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During exercises in Alaska, F-15 aircraft with electronic warfare systems "cleared the way" for F-35 stealth fighters

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Some details of the US Air Force exercises in Alaska have become known. In military exercises aviation in the northernmost American state, various types of aircraft participated.


According to the latest data, the EPAWSS system was used during the maneuvers. The first deliveries of this system to the US Air Force were carried out in the past (2020) year. The EPAWSS system is designed for electronic countermeasures and suppression. When a potentially dangerous (unknown) source of an electronic signal is detected, it launches an aircraft protection algorithm. Also, the system is able to carry out jamming itself, for example, for surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles. The program itself to implement such a system in the United States is estimated at $ 4 billion. Aircraft in the United States will be equipped with such an electronic warfare system over the next 8 years.

It is known that the use of EPAWSS systems was carried out from the sides of F-15 aircraft. The pilots used jamming to reportedly "clear the way for F-35 fighters."

According to the scenario of the exercise, the F-15 aircraft acted as a means of breaking through the enemy's air defense system, and the fifth generation F-35 fighters of the US Air Force struck directly at targets, including conditionally destroying the infrastructure facilities of the "enemy" on the ground.



Based on the results of the exercises, the American military command praised the interaction of the pilots and the use of electronic warfare systems. The EPAWSS system is said to have prevented the fictitious enemy from inflicting damage on the F-35 fighters.

At the same time, the question arose: why influence the air defense objects of a certain conditional enemy, if the F-35s are positioned as "invisible" fighters? The very fact of using EPAWSS indicates that the US Air Force is no longer betting on the "invisibility" of its fifth generation fighter.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 21 May 2021 09: 21
    +2
    During exercises in Alaska, F-15 aircraft with electronic warfare systems "cleared the way" for F-35 stealth fighters
    ... Well, yes, they are preparing .... radishes, experimenting.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 21 May 2021 09: 30
      +16
      Svuchit is already delusional. Cleared the way for invisible fighters))) or are they invisible if you close your eyes? And the king is naked laughing
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 21 May 2021 09: 49
        +4
        Quote: vkl.47
        Svuchit already delusional. Cleared the way for invisible fighters))) or are they invisible if you close your eyes? And the king is naked laughing
        This is only part of the operation, after that the ground troops clear the path, and only then the invisible ones fly and low, low ...
      2. knn54
        knn54 21 May 2021 09: 49
        +6
        - why influence air defense objects of some conventional enemy, if the F-35 are positioned as "invisible" fighters?
        It's just that not everyone knows ... that he is "invisible".
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 21 May 2021 10: 00
          +1
          Quote: knn54
          It's just that not everyone knows ... that he is "invisible".

          The obsolete Soviet anti-aircraft missile system S-125 "Pechora" gives its ardent greetings to the "Lame dwarf" F-117, in honor of the meeting on March 27, 1999 in Yugoslavia hi
          1. Raven 95
            Raven 95 21 May 2021 10: 28
            +11
            Quote: Terenin
            The outdated Soviet anti-aircraft missile system S-125 "Pechora" gives its ardent greetings

            And what did this case give us?
            From that moment on, the S-125 became a standard air defense system against the F-117? There is a line of buyers from all over the world behind him?
            Or so there were circumstances in a particular place at a particular time. And theoretically, a fighter can be shot down from a three-line, if you're lucky, of course. hi
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 21 May 2021 11: 44
              0
              Quote: Raven-95
              And what did this case give us?

