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Tudor weapons and armor

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Tudor weapons and armor
What is so good about the Soviet film "Twelfth Night" of 1955 is that, in addition to the excellent acting, you can still see equally beautiful costumes there, and weapon the era of Shakespeare and Tudor England


"Having turned the property into armor
And on myself carrying my legacy "
(William Shakespeare "King John")

Museum collections of knightly armor and weapons. In the previous article devoted to the English armor of the Tudor era, we began to consider the armor of Henry VIII, and it was expressed the wishes that the story about them would be continued in order to, if possible, cover all his armor that has come down to our time. And gradually all this will be fulfilled.

Well, today, the collection of the Metropolitan Museum in New York will help us get acquainted with the armor and swords of the era of the same Henry VIII.


Luxurious gilded armor, probably belonging to King Henry VIII of England (1509-1547). Dated to 1527. This is the earliest dated armor from the royal workshops in Greenwich, which was founded in 1515 by Henry VIII to produce armor for himself and his court. It is also the earliest Greenwich set, an armor made of a number of interchangeable elements with which it could be adapted for use in combat and in various tournaments. In addition, the overall engraving and gilding make it one of the most ornate pieces of armor in Greenwich. The author of the decor is the Swiss artist of German origin Hans Holbein the Younger (1497-1543), who worked at the English court from 1526 to 1528. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


Replaceable elements of this armor have survived - an additional breastplate with a spear support for use in the field or in an equestrian tournament with spears; left-handed manifold (special armor for the arm), also used in tournaments with spears; and right lockable glove for equestrian tournament with swords


Inside view of the bib


Lance hook separately

But today, first of all, we will pay attention to the weapons of that period, which, like armor, also makes sense to talk about.

Let's start with the sword, since it still remained perhaps the most highly esteemed weapon of the people of the noble class. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, he still had a long and powerful blade with a sharp point, designed for stabbing blows, but at the same time his width (like sharpening) was enough to hack down his opponent. As before, the hilt of the sword was a cross, with a wooden hilt wrapped in cloth or leather, usually wrapped in a cord or wire.


Sword 1600-1625 with the blade of the master Clemens Horn. It is an excellent example of a fashionable sword worn by noblemen in England during the time of King James I. The silver grips on the hilt were made by an unknown London master and are masterpieces of miniature relief sculpture. The richly engraved and gilded blade was signed by Clemens Horn, a renowned craftsman from Solingen, Germany. Dimensions: length - 99,7 cm; blade length - 76,8 cm; crosshair width - 22,2 cm; weight - 1093 g


Close up of his hilt

The pommel of the handle has traditionally served as a counterweight to the blade. A properly balanced blade could be worked with less hand fatigue during fencing. Even at the beginning of the third quarter of the XNUMXth century, such swords were still in use. However, at the same time, rings began to appear on some infantry swords to protect the fingers falling on the ricasso - the blunt part of the blade behind the crosshair. But by the middle of the century, rings appeared on the blade itself, and side rings on the crosshair, which provided increased protection for the fighter's hand in battle. And at the same time, rapiers appear. Moreover, they were often longer and heavier than swords!


Rapier of Elector Christian II of Saxony (1583-1611), circa 1606 The handle is the only recorded work of the Dresden master Israel Schuech. This is one of the finest examples of such weapon hilts for which the Saxon court was famous. Dimensions: length - 121,9 cm; blade length - 104,8 cm; crosshair width - 17,2 cm; weight - 1474 g

The "estoc" sword was also spread in England at this time, where it was simply called "so". His blade could have three or even four edges without sharpening, but the edge was like a bayonet. They could act with two hands, passing the blade through the left, clenched into a fist. With a glove, of course ... Ordinary soldiers could have a sword and a "buckler" - a small round shield.


Estok. End of the 122,2th century Saxony. Length - 106,9 cm; blade length - 27,3 cm; crosshair width - 1615,9 cm; weight - XNUMX g


Rapier from Germany at the beginning of the 117,6th century. Length - 101,3 cm; blade length - 28,9 cm; crosshair width - 1616 cm; weight - XNUMX g

High quality blades usually came to England from Toledo in Spain, from northern Italy and from Germany - Passau and Solingen. Interestingly, the marks on the blades do little to say how widespread their counterfeiting was. The belt on the hips, characteristic of knightly effigies of 1400, was replaced 100 years later by a sling. Sometimes a ribbon or cord was threaded through a hole in the head of the hilt, or more traditionally wrapped around the handle.


Rapier with scabbard 1540 g. Length - 110,2 cm; blade length - 97,2 cm


Her hilt

The scabbard was usually made of two boards, covered with leather, as well as canvas or velvet. Often the customer of the scabbard demanded to arrange them in such a way that the color and finish would match his clothes, therefore sometimes several scabbards were ordered for one sword. The edging of the scabbard tip strengthened it and did not allow it to wear out, but the metal mouth was quite rare.


Rapier by master Daniel da Serravalle from Milan. Date: 1560 Materials: steel, iron, gold. Length - 87,6 cm; blade length - 68,9 cm; crosshair width - 15,2 cm; weight - 1304,1 g

The scabbard on the side of the mouth was often made so that the tree in front and behind was tightly entered between the projections of the guard, arranged over the "ricasso". Thus, the ingress of water inside was excluded. Very complex harnesses were created for hanging the sword at the right angle so that the scabbard with the sword when walking, God forbid, did not hit their owner between the legs.


A rapier on a simple belt harness. Image from a tombstone on the wall of the Cathedral of Our Lady and St. Adalbert in Königsberg. The epitaph of Johann von Creutzen, Chancellor of Prussia, and his wife Eufemia, née Damerau, reads: “In 1575, on January 5, in the true Christian faith, the glorious husband Johann von Creutzen, Chancellor of Prussia, died in the true Christian faith, famous for his scholarship, virtue and wisdom. , as she was during her lifetime, so was united in her death on May 12, 1575, the most blameless wife Eufemia (Eufemia), née Damerau. They rest here in the hope of eternal life. With the hope of eternal life. " Photo by the author

At an early stage, harnesses were made in the medieval tradition, from three straps. Sometimes one strap ended with a "fork" that clung to the scabbard in two places. The front strap usually had an adjustment buckle. After 1550, the belt of the harness went obliquely along the "skirt" of the armor. And further, at the level of the thigh, he already supported the scabbard at the chosen angle.

In the second half of the 12th century, a special suspension appeared for at least 1575 straps with clamps wrapped around the scabbard. So the fixation of the position of the carried sword became quite rigid. Interestingly, in Europe, as well as in Japan, swords were provided with containers for a small knife and an sewn for small needs. Since 1550, they began to tie the waist with a sash over the harness so that the scabbard would not swing unnecessarily on it. In the 1560s and XNUMXs, a leather wallet on the right side, paired with a scabbard, was in fashion. That is, the idea of ​​a headset: a dagger - a sword, a scabbard - a purse, very firmly stuck in the heads of gunsmiths. And all in order to offer customers a new and, moreover, beautiful product!


Giovanni Battista Moroni (1525-1578). Knight with a tournament helmet. Pay attention to the lightest XNUMXth century under armor with chain mail patches. National Gallery at Trafalgar Square, London


And these are chain mail "half-pants" (only on the front!) With a protrusion for the "father's inheritance" and weighing one kilogram. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

As for the armor, here the English gunsmiths managed to contribute to their improvement. A highly unusual and innovative feature was the abdominal plate, which was attached to the chest underneath the bib to reduce the weight placed on the shoulders. But such a plate is found only on one armor made in Greenwich in 1540 for Henry VIII.


Finishing of the breastplate of the armor of Henry VIII. Made with gold amalgam by forging, that is, by heating the metal in a furnace! It is believed that this gilded armor was made for Henry VIII and then presented to them by the French ambassador François de La Tour d'Auvergne, Viscount of Turenne, who headed the diplomatic mission in London in 1527. After the viscount's death in 1532, the armor was supposedly passed on to his friend Galio de Genuillac, the great master of artillery and grand écuyer ("horse master") of France, from whose descendants he came to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. By the way, the dimensions of this armor are not at all small: height - 185,4 cm; weight - 28,45 kg


Field armor of Henry VIII, c. 1544 g.

The Metropolitan Museum also has one more armor of Henry VIII - field, made in Brescia or Milan around 1544.

