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The fate of the "partisan" Protasevich

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The fate of the "partisan" Protasevich

Perpetrator # ...



So, the "bird" was in the cage. The arrest of the former editor-in-chief of the Nexta Telegram channel Roman Protasevich is not only the capture of a state criminal, as the Belarusian authorities designate him.

After this event, apparently, all flirting with nationalists in the country finally ended. And now Alexander Lukashenko is faced with a new question - what ideological paradigm should be used to renew the state?

May XNUMX is a day that turned the life of not only individuals, but, perhaps, the whole country. It was not a young man with innocent eyes, a romance of change, an independent journalist and blogger who was “landed” in Minsk.

The personality of Roman Protasevich turned out to be somewhat more complicated, so to speak, with a double bottom. And this circumstance quickly cooled the zeal of the admirers of democratic freedoms, especially in Russia, to protect and cry about the bitter fate of the “slave” who found himself in the tenacious hands of the “Belarusian tyrant”.


After the arrest of Protasevich, the President of the Republic of Belarus drew special attention to information about his belonging to the Ukrainian nationalist battalion "Azov", which is banned in Russia:

] “He has great experience as a mercenary. These facts are known not only in our country and in fraternal Russia, but throughout the world. And he especially did not hide it. Actually, here, in Belarus, he and his accomplices were also going to arrange a massacre and a bloody rebellion. "

The KGB of Belarus claims that Protasevich, as a mercenary, participated in hostilities in the Donbass. As the head of the department Ivan Tertel said,

"It is undeniable that this person fully complies with the definition of a terrorist, a fighter-mercenary, a participant in the bloody events in the infamous Azov battalion, associated with the atrocities and deaths of civilians in southeastern Ukraine."

The chief security officer added that Roman Protasevich actively applied his experience in Belarus:

"Was the organizer and coordinator of mass riots that endangered the life and health of ordinary citizens and law enforcement officers."

Pro-government Belarusian publics have already circulated photographs in which a person similar to Roman Protasevich is captured in Ukrainian military camouflage and with weapons.

Pen or machine gun?


However, all sorts of "supposedly" and proposals can be discarded. Protasevich himself did not previously deny that he traveled to a hot spot, but worked there as a freelance journalist. Then the former commander of Azov, Andrey Biletsky, appeared, who on the website of Ukrainska Pravda began to whitewash the "master of the pen"

“Roman really, together with Azov and other military units, fought against the occupation of Ukraine. He was with us in Shirokino, where he was wounded. But his weapon as a journalist was not a machine gun, but a word. "


But was it really so? Firstly, if Protasevich had positioned himself only as a journalist, then the pictures would have been completely different. For example, he records an interview with some military person on a dictaphone or sits in a trench and scribbles a hot note into a number.

Secondly, the aforementioned battalion with the letter "A" is a well-known ideological forge of cadres, terrible cadres, aimed at destroying, as they themselves say, "vatniks" and "Colorado".

Thirdly, the protracted stay of this journalist at the forefront of the Donbass. Usually correspondents come, make a series of materials and back to the editorial office. But Roman was in no hurry - he absorbed and enjoyed.

And let's not discount youthful maximalism. It is unlikely that the "comrade" refused the offer to pull the trigger at the machine gun / assault rifle on the front line. It tickles your nerves so much.

Finally, Protasevich himself spoke about his combat experience in an interview with such an odious publication as Nasha Niva. In it - about his first fight, receiving a shrapnel wound to the chest (saved by a bulletproof vest) and shell shock, and also about the "scoop", the red abyss and Putin's horde, etc.

Brain nationalism


Some media outlets have already promoted Roman Protasevich almost to the level of "Minister of War" and "Head of Intelligence" of the opposition movement, which launched mass protests last autumn in Belarus.

And the Belarusian channel STV reported that Protasevich in Ukraine underwent a special training course, rose to the rank of lieutenant of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs and deputy commander of communications at the company level.

But all this looks somewhat dubious. But the fact that this person was in good standing with the Ukrainian Natsiks and returned to Belarus with a corresponding ideological "chip" - you can be sure of this. But as they say, one in the field is not a warrior.

The key question now is whether Ukraine has become a training ground for mass training of Belarusian militants to be thrown into the position of Alexander Lukashenko's regime. Fortunately, she didn't.

In the square, repeated attempts were made to call on the Belarusians to a holy war with the "Russian world". In the midst of hostilities in Donbass (2014-2016), some "thugs" from Belarus reached out to fight in the ATO zone.

But according to information from various sources, there are not many people wishing to lay down their heads in the Ukrainian black soil. Initially, the Nazis planned to form a detachment "Pagonya" and even "Belarusian hundred". But people were sorely lacking. It was not possible to create even a small “Belarusian front”.


As a result, the “Tactic Group“ Belarus ”(TGB) appeared, which was engaged primarily in the propaganda of Ukrainian values. For the mass character, the group even had to pull up ethnic Belarusians - citizens of Ukraine. Moreover, a dozen syabras remained in the composition of the national battalions, such as the OUN, Donbass (* extremist organizations banned in the Russian Federation) and the aforementioned Azov *.

What is the number of Belarusian citizens who participated in the hostilities in Donbass on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? We take the data used by the Belsat publication. According to him, 2014-2018 people fought on the side of Ukraine from 200 to 250.

Moreover, a very interesting statement was made several years ago by the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus Igor Shunevich. According to him, for one Belarusian who fought on the side of Ukraine, there were three Belarusians who chose the side of the LPNR. This formula, by the way, quite accurately defines the attitude of the Belarusian society to the war in Donbass.

A threefold advantage turns the fighters against the "Russian world" into renegades not shaking hands. Finally, they were also largely demoralized in that war. As various commentators noted, they had to use encryption in every possible way, fearing that they would be extradited to the Belarusian KGB. And this noticeably weakened the fighting spirit.

Are the flirting over?


The shock that the Belarusian state experienced during last year's mass protests forced the Belarusian authorities to reconsider many values. It became clear that flirting with nationalists, the "litvinization" of society is a time bomb of slow but inexorable action.

Let the number of fierce opponents of the "Russian world" in Belarus be small. But this is an active minority, which, as experience shows, is ready to act and take the reins of government into their own hands.

The worst thing for Lukashenka turned out to be that the neophile nationalists chose the state system, which can hardly be called pro-Russian, as the target of their attack. And most importantly, new symbols, ideological attitudes began to spread rapidly among the youth, which simply needed to do something in defiance of the older generation. As they say, the soul requires change.

Therefore, that freeman, who was recently in Belarus, is definitely a thing of the past. It is worth recalling that already in Minsk, actions were initiated to collect aid to combat the "Russian aggression". Such an action as "Help the Belarusian soldier in the ATO" was carried out jointly by the "Young Front" and the Belarusian Popular Front (BPF).

After the national team match in Lviv, Belarusian fans donated blood for the wounded in the ATO. And Gomel volunteers even developed a “humanitarian route“ Belarus - ATO ”and sent a reanimobile to the combat zone. And for some reason they did not have any problems on the Belarusian border.

Now such “games” are unambiguously unacceptable for Lukashenka. The demonstrative arrest of Roman Protasevich and the emphasis on his Ukrainian past is a signal for tough actions against nationalists, and first of all, those with Ukrainian support.

Apparently, all participants in hostilities on the side of Ukraine will fall under the close control of law enforcement agencies. Yes, and earlier the Belarusian special services reacted to the direct participants of the ATO. They were threatened with prosecution under articles of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus (recruitment and mercenary activity). And some Natsiks "flew" under these articles.

But from now on, it will turn into a systematic work - the situation requires an appropriate response to the threat. However, in addition to punitive actions, Old Man has to answer one more pressing question - on what ideological paradigm should the state be renewed now?

It will not be possible to rush into the arms of the "Russian world" in haste. 30 years of the existence of independent Belarus were not in vain. Putting a Belarusian ship in a bay called "neither ours, nor yours" is also not an option. Unfortunately, the Lukashenka regime has let the youth go.

She is no longer interested in the values ​​of the generation that grew up under socialism. Young people want a new product, and preferably in colorful packaging. But Alexander Grigorievich has nothing to offer yet. And this is the cornerstone of the problems that have arisen in the Belarusian society.
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  1. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 31 May 2021 05: 05
    +28
    Protasevich participated in the hostilities in Donbass as a mercenary
    Apply the first part of Article 361 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus, as was done in the Brest Regional Court, when he sentenced the Donbass militia member Vadim Shevchenko (call sign Veterok) to two years in a general regime colony, which then angered many to the core.
    1. Finches
      Finches 31 May 2021 06: 04
      +16
      Protasevich, this is the tip of the iceberg, but perhaps for some of his peers it will be a lesson that you have to pay for your actions! Maybe Protasevich himself after serving 15 years (which I very much doubt) will regret that he suffered nonsense for Western gingerbreads! The further development of events is interesting - I personally clearly understand that Belarus, while it poses as an independent state, will not be left alone and others will come to replace this clown! There is no need to indulge oneself with illusions that Europe needs a prosperous and independent Belarus! Not! Resources and free labor! Yes! Therefore, how not twist the way out to preserve your identity, national identity, honor and dignity, one - reunification with Russia! There is no third!
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 31 May 2021 06: 58
        +14
        Protasevich, this is the tip of the iceberg

        That's right ... the director of BELAVIA confessed his love for Lvov ... and from this it becomes clear his desire not to fly to Crimea.
        Recognition (or rather non-recognition) of Crimea by the leadership of Belarus as a litmus test shows their true attitude towards Russia ... heh heh
        friendship is friendship and tobacco apart.
        1. Civil
          Civil 31 May 2021 09: 10
          +4
          Lukashenka will agree to unite with Russia only in one case - if he will be the President of the united state.
          1. yuratanja1950
            yuratanja1950 31 May 2021 13: 22
            +12
            Quote: Civil
            Lukashenka will agree to unite with Russia only in one case - if he will be the President of the united state.


            Hmm .. So who will give him? ... lol
            PS Or maybe he is planning his Kolya for this place, for that he brought him to Putin for the bride?

            But in general, there is no time for jokes ... Belarus is the last bastion of the post-Soviet world, on which you can somehow still rely, hope for something, and then with great caution ...
            A - it's a pity ... How much I knew Syabrs in life - all the great guys are men ...
            And what about the fact that young people slept in Belarus ... So what is wrong with us ??? Some of them are worth ...
            It is necessary that the government think about demography not in the direction of increasing the birth rate of stupid slaves, but in the direction of increasing the birth rate of citizens of a great country ... And this is a huge difference ...

