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Prior to that, the demand in the CIS was met by the Antonov company: the foreign press on the creation of the Russian Il-112V turboprop aircraft

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Prior to that, the demand in the CIS was met by the Antonov company: the foreign press on the creation of the Russian Il-112V turboprop aircraft

The new flights of the Il-112V military transport aircraft debunked the doubts of skeptics who expected the curtailment of work on this project. After the recent resumption of the flight test program, Russia is getting the opportunity to say goodbye to the Ukrainian aviation industry when manning its air force.


As noted in the Italian edition of Analisi Difesa, the two-year break was caused, first of all, by work on reducing the weight of the machine, improving avionics and not least the reconstruction of the runway at the VASO plant in Voronezh:

Built by order of the Ministry of Defense, the Il-112V can be called the first Russian military transport aircraft created from scratch in the post-Soviet period. The Il-112V was expected to make its first flight in 2006, but for various reasons the project was frozen and resumed only in 2013.

As indicated in the foreign press, Russia needs the Il-112V for at least two reasons. First, the domestic aviation the industry has not yet created turboprop aircraft on its own:

The demand for light turboprop transport aircraft in Russia and the CIS countries was met by the Ukrainian company Antonov. At the same time, during the construction of the Il-112V, only Russian components and systems are used.


Secondly, work on the Il-112V is closely related to the creation of the regional passenger aircraft Il-114-300, since both aircraft are equipped with new TV7-117ST turboprop engines, which reduce fuel consumption and increase their cruising speed.

The Il-112V light military transport aircraft was designed to transport personnel, equipment, light military equipment and other cargo with a maximum weight of 5 tons, having a larger cargo area than the An-26, which it is intended to replace. According to the manufacturer, the key advantage of the aircraft is the ability to operate the aircraft from unequipped airports and unpaved runways.
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  1. dauria
    dauria 31 May 2021 10: 50
    -34%
    "since both machines are equipped with new TV7-117ST turboprop engines"

    The engines are weak for such a wide fuselage. And the future of the car is in a fog. Not even average, but below mediocrity came out. Lord, in half a century to repeat the history of An-8 ... But then they walked along an unbeaten road, and the engines simply did not reach the promised power.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 31 May 2021 10: 54
      -1
      Quote: dauria
      ytavobals
      с


      Such garbage I had when I once wrote on the site the first post on one of the news. The site is subtle in this regard.
      1. For example
        For example 31 May 2021 10: 59
        -6
        The demand for light turboprop transport aircraft in Russia and the CIS countries was met by the Ukrainian company Antonov.


        How did she (the company) do this, if the Ukrainians did not build planes?
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 12: 07
          +6
          Quote: For example
          The demand for light turboprop transport aircraft in Russia and the CIS countries was met by the Ukrainian company Antonov.


          How did she (the company) do this, if the Ukrainians did not build planes?

          She built, but yes, not only independently, mainly in cooperation with Russian enterprises. And our Ministry of Defense preferred to finance and develop exactly An, to the detriment of Russian firms.
          And after 2014, China came to the CIS market with aircraft descendants of the old Soviet Ans.
          1. For example
            For example 31 May 2021 14: 30
            +4
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            She built, but yes, not only independently, mainly in cooperation with Russian


            Specifically, can you name the number of aircraft received by Russia from the state of Ukraine?
            1. Pavel57
              Pavel57 1 June 2021 12: 02
              0
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              what is the use of Ukraine in its current state?