This impressive piece of armor was made towards the end of his life, when he was overweight and suffered from gout. They were suitable for use both on horseback and on foot, and the king probably wore them during his last military campaign, the siege of Boulogne in 1544, which he personally commanded, despite his infirmities.

Initially, the cuirass was equipped with a removable reinforcing breastplate, to which a spear rest was attached, and a reinforcement for the left shoulder pad. But this armor does not have them. A pair of interchangeable bracers remain in the Royal Collection at Windsor Castle.


The same armor. Height - 184,2 cm; weight - 22,91 kg

This armor was recorded in the inventory of the royal possessions in 1547 as "made by the Italions." They may have been supplied by a Milanese merchant known in England as Francis Albert, who was licensed by Henry to import luxury goods, including armor, into England for sale. They were subsequently transferred to William Herbert (circa 1507–1570), the first Earl of Pembroke, Henry's squire and executor of his will. From 1558 until sold in the 1920s, they were listed as the estate of Wilton House, the residence of the Pembroke family. At the end of the 1493th century and then for quite a long time they were mistakenly believed to belong to de Montmorency (1567-XNUMX), constable of France, and their British royal origins were forgotten.


The same armor. Back view

Armor is an early example of armor, in which the bib and back are composed of horizontal overlapping plates connected by rivets and internal leather straps. The decoration, made up of foliage, putti, running dogs, Renaissance candelabra and grotesque ornamentation, is typically Italian.


Chain gloves. XVII century. Hungary. Weight - 271/281 g. In them it was possible to grab onto someone else's blade without harm and take it back, hitting it yourself. You could just hit in the face. This was also very effective, especially if the blow was not direct, but ... sliding! Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 May 2021 05: 11
    +5
    Hmm ... the splendor of armor, beautiful weapons, beautiful knights ... thank Vyacheslav for an excellent overview of medieval weapons.
    Well, from a practical point of view, if you drive these knights with all this splendor into our swamps and forests, they would not last long there. what
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 22 May 2021 05: 52
      +1
      "to our swamps and forests"

      It is also possible on ice, for example Lake Peipsi. The Teutonic Order was convinced in due time.
      According to the article - beauty, of course. And armor and, especially, weapons. Impressive.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 22 May 2021 06: 05
        +19
        It is also possible on ice, for example Lake Peipsi. The Teutonic Order was convinced in due time.
        Is not a fact
        According to the article - beauty, of course. And armor and, especially, weapons. Impressive.
        Fact
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 09: 57
          +10
          I agree, where there is no "fact".
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 22 May 2021 08: 32
        +11
        And the army of Alexander Yaroslavovich, in your opinion, was without armor?
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          Edward Vashchenko 22 May 2021 09: 01
          +17
          Good morning everybody!
          I support
          the equipment in the Battle of Peipsi and Neva differed little on both sides, maybe the Russians had only cone-shaped helmets, and the Germans had already begun to use "pots", although the pictorial material says a little differently. And the Chud was definitely guided by Russian weapons.
          Unfortunately, the opinion about the "heavy" weapons of the German knights and about the "convenient" chain mails of the Russians is a myth, including that generated by the great film "Alexander Nevsky".
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 09: 26
            +12
            Russian lamellar and scale armor were even heavier than German ones. In addition, the Russians already began to use plate elbow pads and greaves. It is clear that not everyone had such equipment, but nevertheless, it turns out that the Russian full set of protective equipment was heavier than a similar German one.
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 22 May 2021 17: 19
              +3
              Mikhail, in this case, the statement that the ice broke under the Germans is a myth?
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 19: 27
                +6
                No, not a myth. This is quite a reliable historical fact, but only in relation not to the Battle of the Ice, but to the Battle of Omovzha in 1234. I wrote about it in detail in one of my articles. True, that was a long time ago.
                And, of course, to the armor of the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries. this fact has nothing to do with it. smile
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 May 2021 09: 31
            +9
            A Swedish take on gear from the time
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 22 May 2021 09: 58
              +5
              Anton, good morning!
              Where is the photo of this handsome man from?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 22 May 2021 12: 06
                +8
                Good afternoon, Alexander!
                Of course, from Wikipedia.
                This is a monument to Birger Magnusson Folkung in Stockholm.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 22 May 2021 12: 21
                  +5
                  We must see where he stands. There is a hope that the borders will be opened, and my friend is a big fan of Sweden and Stockholm, I used to skate once every 1 months.
                  They'll open it and let's go.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 22 May 2021 19: 42
                    +3
                    On the Knights' Island, Art. m. Gamla-stan.
                    1. ee2100
                      ee2100 22 May 2021 19: 51
                      +2
                      I watched. To my shame I have never been there. We always walked along a pedestrian to the old city, and this monument seemed to be aside. That's why I didn't see him
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 22 May 2021 20: 25
                        +3
                        To my shame
                        Leave it, Alexander!
                        I have never even been to Helsinki. Although it would seem ...
                      2. ee2100
                        ee2100 22 May 2021 20: 32
                        0
                        Minibuses ran from the state Oktyabrskaya in the pre-pandemic time. If you only "look" then they drove for free
          3. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 19: 28
            +5
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            A Swedish take on gear from the time

            For the XIII century. quite, in my opinion, reliably.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 22 May 2021 19: 33
              +3
              Moreover, I note that the sculpture was created in the middle of the XNUMXth century. That is, the Swedes did not have unnecessary historical fantasies even then.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 22 May 2021 19: 56
                +2
                It seems to me that the shield is a little small, but put it in Pskov or Novgorod, write Russian Prince Imrek and it will look very organic
                1. Edward Vashchenko
                  Edward Vashchenko 22 May 2021 20: 21
                  +3
                  Questions are raised by the helmet, 100 in Russia there were no such, there is a picture 13 in the Museum of Art Berlin, where the Germans have such helmets
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 May 2021 20: 33
                  +1
                  The shield, of course, let us down. The Swedes could not have had such shields then. But, heraldry, however ... request
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 22 May 2021 20: 36
                    +1
                    The shield, as an attribute, the main thing is that there is and that the jarl does not obstruct
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 22 May 2021 21: 09
                      +3
                      No, not so.
                      For the Scandinavians, at this time, the shield is still the "linden of war".
                    2. ee2100
                      ee2100 22 May 2021 21: 11
                      +1
                      I'm talking about a monument.
                    3. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 22 May 2021 21: 20
                      +1
                      Slightly misunderstood ...?
                    4. ee2100
                      ee2100 22 May 2021 21: 23
                      +1
                      Maybe I didn't understand. The shield was reduced in size so that it would not cover the figure.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 15
    +6
    And the army of Alexander Yaroslavovich, in your opinion, was without armor?


    And in life jackets !!! laughing

    Hello Sasha. drinks
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 22 May 2021 15: 26
      +6
      Hi Kostya!
      And in felt boots!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 34
        +6
        Well, they are Russians - you can't go anywhere without felt boots and three-haired boots! laughing Yes, I also forgot about vodka. drinks
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 15: 43
          +6
          Drunk, in felt boots, life jackets and hats - a terrible force!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 57
            +6
            So they did not heed the same, and then climbed all the way.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 22 May 2021 15: 59
              +5
              Don't feed the horse! Still teasing! laughing
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 04
                +5

                Let them do evil. laughing
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 22 May 2021 16: 06
                  +4
                  It all depends on the length of the chain or who regulates it.
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 08
                  +4
                  Let them lengthen, but you can always scratch out the eyes. wink
                3. ee2100
                  ee2100 22 May 2021 16: 11
                  +4
                  Everything has its time
                4. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 12
                  +4
                  And each vegetable has its own fruit.
                5. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 22 May 2021 20: 30
                  +5
                  Everything has its time

                  I read, laughed. drinks
                  Drunk, in felt boots, life jackets and hats - a terrible force!

                  My friends, they still had to put on large vests over their armor, and paint the horses under zebras - then the psychic attack would have been a complete success! laughing
                6. ee2100
                  ee2100 22 May 2021 21: 26
                  +2
                  Nikolay! Not a feng shui attack. The stripes must be either horizontal or vertical
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 May 2021 19: 46
          +5
          Again the dogs are offended. negative
        3. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 19: 52
          +2
          They are cat lovers! am
        4. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 22 May 2021 20: 30
          +5
          Uh-huh. Angry. Apparently, the depression of the psyche of totem animals affects. lol
        5. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 20: 34
          0
          I already wrote about the suppression of the will of the owner through its infection with toxoplasmosis
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 22 May 2021 20: 31
        +4
        They are cat lovers!

