 53
                    +1
                    Judging by the comments on the site - to study, and then constantly improve their qualifications - for scrap.
                    But moaning about prosaic salaries is the very thing ...
                    So it turns out that there is a shortage of qualified personnel.
  8. mark2
    mark2 8 June 2021 06: 27
    -14%
    Bryakhnyaya (s)
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 8 June 2021 06: 30
    +16
    Whoever can stop the withdrawal of capital and resources will be able to return the "brains" as well. The author's question: "who" - hung in the air.
    1. Normal
      Normal 8 June 2021 07: 37
      +7
      Quote: samarin1969
      The question ..... "who" is hanging in the air.

      This question is not in the air. He's in the egg.
      And the egg is in the duck.
      Duck in a hare.
      A hare in a chest.
      The casket is on a chain, and the chain is on an oak tree.
      The "good fellow" has not yet reached that oak tree. Everything wanders somewhere in the distant kingdom.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 8 June 2021 13: 09
        +1
        wanders somewhere in the distant kingdom.

        only 107th out of 118
        In Kingdom 107 !? laughing
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 8 June 2021 17: 21
          +1
          100 countries out of the ranking at all?
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 8 June 2021 07: 54
      +20
      Quote: samarin1969
      withdrawal of capital, resources
      Wasn't that meant to be? This "suitcase" mood is primarily among our powers that be, they squeeze Russia out like a lemon, squeeze out the Soviet margin of safety. All the latest military developments, from the Soviet reserve, and everything, as a rule, is potentially ready for sale. Didn't they trade military secrets like that in the USSR, and it has always been a priority for its army in the first place. If the captured Saber from Korea was a godsend, the American heat-guided air-to-air missile from Vietnam is the same. Even if only a photo of our new models of equipment for the CIA was an achievement, now trophies are not needed, they themselves are ready to sell everything, even the S-400, even the Su-57.

      The pipe to the left, the pipe to the right ... Trying to get away from Ukraine sitting on the pipe, and create a semblance with "friendly" Turkey ... Money, here and now, and after that the grass won't grow. Earned by "backbreaking work" in foreign currency and stored in other people's banks. By the way, Sberbank, and the Central Bank itself, whether our banks, are actually under the IMF and FRS. So what to talk about, to live in selected capitalism, and to be free from its world masters is impossible, especially since these masters do not need a strong Russia.

      So, blood is being pumped out of Russia until the space and nuclear legacy of the superpower disappears. Until the veterans, retirees who received an excellent Soviet education, designers, engineers, craftsmen leave ... There will remain a young growth that did not know anything else, the generation of "Pepsi" and soda beer, with diplomas of lawyers and economists. While the authorities are puffing their cheeks, threatening the West with a fist, at the very least, it raises ratings, both for itself and for those who, in the image of the Russian enemy, also make profits.

      What next, maybe we should start with banks? Maybe first stop hundreds of billions flowing out of Russia? Only, for this, it seems, a different social system is needed and power for the people.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 8 June 2021 13: 11
        +2
        veterans, retirees who received an excellent Soviet education, designers, engineers, craftsmen
        And even former pioneers with Komsomol members, ready for labor exploits, always and everywhere !!! good
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 18
        -7
        "By the way, Sberbank, and the Central Bank itself, whether our banks, are actually under the IMF and FRS." And it is for this reason that they get rid of the dollar in foreign assets of the NWF's gold and foreign exchange reserves and in the calculations of imports and exports. By the way, hey, finish any stamped writing.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 9 June 2021 11: 55
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          By the way, hey, finish any stamped writing.
          And why shouldn't they write anything at all?
      3. your1970
        your1970 8 June 2021 17: 42
        +5
        Quote: Per se.
        Even if only a photo of our new models of equipment for the CIA was an achievement,

        Kaneshna !!!! Only here is Trouble - "Soldier of Fortune" posted an article about the AK-74 long before - when we were still counting the spent cartridges and God forbid, one was not enough. We searched with a battery for 3 days at the shooting range in 1988 - and they burned cartridges with zinc 8 years before to write an article
        Photos and descriptions of the ships under construction got into "Jane" earlier than to us in the Navy
  10. atos_kin
    atos_kin 8 June 2021 06: 35
    +16
    If we assign academic titles to all officials of the Russian Federation, then the country will become the world's leader in the number of scientists and their outflow will stop. And some of them should be awarded the title of academician of presidential sciences.
    1. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 8 June 2021 06: 55
      +24
      Long ago appropriated. The heroic academician infantryman was even given a lot to feed. And you say the authorities don't care about scientists!
      1. atos_kin
        atos_kin 8 June 2021 10: 31
        +1
        Quote: Sunflower
        Heroic Academic Footman

        Enlighten about the infantryman, plz, I missed something.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 8 June 2021 11: 31
          +11
          There is one person who calls himself Putin's foot soldier. Concurrently academician and hero of Russia. In general, nothing special, an ordinary person.
          1. atos_kin
            atos_kin 8 June 2021 11: 55
            +3
            Thank you, comrade, I understand. This one is also worthy of the title of Academician of the "Presidential Sciences", which is high time to enter the register of the Higher Attestation Commission, only awarded after secret ballot in "fair" elections.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 8 June 2021 17: 24
            +3
            Well, first of all, he is an academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, which belongs not to the state, but to the public academies of sciences. And, secondly, even at RANS he is an honorary, not a "real" academician.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 8 June 2021 13: 13
        +1
        the academician infantryman even gave a lot to feed
        This is in what province and how many souls! ??? wink
  11. Olfred
    Olfred 8 June 2021 06: 47
    +23
    Thanks for the article Roman!
    According to the numbers, it turns out completely dark, another ten years and we will slide into the Stone Age, especially against the background of China and the United States ...
    The USSR occupied one of the first places in the world in terms of the number of scientists engaged in research and development, the number was almost a million, 992 thousand people, but today in Russia this figure is much less - 348 thousand people.

    On the other hand, we have over 2,3 million officials. wassat And this horde needs to be fed ...
    We trade in resources, we lay pipes, at our expense, but not for us, but for "friends", and rather resemble a colony ...
    the outflow of scientists abroad has grown five times compared to 2012. In 2012, about 14 thousand people left Russia, in 2019 - about 70 thousand.

    But we successfully continue to import migrants, someone even took care of the simplified obtaining of citizenship.

    In general, it is very difficult to sit on several chairs at the same time - you need to balance and not give up space.
    This, mind you, I have not written anything about the citizens of the Russian Federation, in what conditions they live, what they want and what they actually get.
    The real state of affairs is somewhat different than what they are trying to convey to us from TV and other media wink
    The list goes on, correct me if I'm wrong.
    Bow out hi
    1. Serg4545
      Serg4545 9 June 2021 09: 37
      -1
      The article is about deception and manipulation.
      Quote: OlfRed
      The USSR occupied one of the first places in the world in terms of the number of scientists engaged in research and development, the number was almost a million, 992 thousand people, but today in Russia this figure is much less - 348 thousand people.

      Here is the first manipulation.
      The number of scientists in the vast USSR and in modern Russia is compared. But what about the fact that both the RSFSR and modern Russia are 2 times smaller in population than the USSR?
      If we compare the number of scientists per capita, then the difference with the times of the USSR is not significant.
      Quote: OlfRed
      the outflow of scientists abroad has grown five times compared to 2012. In 2012, about 14 thousand people left Russia, in 2019 - about 70 thousand.

      Pure, uncluttered lies.
      In 2019, 70 thousand people with higher education emigrated from Russia. How many of them were engaged in scientific activities (that is, are scientists)?
      Well, if the proportion is the same as in our country as a whole, then there are 14-15 thousand scientists among them.
      That is, there is no growth in the outflow of scientists at all.
  12. Escobar
    Escobar 8 June 2021 06: 50
    +16
    So the circle has closed. The more scientists leave, the less chances we have to produce products that are competitive on the world market, the more chances other countries have to squeeze us out of world markets. And this process of collapse is accelerating more and more every year, as a result, if the top officials do not take up their minds, in twenty years, compared to top countries, we will be like Russia now compared to some Haiti or Somalia - a beggar, plundered, take it come in whoever you want, do what you like.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 June 2021 13: 16
      +1
      The more scientists leave, the less chances we have to produce products that are competitive on the world market, the more chances other countries have to squeeze us out of world markets.
      Well, with the outflow of young "and hot scientists" guys, everything is clear and so without the "screeching" of scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences and all kinds of Higher Schools ..., since the XNUMXs in these provinces, the process has gone exponentially! But to produce competitive products (and then sell them on the world market, where everything has been divided and divided for a long time ...), then I think everything is even more difficult and hopeless, especially to buy world-class equipment and standards, under sanctions ... , still that !?
  13. Professor
    Professor 8 June 2021 06: 57
    +28
    The fourth reason. Inflation of academic degrees.
    Well, I really don't want to be in the same row with "scientists", Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Technical Sciences Rogozin, Candidate of Economic Sciences Shoigu, Candidate of Legal Sciences Medvedev, Candidate of Economic Sciences Putin, Candidate of Technical Sciences and Doctor of Laws, Professor request Volodin.
    Let Roman tell us about the brain drain now. Here are the brains. Remained and nowhere these "scientists" will not leave so the cost to them in the West ...

    The fifth reason. Bureaucracy.
    The scientist does not want to fill out endless pieces of paper and write endless reports to the top. He wants to work.

    The sixth reason. Spy mania.
    How many Russian scientists were imprisoned for "espionage"?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 8 June 2021 09: 56
      +6
      The seventh reason. Devaluation of diplomas.
      There are a lot of people of higher education who work in Mac. That is, higher education does not guarantee anything. In the same way, you can get into the Mac right after school. And this has a terrible demoralizing effect on people. They don't want to go to university. A person with a diploma should not engage in such plebeian work, he should be guaranteed a place in his specialty, and not in an ordinary position.
  14. Normal
    Normal 8 June 2021 06: 58
    +12
    Third reason. Political.


    This is the first reason. This is precisely the cause of all causes.

    И Lack of attention from the state to the development of science and technology. и Poverty and misery. these are not old women with hooks, this is a consequence of the irremovability of power.
    Of course, there is no guarantee that after the change of government it will get better, but the fact that without a change of government it will not be better guaranteed over the past 10 years it has become quite obvious.

    You can discuss for a long time various fields of activity, from education to production and from sports to science. But moving along the pyramid of reasons for what is happening, we will invariably rise to the very top and rest on .... an insoluble political problem.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 June 2021 07: 34
      -16%
      Quote: Normal
      we will invariably rise to the very top and run into ... an insoluble political problem.