            PPS By the way ... In China, families were allowed to give birth to a third child ... There is something to think about not only for Russia's neighbor, but for the whole world ...
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 14
              +5
              Quote: yuratanja1950
              And what about the fact that young people slept in Belarus ... So what is wrong with us ??? Some of them are worth ...

              And it never occurred to you that the bulkheads and other zmagars are not the result of someone oversleeping there, but a completely inevitable phenomenon, the continuation of the processes that began with the events of 1991. That their appearance was simply inevitable in the current socio-economic system?
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 31 May 2021 16: 03
                +8
                That their appearance was simply inevitable in the current socio-economic system?

                This category of young people is the same everywhere, both in our country, in the West, and overseas. They live in their own world, which is defined by the Internet. And there it is customary to talk about all the good, keeping silent about the bad. And they are not yet capable of realistically assessing the situation around them.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 16: 30
                  +3
                  The point here is not in the categories of youth, but in the current situation, when the emergence of supporters of the bulk is simply inevitable.
                  1. Alexga
                    Alexga 31 May 2021 16: 45
                    +4
                    I cannot agree with you. In Belarus, not quite capitalism, similar to Russian capitalism. Here, private capital was created from scratch, and not by plundering state property. And the youth are the same. Most likely, the lack of a state Idea creates problems in working with youth. They tried to bet on religion, but they immediately lost to Islam. Well, stuff like that.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 17: 10
                      +7
                      Quote: AlexGa
                      In Belarus, not quite capitalism, similar to Russian capitalism.

                      What's the difference? Both there and there are essentially the same thing. Active youth, brought up on capitalist values, is striving for power. And here and there, the government does not give young people the opportunity to realize their potential. The government is thoroughly corrupt. And naturally, there are those who are in bulk who say that we will throw off this power and immediately begin to build correct capitalism. These old corrupt people prevent us from making our life better. And in fact they are partly right these bulk. But their main postulate is false. No proper capitalism exists.
              2. Aag
                Aag 31 May 2021 18: 08
                +3
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Quote: yuratanja1950
                And what about the fact that young people slept in Belarus ... So what is wrong with us ??? Some of them are worth ...

                And it never occurred to you that the bulkheads and other zmagars are not the result of someone oversleeping there, but a completely inevitable phenomenon, the continuation of the processes that began with the events of 1991. That their appearance was simply inevitable in the current socio-economic system?

                I just wanted to comment on the article, I think it's better for you ...
                Most of all from the article, the last paragraph "hooked": "The values ​​of the generation that grew up under socialism are no longer of interest to her. Young people want a new product, and preferably in a colorful package. But Alexander Grigorievich has nothing to offer so far. And this is the cornerstone of the problems that arose in Belarusian society. "
                IS IT ONLY IN BELARUSSK? BUT WE DO NOT HAVE IT? Latent, but everything is the same. Am I wrong?
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 31 May 2021 14: 47
              +5
              When the rule "one family - one child" was abolished, the birth rate did not increase anyway, but has been steadily declining over the past five years. According to the National Bureau of Statistics, 2019 million children were born in China in 14,65, 2018 million in 15,23, 2017 million in 17,23, and 2016 million in 17,86. https: //www.interfax .ru / world / 750024 And this is with a population of 1 billion. 400 million! So the permission to have three children will not lead to special results. The overwhelming majority of young Chinese, especially Han Chinese, do not want to have large families. If there is growth, it will be among the Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongols, etc. Well, not 14 million will even be born, but 17-20 million, this will not lead to a radical change in the age pyramid of the population, to a decrease in the proportion of old people in the PRC. By the way, the PRC authorities themselves believe that the country's population limit is 1,5-1,6 billion. Therefore, the authorities set the task not to increase the population, but to prevent its decline. They want to reduce the increase in the percentage of elderly people in order to avoid an excessive burden on the social system, and they also have to raise the retirement age in the near future. With current trends by the end of the 20s. the population of the PRC will begin to decline, and india will come out on top in the world, which, by the way, has a three times smaller territory. True, in India, especially in the southern states, the birth rate is beginning to decline. By the way, in Muslim Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, the birth rate has dropped sharply over the past 20-30 years. And life expectancy has increased. Because of this, the burden on the social sphere of these states has increased.
              1. mmaxx
                mmaxx 31 May 2021 15: 12
                +3
                They were allowed to have children there. But! Kindergartens are very expensive. It is expensive to study in a good school. One person in the family works purely for the child. With all this, corruption is rampant in China. And don't talk about executions. She is. Within certain limits.
                Then, living standards rise. Which are not cheap. According to Chinese standards, parents should provide their son with housing. He needs to get married, and so on. They say: the parents of the son work, the parents of the daughter are resting.
                This is from familiar Chinese.
            3. Kisa
              Kisa 31 May 2021 16: 27
              +4
              Quote: yuratanja1950
              Or maybe he plans his Kolya

              used to laugh, but now we can really here he is the hope and support of Nicholas III from yesterday's photo to the press
            4. nickname7
              nickname7 3 June 2021 13: 29
              0
              Belarus - the last bastion of the post-Soviet world


              There is a conspiracy theory that the Russian Federation is not a state, but a joint-stock company AOO Resource Federation. The oligarchs and Lukashenka are the shareholders. The task of the AEO of the Russian Federation is the sale of resources and the withdrawal of money into the pocket of the beneficiaries. In addition to the sale of timber, ore, oil, oligakhs own electric grids, heating grids, water utilities through which they pump money out of Russians.
              Oligarchs do not live in the Russian Federation, so they pay scanty salaries and spoil the environment.
        2. Alexga
          Alexga 31 May 2021 15: 57
          +1
          That's right ... the director of BELAVIA confessed his love for Lvov ... and from this it becomes clear his desire not to fly to Crimea.
          Recognition (or rather non-recognition) of Crimea by the leadership of Belarus as a litmus test shows their true attitude towards Russia ... heh heh
          friendship is friendship and tobacco apart.

          Let me disagree with you. Probably you did not listen to the speech of the heads of Belavia, but he specifically named 2 reasons for refusing flights to Crimea, the first is that there is no political decision of the state, and the second is that flights around the territory of Ukraine due to the increase in distance make this flight absolutely not cost effective. As for the second part of your words, you probably do not know that even now your state structures are carrying out US economic sanctions against state-owned enterprises in Belarus. I mean the termination of oil supplies to Naftan, and this threatens to stop production lines, after which the refinery can be dismantled for scrap. I'm talking about Rosneft and others. I'm talking about tobacco. So, Lukashenka is a prudent leader of the country.
        3. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 31 May 2021 16: 51
          +3
          friendship is friendship and tobacco apart.
          You shouldn't rely on friendship in politics. As history shows, those who were sincerely friends were always set up by these same "friends". Politics requires pragmatism and strength. Yes, and crazy, too, there is nothing to do. And do not forget, CAPITALISM is in the yard. And the Belarusian oligarchs do not want to see the businesses of Russian oligarchs on their territory at all. And power serves the interests of the ruling class.
        4. Kaman
          Kaman 1 June 2021 11: 41
          -4
          And the fate of Protasevich reminds me of Ernst Thalmann. Luka is not shaking hands and will not be able to fulfill the dream of transferring power to Kolenka.
          1. gsev
            gsev 5 June 2021 01: 00
            0
            Quote: Kaman
            Luka is not shaking hands and will not be able to fulfill the dream of transferring power to Kolenka.

            Kolenka will not be able to manage Belarus. Lukashenka should attend to the search for a business wife for Kolenka and find a young family somewhere in the depths of Russia. If the grandfather gives birth to grandchildren, then perhaps the Lukashenka family will not be interrupted.
      2. knn54
        knn54 31 May 2021 07: 34
        +8
        - Now Alexander Lukashenko is faced with a new question - what ideological paradigm should be used to renew the state?
        The question concerns ALL, including the Russian Federation.
        I repeat, nature does not tolerate emptiness, including heads.
        At one time, the pro-Western (since the times of the USSR) Shevardnadze Yankees easily changed to Saakashvili.
        Sergey.plus.I'm not afraid of this word-ARCHIVAL!
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 31 May 2021 16: 08
          -2
          Now Alexander Lukashenko is faced with a new question - on what ideological paradigm should the state be renewed?

          In Belarus, this has become easier. Recent events have shown who is the enemy of the State, therefore consolidation is taking place, there is a goal - to preserve and protect your Country. And now, after international pressure on Belarus, the zmagars, along with other normal people, are under attack. The West just handed them over !.
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 08: 52
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Protasevich, this is the tip of the iceberg, but perhaps for some of his peers it will be a lesson that you have to pay for your actions!

        This is understandable, Protasevich, Navalny and others like them, the characters, of course, are negative. But tell me, why do such characters appear? Only "inagents" are guilty of their appearance? The authorities themselves, with their irrepressible greed and stupidity, prepare a "breeding ground" for them. There would be no such theft, corruption, clannishness and nepotism, they would not have even a tenth of their popularity today.
        1. Finches
          Finches 31 May 2021 09: 28
          +3
          It’s a no brainer that there should be decent people in power who love the Motherland and who are professionals in their field, as well as who know and understand the aspirations of the people! Due to the hard times of the 90s, a large number of people who were guided exclusively by personal gain turned out to be in power, spitting on Russia from the big bell tower! Of course, you need to sweep all this rot, greed and selfishness out of all government structures, but how to do it? I don’t think that by means of revolutionary upheavals, which do not entail a change in the political system, but only by changing the names on the plates of the office doors! Recently, the state has been taking appropriate steps, but to what extent does the government have such levers that it can immediately and immediately clean up the self-seekers and replace them with "heroes of word and deed"? There is some truth in your words, and a very significant one, but how can this be done in practice while remaining in the legal field of modern realities?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 11: 00
            -5
            Quote: Finches
            but how to do this in practice while remaining in the legal field of modern realities?

            Unfortunately, no way. Yes, just writing on this topic is undesirable. Remember Platoshkin, very much like Nazi Germany. And the change of some plates on the offices to others really does not solve anything. And it doesn't matter if this happens through Navalny, or the Kremlin decides to move the pieces.
            Quote: Finches
            Recently, the state has been taking appropriate steps ...

            The state takes only such steps and only in order to stay in power, nothing more, the life of the people does not interest it, as long as taxes and excise taxes are collected. People are the new oil.
            1. Finches
              Finches 31 May 2021 11: 17
              +2
              Any power tries to stay in power, this is the sacred idea of ​​power! Oh, how bent! laughing
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 11: 35
                0
                Quote: Finches
                Any power tries to stay in power, this is the sacred idea of ​​power!