        Yes! Hello everyone from Mikado! Over the past month, this fluffy parasite has fallen in love with fermented baked milk ... yes
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 22 May 2021 20: 35
      +2
      Anton, this is a shameful wolf on a leash. laughing And we treat the dogs with all our reverence. drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 May 2021 19: 43
    +3
    And riding zebras!
  • Richard
    Richard 22 May 2021 18: 24
    +8
    Lech from Android.: Well, from a practical point of view, if you drive these knights with all this splendor into our swamps and forests, they would not last long there. stop

    ee2100 (Alexander): And the army of Alexander Yaroslavovich, in your opinion, was without armor? and in life jackets? laughing

    Alexander hi
    Novgorod armor, especially lamellar, according to Kirpichnikov, was no lighter than German
    a photo modern reconstruction of Russian lamellar armor
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    2. ee2100
      ee2100 22 May 2021 18: 55
      +4
      I am a supporter that the so-called. The battle of Chudskoye was in a different place.
      Historians tried to create the opinion that the knights were heavy armor, so the ice could not stand them and it follows from this that the Russian squad was, as it were, in light armor and therefore did not fail laughing
      Story! If the battle is then "horses mixed in a heap, people ....." Logically, everyone should have failed.
      Vaschenko and Mikhail say that the armor was at least equal in weight.
      And this is an argument in favor of the fact that no one fell through the ice.
      HanTengri gave an unexpected, for me, argument. Having a complete superiority in strength, the Russians would begin to fight on the ice, and suddenly the ice really breaks, the knights will drown, and with them such wealth as armor and weapons!
      1. Richard
        Richard 22 May 2021 19: 17
        +5
        There is a healthy grain in such a conclusion. - The chronicles and chronicles do not say a word about Lake Peipsi and the battle on its ice (especially, not a word is said about the replicated Livonian wedge that split the Russian order at the beginning of the battle). No dates are mentioned, and there is no reference to a specific place where the battle took place.
        In the "Elder Livonian Rhymed Chronicle", tentatively recorded in the last decade of the XNUMXth century without location, it only says about the place of the battle:
        The Novgorod king Alexander with the numerous army of his father, the great king Yaritsleiv (so in LRH), went to war on the Livonian lands, causing robberies and fires. The Dorpat bishop gathered his army and decided to fight back. But it turned out to be too small: "The Russians had such an army that, perhaps, sixty men of one brother attacked. The brothers fought stubbornly. Yet they were overpowered. Some of the brothers withdrew from the battle to save themselves. They were forced to retreat. There, twenty brothers were killed and six were captured. "

        From Russian sources, the earliest is the news of the Laurentian Chronicle, which was compiled at the end of the XIV century. Literally, she tells the following about:
        "In the summer of 6750 (1242 according to modern chronology), the Grand Duke Yaroslav sent his son Andrei to Novgorod the Great, to help Alexander the Germans and defeated them over Pleskovskoe on the lake, and captured many people, and Andrei returned to his father with honor and wealth prey ".

        Let me remind you that this is the first Russian evidence of the so-called Battle on the Ice was compiled 135 years (!) After the events described.
        And already in the Academic List of the Suzdal Chronicle (and it dates from the end of the XNUMXth century), compiled in Rostov at the episcopal see, Andrei is not mentioned at all, and it was Alexander who dealt with the Germans, and this already happened "on Lake Peipsi, near the Crow Stone."
        Obviously, by the time this canonical chronicle was compiled, there could be no reliable information about what really happened 250 years ago.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 19: 35
          +2
          Dmitry, the answer must be thorough and I will answer a little later, 20 minutes
        2. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 19: 49
          +3
          "Nѣmtsi and Chyud went along them. But Prince Oleksandr and Novgorodians, placing a regiment on Chyudskoe lakes 1, on / l. 129ob./ Uzmen, at the Voroni stone; byst sѣcha that is great Nѣmtsem and Chyudi. "PNL. There seems to be no doubt about the place of the battle and the landmarks on the spot.
          Uzmen is a bottleneck. There used to be an island in the northern part of the lake called Sokhmen (dry place). Raven stone, this is more difficult. The event was described first in the Livonian rhymed chronicle. And when it appeared in the annals, it is very difficult to say, you indicated that it was described more than 100 years later. It's like now, having no literary sources to describe the 1917 revolution.
          According to the chronicle. Prince Alexander comes under the walls of Dorpat and besieges him. Part of the army is sent to plunder the lands surrounding the city. Domash, the mayor's brother, dies in a skirmish with the knights going to the aid of the besieged fortress. Alexander and his army were frightened and flee. How do they run? Running in a hurry leaving the camp? Or are they retreating in an organized manner? And one more question. Why are they running towards Lake Peipsi. From the site of the alleged battle to Dorpat in a straight line about 100 km. More on the way. It would be more logical to run towards Izborsk. The distance is the same. But you will meet the enemy behind the fortress walls. Do knights chase fleeing ones? Let's say yes. It can be a maximum of 5-7 km if you haven't caught up. After that, the pursuers return to the fortress, and the retreating ones can rest calmly, comprehend what is happening, transform, etc. And if they do not persecute? It turns out that fear seized Alexander and his army and they fled for 4-5 days and only on the ice of the lake come to their senses. Will the knights chase the retreating troops for 4-5 days? Not. They completed their task. The fortress is unblocked, the enemy has retreated. If the enemy wants to continue fighting, then you are welcome - we are in the fortress. Let's say the knights are chasing the army of Alexander. How do they know where fear will release Alexander and he will stop. Maybe he will run to Novgorod. And this is a different preparation and logistics. As we know, the case took place on April 5 (12). Hydrologists who have studied this issue, with a 50% probability, say that there could be ice suitable for finding on it. Let's say fit. Let's say the battle took place on the SPRING ice. Spring ice is a pure ice rink. And yet, I would like to know in what shoes one and the other side fought. If you answer all these questions following elementary logic, common sense and personal experience, then something is not real. To put it mildly. The battle took place in the area of ​​modern Tartu. Why the chronicler transferred him to the Peipsi (Warm) Lake area is a question for him. Maybe he was sincerely mistaken or specifically described it in such a way that a thoughtful reader will be puzzled by similar questions.
          You can add a couple more questions, but these are enough.
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 22 May 2021 19: 49
      +3
      The bracers are too fantasy. But, we must pay tribute, without the elven "hitch". laughing
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri 22 May 2021 09: 18
    +10
    Quote: Van 16
    It is also possible on ice, for example Lake Peipsi. The Teutonic Order was convinced in due time.

    Yes, someone in such beauty will climb the ice! And to drive such a person on the ice is blasphemy! This is a scolding dough that will drown irretrievably, not counting the cost of the armor!
    The Teutons, in 1242, modestly, were dressed like this: chain mail, and highways, and a helmet of the "bucket with eyes" type, so it was not a pity for them. laughing
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 22 May 2021 09: 55
      +6
      A new pragmatic view of the so-called. Chudskoe battle. drinks
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 22 May 2021 17: 34
        +3
        Taax STE means an assassination attempt on the holy of holies
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 17: 50
          +3
          Not at all, expressing my opinion
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 22 May 2021 21: 26
            0
            Aha, it is justified to know to blame. Hamsters will swoop in and show everyone where the crayfish hibernate
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 22 May 2021 21: 28
              -1
              Hamsters are resting, Saturday. I have already "justified" below, no one wants to trample tongue
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 22 May 2021 21: 29
                0
                No, up the branch
  • Finches
    Finches 22 May 2021 05: 57
    +8
    All the same amazing things - human hands!
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 22 May 2021 09: 31
      +9
      Quote: Finches
      All the same amazing things - human hands!

      This is if they are attached to the right place!
      And if to the wrong, then, often, even more amazing, but in a different way ... smile
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 07: 34
    +8
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Well, from a practical point of view, if you drive these knights with all this splendor into our swamps and forests, they would not last long there.