              If you imagine a miracle that two aircraft industries will merge in cooperation, but does Russia need a Ukrainian aircraft industry?
              1. King3214
                King3214 5 June 2021 19: 47
                0
                If only for guaranteed destruction, without any possibility of recovery.
        2. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 1 June 2021 22: 47
          +2
          Quote: For example
          How did she (the company) do this, if the Ukrainians did not build planes?
          The AN 24, like the AN 26, was built in the Soviet Union, and not in Ukraine (!), Which is why these aircraft flew (like the ships of the "Smetlivoy" type, in the broad cooperation of the unified USSR), for 35-45 years without any special failures !!! It was an example of a well-oiled cooperation in the interests of a single state (!), And it makes sense to strive to recreate this even now !!!
          But unfortunately, so far, all the "blinded citizens" of the former republics of a single state, revel only in the fact that "the neighbors only got worse after secession" .... instead of using the example of the Union to unite the efforts of the industrial potential, which could lead to the reunification of our homeland ...
          And as a sample, the IL itself is 112V (in my opinion, not the most competent opinion), but inferior to the same AN ​​- 26, already because its landing gear is "compressed under the fuselage", not spaced under the wing motors, which, as it were, hints at the ability of the aircraft to capsize, during forced and emergency landings, say on the ground ...
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 2 June 2021 06: 00
            +1
            \ vladimir \ Please write according to the rules of the Russian language (on the outskirts). And what do you know about the terms of reference of the Ministry of Defense for this aircraft specifically, and not here in the west, a classmate is twice as large
          2. oprovergatel
            oprovergatel 4 June 2021 17: 00
            -1

            Is this what we need to strive for again?


            Or to this?

            Not. Thank you. Have already passed!

            When factories, factories, shipyards, ports, scientific research institutes were built on the outskirts (which are almost all right ... us, by the way!), And almost the entire RSFR was supplied according to the 4th category (this is when the dog meat is chopped together with the booth, " therefore, there is nothing to twist physics into planks and nails among the bones with veins ").

            And ask yourself the question, where did the funds come from to exceed consumption in 13 republics, if the opposite picture was observed only in two?
          3. King3214
            King3214 5 June 2021 19: 49
            0
            .... instead of using the example of the Union, ....

            In the Union, people were not burned alive in the squares. You somehow diligently forget about it.
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      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 31 May 2021 11: 00
        +9
        Kravchuk does not need airplanes. He will wave his hands and take off himself.

        Ish what have you thought of. Planes to build. Maidan is more important.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 31 May 2021 11: 11
        0
        Very simple - no orders = no construction = meeting demand.

        By the way, if we take the CIS, then everything is there according to availability. An is ill - well, let's buy An in China, even cheaper, with a new cabin and with a credit component wink .

        And for a small one we will buy the best in the world C295 - cheap, functional, effective. If that his engines are weaker than the Il-112V, while he is more lucky, further, because the wing and fuselage of the passenger section decides.


        If we take the register, then the last released cargo turboprop with a ramp = 3 An-32 for the Iraqi Air Force in 2012.

    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 31 May 2021 11: 08
      +9
      Quote: dauria
      Lord, in half a century repeat the history of An-8

      As you know, development follows a spiral. If you look at this spiral from above from above, it looks like walking in a circle, if from the side - ascending upward, progress.
      The fact that they returned to the concept of a medium 2-engine transport vehicle is natural, because there is a need for such a machine, since it is more expensive to attract heavier aircraft to solve its problems.
      As the An-8 was a milestone in the formation of transport aviation in the USSR, so was the Il-112 for the Russian one. New design solutions, new production technologies (composites, moreover completely import-substituted), modern avionics (also domestic), new engines, etc. are being tested.
      1. dauria
        dauria 31 May 2021 11: 22
        0
        As the An-8 was a milestone in the formation of transport aviation in the USSR, so was the Il-112 for the Russian one.