      Any suggestions?
      1. Normal
        Normal 8 June 2021 07: 55
        -4
        Quote: Boris55
        Any suggestions?

        National Liberationжto be admitted.
        Fight relentlessly.
        Partisan under occupation.
        Restore the sovereignty of the Russian Federation.
        Achieve the nationalization of the Central Bank.
        To fix the Ideology in the Constitution (it does not matter which one, the main thing is to "fix").
        Free the President from the shackles of the liberals around him and support his many years of efforts to get him off his knees.
        Give the President even more powers, terms of office and years of life.

        Introduce BER into primary school curricula.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 8 June 2021 08: 20
          -26%
          Quote: Normal
          Fight relentlessly.

          This is the slogan of the Trotskyists: "And an eternal battle, they only dream of peace. There is a peaceful way to change the elite, and we have such experience. How we have different forces, at different times, seized control of the country without resorting to mass violence:

          1917.
          Power was taken by the Bolsheviks, who had joined their ranks the day before the Trotskyists and other parties. The decision in the party is taken by a majority. The number of Trotskyists significantly exceeded the number of Bolsheviks incl. in fact, the country was ruled by the Trotskyists from behind the Bolsheviks, which allows today's people to blame all the atrocities they committed against the Bolsheviks.

          Trotsky's decision to unite was made after the Bolsheviks announced their decision to save Russia: "There is such a party!" - the phrase uttered by V. I. Lenin on June 4 (17), 1917 at the I All-Russian Congress of Soviets in response to the thesis of the Minister of the Provisional Government I. G. Tsereteli that: "Everything is lost, Russia is no more and there is no one to save it."

          The Trotskyists formalized the decision to unite at the most difficult moment for the Bolsheviks: when, after the July days of 1917, Lenin's party was driven underground, and the leader himself was forced into hiding. At the VI Congress of the RSDLP (b) (held in Petrograd from July 26 (August 8) to August 3 (16), 1917), which formalized the unification, no one demanded any statements of "agreement with the line of the Bolshevik Party" from them.

          The number of Bolsheviks before the unification was ~ 46 thousand, after the unification ~ 350 thousand. (Why did the greater merge into the lesser and began to be called the lesser, and not in reverse?)

          1924.

          "After Lenin's death, Stalin carried out the" Lenin's call "to the party of ordinary workers and peasants. Thus, the party's number by 1932 amounted to more than 3 million. The number of Bolsheviks increased than the number of Trotskyists, and thus Stalin managed to carry out his policy.

          1952.
          During the war, Trotskyists, such as Khrushchev with Brezhnev and others, recruited new members to the party, and by 1952 the party had already numbered about 7 million. The Trotskyists took over again. They announced their victory to the whole world by renaming the CPSU (b) into the CPSU. The mention of the Bolsheviks was removed from the abbreviation of the party. Thus, it was shown to the whole world that the power in the USSR passed to the Trotskyists.

          Stalin insisted on renaming the CPSU (b) into the CPSU.

          2000.
          The siloviki (Putin) seized control at the top, but Western henchmen are still sitting in the localities ...
          * In 2001, Putin creates EP from three parties. It was immediately overrun by the Trotskyists.
          * In 2012, Putin creates a new structure of the ONF and goes to the polls. It was immediately overrun by the Trotskyists.
          * In the last elections, Putin is running as an independent and the people supported him.



          We cannot create a party that goes beyond the current concept. It is necessary to go already to those who have, to the ruling one, and fill it with new meanings. So, without revolutions, upheavals, massacre and with the country sinking into the Stone Age, it is possible to seize control of the country. This is real. Our past confirms this.

          Quote: Normal
          Anchor the Ideology in the Constitution.

          We have a variety of ideologies (parties are the bearer of ideologies). The appointment of some party as the main one, most likely it will be the United Russia party and its ideology - the exploitation of man-man, will ultimately lead to the collapse of Russia.
          Ideology over ideologies (which you most likely stand for) is called a concept.

          Quote: Normal
          Introduce BER into primary school curricula.

          Not only in the school curriculum, but everywhere, which was recommended after the hearings on the COB in 1995 by the Duma.

          "If you want to ruin the business, change your leader more often. If you want to ruin the country, change presidents more often." Limiting the term of office of the head of state is harmful for the country, but at the same time there must be a practical mechanism to revoke powers from a manager of any level.
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 June 2021 08: 54
            +11
            Here you go - the evolution of Boris55 from GOD to Bolshevism
            (Stalin by Boris55 turns out to be a Trotskyist.) And from Bolshevism back to NOD and Putinism
            Further BER.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 8 June 2021 09: 52
              -10%
              Quote: Normal
              Stalin by Boris55 turns out to be a Trotskyist.

              Why do you think so?

              Stalin was a Bolshevik and he insisted on renaming the CPSU (b) into the CPSU because he really saw what happened in the party after the Second World War (see the chart by the post above), how the Bolshevik / Trotskyist power ratio changed and did not want anything in the subsequent events that led the country to perestroika, the Bolsheviks were accused.

              The meaning of the post I wrote above is to give an alternative to the violent change of the social system, to all those who are not satisfied with the current state of affairs in the country and they do not see any other way than violence (revolution). There is such a way.

              ps
              I have never been an adherent of GCD.
              1. Normal
                Normal 8 June 2021 22: 10
                -1
                Quote: Boris55
                Stalin was a Bolshevik and he insisted on renaming the CPSU (b) into the CPSU because he really saw what happened in the party after the Second World War (see the chart by the post above), how the Bolshevik / Trotskyist power ratio changed and did not want anything in the subsequent events that led the country to perestroika, the Bolsheviks were accused.


                Ha ha ha! Write more! I haven't laughed like that for a long time.
                In your naively stupid demagogy, you catch up with your ideological inspirer E. Fedorov.
                I wonder when you write, do you have the same stupid expression on your face?
          2. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 8 June 2021 10: 08
            +7
            Change of power is one of the tenets of a democratic society, otherwise God Save the Tsar, with all the consequences
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 8 June 2021 10: 14
              -12%
              Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
              Change of power is one of the tenets of a democratic society

              From a change in the places of the terms, the amount does not change. It is necessary to change the concept of the life of society. Just as the Trotskyists (without noise and dust) changed the vector of goals of the USSR to the opposite, in the same way it must be returned to its place.

              At the forum, Putin announced to the whole world - we will not feed anyone else, indemnities from the results of the Cold War of the last century will not come from us anymore. We will continue to cooperate solely on mutual interests.

              I proposed a non-violent method of changing the social order. Does anyone have any suggestions (other than violence) on this issue? Minus, I'm listening to you.
              1. Sergey Nikiforov
                Sergey Nikiforov 8 June 2021 10: 21
                +5
                Putin said a lot of things to the point
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 8 June 2021 10: 23
                  -13%
                  Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                  Putin said a lot of things to the point

                  The sense is, at least, that Biden requested a meeting with us, and not on the contrary (like Zelya).
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 8 June 2021 11: 14
                    +10
                    And so what ? As if this meeting will boost the country's economy or improve people's lives.
                  2. Sergey Nikiforov
                    Sergey Nikiforov 8 June 2021 12: 19
                    +6
                    Biden just promised voters to make an attempt to normalize relations Promises fulfills That's all No need to look for a black cat in the black room, especially if it is not there
              2. Boris55
                Boris55 8 June 2021 10: 50
                -11%
                Quote: Boris55
                Minus, I'm listening to you.

                And in response to silence ....
                "You need great shocks, and we need a great Russia" - PA Stolypin
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 8 June 2021 15: 34
                  +6
                  In principle, there will be no great Russia with the current leadership.
          3. Normal
            Normal 8 June 2021 21: 53
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            There is a peaceful way to change the elite and we have such experience.


            And what is this experience? And here it is:
            Quote: Boris55
            Power was taken by the Bolsheviks, on the eve of the Trotskyists and others who joined their ranks ....... in fact, the Trotskyists ruled the country from behind the Bolsheviks ........
            During the war, Trotskyists, such as Khrushchev with Brezhnev and others, carried out a new recruitment into the party ........
            The Trotskyists took over again ..........
            The reference to the Bolsheviks was removed from the abbreviation of the party. ...................
            power in the USSR passed to the Trotskyists .......
            In 2001, Putin creates EP from three parties. It was immediately overrun by the Trotskyists .............
            In 2012, Putin creates a new structure of the ONF and goes to the polls. It was immediately overrun by the Trotskyists


            What cunning and omnipresent Trotskyists ... Whatever you take, they immediately flood it and seize power. And here Boris55 states:
            Quote: Boris55
            We cannot create a party that goes beyond the current concept. It is necessary to go already to those who have, to the ruling one, and fill it with new meanings.So, without revolutions, upheavals, massacre and with the country sinking into the Stone Age, it is possible to seize control of the country. This is real. Our past confirms this.

            But in the past, according to Boris55 himself, only Trotskyists have always acted this way.
            Hence Boris55 - Trotskyist.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 June 2021 09: 17
          +11
          Quote: Normal
          To fix the Ideology in the Constitution (it does not matter which one, the main thing is to "fix").

          Elegant! laughing
          Quote: Normal
          Give the President even more powers, terms of office and years of life.

          then, in addition to "no matter what ideology," the president's right to cloning should also be enshrined in the constitution. With the guarantee of employment of the clone at the place of work of the original, with the right of indefinite continuity of subsequent replicas.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 June 2021 10: 00
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          Give the President even more powers, terms of office and years of life.

          Years of life? I have an idea. Make the president look like Professor Dowell. There is no need for him to wander through the taiga and dive for jug ​​shards. A useless waste of the president's biological resource, which does not benefit the country. We will give him the shards ourselves.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 29
      -3
      Of course, there is no guarantee that after the change of power it will get better - the poor will not become better as they were poor and will remain because half of the current poor, if not most of the already chronic consciousness changed to such a way of life, the established state can give them out from the turntable, but this will not help them overcome your condition. "Lack of attention from the state to the development of science and technology." This is a very strange statement considering the recently announced allocation of an additional 1.6 trillion for basic science until 2024.
  15. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 8 June 2021 07: 23
    +26
    I support this topic with both hands. Here I fully agree with the author of the article. Now in the morning I asked my wife how many of her graduates work abroad. 15 or 16 people. Among them, Professor Sorbona, at Yale University, too. I will never forget when two years ago (before pandemic) her former student came to us, and now there was some kind of light in America Well, a present for my wife, a gurgling present for me (and I was not too lazy to drag it from there), and during a conversation with this gurgling one, I asked if everything is really so good there, in America he replied There are enough of his cockroaches, BUT I am always sure that my knowledge will be in demand and most importantly paid for everything And let them give out a poetic opus about disinterested love for the Motherland, nobody has yet refuted Marx's formula, namely Being determines consciousness Everything Further you can not discuss And so everything in the article is correct. In the morning, Rosstat reported that inflation is above 6%. Comrades, we are going the right way.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 09: 40
      +11
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      namely Being determines consciousness

      This is an outdated formula. We are introducing a slightly different thing - beating determines consciousness.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 33
      -10%
      This article is the usual drawing of an owl on a globe no more.
  16. Boris55
    Boris55 8 June 2021 07: 30
    -39%
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    The first. Lack of attention from the state to the development of science and technology.
    The second problem. Poverty and misery.
    The third cause. Political.

