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Convoy battles in the Gulf of Riga

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Attack of Soviet torpedo boats
Attack of Soviet torpedo boats.


The German command decided to conduct the first caravan with supplies for the army group "North" through the Irbensky Strait to the Gulf of Riga on July 12, 1941. The timing of the caravan was well chosen - the Soviet naval aviation On July 11 and 12, she did not conduct reconnaissance of the Baltic Sea, because all the air forces were involved with the support of ground forces.

Thus, the German caravan calmly plowed the waters of the Baltic Sea, and the Soviet command did not know anything about it. However, on the morning of July 12, the Germans conducted reconnaissance of the Irbene Strait with three destroyers. Not finding worthy targets in the Irbene Strait, the ships kriegsmarine fired at the 315th coastal battery of 180-mm guns on the southern tip of the Sõrve Peninsula.

The battery under the command of Captain Alexander Stebel easily drove away the presumptuous Nazis, armed only with medium-caliber guns. Two volleys were enough for the Germans to retreat to a safe distance. But their appearance in the strait was a wake-up call for the Soviet command. Due to the lack of reconnaissance aircraft, a fighter was dispatched in the afternoon for reconnaissance. At 15:35 the situation became clear: the fighter discovered a large enemy convoy heading for the Irbensky Strait. The pilot reported 42 transports accompanied by 8 destroyers or torpedo boats, 3 patrol boats and a large number of boats.

The first episode


Headquarters of the Baltic fleet immediately set about organizing countermeasures against the caravan.

However, time was running out, as the caravan was discovered late - at a distance of about 100 miles from Riga. Assuming that the caravan was moving at a speed of 8-10 knots, it could reach the port of destination in 10-12 hours. It was necessary to attack the caravan precisely in such a time period, but this task was beyond the realm of possibility.

Soviet torpedo boats based in the Moonsund Islands were not ready to go to sea immediately. This was also the case with most of the destroyers, which had just started refueling from tankers arriving from Tallinn. Thus, the difficulties with the basing of Soviet light forces in unadapted ports appeared at the most inopportune moment, when at all costs it was necessary to form the most powerful battle group to strike the enemy convoy. Despite the difficulties, no one was going to refuse such an opportunity.

First of all, the Soviet command sent a group of bombers to meet with the caravan. They sunk the ship Deutschland (Deutschland) and damaged several other units. When the ships were crossing the Irbensky Strait, coastal batteries from the Sõrve Peninsula opened fire on them.

The Germans continued to suffer losses, but stubbornly moved forward. At 20:00, already abeam Cape Kolka, just 60 miles from Riga, they were discovered by a submarine C-102... Nothing came of the torpedo attack, since the German convoy was walking along the coast, in shallow waters. Then 24 bombers from the island of Saaremaa were supposed to hit the caravan, but they did not succeed either: in the darkness of the night, the bombers did not find the enemy and, dropping bombs on land targets that were secondary in this situation, returned to the airfield.

At this time, 4 torpedo boats finally went out to sea under the command of Lieutenant Vladimir Gumanenko. For two hours they hunted the caravan, until by 4:00 in the morning they found it near Cape Mersrags, that is, already approx. 30 miles from Riga. Despite strong barrage fire, the boats managed to break through to the ships of the caravan and sink two of them with well-aimed torpedoes. The boats themselves did not suffer losses, although they returned to the base riddled with small-caliber shells.

Immediately after the torpedo attack, the bombers again took up action. This time, they had no difficulty finding the enemy. The bombers attacked in groups of 5-9 aircraft and returned to the airfield for a new supply of fuel and bombs. The Germans threw their fighters to defend the caravan. But the Balts did not stop attacking, until noon on July 13, when the last German ships entered the port. In total, a small number of aircraft made 75 sorties and the same number of attacks.

Finally, at about 13:00, the destroyers approached Riga "Angry" и "Guarding"... One of them even dared to enter the mouth of the Dvina and fire at the end ships of the caravan. This ended the first episode of the convoy battles in the Gulf of Riga. The Germans suffered heavy losses from bombs, torpedoes and artillery fire - three large transports and 25 small units.