        This is not a styrofoam model that you can break over your knee and make a new one if it doesn't work out. Okay, the lowest link is young. But where was the general looking? Samples of foreign - at least fill up. His An-26 before his eyes. Yes, he is obliged to say "by touch" - the car will come out, or "guys, cut the wishlist". Either he was afraid to hack the truth, or really stupid. How did "it" go through all the design stages? Who benefits from this venture besides the bankers? They took their own interest from the sovereign's money.
        1. Jarilo
          Jarilo 31 May 2021 11: 48
          +1
          How did "it" go
          Everything is simple here - experienced, qualified personnel did not remain in the Ilyushin Design Bureau after a period of lack of orders and lack of money. In our city, the aircraft plant was completely destroyed, and a shopping center was built in its place. Maybe V.B. Khristenko. ask him to negotiate with the Americans on the supply of used military transports. He is an experienced person in this business, judging by the used Boeing and Airbus flying with us.
        2. yoshkovoleg
          yoshkovoleg 1 June 2021 17: 45
          -2
          Talikov was kicked out, stupid people like Leshenka Rogozin. Therefore - look, don't look ...
        3. Nikolai Redko
          Nikolai Redko 2 June 2021 20: 51
          +2
          I suspect that there is a huge mess and confusion at the Il company, as in the whole country. Therefore, there is nothing to be surprised at. Perhaps Talikov would not have become a "chief designer" under the USSR. And now this will do. The fact that he "drove" badly is a fact. A huge advantage! In the days of the USSR, for all the main ones at all planning meetings, the first question was the question of the weight of the structures. And then there is a feeling that it was left to chance. In general, Putin was clearly misled about the "imminent end of the tests." Two indistinct flights and what is this - all tests? !!! Set chef Manturov and Co.
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 31 May 2021 12: 36
      +9
      Quote: dauria
      The engines are weak for such a wide fuselage. And the future of the car is in a fog.

      "Teach" our designers what it is better for them to choose for different types of aircraft, since you are such a major "specialist" and work for Boeing or Airbus, judging by your "qualified" conclusion. Then tell us what the designers answered - it's interesting to know.
      In general, the creation of this aircraft is a huge leap forward in the restoration of our aviation industry, and most importantly, this aircraft will be in demand not only in the national economy, but also in law enforcement agencies. We can only rejoice at this success, although it happened with a delay, but the most important thing is that this aircraft is our domestic and its use from unpaved runways generally opens up wide prospects for it not only in our country.
      .
      1. dauria
        dauria 31 May 2021 13: 07
        -10%
        "Teach" our designers

        Life will teach the general when the firm goes bankrupt, and he will go to sell tomatoes. So at least in the whole normal world. Those that are smaller, would knock the rapids of Boeing and Airbus, proving that they are better than those that already work. Then the majority would also go "to trade in tomatoes."
        However, we have Russia. The days of obstinate, quarrelsome, strong-willed, but talented generals are over. In the price "what will you please, sir?"
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 31 May 2021 13: 14
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          Life will teach the general general when the company goes bankrupt, and he goes to sell tomatoes.

          Who told you that the state would allow an enterprise of this level to go bankrupt, if even AvtoVAZ is quietly working with us, despite the fierce competition in their segment of auto production? The personal fate of the General does not bother me too much - our country has not become impoverished in talents, they will find a replacement if he leads to bankruptcy.
          Quote: dauria
          However, we have Russia. The days of obstinate, quarrelsome, strong-willed, but talented generals are over. In the price "what will you please, sir?"

          Of course, of course, all of us are generals from the plow and they don't know their own worth, especially those who become academics or industry leaders. By the way, Rogozin's example just showed that a newcomer will never be able to control the minds of those who move progress in our country - we still have a value for personal merits.
          1. For example
            For example 31 May 2021 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            even if AvtoVAZ works quietly with us

            VAZ owns 67,61% - Renault (France) and 32,39% - Rostec (Russia) [

            What kind of cancer the interaction takes place is known only to officials.
            The state pays off, and Renault earns.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 31 May 2021 20: 31
              0
              Everyone makes money. And the interaction is there as in any other business. If the state knew how to manage such a business, it would take everything for itself. But it cannot do that by definition. And Renault was able and quite successfully does it.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 31 May 2021 20: 34
              +2
              Quote: For example
              The state pays off, and Renault earns.

              Firstly, the state gives guarantees for loans, and secondly, the enterprise gives rise to profits for two years, so thanks to foreign investors the plant was able to avoid complete bankruptcy, because our cars are not listed on world markets. What does not suit you in this situation? Or do you think someone will support us for free and compensate for the losses that have been accumulating over the years?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 May 2021 16: 27
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          The days of obstinate, quarrelsome, strong-willed, but talented generals are over. In the price "what will you please, sir?"

