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"The Russians place missiles on every meter of their ships": Britain compared the Type 26 frigate with the Buyan-M MRK in terms of armament

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This week in the British House of Commons it was announced that "initially the Type 26 frigate will only be equipped with a helicopter and a short-range missile system (plus a medium-caliber cannon and Phalanx CIWS)." The announcement caused a strong reaction in the British press; observers came out with sharp criticism, being dissatisfied with the extremely weak armament of the new escort ships of the AUG.


Loses even to Buyan-M


Critics include Tom Sharp, a retired commander [Captain 2nd Rank] who has been in the seas for 20 years. He compared armory stuffing of British ships, including the Type 26, with similar warships in fleets other countries.

In the table presented by him, ships from different countries are grouped. It evaluates the existing and new projects of the Royal Navy (RN) in comparison with the fleets of the United States, France, Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, China and Russia. The nine major weapon systems are listed at the top. Depending on their availability ("yes / no"), the ships gain points. As a result, the average value for the country is displayed.

The average score for all fleets is 6 out of 9. The US Navy is in the lead with 7,25, followed by the Chinese PLAN with 7 points and the Dutch frigate De Zeven Provinciën with 7 points. The average for the Royal Navy and T26 in particular is 4: "lower than on any other ship and in any other country," the author writes. Even the Russian MRK Buyan-M scored more points.

Fighting is a bloody affair. The ability to both withstand defense and attack is critical and highly dependent on the "mass". To use a boxing analogy: if you are half the size of your opponent, you will be beaten

- the commander believes.

"The Russians place missiles on every meter of their ships": Britain compared the Type 26 frigate with the Buyan-M MRK in terms of armament


Causes of failure


He tried to understand the reasons that affected the weak armament of the new frigate:

Of the ships listed in the table, excluding RN, 15 out of 18 have any torpedo launch systems. It also begs the question why the T26 (and T31) are the only ships on the list without surface-to-surface missiles?


First, there is not enough money, although recently the defense budget was significantly increased [the World Bank was in 4th place in terms of expenditures, the Russian Federation - in 5th]. Secondly, it has already become a habit to start building new types of ships, despite the immaturity of technology.

The Russians place missiles and guns on every meter of their ships, so much so that they literally bristle with them, and our fleet seems to be taking the opposite step.

Sharpe points out.

This is due to the unavailability of technical solutions. For example, officials claim that work on the Type 45 missile defense is ongoing, “but why was it not completed when the system was put into operation?” The author asks.

Thirdly, a mentality has formed according to which pennants, devoid of a certain type of weapon, will be covered by ships that possess them.

However, show up [on the battlefield] with a low-quality set [of weapons] and you will be sent to Group B, patrolling the waters a couple of hundred miles away.

Sharpe points out.

Fourthly, during the procurement process, costs are constantly growing, and therefore a dilemma arises - either completely abandon the program, or sacrifice its component parts.

I know that every military industrial complex in the world suffers from this, but maybe ours is in the ranks of the worst?

- writes the commander, pointing out, for example, that British ships have a Mark 41 launcher for anti-ship missiles and torpedo tubes, but they are empty, since no ammunition has been purchased for them.

Calling the Type 26 project a "failure", the author was concerned about the possible fate of the promising British destroyer Type 83:

The "8" index suggests that these ships will be large enough to match the cruisers of the past [...] There is a danger that we will build another ship weighing a billion pounds, which is inferior in armament to the 15-year-old Russian corvette

- the commander concludes.

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  1. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 23 May 2021 11: 41
    +13
    Yes, there would be more meters. And then a lot of beautiful names for ships are gathering dust ...
    And so - let them complain.
    1. Finches
      Finches 23 May 2021 11: 50
      +17
      And the commander approached the question competently! But he is already retired and is only interesting to the local FIU - when will he finally die! laughing
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 May 2021 11: 53
        +8
        "The Russians are placing missiles on every meter of their ships": Britain compared the Type 26 frigate with the Buyan-M MRK in terms of weapons

        Russians even have a saying:
        Small spool but precious
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 23 May 2021 12: 11
          +13
          First, there is not enough money
          What's the problem? Take a loan from Ukraine!
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 23 May 2021 12: 17
            +5
            Quote: NIKNN
            Take a loan from Ukraine!