    Good morning, friends!
    Duc, Alexey they had their own forests and swamps.
    You can deduce two domestic parallels from your thesis. The death of Ermak because of the royal armor and several dozen battles on the ice of rivers and lakes.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 22 May 2021 13: 05
      +6
      Well, it's not just that ... in the summer in our forests there are mosquitoes and nasty things ... you can't pick them out with a sword with a sword ... But imagine if a knight got under the shoulder blade of a bug and began to bite hard.
      This is what kind of suffering a person will have until you get to this bastard.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 09: 20
    +8
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    if we drove these knights with all this splendor into our swamps and forests, they would not last long there.

    Think of Father and Son De la Gardie. When Pope drowned, a special prayer service was held in Moscow.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 22 May 2021 10: 05
      +8
      I have not heard about the prayer service. The slayer was still that one. The biography is amazing. And the son did not disappoint.
      There are several versions of his death. But the fact that the armor played a fatal role is unambiguous.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 10: 25
        +8
        Yes, I'm not talking about drowning because of the armor ... I'm talking about the fact that in this armor he hurricane for many years in our forests and swamps so that people in Moscow were already shaking. And no armor hindered him until the boat on the Narova welled up. Well, in this case, even without armor, it won't hurt to get out, in any case, not everyone succeeds.
        So the warriors in such armor felt great even in the Karelian-Novgorod-Estonian swamps.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 22 May 2021 10: 51
          +6
          "When dad drowned ..." I took it in my own way. Still drowned.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 13: 29
          +5
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          And no armor hindered him until the boat on the Narova welled up.

          God marks the assault! laughing
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 13: 51
            +3
            In Moscow, they decided so. smile
            He is not the first, he is not the last. I don’t think it was much more comfortable to swim in Russian armor. smile
          2. ee2100
            ee2100 22 May 2021 15: 31
            +4
            There are three options for death.
            1. The ship hit the driftwood and De la Gardie capsized
            2. There was a cannon on the ship, from which, when fired, the boat tilted and De la Gardie flew overboard
            3. Drunk and off balance and ready.
            Like the last one better drinks
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 15: 45
              +4
              Quote: ee2100
              3. Drunk and off balance and ready.
              Like the last one better

              1. ee2100
                ee2100 22 May 2021 15: 51
                +4
                I did not swim, he dived and that's it. Is this bathing?
                Old Soviet joke.
                The Georgian spoke bad Russian.
                I went for a swim and began to drown and shouted: "I am diving! I am diving! I am diving! I am diving for the last time!"
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 22 May 2021 19: 57
                  +2
                  "I'm diving for the last time. Listen, it's normal, isn't it?"
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 22 May 2021 19: 58
                    +2
                    I knew! "It's a shame! Yes!"
            2. Richard
              Richard 22 May 2021 20: 07
              +3
              Sasha, what is the residential building of De la Gardie on Viru Street in Tallinn?
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 22 May 2021 20: 15
                +2
                I know there is, but most likely it's just a place. Or rebuilt.
                This is not the home of Pontus De la Gardie, but of his son Jacob. Who distinguished himself in troubled times.
                I will look and send a photo.
              2. ee2100
                ee2100 22 May 2021 20: 30
                +1
                Wikipedia issues
                On the street there was a residential building of the famous military leader of the times of Swedish rule in Tallinn - Jacob De la Gardie.
                The place is left. Look for
        3. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 22 May 2021 20: 38
          +1
          And no armor hindered him until the boat on the Narova welled up.

          The sons of the rival commanders, Suvorov and Kamensky, come to mind. Both were generals (and Kamensky was generally considered a very good commander), but his son Arkady Suvorov died while crossing the Rymnik River (from her earlier papa received the prefix "Rymniksky"!), And Nikolai Kamensky died of a fever.
          In general, man proposes, and God disposes. And a person generally gets the most terrible injuries when he absolutely does not expect this ... what
  • depressant
    depressant 22 May 2021 06: 08
    +12
    Hello, quiet corner, haven of relaxation! Where the knights have already died down with iron, where everything is quiet, peaceful and sweet, where blood no longer sheds, wounds do not gap, the moans of the wounded are not heard ... I will not enumerate.
    Having shouted "How long!" and swinging my fists on political topics, I peer into the luminous window of the Master's house.
    Peace be with you, the source of goodness and joy of communication with friends! love )))
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 07: 22
      +8
      Well said!
      With all due respect, I subscribe to the above !!!
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 May 2021 07: 38
        +8
        Vladislav, good morning!)))
        I managed to look for gloves there - imported, Hungarian production. Such, you know, functionality, "Hit first, Freddie!". You put it on and become not handshake.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 22 May 2021 07: 38
      +8
      After some three hundred years, now violent corners also have a chance to become quiet.
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 May 2021 07: 52
        +6
        Peering into the depths of my thoughts and shuddering at what I saw, I slowly and carefully crawl away from the edge, so that lumps do not fall into that depth, do not disturb the hidden future.
        And now imagine, Sergei, I had no idea that there was such a site InoSmi.ru. I took your advice as a recommendation to read the foreign press. But when, for the sake of interest, I typed in the search engine the recommended one in the form in which you presented it, a well-made resource was discovered and a lot of interesting things on it. Thank you!)))
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 May 2021 07: 55
          +6
          It is good to keep your distance from the cliffs. And we will choose the paths (Bolivar will confirm).
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 18
            +5
            And we will choose the paths (Bolivar will confirm).


            Will confirm, but rather Shark Dodson. wink
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 22 May 2021 15: 33
              +4
              They were at the same time.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 35
                +4
                Bolivar is positioned as "the murderer's unwitting accomplice."
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 May 2021 15: 43
                  +4
                  Not like Sherlock Holmes's Silver.
                2. Richard
                  Richard 22 May 2021 18: 35
                  +3
                  Bolivar is positioned as "the murderer's unwitting accomplice."

                  gang member in charge of evacuation smile
                  Under modern Russian law, he would have gone to court yes :
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 May 2021 19: 24
                    +3
                    A good definition, but, thank God, they were not in Russia and not in our time, the stallion was lucky. laughing
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 May 2021 07: 54
        +8
        "And who is there to make noise when the enemy burned your Yablonevka to the ground." (FROM)
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 May 2021 07: 56
          +5
          "Red, red blood
          An hour later, the earth again ”(c).
        2. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 07: 59
          +6
          Everyone does not succeed in Bolivar - I don’t have Bolivar! And two cannot bear one. So, the hope is my earthly compass that not all Yablonevka will be burned.
          1. Richard
            Richard 22 May 2021 12: 59
            +8
            The scabbard was usually made of two boards, covered with leather, as well as canvas or velvet. Often the customer of the scabbard demanded to arrange them in such a way that they would match the color and finish of his clothes, so sometimes several scabbards were ordered for one sword.

            In the Middle Ages, wood wrapped in leather or cloth, or leather reinforced with metal plaques or stripes, was used to make a sword scabbard. The inside of the scabbard was lined with short-cropped sheepskin fur, which served a number of different functions. One of them was the formation of a special film that appeared as a result of constant attachment to the sheath, oiled or greased weapons. This oil film on the fur in the scabbard created a particularly favorable protective environment for storage, corrosion protection and the constant repeated lubrication of the sword. In addition, thanks to such a fur bed in the scabbard, the sword was held in a fixed position.
            In the XNUMXth century, all-metal sheaths appeared and quickly gained popularity, although they had a drawback - the weapons stored in them quickly became dull.
            1. Richard
              Richard 22 May 2021 13: 04
              +7
              Of particular interest was the belt used in the Middle Ages for wearing a scabbard (and weapons along with it). So, it was fastened not with the help of the usual buckle for this, but with a special knot, which, if necessary, allowed the warrior at any moment (and with one hand, saving the weapon in the other), pulling one of the ends of the knot to untie it and throw the empty scabbard to the ground. This was often necessary when fencing on foot, since the wooden scabbard was heavy and in close combat prevented their owner from being sufficiently mobile.
              1. Richard
                Richard 22 May 2021 13: 49
                +6
                Wooden scabbards were heavy, so quite often, especially on Teutonic blades, there are scabbards, so to speak, made of "medieval fiberglass" - several layers of sequentially glued and tarred canvas were wound on a wooden blank, between which "reinforcement" of thin metal plates was laid, then dried, was cut, the wooden rod was removed, everything was pasted over from the inside with sheepskin, then the halves were glued again and covered with leather, or velvet, etc. Such a scabbard was lightweight, comfortable, strong enough, but had its drawbacks, which the crusaders faced in the hot climate of Palestine - resin seeped through the fur and scraped the blades. However, for the knights of the Teutonic and Livonian orders, this was not relevant and this type of scabbard was predominant
                link:
                Oakeshott E. Sword in the Age of Chivalry. / Per. from English L. M. Igorevsky. - M .: ZAO "Tsentrpoligraf", 2007. - 176 p .: ill. - ISBN 978-5-9524-3315-1
                Oakeshott E. Weapons and military armor of Europe. From ancient times to the end of the Middle Ages. - M .: ZAO Tsentrpoligraf, 2009. - 704 p .: ill. - ISBN 978-5-9524-4069-2.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 22 May 2021 14: 59
                  +3
                  Dmitry, good afternoon!
                  A very valuable addition! I read about "fur inside", but the manufacturing technology is very interesting. And about the knot on the belt - I hear for the first time. Although everything is pretty logical. Likewise, the load is dropped, whoever was engaged in diving will understand
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 55
          +3
          "Enemies burned down their native hut" (c)
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 22 May 2021 13: 45
      +6
      Hello quiet corner ...


