"To replace the FN Minimi": Belgium has developed a new "ultralight" light machine gun FN Herstal

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The armies of the NATO bloc countries may soon receive a new light machine gun, which will finally replace the FN Minimi. The development was presented by the Belgian company FN Herstal, known for its small arms weapons, writes the bmpd blog.

The new development of the Belgians is an "ultralight" belt-fed FN EVOLYS light machine gun and is positioned as a support weapon for the squad-platoon level. The weapon is designed in two basic versions: chambered for 5,56 x 45 mm and 7,62 x 51 mm. The difference in the models is minimal, except for the caliber it concerns the curb weight, barrel length and tape length.



In the version chambered for 5,56 mm, the curb weight of the FN Herstal machine gun is 5,5 kg, barrel length - 355 mm, total length (from the butt position) - 850 - 950 mm, uses belts for 100 or 200 rounds. In the version chambered for 7,62 mm, the curb weight is slightly higher and is 6,2 kg, the barrel length is 406 mm, the total length is 925 - 1025 mm. Uses 50 rounds tape. The belts are fed from special soft boxes.

The effective firing range is declared at 800 and 1000 meters for 5,56 and 7,62 mm calibers, respectively, the rate of fire is 750 rounds per minute.

The machine gun widely uses aluminum alloys and plastics, which led to a significant reduction in weight. The FN Herstal design is based on the principle of removing powder gases from the bore, with an open breech and a short-stroke gas piston. There is a fire switch from automatic to single, a long Picattini bar is installed. The machine gun is adapted for use by left-handed people.
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  1. -18
    11 May 2021 12: 02
    Neighing cleanly: the name of the company "Herstal" - Her. New steel. :)
    1. +7
      11 May 2021 13: 25
      I like to write nonsense - God help. But first, we would look into the history of FN.
    2. +1
      11 May 2021 15: 06
      Knowledge of languages ​​is very helpful and saves you from not very funny jokes!
      1. +3
        11 May 2021 16: 05
        The light machine gun, with the weight of a semi-automatic shotgun, is quite impressive.
        FN is a serious company. He changes his Minimi to his own new one.
        Given their experience and reputation, this machine gun should be a new model for everyone. hi
        It is strange that they did not do it in the promising 6,5mm caliber.
        Apparently, the topic of switching to new cartridges is still hanging?
        1. +1
          12 May 2021 01: 10
          Quote: Alex777
          FN is a serious company. He changes his Minimi to his own new one.
          Given their experience and reputation, this machine gun should be a new model for everyone.

          Well, in fact, there were a lot of questions for Minimi, at first, but over time, they solved most of them.
          The latest generations of Minimi are just candy

          However, the article does not indicate the most (in my opinion), its main difference from Minimi, and its main plus:
          The tape receiver is located on the left of the receiver, at an angle downward, its cover swings sideways and forward. In this way, the entire upper part of the receiver provides a fixed and continuous base for mounting any modern riflescope with an integrated long length Picatinny rail.

          It is strange that they did not do it in the promising 6,5mm caliber
          There is a competition, and its participants.
          FN does not participate in it.
          1. -1
            12 May 2021 10: 41
            Dmitry, have you ever fired from a Mini (М249) in a real battle ??? One and a half boxes, and, a white fur-bearing animal - the barrel leads from excessive heating, and this is with a gentle firing mode.
  2. -5
    11 May 2021 12: 05
    the easier it is, the sooner it breaks
    1. -5
      11 May 2021 12: 11
      Belgium. They can't fight him.
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        1. +20
          11 May 2021 12: 39
          Quote: Anti-Communist
          FN FAL, more popular than AK, and earning the nickname "the right hand of the free world" sends you warm greetings

          FN FAL - 2 million
          AK - 100 million
          But yes, yes, of course more popular ...
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            1. +22
              11 May 2021 12: 51
              Quote: Anti-Communist
              More. Because FN FAL bought for their own money from the budget, and AK all sorts of bantustans got freebies. while the FN FAL was in service with more than 90 countries.

              In addition, from FN they killed all sorts of totalitarian scoundrels and, in general, this is a rifle created for the sake of world peace. But the AK is an opponent of democracy and all good, fighting against all bad. You need to understand the difference!
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                1. +10
                  11 May 2021 13: 11
                  Nonsense, NATO countries and their allies do not buy Soviet / Russian weapons, with rare exceptions, not because they are worse, but because the United States forces them all to buy NATO-standard weapons and preferably American ones.