                An irreplaceable government that has no feedback is disastrous for the country. Either the state is a self-regulating system, or it will cease to exist.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 31 May 2021 11: 37
                  0
                  We lived under the Romanovs for 300 years, under general secretaries 70 ... So the turnover of power has exactly 50% positive and 50% negative for the state as a whole!
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 11: 59
                    0
                    Well, how are the results, norms?
                  2. gsev
                    gsev 5 June 2021 01: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Finches
                    They lived under the Romanovs for 300 years,

                    Peter 1, Catherine 1 and Catherine 2, Alexander 1 came to power through the revolution and the struggle for power .. Tsars under which Russia fell in difficult times came to power by legal succession without a fight. Paul 1, Nikolay 1, Nikolay 2.
                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 31 May 2021 12: 55
                  +7
                  An irreplaceable government that has no feedback is disastrous for the country. Either the state is a self-regulating system, or it will cease to exist.

                  Nancy Pelosi, never to be replaced at 81, along with 78-year-old President Biden, the Bush and Clinton families, Merkel and many others applaud your speech!
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 13: 05
                    -1
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Nancy Pelosi, never to be replaced at 81, along with 78-year-old President Biden, the Bush and Clinton families, Merkel and many others applaud your speech!

                    Since when did you start using Western "democracies" as an example? And how is everything going well in the west? I repeat
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    An irreplaceable government that has no feedback is disastrous for the country.

                    On the whole, "feedback" works a little better for them. Although bourgeois democracy is indirectly related to true democracy.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 31 May 2021 13: 28
                      +2
                      Since when did you start using Western "democracies" as an example?

                      With your permission, I do not use them as an example. But I show that the ideas about "obligatory changeability" are not applied so zealously where they were born, but are persistently proposed for use among the "Papuans". It's easier for them to manage the "Papuans".
                      There are periods of successful progressive development, when the change of a leader to a new, prepared one is successful and there are crises in which the technical replacement of a successful leader leads to very significant losses for the country.
                      On the whole, "feedback" works a little better for them. Although bourgeois democracy is indirectly related to true democracy.

                      Trump and 70% of Republicans give you a standing ovation!
                      Not only did the Democrats steal the elections, they also untied BLM's hands so that the disgruntled were afraid to utter a word.
                      Just like in Ukraine, by the way. And Ukraine is a vivid example of the benefits of the turnover of power. Most now remember the times of Yanukovych with sadness (although he is still a pepper). Everything is learned over time and in comparison. hi
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 14: 02
                        -6
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Just like in Ukraine ...

                        You seem to have a poor idea of ​​what genuine freedom and democracy are, and also what is "feedback" between the people and the superstructure called "the state."
                        Quote: Alex777
                        But I show that the ideas of "obligatory changeability" are not applied so diligently where they were born.

                        The most important thing is "feedback" and those institutions that are sharpened for this. Feedback is bad in most countries of the world.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 31 May 2021 14: 42
                        +4
                        You seem to have a poor idea of ​​what genuine freedom and democracy are, and also what is "feedback" between the people and the superstructure called "the state."

                        Besides the fact that the minus is not mine, I can’t answer you anything else. smile
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 15: 45
                        -5
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Besides the fact that the minus is not mine, I can’t answer you anything else.

                        Yes, for a long time I already did not give a damn about all these pros and cons.)))) hi
                    2. bk316
                      bk316 31 May 2021 14: 57
                      +6
                      You seem to have a poor idea of ​​what genuine freedom and democracy are, and also what is "feedback" between the people and the superstructure called "the state."

                      I'm afraid no one imagines this at all ...
                      As the maximum of utopia, as the norm is lies.
                      Personally, I think that true freedom and democracy is possible only on condition that the people are the same people that they tried to create in the USSR, which consists of people of a new formation - Soviet people. The CPSU failed miserably with the task of educating these people, and this is what I consider to be the main reason for the collapse of the USSR. True, it is worth saying that the task itself is daunting, you need to somehow manage to combine patriotism and internationalism, collectivism and initiative, the desire for freedom and discipline, a sense of justice and law-abidingness in a person, so that people remember their roots but strive to go further ... ...
                    3. Alex777
                      Alex777 31 May 2021 17: 09
                      +2
                      I'm afraid no one imagines this at all ...
                      As the maximum of utopia, as the norm is lies.

                      good
                3. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 31 May 2021 21: 49
                  +2
                  I support that the heads of IT corporations do not change, why does Zuckerberg rule for a long time or Bill Gates or Basos or Green? These giants will be stronger than many states ...
                4. bk316
                  bk316 1 June 2021 12: 46
                  0
                  or Bill Gates

                  Billy has been out of work for 15 years.
                5. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 1 June 2021 19: 39
                  +1
                  Well, let's cross out Billy, and how many more heads of large foreign corporations have been plowing for decades "like slaves in a gallery"? It's not democratic negative Let them rule for four years like everyone else. Only, you know, I got experience, I figured out the essence of the matter and immediately the next inexperienced inept at the head - this is order and democracy, this is the quality of management! wassat
        2. Israel
          Israel 31 May 2021 14: 41
          -3
          But at the same time, whatever Biden does, he will be president for a maximum of eight years, and the Bush and Clintons represented the interests of completely different groups, this is the main strength of the United States now, in their internal structure. Their very system does not allow usurpation of power in a very narrow group of people, and this is evident, Bush is one policy, Obama is a friend, Trump is the third, now Baydan and already changes. You can recall Keystone XL, Obama rejected the application for the construction of the oil pipeline, Trump allowed, now Biden froze again.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 31 May 2021 21: 59
            +1
            now Baydan and already changes.

            I cried ... lol
            Biden in the States is called Obama's third term. wink
            1. Israel
              Israel 1 June 2021 09: 37
              +1
              As far as I know from people in Moscow, even when Medvedev replaced Putin as president and there were changes, people changed, and you say Biden, a lot of completely different people came with Biden, behind whom other people also stand. Even if the “talking head” changes, it no longer helps to defuse the social situation badly. You look at the situation more broadly, how many years the United States has existed, when the last time it had serious internal political events that endangered the existence of the United States as a state. If for Russia, Belarus, the real change of the president (or the general secretary in the case of the USSR) is some kind of complex event comparable to difficult childbirth for a woman, then for the United States this is a routine event in general, Biden is already the 46th president in a row.
              Well, one simply cannot but admit the obvious, the United States as a state is more stable and balanced than Russia or Belarus and their elite and oligarchs clearly see their future in the United States, and their children study in the United States, real estate in the United States, etc. With almost 99.9999% probability, we can assert how much Biden will be in the presidency as much as possible, but at the same time it is impossible to reliably make the same forecast for Putin or Lukashenka, presumably as long as health will allow.
              I already wrote somewhere, the whole essence of a legal, more or less transparent procedure for changing power is reduced to a simple one, why “break the state” if you can go through and vote for another candidate, and to guarantee there is a limit on the number of terms taken.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 1 June 2021 09: 59
              +1
              Oh wey! lol
              Yakov!
              In the 90s, I myself lived in the States for almost 10 years.
              I myself now live in Moscow.
              I know for certain the whole history of the short "reign" of the LADY.
              There was nothing good about this story. IMHO.
              What happened to Libya when he did not veto the Security Council?
              What advice from Vekselberg have benefited Russia?
              I know for certain why almost all of his entourage is sitting.
              Don't tell me what is good for my country. hi
              As for the GDP, it has already prepared a place to go.
              But I will not tell you about it. You will see for yourself. bully
            3. Israel
              Israel 1 June 2021 10: 04
              0
              There was nothing good about this story. IMHO.


              I didn’t say whether it was good or bad, the very fact, Medvedev simply had to “warm up” the chair and Putin was not far away, in the prime minister’s chair, and his changes in politics were noticeable.

              As for the GDP, it has already prepared a place to go.


              So this is the very "difficult birth", the American procedure for the change of power, looks much more reliable.
            4. Alex777
              Alex777 1 June 2021 10: 18
              +2
              Medvedev simply had to "warm up" the chair and Putin was not far away, in the prime minister's chair

              Unlike you, I really know what measures ensured the transfer of power from the lady to the GDP.
              But you missed this hint of mine. Means not in the know.

              So this is the very "difficult birth", the American procedure for the change of power, looks much more reliable.

              Yes, I don’t need a change for the sake of a change. This is the question.
              Do you have "Bibi" Netanyahu when it leaves?
              When health will not allow you to continue to steer?
              Why are you slipping us something that you yourself don't use? wink
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 31 May 2021 12: 39
    +3
    you know, in my opinion the first thing to do is to take part in the elections and not to fry kebabs in the country. secondly - to get all your friends to take part in the elections! From my experience, I can state one thing: a maximum of 40% of those eligible come to the elections, and mostly they come either from a brainwashed era (if only there was no war - this is their motto, but the fact that the government has already openly headed for the extermination of the population by adopting pension reform and the "optimization" of medicine!) and now the question is: what do you think, WHO will win if we go to fry kebabs ?!
    1. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 31 May 2021 13: 14
      +2
      WHO will win if we go to grill kebabs ?!

      Sadly to admit it, you can safely go to fry kebabs. Have you heard the expression: "The casino always wins"? It's the same with elections. You cannot win in a game where all the cards are marked and the dealer always has an ace up his sleeve. I participated in all electoral cycles from 2010 to 2016, at all levels: observer, commission member, staff member. And I will say one thing: there is always fraud. ALWAYS! In my opinion, the very fact that our election orders are being lowered speaks for itself. Moreover, the bulk of the falsifications falls not at the PEC level, but at the TECs and above.

      The first primaries held by the EP in 2016 was the last straw for me: it was since then that I realized that if they are not able to understand each other, then what to say about the country.

      However, I got a little excited: you still need to go to the polls. The real figures also do not go unnoticed by those in power, they always react to them: they remove the governors who did not ensure the attendance, provide targeted assistance, etc. In the end, deliberately unpopular decisions are put on the back burner.

      It is a pity that the pension reform turned out to be the opposite. One well-known politician from Leningrad even cried when he realized that he had been given another carte blanche, while he already knew how to dispose of it. Still, apparently he felt a little sorry for us ...
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 26
        -1
        Quote: Dante
        However, I got a little excited: you still need to go to the polls.