          Why a designer, if there are "omnipotent" top managers, journalists, economists.
        3. moody
          moody 31 May 2021 22: 54
          +1
          Life will teach the general general when the company goes bankrupt, and he goes to sell tomatoes.


          He will retire. He turned 75 last year. And I think he earned his pension in full.

          However, we have Russia. The days of obstinate, quarrelsome, strong-willed, but talented generals are over.


          The general is no longer a designer, but a director.

          "In May 2015, N. Talikov becomes the general designer of the Ilyushin company. With the arrival of Alexey Rogozin in PJSC AK named after S.V. Ilyushin in 2017 as the general director of the enterprise, the position held by Nikolai Dmitrievich, became known as the "chief designer". " https://www.zhukvesti.ru/articles/detail/8523/
      2. slipped
        slipped 31 May 2021 13: 10
        +8
        Quote: ccsr
        It remains to be glad of this success, although it happened with a delay, but the most important thing is that this plane is our domestic




        Rogozin Jr. released such a handsome man.
      3. JD1979
        JD1979 31 May 2021 21: 31
        -2
        Quote: ccsr
        "Teach" our designers what it is better for them to choose for different types of aircraft,

        And what is there to learn?))) Choice of 1 out of 1))) What is in the USSR, what is the problem of 3D in modern Russia as it was and remains))
    5. not main
      not main 31 May 2021 21: 48
      0
      Quote: dauria
      Lord, in half a century repeat the history of An-8.

      Maybe you are right. But you remember that after the work "on the mistakes of the An-8" we got the An-12, which is still in service!
      1. dauria
        dauria 31 May 2021 23: 10
        -2
        But you remember that after the work "on the errors of the An-8" we got the An-12

        So that's the trouble .. Antonov worked on the mistakes. And how. And it’s not his fault. He trampled the road, even borrowed the structure of the cargo floor from Bartini when he realized that it was well done. And the engine builders failed with the engines - they did not pull what was promised.
        And what about ours? They repeated one to one mistakes, they stepped on a rake, about which they broke their foreheads ... Now what to do with this "eroplan"? To start up in a series like this? To be guaranteed to remain without foreign markets, even in poor countries? Redo the glider? Or wait for more powerful engines and get a Spartan that nobody needs? Damn, yes, on this Il-112 it is good only to carry corn sticks or cotton wool - there is a lot of space, and the weight of the cargo is small.
        1. not main
          not main 1 June 2021 00: 26
          +2
          I understood you! It is possible that the Il-112 is not a masterpiece! But he is the firstborn! Personally, I hope that we will have other Ilys, which we will compare not with the An-8, but at least with the An-12! And An-26! That's for sure: "war air workers"!
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 1 June 2021 12: 07
            +3
            Quote: non-primary
            I understood you! It is possible that the Il-112 is not a masterpiece! But he is the firstborn!

            Many simply do not understand that at a certain stage it is necessary to stop and mass-produce what has turned out, otherwise we will forever get bogged down in improvements and modernization. Those who know how the industry works, what the timing is and why now it is necessary to stop there, he understands what is behind the release of this aircraft in the domestic industry. Therefore, one should rejoice at least for this, and new developments can be implemented already when creating another aircraft - this is the only way I see it, and not in any other way.
            Quote: non-primary
            Personally, I hope that we will have other Elas,

            Of course, they will appear in this class of aircraft, as it is in demand, and the created Il-112 will be the basis for this.
    6. Barberry25
      Barberry25 1 June 2021 00: 17
      +1
      will bring to mind .. they will hit a bump, but they will gain competence.
  2. Mouse
    Mouse 31 May 2021 11: 00
    +1
    Russia gets the opportunity to say goodbye to the Ukrainian aviation industry when manning its Air Force

    Goodbye we are parting forever ...?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 31 May 2021 11: 19
      +4
      What is the use of Ukraine in its current state? What are the prospects there? It's easier to demolish everything and rebuild it. What kind of aircraft has Ukraine built during the years of independence exactly serial, and not experimental for testing, and to whom did it sell for what amount?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 31 May 2021 16: 32
        +2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        And what is the use of Ukraine in its current state? What are the prospects there? Easier demolished everything