    So I wonder who we have, if everyone left, created the most advanced weapon in the World, which for many years now no one in the World is capable of not only surpassing, but also repeating? laughing
    Conclusion: mediocrities left, well, and a star-striped flag in their hands.
    1. Normal
      Normal 8 June 2021 07: 58
      +18
      Quote: Boris55
      the most advanced weapon in the world

      Announce the list of samples and their performance characteristics.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 8 June 2021 08: 36
        -27%
        Quote: Normal
        Name the samples and their performance characteristics.

        "Maybe you also need a little key on a silver platter from the apartment where the money is?"
        1. Normal
          Normal 8 June 2021 08: 46
          +17
          "A dish with a blue border" and "a key to the apartment where the money is" are from different works.
          Could you confirm your enthusiastic cries with something more significant?
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 8 June 2021 12: 22
        +7
        This is probably about the armature and other super weapons that are in piece copies.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 36
        -9
        Yes, the same hypersound - one rocket is all areas of science and technology, from materials to engine building and aerodynamics and, accordingly, production equipment.
    2. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 8 June 2021 10: 06
      +11
      So I wonder who we have, if everyone left, created the most advanced weapon in the World, which for many years now no one in the World is capable of not only surpassing, but also repeating?

      And besides weapons, do we have anything else? Or do you see the meaning of your life in increasing the number of tanks per capita?
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 8 June 2021 10: 38
        0
        Fortunately, there is still, as an exception, confirming the rule - Rosatom with its heap of technologies (and industry research institutes + universities, still alive), for example hi
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 40
        -3
        There are also many, as an example, the development of turbine engineering for power engineering, the model of the turbine GT 160 -
        1. atalef
          atalef 8 June 2021 22: 36
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          There are also many, as an example, the development of turbine engineering for power engineering, the model of the turbine GT 160 -

          Does it already exist or is it just in the model?
          And so, by the way, the first GE 250MW gas turbine was installed back in 1996, now there are 315MW simens
          - so in general - and here is a model, for 160 MW.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 June 2021 14: 39
      +8
      Quote: Boris55
      the most advanced weapon in the world, which for many years no one in the world is capable of not only surpassing, but also repeating?
      Yeah, but for some reason the United States sells its "shitty" weapons many times more than we do. And sells to the rich developed countries, not the ragged beggars from the Third World.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 17: 43
        -5
        So they slaughtered these markets for weapons for decades, and the USSR at that time was pushing just rogue - so the market shared here and the answer about the poor ragamuffins of the Third World to whom we sell weapons.
  17. Dimy4
    Dimy4 8 June 2021 07: 42
    +16
    Three cheers to our President for our "happy" present!
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 June 2021 09: 22
      +15
      Quote: Dimy4
      Three cheers to our President for our "happy" present!

      - I really love PZ!
      - And I have even more ku!
      (C)
  18. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 8 June 2021 07: 44
    +9
    After reading the article, and fully supporting it, I asked my wife at breakfast, she is my math teacher and not the last one in our regional center How many of her graduates work abroad At a glance 15 or 17 people Among them Professor Sorbona, at Yale University Two years ago , her graduate visited her, who now some kind of light in America Brought a present Well, over a glass of tea I asked him Is it really so good in America, to which he replied that there are enough cockroaches there, but I'm always sure that my knowledge are needed and will be adequately paid for Everything The classical formula of Marx Being determines consciousness has not yet been canceled And in the morning I subtracted the cheerful report of Rosstat that inflation in May exceeded 6% Everything We are going the right way, comrades
  19. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 8 June 2021 07: 50
    +10
    We recently published an article "The White Guards Without Which Bulgaria Would Not Be What It Is". This is in honor of the centenary of the emigration of Russians to the country. So from 1921 to 1930, 120 Russian doctors, 380 teachers, 55 agronomists, 200 engineers, 35 professors, more than a hundred lawyers were appointed to work in Bulgaria. More than 100 Russian immigrant organizations and schools have been created. The Russians laid the foundation for the Bulgarian ballet, theater and participated in the creation of the foundations of medicine and urban planning in Bulgarian cities. Most of them served in the Bulgarian army.

    They do not like White Guards and immigrants here, but this is not the case with us, and people remember and respect their compatriots with Russian roots and their history.
    1. tatra
      tatra 8 June 2021 10: 03
      -2
      The result of the WORK of the communists and their supporters is a large-scale development of ALL branches of the country, including science. The result of the WORK praising "Russia we have lost" and the White Guards is a massive degradation of ALL branches of Russia, including science. And their cowardly whining "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame", "and we have nothing to do with it, it was the communists who destroyed and dispersed the best, most hard-working, gene pool and the flower of the nation."
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 8 June 2021 10: 52
        +4
        THE WORKS OF THE COMMUNISTS


        No, I'm not going to interfere in your dispute about the Reds and Whites. It’s not interesting to me. Your communists have developed all industries on a large-scale - well, okay. And here the White Guards have made a huge contribution to the development of the country and we remember and do not forget this, even after a hundred years, from the days when they came to look for a new homeland.

        By the way, both are Russian. This should not be forgotten, in the topicality of being.
        1. tatra
          tatra 8 June 2021 11: 07
          -2
          Ha, so why did not the White Guards, praised by the enemies of the communists, make a huge contribution to the development of their country, the Russian Empire, before the October Revolution? What then was the same as after the seizure of the RSFSR by you - the export of natural resources and raw materials, and the import of production products, the science of education, the sale of Russia to foreigners?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 18: 04
        -2
        Yes, in the USSR, such a science was developed, and most importantly, such a rapid implementation of its achievements was especially in the civil sector - that toilet paper began to be produced only in 1969, MRI did not do optical fiber, as well as matrices for thermal imaging cameras, floating docks of the PD brand all bought large gantry cranes from Sweden carrying capacity in Nikolaev is worth buying from Finland large-diameter pipes for gas pipelines bought modern processing centers in the west the same one of the foreign offices transferred documentation and equipment for localizing the production of marine diesel engines the result was not localized in the USSR in the late 70s they released the world's first CD player but Nobody found out about this in the world, and he never went into production, it was difficult and no one wanted to take it on.
        1. tatra
          tatra 8 June 2021 18: 30
          -2
          Which is what was required to be proved. You, enemies of the communists, for 30 years have proceeded with manic criticism of how the Soviet communists and their supporters worked, that you YOURSELF ruined ALL branches in ALL the republics of the USSR that you captured. And the communists did not need this, they were proud of their achievements in comparison with the Republic of Ingushetia.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 June 2021 22: 17
            0
            "You, the enemies of the communists, have been issuing maniacal criticism of how the Soviet communists and their supporters worked for 30 years." Honestly, they have been doing garbage since the 60s, which is why the USSR was gone. And yes, heal your parrot, otherwise it starts to progress with you.
        2. kig
          kig 10 June 2021 10: 01
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Yes, in the USSR, such a science was developed and, most importantly, such a rapid introduction
          here the person has boiled, not a single comma! All the strain in one sentence splashed out.
  20. Kisa
    Kisa 8 June 2021 07: 57
    0
    komenty glanced diagonally. Are you here in shifts or what? yesterday the patriots were frolicking. today shatalski .... but what about the tanks at the border?
  21. EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 June 2021 07: 58
    +1
    And the Su-57 is still not going to be built.
    It is surprising that people still live in the 90s.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 June 2021 14: 41
      +3
      So they don't build it. The troops do not. And its competitor, supposedly "shitty" F-35, is assembled at 100-150 units per year, and there is a whole line of people interested in it.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 18: 07
        -1
        "There are no troops in the army." In the troops, it is in one copy this year, two more should be transferred - so they ordered 76 until the 27th year, but the military are waiting for the second stage engine to be brought into production and put into production and already massively purchase an aircraft with it, and this is a logical decision.
  22. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 June 2021 08: 08
    +10
    Fsevirte smile But what about Rusnano? Every day there, the invention of new technologies, breakthroughs are pouring in, as if from a cornucopia. Patents are issued, patents are sold abroad, huge receipts to the treasury, from the use of these patents in the West. Products manufactured under these patents are acquired by Russia, but this so little things, production costs. smile
  23. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 8 June 2021 08: 31
    -22%
    Of course, this is a serious problem. But it is human nature to look for where it is better. Simply, it is necessary to distinguish where "scientist is from science" and where "scientist is from the wallet". The real scientist is only interested in science. This is his meaning in life. He doesn't care about politics. And the "scientist from the wallet" creates only for the sake of profit. Let him go. But he must understand that there is no way back. You can't serve two gods.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 09: 49
      +20
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      A real scientist is only interested in science. This is his meaning in life.

      Well then, a real politician is only interested in the prosperity of his country. That's when our guarantor, and his entourage, will walk in tattered overalls, and not in suits at the price of half of my house, they will move from the ogarev and other summer cottages to a hut, hundreds of pensioners will take off their watches for retirement, in a year, and they will eat only macaroons, then let's talk about the meaning of life.
      And then somehow it turns out strange. Scientists, doctors and other workers should look for the meaning of life in work, and those who rule them in hedonism. If you please, you will be pharisee. Yeah.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 8 June 2021 10: 58
        -10%
        So you yourself have confirmed that "learned from the wallet" prevails.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 11: 11
          +9
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          So you yourself have confirmed that "learned from the wallet" prevails.

          Well, judging by the fact that you are present here, you still have money. And to pay for the Internet, and on the device itself from which you come. Those. you work not for an idea, but for a wallet. Why should scientists live differently?
          By the way. I saw somewhere that they were recruiting volunteers for excavations in the Crimea. Do you want to work hard for the good of Russian science? Without a wallet, for an idea. Not?
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 8 June 2021 11: 53
            -7
            I want to reassure you. I came to work for an idea. Although you do not understand this. And everything, thank God, turned out quite well. Not only that, they also paid me, good. And I'm happy with everything. As for the excavations, I would go, with pleasure. And at my own expense. I'm interested in everything. And history, especially. Only now my daughter is still growing, you have to be near. In general, you understand, everyday life .... All the best.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 8 June 2021 17: 35
            -1
            There are never any problems with volunteers at the excavations, people will be found.
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 8 June 2021 10: 38
      +12
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      The real scientist is only interested in science. This is his meaning in life. He doesn't care about politics.