        A categorically wrong point of view. The elections must be boycotted and preferably with protests. This whole circus with Grudinin in the last elections just confirms my point of view.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 31 May 2021 13: 42
      0
      you know, in my opinion the first thing to do is to take part in the elections and not to fry kebabs in the country

      I fully support.
      Although you and I see the results of the work of the authorities in absolutely different ways.
      The same Sobyanin received 70% of 30% of those who came to vote.
      And he leads, having received, in fact, only 20% of the vote.
      If 70% of his "admirers" came to the polls, then no "system" would be able to neutralize this number (80%) of votes against. hi
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 20
      -3
      Quote: Viktor Demchenko
      is to take part in the elections

      This is sheer nonsense. The elections should be held, preferably with protest actions. Because this will be another election with no choice. And when you come to the elections, simply confirm their legitimacy.
  • yuratanja1950
    yuratanja1950 31 May 2021 13: 28
    0
    Quote: Finches
    There is a grain of truth in your words, and a very significant one, but how can this be done in practice while remaining in the legal field of modern realities?


    That's it ... The age-old Russian question: "What to do?" ... what

    PS I met once with my former schoolmate ... Now I am a businessman, I don’t know what level, but his life is not sickly ... So he said over a glass of tea: “Let them try to take something away from me .. . I'll bite it with my teeth, throw grenades "...
    And she said, by and large, a pot-bellied trifle ... And what will the "big and rich uncles" say and do?
  • your1970
    your1970 1 June 2021 07: 59
    0
    Quote: Finches
    It’s a no brainer that there should be decent people in power who love the Motherland and who are professionals in their field, as well as who know and understand the aspirations of the people!

    Gold words!!!!!!! Were there such people in the USSR in the 1980s? No !!!!!!!!
    And there were
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    The authorities themselves, with their irrepressible greed and stupidity, prepare a "breeding ground" for them. There would be no such theft, corruption, clannishness and nepotism, they would not have even a tenth of their popularity today

    Which led to the collapse of the USSR ...
  • Victorio
    Victorio 31 May 2021 13: 25
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Finches
    Protasevich, this is the tip of the iceberg, but perhaps for some of his peers it will be a lesson that you have to pay for your actions!

    This is understandable, Protasevich, Navalny and others like them, the characters, of course, are negative. But tell me, why do such characters appear? Only "inagents" are guilty of their appearance? The authorities themselves, with their irrepressible greed and stupidity, prepare a "breeding ground" for them. There would be no such theft, corruption, clannishness and nepotism, they would not have even a tenth of their popularity today.

    ===
    Conduct a poll / referendum on unification figures may not be entirely unambiguous. I suppose that there will be many young people (large cities and students) against, the old - the new intelligentsia.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 31 May 2021 16: 30
    +4
    The growth of nationalist sentiments is not always directly dependent on the level of poverty, corruption, etc. The richest regions in Spain are Catalonia and the Basque Country. In socialist Yugoslavia, people lived best in Croatia and Slovenia.
  • Glenni
    Glenni 31 May 2021 09: 41
    -21%
    Of course, you have to pay for your actions both to Mr. Lukashenko for falsifying elections and seizing power, and to Mr. Putin for supporting separatism, destroying the economy, seizing foreign territories and establishing a dictatorial regime in Russia. They will pay for everything, the time will come.
    1. Finches
      Finches 31 May 2021 09: 43
      0
      Do you live on the Moon or do you scribble from a booker on Guantanamo? Is there evidence or some fabulous liberal emotions? laughing
      1. Glenni
        Glenni 31 May 2021 09: 54
        -9
        Do you have your eyes? Please look around you.
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        1. Finches
          Finches 31 May 2021 10: 00
          +3
          This is all great, of course, if there is a thought, then there should be dissent, but dissent should not be directed to the detriment of the state! The desire for change for the better should not end in blood and the collapse of the country! There are also democratic procedures - political competition and fair elections. To say that all elections are often rigged without much evidence is populism and nothing more. Another thing is that there are people like me who, on the whole, do not perceive Western democracy, imposed atomism - from all this you need to go to your native community!
          1. Glenni
            Glenni 31 May 2021 10: 08
            -7
            What does the western sense have to do with it, why do you need it at all? Where is the purpose of Russia's existence as a state? Do you know her this goal? What the Russian state gave its citizens for at least 20 years of Putin's rule. Why did it happen that the re-election of the country's leadership became virtually impossible?
            1. Finches
              Finches 31 May 2021 10: 17
              +2
              Because it was precisely the Western liberal values ​​that were imposed on our society in the 90s, and only with the GDP did we more or less return to the political model of leadership familiar to Russia! Enough mistakes were made, which is quite natural, but personally for me in the board of the GDP there are more advantages for the development of the country and in general! You can argue about this endlessly, but this article is about something completely different! You apparently think that Protasevich, who fought on the side of the neo-Nazis, received grants from Western organizations, printed on his resource the personal data of law enforcement officers and their family members, inciting their reprisals ... - a hero? No, he is a criminal and should be in jail!
              1. Revival
                Revival 31 May 2021 12: 01
                -5
                "You apparently think that Protasevich, who fought on the side of the neo-Nazis."

                And what is the evidence for this?

                Not guesswork and not "everyone already knows," but evidence.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 31 May 2021 12: 04
                  +3
                  Even the head of the national corps, Biletsky, wrote about this - he finished there saying that the Belarusian journalist Roman Protasevich participated in the ATO in Donbass, but his “weapon was not a machine gun, but a word ... for some reason, he does not know! There are no photos with a pen, but a photo with a gun, where a person very similar to Protasevich is enough!
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 08
                    -2
                    We fired parechenkov with a machine gun, so 1000% participated in hostilities, and there is a photo and a video?
                  2. Finches
                    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 15
                    +4
                    And this is a question for our law enforcement system - if they did not see the corpus delicti in Porechenkov's actions, then it is not. Belarusian law enforcement officers saw the corpus delicti in Protasevich's actions, so he was detained and an investigation is underway - and the guilt and did not participate, will be determined by the court! Why are you nervous then?
                  3. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 19
                    -1
                    Conveniently, saw did not see ...
                    Objective action doesn't count, right?
                    So, for example, he killed someone demonstratively on camera, but if they didn't see it, then he didn't.
                  4. Finches
                    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 20
                    +1
                    Are you proposing to introduce lynching? It's very democratic! laughing
                  5. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 24
                    0
                    I propose not to break away from logic, not to be hypocritical by double standards and to provide evidence for conclusions
                  6. Finches
                    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 30
                    +3
                    Where did you see logic, hypocrisy and double standards? The boy was a member of the neo-Nazi formation "Azov", which means he shares the views of the Nazis, whether he killed there or not, the investigation will figure it out!
                  7. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 33
                    -1
                    Sharing views and taking part in the DB are different things
                  8. Finches
                    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 35
                    +4
                    That is, he did not flaunt in the form of "Azov", that is, you deny even the statement of the head of the national corps Biletsky? You are a strange person - here I see, but here I do not see!
                  9. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 39
                    -1
                    That is, "flaunting in form" is participation in the database, or is it just killing someone?
                  10. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 40
                    -2
                    That is, you do not deny the statement of the head of the national corps?
                    So then it seems to be said about a journalist.
                    Or do you partly deny / do not deny it?
                  11. Finches
                    Finches 31 May 2021 13: 34
                    +3
                    Advocate further, in any case, our altercation does not lead to anything - I am very pleased and await a harsh sentence to this frame, you, it is not clear what you are waiting for! hi
                  12. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 14: 01
                    -1
                    Nothing in particular, I am just for the observance of logic and against the hypocritical use of double standards when voicing any information
                  13. Finches
                    Finches 31 May 2021 14: 03
                    +3
                    Infa that he fought in Azov is practically beyond doubt! I have it exactly! hi
                  14. Revival
                    Revival 31 May 2021 14: 26
                    -3
                    And I just state the fact that there is no evidence for this.
                    Believe it or not believe it is different
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 31 May 2021 18: 01
    0
    Quote: Revival
    We fired parechenkov with a machine gun, so 1000% participated in hostilities, and there is a photo and a video?

    Do not carry heresy. There is also a photo, and an interview with Protasevich about his service in the "Azov", and how he shot people.
  • Avior
    Avior 31 May 2021 19: 52
    -2
    Interestingly
    Can you provide a link where there is such an interview?
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 1 June 2021 14: 38
    +1
    Type in search: Kim interviews Radio Freedom 2015.
    Well, for example:
    https://amp.strana.ua/news/335422-roman-protasevich-v-azove-hlavnoe-iz-intervju-radio-svoboda-o-eho-uchastii-v-vojne-na-donbasse.html
  • Avior
    Avior 1 June 2021 14: 54
    -2
    Thank you.
    Only there is not that he shot and killed someone
    It looks like a staged reportage for propaganda slightly.
    They were filmed a lot then
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 1 June 2021 20: 21
    0
    Well, what he said himself, he said it himself. Maybe he hit someone, maybe he didn't, but he checked himself with a machine gun, gave an interview and carefully kept a photo on his phone, which the KGB of the Republic of Bashkortostan was quite happy about. what
  • gsev
    gsev 5 June 2021 01: 10
    0
    Quote: Avior
    Thank you.
    Only there is not that he shot and killed someone

    Punishers from Azov were noted for their atrocities. For example, I will sleep more peacefully if they are all killed.
  • Avior
    Avior 5 June 2021 05: 59
    -1
    The more blood is shed, the better you sleep? Sorry, I don’t share your position.
    There are those in Ukraine who say the same about the militias.
    Peace in Donbass will never be like this.: (((
  • gsev
    gsev 5 June 2021 23: 28
    0
    Quote: Avior
    The more blood is shed, the better you sleep?

    As far as I know, in the punitive battalions of the Azov type, they mainly recruit homeless people who are incapable of production activities. At one time, the Americans openly declared that the orange revolutions are a long process, and in the course of them several formations of pro-American politicians will change. It is quite possible that my point of view on the need for mass and immediate shooting of militants of punitive battalions like Azov is shared by the CIA officers overseeing the events in Ukraine. On the other hand, Ukrainian companies maintain close and fruitful cooperation with both Russia and the LPNR. For example, I have to work with a Donetsk company through Kiev.
  • Revival
    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 09
    -2
    In general, there is no evidence, there is "everyone already knows", of course
  • Finches
    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 32
    +1
    Do not distort! For example, artists who come to the combat zone to perform in front of the soldiers, so they are always offered to shoot from all types of weapons for fun - so you can list Shevchuk, Leshchenko, Rosenbaum, etc.
  • Revival
    Revival 31 May 2021 12: 37
    -4
    So the artists, since they come to perform, it means they "share their views" once they come, and this, according to you, is already pulling on a crime in itself.