            Then they will pay for their whole life ... recourse
            1. Cananecat
              Cananecat 23 May 2021 22: 34
              +2
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Then they will pay for their whole life ...

              Yes, wi sho ... they owe her the whole European herd without credit. laughing
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 23 May 2021 12: 11
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          "The Russians are placing missiles on every meter of their ships": Britain compared the Type 26 frigate with the Buyan-M MRK in terms of weapons

          Russians even have a saying:
          Small spool but precious

          It remains to compare their air defense
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 23 May 2021 14: 22
        +4
        He is a commander, i.e. "cap two". Even when he was on duty, no one really bothered about his opinion. And the constant reductions, the Britons have already become the norm. Destroyers type 45 was supposed to be, like 42 - 12 pieces. As a result, 6 came out, with 26 frigates a similar situation.
        1. Finches
          Finches 23 May 2021 14: 24
          +2
          hi Thank you, that's how it is!
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 23 May 2021 15: 41
          +2
          All Europeans (Britons are no exception) have a way of not buying Tomahawks for their own money, but getting them from the States in case of a mess.
          All wars are provoked by the States and cunning Europeans prefer to save money so as not to get targets for missiles bought for hard-earned money. The states have already complained that their stock of missiles has decreased and the partners ought to have the conscience to buy for the stock themselves. But so far no one is burning with such a desire. bully
          And without the Tomahawks, the money is safe, and the second (safer line) for an "under-armed" ship, if something happens, is a good option.
          Everything was and will be so. Only retirees are torn to the first line. hi
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 23 May 2021 16: 06
            +1
            "Axes" require appropriate hardware to be used. It is impossible to bring missiles from the USA, stuff them into the airborne command of any ship and go into battle. Even type 45, "sharpened" under the gayropean CR DB if it is brought "to mind", like FREMMs. There was no talk about type 31 at all, an extremely economical option)))
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 23 May 2021 18: 23
              +1
              "Axes" require appropriate hardware to be used.

              Yes, they do. Both equipment and fittings.
              They have everything, for NATO, compatibility standards, etc.
              Both the Spaniards and anyone using the Mk-41 can launch Tomahawks. But in real life, everyone understands that where the States say, the missiles will fly there. Therefore, they do not buy. hi
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 23 May 2021 19: 08
                0
                UVP MK. 41 is not only standardized for NATO. The Japanese, Koreans, Australians have them and further down the list. But not everyone has the equipment for testing and programming the heads of the "axes". And they won't give it to just anyone, because the information can "float away"))))
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 23 May 2021 19: 09
                  0
                  All of you correctly speak about everyone. And I'm talking about NATO. wink
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 23 May 2021 19: 14
                    +1
                    I don’t think that even inside NATO, the mattress makers shared their secrets with everyone - it’s unsafe. Turkey and Hungary are good examples. Like NATO, but "on my mind." Why not pay off with mattress secrets for Moscow nishtyaks?)))
        3. user1212
          user1212 24 May 2021 05: 39
          +3
          Quote: TermNachTER
          He is a commander, i.e. "cap two". Even when he was in the service, no one really bothered about his opinion.

          It is immediately evident that they have no democracy. We have here one retired cap3 the entire Navy has already zadolbal with his nonsense, already encroaching on the Aerospace Forces and air defense. And he finds support here, at VO, although at some specialized forums of military sailors he is not remembered without a mate. But now his fantasies fit into the outlook of some immature minds. laughing
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 24 May 2021 07: 45
            0
            Well, why, everyone can write - this is not forbidden. Whether only those who make decisions will pay attention to your writing is a big question. There was a very interesting article in the New York Times, also a retired commander, only a mattress. It’s a pity I didn’t keep it, dedicated to the problems of the mattress fleet, and of course, there’s a bit of the Air Force and the Ground Forces.
    2. xorek
      xorek 23 May 2021 11: 54
      -3
      The Anglo-Saxons are in a panic from the Russians .. They feel that reckoning will come soon.
      We collected our thieves there in London. They are afraid that we will slap them there in a crowd at once. bully
      Many people want who is on duty on the "buttons", but not yet.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 May 2021 12: 50
        +4
        Quote: xorek
        We collected our thieves there in London. They are afraid that we will slap them there in a crowd at once.