      "There are still devils in a still water", and I even know them by name, but ... "a strict secret and a state secret." (C) laughing
      Good afternoon, Luda. love smile
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 May 2021 14: 16
        +5
        Hello, Kostya! smile )))
        We are busy little by little - someone, apparently, in the gardens, and someone here, on the forum. In the intervals between domestic Saturday preoccupations, I renounced the nervous week by immersing myself in the legends of deep antiquity, where swords rang and poets composed madrigals.
        And I listen to the singing of the wind from one window to another. And somehow there was a lot of it, the wind, here, in the suburbs. But let it be! Let the clouds chase! And there is no heat - how much do I need? )))
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 May 2021 14: 27
          +5
          Yes, there are problems with the wind, in our country it sometimes becomes quite unpleasant, to say the least. Remember "The Wind" by Ray Bradbury?
          1. depressant
            depressant 22 May 2021 15: 03
            +4
            I don't remember, Kostya! I read Bradbury for a long time and right now I will go to Yandex for "Wind", and if they give it for free, I will refresh my memory. Well, they are luring, they say, read for free, and on page 7 they begin to demand money. Worse, Seryozha, our Phil, recommended a book about the American family, read it all the way to page 46, and that's it.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 05
              +3
              "Wind" is a short story, they don't have time to rob. laughing
              1. depressant
                depressant 22 May 2021 15: 33
                +2
                Kostya, already stocked up on "Wind" and started reading, because Bradbury is always good. Remarkably, Allin is scared, but will not leave for a safe place. Apparently, I want to watch. This is how we climb into danger to face our fear, and perish, plunging into it. But they did! But I won't make hasty conclusions, I'd rather read it. Maybe there is something holding him there in the Himalayas. I'll finish reading in the evening.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 42
                  +2
                  Remarkably, Allin is scared, but will not leave for a safe place.

                  Or maybe he just knows that there is no longer a safe place for him ...
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 May 2021 14: 28
        +4
        "Announce the entire list, please!" (from).
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 37
          +4
          I say - a secret and a secret covered in darkness, but you yourself know them all. wink
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 May 2021 15: 45
            +4
            “For one candidate, two non-candidates are given” (c).
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 00
              +4

              Popular wisdom. laughing
              1. depressant
                depressant 22 May 2021 16: 08
                +4
                I finished reading "The Wind" by Bradbury!
                I want to say: we live and do not think about how other people think, how they live their lives, how they die. We are waiting for death to come to us. I want to say: we are sitting here, rooted to the chairs, and thirty miles from us, in a big old house - night and all kinds of devilry on all sides - one of the best people who ever lived in the world.


                Well, it's still the same thought, like, I was silent when they came for the communists ...
                But there is something else as well. Who remembers stories gone with the wind? Life goes on without them. But without them it is different.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 10
                  +3
                  Some of the audience, the sooner it takes it out of sight, the better life will be.
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 22 May 2021 16: 21
                    +4
                    Carries away the hindsight. He walked, gape, a historical tornado caught you, and you are gone. And if, say, a well-fortified room, then at least howl the wind, at least bend in every way, you are safe. Not every fortress can be destroyed by the wind of history. The Windsors have outlived everyone in theirs, and now their swords and armor are in museums, and they are still on the throne.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 24
                      +4
                      Well, the throne there is purely symbolic, and the blood was diluted with it. smile
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 22 May 2021 16: 44
                        +4
                        The Royal House of Windsor is a symbol that, in one way or another, by some of its important part, the policy of those who bear the burden of the white man is oriented. At least on a subconscious level. And the blood must be periodically diluted so that you know who is not born.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 51
                        +3
                        ... so that you know who is not born.

                        So they were all born a long time ago. laughing
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 22 May 2021 17: 00
                        +3
                        Kostya, well, you are a mocker! wassat
                        Well, maybe the Queen and Prince Charles. Young princes are real knights, armor, which we study according to articles, as if they were created for them. I certainly do not mean the armor of Henry VIII. wassat ))))
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 May 2021 18: 16
                        +3
                        "Not peace, but a sword ..." As you-see, my company is good. However, I prefer pistols to a sword. "(C)
                        And even better is a machine gun, this is me in relation to armor.


                        "New Adventures of the Yankees at the Court of King Arthur" 1988.
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 May 2021 16: 33
                +4
                “The pig’s house must be a fortress!” (with).
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 50
                  +4
                  “The pig’s house must be a fortress!” (with).

                2. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 May 2021 16: 51
                  +4
                  "The Diamond Arm". Continuation.
                3. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 18: 25
                  +4
                  "The Diamond Arm". Continuation.

                  Continuation of "Diamonds for the dictatorship of the proletariat".
              3. depressant
                depressant 22 May 2021 21: 22
                +2
                This "fortress door" has one weakness. Never look through the peephole - a bullet will fly in the eye. Ask through the door who the demon brought.
              4. Catfish
                Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 30
                +2
                Yes, one can feel a good knowledge of detective novels. smile
              5. depressant
                depressant 22 May 2021 22: 06
                +2
                Knowledge of realities, Kostya, realities from the 90s. A familiar bandit advised.
              6. Catfish
                Catfish 22 May 2021 22: 54
                +2
                Yes, I also had, and there are, very diverse, let's say, acquaintances. wink
      3. Richard
        Richard 22 May 2021 21: 23
        +2
        “The pig’s house must be a fortress!” (with).

        Piglets should not be raised in single-parent families, because of this they grow up as mama's little sons and selfish. This is very sad. (from).
      4. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 May 2021 21: 35
        +1
        “It turned out that the boy Vova
        I was terribly spoiled "(c).
  • Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 22 May 2021 17: 07
    +4
    House of Windsor established in 1917, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha oni, a branch of the Ernestine line of the Wettin dynasty
  • Richard
    Richard 22 May 2021 21: 12
    +2
    The Windsors have outlived everyone in their history. They are still on the throne.