    "The boy was a member of the neo-Nazi formation of" Azov ", which means he shares the views of the Nazis, whether he killed there or not killed, the investigation will figure it out!"

    That is, a journalist who interviews any "forbidden" also always shares their views?
  • Finches
    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 39
    +5
    Now, I beg your pardon, you are pulling an owl on the globe! He wore the "Azov" uniform and with all the chevrons, etc., that is, he positioned himself as a combatant, and not in a vest with the word "PRESSA"
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 31 May 2021 12: 13
    -4
    There are no photos with a pen, but a photo with a gun, where a person very similar to Protasevich is enough!

    We have one "activist" who also took a lot of pictures with weapons in his hands and even fired from the NSV "Utes" in the same place in the Donbass. Moreover, he was not at all embarrassed by the presence of a helmet and armor with the inscription "PRESS"
  • Finches
    Finches 31 May 2021 12: 22
    +1
    I also have a lot of such photos - so what? Moreover, Lukashenka also tried those who fought on the side of the militia - so why are you all getting nervous here? Sorry for the boy?
  • gsev
    gsev 1 June 2021 01: 27
    0
    Quote: Dante
    And he was not embarrassed at all, the presence of a helmet and armor with the inscription "PRESS"

    And why confuse those who shot at the punishers from Azov and the SS with the SS, SBU, APU and CIA?
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 31 May 2021 12: 45
    0
    Quote: Finches
    and only with GDP, we more or less returned to the political model of leadership familiar to Russia! Enough mistakes were made, which is quite natural, but for me personally, in the board of GDP there are more advantages for the development of the country and in general

    of the advantages: a reduction in the number of large enterprises from 30600 to 5500, a reduction in hospitals from 10200 to 5100, duping the younger generation with the optimization of education (the introduction of the USE), an increase in the retirement age, a sharp increase in taxes, including VAT, the introduction of new duties (Plato!) ... more advantages from his reign to list? or enough?
    1. Finches
      Finches 31 May 2021 13: 37
      +1
      On this site I try not to argue about GDP - then they ban me for three months for defending my positive position! So I'm not going to argue with you and, even violating my own principle of not going to the polls (though this is not final), I will go to the presidential elections and vote for the VVP, and you can continue to criticize - just what's the point ?! laughing
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 44
        -1
        And it is right. Why argue when you know that you may be asked extremely unpleasant questions that you cannot answer. Well, or you can, but then you have to admit that Putin, in fact, for all 20 years did everything exclusively in the interests of capital.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 31 May 2021 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Glenni
    What does it have to do with it western sense, why do you need it at all? Where is the purpose of Russia's existence as a state? Do you know her this goal? What the Russian state gave its citizens for at least 20 years of Putin's rule. Why did it happen that the re-election of the country's leadership became virtually impossible?

    ===
    then, what is the point of changing puppets in the usa? Or, for example, in Latvia, where people of the same views came to power (how they came, you can't kick them out, and if you kick them out, they come back), but with different names of parties? and this continues and continues, naturally something changes: today he is the minister of health, tomorrow of education. today the minister of foreign affairs, tomorrow the minister of defense, etc. etc. Presidents are generally puppets; they invite their immigrants around the world to sit in armchairs.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 39
    0
    And what will your liberal nonsense give the country if the capitalist economic system remains unchanged?
  • gsev
    gsev 1 June 2021 01: 24
    +3
    Quote: Glenni
    What the Russian state gave its citizens for at least 20 years of Putin's rule.

    For the last 2 years, the imbalance of the Yeltsin times began to be eliminated, when the engineer and designer was a sucker and a loser in the eyes of other groups of the population. Now the normal production activity in Russia is becoming demanded and promising. If the bureaucracy does not prevent people from working, there is a chance of increasing labor productivity in Russia. Although many young people still do not believe that they are starting to pay for smart decisions and are looking for places to eat.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 11: 39
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    This is all great, of course, if there is a thought, then there should be dissent, but dissent should not be directed to the detriment of the state!

    I would rephrase this: "the state should not be directed to the detriment of the people."
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 37
    -1
    Quote: Finches
    but dissent should not be directed to the detriment of the state!

    I will probably reveal a terrible secret for you, but dissent owes you nothing. By the way, for the communists and not only for them, the state is not an intrinsic value. And just one of the tools. Which will one day become unnecessary. In principle, there are already tendencies towards this. The further the division of the planet's inhabitants into separate state formations, the further the more it hinders humanity from solving pressing and acute problems. By diverting a lot of resources for all sorts of extremely expensive things, such as maintaining the state apparatus and the army, the further the more doubtful the benefits of which are.
    1. gsev
      gsev 5 June 2021 01: 17
      +1
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      And just one of the tools. Which will one day become unnecessary. In principle, there are already tendencies towards this.

      The experience after 1991 shows that a people without an instrument in the form of a protecting state is doomed to stagnation and extinction. A vivid example of recent times is Armenia, where Pashinyan turned the state machine into a means of personal power and put the interests of European partners at an unreasonably high level in comparison with Armenian ones.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 June 2021 18: 38
        -1
        You look at the state with the eyes of a petty bourgeois from the present triumphant reaction, I look with the eyes of a man of a victorious communist future. Therefore, we see each one of our own, although I understand your views, but alas, you cannot understand mine.
        1. gsev
          gsev 5 June 2021 23: 20
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          the gaze of a man who has won the communist future.

          Are you sure you know what a victorious communist future looks like? For example, in modern Russia, access to higher education for all social strata is easier and more equal than, for example, in the PRC and DPRK. Do you want to live in a country where the communist parties are in power? Are you able to provide yourself with a more dignified life there than in Russia? Have you tried to work in a cell of some modern Russian communist party? Do you think there is less mess, stupidity, double-dealing than, for example, in United Russia?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 08: 42
            -1
            Quote: gsev
            Are you sure you know what a victorious communist future looks like?

            Well, you are sure that the state is forever and everyone should sit like rats in their separate burrows of states. Why shouldn't I be confident in my ideas about the future? Fortunately, they stand on scientific grounds, and not on a naive philistine vision of the world, like yours.
            Quote: gsev
            For example, in modern Russia, access to higher education for all social strata is simpler and more equal than, for example, in the PRC and DPRK.

            Nothing. This mistake is slowly but surely being corrected. Recently I read that the number of school graduates entering universities has significantly decreased.
            Quote: gsev
            Do you want to live in a country where the communist parties are in power?

            Yes I want to. But it is precisely the communist, not the pseudo-communist. That is, they really should express the interests of the people, and not ideas about the interests of the people of the party nomenklatura with a gradual degeneration of this party nomenclature and the transition to protecting their interests with a disregard for the interests of the people. These parties should be seriously controlled by the people, and not as happened in the USSR, when in fact the party began to represent something like the service nobility.
            Quote: gsev
            Are you able to provide yourself with a more dignified life there than in Russia?

            Don't make me laugh with a decent life in Russia. It is worthy only among those who parasitize the people. Or someone who is lucky enough to get a more or less highly paid job. The rest we have plus minus Putin's middle class with an income of 17 thousand rubles.
            Quote: gsev
            Have you tried to work in a cell of some modern Russian communist party?

            Do we have such? Any party can be called communist, but for a party to be really communist, just one name is not enough.
            Quote: gsev
            Do you think there is less mess, stupidity, double-dealing than, for example, in United Russia?

            You suddenly realized that people are not angels and they have certain disadvantages? Congratulations. Are you suggesting to do nothing, so that something might not work out?
          2. gsev
            gsev 7 June 2021 02: 01
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Well, you are sure that the state is forever and everyone should sit like rats in their separate burrows of the states.

            There are different cultures, peoples and states in the world. Moreover, it is difficult to say which nation or which state will become the leader in 200 years. 200 years ago, the United States got rid of the payment of tribute to Algerian pirates. Who would have thought then that the United States would become a leading world power. Who would have thought at the beginning of 2020 that not the United States, but the PRC and the DPRK would be more successful in dealing with covid? But in order to make its people more successful, the government must lead its state on an independent path. Now we are observing how the development paths of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus diverge. Among these countries, someone will take the leading and more successful traditions, and people will run from the country of the loser to the more successful one. For example, according to the official statistics of Ukraine, the population of Slavyansk has decreased by 1989% since 20, in reality, for the working-age population, by all 80%. The population is forced to flee to those states that guarantee them protection from the orders established by the United States and the Security Service of Ukraine on the territory of Donbass. Therefore, there can be no threat from the United States about any abolition of states while there is a threat.
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 09: 17
            0
            Quote: gsev
            Who would have thought then that the United States would become a leading world power.

            As far as I remember, the same Jules Verne wrote about the fact that the United States and Russia have great prospects.
            Quote: gsev
            Who would have thought at the beginning of 2020 that not the United States, but the PRC and the DPRK would be more successful in dealing with covid?

            For example, I thought that it would be so.
            Quote: gsev
            Therefore, there can be no threat from the United States about any abolition of states while there is a threat.

            And then China will take the place of the USA and you will tell the same about China. Let me tell you about the real reason for the impossibility of getting rid of the state so far. As long as capitalism exists, this will not be possible. Simply because of the conflict of interests of the capitalists of different states. And yet, even within the framework of capitalism, there are centripetal tendencies. Tendencies towards the unification of humanity.
  • Glenni
    Glenni 31 May 2021 10: 19
    -6
    It is impossible to unite with Russia, it will be a kapets for the economy of independent Belarus! We need to look for our own way, create a national program for the country, discuss it at a referendum (without the chairman of the collective farm).
    1. Finches
      Finches 31 May 2021 10: 23
      +5
      Belarus cannot have any way without Russia, like a hand cut off from the body! This is unnatural at the level of national mentality, and therefore not viable! If not with Russia, then only with the semi-colony of the West - there are no other options!
      1. Glenni
        Glenni 31 May 2021 10: 43
        -2
        Yes, the West is not needed, they have their own lives. Until the scheme of tyrit money in Russia changes and living in the West where everything is delicious, nothing will change for Russia and Belarus.
        1. Finches
          Finches 31 May 2021 10: 45
          +1
          But this is not solved in a revolutionary way, but in a criminal procedure!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 12: 42
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            But this is not solved in a revolutionary way, but in a criminal procedure!