              You do not know, but I am satisfied with the wreckage of the F-117.
            2. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 21 May 2021 12: 34
              +5
              If such a case occurred in a country where there were three medium-range air defense divisions. And two squadrons of fighters, one of which is for a moment-21. How many such cases will there be if the enemy is more serious?
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 21 May 2021 09: 52
        +5
        They will not do it in vain .... it will / will not work, we will see.
        So they work out a complex attack and against a not very well equipped enemy it should work!
        Against a serious enemy, with a serious air defense, the effectiveness will not be great. We'll see.
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 May 2021 11: 53
          +4
          Better only in theory ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 May 2021 14: 43
            +3
            In practice, they attack a weaker adversary ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 May 2021 17: 00
              +4
              And then they try first to bribe the highest military ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 21 May 2021 17: 20
                +2
                The holistic approach ... they learned that from their cousins.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 21 May 2021 17: 25
                  +4
                  Yes, especially since they have no problems with money ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 May 2021 17: 41
                    +1
                    No, no, money is not an infinite resource either ... there are limits.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 21 May 2021 17: 54
                      +4
                      For these purposes, they do not regret ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 May 2021 18: 38
                        +1
                        How to say ... we do not know about all their military, financial "kitchen", but there was some infa, that infa was not so abundantly ready to pour into the Armed Forces.
                        Let's see, in short.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 21 May 2021 19: 10
                        +4
                        For their dead and wounded, they will pay much more money, so they try to bribe the enemy, it's cheaper ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 May 2021 20: 01
                        +1
                        In this way, at a low cost, it is not always possible.
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 21 May 2021 21: 13
                        +4
                        Of course, it's not clear. who is fighting for what, and even more so for thousands of miles ...
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 21 May 2021 10: 51
    +2
    Quote: vkl.47
    Svuchit is already delusional. Cleared the way for invisible fighters))) or are they invisible if you close your eyes? And the king is naked laughing

    It's just that the author of the article is ignorant and has a very mediocre relationship to military topics. Initially stupid question
  • Terenin
    Terenin 21 May 2021 09: 53
    +2
    During exercises in Alaska

    And, with what fright the United States rattles its weapons in Russian Alaska? Protest! negative
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 21 May 2021 10: 21
      -2
      A delusion in fact, the king sold it, alas.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 May 2021 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: Victor Tsenin
        A delusion in fact, the king sold it, alas.

        I consider the deal to be invalid No.
  • cniza
    cniza 21 May 2021 11: 52
    +7
    Quote: rocket757
    During exercises in Alaska, F-15 aircraft with electronic warfare systems "cleared the way" for F-35 stealth fighters
    ... Well, yes, they are preparing .... radishes, experimenting.


    Good time! hi

    If so objectively - a very correct tactic ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 May 2021 14: 48
      +4
      Welcome soldier
      You can't think of the minke whales stupid more stupidly.
      A couple, three countries defended themselves, bristled like an adult! Stripes are looking for a "opener" against just such an opponent ...
      They will find / no, we will not guess, we just do not stand still and develop our capabilities in all directions!
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 May 2021 17: 01
        +3
        Uh-huh, they will never go through ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 May 2021 17: 21
          +1
          Not ahead, but they are too clever. However, after going through all the unsuccessful options, they can find the right one.
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 May 2021 17: 28
            +4
            They have proven regulations and they follow them clearly, by priority ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 May 2021 17: 39
              +1
              Regulations, regulations, but they are looking for new options as well!
              Keep your eyes open!
              1. cniza
                cniza 21 May 2021 17: 40
                +3
                There is no other way with them, otherwise they will bite off to their ears ...
  • xorek
    xorek 21 May 2021 16: 32
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    During exercises in Alaska, F-15 aircraft with electronic warfare systems "cleared the way" for F-35 stealth fighters
    ... Well, yes, they are preparing .... radishes, experimenting.

    They sensed something ..))) The lease has already ended a long time ago, so they are occupiers there under international law .. laughing
    Moreover, Putin recently promised to "knock out his teeth" who will rock the boat
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 May 2021 17: 22
      +1
      Everything is complicated / simple, but it will not be decided right tomorrow ...
      1. xorek
        xorek 22 May 2021 05: 49
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        Everything is complicated / simple, but it will not be decided right tomorrow ...