        But that would be great! They thought to hide there, and bite them. ))))
        1. xorek
          xorek 23 May 2021 13: 15
          +3
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: xorek
          We collected our thieves there in London. They are afraid that we will slap them there in a crowd at once.

          But that would be great! They thought to hide there, and bite them. ))))

          They have already begun to scatter from London Elena .. They rush around the world and do not know where to calm down. We will catch and punish everyone! Let them run for now, although their Anglo-Saxons began to rip off, like sticky, Where does the capital and accounts begin to reset hehe he
          Bastards are in a hurry.
        2. Alex widerkehr
          Alex widerkehr 23 May 2021 19: 42
          +6
          Such as S. Brilev, who sang sweetly in the ears of Russians on Channel One. (Since 2001 he has been a citizen of Great Britain, which became publicly known in 2018.) President of the Global Energy Association (since February 3, 2020), member of the Presidium Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, co-founder and president of the Bering-Bellingshausen Institute (Montevideo, Uruguay), member of the Academy of Russian Television (since 2006), former member of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Brilev was expelled from the council by the decision of the Minister of Defense from On January 28, 2019 it became known that the TV presenter has British citizenship. The Kremlin noted that Brilev “did not violate anything.” Of course, what he could have violated if half of the passports of citizens of other countries were hidden. In 2009, he worked in Manchester, I was struck by the fact that in the Manchester Cathedral church there were only bibles in German and Russian. This suggests that there are many Russian-speaking parishioners. And in London, where whole houses were bought by our fellow citizens. Regular flights to London were not canceled even during the virus. And since the prohibition for officials to own real estate abroad was not included in the list of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Dozens of parliamentarians and civil servants, if banned, could lose their posts. Everyone understands that all this nonsense of a second-rank captain in retirement for the common people. That would not relax.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 23 May 2021 21: 39
            0
            Actually, this ban was included in the number of amendments. Have you read the new edition of the Constitution?
            1. Alex widerkehr
              Alex widerkehr 24 May 2021 17: 52
              +1
              The ban on the ownership of foreign real estate was not included in the draft amendments to the Constitution, as dozens of parliamentarians and officials would have had to abandon it or resign from their posts. Pavel Krasheninnikov, head of the State Duma Committee on State Construction and Legislation, told Vedomosti.
              1. Dmitriy Zhukov
                Dmitriy Zhukov 28 May 2021 10: 01
                +1
                A ban has been added for officials of different levels and deputies to possess the citizenship of a foreign state, as well as possession of a document that allows them to permanently reside in a foreign state, as well as to have an account located in banks of foreign states. That's what's really important. Not "real estate".
                1. Alex widerkehr
                  Alex widerkehr 30 May 2021 10: 21
                  -1
                  Do you yourself believe that officials will declare their accounts abroad? Americans cannot get data from the French bank BNP Paribas. Although there are the same swindlers. Do you think someone will show Russia everything?
            2. Gennady M
              Gennady M 29 May 2021 10: 05
              0
              Article 97
              1. A citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached the age of 21 and has the right to participate in elections, who permanently resides in the Russian Federation, does not have citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right of permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation on the territory of a foreign state may be elected to the State Duma. ... Deputies of the State Duma, in the manner prescribed by federal law, are prohibited from opening and having accounts (deposits), keeping cash and valuables in foreign banks located outside the territory of the Russian Federation.
          2. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A 24 May 2021 03: 01
            +1
            This Brilev was given to you, here the well-known M.M. Isaev was in the ranks of the Nazi party since 1933 and, moreover, even the Berlin tennis champion. So, if it is necessary for the business, then let Brilev at least marry Psaki, or do you have any specific incriminating evidence on him?