It was an undeniable success. But the Soviet command was not enough for them, since with a better organization of intelligence, communications and interaction between the fleet and aviation, it was possible to try to destroy the caravan completely.

Destroyers of Project 7U on the march
Destroyers of project 7U on the march.

Conclusions were made, mistakes were taken into account, shortcomings in the organization of hostilities were eliminated. And it was possible to meet the enemy fully armed. An opportunity arose soon enough.

Episode two


On July 18, Soviet reconnaissance aircraft discovered a large convoy of 26 ships in the Gulf of Riga. It was decided to send bombers and a destroyer division to intercept the caravan, which was just busy laying mines in the Riga area. The bombers were the first to attack, which sunk 6 ships. Meanwhile, the destroyers finished laying mines and set off to intercept the convoy.

Destroyer discovered the first German ships "Guarding" under the command of Captain Third Rank Yevgeny Zbritsky. But before he could break through to the ships of the caravan, he had to fight six German torpedo boats. The battle was successful: two boats were damaged, and "Guarding" dodged torpedoes fired at him.

After an unsuccessful battle with a Soviet destroyer, the German boats turned in the direction of the caravan and covered it with a smoke screen. "Guarding" had difficulty finding targets for his weapons. Meanwhile, the caravan was inexorably approaching the mouth of the Dvina. But when the caravan entered the fairway leading to Riga, one of the mines just placed by Soviet ships exploded under the lead ship. The small vessel quickly sank, blocking the fairway. The rest stalled the course and huddled together, fearing to go through the minefield. This was what was needed "Guarding"... He approached the ships of the caravan at a minimum distance and began to shoot them with all available guns. Caught by surprise, the Germans tried to get out of the fire, but not all succeeded. For a short time "Guarding" sunk 5 transports and damaged several more. In total, the caravan lost 12 units with cargo for the army group "North".

Marine close reconnaissance aircraft MBR-2
Naval short-range reconnaissance aircraft MBR-2 in flight.

Episode three


But the real pogrom of German shipping in the Gulf of Riga came on July 26.

Compared to the first episode, when a lot of things went very badly, and the second, when the successful outcome was determined by a happy coincidence, the third was an exemplary beating of the enemy forces - as a result of a concert played out like clockwork by all types of troops, including intelligence and communications.

This time, reconnaissance aircraft found the caravan at the distant approaches to the Irbensky Strait. It was very unusual: only two ships accompanied by 18 ships. It was not hard to guess that he was transporting some particularly valuable cargo, since he was given such a strong escort. On the other hand, the decrease in the number of transport ships and the increase in the number of cover ships meant that the Germans also drew conclusions from the sad experience for them of the previous two episodes of convoy battles in the Gulf of Riga. It was obvious that the Germans were determined to lead the caravan at all costs with minimal losses.

The main blow to the caravan was to be inflicted by bombers and torpedo boats of the Baltic Fleet. In the Irbensky Strait, coastal batteries were supposed to fire at him, and on the waters of the Gulf of Riga he was to be met by Soviet destroyers. To enable the strike forces to immediately turn around in positions convenient for attack, the convoy was constantly monitored from reconnaissance aircraft. In addition, one destroyer was sent to the area of ​​Cape Kolka, whose task was to lie in wait for the caravan, and then follow it to the mouth of the Dvina, directing strike forces.

At 13:23, when the caravan approached the Irbensky Strait, a detachment of torpedo boats under the command of Lieutenant Commander Sergei Osipov left the Myntu pier on the Sõrve Peninsula. It was covered by fighters from the air. Knowing the exact location of the caravan, the boats easily overtook it at the southern shores of the strait, in the area between Mikeltornis and the Ovisi lighthouse.

Fearing mines and coastal artillery, the caravan went a short distance from the coast. When approaching the enemy, Lieutenant-Commander Osipov identified 2 destroyers, 8 patrol boats and torpedo boats among the escort ships. While Osipov was feeling for the weak point of the caravan, convenient for an attack, bombers flew into place and attacked the transports. One of them turned out to be a tanker filled with fuel. From the explosion of one bomb, he instantly turned into a flaming torch.