                  And again, the United States itself, then and now, buys Soviet-style weapons in Bulgaria and other countries in order to arm the Taliban in Afghanistan and various terrorists in Syria with it for FREE.

                  Therefore, there is no need for hypocrisy and fairy tales about democracy.

                  Russian weapons are taken not only for free, but often for money, for a lot of money, because they are more reliable and often more effective.

                  Even Poles-Russophobes fly on ancient MiG-29s, because five dozen new F-16s are idle due to breakdowns and a lack of spare parts.

                  And Poland has a third of Russia's GDP, more than 10 billion military budget, and the F-16 cannot be repaired. They would very much like to buy Russian missiles for the MiG-29, but for POLITICAL reasons they will not.

                  And with your comments, you just showed that you are a stupid troll and that's it.
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                    1. +3
                      11 May 2021 14: 17
                      ... Russian NATO-caliber shotguns are often not produced.

                      And what have the guns to do with it? For a hunting rifle, there is no NATO standard in calibers. As for the army WEAPON (not guns), a sufficient number of rifle models for the NATO caliber are produced in Russia.
                      ... I wanted to take a Beretta of caliber 7,62 Tokarev

                      Show me someone who would like to do such a stupid thing. laughing
                      1. +3
                        11 May 2021 18: 24
                        Sorry if I need to write in a simplified way, the translator does not translate Italian well.
                        1) I didn't talk about hunting weapons.
                        2) I spoke about pistols because I believe that better pistols are produced in Europe than in Russia and the USA.
                        3) there is Norinco NP762, a clone of SIG, in feces. 7,62 tokarev. Here I like the 7,62 caliber Tokarev and would like it in modern weapons. But not Chinese. Beretta px4 or APX caliber. I would like 7,62 tokarev
                      2. +1
                        11 May 2021 18: 49
                        Except for the Chinese, no one uses the TT cartridge (I don't remember how North Korea); it has a weak stopping effect with good penetrating power.
                      3. +1
                        11 May 2021 18: 47
                        You are right about the army rifles. I haven't visited Kalashnikov's website for a long time. Can you give me news about heavy and light machine guns ????
                      4. +1
                        11 May 2021 19: 00
                        AK-19


                        Caliber 5.56
                        Shop, cartridges:
                        30
                        Length, mm:
                        685/935
                        Weight, kg:
                        3,5
                        Barrel length, mm
                        415
                        Used ammunition
                        5.56x45
                        Butt
                        folding
                      5. 0
                        11 May 2021 21: 34
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        AK-19

                        Used ammunition
                        5.56x45
                        Butt
                        folding
                        Or you can specify that AK-19 stores are compatible with M-16, 4 ...
                        NATO standard STANAG 4179 if that ...
                      6. +1
                        11 May 2021 18: 49
                        You are right about the army rifles. I haven't visited Kalashnikov's website for a long time. Can you give me news on NATO caliber heavy and light machine guns ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
                      7. 0
                        11 May 2021 18: 56
                        AK - 308




                        Tactical and technical characteristics of AK-308:
                        Caliber - 7,62 mm.
                        Patron - 7,62x51 NATO.
                        Weight - kg 4,3 (with magazine, without cartridges).
                        Overall length / with bayonet - 880-940 / 1045-1105 mm.
                        Length with folded butt - 690 mm.
                        Barrel length - 415 mm.
                        Height - 242 mm.
                        The width is 72 mm.
                        Store capacity - 20 cartridges.
                        Butt - folding, adjustable in length (4 position).
                        The sight is diopter.
                      8. +1
                        11 May 2021 18: 50
                        You are right about the army rifles. I haven't visited Kalashnikov's website for a long time. Can you give me news on NATO caliber heavy and light machine guns ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
                      9. +1
                        11 May 2021 18: 53
                        As far as I know, we do not produce machine guns chambered for NATO, neither light nor heavy.
                      10. +1
                        12 May 2021 10: 56
                        Our lungs are not really produced. The PKK is, in fact, not a machine gun, but an assault rifle with a heavy barrel.
                      11. 0
                        12 May 2021 11: 23
                        Is this about how the Americans turned the M14 into a light machine gun? True, there the cartridge was much more powerful than 7,62 × 51 mm.