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 24 May 2021 05: 10
              +2
              Only M.M. Isaev fought for the Motherland, and Brilev fought for trinkets.
              1. Yuri V.A
                Yuri V.A 24 May 2021 07: 31
                0
                He has to fight for the trinkets exclusively within the framework of the assignment, according to legend. Perhaps there will even be a spy series about it.
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 27 May 2021 20: 43
                  0
                  Don't even try to pass off a criminal offense as a special operation.
                  1. Yuri V.A
                    Yuri V.A 28 May 2021 02: 46
                    0
                    And, what article do you impute to citizen S.Brilev?
              2. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 27 May 2021 19: 31
                +1
                Do you have proof? Or so OBS ...
            2. Alex widerkehr
              Alex widerkehr 24 May 2021 17: 34
              0
              There is no compromising evidence. But this man called us to patriotism and was an adviser to the Russian Defense Ministry. This is suspicious to me.
              1. Yuri V.A
                Yuri V.A 25 May 2021 01: 37
                +1
                So, what to expect from the court herald, who diligently fulfills his ration.
              2. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 27 May 2021 19: 33
                0
                Usmanov is a philanthropist, a big businessman who actually maintains our federation of rhythmic gymnastics also has English real estate and citizenship, but he is a much greater patriot than some amateurs to scandalize about our favor.
          3. Dmitriy Zhukov
            Dmitriy Zhukov 28 May 2021 10: 04
            0
            Why didn't they mention that Brilev worked in the London branch of Russian television until 2001? Those. factor explaining the presence of a journalist in the UK? You pull up the facts and methods of reporting them in a way that is beneficial to your perception of the world. You are not objective.
      2. demo
        demo 23 May 2021 14: 30
        0
        The Anglo-Saxons are in a panic from the Russians .. They feel that reckoning will come soon.
        My mother and my relatives are from Don, where a mixed Russian-Ukrainian dialect was used.
        On such occasions, when she was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo blue either, she said;
        "God bless our calves with a wedge of health."
        I think no translation is required?
        They collected our thieves there in London. They are afraid that we will slap them there in a crowd at once.
        That's why they gathered our thieves at home, to slap them themselves. hi
    3. Anachoret
      Anachoret 23 May 2021 21: 38
      +3
      the British military is not the same)
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 May 2021 11: 46
    +10
    For that, today the English squadron and the adjoining vassals from NATO will go to threaten China and threaten us on the way! Yes, so that the Chinese met them at the exit from the Red Sea, we will meet these in Mediterranean!
  3. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 23 May 2021 11: 46
    +6
    In the words of Admiral David Beatta: "Something is wrong with our ships today" :)
  4. kventinasd
    kventinasd 23 May 2021 11: 48
    +10
    I wonder if the Buyans will soon be stuffed with Zircons, what kind of mathematics will it be, and how will the small British gentlemen squeal?
    1. DeFalco
      DeFalco 25 May 2021 01: 40
      -1
      There will be interesting mathematics when you try to ensure the guidance of the "Zircons" at the enemy with a class slightly higher than the barmaley with ak.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 27 May 2021 19: 36
        0
        And how are the barmaley very different from these persons? By the way, the English ship sent to the Black Sea preferred to dump when meeting with our
        1. DeFalco
          DeFalco 7 June 2021 09: 11
          0
          And the fact that the barmaley do not have PAAMS or Sea Ceptor air defense systems. They also do not have rapid-fire anti-aircraft guns. I'm not even talking about modern maritime radars and electronic countermeasures. The screams of Russian propagandists about "great victories" over every NATO ship that entered the Black Sea have long become commonplace. However, it is difficult to explain something to a person who does not distinguish between the fight against partisans and the war with a normal enemy.
  5. K-50
    K-50 23 May 2021 11: 58
    +4
    It also begs the question why the T26 (and T31) are the only ships on the list without surface-to-surface missiles?