        Well, very submissive Victor! And you need to hint constantly .. They tell us about the Crimea OUR, and we told them about Alaska, etc. .. hi
        PS By the way, the Russian Empire was the first to recognize the United States as a state (on its own head)))))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 May 2021 09: 24
    +1
    F 15 is the source of the radar signal, and the penguin is the receiver?
    1. figwam
      figwam 21 May 2021 10: 11
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      F 15 radar signal source

      Will be shot down first.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 May 2021 10: 17
        +2
        This is his fate, but if he turns on the penguin, he will receive a Russian rocket under his hanging-assed tail, and maybe in his beak!
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 21 May 2021 09: 27
    -1
    At the same time, the question arose: why influence the air defense objects of a certain conditional enemy, if the F-35s are positioned as "invisible" fighters?

    who? from the author?
  • Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 21 May 2021 09: 29
    +5
    At the same time, the question arose: why influence the air defense objects of a certain conditional enemy, if the F-35s are positioned as "invisible" fighters? The very fact of using EPAWSS indicates that the US Air Force no longer relies on the "invisibility" of its fifth generation fighter
    The question, as I understand it, arose from the author of this opus laughing Well, I will answer - NOBODY and NEVER said that aircraft with stealth technology, like the F-35, are invisible. This is an aircraft with REDUCED (and not completely absent) radar signature. Stealth technology allows him to act with greater efficiency, but, of course, does not make him invulnerable to air defense
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 May 2021 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: Freemason
      NO ONE and NEVER said that stealth aircraft like the F-35 are invisible

      Come on ... they said, they said, different shots on different occasions! The question is that you can blurt out different things, and then let them understand / translate as they want ...
      To put it right, stealth, this is the technology of reducing radar and other visibility ... but they like to translate / repeat as invisible! And here the flight of imagination is different for everyone.
      So sho the specialist understands everything, but the layman, he is on his own mind ...
    2. figwam
      figwam 21 May 2021 10: 09
      +4
      Quote: Freemason
      well, I will answer - NOBODY and NEVER

      How is it ever ?! ALWAYS! from each iron we have been sniffing this bullshit for years that EPR F-22 0,0001 (which the Americans will write off in the coming years as unnecessary), and EPR F-35 0,0005, which corresponds to a tennis ball in the sky, the Americans relied on invisibility, and we are super-maneuverable and we were right.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 May 2021 15: 00
        0
        You will not check, you will not know!
        If the F22 was designed as a serious air fighter with improved stealth characteristics, then the F35 is something else. Another tactic, another infrastructure for ensuring the combat process ... they did not complete it, they did not bring it to mind, this is another question, but the idea was interesting and DANGEROUS for their adversary.
        The mistake of underestimating the enemy is a dangerous business ... by the way, they made the same mistake !!! They underestimated the capabilities of the enemy, and they prepared very unpleasant "surprises" for him! leveling advantages of their imperfections
        Does not matter. They do not stand still and will continue to experiment !!! We, who else, should take measures in advance so that we, the Yankees, would not be presented with an unpleasant surprise!
      2. smoltish
        smoltish 22 May 2021 10: 31
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Freemason
        well, I will answer - NOBODY and NEVER

        How is it ever ?! ALWAYS! from each iron we have been sniffing this bullshit for years that EPR F-22 0,0001 (which the Americans will write off in the coming years as unnecessary), and EPR F-35 0,0005, which corresponds to a tennis ball in the sky, the Americans relied on invisibility, and we are super-maneuverable and we were right.