Everything was confused in the caravan. Osipov was just waiting for this. Three boats attacked the caravan at maximum speed, aiming at the second transport. German ships, busy repelling an air attack, only at the last moment saw the approaching torpedo boats. It was too late to transfer fire to them. In addition, the boats disappeared in the clouds of smoke from the flaming tanker and, under their cover, were rapidly approaching the second transport. Then they set up their own smokescreen. And at 14:48 torpedoes were launched. The torpedoed transport went to the bottom. And the boats retreated without loss.

The German caravan did not reach its destination. Both vehicles were destroyed. And two destroyers and one patrol boat were damaged. In addition, in the Ventspils area, Soviet planes overtook and sank a minesweeper boat R-169.

All clashes on the waters of the Gulf of Riga in July-August 1941 resulted in greater or lesser successes of the Soviet naval forces. Although the Germans occupied most of the coastline of the gulf, the Baltic Fleet still retained control of the sea and did not allow the supply of the army group "North" by sea.

In tactical terms, these clashes contributed to the improvement of the interaction of various naval, air and ground forces and services, which for a long time became the canon of Soviet naval art.

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  1. Comrade
    Comrade 16 May 2021 04: 32
    +2
    Thank you Paul!
    Your laconic and succinct articles are always interesting to read.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 09: 08
      +3
      Alas, dear colleague, the article is in the section "military-historical fantasy"
      1. Comrade
        Comrade 17 May 2021 13: 47
        0
        Alas for me, a sinner. I am not strong in the themes of the period of the Great Patriotic War.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 14: 11
          +1
          No problem. In the end, in something the same and I have to help you :))))))
  2. avia12005
    avia12005 16 May 2021 05: 31
    +10
    More should be written about such episodes of the initial period of the war. So as not to create a false impression - they say, the RRKA only retreated, fled and surrendered. The Germans were beaten, and they beat them so that they knocked out the best shots.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 May 2021 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: avia12005
      It is about such episodes of the initial period of the war that we need to write more.

      If you write the truth, the picture will be dull. But you can, of course, lie, as an author, and spiritually force the facts to please the philistines who yearn for the heroic pulp. Let's say this:
      For two hours they hunted for the caravan, until by 4:00 in the morning they found it near Cape Mersrags, that is, already approx. 30 miles from Riga. Despite strong barrage fire, the boats managed to break through to the ships of the caravan and sink two of them with well-aimed torpedoes.

      There were no 'well-aimed torpedoes', and the boatmen did not drown anyone.
      The "well-aimed torpedoes" stupidly passed under the barges of the convoy, which had a shallow draft.
      The Germans suffered heavy losses from bombs, torpedoes and artillery fire - three large transports and 25 small units.

      It was an undoubted success

      This is an undeniable lie.
      Losses of the Germans: one assault boat was sunk, two floating batteries and several barges were damaged. Five sailors were killed, 27 were wounded.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 16 May 2021 11: 31
        +2
        Where did the data come from? If possible, link
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 May 2021 11: 04
        +2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        There were no 'well-aimed torpedoes', and the boatmen did not drown anyone.
        The "well-aimed torpedoes" stupidly passed under the barges of the convoy, which had a shallow draft.

        Kamaev wrote in his memoirs that in the first attack on enemy ships in the Irbensky Strait, the torpedoes did not come off at all near the boat on which he served: the capsules of the ejection system oxidized so much during inactivity that they did not work even after several attempts. And no one thought to replace them.
  3. out of habit
    out of habit 16 May 2021 05: 34
    +6
    ... accompanied by eight destroyers or torpedo boats ...
    laughing
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 May 2021 06: 54
      +7
      In-in. Where did the Germans get so many large ships for, in general, banal escorting caravans .. Descriptions of the episodes of the "battles" are given, it seems, according to propaganda tracing papers of Soviet propaganda papers. And the notorious "defeat" of the enemy is described by the type: "write more of them ... adversaries, why pity them ...." laughing
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 16 May 2021 06: 45
    +1
    Excellent naval performance.