    How can a ship carry surface-to-surface missiles? belay
    What is it, the "difficulties" of translation or the awareness of the correspondent or interviewer? lol
    1. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint 23 May 2021 12: 09
      +4
      Quote: K-50
      It also begs the question why the T26 (and T31) are the only ships on the list without surface-to-surface missiles?

      How can a ship carry surface-to-surface missiles? belay
      What is it, the "difficulties" of translation or the awareness of the correspondent or interviewer? lol

      Rather "surface-to-surface", obviously the translation is.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 24 May 2021 15: 39
        0
        surface-to-surface
        hmm, I immediately remembered ... a bearded Soviet joke about missiles for the Syrian republic, like: "plane-plane" !!! drinks
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 27 May 2021 19: 37
      -1
      Very simple and silent.
    3. Dmitriy Zhukov
      Dmitriy Zhukov 28 May 2021 10: 06
      0
      Why are you surprised? The missiles are designed to be launched from the "at the bottom" position)
    4. Dmitriy Zhukov
      Dmitriy Zhukov 28 May 2021 10: 07
      0
      Why are you surprised? The missiles are designed to be launched from the "at the bottom" position)
  6. Niko
    Niko 23 May 2021 12: 02
    .
    Not a bad research, they will draw conclusions, it is being modernized ... and the Russian "super-armed boats" will remain boats, practically incapable of using weapons with which they are stuffed.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 23 May 2021 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: Niko
      Russian "super-armed boats" will remain boats

      This is for the independent "cutters" of unknown purpose, and the MRK means - "small rocket ship" actually. And yes, why are such conclusions about the inability of Russian ships to use their latest weapons?
      1. Niko
        Niko 23 May 2021 12: 31
        +1
        Read on. Read at least something besides the victory news. There are mountains of reports written about rearmament problems to the detriment of everything else.
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 23 May 2021 14: 14
          +2
          Here I will hold you because the majority of commentators do not have enough outlook to critically look at the problem. Here is an article where a retired former commander sees his opinion about weapons and immediately hurray the patriots write that they will drive Britov boats. The concept of a balanced ship is not known to them because what to the point of a ship where offensive weapons were sacrificed to other characteristics. And there are a lot of such examples, both foreign and domestic. Take at least the pre-war sevens weapons and speed at altitude, but the range, air defense, anti-aircraft defense and hull and mechanisms are rather weak, the same British and American destroyers They did not shine with such speeds and weapons, but they were universal and could protect the convoy from aircraft and submarines and pat the stronger enemy. But alas, Russian admirals and hurray patriots want an armed tsatsu that does not exist in the world, and the sailors do not care whether he will return from the campaign or not.
      2. Eldorado
        Eldorado 23 May 2021 12: 44
        0
        1) RTOs have no seaworthiness;
        2) low autonomy;
        3) Water cannons, because of which "Buyans" have to be constantly installed from the docks for their repair and cleaning;
        4) Lack of PLO;
        5) Lack of missile defense;
        6) Inability to use missile weapons, as there is no radar on the Buyan.
        7) the result of electronic weapons.
        This is not a ship, but a missile gunboat.
        1. kventinasd
          kventinasd 23 May 2021 12: 55
          +3
          Quote: El Dorado
          This is not a ship, but a missile gunboat.

          Did he understand what he wrote or was this a manual?
          No radar sayin?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 23 May 2021 13: 00
          0
          Quote: El Dorado
          Inability to use missile weapons, as there is no radar on the Buyan.

          Radar 5P-26M1 (MR-352M1) "Positive-M1".
          1. Runway
            Runway 23 May 2021 14: 32
            0
            In performance characteristics "plunge" - you will understand the purpose. For shock capabilities, I need an external control center.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 23 May 2021 14: 47
              -2
              Quote: WFP
              In TTX "plunge"

              Well, let's see these performance characteristics.
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 23 May 2021 15: 18
                -2
                GDPR is right. Initially, the 5P is intended for artillery, incl. Air defense. For Caliber, it is not suitable. External target designation is needed. Although it can go at short range, it has been modified for surface targets, but rather weak for a CD-based DB.
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 23 May 2021 16: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: URAL72
                  GDPR is right. Initially, the 5P is intended for artillery, incl. Air defense. For Caliber, it is not suitable. External target designation is needed. Although it can go at short range, it has been modified for surface targets, but rather weak for a CD-based DB.