        Turned out to be right ??? Did we take part in a global conflict with the use of F-22, F-35 and Su-57 ?? Then I will ask for the results of battles, losses.
        I don't want to test it in practice. The concepts are different, but no one can yet reliably and objectively say who is right, even specialists and aircraft designers. There are estimates, they are different. Only practice can show. But I would not want to. I am for world peace.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 21 May 2021 09: 32
    +5
    As I said, the F-35 is not a fig, not a fighter, and not even an MFI. This is a light strike aircraft of the "clear" sky. An aircraft of a completely dead-end development branch at an exorbitant price. The concept of our pre-war Su-2 (Ivanov) proved this immediately after the beginning of the Second World War. Hanging huge containers of electronic warfare on the most flyable aircraft of the United States (F-15) is out of desperation. They now have an F-15 auto-moto-bike-photo-TV-radio monitor. It will go against an obviously weaker enemy, but not against an equal.
    1. Freemason Mason
      Freemason Mason 21 May 2021 09: 38
      -4
      In your opinion, $ 87 million for the latest fighter jet is an exorbitant price? Let me remind you that all modern 4+ generation aircraft - Eurofighter, Rafale, F-15 and F / A-18 Super Hornet - cost significantly more than $ 100 million. About the fact that the 35th plane of the "clear" sky is nothing more than your speculation. One gets the feeling that some of the commentators got stuck in 2010, when it was believed that stealth and the 5th generation of fighters were an unnecessary luxury.
      1. Yrec
        Yrec 21 May 2021 09: 52
        +4
        87 million? Truth? Have you seen a discount at Magnet? This is the price without an engine, at its best. The engine was recorded in a consumable, so that the layman would not be shocked by the final price, and it goes as a separate item in the aircraft budget. And what about 2010, when the F-35 was built and its STATED characteristics appeared, its possible use became obvious to me. And for more than 10 years this confidence has only grown stronger.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 May 2021 10: 03
          +3
          87 million is the purchase price of the F-35A for the US Air Force
          including engine.
          The engine costs 11 million. For some foreign buyers,
          who assemble the F-35 themselves, indicate the price, not including the engine.
          1. Yrec
            Yrec 21 May 2021 13: 25
            0
            Yeah, I saw the price of the last batch. But where to write down the cost of the development and debugging program in 1.5 trillion dollars? Which, by the way, is not over yet. Somewhere I saw the estimated size of the f-35 series, something about 2600 units, let it be 3000 units. By simple calculations, we get $ 500 million for one piece, provided that the entire series is built, EVEN WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF BUILDING at least one aircraft.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 21 May 2021 14: 42
              +1
              The aircraft is intensively going for export - there is a queue for 7 years ahead. Service, training of pilots, weapons, spare parts.
              The money is returned. It is necessary to count correctly. wink
              1. Yrec
                Yrec 24 May 2021 08: 46
                0
                Such money can never be returned. But for mattresses this is not a problem - new ones will be printed.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 21 May 2021 10: 03
          +3
          In the first batches, the price was written without engines, the engine itself seemed to cost 24 million. Now such a price tag is already a price tag with an engine. At least that's what they write. But the fact that Rafale and Eurofighter are more expensive is true. They have a small series, this affects and there is no less work on production.
      2. Yves762
        Yves762 21 May 2021 10: 02
        +2
        Quote: Freemason
        About the fact that the 35th plane of the "clear" sky is nothing more than your speculation. It seems that some of the commentators got stuck in 2010, when it was believed that stealth and the 5th generation of fighters were an unnecessary luxury.


        .. ~ ..what.. ~ ..

        "The F-35 remains, in every sense, nothing more than an expensive prototype launched into mass production," says Dan Grazer, a government oversight officer. based on the latest US Department of Defense report.