                        The M14A1 automatic rifle with a pistol grip, a folding front grip, a removable flash suppressor and folding bipod was used as a light machine gun.
                      12. +1
                        12 May 2021 11: 29
                        There was also Ruger .. (I think) the development of the M4 in caliber 5,56 and a magazine for 30 rounds ..... competitor AP15
                      13. 0
                        12 May 2021 11: 41
                        The Ruger Mini-14 is a self-loading carbine chambered for .223 Remington or 5,56 × 45 mm, is a rework of the M14 "Garand" rifle chambered for a low-impulse cartridge. And it has nothing to do with M4 (you probably just have a typo).

                      14. +1
                        12 May 2021 11: 54
                        No ... I confused it from memory
                  2. +2
                    11 May 2021 14: 09
                    As for aircraft, it is necessary that exports be a single engine that could use Russian and Western weapons without any problems.
                    1. +2
                      11 May 2021 18: 27
                      Why, when I say that a single-engine aircraft that could use Russian and Western weapons would be successful for export, I take the minus sign ???? laughing
                      1. 0
                        11 May 2021 19: 05
                        Do not pay attention to the minus, there are people who like to throw them around here. I slightly corrected your karma. smile drinks
                      2. +2
                        11 May 2021 19: 13
                        thanks
                        Thank you
                      3. 0
                        11 May 2021 19: 17
                        For friends, you are always welcome. smile

                        Go to History, it can be interesting there. drinks
                  3. +1
                    11 May 2021 14: 17
                    The problem is that Russian NATO-caliber rifles are often not produced. It is also assumed that Russian-caliber small arms will be produced in the West for export. One thing I'm sure of: European pistol factories are ahead of all others. However, I would like the Tokarev Beretta pistol of 7,62 mm caliber.
                    1. 0
                      11 May 2021 20: 37
                      However, I would like the Tokarev Beretta pistol of 7,62 mm caliber.
                      do not understand. Do you want a Beretta 92 pistol chambered for 7.62 x 25? or TT under the Beretta caliber?
                      1. 0
                        11 May 2021 20: 48
                        That's right, new handgun, beretta or glock, caliber 7,62 Tokarev
                      2. 0
                        12 May 2021 10: 58
                        At one time they advertised some kind of Stechkin pistol (not APS) under three calibers ... but something is not heard about him. and, in general, about 7,62 (7,63) x25 is not particularly audible now ..... although it is quite powerful
              2. +2
                11 May 2021 13: 42
                In addition, from FN they killed all sorts of totalitarian villains


                This photo shows a group of white African freedom fighters ( laughing ) and the left "goose" has just FN FAL.
                1. -1
                  11 May 2021 14: 07
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  And with your comments, you just showed that you are a stupid troll and that's it.
                  Even silly trolling requires a bit of brains, and this subject has solid plasticine between his ears. So don't flatter.
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  This photo shows a group of white African freedom fighters ( laughing ) and the left "goose" has just FN FAL.

                  But the Euro-mercenaries, by definition, cannot but be democratic and the most wonderful, which, as it were, confirms ... wassat
              3. +3
                11 May 2021 14: 12
                Exactly the opposite. Kalash is a weapon of freedom - freedom from Anglo-Saxon freedom, which is actually a new form of slavery.
              4. 0
                11 May 2021 15: 53
                You are communicating with a troll who cited as an example against Kalashnikov an almost complete analogue of our SVD.
                1. -1
                  11 May 2021 16: 42
                  What a troll, I believe. That the analogue of the SVD is not.
                  1. 0
                    11 May 2021 16: 46
                    How are they so different? In design, yes, but almost the same in purpose and characteristics.
                    1. +1
                      11 May 2021 21: 11
                      Thank you, laughed.
                      1. +1
                        11 May 2021 21: 40
                        You can still laugh further, not the first laughing one caught.
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          2. 0
            11 May 2021 18: 23
            Sravnili pulemjot s automatom, nekorektno
          3. 0
            12 May 2021 09: 19
            Quote: Aleksandre
            FN FAL - 2 million
            AK - 100 million