            And propose a solution not in a revolutionary way, but in a "criminal procedural" way. Do you think there is such a way? Nothing will change until the socio-economic formation changes, and it does not change in a "criminal procedural" way. This is true for Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Try to reconsider in a "criminal procedural" way, the "continuing crime" called "privatization", but the issue of ownership of the means of production is a key issue for any state.
        2. Alexga
          Alexga 31 May 2021 16: 17
          +1
          Until the scheme of tyrit money in Russia changes and living in the West where everything is delicious, nothing will change for Russia and Belarus.

          Absolutely not sharing your point of view in previous posts, now you said very correctly. But your opponent, as a statesman, is right in the current situation. Staggering the state in troubled times can be disastrous for the state.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 12: 26
      -2
      Quote: Glenni
      It is impossible to unite with Russia, it will be a kapets for the economy of independent Belarus!

      Of course, it is impossible to unite with such an oligarchic Russia. Indeed, the "kapets" will be your economy.
      Quote: Glenni
      We need to look for our own way, create a national program for the country, discuss it at a referendum (without the chairman of the collective farm).

      You have no separate path, either with the "collective farm chairman" or without. That Russia, that Ukraine, that Belarus - these are all artificially created state formations. Created by your and our ruling elite, only in order to stuff public property into private pockets.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 14: 53
      -2
      Quote: Glenni
      It is impossible to unite with Russia, it will be a kapets for the economy of independent Belarus!

      With you parasites in general, there is no interest in uniting. You live at our expense and still spit in our direction. Live for your own people and you can hate Russia even to the shit. But for your money. Loafers and parasites with delusions of grandeur. If it were not for the help of your dull wild country with no less wild inhabitants, Russia could simply be turned into a super country. Provide everyone with housing and raise wages and significantly improve the infrastructure, even with that theft and drink that is. Moreover, we have opened our market for you. Nafig need you. If it were not for this bad Putin policy, you would have gone around the world long ago as Ukrainians with an outstretched hand. And he's babysitting you.
  • Alexga
    Alexga 31 May 2021 15: 42
    0
    that Belarus, while it poses as an independent state, will not be left alone and others will come to replace this clown!

    Mr. Zyablitsev, I hope you understand that the use of such words does not increase the number of your friends, and even the state that you represent here?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 1 June 2021 16: 13
    +1
    reunification with Russia! There is no third!

    I'm afraid it's not that simple. Daddy plowed too hard for 30 years with a multi-vector approach. After last year's attempt at Maidan, reunification = the return of Belarus to its native harbor in Russia is no longer such an easy question. A few years ago, this could have been done by analogy with Crimea through a referendum on the unification of Russia and White Russia, but now, I'm afraid, this will not work out. A different mechanism is required. What ?! This is the most important question. The answer is that the correct answer to this question will determine the further fate of Russia and the entire Russian world. May God grant it to be done quickly and correctly !!!
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 31 May 2021 11: 13
    +2
    as was done in the Brest Regional Court, when he sentenced the Donbass militia fighter Vadim Shevchenko to two years in a general regime colony


    Which is remarkable. Such an attitude on the part of the Belarusian state authorities was widespread in relation to all who fought on the side of the unrecognized republics, i.e. those who really cared for the idea of ​​the "Russian world" and defended it. And this while the "hero" of this article, who today is portrayed as a terry nationalist, calmly continued to live a full life, supported his brothers in Ukraine, who poured lead on the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk, and also conducted not at all underground campaigning among the Belarusian society. And the KGB RB, this fact, as it turns out, was well known. However, whatever the specific actions of the state. security on this occasion for some reason was not undertaken. Probably everyone was happy with everything, and the degree of public danger of the nationalist Protasevich was incomparably lower than that which the militia of Novorossiya presented for the ruling regime.

    Moreover, something tells me that if Protasevich had not dared to make public calls for the overthrow of Lukashenka, he would still be at large and, as before, would calmly engage in his "educational" activities. The reason for this "selective" approach is quite simple: Lukashenka was very frightened by the events of the spring of 2014, when the Russian self-consciousness proved to be a real force capable of moving the masses against the wishes of those in power. And the fact that this self-awareness is aimed at abolishing the products of the "Bialowieza Agreement", including the independent elites of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, frightened even more. That is why the Belarusian leader made a bet, on the one hand, on the fight against the militias, and on the other, on the tacit suppression of the "exploits" of the Belarusian nationalists opposing the further reunification of the Russian peoples, which created a certain "freedom of action" for the latter. In the inflamed mind of the Belarusian leader at that time it seemed that it was the Belarusian nationalists who were to become a certain guarantee of further autonomy of the Belarusian state and, as a result, the preservation of Lukashenka in the leading post.

    This continued until 2020.

    Nevertheless, I would not be in a hurry to extrapolate the position taken by the authorities of the Republic of Belarus in relation to Protasevich to the entire Belarusian national movement. It may well turn out that all the negative will be concentrated on the figure of the would-be oppositionist himself, who will appear as a "black sheep" in a healthy herd of Belarusian national-patriots. However, even here I am inclined to agree with the author, in general for the official authorities, that such behavior occurs among those who are nurtured by this very power is a rather alarming call.

    In addition, I would not forget about another point: everything that happens in Belarus is aimed not only at the domestic consumer, but also at creating in Lukashenka the aura of an unshakable fighter against the opposition, which, as the events in Turkey, Kyrgyzstan and Belarus itself is very favorably received in the Kremlin. So favorable that they do not hesitate to allocate multibillion-dollar allocations to support such regimes and conclude very lucrative contracts that will be very, very useful for Belarus. In this vein, the desire to get Protasevich into our own hands at all costs acquires a different meaning, far from both personal motives (Lukashenka's revenge for an attack on his person), and from a potential change in the vector of domestic policy.

    Well, at the end I will give an interview with a militia girl who came to Donbass from Belarus.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 15: 05
      +3
      Quote: Dante
      The reason for this "selective" approach is quite simple: Lukashenko was very frightened by the events of the spring of 2014, when the Russian self-consciousness proved to be a real force capable of moving the mass of it against the wishes of those in power.

      Our oligarchy and the president are equally frightened by these events. Even such parsley as bulk and platoshkin have been frightening her lately by attracting the mood of the dissatisfied active masses of the population. Because the further, the less real support for the authorities among the people. Many are already fed up with this splicing between the EP of the oligarchs and Putin for all the good things. As a result of which all good for some reason goes to capital, often large, and you hold on there and other patriotism to the people.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 31 May 2021 05: 06
    0
    Imprison for 20 years for all actions, let the rest know what will happen.
    1. parma
      parma 31 May 2021 08: 42
      -14%
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Imprison for 20 years for all actions, let the rest know what will happen.

      For this, what is it? ... for disagreeing with the government, which is supported only by bayonets (including with our support)? For dissent? Violation of laws for the sake of their observance (yes?) Does not relieve responsibility and does not justify the "defender" ... personally, I very much doubt that this seedling took part in the database, but now we are not sure that we will find out the truth (too active Luka and Co. are trying to justify themselves for already clearly staged actions) ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 31 May 2021 05: 22
    +4
    The flirtation of bows in front of the West never ends, this is not the right person! He also went for the recognition of the Crimea by the Russian, bluntly stating that this requires official world recognition, and airlines from Belarus for this reason refuse to fly to Crimea, Belavia is an example for you! Yes, and the caught onion is used to gain preferences in the West, otherwise it would not be itself. So, the author does not need to deify this person, the same hypocrite and hypocrite sitting on several chairs, a weathervane man who has not answered one question directly, who loves and knows how to splurge, a fist with the habits of an emir - that's who is in this de facto luca life!
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 31 May 2021 15: 14
      0
      And like, everything is wrong with us? These are the realities of the present world. There are no friends here, only temporary allies. I remember we were building Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and then suddenly it turned out that our nouveau riches for Western capital are people of the second or even third grade whom none of them considers as equals, and then suddenly they fell into patriotism. It is a pity that our man in the street is extremely stupid and naive and often believes these lovers of changing shoes in a jump. Which of course fiercely promotes propaganda, but it's time to finally get rid of illusions, after all, 30 years have passed since the construction of developed capitalism.
  • v.tochenn
    v.tochenn 31 May 2021 05: 23
    0
    From all these protasevich-naval-Tikhonovs and the like, the stench comes from those who sit behind a puddle and these two-legged intentions are similar - some in the service of the second. The destruction (enslavement) of the Slavs is their goal. From this and proceed. The time to fawn and indulge them is over. It's time to start planting, showcase. Without humanism and extenuating circumstances.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 31 May 2021 05: 53
    +4
    It will not be possible to rush into the arms of the "Russian world" in haste. 30 years of the existence of independent Belarus were not in vain. Putting a Belarusian ship in a bay called "neither ours, nor yours" is also not an option. Unfortunately, the Lukashenka regime has let the youth go.

    - it's not even in the Russian world - the attraction of large systems requires (for now a choice) soon voluntary joining the camp (in the cage) ... in 10-15 years, inclusion in the composition.

    it's just that the world is changing and even the national identity is being transformed, and even the economic systems - even more so: today work is better than yesterday, tomorrow is better than today ---- otherwise the death of the state (RB)
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 31 May 2021 06: 17
      0
      Quote: antivirus
      work is better today than yesterday, tomorrow is better than today ---- otherwise the death of the state (RB)

      Gold words. Only not only (RB) concerns. now the "restless galley slave" will push through the four-day period and something that still somehow works will roll down.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 31 May 2021 07: 54
        -4
        Quote: NDR-791
        now the "restless galley slave" will push through the four days

        Are you talking about Medvedev now?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 31 May 2021 07: 56
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          Are you talking about Medvedev now?

          Well, about whom else. Everything I touched, everything is lost
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 31 May 2021 08: 51
            0
            Quote: NDR-791
            Well, about whom else. Everything I touched, everything is lost

            Why did I ask, because the expression "like a galley slave" belongs to Putin, and the proposal for a four-day stay belongs to Medvedev.
            Thank you for the clarification.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 31 May 2021 14: 57
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              because the expression "like a galley slave" belongs to Putin,

              The expression belongs to the group of authors of the book "7 days in June" and in the plot refers to Medvedev. Putin's words only prove that he read it.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 31 May 2021 14: 55
            0
            So Stalin envisioned in the future a reduction in the working day to almost 4-5 hours in "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR."
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 1 June 2021 07: 18
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Stalin envisioned in the future a reduction in the working day to almost 4-5 hours

              Working hours but not working days. Today, an extra day off will only lead to greater degradation. The work of many deters from this:

  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 31 May 2021 06: 09
    +6
    In short, the "collective farmer" played too much and almost suffered the fate of Yanukovych. If not for the help and support from Russia, where they also do not quite correctly assess approximately a similar situation, they say, "childish pranks", and these are far from pranks, but a threat to the existence of the state and it is necessary to deal with them accordingly.
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    1. chenia
      chenia 31 May 2021 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      Now his fate for the coming years is described in one word: "Rooster".