                  ???? And how do you imagine a shipborne radar capable of giving target designation to a missile with a range of 3500 km? Something like "Don"?
                  1. Eldorado
                    Eldorado 23 May 2021 17: 11
                    0
                    It is quite enough "Furke" for general detection and "Monument-A" for target designation.
                  2. bk0010
                    bk0010 23 May 2021 18: 39
                    -1
                    Quote: abc_alex
                    And how do you imagine a shipborne radar capable of giving target designation to a missile with a range of 3500 km? Something like "Don"?
                    Look at the "Karakurt": it seems that it is "Brawler", but it has the best seaworthiness and can fire itself at enemy ships. This is already a ship, and not just a floating launcher, but it is just as vulnerable to enemy aircraft and submarines and costs significantly more.
                  3. URAL72
                    URAL72 23 May 2021 19: 24
                    +1
                    The article was more about anti-ship missiles, and in this version the range is about 300 km. The curvature of the earth, for your information, changes with the height of the ship's mast. So with the same radar, Peter the Great will see much further than Buyan.
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 23 May 2021 18: 06
                  0
                  Quote: URAL72
                  For Caliber, it is not suitable.
                  You have already been answered.
                  Quote: abc_alex
                  And how do you imagine a shipborne radar capable of giving target designation to a missile with a range of 3500 km?
                  On any ship, the radar will be limited by the curvature of the Earth.
                  1. abc_alex
                    abc_alex 25 May 2021 00: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    On any ship, the radar will be limited by the curvature of the Earth.

                    Thats exactly what I mean.
                    Over-the-horizon radars are somewhat non-shipborne. And according to unofficial data, the flight range of the Caliber missiles reaches 3500 km. How? :)
                    Even a 300 km range of location and target designation for the ship's radar is not feasible. From a height of 30 meters, the horizon does not exceed 50 km.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 25 May 2021 19: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: abc_alex
                      Even a 300 km range of location and target designation for the ship's radar is not feasible.

                      It was about the fact that El Dorado said that there was no radar station on Buyany at all, and they began to explain to him that it was there. Nobody said that it can be compared with the coastal ones.
            2. ZAV69
              ZAV69 25 May 2021 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: WFP
              For shock capabilities, I need an external control center.

              So if you shoot for 1000 km it is so and so external it is necessary
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 23 May 2021 15: 29
          +2
          This is not a ship, but a missile gunboat.

          Barmaley in Syria did not care that there was no air defense on Buyan when Calibers flew to them. wink
          Now there is no INF Treaty. You can solve problems in a different way.
  7. tarakan
    tarakan 23 May 2021 12: 07
    +5
    [/ b] The battle is a bloody affair. The ability to both withstand defense and lead an attack is critical and highly dependent on the "mass". To use an analogy with boxing: if you are half the size of your opponent, you will be beaten [b]
    A controversial opinion, when a "baby" anti-ship missile device has a range of 1500 km, then the mass is not important. wink
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 23 May 2021 12: 45
      0
      1500 km - this is when hitting ground targets.
      In the variant of the anti-ship missile "Caliber" it flies for 300 km.
      1. Runway
        Runway 23 May 2021 14: 34
        +4
        At the turn of control by onboard REV in 80 km ...
    2. Comrade I
      Comrade I 23 May 2021 14: 26
      +3
      But only if there will be a control center for them.
      And yes, they have a range of 300-400 km for naval targets.
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 23 May 2021 15: 04
        -2
        But only if there will be a control center for them.
        the gypsy woman will spread the deck and give out the CO?
        1. Timon2155
          Timon2155 24 May 2021 00: 57
          0
          Buyans were made to circumvent the treaty. He will not meet and fight with enemy ships.
  8. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 23 May 2021 12: 14
    +1
    The fate of Britashka is to become the new Atlantis. Humble yourself and take for granted from above ....)))
  9. Gosha Smirnov
    Gosha Smirnov 23 May 2021 12: 38
    -2
    Banal whining and fairy tales for knocking out money. In addition to the armament itself, the main and most important is the means of detection, electronic warfare, etc. Russian ships are not close to this equipment in comparison with NATO. What's the difference how many missiles you have on the ship, if Can't you use them effectively?
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 23 May 2021 13: 45
      +2
      Quote: Gosha Smirnov
      Russian ships are not even close in this equipment compared to NATO ones. What difference does it make how many missiles you have on a ship if you cannot effectively use them?