            For the sake of completeness, it is worth noting that in Soviet times, AK was generously supplied "for so" to many Papuans, and licenses for its production were distributed to everyone, which greatly contributed to its distribution. FN FAL was still sold for more or less full price.
        2. +1
          11 May 2021 12: 57
          Quote: Anti-Communist
          FN FAL, more popular than AK

          Have you heard about mice and cactus?
          AK is chosen where the battles are really going on.
          1. +1
            11 May 2021 13: 26
            FN FAL looks more like our SVD than a competitor for AK.
            1. -1
              12 May 2021 11: 06
              According to the scheme, yes. in fact, no. Mass rifle with machine gun cartridge. An analogue of Tokarev .... there were many more Western ones under this first NATO caliber. from 7,62 they tried to make a single intermediate caliber. But it came out too powerful ... and then they took 5,56 ... and the SVD - initially - a sniper rifle ...
              The only thing is that the level of European metallurgy and its machine-tool industry can play in favor of FN FAL. What we did piece by piece could be produced there in the general order. Now in NATO, for example, the role of our SVD is performed by the AR-15 variants with calibers and 5,56x45 and 7,62x51 ..... with not the worst accuracy and, for sure, the best sights.
          2. +1
            12 May 2021 11: 00
            FN FAL - it holds the record for the number of assault rifles sold for money .... and licenses for it. For money.
      2. +2
        11 May 2021 12: 56
        well, they sell to those who fight?
      3. +2
        11 May 2021 14: 31
        Quote: Pereira
        They can't fight him

        Yes Yes. And NATO countries are not equipped with Belgian weapons, and the MAG machine gun is not the most popular machine gun in the world, yes, yes. wassat
  3. +1
    11 May 2021 12: 42
    The author of the note forgot to mention that the design of the new machine gun includes a hydraulic shock absorber of the bolt group, which compensates for the low weight of the device.

    The 400-mm barrel is what is needed for the 6,8x51 mm Furi cartridge with a chamber pressure of 5500 atmospheres and an initial velocity of a 9-gram bullet of 900 m / s.
    1. 0
      11 May 2021 13: 04
      Quote: Operator
      400mm barrel - just what you need for the 6,8x51mm Furi cartridge

      the author described only 2 cartridges - 5.56 and 7.62
      unless something is said about 6.8?
      1. -3
        11 May 2021 13: 58
        Nothing prevents you from installing the barrel for use 6,8x51 mm, which coincides with the 7,62x51 mm along the length of the cartridge and the diameter of the sleeve.
  4. -2
    11 May 2021 13: 03
    The effective firing range is declared at ... 100 meters

    probably this is a great achievement, but it seemed to me for a slingshot, not a machine gun.
    1. 0
      11 May 2021 15: 07
      I often read that AKM is effective at 200 meters, then apparently they went even further, claiming a hundred meters. But seriously, of course we lost zero.
      1. -1
        11 May 2021 15: 34
        1000 is also frivolous.
        sighting range - easy, but ... efficiency?
        I will just remind you that the Americans have been engaged in a program of increasing the compartment fire range up to 20 meters for 800 years, previously there was a standard of 400.
        1. 0
          11 May 2021 15: 37
          Well, no matter how serious, our commandos in Afghanistan considered the limit of 600 meters for themselves. Moreover, they believed that at such distances they had no advantages over the enemy without the support of artillery and aviation. ...
          1. +1
            11 May 2021 15: 55
            the special forces have their own standards. They often reason from the position of 100% hitting the target.
            therefore, for example, for SVD, it is not recommended to shoot further than 300 meters. Not because they will not hit, but because from such a distance, if you aim at the eye, you will get there.
            And ordinary infantry has completely different standards. They reason from the point of view of hitting the height and up to the shoulders of the target.
            1. -2
              11 May 2021 16: 06
              Well, about 300 meters this is too modest, you can go much further on a fixed target. After all, the SVD allows you to fire a queue for a confident defeat.
  5. -3
    11 May 2021 13: 08
    Go around with caustic pseudo-patriotic comments :)))
    Taking into account the fact that they themselves still do not (massively in the troops) have an adequate light machine gun.
    1. +5
      11 May 2021 13: 21
      But there are very decent AK-74s and Pechenegs.
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 16: 01
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        adequate light machine gun