      Yes, Protasevich found his place in life (under the bunks).
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 May 2021 07: 19
    +4
    From this summer Russia will have to save Belarus economically. If all the economic sanctions are introduced, only the markets of Russia, China and Kazakhstan will remain for Belarus. I don't understand Belavia, they think that they will be allowed into the sky by eupopes (unless they take the path of betraying Lukashenka), at the word Crimea, they are hysterical. They are going to beat on the transit of oil, gas, export of oil products and potash fertilizers. And the money for the elite, which can betray 3 billion euros, has been announced. Europe will not lag behind Belarus. European ghouls need a result, otherwise next election Sher Khan will pick up other jackals!
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 31 May 2021 07: 33
    +2
    It is written as if Lukashenka is able to learn from his own mistakes.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 31 May 2021 07: 59
    +4
    Lukashenko, was on his own mind, and will remain so.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 May 2021 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Lukashenko, was on his own mind, and will remain so.

      So this is normal for the head of state. request
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 31 May 2021 07: 59
    -6
    Apparently, all participants in hostilities on the side of Ukraine will fall under the close control of law enforcement agencies.
    That is, for the sake of one Nazi from "Azov", it is necessary to land a whole plane flying along the international corridor ?! Based on this logic, Ukraine can also land planes flying by with former militias and all kinds of military personnel there - and what, a precedent has been created! fellow
    Articles are getting bigger
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 31 May 2021 10: 15
      +4
      So Sumeria was the first to set an example ... Land an airplane with the help of fighters a couple of years ago ... So do not distort the facts ...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 31 May 2021 11: 22
        -3
        Quote: nPuBaTuP
        So do not distort the facts ...

        There the plane flew from Kiev, and Poroshenko then officially apologized
        1. nPuBaTuP
          nPuBaTuP 31 May 2021 12: 40
          +4
          Ah .... Well, I see ... It's different .... Like the plane with the Bolivian president ... Right?
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 31 May 2021 08: 04
    -2
    It will not be possible to rush into the arms of the "Russian world" in haste.
    it would be nice to give a definition of the Russian world and why it is better than the Belarusian world. Like what Sorokin described in his work "The Day of the Oprichnik" ?!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 May 2021 08: 13
      +4
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      it would be nice to give a definition of the Russian world

      This is difficult to do after the Russian Spring has been drained.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 May 2021 08: 15
    +4
    Oh, and we love to inflate all sorts of personalities to exorbitant proportions. Here is Protasevich, on TV Orbakaite. History will erase these names in the near future. And in the history of Belarus, only incomprehensibility will remain. Who remembers Boris Savinkov? And he had more influence on the rebels of Soviet Russia, even without the Internet.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 31 May 2021 08: 20
    -1
    Unfortunately, the Lukashenka regime has let the youth go.

    One might think that the Russian Federation did not miss - the Urengoy Kolya as an example.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 31 May 2021 08: 23
    +1
    On the pictures for the article, too, questions. Here in the capital, what a miracle to the right of Protasevich - where is the explanation ?! Like the personification of the Western world ?! or is it Protasevich's alter ego ?!
    Again, according to the double photo with the house - like this is the house destroyed by Protasevich ?! So he seemed to be just writing, but did not participate in hostilities, as they write about right in front of this photo.
    What kind of Goebel movement ?! Who is it designed for at all - for absolutely stoned ?!
  • prior
    prior 31 May 2021 08: 48
    +3
    It would be nice if the Russian FSB conducted its own investigation into Russian "protasevichs" and "boots" who took part in the war in Ukraine and other internet bands.
    Or are there none?
    1. husband
      husband 31 May 2021 10: 21
      -5
      I went in a taxi. The driver is Azerbaijani. Briefly and succinctly expressed everything that the former republics think about: Those who are with America are rich, Those who are with Russia are poor.

      The average salary in Ukraine is 36000 rubles. Growth by 9% per year.

      https://hromadske.ua/ru/posts/srednyaya-realnaya-zarplata-v-ukraine-za-god-vyrosla-na-95-gosstat

      In 3-4 years it will be equal to the Russian one. Plus, they have visa-free travel and the average salary does not include the income of migrant workers in euros.

      It will be difficult for the Russian authorities to explain to the population why this is so.
      1. prior
        prior 31 May 2021 10: 32
        -1
        Blessed is he who believes in fairy tales .... Go and see with your own eyes. There, on most roads, there is still the asphalt of the Soviet era.

        1. prior
          prior 31 May 2021 10: 34
          -3
          And this is a gas station in Belarus
          1. husband
            husband 31 May 2021 15: 27
            -1
            It was from the train from Belarus that I was traveling. From the Belorussky railway station. And in Belarus there are wealthy people in Ukraine. It is generally difficult to compare even the best cities in the world with Moscow; under Sobyanin, the city flourished. But compare Dnepropetrovsk with Volgograd. You will not see the difference.
        2. husband
          husband 31 May 2021 15: 29
          0
          Google maps and panoramas are at your service. Have you traveled around the Tver region for a long time? By roads, both Russia and Ukraine and Belarus are glorious))) And in Belarus for some time it was almost normal, but now even the mink is crumbling.
      2. isv000
        isv000 31 May 2021 13: 48
        +1
        The Azeri didn’t tell why he taxis in "poor" Russia, and does not drive a Uber car in "bohata" America? wink
        1. husband
          husband 31 May 2021 15: 24
          0
          They do not give him a visa, he said, he dreams of winning a green card. And in Moscow they are bombing Yandex.Taxi. It takes advantage of a shortage of drivers and an increase in tariffs. Nothing personal just business)))
          1. isv000
            isv000 31 May 2021 15: 29
            -1
            He does not dream, but his brains soar, while in the homeland of men are fighting, he is skerrying here, and the shortage of drivers in Yandex is because the desk is rotten, there are no drivers there - there are users of the application ... am
            1. husband
              husband 31 May 2021 15: 35
              0
              That's about the war was just 95% of the trip. There is such hatred for Armenia that a comrade had to explain it for her. I am an international lawyer by my second education and it was difficult to accept this heresy. I wrote in the comments what is in their heads !! It is beneficial with America, but not with Russia. And this is extremely difficult to fix.
              1. isv000
                isv000 31 May 2021 15: 42
                0
                There is money - there is an Azeri, there is no money - the Azeri is gone. Muddy people, they strive in a crowd, but as one-on-one - wai, he says, brother! By the way, when the house was being built, it was amazing - the Azerbaijani was the contractor and he took the Armenian as the foreman. They hired Uzbeks and called them guest workers, dined together - not spill water!
            2. husband
              husband 31 May 2021 15: 40
              0
              By the way, in Belarus the driver of Yandex.Taxi is a former employee of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus. He is not ready to beat the people. He went into a taxi, he is an ardent critic of Rygorich.
  • Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 31 May 2021 10: 03
    +5
    Yes, and Russia has let work in Belarus take its course. Your ratio of the Belarusian society as one to three is not correct. I will tell you that the sympathies of the overwhelming majority of Belarusians are on the side of the DPR, since hatred of Nazism is in our blood. But there are precursors, of course, and there are not many of them. It is a pity that when there was an opportunity, Russia did not go to the end and did not press down on the junta.
    1. isv000
      isv000 31 May 2021 13: 44
      -4
      I have many relatives in the Vitebsk region. Nobody participates in any rallies, neither they nor neighbors. Everyone goes to work calmly. They are jumping "somewhere out there" and, mostly, young. In their words ... hi
  • populist
    populist 31 May 2021 11: 05
    +5
    The author is unjustifiably optimistic in his assessment of the change in Lukashenka's course. Especially unjustified optimism is expressed by the author in anticipation of the abolition of "litvinization" and a change in the ideological paradigm. These systems express the essence of Lukashenka himself and he will never agree to replace them. Natsik may have been driving for a while (especially atoshniks), and even that is not a fact.
  • Revival
    Revival 31 May 2021 11: 50
    0
    So it's not entirely clear whether there is evidence of his participation in the database or only "well, everyone knows"?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 31 May 2021 13: 01
    +1
    Yes, he does not pull on Che Guevara!
    (although today the plush chegevars have gone).
    And in the absence of fish, as you know, and cancer is a fish.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 31 May 2021 14: 29
      +1
      The current "revolutionaries" are not your old ones. Teshly and died for ideas.
      And crayfish have no souls to die for cookies.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 31 May 2021 14: 52
        +1
        So it is so. Only AHL consistently, or even in jerks
        lifted the degree up to 100500. Paid by the West
        maidan - overthrow of the legitimate government for cookies - - weapon
        wagons from Ukraine - NATO tanks rattling at the borders of the country -
        THE MURDER OF THE PRESIDENT AND HIS CHILDREN IS A BLOODY coup.
        Such a "chain" should have been crowned with a figure of scale.
        Dudayev / Basaeva, Girkin / Bezler at worst. And here on
        You are a snotty youth with a "lost mom" expression on his face.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 31 May 2021 13: 11
    +1
    "this active minority" enjoyed the patronage of the official Minsk. More than once there were reports that the military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was refueled with Russian fuel through Belarus. Components for military equipment and ammunition also went through Belarus.
  • isv000
    isv000 31 May 2021 13: 39
    -2
    To plant like a mercenary without touching the topic of the opposition is to knock this argument out of the sticky hands of the West. While he is sitting, the memory of him will get cold ... hi
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 31 May 2021 14: 27
    -1
    As always, the same thing ... I just want to ask: "Well, what about son? Did your Poles save you?"
    And no one who follows will learn anything from the fate of the previous one. And Luca too.
  • Denis Moskalenko
    Denis Moskalenko 31 May 2021 14: 44
    +2
    The author of the article writes about what he does not know. Come to us in Belarus, and live here for a couple of months, feel the whole situation, and then write. Every day we only hear about who else was imprisoned. And not a word about this through state channels, everything is fine and fine with us, and whoever thinks otherwise is all Western spies.
  • puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 31 May 2021 16: 55
    +1
    It's nice to think that Belarusians are a brotherly people! In general, I do not divide Russians into Ukrainians and Belarusians. But there is one thing ... For capitalism, nationality or brotherhood is not important! If only not the use of nationalism, as in the case of Germany. Both the collective West and Russia are not enemies and brothers, but competitors and potential owners. The times of "brotherhood of the peoples of the USSR" have passed and man to man, now - a wolf! If Belarus "falls" under the West, then most of the enterprises will disappear, so as not to create competition, and the rest will be told what and in what quantities can be produced. If Russian oligarchs come to Belarus, although they will not rush to "close" their competitors, they will certainly not invest in the development of the economy, but will crush the most profitable industries. But father is wriggling, as in a frying pan, between Russia and the West, in order to preserve independence and not give the economy to the mercy of everyone who wants to "bite off a fatter bite." Yes, and the local "sharks of capitalism" does not allow them to become completely impudent ... So, I know about the friendship of peoples, but I have not heard about the friendship of capitalists in the interests of any people! And, as soon as Lukashenko leaves, Belarus will be torn apart, "improving the life of the people and increasing economic performance"! There is only one motive that does not allow staying away from the events: if the "Western values" win in Belarus, they will make it an enemy of Russia. The enemy is not of Russian oligarchs or officials, but the enemy of everything Russian ... And as long as the blood of people flows, as in Ukraine, the capitalists will make money in the war.
  • boni592807
    boni592807 31 May 2021 17: 27
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    Colleagues. hi The question is whywhen it happened to (it seems with bet ebdo) France a bunch of people interested with a photo in the network "I am a bet ebdo". Our frankers (sorry for my Ryazan accent) "twist" the US senator about the Russian aggression in Lim-po-po (Africa). And here in all the airports in Europe (possibly the USA) there are portraits of the "partisan" Protasevich ... And no one in the networks addressed to our partners, for THEIR mass public, did not launch HIS photo with the attachment of his peremog (he served - "Azov") in relation to the civilians of Donetsk. There is a photo. Let them say - what is recognized even by the United States in relation to "Azov" and one of them "a modest fighter" .. To draw, depending on the country, the analogy of their "internal" terrorists is close to them. There is no need for any concern, "just a photo, the US assessment of Azov, a photo or video sequence and their" analogue ".... Local residents will be interested in what the drivers have hung up behind THEIR hands at THEIR airports ... hi
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 31 May 2021 21: 15
    -1
    earlier, the Belarusian special services reacted to the direct participants in the ATO. They were threatened with persecution under the articles of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus (recruitment and mercenary activity).