        - https://rg.ru/2021/03/01/forbes-vvs-ssha-priznali-proval-proekta-f-35.html

        "The stone flower does not come out ..." - even the bourgeoisie understand this. lol
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 21 May 2021 09: 32
    +3
    Yes, as in that song (what if someone sees). Electronic warfare systems are constantly being modernized. Such systems are equipped with all means of defense and attack - tanks, aircraft, missiles. Where you lag behind means you lose. Our developers of these systems are in the forefront.
  • askort154
    askort154 21 May 2021 09: 33
    +8
    The United States sold hundreds of F-35s to its allies. Now they will vparivat F-15 with EPAWSS, admitting that
    "invisibility" without this is not what is spelled out in his advertisement. crying
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 21 May 2021 09: 56
    +2
    "They don't bet on invisibility," but did they? F-117 also flew along with various jammers, and under the cover of fighters.
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 May 2021 10: 01
      +3
      The very fact of using EPAWSS indicates that the US Air Force is no longer betting on the "invisibility" of its fifth generation fighter.

      This suggests that they are making this bet and are working on new schemes of application.
      In the conditions of using electronic warfare, the input paths of receivers, including radars, are roughened up in one way or another to cancel out interference, which reduces the reliability of detection and reduces the range at which stealthy aircraft can be detected.
      In the case of subtle ones with low ESR, the use of electronic warfare is especially effective.
      F-117 also flew together with various jammers

      That's why they flew.
  • akropin
    akropin 21 May 2021 10: 05
    +1
    Keywords
    When a potentially dangerous (unknown) source of an electronic signal is detected, it launches an aircraft protection algorithm.

    The algorithm of such a system has been written over the years for specific analytics. 5 years maximum and the system will require complete replacement.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 May 2021 10: 08
    +3
    The F-35 has its own electronic warfare system built into the radar.
    But EW suspended containers have a higher power.
    Therefore, it is more profitable to use powerful specialized
    containers EW Growler F-18 or this new system on the F-15,
    than to distract the resources of the F-35 radar on interference.
    At sea, the Americans have long been practicing joint
    attacks of enemy ships with F-18 and F-35 aircraft,
    taking advantage of everyone's advantage.
    Now they are working on the F-15 and F-35 bundles.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 May 2021 11: 25
      +2
      This is not the only point. Some missiles can go to the source of interference.
      Attempting to light up the rocket head will cause it to see the target more clearly and fly straight towards it. If the electronic warfare is not the Khibiny, of course, there this problem is solved in such a way that they send false signals, and the radar sees false targets. Which are not, but the real one is somewhere among them.
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 May 2021 23: 12
        -1
        is called "distraction".
        Americans have been using it for a long time.
        And there is also a towed false target, the industry in the States has been producing them in large quantities for a long time.
        https://topwar.ru/12650-buksiruemye-lozhnye-celi-raytheon-v-ale-50.html
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 22 May 2021 06: 35
          0
          I heard about a towed decoy target. But for me it's easier to take a small container with foil. Here, a false target and a normal flight will not interfere with you.
          1. Avior
            Avior 22 May 2021 08: 25
            +1
            Doppler selection eliminates such interference
            Towed traps create active interference, they emit a signal that simulates an aircraft, but much higher in level
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 22 May 2021 08: 51
              0
              This is also true, but there are nuances with towed traps that can play a cruel joke. Aircraft with such a trap have speed and maneuver limitations, and fighters have a bad habit of approaching targets for reliable identification. The limitations of the carrier's plane will help a lot with this. If we consider that Ols are now helping in recognition, then this will happen at a fairly decent distance.
              1. Avior
                Avior 22 May 2021 09: 48
                -1
                Each task has its own tactics and means of protection
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 May 2021 12: 10
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      than to distract the resources of the F-35 radar on interference.

      laughing laughing laughing
      Well, yes, it's all so tender:
      So dazzling early on
      The sun in the sky hangs above the ground
      I'd like to get it from heaven for you
      But what to do - it's hard to get up in the morning ...