      And a supercomputer is useless for a "real scientist"! Account and slide rule are enough for the eyes.
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      And the "scientist from the wallet" creates only for the sake of profit.

      He at least creates. And our officials, who entirely "from the wallet" also create ... fierce game.
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Let him go. But he must understand that there is no way back.

      What is it? Why do bureaucrats and musicians with artists and athletes travel back and forth to the West and back, buy villas there, but scientists cannot?
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 June 2021 14: 45
      +8
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      The real scientist is only interested in science.
      But nifiga like that. You can get involved in the sciences as much as you like, but drink and eat, feed your family, dress, put on shoes, etc. for something you need. And this applies to absolutely any profession. If a person has nothing to live on and wants to eat, he will give up and do something else. The 90s, when scientists were fired en masse and went to work in the markets, shuttles, etc., showed it perfectly. And now the situation in science is not very much better.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 8 June 2021 22: 22
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      He doesn't care about politics.

      In this case, this is some kind of completely stupid scientist.
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      And the "scientist from the wallet"

      And a scientist from science, apparently, should eat the holy spirit? You wrote blatant nonsense.
  24. Woodman
    Woodman 8 June 2021 08: 55
    -23%
    Here it is worth looking at the main reasons why scientists are leaving so actively. One or two reasons cannot be named. There is a whole complex of reasons here.
    There is no "set of reasons". There is only one reason. "Loot wins everything." And what is called a "complex of reasons" is a banal attempt to justify oneself in front of oneself and others. And it began far from the time when
    still young President Vladimir Putin at the beginning of the 20s (yes, XNUMX years ago) spoke a lot
    ... It started right away, as soon as there was a more / less legal opportunity to leave the country for the West, not at the direction of "the party and the people", but stupidly to make money. For anyone interested, you can search for information about Soviet hockey players in the NHL. I remember that I was quite surprised at how greedy they turned out to be for money. And you can't say that in Soviet sports they lacked something for self-realization ...
    And for the good of the Motherland, either those who are really patriots, or those who are "restricted to travel abroad" work. Although nothing prevents you from being "restricted to travel abroad" and a patriot at the same time. And in fairy tales about the fact that someone like scientists or blokher-journalists in a foreign country dumped not because of money, let them believe in bulk.
    And in general, it is strange to look for excuses for scientists-emigrants in the article and at the same time curse the oligarchs who have children and property abroad. In my opinion, in essence, scientists are no different from such oligarchs.
    And if the oligarchs can and should be forced to return money to Russia, then from the refugee scientists, before releasing them abroad for permanent residence or work, it is necessary to demand compensation for the costs of their education, starting from school. And in threefold size. To prepare, instead of the escaped, to raise three new replacements. Paid - bon voyage. If you don't pay - sit and work.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 10: 06
      +18
      Quote: Lesovik
      before letting them go abroad for permanent residence or work, it is necessary to claim compensation for the costs of their training, starting

      My dear fellow, you are somewhat overestimating the sums spent on us by the state.
      Even taking into account the consolidated budget, the state spends a maximum of 1 thousand per year per student. Taking into account the fact that the tax burden on wages in Russia is about 100%, even when we receive the minimum wage, we annually reimburse the state-woo year of our schooling. If it comes out at least 50 thousand ... School education will be reimbursed in 30-3 years. And in calculating who owes whom, a scientist to the state, or quite the opposite, the balance will most likely not be in favor of the state. lol
      No need for beautiful fairy tales. Charity and social policy of the Russian Federation exist in different layers of the universe. yes
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 8 June 2021 10: 42
        -14%
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        the state spends a maximum of 1 student

        School, higher education, residency and so on ... Let them compensate.
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Considering that the tax burden on wages in Russia is about 50%

        Taxes, I dare say, are spent not only on the education of schoolchildren.
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        School education will be reimbursed in 3-4 years.

        Taxes? It is also possible with taxes, but on condition that the future "refugee" claiming the title of scientist has worked in Russia, in Russian organizations (and not foreign branches in Russia) for a certain number of years. Let's say 10 years at least. And there, you see, it will "grow" with family, property, it will become "hard to climb" and stupid thoughts will disappear from the head. ...
        And why do you persist in reducing everything solely to school? Do we have ready-made scientists coming out of school? This somehow does not fit with the established opinion that school education was "killed" with the introduction of the Unified State Exam ...
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        who owes whom, a scientist to the state, or quite the opposite, the balance, most likely, will not be in favor of the state

        I strongly doubt it. In addition, I did not ask the question of who owes whom more. I clearly put the future "refugee" in the category of the debtor. And he even indicated the approximate amount of such a "debt". And I think this is true. It is you as an "oppositionist" who think that "the worse the better." I'm looking for a solution to the problem one way or another.

        Quote: Lannan Shi
        No need for beautiful fairy tales. Charity and social policy of the Russian Federation exist in different layers of the universe

        And social. politics has never been anywhere and should not be charity, so your claim is groundless here.
        And purely for fun, where did you manage to see the "fairy tale"? Especially beautiful?
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 11: 32
          +11
          Quote: Lesovik
          School, higher education, residency and so on ... Let them compensate.

          Well then, it will be fair if the state compensates for the profits from the work of scientists. How about giving the profits nuuu .... even from the sale of the RD-180 to the families of those who designed them? Since commerce, then both directions. yes
          Quote: Lesovik
          Taxes, I dare say, are spent not only on the education of schoolchildren.

          But we just give more than we receive. And if you put forward the idea of ​​invoicing by the state, then let the citizens present state invoices. It seems that 100re was paid, services were rendered for 50 kopecks. Mr. Mishustin, would you be so kind as to give the change. yes
          Quote: Lesovik
          provided that the future "refugee" claiming the title of scientist has worked in Russia, in Russian organizations (and not in foreign branches in Russia) for a certain number of years.

          Opensource projects You know my dear, when I was puzzled by this question for the first time, I sat down and counted. Debts to the state, for her education, both school and higher, she paid for about the first two or two and a half years of work. Then for the daughters. Now I pay for my theoretical grandchildren, if not for my great-grandchildren. Whose debts the husband pays is a mystery to me personally.
          Quote: Lesovik
          In addition, I did not ask the question of who owes whom more. I clearly put the future "refugee" in the category of the debtor.

          And .... That is, should a person, in fact, or not, you are not particularly interested. You have decided that he is a slave and must pay for the right to free himself. Well ... Yes ... Fresh solution, extraordinary. Then be honest to the end. Draw up a price list. The price of a citizen of the Russian Federation, kindergarten age - 100ue, the price of a citizen of the Russian Federation with 5 classes of education -500ue, student - 3.000yu., Doctor of Science -50.000yu .. If you are already starting a slave trade, build your business wisely. yes
          Quote: Lesovik
          And social. politics has never been anywhere and should not be charity, so your claim is groundless here.

          Ah ... That is, I pay, through taxes, for my education, for my children, for our treatment (although in fact we have not used the services of state hospitals for almost 10 years), I pay for something else with a two or threefold margin, but I still have to for training and treatment? Well, yes. MMM is resting against the background of such a scam.
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 8 June 2021 11: 51
            -12%
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            You know my dear, when I was puzzled by this question for the first time, I sat down and counted. Debts to the state, for her education, both school and higher, she paid for about the first two or two and a half years of work.

            Those. you earned so much that you were able to compensate for the cost of building schools and kindergartens in which you and your children studied, polyclinics and hospitals in which you were treated, the maintenance of the army, which provided you with a "peaceful sky over your head", and the police / police, who provided you with the opportunity to calmly live up to our dialogue with you?
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Draw up a price list. The price of a citizen of the Russian Federation, kindergarten age - 100uy, the price of a citizen of the Russian Federation with 5 classes of education is 500uy, a student is 3.000uy, a doctor of sciences is 50.000uy.

            I see you have already done an excellent job with this task yourself. Only, in my opinion, they were very cheap. And unlike your pricelist, my proposal leaves people with a choice.
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            That is, I pay by taxes

            Can you name the amount of taxes paid? After all, you have given the cost of education for a primary school student? You have two children. Using simple calculations, we get that as a citizen, you must pay at least 200 thousand taxes just to educate your children. Plus, you mentioned the treatment and "something else with a threefold margin." Hmm ... Ie. we continue our calculations, take into account your "threefold stock" and come to the conclusion that your surname should appear on the Forbes list ...
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 12: 34
              +6
              Quote: Lesovik
              that you were able to compensate for the cost of building schools and kindergartens where you and your children studied,

              The school where I studied was built in XNUMX. I don't even know the kindergarten, but judging by the architecture it will be even older. And they compensated for their cost, if not under Khrushchev, then under Brezhnev for sure.
              Quote: Lesovik
              I see you have already done an excellent job with this task yourself.

              I threw this style for you, and the idea of ​​the slave trade is yours, completely and completely. I will not take away laurels.
              Quote: Lesovik
              my proposal leaves people with a choice.

              And what is it? To plow for a penny, so that our respected guarantor and his hangers-on cut through in suits, for which that same scientist can save half his life, or take a tour to Antalya and bring it out of the country illegally?
              Do you know that in what damned America, or decaying Europe, a normal scientist may well earn at the level, and even more than a president, at least some minister? And when our beloved Vova Vovych, or some shoigu, will receive benefits on a par with the engineer of Roscosmos, well, or an engineer at their level, then make claims to those leaving. In the meantime, our ministers receive almost at the level of German ministers, and scientists are less than German janitors ... You should be silent.
              Quote: Lesovik
              Through simple calculations, we get that as a citizen, you must pay at least 200 thousand taxes just for the education of your children.

              Laponka. Here's just to keep things simple. For every 100 thousand rubles, accrued salary, taxes and fees, of all types, a minimum of 30.300 contributions to funds, 13.000 personal income tax will be withheld, from the remaining 87.000 thousand 14.000 + - return through VAT. The total is already 57.300. Plus excise taxes, which, for example, make up more than half of the price of a husband's cigarettes. Plus severance tax and so on. Let's say in the price of gasoline that you buy, 3/4 of the cost is MET and excise. And it is you who pay them, not the Alekpers, from your personal income. In total, taxes, of all types, will be received from you in the region of 60% of your officially accrued salary. And by earning a median, parents extinguish their child's schooling in 2 years. yes It is absolutely not difficult to count this number. Although, if you have successfully forgotten the entire school course, up to the multiplication table, tady oh.
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 8 June 2021 13: 04
                -11%
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And they compensated for their cost, if not under Khrushchev, then under Brezhnev for sure

                Those. you can safely eat up the legacy of previous generations and after you "even a deluge"?
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                I threw this style for you,

                And they threw it on, and counted, but, of course, I and a little more Putin are to blame?
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And what is it? Plow for a penny

                Live and work for the good of the Motherland.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Do you know that in what damned America, or rotting Europe,

                AND? It seemed to me or this phrase of yours confirms this one:
                Quote: Lesovik
                There is only one reason. "Loot wins everything." And what is called a "complex of reasons" is a banal attempt to justify oneself
                ?