    It is not clear why this article was not "hung" on Protasevich? Under this article, he would not have been able to move around the EU so easily ...
    Mercenary The United Nations Convention, officially the International Convention against the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries, is a 2001 United Nations treaty that prohibits the recruitment, training, use and financing of mercenaries. At the 72nd plenary meeting, on 4 December 1989, the United Nations General Assembly concluded the convention as resolution 44/34. The Convention entered into force on October 20, 2001 and has been ratified by 35 states. United Nations Convention on Mercenaries -
    https://ru.xcv.wiki/wiki/United_Nations_Mercenary_Convention
    Among its signatories are the Republic of Belarus and Ukraine ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 June 2021 03: 27
      -2
      It is unlikely that the concept of a mercenary in the Convention refers to being in the civil service of any recognized state.
      Formally, Azov is a unit of the National Guard of Ukraine.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 1 June 2021 19: 29
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        Quote: Avior
        Unlikely

        It's either yes or no.
        the concept of a mercenary in the Convention refers to being in the civil service of any recognized state.

        Where did you get this from? Read Article 1 of the Convention, the link to which I gave ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 June 2021 19: 37
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          Read
          What I wrote is written in paragraph d - this is an exception to the concept of a mercenary.
          d) is not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict;

          If he really was part of Azov, then under the concept of a mercenary within the framework of the convention, he is not included
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 1 June 2021 19: 58
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            Quote: Avior
            Read
            What I wrote is written in paragraph d - this is an exception to the concept of a mercenary.
            d) is not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict;

            If he really was part of Azov, then under the concept of a mercenary within the framework of the convention, he is not included

            Are you kidding me?
            clause d) clause 1 of article 1. A mercenary is any person who: The United Nations Convention on Mercenaries -
            not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict
            United Nations Convention
            https://ru.xcv.wiki/wiki/United_Nations_Mercenary_Convention#Article_1_(Definition_of_mercenary)
            And he could not be a military commander in the forces of the NG Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, tk. there is no Law in Ukraine allowing military service for foreign citizens who do not have Ukrainian citizenship ... because. that Comrade Petrusevich could fight as part of a bot. / regiment "Azov" not like the military unit of Ukraine ...
            And you didn't clarify your previous comment:
            the concept of a mercenary in the Convention refers to being in the civil service of any recognized state
            it is completely at odds with your subsequent comment:
            not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict

            you decide what you write ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 1 June 2021 21: 13
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              You misread my post, for some reason you removed two keywords from it
              It is unlikely that the concept of a mercenary in the Convention refers ...

              And in Ukraine there is a law that allows foreigners and stateless persons to serve at least in the National Guard
              Again, he is in the armed forces, he does not necessarily serve, he can be a civilian, he is still in the armed forces.
              Again, it could have been enrolled in spite of the law, you never know.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 31 May 2021 21: 27
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    Nazi scum should have been punished. But somehow without fanfare, gracefully. And so the country was punished for one of this type. Should we expect the same reaction from the West as during the forced landing of the Belavia plane in 2017? By the way, also with the oppositionist laughing
    No, for “their own” they have one measure, for the Russian Federation, Belarus - completely different!
    1. Gaiful
      Gaiful 1 June 2021 02: 46
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      It is not worth licking the capitalists so intensively. You will not get anything from them.
  • gsev
    gsev 1 June 2021 01: 31
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    Quote: Finches
    Moreover, Lukashenka also tried those who fought on the side of the militia

    The main adversary of the United States is not politicians with pro-Russian sympathies, but politicians who are capable of making their states effective and competitive in comparison with the United States and Europe. On this site recently, representatives of Israel have figuratively and intelligibly explained that any effective Arab state is more likely to become an enemy of Israel than the most frostbitten militants.
  • Gaiful
    Gaiful 1 June 2021 02: 44
    -4
    The guy went against the owners of the Belarusian capital and got paid for it. Our servants of the capitalists condemn him for this, as true lovers of someone else's capital. They think they will get something too.
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      1. Wolf
        Wolf 1 June 2021 13: 45
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        As Aleksandar Nevski roughly said?:
        GOD IS NOT IN POWER, BUT IN THE TRUTH! wink
        And the Russian people need God's power in these times!
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 1 June 2021 13: 52
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          The question is in the political bureaucracy, is it ready to lose some of its ownership?
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 1 June 2021 14: 01
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            Should the state be renewed on this paradigm now? or to continue to support IDELOGICALLY NATIONALISMS?
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 1 June 2021 18: 10
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    I wonder where this "journalist" has an inscription in the press, in full gear, but he has a machine gun in his hands. and then blather that he is not a mercenary. Enough playing around and waking up. One question if you put him with this machine gun against ordinary people from the LPR, he will doubt whether to pull the trigger. Or maybe he pressed it more than once. No and no. Judge.
  • Natalia Kolpakova
    Natalia Kolpakova 1 June 2021 22: 50
    +1
    A.S. succeeded. Makarenko to accomplish the feat of re-educating criminal youth in a difficult, hungry time.
    Are we not able to change the consumer thinking of our younger generation?
    If we DO NOT introduce spiritual and patriotic education in educational institutions, then Russia will not survive.
    Parasitic thinking has betrayed and will sell everything and everyone.
    Such people, not only will sell their Motherland for 30 pieces of silver, they will give their parents a supplement.

    Ugliness of souls is devastation in the country.
  • Natalia Kolpakova
    Natalia Kolpakova 1 June 2021 23: 18
    0
    A.S. succeeded. Makarenko to accomplish a feat in the re-education of criminal youth - the times of hungry, revolutionary.
    Are we not able to change the consumer thinking of our younger generation? Man is created in such a way that he must be programmed from childhood and reprogrammed in case of infection of his consciousness with harmful viruses. You must NOT allow the enemies of Russia to sneer at the consciousness of our youth.
    If we do not introduce spiritual and patriotic education in all educational institutions, then Russia will not survive.
    Parasitic thinking has betrayed and will sell everything and everyone.
    Such people will not only sell their Motherland for 30 pieces of silver, but also send their parents to the appendage.
    The more souls with an infected mind, the more dangerous it is for any state.
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 2 June 2021 05: 01
    +1
    Various PMCs are fighting in Syria. Oil refineries are being wrung out, etc. Hundreds (if not thousands) of people. For some reason no one asks questions
  • Rock616
    Rock616 2 June 2021 12: 31
    0
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    It will not be possible to rush into the arms of the "Russian world" in haste.
    it would be nice to give a definition of the Russian world and why it is better than the Belarusian world. Like what Sorokin described in his work "The Day of the Oprichnik" ?!

    =================
    The definition of the Russian world was given long ago by your Sumerian court in Kuevo, when Shariy, like, "lost" this case in court, and the court of Venez determined that the Russian world is Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Pushkin, and so on .. fellow
    You are such funny saucepans, you scream at all your info = garbage dumps that Shariy lost the trial, but for some reason you don't publish what kind of ruling your clown court passed, since the patsreots will not approve. wink
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  • Jager
    Jager 3 June 2021 18: 26
    0
    Was in one of the museums of the Brest region. Idolatry before the Poles is complete, everything is tied to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Not a word about Russia. By the way, about the Belarusians themselves, too. That is, this is the history of Poland, not Belarus. I watched in this museum some kind of attack of historical schizophrenia.
  • Zakonnik
    Zakonnik 5 June 2021 12: 32
    0
    Rygorych basically missed out on working with youth. I sat on two chairs.
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 6 June 2021 10: 41
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    The comments to the article are very interesting. If you have not seen the times of flags at VO, and you do not remember who is from which country, you can easily determine by simply reading lol
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 16 June 2021 18: 15
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    Protasevich nervously smokes on the sidelines, looking enviously as the command of the NM LPR is actively destroying the 2nd brigade. So to shatter combat effectiveness is not sabotage or negligence. This is purposeful sabotage. The impression is that their Ukrainian General Staff approved in agreement with the Fashington Regional Committee.