        Prospects? Only further decline.
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 1 June 2021 23: 04
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        What kind of aircraft has Ukraine built during the years of independence exactly serial, and not experimental for testing, and to whom did it sell for what amount?
        Well, if Ukraine and Russia would not be fooling around "by being pipiski", but were building together (as in the USSR) the same AN ​​48 or AN 74, then both countries would be in the black !!!
        And so, in addition to the blockade of the exit of such technologies to the external market due to the collusion of the EU countries and the United States, they themselves killed their own best practices, instead of their serial construction !!!
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 31 May 2021 11: 59
      +3
      Quote: Mouse
      Russia gets the opportunity to say goodbye to the Ukrainian aviation industry when manning its Air Force

      Goodbye we are parting forever ...?

      KB An has never been Ukrainian, but Soviet, so I see no reason for rejoicing. By the way, Antonov's transport aircraft probably set records most of all (in Soviet times).
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos 31 May 2021 17: 23
        -3
        Quote: lis-ik
        By the way, Antonov's transport aircraft probably set records most of all (in Soviet times).

        The aircraft of the Antonov Design Bureau have made more than 500 world records. 270 of them are Ruslan and Mriya.
        Moreover, Mriya continues to break records. She broke 106 records on her first flight. And in the Ukrainian time it also continues to break records. For example, April 14, 2020,
        The An-225 Mriya aircraft, which delivered medical supplies from China to Poland to fight the coronavirus, has recorded another world record.
        Mriya was loaded with about 100 tons of medicines, tests for laboratory analysis, medical masks and other protective equipment, with a total volume of about 1000 m3. "In the entire history of aviation, such a volume of cargo has never been transported inside the cargo compartment of an aircraft," the Ukrainian state-owned company noted.
        On Mriya's account, half of the company's records.
        She constantly holds records for the largest.
        In August 2004, a new record was set - Mriya transported two hundred and fifty tons of special equipment ordered by Zeromax GmbH from Prague to Tashkent with an intermediate landing in Samara.
        In August 2009, the aircraft was entered into the Guinness Book of Records for transporting the largest single-cargo ship in the history of aviation with a total weight of 187,6 tons. It was a 174-ton generator that was transported along with a special frame from Frankfurt, Germany to Yerevan for the new Armenian power plant.
        Thus, "Mriya" became the absolute world record holder in heavy weight - it has a record for the transportation of the maximum commercial cargo of 247 tons, the maximum commercial single cargo 187,6 tons and an absolute record for the carrying capacity of 253,8 tons.
        On June 10, 2010, the longest cargo in the history of air transportation was transported - two wind turbine blades, each 42,1 meters long. In November 2016 (see above) a record weight for South America was transported - a turbine generator in a special design with a total weight of 182 tons.
        And judging by the latest records, she still has them ahead ..
        Although she filled half of the records in the Soviet era in 1989. But the second half is already in Antonov Airlines in Ukrainian.
        1. grindz
          grindz 31 May 2021 18: 21
          +5
          Just what does this have to do with modern Ukraine. This plane took off in 1988. The question is, can Ukraine now build something similar? Over the past 6-7 years, not a single aircraft has been built, not even a corn plant. Almost all countries operate aircraft, but few can build them.
          1. Zufei
            Zufei 1 June 2021 08: 30
            0
            for example this
            1. Genry
              Genry 2 June 2021 02: 03
              +1
              Quote: Zufei
              for example this

              "This" prototype (without certification) with incorrect alignment - cannot fly without several tons of metal near the cockpit.
              It is now allegedly being reworked, while they do not yet know where to get a huge number of positions for components (previously from Russia) and at what price it will result.
              But the main stupidity is that such planes are produced by the European Union and does not know who to shove.
        2. oprovergatel
          oprovergatel 4 June 2021 17: 13
          0
          And what does "in Ukrainian time" have to do with it?

          The aircraft was developed, designed and built in the days of the USSR. He just remained in Kukarina's property.