    Quite a controversial statement. There are many modern ruling royal houses of the same Europe, which are both older and more noble than the Windsors:
    1.Oranian:
    King of the Netherlands Willem-Alexander and his daughter co-ruler Katharina-Amalia - Princess of Orange
    2.Bourbons:
    -King of Spain Philip VI
    -Grand Duke of Luxembourg Henri
    Grimaldi:
    -Prince of Monaco Albert II
    Liechtenstein:
    -Prince of Liechtenstein Hans-Adam II
    Vettins (the oldest in Europe of the current royal houses):
    -King Philip of Belgium

    so they sat out all the Wettins, not the Windsors yes
    By the way, Lyudmila, the House of Windsor is very, very young - it is only 104 years old. laughing
    1. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 22 May 2021 21: 48
      +1
      Quote: Richard
      so they sat out all the Wettins, not the Windsors

      Then the Japanese. Even if you do not take absolutely legendary characters, 500 years older than the Wettins :)))
    2. Richard
      Richard 22 May 2021 22: 09
      +2
      You can't argue with that. The Shitsu Dynasty Yamato is considered the oldest continuous hereditary monarchy in the world, the first written mention of the XNUMXth century
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 22 May 2021 16: 31
    +4
    "Either the paws hurt, or the tail falls off" (c).
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 22 May 2021 16: 37
      +4
      What kind of life - such is the state of health.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 May 2021 16: 52
        +4
        “We, kings, should be given milk for harm” (c).
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 May 2021 18: 17
          +4
          "King, with a soft tip" (c)
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 May 2021 18: 55
            +3
            "They say the king is not real!" (from).
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 22 May 2021 19: 27
            +3
            The people cannot be fooled, now even on TV it does not work.
  • depressant
    depressant 22 May 2021 18: 54
    +4
    Yes, sabotage is - choked with coffee! It so happened that a humble lament about paws and a tail was the next after the heroic, monumental, majestic remark about the establishment of the House of Windsor in 1917.
    How I survived my Homeric laughter, I don't know, probably a miracle helped, I still wipe my tears.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 22 May 2021 18: 59
      +4
      This student pranks of the past - stick headlines in different places. Now they have replaced memes, but not always successfully.
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 May 2021 19: 48
        +3
        It was more than a lucky prank!
        Even though I had some fun today.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 May 2021 21: 28
          0
          This is the site itself.
          But let's say with pleasure: "The prank was a success."
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 May 2021 20: 01
    +3
    Thank you, Uncle Kostya! I love you too! laughing
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 May 2021 20: 38
      0
      The manifestation of this kind of feelings is very sweet and touching, I think Kostya is happy good drinks wassat ))))
      But the article did not fully understand the key points. On occasion, tomorrow could be continued. And then my conscience gnaws at me like a mongrel on a bone.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 22 May 2021 20: 39
      +3
      I'm generally talking about Mikado, but what did you think? laughing
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 May 2021 21: 11
        +2
        "Mikado" is a cat.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 15
          +2
          And who are we talking about?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 May 2021 21: 30
            +2
            We're talking about another round of dog and cat lovers. If Kolya were brought a puppy crying from hunger, he would become a dog lover. I know him.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 35
              +2
              At one time, a dog came to us and asked for food, as a result he stayed with us to live. The former owner then even brought a pedigree, the one who was colloquially called a Rogue turned out to be Julien von Zollis und Hobby, such are the things. The Frenchman, now, unfortunately, is no longer with us, he lies nearby, under the apple tree. And all these rounds are bullshit.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 22 May 2021 21: 40
                +2
                Of course, nonsense!
                But, sometimes we get attached to them, more than to children
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 50
                  +2
                  So they are arranged, you need to worry about someone, take care of, and indeed. smile drinks
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 May 2021 06: 54
    +4
    additional bib with support for a spear

    Bib type from within


    Judging by the shadows in the second photo, the bib looks like ... double-convex ... recourse
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 07: 27
      +7
      Quote: Olgovich
      Judging by the shadows in the second photo, the bib looks like ... double-convex ..

      A play of shadows, although it must be admitted that the English king was still that "hamster", as it is not yet known that this is a set for armor in the form of a cuirass or a "shelf" for the belly !!! laughing
      Although Henry was definitely not a weakling, it was not enough to carry such a pile of iron health.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 May 2021 07: 39
        +7
        Who would put him on a diet.
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 08: 04
          +6
          It seemed to me a strange place to rest the spear - it is not gilded out of economy, the gold will still be erased. But it is also a target for the enemy, located in the region of the heart, downright an invitation "Beat here!"
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 May 2021 08: 32
            +4
            My respect, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            It seems to me that you are not interpreting something correctly ...
            1. depressant
              depressant 22 May 2021 08: 52
              +5
              Good morning, Anton!)))
              I am a small connoisseur of armor, but I am their admirer laughing I would have put it on myself otherwise, but not this additional one. Well, look at the second photo for yourself. Is not?...
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 09: 47
            +5
            Quote: depressant
            place for the stop of the spear

            The emphasis is called fokr. smile
            It was located under the working hand, that is, almost always on the right. In addition, the fox itself did not weaken the armor, and it was not easy to hit it even in a tournament duel - the very thing that is a greenhouse one.
            A much more convenient and achievable target was the head, whether in battle or in a tournament.
            And, in my opinion, it was at these times that they began to make tournament armor with a special target plate, into which the opponent was supposed to hit. smile
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 22 May 2021 10: 14
              +6
              This type?

              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 22 May 2021 10: 34
                +7
                Probably ... Anyway, very similar. The helmet here is clearly tournament.
                Vyacheslav Olegovich has a cycle dedicated to armor, including tournament armor. There he described an armor with such a plate, with an accurate hit into which a special spring is triggered, which shoots off this plate - for showiness. smile
                Yes, but this plate comes from the tarch, which was first held in the hand, hung around the neck, and then simply began to be attached to the cuirass. The task of a tournament fighter was to defeat just such a "target".
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 08: 36
          +5
          Quote: Korsar4
          Who would put him on a diet.

          Now I understood what the wives of Gerich VIII had done - with a diet!
          "Henry You need to keep an eye on the figure .....))))"

          I wonder what the chaplains have sinned in? Posts?
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 May 2021 08: 38
            +6
            Remember the movie "Tales of the Old Wizard"? There is a wonderful character there - the wife of Bluebeard.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 May 2021 08: 42
            +6
            And he ate them.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 08: 53
              +5
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              And he ate them.

              Hello Anton!
              So it washes out of Sherlock - "porridge sir"! good
              I'm afraid - in a year, every second person here will be mad, though)))
              To broaden the armor, not to alter the caftan here. It is necessary to develop the metallurgical industry to look for specialists, gold and armor craftsmen. It's expensive though.
          3. Hantengri
            Hantengri 22 May 2021 09: 53
            +7
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Now I understood what the wives of Gerich VIII had done - with a diet!
            "Henry You need to keep an eye on the figure .....))))"

        3. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 22 May 2021 11: 25
          +7
          Quote: Korsar4
          Who would put him on a diet.

          Who will put him in prison, he's a memory ... a king!
          :)))))
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 22 May 2021 11: 35
            +6
            In the video above your comment, of course, the Duke. But the techniques are similar.
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 May 2021 07: 48
        +8
        Good morning. And apart from this beauty, I would also like to learn about the composition of the metals of all these armor and weapons. Well, purely from the engineering bell tower. Plus physical and chemical capabilities. And then there are so many legends - then "without a notch" of the rider in dates with a shield to the waist are chopped, then, on the contrary - "not a single month could cut that chain mail" ...
        Well, and a special thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 08: 06
          +8
          Vyacheslav Olegovich - always thank you! Ours for him with a brush! )))
          1. depressant
            depressant 22 May 2021 08: 08
            +6
            And I would add - with a plume. Apparently, this was also an art - and so to wave a hat, sweeping the floor with feathers, and so wassat
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 22 May 2021 08: 36
              +6
              Every person has a little of a fashion designer. And if you turn on the fantasy.
              1. depressant
                depressant 22 May 2021 09: 00
                +6
                There is enough imagination, I do not like feathers. Killing birds. And does anyone really love feathers today? The Greens will, again, howl. On the Royal Ascot, the ladies, as before, wear hats of monstrous size, but without feathers, all more roses and other tinsel.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 May 2021 09: 47
                  +6
                  Did Audrey Hepburn visit him when she was training secular manners?
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 22 May 2021 10: 02
                    +6
                    Do you mean "Roman Holiday"? I don't know such details about Audrey. But I know the details about the current races. After the end of the races, the ladies gather in a crowd and get drunk with champagne right next to the stands, some quite awkwardly fall on the grass. It is difficult to imagine that in the old days it was like that. Because it was hardly convenient for a knight in armor to lift a drunk lady, after all, you can scratch with an iron, and servants to raise a noble lady at the races - not according to rank. Apparently, they got drunk already in the room.
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 22 May 2021 10: 20
                      +6
                      Not. My Fair Lady. Based on the Pygmalion Show. Scene at the hippodrome: "Whoever stole the hat killed the aunt as well" (c).
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 22 May 2021 10: 30
                        +5
                        Something vaguely recollected ... You will not believe, I am reluctant to watch old films. Those who once seemed funny, funny, tragic and even great, now seem extremely naive to me.
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 May 2021 11: 30
                        +5
                        I wonder why?
                        Since I have solid gaps, I fill in the gaps with fragments.
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 22 May 2021 12: 09
                        +4
                        Perhaps because the old films are straightforward, there is no subtext in them, or there is, but is immediately visible, intrusive. Tarkovsky's films were once thought-provoking. And then, when I realized that I was "forced", that manners for the sake of the very mannerisms and empty dissidence, it became boring. I do not like it when they force me, agitate, direct me at least with an indication, even a visual one, and everything in the direction someone needs - but I won't go! And admired the movie "Blade Runner", the first one. There is a subtle culture, references, replicas, continuous allegory. But such masterpieces are rare. It's unpleasant when the finale is already clear in the initial episode, although the scriptwriter intends to lead you to it for an entire hour and a half. And should I spend my life on this? As a result, I prefer to watch "natural disasters, horrors". At least curious. With such an optimistic Hollywood ending and a relying, strictly dosed portion of criticism of the damned corrupt authorities, the CIA, the State Department and the military wassat ))))
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 22 May 2021 12: 26
                        +5
                        An hour and a half is a long time, I agree.
                        The question is - what do we spend it on, how do we fill it.