    But, practically, on the same August days, the Tallinn crossing took place ...
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 May 2021 11: 30
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      Excellent naval performance

      Yes, wonderful ... Naval reconnaissance hallucinated with some destroyers and cruisers of the Germans in the Gulf of Riga, aviators of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet even reported an attack 15 miles from Ruhnu on three (!) Koeningsberg-class cruisers. The author transformed all these fantasies into a heroic splint, far from the truth.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 May 2021 06: 14
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        The author transformed all these fantasy into a heroic splint, far from the truth.

        It's about specific convoys.

        refute the above.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 May 2021 08: 47
          -1
          Quote: Olgovich
          refute the above.

          What exactly to refute? The spectacle of the fleet and the spirit-lifting reports of the Sovinformburo? What's the point? Long ago refuted by the same Morozov on the basis of archival documents, in particular KTV EVO. According to the Germans, they lost 11 ships in the Baltic for the whole of July. 9 of them - as a result of being blown up by mines, and not only by Soviet mines, but also by our own and Swedish ones. During the described period - from 13.07 to 26.07 - the Germans wrote off 3 vessels as losses: a stormbot (aviation and TKA), a minesweeper М3131 (mine), a boat-TSCh R-169 (aviation). What kind of "pogroms" can we talk about, if all the convoys, supposedly easily beaten by the Red Navy, practically in full force achieved their goal? And to quote the memoir nonsense "Hiley Likely drowned" - this is the bottom. The unconfirmed sinkings are fiction enough for the chapters, but not for the truth.
  5. Cartalon
    Cartalon 16 May 2021 07: 12
    0
    https://youtu.be/ZcKUinDW1aM
  6. Richard
    Richard 16 May 2021 07: 45
    +3
    The first German ships were discovered by the destroyer "Guarding" under the command of the captain of the third rank Yevgeny Zbritsky

    Not certainly in that way. The commander of the "Guarding" Evgeny Pavlovich Zbritsky was a lieutenant-captain.
    Sovinformburo on July 19, 41:
    ... Since the "Proud" and "Ferocious" did not have time to replenish their fuel supplies, only the "Guardian" of Lieutenant Comrade Comrade Lukashenko rushed to intercept the enemy convoy. Zbritsky. When the destroyer approached Moon Island (Muhu), the coastal battery opened fire on it. The "guarding" responded with several volleys of the main battery and the battery fell silent. And soon the signalmen on the way to Riga noticed the ships of the caravan, over which the Soviet bombers circled. At 16 o'clock. 45 minutes "Guarding" attacked the enemy convoy. The first shots of 130-mm cannons covered the enemy's head transports: one started to smoke, the second abruptly sank and began to sink. ... In addition to being defeated by the destroyer's fire, two more enemy transports were blown up here on mines put up by the Tucha and Sneg patrol ships. "Guarding" during the battle was subjected to ineffectual attacks by enemy dive bombers. For this battle, Lieutenant-Commander Comrade E.P. Zbritsky was awarded the second Order of the Red Banner and promoted to captain of the 3rd rank.

    a photo Vice Admiral E.P. Zbritsky
  7. Richard
    Richard 16 May 2021 08: 02
    +5
    In a short time, "Guarding" sank 5 transports and damaged several more. In total, the caravan lost 12 units with supplies for Army Group North.

    Photo. "Guarding" May 1941, Tallinn

    It was a serial project 7 ship with a displacement of 2380 tons.
    The length of the hull is 112,9 m, the width is 10,2 m, the draft is 4 m. The power of the turbo-gear unit is 48 thousand hp.
    Maximum speed 38 knots, economic speed - 19 knots. Cruising range - 1670 miles.
    The destroyer's armament consisted of four 130-mm guns with a range of 139 cab. (25,7 km) For comparison: similar to our "hundred and thirty" German and British 127-mm guns had a range of 15-18 km. On the superstructure, two 76,2-mm universal guns were installed to destroy air and surface targets. There were also two 45-mm semi-automatic universal guns, four 12,7-mm DShK anti-aircraft machine guns, two three-pipe 533-mm torpedo tubes, two bomb-throwers and two paravan-trawls. The destroyer took on board 56 KB anchor mines, 30 large and 24 small depth charges. The crew is 246 people.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 May 2021 08: 49
      -2
      Quote: Richard
      There were also two 45-mm semi-automatic universal guns,