          It's like buying some Papuan, say, a Mercedes, setting records on it and being proud of the “achievements” of Papuan because of this.
  3. prior
    prior 31 May 2021 11: 05
    -2
    It would be interesting to know the opinion of knowledgeable people:
    Is it possible to create an aircraft, in which the wings will be located not one above the other, like the AN-2 biplane, but one after the other? One behind the cockpit, the other in front of the tail section. The lift capacity of the two wings is twice as much, and the two wings can accommodate four engines. The carrying capacity will increase, the capacity of the tanks in the wings will also increase, and therefore the range.
    An American Chinook flies with two spaced propellers ?!
    Or did I eat something wrong?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 May 2021 11: 34
      +8
      Or did I eat something wrong?

      Of course you have to be more careful, or suddenly something. Just kidding. Two wings one after the other does not make sense: the rear wing will be in a swirling flow from the front one and it will be difficult to calculate its lift. If she ever will be there. Rather, the brake will work and the speed of the aircraft will approach the helicopter speed.
      Chinook's screws are spaced apart, of course, but they don't interfere with each other.
      Here, as if you want more lift, a large aspect ratio wing or a supercritical profile will help you. But the speed will not be very high either. In general, like the scales ... then increase, decrease there. The plane is all about compromises.
      1. prior
        prior 31 May 2021 11: 40
        +1
        Put the wings one under the fuselage, the other on the fuselage, conduct research with vortices, spread the engines at different distances from the hull ...
        Eh, I was underestimating in the circle of the House of Pioneers ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 May 2021 11: 43
          +7
          So you got a biplane right now ... well, a mutant biplane. With weight overload, an incomprehensible center of gravity and huge frontal resistance. This is not counting the complexity of the design.
          1. prior
            prior 31 May 2021 11: 44
            +4
            Create difficulties for ourselves, we know how ... wink
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 31 May 2021 11: 50
              +4
              To be fair, the wing-by-wing layout is generally used. Only here the front "wing" is not really for increasing lift, more for correcting the air flow and, so to speak, "steering". Su-34 as an example for you. But on the Su-35S they abandoned it, replacing it with a sharp, long influx.
              True, here, too, I am misrepresenting concepts: as if an integral triplane (Su-34) is no longer two wings and a fuselage.
              1. prior
                prior 31 May 2021 11: 55
                0
                I fantasized about the "truck". It is clear that the aerodynamics of each type of aircraft has its own questions. They are "blown", "blown", "pereduvayut" ..... until they are "blown" to the required level.
                1. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 12: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: prior
                  I fantasized

                  And such a scheme did not come to your fantasies for the first time.
                  I saw such pictures somewhere.
                  There was an experiment, even kind of in the gland.
                  Once I did not go into the series, it probably didn’t like it.
                  Aerodynamics is an exact science, and materials science also exists for a reason.
                  With significant advances, we may see such an aircraft.
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 31 May 2021 14: 29
          +2
          Quote: prior
          Put the wings one under the fuselage, the other on the fuselage, conduct research with vortices, spread the engines at different distances from the hull ...


          QAC Quickie Q2

          And this is the Su-80, the same with a wing, but it is more for rigidity than for lift
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    3. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 1 June 2021 13: 05
      +1
      This is called a "tandem wing".
  4. Normal ok
    Normal ok 31 May 2021 11: 07
    -5
    purely stream of consciousness.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 31 May 2021 11: 14
      -7
      Yesterday unanimously expressed skepticism to the first serial Anu ...
      Today, no less amicably we sing the praises of the first experienced Ilu.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 31 May 2021 11: 17
        -5
        I would be glad if he went to heaven. but the plane is flawed
      2. BABAY22
        BABAY22 31 May 2021 11: 23
        +11
        You, comrade, do not forget that their spies are vile, while ours are valiant scouts.
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 31 May 2021 17: 32
          -1
          Quote: BABAY22
          do not forget

          but this is a typical use of imprinting, and it only works for young people and without globalism

          adults with the Internet, in theory, should not fall under it. And to divide soberly - ours is a priori good, and the enemy is always a priori bad.
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 1 June 2021 23: 16
            -1
            Quote: Black Lotos
            but this is a typical use of imprinting, and it only works for young people and without globalism

            I liked your picture (!). Worthy !!
  5. Borz
    Borz 31 May 2021 11: 21
    +1
    Quote: For example
    The demand for light turboprop transport aircraft in Russia and the CIS countries was met by the Ukrainian company Antonov.