                        https://stihi.ru/2014/04/25/7273
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 22 May 2021 12: 32
                        +6
                        I hope the Author will not be offended?)))

                        We fill life
                        Korsar4
                        We fill life
                        With what we want to fill.
                        Hold the sun
                        Have some water for an afternoon snack.

                        And along the dirt road into the distance
                        See the sunset in the wild
                        Where the sadness will go
                        The field will add strength.

                        There is a shop in the city.
                        Exhibition: squirrel in a cage.
                        Ultramarine in the sky.
                        Air, spring and branches.

                        Consonant! good drinks )))
                    2. Konnick
                      Konnick 22 May 2021 12: 34
                      +6
                      At one time, cinema played an important role in eliminating historical illiteracy. All these historical films of the 30s and 40s were aimed at the widest possible audience. Through such films as "Alexander Nevsky", "Minin and Pozharsky" "Peter the First", "Nakhimov", "Ships storm bastions", many first learned about these pages of history and about the historical figures of our history. And when Eisenstein tried to make "a movie not for everyone" in the form of "Ivan the Terrible", he was put in place by Stalin. Thanks to these historical films, we began to possess knowledge of national history, although semi-official, but not fat. Even Twelfth Night partially adds to the knowledge of history and weapons.
                      PS
                      I am also indifferent to Suprematism and to Andrei Tarkovsky, but not to Arseny. And my favorite fairy tale "The Naked King".
                    3. depressant
                      depressant 22 May 2021 12: 39
                      +4
                      I agree with you, colleague)))
                      As for Arseny Tarkovsky, he is a great poet who remained outside the wide field of discussion by the "advanced public".

                      And the sky turned before my eyes ...
                      When fate followed us,
                      Like a madman with a razor in his hand.
                    4. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 May 2021 14: 31
                      +5
                      Even "Twelfth Night" partially adds to the knowledge of history and weapons.

                      But what, I remembered it from childhood. laughing

                      "Mandrata navel, mandrata na!" (from)
                    5. depressant
                      depressant 22 May 2021 14: 52
                      +5
                      Isn't Klara Luchko in the background? I forgot something about this film, but I remember that I liked it)))
                    6. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 04
                      +6
                      Clara there is one in two persons, but I always "dragged along" from Sergei Filippov. smile
                      Reconsider, now they don't know how to shoot and play like that.
                    7. depressant
                      depressant 22 May 2021 15: 17
                      +2
                      Phillipov was a masterpiece actor, an adornment of any film. The last time I saw him was in "Ivan Vasilievich ...", where he played the ambassador, this is something! )))
                    8. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 20
                      +5
                      Kemsk region. laughing
                    9. depressant
                      depressant 22 May 2021 15: 43
                      +3
                      Eh, with sound! Kostya, you will not believe, I still hear his speech addressed to the king. An arrogant, hoarse voice and pompous impudence of exactly the kind of intensity that alone can cause irrepressible laughter. Yes, there are no more such actors.
                    10. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 May 2021 15: 56
                      +2
                      Unfortunately, I can't do it with sound. smile request
                  2. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 22 May 2021 20: 47
                    +1
                    Kemsk region

                    Kemsk parish
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 May 2021 20: 51
                    +1
                    First, our sovereign, Pyotr Alekseevich, wrote on a memorandum about the intrigues of the intruders in full, to which mother they should be sent, then everything was reduced to three letters, and then a soft sign was added and this place began to be called Kem.
                    I cannot guarantee the reliability of the information, but the king was a great inventor. smile
                  4. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 22 May 2021 21: 00
                    +1
                    I heard about this folk etymology.
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 14
                    +1
                    I heard it at the State Historical Museum.
                2. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 May 2021 21: 38
                  +1
                  Olonets region is annoyed.
                3. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 39
                  +1
                  Why?
                4. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 May 2021 21: 41
                  +1
                  Kemsky District - in Karelia (formerly Olonets Territory).
                5. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 May 2021 21: 51
                  +1
                  And what is the annoyance, you need to be proud. laughing
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 22 May 2021 14: 23
    +5
    "with an optimistic Hollywood ending. I also prefer films and books with a good ending.
    Life is full of negativity and therefore I prefer such a film or book to distract myself from the bad
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 22 May 2021 22: 46
    0
    and for the servants to raise a noble lady at the races - not according to rank.

    Why, out of order? For this, the servants exist, to serve - to wash, undress and put to sleep.
  • Richard
    Richard 22 May 2021 12: 49
    +8
    Every person has a little of a fashion designer. And if you turn on the fantasy.

    For Vyacheslav Olegovich and all fans of the "crazy hands" genre, the video instruction is just like making a copy of a short Roman gladius sword in a scabbard from ordinary paper. Knight swords can also be made using a similar technology.

    And if the paper copy is still processed with papier-meshe, velvet, leather, jewelry and painted accordingly, it will turn out to be just candy good
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 May 2021 14: 57
      +3
      I do not know how, but the operation to make a sword and scabbard out of paper, turning off the sound, watched to the end good )))
      Dmitry, now for you is the video "How to make a combat tanto at home using kitchen utensils" wassat )))
      1. Richard
        Richard 22 May 2021 15: 17
        +3
        Lyudmila hi
        Why spoil kitchen utensils when tanto is also easy to make out of plain paper
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 15: 48
          +2
          Was it not a tanto in the previous video, but some other sword? But out of paper! And what does it mean to spoil kitchen utensils? A combat sword far surpasses the value of a saucepan that could theoretically be made from wassat )))
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 08: 39
    +8
    Quote: depressant
    And I would add - with a plume. Apparently, this was also an art - and so to wave a hat, sweeping the floor with feathers, and so wassat

    Back in the 18th century, it was a very profitable business to bring a box of peacock feathers to Foggy Albion from India.
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 May 2021 09: 02
      +5
      Greta Thunberg is against! And to tell the truth, neither do I. Sorry for the birds.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 22 May 2021 15: 57
        +3
        Greta is against a lot of things. They are ready to ban everything