      Greetings Dmitry, after all, the 45-heels were really only quarter-automatic guns, although they were considered semi-automatic.
      1. Richard
        Richard 16 May 2021 09: 21
        +2
        Good weekend, Nikolay
        all the guns produced by the plant up to 1935 did not have a semi-automatic shutter. Closing the bolt when sending the next cartridge, and opening it manually. In the 21-K systems produced after 1935, a semi-automatic inertial type was introduced - the shutter opening after a shot is now automatic.
        45-mm semi-automatic universal gun 21-K

        TTH:
        Caliber - 45 mm
        Loading principle Single unitary
        Rate of fire, rounds per minute 20 - 25
        Barrel length full, mm / calibers - 2072 / 46,1
        The length of the threaded part - 1650
        Number of grooves - 16
        Rifling stroke length - 25 klb
        Depth of grooves - 0,5 mm
        Oscillating part weight - 203-222 kg
        Weight of the recoiling parts of the barrel - 123 kg
        Barrel weight with shutter - 107-115 kg
        Shutter weight - 10,5 kg
        Rollback length - 270-300 mm
        The height of the line of fire - 1215 mm
        Sweeping radius, muzzle / breech - 1097/975 mm
        Calculation - 3 people.
        Firing range ballistic high-explosive projectile F73, armor-piercing B-240 and fragmentation tracer OR-73A weighing 1,41 kg - 9200 m
        Reach in height, m ​​6000 (7000)
        Installation calculation, people 3-4
        Ammunition per barrel 195 - type M submarines of the VI-series, 250 - type L submarines of the XI-series, on surface ships from 300 to 2000
        Firing range ballistic high-explosive projectile O-240 weighing 2,14 kg - 5000 m
        Sight - ShB-1M
    2. Macsen_wledig
      Macsen_wledig 16 May 2021 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: Richard
      Photo. "Guarding" May 1941, Tallinn

      Post-war photo: Redan-2 is visible on the KDP
  8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 May 2021 09: 40
    +11
    In a short time, "Guarding" sank 5 transports and damaged several more.

    And also destroyed the heavy cruiser "Blucher", 8 submarines, and torpedoed the battleship "Tirpitz", yeah.
    In general, the article is a masterpiece. From the author it turns out that on July 18 (second convoy) the losses of the Germans amounted to
    In total, the caravan lost 12 units with supplies for Army Group North.