      I read the comments and once again understand what kind of specimens of all-fledged people live here. winked except for stupid populism, there are simply no thoughts on the topic, well, yes, where do they come from. Did you personally attend the tests yourself?
      1. Gosha Smirnov
        Gosha Smirnov 23 May 2021 14: 19
        -6
        I have half of my relatives from sailors, including most of the military. So, in addition to being open, etc. information, there is still someone to know something from. So historically it has developed that since the time of WW1 the Russian-Soviet fleet has sucked. The land state simply does not need a powerful fleet. This is an axiom. The exception is strategic submarines with Yao. So that you can hold your golimy hurray-n # zriotism
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 23 May 2021 15: 31
          -4
          You know why they put minuses on the fact that people are far from the military theme, although many may have served even in large positions. But teaching is one thing, and war is another where you receive specific gifts and not mephic water.
        2. Gosha Smirnov
          Gosha Smirnov 27 May 2021 00: 35
          0
          Especially for overly concerned jingoistic patriots, I recommend reading an excellent and truthful article from a fairly really patriotic site Reporter, who is not afraid of the truth. The article is called "The naval aviation of the Russian Navy was on the verge of collapse." Recommend.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 23 May 2021 14: 20
        +1
        Yes, they are roughly equal in number with the stupid uryakalka who have everything that has an analogue in the world / tear all of them, but what can we do? these are 2 extremes, both are disgusting .. But, it's good that there are enough normal people in VO, who may not justify their opinion with slogans and it is interesting at the same time, otherwise they would have left here ..
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 May 2021 13: 03
    +1
    And this is on purpose, so that later there would be no complaints, which was not enough for them. wassat
  11. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 23 May 2021 13: 47
    +1
    SOS, give me more money!
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 23 May 2021 13: 47
    +3
    The Russians place missiles on every meter of their ships ": Britain compared the Type 26 frigate with the Buyan-M MRK in terms of armament
    ... So it is ... we had fewer ships, but toothy, in all respects.
  13. isv000
    isv000 23 May 2021 13: 51
    +1
    And they are not yet aware that any Russian container truck can have a calibrated surprise ...
  14. bukhach
    bukhach 23 May 2021 16: 38
    +4
    Quote: Gosha Smirnov
    It so happened historically that since the time of WW1 the Russian-Soviet fleet has sucked. For the land state, a powerful fleet simply DOESN'T

    You say so don't talk, it was under Gorshkov that the Soviet fleet sucked? You take on a lot with this statement.
  15. abc_alex
    abc_alex 23 May 2021 17: 10
    +1

    First, there is not enough money, although recently the defense budget has been significantly increased.



    Recently, I just rush from such explanations. As you read the foreign press about Russia, so "torn to shreds", a beggar gas station, GDP like someone's village, everything is stolen. In the West, there is continuous growth and prospects, development and wealth.
    But, damn it, why the hell then they don't have enough money for government programs? Why do we poor and torn apart have money to put rockets on the ship, but they do not? :)
    Where does their GDP go? Moreover, "money is not enough" not only in Britain. The same with Poland, but it is almost a pancake not the leader of growth in the EU. But he cannot buy himself a new plane or bank, there is no money. I am silent about their gavron, which they cannot build.
    And how there is not enough US money!

    I think the British Mariman is hesitant to voice the main reason for such a strange military shipbuilding. Britain is not building its own fleet. She sees her clables exclusively as part of the NATO fleet or an auxiliary part of the US fleet.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 23 May 2021 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: abc_alex
      Where does their GDP go? Moreover, "money is not enough" not only in Britain. The same with Poland, but it is almost a pancake not the flagship of growth in the EU.

      Because they speak, and truth is as far from lies as eyes are from ears.
  16. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 23 May 2021 18: 57
    0
    Tom Sharp, retired commander
    - a distant descendant of Nicholas Sharpe? laughing
  17. URAL72
    URAL72 23 May 2021 19: 19
    0
    Do you think that they answered me? The article was more about anti-ship missiles, and in this version the range is about 300 km. The curvature of the earth, for your information, changes with the height of the ship's mast. So with the same radar, Peter the Great will see much further than Buyan.
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 24 May 2021 15: 19
      0
      Quote: URAL72
      So with the same radar, Peter the Great will see much further than Buyan.