        1. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 16: 13
          +3
          Alexander, here you are laughing, and in Tagonrog 11 people died from methane emissions in the sewers.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 22 May 2021 16: 31
            +4
            I know. Mourning was announced over the area.
            So you think Greta is right?
            1. depressant
              depressant 22 May 2021 16: 55
              +2
              In the long run, we'll come to Greta. Even if it will be called something differently. You know how the sourish disgusting smell emitted by the neighboring enterprise has worn me out for many years - you will not believe it! - just for the spill of varnishes and paints. I think I donated a lot of health to this perfume miracle. Am I the only one! It penetrated through any cracks, and from the outside it enveloped the entire space. This year, production has decreased due to the economic decline, and it has already become easier to live. But they took their own washing powders. Such, you know, a spirit! You have to pour it into a glass jar with a tightly screwed lid. I believe the Teslamobile will take its toll despite the intrigues of the oil workers.
            2. ee2100
              ee2100 22 May 2021 17: 19
              +4
              “Yes, unless I am alone!” Very vapyachatlilo! Immediately reminded "Who doesn't drink? Name it!" tongue
              There are economists' opinions about the non-profitability of the "green" program. Tesla machines, solar panels, wind turbines, etc. they are not made out of thin air.
              The new program requires a lot of money and for all this future prosperity (supposedly) you have to pay here and now.
              It is necessary to fight environmental pollution, and for this we have everything.
              Free plastic bags are prohibited in Thailand. In developed countries, this is only in projects.
              Regarding your grief, from the neighboring chemical industry enterprises.
              There are supervisory authorities that, when issuing permits to these objects, had to observe the sanitary protection zone and take into account the wind rose. Please contact. Let them answer you. And they are obliged to do it.
              They pulled out this Swedish doll, and what?
              Poland was ordered to close coal mines. The Polish energy industry was based on coal and was ordered to close it in order to neutralize the advantages that the Polish economy received.
              It is possible to extract shale gas using the barbaric method in the United States, but coal cannot! Super!
            3. depressant
              depressant 22 May 2021 17: 22
              +3
              And let's translate our dispute to an appropriate topic, because it is not simple and requires detailed consideration. hi
            4. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 22 May 2021 22: 41
              +1
              Free plastic bags are prohibited in Thailand. In developed countries, this is only in projects.
              In Britain and Ireland, free packages have also been banned for many years - and when they became paid, the level of their spending by stores fell by 92%.
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 22 May 2021 20: 54
            +1
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, when in the 80s I lived in Lyubertsy, I determined with great accuracy the direction of the wind - if it carried aroma from the pig farm of the state farm "Belaya Dacha", then the wind was west, and if "the goodness of the air" came from the Tomilinskaya poultry farm (the largest in Europe) then the wind is east. Later, in democratic times, both production facilities were destroyed by "Bush's legs" and other Western gifts.
          3. depressant
            depressant 22 May 2021 21: 17
            0
            Yes, it would seem, it smelled of rubbish, well, okay. But these are all poisons, imperceptibly, day after day undermining health. And then a person thinks: "How is that? I'm an athlete, I didn't drink, I didn't smoke, but I died of a blood clot." I had to deal with this once.
  • Richard
    Richard 22 May 2021 14: 13
    +4
    Back in the 18th century, it was a very profitable business to bring a box of peacock feathers to Foggy Albion from India.

    So this is the 18th century. In the Middle Ages, plumes and sultans from peacock feathers were never made. People at that time were very superstitious. The medieval Arabs (and even today in many Muslim countries) call the peacock's feather - the eye of the diva Dajjal. It is believed that it brings misfortune and death to its owner.
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  • Richard
    Richard 22 May 2021 22: 53
    +2
    depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova):
    Vyacheslav Olegovich - always thank you! Ours for him with a brush! fellow

    Thanks with the brush? Is that all? belay Not a lot, Moscow. request
    But my fellow countrymen did not stint. And in honor of our dear comrade. Shpakovsky already named a whole rural area yes
  • Richard
    Richard 22 May 2021 14: 22
    +5
    Chainmail gloves. XNUMXth century

    With cockade and insignia smile
  • Konnick
    Konnick 22 May 2021 08: 56
    +5
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Quote: depressant
    And I would add - with a plume. Apparently, this was also an art - and so to wave a hat, sweeping the floor with feathers, and so wassat

    Back in the 18th century, it was a very profitable business to bring a box of peacock feathers to Foggy Albion from India.


    Peacock? There were enough pheasants in Europe. Peacock feathers are straight and stiff, they were not used. We mainly used feathers of local "producers" - roosters, pheasants, turkeys, and imported ostriches for splendor.
    Until now, the Italian bersaglier hats with a plume of rooster feathers.
    1. depressant
      depressant 22 May 2021 09: 06
      +8
      It remains to feel sorry for the roosters. A plucked rooster is a pitiful and disrespectful sight, causing laughter, combined with sympathy for his humiliation.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 May 2021 09: 10
        +7
        I remember the "man of Plato"
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 09: 32
          +6
          Well yes...
          Man is a wingless, two-legged creature with flat nails, susceptible to knowledge based on reasoning.
          The difference between a man and a rooster is that a rooster has its own feathers, and a person receives feathers only if he is rolled in them.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2021 09: 34
        +9
        Quote: depressant
        It remains to feel sorry for the roosters. A plucked rooster is a pitiful and disrespectful sight, causing laughter, combined with sympathy for his humiliation.

        An old, wise rooster teaches a young rooster in a chicken coop. Yes, Petka getting into the soup is half the trouble, the trouble is when the farmer's children start playing Indians !!! laughing
      3. Konnick
        Konnick 22 May 2021 09: 48
        +6
        This spectacle is short-lived, they act humanely, first the rooster is sentenced to chopping off the head, and then plucked, "the dead have no shame", and finally the rooster is sent to the pan ...
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 May 2021 10: 11
          +7
          Oh, colleague, reminded ...
          Not once or twice in my childhood I saw how the heads of chickens were chopped off. If you don't first tie their legs, then ... In general, they flutter for a long time. I had to pluck. By the way, you shouldn't send it to the pan immediately. The bird should be chilled.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 22 May 2021 12: 58
    +2
    Interestingly, a significant part of the country's military budget went to the manufacture of such armor for some Henry ...
    And try to tell him who needs to invest more in the development of artillery, increasing its mobility, improving casting, gunpowder, standardizing barrels ...
    I would not be understood.
    But after a hundred years, only cuirassiers remained "armored cars", neither Peter I nor Charles XII had armor.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 22 May 2021 14: 43
      +2
      "would not be understood", but in addition and without a head, or as his majesty deigns to decide
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 22 May 2021 17: 33
        +3
        "Note, it was not I who suggested this." hi
    2. Richard
      Richard 22 May 2021 18: 52
      +2
      faterdom (Andrey): the lat was no longer either for Peter I, or for Charles XII.

      There were both. Another thing is that both preferred to go in "civilian clothes" smile
      Peter 1

      Karl 12
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 May 2021 00: 04
        +2
        Both of them had

        At that time, the rulers in ceremonial portraits were depicted in armor, only the armor was painted separately, and the person separately.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 22 May 2021 14: 10
    +4
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich, good afternoon.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich has reason to be proud: I was TOTALLY indifferent to armor and melee weapons, but gradually I got used to it: there is a reason to communicate and look at works of art
  • vladcub
    vladcub 22 May 2021 14: 38
    +7
    "estoc. End of the 16th century" comrades, just look, the blade is chrome-plated. The metal is not darkened and not a drop of rust!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 22 May 2021 16: 57
    +2
    Colleagues, I am fascinated with gloves: what a delicate weaving. So it seems like it's knitted
    1. Richard
      Richard 22 May 2021 23: 55
      +3
      Colleagues, I am fascinated with gloves: what a delicate weaving. So it seems like it's knitted

      Old knight's song smile
      The day we celebrated Christmas in our castle
      My mother gave me chain mail gloves.
      And she said, averting her eyes to the side,
      They brought us a parcel from the blacksmith
      Don't think bad about him
      As you grow up, you will understand everything over the years
      Our blacksmith loves and remembers you
      Although he has not lived with us for a long time
      In the evening on the street the prelate told me
      Why don’t you put on brand new gloves?
      Mother worked all night to bind them
      The roar from the forge prevented everyone from sleeping
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 23 May 2021 07: 28
        +1
        thanks for song
  • AAK
    AAK 22 May 2021 23: 48
    +3
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, as always - brilliant and informative. Just one small remark - EMNIP Montmorency was not a constable, but a constable of France ...
    1. Richard
      Richard 23 May 2021 00: 10
      +1
      EMNIP Montmorency was not a constable, but a constable of France.

      Good night dear AAK hi
      In my opinion you are too picky about our dear author.
      Just think of the trouble - to confuse the highest military state position with the lowest police rank laughing
    2. kalibr
      23 May 2021 18: 01
      +2
      Quote: AAK
      Montmorency was not a constable, but a constable of France ...

      Terribly made a slip. The hand was running in front of the head ... It's good that you noticed! Thank you!
      1. Richard
        Richard 24 May 2021 20: 01
        +3
        Trifles, everyone already understood what it was about
        Such a clause even has a definite plus in favor of the author - this is exactly the case when such a mistake directly confirms that the text was written and not copied.
        We are waiting for your new works
  • NF68
    NF68 23 May 2021 16: 25
    +1
    How much time and effort it took to make it.