    It is a pity that the Germans do not know about this
    In the KTV of the Commander of the minesweepers there is an entry in this regard: “Convoy escort without loss was a miracle... The Russians showed up a few minutes later. Despite the enemy superiority at sea and in the air, all ships that took part in escorting the convoy are combat-ready».
    Regarding the shelling of the convoy "Guarding". After the war, his achievements were reduced from 5 sunk transport ships to 2 damaged. But, again, the Germans have their own opinion on this.
    The following details follow from the history of the 3rd TKA flotilla: the TKA group covering the 3rd convoy group (TKA-29, -45, -47, -54; the long-range cover group and the 1st link, covering the 1st KON group ( -59, -57) by this time was already in the port of Riga) was notified by a reconnaissance aircraft about the approach of the enemy in the direction of 300 degrees - i.e. The "guard" went straight to the stern with the convoy and overtook him. Smoke was spotted shortly thereafter, followed by EM. The TKA deployed in front formation and attacked at full speed. When the distance was reduced to 7000 m, EM opened fire, and the TKA turned around and began to put a smoke screen, under the cover of which they planned to attack. EM stopped approaching and fired at the ships, but did not hit. Many shells exploded on the Ust-Dvinsk pier. TKA further did not approach each other and did not launch torpedoes. Half an hour later, EM lay down on the opposite course and went to the North.
    At 17.21 the headquarters of the KR asked the TSC 5th flotilla for a detailed report indicating all losses and damages. At 17.37 the 5th flotilla responded that at 17.00 the convoy together with the TSC arrived in Riga. "As a result of the battle with the Russian torpedo cruiser, there are no casualties." At 20.28:5, the 1th flotilla added that the ships had 22.55 seriously wounded and several lightly wounded as a result of being hit by aerial bombs. The ships have no significant damage. At 2, the 168nd fl. MTShch repeated the damage to MTShch-30 and added that MTShch-31 and MTShch-19 have operational damage to the motors, which will be repaired by the evening of July XNUMX ".
    In general, we could not even scratch this convoy.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 May 2021 10: 29
      +2
      In this regard, the reports of the "Sovinformburo" are indicative of the type: "The Soviet army, the Navy and the Air Force are valiantly fighting the German fascist enemy, heroically inflicting heavy losses on him, shot down in a day: 100 tanks, 100 aircraft shot down, 100 ships and boats drowned, killed 10000 enemy soldiers with minimal losses ... On all fronts, the enemy suffers heavy losses .. He is forced to bring his reserves into battle ... As a result, the Soviet troops are forced to withdraw from the defended positions and leave the city ... The encircled troops successfully smash the Nazis in surrounded by pulling back their forces, the retreating troops were entrenched in new positions ... "
      1. Macsen_wledig
        Macsen_wledig 16 May 2021 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: Snail N9
        In this respect, the reports of "Sovinformburo" are indicative of the following type:

        So the reports of the Sovinformburo were not aimed at 100% truthfulness in the facts, but at calming the population, instilling in them that things were not going as badly as rumors say ...
        Well, the allies also listened to our reports.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 May 2021 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: Snail N9
        In this respect, the reports of "Sovinformburo" of the type

        Well, yes, but for reports this is just normal - there is also propaganda, it is necessary. The Germans wrote their reports in the same way. They didn’t report their losses at all, they didn’t even count them plainly.
        But writing an article with a claim to historicity based on summaries is, of course ... um ...
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 16 May 2021 12: 35
      +3
      Andrey, good afternoon. hi
      Well, you, together with Epitaphich, tore up the author "like Tuzik a heating pad." smile
      Of course, 100% trust in memoirs, and even more so in the reports of the Sovinformburo, is absolutely thankless. I, somehow always, since Soviet times, have been guided by the actions of our fleet according to the book of Friedrich Ruge (with appropriate discounts, of course), at least in his book the Germans did not sink our ships "in batches", there are only confirmed losses.
      So, he literally has two lines about the war in the Baltic. About our Baltic Fleet he wrote that he behaved passively and without initiative, as in the First World War (just such a comparison), but in terms of artillery "beyond praise", and finding themselves in a difficult situation, the crews fought to the end. In general, he put a big minus only for our command, but not for the crews of the ships. He wrote that only submarines were taken out of our entire fleet by the Germans, but when the Gulf of Finland was finally blocked off, this danger also disappeared. Of course, his memoirs also need to be passed through a filter, but the frankly transcendental lies were not present there.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 May 2021 17: 32
        +4
        Hello, Konstantin! hi
        Quote: Sea Cat
        In general, he put a big minus only for our command, but not for the crews of the ships.

        How can I say? To be honest, the fleet was prepared for war very badly. There were, in the main, quite objective reasons for this, including a banal lack of funds. As a result, the fleet fought quite often bravely but ineptly. Although, of course, there were also quite successful operations of the fleet. In general, it was very different. There was "Tashkent", which showed itself from the best side, and there was "Chervona Ukraine", which was simply profanely profiled. But there was also Shch-408, which took its last battle in the very first military campaign, damaged the BDB-188 in an artillery battle, but received damage that precluded the continuation of the battle. It remained either to surrender, or to fight to the last shell, but in either case the ship was doomed. The crew decided to try to save the ship - to dive on the damaged submarine, realizing that if it fails to be repaired, then the entire crew will remain with it forever ...
        ... Shch-408 could not surface, becoming a mass grave for the crew. This is the heroism of some transcendental values.
        In general, the theme of our Navy in WWII is very complex and multifaceted. I'm not risking taking it, yet.
        1. Mike_E
          Mike_E 16 May 2021 17: 53
          +4
          The banal truth - heroism - is the result of someone's criminal mistake.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 14: 15
            +2
            Quote: Mike_E
            The banal truth - heroism - is the result of someone's criminal mistake.