      Only at a height of Buyan's mast of 18 m will he see a similar ship at a distance of 32 km.
      And Peter the Great with a mast height of 59 m will see the same ship as himself at a distance of 58 km. Buyan will be visible for 45 km.
      From the point of view of anti-ship missiles with a firing range of 300 km, the difference is not great.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 24 May 2021 15: 52
      -1
      changes with the height of the ship's mast
      ..., a strange statement, so, if we talk about the curvature of the Earth's surface on the fingers, then:

      1) when moving along the equator, the curvature is zero, since the equator is one of the Great Circles of the planet;
      2) if you move along the parallel of 1 degree north latitude, then formally it is no longer the Great Circle, but it is obvious that it differs very slightly from the Great Circle, therefore, the curvature, although nonzero, is about that: 0.017;
      3) when moving along the 45th parallel, the relative curvature of your travel is equal to one - this means that the radius of your turn (left or right) is equal to the radius of the planet;
      4) when moving along the 89th parallel, you move in an almost flat circle with a radius of 111 km, and the curvature is 57.
      laughing yes
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 27 May 2021 19: 54
        0
        And what was it? What does the equator have to do with it?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 28 May 2021 07: 57
          -1
          What does the equator have to do with it?
          You do not understand what is written above ??? Or are you kidding .., and then, actually, about the curvature of the surface ... repeat
  18. modius
    modius 23 May 2021 22: 04
    0
    excel didn´t work? : what:
  19. 1536
    1536 23 May 2021 22: 09
    +1
    The British have the genes to walk the seas and oceans. Only one thing is not clear, have they forgotten their own history? Francis Drake and Henry Morgan did not have large ships, but they kept the Spanish galleons stuffed with gold Indians at bay. And with success they were captured or drowned.
    Probably, American Hollywood, announcing today the winners of all times and peoples of the Americans, with its craving for the large size of everything and everyone, played a cruel joke with British psychology. History must not be forgotten, gentlemen, British! There was no USA at that time, alas ... Then Britain was equal to itself.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 24 May 2021 15: 46
      -1
      Francis Drake and Henry Morgan
      Well, Drake's "Golden Hind" .., so it's not MRK, in modern times ... there is closer to a light cruiser or a heavy frigate:

      And Morgan, in general, has a whole KUG, from:
      Gathering a flotilla of twelve ships with a team of British and French totaling up to seven hundred people, Morgan attacked the city of Puerto del Principe on the island of Cuba
  20. MsG363
    MsG363 23 May 2021 23: 48
    +2
    What nonsense is it, how you can compare the combat capabilities of ships of different ranks, dumping them in one heap and displaying the average temperature in the hospital. And even without taking into account the weapons standing on them, including radio-technical ones. Some kind of amateurish approach. And the fact that at the Royal Nevi half of the ships are disarmed due to the lack of the required ammunition, even on the nuclear submarine has long been known. And judging by the video, it is clear that this is not a frigate, although it was called that way, the maximum is a patrol ship. Apparently everything is needed, there is no money, so they tried to sculpt something incomprehensible
  21. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 24 May 2021 01: 10
    0
    "... are the only ships on the list without surface-to-surface missiles?"
    Elementary Watson! Ships have surface-to-surface missiles fool
    This Sharpe is generally a real cap or two, or stood next to ...?
  22. Zhevlonenko
    Zhevlonenko 24 May 2021 05: 43
    0
    And nothing is a brawler up to 1000 tons, and T26 is 5500 somehow not correct.
  23. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 24 May 2021 12: 07
    0
    Zumvalt 7 was set, this despite the fact that they seem to be rushing about and cannot determine the optimal set and how to arm it in general. And in the ranking one of the most for some reason. Playing along with your older brother? Or the youngest? Although who can understand them in their incest.
  24. Intruder
    Intruder 24 May 2021 15: 37
    -1
    To use a boxing analogy: if you are half the size of your opponent, you will be beaten
    a chaotic analogy and vicious, and if an opponent who is light and fast has brass knuckles, il cold, then the carcass of the enemy and rather quickly ... turns into a calm liver!
  25. DmSol
    DmSol 25 May 2021 08: 33
    0
    Now it is clear how the name Klimov is translated into English.