    How did she (the company) do this, if the Ukrainians did not build planes?


    It's hard to disagree. The so-called "Ukrainian aircraft industry" is nothing more than a part of the Soviet aircraft industry. The point is in the localization of production. Components were produced by dozens of enterprises from all over the Union.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 31 May 2021 11: 51
      0
      Nowadays, 2/3 of An-178 components are being designed and produced in the West.

      SE "Antonov" (part of the SC "Ukroboronprom") signed a contract with US Cargo Systems from the United States to carry out development work on the topic: "Development of technical requirements for the system of loading, unloading and airborne cargo airborne An-178-100R" , the Ukrainian portal Defense Express notes.

      It should be noted that US Cargo Systems has been developing and manufacturing various systems for military aircraft and helicopters for 40 years. This American company has created solutions for the transport companies Airbus A400M Atlas, Kawasaki C-2, Alenia C-27J Spartan and Lockheed C-130 Hercules.

      The contract between the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturer and US Cargo Systems was signed on December 24, 2020. However, the information became available to the public only on January 19, 2021, when it was published on the ProZorro public procurement site.

      According to the document, the cost of the work is $ 350 thousand, the term for the development work is 150 calendar days.



      ... according to Ukrainian commentators, Antonov State Enterprise has signed in complete inability to create the aforementioned aircraft without cooperation with other countries. The publicized "import substitution" turned out to be only a replacement of Russian developments with American ones, and there were no new Ukrainian ones.

      https://topcor.ru/18316-antonov-raspisalsja-v-nesposobnosti-postroit-pervyj-an-178.html


      ... TSAMTO, February 12. The director of the An-148/158/178 program, Viktor Kazurov, announced that the prototype and the only copy of the An-178 aircraft at the moment, after replacing all Russian-made components, will make its first flight no earlier than 2022, and certification should be completed by the end of 2023.

      As Defensa.com reports with reference to the report of the 5th channel of Ukrainian television on February 5, the acting director of the Antonov State Enterprise Sergei Bychkov said, referring to the issue of fulfilling the contract for the supply of An-178 for the National Police of Peru, that at the moment the enterprise "I have not yet received a penny for this aircraft, so I gave the order to deliver the first produced An-178 aircraft to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine."

      https://vpk.name/news/485251_mvd_peru_poluchit_vts_an-178_ne_ranee_2024_goda.html


      In his speech, the head of the enterprise noted that working since 2014 in the context of reorientation to new cooperative schemes and the search for new markets, until today the Antonov State Enterprise is completing the redesign of only the An-178 medium transport aircraft.

      “The plane that took off in 2015 had a different configuration, a third of which were Ukrainian components, a third were Russian, and a third were Western. We have lost the Russian component and replaced it with domestic and Western counterparts. The updated An-178 will become the first An-aircraft in a new configuration without Russian equipment, which will have a type certificate, "he stressed.


      At the same time A. Los expressed hope for the support of the ministry and personally the vice prime minister in the regulation of the policy of international partnership and cooperation. “In particular, in the modern version of the An-178, almost two-thirds of the equipment of the aircraft is made in the United States with the corresponding export restrictions. Each item must obtain a US export license as a dual-use product. This is a rather difficult problem, since it concerns not only the acquisition process, but also certification and delivery of aircraft to certain markets, "he explained.