      Song of Pierrot from the movie "The Adventures of Buratino".
      Here, too, a tabby cat and a star-studded fox bred kosher Pinocchio. yes
    3. Artem76
      Artem76 21 May 2021 13: 43
      0
      I'm not a specialist in this area, but maybe you can explain it then. I don’t understand what is the essence of such a bundle. I understand when, for example, the SU-34 (SU-24) will go together under the cover of the SU-35 (SU-30), that is, the fighter accompanies and covers a heavier aircraft carrying a heavier combat load. And in their case, the opposite is true, the F-15, as an aircraft heavier and capable of carrying a large combat load, covers a flabby duckling so that he blows his nose at his 4th racket? As I understand it, we are talking about a breakthrough of air defense, to strike at ground targets, because the F-35 is positioned as an attack aircraft in this case. This is absurd, as it seems to me.
      1. Light
        Light 21 May 2021 13: 59
        -1
        I have exactly the same question) Nakoy, in this bundle, they took a penguin as a drummer, if the F-15 will take more loads and cheaper to operate.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 May 2021 14: 39
        +2
        "so that he blows his nose his 4th rackets?" ///
        ---
        He blows his nose with precision bombs very carefully - up to 1 m KVO. This saves tons of explosives and dozens of combat missions. And the air defense starts to shoot after explosions on the ground.
        1. Artem76
          Artem76 21 May 2021 14: 47
          0
          I heard. But doubts remained, to go through an echeloned air defense system like that of the Russian Federation, what would bombs with 1m KVO throw? Strange, but what about the tactics of the US Air Force - to hit targets without entering the air defense zone? Again, it turns out to be an absurdity with "theirs bunch", he can throw bombs only at the "conditional Papuans", and without entering the air defense zone, he is just a duck with 4 rackets, rather on the catch. Then it's easy to send an F-15. In general, doubts remained, ... something like that ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 May 2021 14: 59
            +1
            The F-35 deeply enters the air defense zone. The most intense. And flies away without dust and noise. For this they buy it, despite the small ammunition of bombs.
            The F-15 will take 10 times more bombs, but the S-300/400 will knock them down in equal conditions, half, if not more.
            Noisy attack with heavy losses.
            The EPR of the F-15 (like the Su-27/30/35) is very large.
            Like the F-16 with all the pylons.
            1. Light
              Light 21 May 2021 15: 19
              -1
              Well, since the F-35 is so good, why send an F-15 with them, if they are shot down and they will light up the whole operation ahead of time? Probably all the same, not such an inconspicuous penguin, as they say.
              1. Avior
                Avior 21 May 2021 23: 14
                0
                The operation will be exposed, and the F-35s themselves will be even more hidden.
                F-15s with electronic warfare will not enter the air defense zone, and the F-35, when exposed to electronic warfare, will become even less noticeable.
            2. Artem76
              Artem76 21 May 2021 15: 33
              0
              I doubt that he will enter as deeply into the zone of our air defense as you wrote without noise and dust, but we can only learn about this in real actions, which I hope I will never see. And the same question, accompanied then it is still not removed, if the F-15 is shot down, then it will only "light up" the attack itself. What's the point? (Svetovit has the same question). And doubts as they were and remained, however ...
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 21 May 2021 16: 09
                +1
                "if the F-15 is knocked down, it will only" light up "the attack itself" ///
                ---
                Will flash a pseudo-attack. F-15 will create "decoys". Interference. And distract attention. It's never superfluous. Ligaments F-18 Growler and F-35 also work against air defense of ships.
                1. Light
                  Light 21 May 2021 16: 46
                  -1
                  You are positioning the F-35 as such a ninja that will fly unnoticed, bomb and fly away. And with the F-15 it will be the same "noisy" attack, with an orchestra and flowers. And the enemy organizes a meeting as expected, also with his aircraft.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 21 May 2021 17: 24
                    +1
                    When a raid on an important single target or two is nizdja. When a massive attack is planned, there are many targets, other types of aircraft are attracted. There are different types of attacks and different types of exercises. The variety of tactics does not get in the way.
                    1. Light
                      Light 21 May 2021 17: 42
                      0
                      I believe that the use of their solo is designed to counter the air defense of the conditional "Papuans", and for serious opponents, the interaction of significant forces will be required. Tales of how the F-35 single-handedly deals with modern layered air defense, this is of course marketing noodles.
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 21 May 2021 17: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Bright
                        And fairy tales, how the F-35 alone deals with modern layered air defense, this is of course marketing noodles.