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                In the meantime, our ministers receive almost at the level of German ministers, and scientists are less than German janitors ...

                Are you aware that at no time in its history has Russia been able to offer its citizens such financial benefits as the Western world? There were only two reasons for the fact that the scientists did not flee the country:
                Quote: Lesovik
                And for the good of the Motherland, either those who are really patriots, or those who are "restricted to travel abroad" work.


                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Laponka. Here's just to keep things simple. For every 100 thousand rubles, accrued salary, taxes and fees, of all types, a minimum of 30.300 contributions to funds, 13.000 personal income tax will be withheld, from the remaining 87.000 thousand 14.000 + - return through VAT. The total is already 57.300. Plus excise taxes, which, for example, make up more than half of the price of a husband's cigarettes.

                Baby, you only pay personal income tax, the employer pays everything else for you. And, if suddenly the employer stops doing this, this does not mean at all that he will pay you this money. Well, about excise taxes on the price of cigarettes ... Your husband himself (like many others) poisons his body. And if something happens (God forbid, of course) the state will treat him, and it is fair if part of the funds from the purchase of cigarettes will initially go to the budget, including for the treatment of the disease caused by smoking.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Although, if you have successfully forgotten the entire school course, up to the multiplication table, tady oh.
                But you remember this course perfectly when it comes to what you owe you. And you are sincerely surprised when you are reminded of some of your responsibilities, right?
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 13: 34
                  +7
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  And they threw it on, and counted, but, of course, I and a little more Putin are to blame?

                  Well, you offered to charge money for the right to leave the country? And the payment of the right to freedom, this is slavery. In a clean and uncomplicated form. By the way. Secondary education in our country is compulsory. Did not know? And to demand money from a person for what he was obliged to do? Yes. Monsieur knows a lot about perversions. lol
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Live and work for the good of the Motherland.

                  Tell this to Monsieur Putin in particular, and to the Russian government in general. If chu, then some of the official government residences in Russia are almost 10 times more than in the United States. And here merkel, for example, works for 11 or 12 German minimal salaries, and does not buzz. That's when our immensely adored Vova Vovych will live on 150 thousand re, a month, and instead of the Constantine Palace he will acquire a hut, like an American Camp David, which is cheaper than annual lawn care, in the same Constantine's one, then we'll talk about the welfare of the Motherland ... Huh? In the meantime, the hard workers have to plow for the good of the Motherland, for nothing, and the rogozins, different for its good, eat the duckweed, wider than other gates, people are not particularly happy with this alignment. So they are looking for a country that will be a little more loyal to them.
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Baby, you only pay personal income tax

                  Let me tell you a terrible secret. In Russia and personal income tax pays, God forbid, if 5-10%. the rest is paid by the employer. According to this logic, there is no personal income tax in Russia. fool
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  But you remember this course perfectly when it comes to what you owe you.

                  Laponka, I've been explaining my position almost from the moment of registration. I don't need anything from the state. Only one. So that it does not come to me with its help. And then ... As without him, so everything is fine, as our government starts to help me, then a complete priest begins. Take away all the levies, leave only personal income tax, and I don't need any education or pensions from you, we'll figure it out ourselves. Yeah.
                  On that, excuse me all. For I'm tired of explaining for the hundredth time that the tax remains a tax, even if it is called a collection to the fund for saving the galaxy.
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 8 June 2021 13: 55
                    -9
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    And the payment of the right to freedom, this is slavery.

                    Not the payment for the right to freedom, but compensation for funds spent on education. After all, you will agree, no one will let you out of the store with an unpaid product? Walk around the store with such a product as much as you like, you decided to leave - if you please pay. But this collision does not mean that until you have paid for the goods, you are a slave of the store owner, or that the store limits your freedom? Is the analogy understandable?
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Tell this to Monsieur Putin in particular, and to the Russian government in general.

                    As soon as I see it, I'll tell you right away.
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    And here merkel, for example, works for 11 or 12 German minimal salaries, and does not buzz

                    And still she gets more income than Putin)
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    That's when our immensely adored Vova Vovych will live on 150 thousand re, a month, and instead of the Constantine Palace he will acquire a hut,

                    I suspect that he has no time to spend money at all, so it is quite possible that he fits perfectly into this amount, taking into account state support. Is it some new "trick" about the palace? Did Putin buy it out for personal use? Or does this building perform administrative functions?
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    In Russia and personal income tax pays, God forbid, if 5-10%. the rest is paid by the employer. According to this logic, there is no personal income tax in Russia. fool
                    Why beat yourself over the head? Or do you really believe that you have given up a "terrible secret"?

                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Laponka, I've been explaining my position almost from the moment of registration. I don't need anything from the state. Only one. So that it does not come to me with its help.

                    Baby, from the moment of your registration, you never cease to remind how much the state owes you.
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    and I don't need any education or pensions from you, we'll figure it out ourselves.

                    Yes, actually, I didn’t offer you anything like that.
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    For I'm tired of explaining for the hundredth time,

                    Frankly, I am also tired of "for the hundredth time" reading how you get out, instead of just thinking.
        2. Revival
          Revival 9 June 2021 01: 10
          0
          Will such a scientist make many discoveries for you?
          No
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 June 2021 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: Lesovik
      And if the oligarchs can and should be forced to return money to Russia
      First, follow this point, take the money (which from the 20 richest people in Russia make up as much as 35% of the country's GDP, the highest result in the world) and redistribute it to social programs, including decent working conditions and high salaries for scientists, comparable to those in developed countries.
      But then, when you ensure a high standard of living and social benefits in the country, you will demand something from ordinary citizens leaving it. While scientists are working for a penny, you have no moral right to present anything to them.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 8 June 2021 15: 02
        -5
        Quote: Greenwood
        While scientists are working for a penny, you have no moral right to present anything to them.

        You probably think I work for millions? Or do you have some special "moral right" to explain to me my "moral rights"?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 8 June 2021 15: 06
          +5
          Quote: Lesovik
          You probably think that I work for millions?
          How do I know who you are? Maybe you are an official with a salary of 500k?
          But I know the salaries of researchers of the same RAS firsthand. And they are penny. Therefore, you should not condemn these people for any "unpatriotic" actions from your point of view.
          Quote: Lesovik
          Or do you have some special "moral right" to explain to me my "moral rights"?
          If you consider yourself in the right to demand something from scientists (as you described here in detail in numerous comments), then do not be offended that someone, in this case me, will consider himself entitled to put you in your place.
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 8 June 2021 15: 10
            -5
            Quote: Greenwood
            that someone, in this case me, would feel entitled to put you in your place.
            I do not deny you this right, so you can try. That's just your argumentation, to put it mildly, no.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 8 June 2021 15: 17
              +4
              Quote: Lesovik
              That's just your argumentation, to put it mildly, no.
              This is written to me by a person whose entire argumentation in the original commentary boils down to "scientists should, and no one owes them anything", "they need to work for the idea," "patriotism above all else" and a similar set of meaningless slogans. It reminds us very well of the rhetoric of the EdRa officials: "the state did not ask you to give birth," "you can live on macaroshkas alone," etc.
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 8 June 2021 15: 26
                -5
                Quote: Greenwood
                By the way, it reminds of the rhetoric of the EdRa officials:

                Well then, go ahead and remember the Union, where emigration was simply impossible. And nothing worked. And they worked well. And some also showed good results in prison "sharashkas". But "that's different," right?
                As for "should / should not," Russia is not obliged to train personnel for other states free of charge.
                Quote: Greenwood
                This is written to me by a person who has all the arguments

                And who offered a normal solution to the problem. But you, instead of offering another real solution (well, not counting "first take away and divide"), you need to declare my "moral rights" and "put in place." Eh ... What to talk to you about?
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 8 June 2021 17: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Well then, go ahead and remember the Union
                  I can easily remember. In addition to the requirements, the Union gave its citizens a bunch of social benefits in the form of free medicine, education, real estate, low prices and much more, from which today's Russia has successfully moved away.
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  And some also showed good results in prison "sharashkas". But "that's different," right?
                  How cleverly you enumerate the negative aspects of life in the Union (and Stalin's times), without remembering a single positive one. They were not in your opinion?
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Russia is not obliged to cook for free
                  Is free? And what do we have for free now? Schools where parents pay for virtually any whim of the principal and teachers? Or universities, where most of the students study for not sickly grandmothers, and budget places once or twice, and wasted? Or maybe medicine, where you have to pay a lot of money for medicines? Where is free?
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  And who offered a normal solution to the problem.
                  This is not a solution to the problem. From the word at all. You will not achieve anything by prohibitions and requirements. If you want people not to leave, create conditions for them. There will be conditions, people will stay. Moreover, expats will also go from abroad to work for the good of the country. This is the only way, and nothing else.
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  suggest another real solution
                  I wrote you a real solution. Create conditions for a comfortable life in the country, and people themselves will not want to leave it. And to prohibit, close, demand something is a flawed path to nowhere, albeit in the spirit of the rhetoric of officials and security officials.
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  What to talk to you about?
                  Let's talk about your flawed worldview, equalizing impoverished scientists and wealthy oligarchs.
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 8 June 2021 20: 28
                    -3
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    without remembering a single positive one. They were not in your opinion?

                    Why do you think that these are the negative aspects of the Union? I think that the effect of them was purely positive regarding the issue we are discussing: why are they running now and not running before?
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Schools where parents pay for virtually any whim of the principal and teachers? Or universities, where most of the students study for not sickly grandmothers, and budget places once or twice, and wasted? Or maybe medicine, where you have to pay a lot of money for medicines? Where is free?