      https://avianews.info/an-178-uspeshno-importozameshhyon-vmesto-treti-rossijskih-komplektuyushhih-na-nyom-dve-treti-amerikanskih/
      1. Borz
        Borz 31 May 2021 13: 16
        +1
        I'm talking about the past, not about the present. "Produced" is the past time, according to the rules of the Russian language.
      2. oprovergatel
        oprovergatel 4 June 2021 17: 20
        0
        But I wonder how much these 2/3 components produced in the USA will COST. And how this will affect the final PRICE of the pepelats. And who will need it at such a price?
  6. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 31 May 2021 11: 29
    -1
    The Il 112 is not even outwardly beautiful. As Tupolev said, a beautiful plane cannot fly badly, and this Il is a confirmation of the words. By the way, what is wrong with the An 72/74? After all, they released a couple of cars in Omsk. And as for copyright, change the name and let them prove it. China this is in full swing.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 12: 22
      +1
      Quote: Alex aircraft
      By the way, what's wrong with An 72/74

      Yes, the same thing that the original version of An178 is bad for non-brothers - cooperation between Ukraine and Russia.
      In fact, we would have to do the same, replace all Ukrainian components with ours and Chinese / French / Canadian / American ... i.e. make a new plane.
      It could be more correct than sculpting a "hunchback". But there is already politics, both international and competition between firms.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 1 June 2021 00: 18
      0
      laughing here it is directly felt that you are a little far from the industry
  7. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 31 May 2021 12: 20
    +3
    IL-112V looks good, modern.
    Leave Hayat this car. Not where devatsa, just fitted to the requirements of performance characteristics.
    And leave the Chinese surrogati to others.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 May 2021 16: 16
    0
    The question can be posed differently: Who created the demand for such equipment in the CIS?
  9. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 31 May 2021 17: 14
    +2
    All ... Probably the pipe of the Antonov Design Bureau. If the changes do not take place dramatically. And to be honest, the design bureau is not Ukrainian but Soviet. Everything that was done there after the collapse of Soviet developments
    1. not main
      not main 1 June 2021 00: 41
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Aviator
      All ... Probably the pipe of the Antonov Design Bureau. If the changes do not take place dramatically. And to be honest, the design bureau is not Ukrainian but Soviet. Everything that was done there after the collapse of Soviet developments

      Yes, not probably, but just a PIPE! It's a pity! What kind of aircraft were created! Until now, our enemies, excuse the "partners", cannot even come up!
  10. faiver
    faiver 1 June 2021 09: 18
    0
    According to the manufacturer, the key advantage of the aircraft is the ability to operate the aircraft from unequipped airports and unpaved runways.
    - even if they are not disgraced, this is like a statement that the Volga flows into the Caspian Sea, we have all mass transporters were built taking into account the operation of the car from unequipped airports and unpaved runways, Ruslan inclusive
  11. wow
    wow 1 June 2021 12: 55
    +1
    It is necessary to forget about yukrain as about a nightmare (the hi will choke in his feces) !!! We developed it ourselves and did it ourselves! And only this way and not how else !!!
  12. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 1 June 2021 21: 36
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    Quote: dauria
    Lord, in half a century to repeat the history of An-8 ... But then they walked along an unbeaten road, and the engines simply did not reach the promised power.


    Bravo, Mr. Expert. What a pity that you are not on the team of people who created this plane. You are undoubtedly smarter than them))))
  13. Zufei
    Zufei 2 June 2021 06: 22
    0
    Quote: Genry
    Quote: Zufei
    for example this

    "This" prototype (without certification) with incorrect alignment - cannot fly without several tons of metal near the cockpit.

    This is the answer to the above post that nothing can be done by a flying person. How can you sell an aircraft without a certificate of airworthiness?
  14. shinobi
    shinobi 2 June 2021 13: 54
    0
    The Il-112 will replace the An-12, why argue in vain. There is a need for cars of this class and that would not depend on anyone, sanctions and so on, they filed their own. Repetition, mother of the doctrine. Better or worse imported, it does not matter. The main thing is and his own.
  15. Sergey Z.
    Sergey Z. 2 June 2021 17: 49
    0
    Even here there are plenty of demagogues.
  16. Arkady007
    Arkady007 2 June 2021 22: 15
    0
    It's bad when no one is responsible for the collapse of an entire branch of the aircraft industry.
    Creating an airplane from scratch is certainly an achievement, but for a country like Russia, creating an airplane with such characteristics in the XNUMXst century is a shame.