            Yes, you see how ... Sch-408 was found, most likely due to an oil leak. And the oil was leaking, most likely, due to poor-quality repairs. And the repairs were done by Leningrad workers in the first winter of the blockade, in the very horror, when people hung themselves with hooks from the machines so that they would not fall from hunger weakness.
            Who to blame?
            1. Mike_E
              Mike_E 17 May 2021 22: 37
              0
              You provoke a difficult, ambiguous answer. Here you can pull in the 303rd with its silence, and the command, which almost to certain death sent our boats, and hungry workers, and aviation, which did not come, and much more. And in the end, a submarine surface artillery battle with a natural end ...
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 16 May 2021 18: 34
          0
          And it is worth taking on, there is too much of everything around the fleet, especially recently.
  9. smaug78
    smaug78 16 May 2021 12: 38
    +3
    In the ranks of the Samsonovs and Frolovs, replenishment ...
  10. Mike_E
    Mike_E 16 May 2021 17: 51
    +6
    It is disgusting to write pseudo-historical articles. But it is even more disgusting to publish them in this section. Who in this case is the greater evil, the question is obvious. Against this background, superethnos and other Tartaria look much more harmless.
  11. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 May 2021 15: 28
    +2
    About our Baltic Fleet he wrote that he behaved passively and without initiative, as in the First World War (just such a comparison), but in terms of artillery "beyond praise", and finding themselves in a difficult situation, the crews fought to the end. In general, he put a big minus only for our command, but not for the crews of the ships. He wrote that only submarines were taken out of our entire fleet by the Germans, but when the Gulf of Finland was finally blocked off, this danger also disappeared.

    The material has nothing to do with facts, but I'm not talking about it, but about Admiral Ruge.
    1. He notices Solomin in the eyes of Soviet admirals, but does not notice the beam in his own eyes. If the Red Banner Baltic Fleet behaved passively, then how should it assess the behavior of the Kriegsmarine in 1941-42 in the Baltic, when they had a huge superiority in surface ships and in aviation and in submarines. And they pelted the sea with mines and thus made it impossible to use this superiority. If we put the minus of the Soviet command, then the command of the Kriegsmarine should be shot for acting in the service of the enemy.
    2. The Germans got only submarines, boats and aircraft, but the same can be said about the German fleet. They used large ships only for the defense of their bases, as the Soviet fleet did.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 May 2021 18: 07
      0
      Quote: Kostadinov
      If the Red Banner Baltic Fleet behaved passively, then how should it assess the behavior of the Kriegsmarine in 1941-42 in the Baltic, when they had a huge superiority in surface ships and in aviation and in submarines. And they pelted the sea with mines and thus made it impossible to use this superiority.

      So after the evacuation from Tallinn, it was impossible to use superiority in ships and submarines - they simply had no goals for them. And in the Tallinn passage (as in the evacuation of Hanko), German mines were more effective than ships and submarines.
  12. Klonser
    Klonser 19 May 2021 00: 44
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    I haven't read such nonsense for a long time
  13. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 19 May 2021 15: 39
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    So after the evacuation from Tallinn, it was impossible to use superiority in ships and submarines - they simply had no goals for them. And in the Tallinn passage (as in the evacuation of Hanko), German mines were more effective than ships and submarines.

    The main goal for the Kriegsmarine in 1941 and in the war at sea as a whole was to strike with all the forces of the main enemy on the decisive front of the war. In other words, they will attack Leningrad from the sea. This is a decisive operation for the Eastern Front. For this, they had everything they needed - surface ships, minesweepers, landing ships, air superiority.
    And they sent ships to attack Svalbard.