                    Forgive me, but I and my family receive everything that you have listed for free. I do not know what whims of the director you are talking about, and it is quite possible to enter a university for a free department, and you are also wrong with medicine. There is a paid alternative to everything that you have listed, but it is quite possible to get all this for free.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    This is not a solution to the problem. From the word at all. You will not achieve anything by prohibitions and requirements. If you want people not to leave, create conditions for them

                    And here we come back to:
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    How cleverly do you list the negative aspects of life in the Union


                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Let's talk about your flawed worldview,

                    You are persistently trying to reduce the dialogue to insults, so maybe it is not my worldview that is flawed?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 18: 41
        -2
        First, follow this point, take the money (which from the 20 richest people in Russia make up as much as 35% of the country's GDP. For all billionaires, pocket money is a maximum of 10% of the total fortune - everything else is the estimated market value of movable and immovable property, shares, bonds, etc. So, in reality, the state can rely only on 3.5% of the GDP of their capital plus a part of the net annual profit, why only a part, but because the rest of the sums will be used to pay dividends to numerous shareholders and to modernize the production itself and its development - alas, remaining for some serious increase social programs and salaries will not have to be calculated; the state also has other quite costly areas.
        But then, when you provide a high standard of living and social benefits in the country. This can only ensure the growth of the country's economy, but alas, in the coming years it will be at the level of 3 - maximum 5%.
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  25. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 June 2021 09: 07
    +8
    Nobody will stop. To be a technician, without respect and without rights, is not for scientists. Serve stupid criminal faces ... are you kidding me ?! Sorry guys. There is nothing you can do about it.
  26. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 June 2021 09: 29
    +15
    I'm worried about Roman. No matter how a certain academician made me apologize to the scientific community and personally to the Best Friend of Russian Scientists.

    laughing
  27. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 8 June 2021 09: 33
    +13
    They will tinker a little with promises, then again they will come to "not let go" in one form or another. The bureaucrats have such a mentality.
    We have never been able to motivate normally, but the instruments of coercion of all kinds have always been very developed.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 June 2021 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We have never been able to motivate normally, but the instruments of coercion of all kinds have always been very developed.

      Well, I think you are still unfair)
      There were young scientists with fire behind diopter glasses, there was pure, refined scientific asceticism. You can consider me a hopeless romantic, but I love Aksyon's "Our Golden Piece of Iron"))
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 8 June 2021 11: 57
        +7
        Uh-huh. It was. In those infrequent moments when a super-centralized state needed the fruit of their labor as soon as possible. Then there was a green street, and financing, and the sale of dreams. In other moments, these people were very fond of torturing and humiliating - by bureaucracy, lack of demand, lack of understanding, complete impossibility to realize their potential and the potential of their ideas, often by denunciations and even torture.
        The intellectual freedom of such people was often very abruptly limited, the consistency of this problem was not understood - as a result, even the most politically indifferent people trod their paths to the west, where they subsequently brought profit.

        Those who stayed here were often unable to take their rightful place due to frankly subjective, supra-scientific factors.
        At the moment, a lot of this has been smoothed out, of course, something has kind of gone away. But what do we have to replace? A shrinking economy with a huge raw materials and processing sector - our aspirations and high-tech areas (and also salaries in these areas) are frankly lacking for the output of specialists that our country can provide. Legislation has not been able to break this trend for 30 years, as a result, we still have a strong scientific school for which there are simply no tasks within our country and its goal-setting. And where there are tasks, there is an unsatisfactory level of conditions and restrictions, relative to the global ones. And where there are often conditions, the administrative factor still often works.
        Private "sharashka" which in the West give rise to powerful start-ups or develop into successful giant companies, and which serve as a haven for talented people, but who have not found their niche in the budget field - we are under the vigilant vigil of "who follows", from time to time unleashing a banhammer on heads of their initiators or corny wringing out such startups in the interests of large monopolies.

        So I would like to have an optimistic view of all this - but no, not to scrape together ..
        And yes, I admit, there were some episodes. And it is often insanely sorry for such sparkling patriotic scientists when you realize how much of their effort was spent on the fight ..
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 June 2021 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          So I would like to have an optimistic view of all this - but no, not to scrape together ..

          Sad ...
          Therefore, I will answer in a tone that suits your mood:

          )))) hi
  28. Korsar4
    Korsar4 8 June 2021 09: 33
    +5
    The development of scientific and educational organizations very often revolves around the imitation of the execution of the May decrees.
    And if people continue to do something, it is in spite of, not thanks to. On the old leaven.
  29. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 June 2021 09: 34
    -28%
    Wow, how bad everything is, with vaccines bypassed everyone, in nuclear power ahead of the rest of the world, unexpectedly zircon is completing tests this year. Su 57 goes into military operation. Kaspersky is bent? Putin is to blame? If not for Putin, science would have died long ago. Figures for science from the budget. But they forgot the projects that are sponsored by private business, for the development of their production. Avangard, Sarmat and Peresvet forgot. Under the USSR, there was no such re-equipment. Well, well.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 11: 38
      +7
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Wow, how bad everything is, with vaccines they went around everyone,

      Ugums. The total number of vaccinations in the world has long exceeded 1.5 billion, and is already close to 2, and in Russia it is 30,5 million. What is it about the whole circle? For 100500 mullien circles. Why waste time on trifles?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 June 2021 11: 41
        -16%
        I was vaccinated free of charge, other non-believers resist, this is their business. Vaccination is voluntary. How many of the same Sputnik 5 have been sold, ask. And where is it allowed, number of people.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 11: 51
          +9
          Quote: tralflot1832
          . How many of the same Sputnik 5 have been sold, take an interest. And where is it allowed, number of population.

          By the end of May - 16 million. Against the background of the then total figure of 1.5 billion ... Statistical error.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 8 June 2021 12: 06
            -12%
            You forgot about buying the production of Sputnik 5 in other countries. And the numbers become completely different. Do not mislead, 800 million by the end of the year, it is not forgivable on your part. I don’t take anyone’s word for it until I check it out.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 8 June 2021 12: 48
              +10
              Quote: tralflot1832
              You forgot about buying Sputnik 5 production in other countries, and the numbers become completely different.

              On May 13, the production of the satellite abroad was exactly 0 units. it plans there is for the production of 1 billion doses in 2021. Explain the difference between the concepts produced and planned? If we fulfilled at least half of what was planned, then the whole ball would have died of envy towards us. laughing However, even 1 billion produced, even tomorrow, when the total number of not even produced, but used will exceed 2 billion, this is not "a circle ahead of everyone," but one of them. By the end of the year ... It will no longer be one of, but one of the outsiders.
              Track numbers, not pretentious cries of ORT announcers. yes
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 8 June 2021 12: 52
                -10%
                By the end of the year we'll see, ort look? I have long since given up the zomboy.
              2. d4rkmesa
                d4rkmesa 8 June 2021 21: 17
                +1
                Well, "they didn’t schmogli" to overpower production in a year in order to produce 100 million doses at once. This is a problem - in Russia everything is being built and adjusted more slowly.
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 8 June 2021 22: 47
              +3
              Quote: tralflot1832
              I don't take anyone's word for it until I check it out.

              You, for verification.
              The Ministry of Health did not rule out that after the "Sputnik V" vaccination with another drug will be needed
              It is possible that people vaccinated against covid with the Sputnik V vaccine will need revaccination after some time. already with another drug. But research is still underway, said the Deputy Minister of Health of the Russian Federation Oleg Gridnev at a meeting in the State Duma.
              Nobody in the world made such statements about changing the vaccine for revaccination.
      2. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 8 June 2021 15: 44
        0
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Ugums. The total number of vaccinations in the world has long exceeded 1.5 billion, and is already close to 2, and in Russia it is 30,5 million. What is it about the whole circle? For 100500 mullien circles. Why waste time on trifles?

        I know here who read the WHO, tell me why do you think that all vaccinations in the Russian Federation are Sputnik, and vaccinations in the world are not Sputniks?
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2021 18: 46
        -5
        "And in Russia there are 30,5 million." And this is to say thank you to all the Internet hackers about the vaccine with their theses "The state is poisoning us with vaccines" "All this is a scam" "There is no disease" "The vaccine is raw for this dangerous" That's the result, the population is in no hurry to get vaccinated.
  30. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 June 2021 09: 49
    -13%
    Dolgushkin Nikolai Kuzmich, a very interesting character. Scientific and Party careers went on at the same time. Signed a decree on the transfer of astronomical observations from the Pulkovo observatory to other regions, yielding to developers around the Pulkovo observatory. The communists are doing badly.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 June 2021 10: 51
      -15%
      Minuses you are not minus me, you minus the biography of N. Dolgushkin, the former secretary of the Komsomol of the Russian Academy of Sciences. People who have party cards of the Communist Party and who have sworn an oath of loyalty to its ideals have been ruining my country!
      1. tatra
        tatra 8 June 2021 11: 23
        -3
        Exactly, how can you, the enemies of the communists, create your own normal state, engage in the development of the country, take responsibility for the country and people, for your work, if you completely lack a sense of responsibility? All 30 years after your seizure of the USSR, you cowardly whine in chorus that you have nothing to do with what you did under Soviet power, and in your anti-Soviet / anti-communist Perestroika, and in 30 years after your seizure of the USSR? BUT at the same time all of you have "to do with" what you GOT at the expense of someone else's labor, at the expense of your country and people, because of which all of you and "now are better than in the USSR."
        1. Vasia
          Vasia 9 June 2021 04: 36
          +3
          Exactly, how can you, the enemies of the communists, create your own normal state, engage in the development of the country, take responsibility for the country and people, for your work, if you completely lack a sense of responsibility?