                        Except for journalists and some commentators, no one talks about this.

                        Layered air defense with fighters and AWACS needs to be opened with an even larger detachment of forces.
                      2. Light
                        Light 21 May 2021 18: 23
                        -1
                        In fact, there are enough people who think that this is some kind of magic wunderwolf, which will do everything by itself. It is not yet clear that this is far from always, and a lot of things are still needed in addition to the penguin.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 May 2021 10: 15
    0
    "Based on the results of the exercises, the American military command praised the interaction of the pilots and the use of electronic warfare systems. It is argued that the EPAWSS system did not allow the simulated enemy to inflict damage on the F-35 fighters." (from) what What kind of a flawed fighter, a FIGHTER, Karl, so that other vehicles would clear the "road" for him ?! It's just some kind of holiday!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 21 May 2021 10: 55
      0
      What kind of a flawed fighter, a FIGHTER, Karl, so that other vehicles would clear the "road" for him ?! It's just some kind of holiday!
      Fundamentally, this is not the case - this is the growth of technologies in radio engineering and microelectronics, and the latest academic research in radiophysics of the electromagnetic spectrum, plus computational capabilities have grown in processing complex signals at the level of noise (of various types) in three-dimensional space, there is now an area: SDR / DDC with DPU - runs the show, in the last 10 years already, so we decided to make sure in advance that we can say good fellows, but we ... and there is no such thing in the future, and even more so on flight tests, as well as a similar class of complexes in avionics for MIGs and Dry! crying
  • Intruder
    Intruder 21 May 2021 10: 50
    0
    At the same time, the question arose: why influence the air defense objects of a certain conditional enemy, if the F-35s are positioned as "invisible" fighters? The very fact of using EPAWSS indicates that the US Air Force is no longer betting on the "invisibility" of its fifth generation fighter.
    "Not always" and not in all ranges of the radio spectrum, this technology is applicable, as time has shown, there is no absolute in it, just low visibility is not equal to invisibility, as marketers and journalists sing, with appropriate efficiency in a real battle, so they decided to "clear the way ... ", in front of more expensive 35s, with shock functionality for land and sea targets, elementary reinsurance!
  • yfast
    yfast 21 May 2021 10: 58
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Now they are working on the F-15 and F-35 bundles.
    Why the F-15? Why not hang it on a special F-35, if it's kind of universal and kind of hard to see? The F-15 will tell everyone "we are mulberries, look carefully."
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 May 2021 23: 17
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      There's no point. The work of electronic warfare unmasks the plane, but jamming the air defense.
      The detection range of the F-35 in such conditions drops sharply.
  • cniza
    cniza 21 May 2021 11: 50
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    At the same time, the question arose: why influence the air defense objects of a certain conditional enemy, if the F-35s are positioned as "invisible" fighters? The very fact of using EPAWSS indicates that the US Air Force is no longer betting on the "invisibility" of its fifth generation fighter.


    Good question, but they won't answer it ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 21 May 2021 22: 37
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      Quote: cniza
      At the same time, the question arose: why influence the air defense objects of a certain conditional enemy, if the F-35s are positioned as "invisible" fighters? The very fact of using EPAWSS indicates that the US Air Force is no longer betting on the "invisibility" of its fifth generation fighter.


      Good question, but they won't answer it ...