          I thought who you remind me of with your speeches, I remembered how I read your comments, I immediately recall the colorful image - a woman in a cap)

          With the help of the irrepressible activity of such people, the Union was destroyed. Although in essence, sometimes answer for a change, and do not push your thoughtless chants.
  31. Alanart
    Alanart 8 June 2021 10: 07
    -9
    Listen, this nonsense has already been sorted out 100 times. The numbers are left-handed and implausible. Why pull it out again?
    The only conclusion that follows from them is that the ranks of the RAS need a major purge. The governing body, that's right. If there are such characters sitting.
    By the way, before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Academy of Sciences of the USSR had about 300 full members of the Academy and about 600 corresponding members. The RAS now has more than 800 (!) Full members and more than 1000 cow members. Obviously, if the number of leading world-class scientists has grown and has become 2 times more than in the entire Union, then science is developing by leaps and bounds. It is so? ;)
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 June 2021 11: 09
      -8
      As it is, the article does not indicate how many of our RAS scientists are working in international projects, adequately representing Russia.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 June 2021 17: 49
      -1
      After the accession of the RAAS and AMS to the Academy of Sciences, academicians and corresponding members of these two former state academies of sciences (agricultural and medical) became academicians and corresponding members of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The Russian Academy of Education was not joined to the Russian Academy of Sciences, although it is also state-owned.
  32. 210ox
    210ox 8 June 2021 10: 07
    +12
    Roman, you are the one. Stop swinging the braces. And then stability, and that's all. There is nothing else.
  33. rudolff
    rudolff 8 June 2021 10: 59
    +14
    Our GDP growth has been below the world average for a long time. That is, the Russian economy does not even stagnate, it degrades relative to the rest of the world. The GDP growth of 6-10% could save the situation and save Russia, and the growth was due to an increase in the share of high-tech and science-intensive products, and not an increase in the volume of sales of raw materials. With such growth, it would be possible to proportionally increase spending on science, education, medicine, social services, the country's defense, etc. There would be confidence that we are really catching up with someone there and hope that not all is lost for Russia in the very distant future. In fact, the Kremlin's inmates are not only unable to ensure such growth, but sometimes one gets the impression that they are doing everything possible to prevent this from happening. We are rapidly becoming a third world country, albeit with nuclear technology. A unique, but completely disheartening phenomenon for us. If things go on like this, we won't have to be conquered. We ourselves will fall apart and scatter territories.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 8 June 2021 12: 54
      +8
      but why should they actually conquer us ... a rotten business and exorbitant expenses for them ...
      our ruler with his companions, and so through endless and hopeless "streams" with rapture and for a penny drives them everything and everyone from our bowels ... everything for sale ...
      what kind of science is there ??? ... who needs it ??? ... there are people in abundance here ... they still cannot eliminate poverty and retirement age ...
      ..
  34. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 8 June 2021 11: 13
    +2
    STALIN created, multiplied, created, and these are fleeing from RUSSIA, ugh, the swamp is rotten and rotten.
    1. Desperado
      Desperado 8 June 2021 11: 23
      +2
      You do not understand anything, recently Peskov said that the import and export of scientists to the Russian Federation is a normal world practice: "some scientists leave, some return." "This is such a bilateral process, it is absolutely normal, and there is nothing tragic in this situation," the presidential press secretary added. https://www.interfax.ru/russia/762675 ... crying
  35. Alsur
    Alsur 8 June 2021 11: 22
    -6
    A different view on this topic on the site of the new topru, the title of the article - "Outflow of scientists from Russia":
    https://new.topru.org/ottok-uchenyx-iz-rossii/
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 8 June 2021 13: 03
      +9
      I read the article you suggested. Honestly, my eyes are filled with blood to see the author's "ahahaha" in every paragraph. It seems that the article claims to be serious analytics, but it turns out a cross between a gum club with a kvn.
      Well, and the cherry on the cake, the author noted in the comments to his article with the following passage:
      And I think that there should be small salaries in science. In proportion to the benefits brought.

      Of course, in institutions like the Research Institute of Gamaleya or the Vector Center, salaries should be good - because the benefits from them are obvious. Moreover, this is a benefit specifically for Russia, and not for the ephemeral "humanity."

      But why high salaries, say, astronomers? What is the use of them, excuse me?

      Physicists in Sarov making atomic bombs are one thing. And a completely different matter - physicists who are engaged in some kind of theoretical crap, the results of which immediately become known to the whole world and do not bring Russia any advantage.

      Actually, after such nonsense, it would be nice to fence him off from a healthy society and science, in particular, by a fence with barbed wire. Better to send. Let him draw his analytics over the hill.
  36. BAI
    BAI 8 June 2021 11: 48
    +9
    But even the young President Vladimir Putin at the beginning of the 20s (yes, XNUMX years ago) talked a lot about the fact that we just need a high-tech economy.

    He said a lot of things.
    The electoral program of EP 2003 (which I also spoke about yesterday):
    In 15 years, by 2017, Russia will be the world's leading power. We will take a place worthy of Russia in the world economy and politics, the whole world will watch with admiration the development of the awakened Russian bear. Russia will have a developed transport infrastructure that is affordable for any citizen and makes any place in our vast Motherland easily accessible.

    Thanks to advanced energy technologies and new energy sources, Russia will develop new territories and resources, increasing its wealth. Due to the rapid growth of the economy, there will be more jobs than labor, the demand for labor will exceed supply, everyone will be able to realize themselves in the area in which they want. Every Russian will have an income worthy of a citizen of a great country. Thanks to the rapid growth of the economy, it will be possible to use in practice all the achievements of domestic science and it will be necessary to mobilize the entire intellectual potential of the country. A new level of technology development will ensure the safety of every citizen and the state as a whole. In a free country, everyone will be able to fulfill their educational, cultural and spiritual needs to the fullest.

    Our specific program is as follows. After winning the election in December 2003, immediately, in 2004, it will begin:

    - energy sector modernization program

    - mass construction of individual housing

    - program for the development of a new transport network in Russia

    - technological revolution in Russian agriculture

    - rapid growth in income of all categories of citizens

    As a result, already

    - In 2004, every resident of Russia will pay two times less for heat and electricity than now

    - In 2005, every citizen of Russia will receive his share of the use of Russia's natural resources

    - In 2006 everyone will have a job by profession

    - By 2008, each family will have their own comfortable housing worthy of the third millennium, regardless of today's income level

    - By 2008, Chechnya and the entire North Caucasus will become a tourist and resort "Mecca" of Russia

    - By 2010, the transport highway St. Petersburg-Anadyr, Tokyo-Vladivostok-Brest and others will be built

    - By 2017, Russia will be a leader in world politics and economics

    Will you say that this cannot be? This will! We - the United Russia party - will do it! For a thousand years Russia has been the main element of world politics and economics. Will you say that the country is in decline and it will never happen again? We have social forces ready to support the revival of Russia. We are on the verge of explosive growth of the national economy and we will take this step. In 15 years Russia will be the leader of the world economy and politics. And the whole world will look at it.

    Did the Russian bear sleep for a long time? We will wake him up. Is everyone waiting for the Russian Miracle? We will create it. Need a national idea? We have it. There are natural resources and territory in Russia, but is this not enough for the explosive development of the country and the decent welfare of all citizens? We have the main wealth - intelligence. We know how to turn it into a mass product, how to take advantage of the latest scientific discoveries, how to combine science and life. There are many outstanding scientists in Russia, many inventions and discoveries, but are they not in demand? We have the technology of introducing the latest discoveries. The development of only major projects in the field of energy, transport, communications, metallurgy, medicine, construction, and livelihoods will provide new jobs, an unprecedented in world practice explosive economic growth and welfare. Russian industry and agriculture are in decline, is Russia not competitive? We have new production technologies, new products and new resources. We are ready to fill new economic niches - both in Russia and abroad.

    Is Russia a cold country and does Russia have difficulties with energy? We have new sources of energy and advanced technologies for its production. We are ready to give the whole country and the whole world a lot of affordable and cheap energy. With the new energy, undeveloped territories and resources will become available to us. In Russia, the demographic crisis, the population is aging and people's health is deteriorating? We have new technologies in medicine, we will make them available to everyone. The growth of well-being, quality of life and medical care will give Russia a new healthy generation. Russia is a huge country and there are difficulties with transport and communications? We have new modes of transport. We will build and develop a new transport infrastructure. We have fundamentally new types of communication, unprecedented in quality and speed. We will create a new information environment in Russia, we will connect each with each. Housing difficulties in Russia, housing and communal services falling apart? We have technology of superfast buildings. We will build new cities with new infrastructure in which everyone will live with pleasure and safety.

    We have many new projects, inventions and ideas in Russia. There are at least 150 million of them. Whoever has at least one idea is our ally. Each idea is a new project in Russia. Each new project is a brick in the house of innovative Russia. Each vote for United Russia is an investment in Russia's future. United Russia ".


    Y-R-A-A-AAAA !!!!!
    Does anyone doubt our successes and the impracticability of the promises made by V. Putin and United Russia that joined him?
  37. Rostislav
    Rostislav 8 June 2021 12: 08
    +8
    Everything is correctly stated in the article, except
    That is, despite the huge reserves of everything (which is very actively sold), Russia as a whole is a rather poor country. And in a poor country there is usually no time for research.

    For 30 years they drag as much as they can, they cannot pull it apart. The Russians have long held the 1st place in terms of the value of real estate purchased in London, the Saudis have been driven into the shadows. And all are lamenting poor, poor ...
    The richest country, but without a king in the head.
  38. Jager
    Jager 8 June 2021 12: 14
    +14
    I myself work in a research institute. I dream of dumping. Let not abroad, but at least in commerce. For the degradation is complete. There are breakthrough projects that will only take off in the long term. But "above" the next leaders change and the prototype born in metal goes to rot under the fence.
    We could do better than Western designs. But there, "above" nobody needs it.
    It's a shame and bitterly how our enterprises are gradually giving way to foreign ones. And having conceded, they simply close or leave one workshop, they live on rent.
    Ugh !!!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 June 2021 18: 52
      -5
      "We could do better things than Western models. But up there, no one needs it." This should have been done in the USSR in the civilian sector - and now it’s already poignant, since all markets have long been divided between Western manufacturers. Russia remains to occupy only niches.
  39. Mihail55
    Mihail55 8 June 2021 12: 14
    +12
    I am at the lowest level of viewing scientific trends, i.e. at the not yet dead factory. Once there was a research institute, new machines and lines were constantly CREATED (I even had to work there). Today, the entire floor is occupied by a dance club (of course, not a bad thing ... but). The level of "projects" created by young designers today does not allow them to be assessed normatively. The state got rid of the shackles of the content of thinkers ... how it became EASY for them !!!! angry
    1. Desperado
      Desperado 8 June 2021 12: 34
      +2
      This is a stereotype of the 90s, the attitude of our government to science is reminiscent of one character from the cartoon "Flying Ship" - "Will you build? Buy." It turns out that not everything can be bought with petrodollars, and investments in science are always long-term and not always profitable. In addition, the funds that go to research are almost always spent "efficiently" ...
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  41. Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 June 2021 12: 29
    +6
    Explicit AntiPutinets wrote?

    After all, the government has already repeatedly explained that this is not the case.
    That there is more and more money for science. Much more arrives than leaves, there are only breakthroughs and peremogi and an unprecedented rise in salaries.

    And who wants more - let him go to Business. (Medvedev).
  42. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 12: 50
    +2
    Roman, well done!
  43. Alsur
    Alsur 8 June 2021 13: 07
    -2
    Quote: forty-eighth
    I read the article you suggested. Honestly, my eyes are filled with blood to see the author's "ahahaha" in every paragraph. It seems that the article claims to be serious analytics, but it turns out a cross between a gum club with a kvn.
    Well, and the cherry on the cake, the author noted in the comments to his article with the following passage:
    And I think that there should be small salaries in science. In proportion to the benefits brought.

    Of course, in institutions like the Research Institute of Gamaleya or the Vector Center, salaries should be good - because the benefits from them are obvious. Moreover, this is a benefit specifically for Russia, and not for the ephemeral "humanity."

    But why high salaries, say, astronomers? What is the use of them, excuse me?

    Physicists in Sarov making atomic bombs are one thing. And a completely different matter - physicists who are engaged in some kind of theoretical crap, the results of which immediately become known to the whole world and do not bring Russia any advantage.

    Actually, after such nonsense, it would be nice to fence him off from a healthy society and science, in particular, by a fence with barbed wire. Better to send. Let him draw his analytics over the hill.

    Well why, every opinion is valuable. In my opinion, so what. societies. And about haha, what's wrong with that, your arguments are so-so.
  44. A009
    A009 8 June 2021 13: 17
    -1
    As I understand it, no one ever checks the data, right? I started reading and got a little fucking crazy about the free interpretation of the data.
  45. Arctic
    Arctic 8 June 2021 13: 19
    +5
    Mr. President, I have 2 news: good and bad. Good - with the help of our support program, the number of scientists has increased fivefold ...
    - A bad one?
    -..... Leaving Russia.
  46. TochkaY
    TochkaY 8 June 2021 13: 19
    -6
    Choi I ​​have before my eyes an example of migrant workers from the former republics who have not advanced further than laborers and toilet washers. Somehow it turns out that the local aborigines are left to steer and command and occupy warm places. And the question is - do Russians go to Europe to be there at a lower social level, or do they think to squeeze the locals from higher levels? Why, it’s not working at home?
  47. place
    place 8 June 2021 13: 22
    +5
    “Unfortunately, the current leadership of the country is not quite clear about the consequences of tightening the screws. Moreover, all this is against the background of the complete degradation of the education system, culture (cinema alone is worth it) and the decline in morals.”

    Heh ... heh ... degradation and decline in morals is precisely the consequence of politics .... I have always been surprised by the confidence of many compatriots that they know who in the Government understands what, represents, thinks. Which of the figures in our History wanted what .... It would seem, how do you know something? In fact, this is "omniscience" - the simplest way to explain anything, and absolutely not understanding anything at all; "Why is this happening? But because these do not like these, and these think ... and these wanted it so, but these commercials ... but these do not understand ... "
    But as soon as we say goodbye to the notions of motives at the kindergarten level, we will have to understand that the big uncles in the Government perfectly understand everything, they are just as dependent on the West as in the days of the Russian Empire, which was ruled by the allegedly Romanovs "by the name of Holstein-Gottorp-Oldenburgskie.

    It was written by the poet A. Maikov;
    Mediocre few families
    By wealth and nods
    They own my homeland.
    Standing above all laws
    Wall stand around the king
    Like pugs greedy and angry
    And innocently saying:
    “After all, only we are Russia!”
    1856


    In an archaic and apolitical society, governed by only a few families, whose political resources are provided by their powerful foreign ties, nothing can be otherwise. How did Gorby and EBN start at the beginning of their careers? From the bells of Mrs Thatcher or to the "regional committee to Bush".
  48. digitalcn75
    digitalcn75 8 June 2021 14: 03
    +3
    Bravo, author.
    1. agond
      agond 8 June 2021 15: 21
      -4
      Science is full of all sorts of scientists, among them there were and still are charlatans and outspoken eyewitnesses with experience, of course all these opportunists are not stupid people, but they got into science for reasons of prestige, but mainly because of the desire not to serve in the army, not to engage in physical labor , and at the same time, many of them want to be authorities in the spotlight, although they do not want to bear any responsibility at all, among them there are those who believe that their homeland underestimated their contribution to science and they flow, but more often their students flow , and of course there are no Sikorskys or Zvorykins among this audience ...
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 8 June 2021 15: 40
        +7
        Leaving just the best illiquid assets abroad is not needed.
  49. Zotov Andrew
    Zotov Andrew 8 June 2021 14: 50
    -6
    The article is weak, it is more than correct to compare the potential of the USSR and the Russian Federation, the budgets of Brazil or anything else from the list with the Russian Federation, all the more so. I am much more interested in what is leaving, the "illiquid" of which was with a HUGE excess in the USSR. This makes it much easier for the country and the budget. PS If someone names me a displaced person who is "worthy" for the scientific community, perhaps there will be a subject for discussion.
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 8 June 2021 17: 48
      -1
      Quote: Zotov Andrey
      The article is weak, it is more than correct to compare the potential of the USSR and the Russian Federation, the budgets of Brazil or anything else from the list with the Russian Federation, all the more so. I am much more interested in what is leaving, the "illiquid" of which was with a HUGE excess in the USSR. This makes it much easier for the country and the budget. PS If someone names me a displaced person who is "worthy" for the scientific community, perhaps there will be a subject for discussion.

      Ok, Batygin.
  50. 1536
    1536 8 June 2021 15: 26
    +4
    Scientists go where they consider it possible to realize their ideas and developments. Consequently, in those countries where scientists go, there is an opportunity for this realization, conditions have been created: laboratories, scientific institutes, etc. In what areas? There are not so many of them: genetics, medicine, gerontology, biochemistry and biophysics, creation of new materials for industry, information systems in management, university education. This, of course, is not a complete list, but these are the main areas where new knowledge is required today, where scientists with breakthrough ideas are needed. Is it difficult to create genetic laboratories in Russia or give money to existing ones? How long will we buy equipment for medicine, make our own poorly? By 2050, Western scientists, for example, Ray Kurtswell, known for his work on Google, promise to achieve an extension of a person's life up to 120 years, in the future to give him immortality. Biochemical and biophysical research in the field of agriculture, medicine, environmental conservation, climate has not yet been declared "obscurantist sciences", and thanks for that. But "thank you" is not enough, investments, organization, implementation are needed. Only those who are not lazy do not speak about the absence in Russia of a serious element base for computer technology. It's hard to build factories all over the country that make chips. Probably difficult, but possible. Of course, warehouses of Chinese junk are more profitable, but not more promising. Are the management information systems still imported? Why does Oracle build huge buildings of its offices, but 1C or Kaspersky cannot afford it? Have universities turned into flower shop-like businesses? Maybe this is the problem?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 June 2021 19: 10
      0
      How long will we buy equipment for medicine, make our own poorly? They are already doing, but we have an open market economy, everyone buys what suits him, there is a choice of ours or a foreign last word for the client.
      Only those who are not lazy do not speak about the absence in Russia of a serious element base for computer technology. It's hard to build factories all over the country that make chips. Probably difficult, but possible. This is not profitable, the production will not pay off, and the price of the product will be high and the point above works in all areas, including this Angstrem T, the clearest example of this is that it worked a little and was bankrupt, as well as the production of polysilicon in Russia and the CIS, the prices in the world have fallen sharply and all these industries are bankrupt lithographic equipment in the world is produced by only three offices.
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 8 June 2021 19: 30
        +1
        It's hard to build factories all over the country that make chips.

        Chips are hard to create! Rogozin today:
        Rogozin's speech at the parliamentary hearing took place on the eve of a summit attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his American counterpart Joe Biden later this month in Geneva. Rogozin said Moscow is having difficulty launching some satellites due to US sanctions, which means Russia cannot import certain chips needed for its space program.
        «We have more than enough missiles, there is nothing to withdraw, - said Rogozin.His words were a rare admission by a senior Russian official that Western sanctions are seriously hampering the development of a particular industry. "There are spacecraft, practically assembled ... just one specific microcircuit is missing, [which cannot be purchased because of the sanctions]," he explained."
        1. ont65
          ont65 9 June 2021 09: 35
          0
          There are chips of the Space class, but ours, not the most advanced ones, with no documentation and debugging tools - the manufacturers (and there are five large pieces of them) do not have enough strength for this. Rogozin is aware, otherwise he would not have stuttered about the deployment of new satellite constellations. There will be satellites, but you will have to sweat a lot over them, and for no money. Do not take his speech as 'everything is lost', it was done on a specific occasion.
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 9 June 2021 15: 04
            0
            but ours, not the most advanced

            "Not the most advanced" will have to put in tens, so that they do what the "most advanced" does. And the extra dozens are unreliability (systems are duplicated 2-3 times!) And, most importantly, additional power supply.
            Do not take his performance as 'everything is lost', it was done on a specific occasion

            Rogozin's specific reason is here:
            (on years)
            https://twitter.com/i/status/1401896521310904323
            or here
            "Russia threatened to withdraw from the ISS project if the US does not lift sanctions"
            https://www.golosameriki.com/a/russia-threatens-to-withdraw-from-iss-unless-us-lifts-sanctions/5920583.html
            1. ont65
              ont65 9 June 2021 16: 22
              0
              You should not build far-reaching conclusions on your own guesses. Advancement is not solved anywhere by the shaft, and it is not complexity and nanometers for space electronics. There will be satellites, don't worry.
              1. eklmn
                eklmn 9 June 2021 16: 57
                +1
                You should not build far-reaching conclusions on your own guesses.

                These are not my "guesses", these are Russian facts today, voiced by Rogozin!
                Optimism, of course, should be, but without fanaticism ...!
                ... do not worry

                And I don’t think ...! wink
                1. ont65
                  ont65 9 June 2021 23: 43
                  0
                  Do not ascribe your conjectures to Rogozin either. In his report, he did not say a word either about the domestic technology, or about the difficulties with the transition, or about what he was going to do in the current situation. Are you a specialist in the REA for space purposes to discuss on a subject level? According to your statements, it is unlikely. And five kopecks off the couch is worth nothing.
                  1. eklmn
                    eklmn 10 June 2021 02: 17
                    0
                    Do not ascribe your conjectures to Rogozin either.

                    In the Russian media flashed, and then disappeared ...
                    Therefore, not a word in either VO or Reporter! Indeed - do not row against the current!
                    But this infa is here (eng):
                    "US: Lift sanctions on space sector or we'll exit space station"
                    https://news.yahoo.com/russia-u-lift-sanctions-space-153820549.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma
                    "Rogozin said Moscow was struggling to launch some of its satellites because of US sanctions which meant Russia could not import certain microchip sets needed for its space program.
                    "We have more than enough rockets but nothing to launch them with," Rogozin said, in a rare admission by a senior Russian official that Western sanctions are seriously impeding the development of a given industry.
                    "We have spacecraft that are nearly assembled but they lack one specific microchip set that we have no way of purchasing because of the sanctions."

                    Or here is a video with his words (Russian):
                    https://twitter.com/i/status/1401896521310904323

                    Or here is the text (Russian):
                    https://www.golosameriki.com/a/russia-threatens-to-withdraw-from-iss-unless-us-lifts-sanctions/5920583.html

                    You can just google:
                    "Rogozin on the lack of microcircuits"
                    3-4 days ago ... not all deleted yet !!!!