      Victor, hi I will give the answer. He will be completely invisible when he stands in the hangar with the engine turned off. yes
  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 May 2021 12: 06
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    And what happened to the F-35, the standard electronic warfare system ASQ-239 does not cope? After all, almost a breakthrough in electronics was announced there.
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 21 May 2021 12: 07
    +1
    > At the same time, the question arose

    Naturally, this is not a question of his competence as a news writer on military topics, whether such a deep reflection was worth expecting.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 May 2021 12: 16
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    if the F-35s are positioned as stealth fighters belay They are invisible and one stands like two railway carriages crammed with silver what Filled with meat?
  • Light
    Light 21 May 2021 13: 35
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    And why is the F-35 needed in this bundle at all? Isn't it better to do with the F-15 alone, some with electronic warfare, others with weapons, you can load them much more than penguins. Or they expect the F-15 to be suicide bombers anyway, it's not clear.
    1. Synoid
      Synoid 21 May 2021 15: 52
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      In terms of strategy, it looks like the F-15 is a bargaining chip.
      The task is to jam + launch false targets, open air defense radars, illuminate possible targets with your radar.
      The F-35 is most likely with a passively operating radar, hoping for stealth to get lost in this chaos and deliver pinpoint strikes.
      1. Light
        Light 21 May 2021 16: 41
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        It is very similar to the truth, I would then for these purposes: electronic warfare, opening the positions of air defense and interceptors using slave drones, they are not so sorry. Soon it will probably be so.
  • smoltish
    smoltish 22 May 2021 10: 20
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    "why influence air defense objects of some conventional enemy, if the F-35 are positioned as" invisible "fighters" is a strange question for a specialist (or an author who had to figure it out before writing an article).
    It's not 100% invisible)), it's just that its RCS is much lower than the "classic" aircraft. This was done, if very briefly, to increase the chances of an air defense breakthrough and survivability. Well, the use of electronic warfare makes the chances of an air defense breakthrough even higher. Everything is very simple and straightforward. It is strange that basic things are not understood.
  • smoltish
    smoltish 22 May 2021 10: 26
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    Quote: knn54
    - why influence air defense objects of some conventional enemy, if the F-35 are positioned as "invisible" fighters?
    It's just that not everyone knows ... that he is "invisible".

    It's just that not everyone knows about stealth technologies and why they are used. Jokes about invisibility are ridiculous. No one has ever claimed that they are completely invisible. And the question of "impact on air defense objects" when using stealth is very clear. Both stealth technology and the use of electronic warfare are used to increase the chances of overcoming air defense, to reduce aviation losses. Combined with stealth + AA, it significantly reduces the chances of interception. If Americans are so stupid, why are we developing stealth technology and electronic warfare? Well, everything seems to be simple and clear.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 24 May 2021 13: 47
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    The F-35 has its own electronic warfare system built into the radar.
    But EW suspended containers have a higher power.

    - Power not above. But the coverage is 360 ° and the range of suppressed radars is much wider.
    Therefore, it is more profitable to use powerful specialized
    containers EW Growler F-18 or this new system on the F-15,
    than to distract the resources of the F-35 radar on interference.

    - This is also true, although not the main thing in this case, it's just that its own F-35 radar is capable (if necessary) of suppressing enemy radars / radars only in the 8-12 GHz range (3.75-2.5 cm), while ground-based radars have much wider.
    At sea, the Americans have long been practicing joint
    attacks of enemy ships with F-18 and F-35 aircraft,
    taking advantage of everyone's advantage.
    Now they are working on the F-15 and F-35 bundles.

    - Right.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 24 May 2021 13: 56
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    Quote: Bright
    Well, since the F-35 is so good, why send an F-15 with them, if they are shot down and they will light up the whole operation ahead of time? Probably all the same, not such an inconspicuous penguin, as they say.

    - They don't fly TOGETHER. F-15s with their electronic warfare stations go much further behind the F-35, tens of kilometers, perhaps a hundred. Their task is to create a cover zone for really stealthy F-35s creeping up ahead, which strike while in the coverage zone of electronic warfare means. The F-15 aircraft, coming so close to the enemy air defense radar, could not remain invisible to them at the same distance.