        and what should it be?
        name at least one such a decent machine!
        After all, we are not talking about some kind of theoretical machine gun, where something like MG3 drives, but about its specific niches - a light machine gun of the rifle squad. And in specific harsh conditions, what machine can you call decent? I must say right away that the United States and other countries have already begun to refuse from the minimum. Disappointing machine guns based on 5.56 caliber, 7.62 are too heavy. And a bunch of attempts to create such a machine gun, including in the bullpup layout, ended in disappointment.
        Now they are trying to give birth to something in an intermediate caliber, but they are not taking anything into service. Our PKK seems to be ideal on the one hand, but it also has a number of drawbacks.
        1. +1
          11 May 2021 16: 04
          About an adequate light machine gun, this is not my quote. But I think the AK-74 is quite decent, allowing it to hit moving targets in bursts at distances of even more than 400 meters. Where is it even better?
          1. -1
            11 May 2021 16: 10
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            AK-74 ... 400


            today 400 meters is a completely insufficient distance.
            at this distance, already quite decently, dozens of different automatic rifles are capable of working. And the Umerikon M4 with an elongated barrel and optics are already working at 800m (not ideal, but they work). Why do you need a hose that has no advantages over an assault rifle? In addition, the 5.56 bullet does not at all contribute to high-quality accuracy and destructive action at distances beyond 300-400m. Therefore, ak-74 is only conditionally suitable.
            And to be honest, many believe that the AK-47 with a normal barrel is more accurate.
            For me, in general, there is nothing better than SVDK.
            1. +1
              11 May 2021 16: 13
              I meant shooting in bursts, at moving targets, where the AK-74 is very good, with optics at a moving target it is inconvenient to shoot.
              1. -1
                11 May 2021 17: 12
                now even bursts of fire are like the MG-42 - literally in half a second you fire up a bunch of bullets and that's it. It turns out like a shot with a shot, only more heap.
            2. 0
              11 May 2021 21: 29
              In every Western publication, we read that the 7,62x39 ammunition is rather inaccurate. However, this is not due to the characteristics of the ammunition, but to the long free wheeling of the "Ak" barrel. Hope the translator translates well
              1. 0
                11 May 2021 22: 59
                I regularly hear that AK has a strong recoil, but for some reason, I did not notice it. It seems to me that these are all minor factors.
                Although, when you look at the shooting of the A545, the KORD looks very good.
                And about the accuracy is not true, rather it is true about the accuracy when firing bursts.
              2. +2
                12 May 2021 00: 28
                Quote: Decimalegio
                In every Western publication, we read that 7,62x39 ammunition is rather inaccurate.

                Gross Soviet and Russian ammunition - yes, there are problems with tolerances, landing, hitching, etc. etc.
                At the same time, there are a large number of large and small manufacturers around the world who produce good, accurate 7,62x39mm rounds.
                Most diverse of all, this caliber is represented, of course, in America. There is ammunition for every taste.
                However, this is not due to the characteristics of the ammunition, but to the large free-wheeling length of the "Ak" barrel.
                Probably still a gas piston, not a barrel.
                The accuracy of any weapon is 60% exactly the cartridge.
                And the AK system itself can be tuned to such that it approaches the characteristics of sniper rifles.
              3. +1
                12 May 2021 11: 53
                I don’t know what kind of inaccuracy we are talking about
                Kalash with high-quality barrels are used even by snipers
                Americans who produce Kalash with normal barrels are also very pleased with the accuracy. Only our infantry has machine guns with barrels that are sharpened with a second or third pass and therefore curves or generally a shortened Kalash, and there is no question of accuracy at all
                If they talk about recoil and dispersion when firing in bursts, they are also taught to shoot single ones with the M4, and the two-round bursts from the AK-47 are quite accurate.
                In the production of cartridges, the quality is also not ideal, which affects the shooting.
                but the caliber does not characterize it at all.
                If we want, we will make ak-47 at 2-3 more expensive, which can embroider with a cross at a distance of 200 meters.
                I myself shot from an old broken-down Kalash at a distance of 300m.
                after zeroing in without optics, all the bullets fell into a simulated watermelon. What precision is still needed?
                1. 0
                  12 May 2021 12: 21
                  If they talk about recoil and dispersion when firing bursts, they also teach to shoot single ones with the M4, and the two-round bursts from the AK-47 are quite accurate

                  The main thing is the shooting experience. For example, I could calmly shoot out of the Kalash singles when the translator was on the automatic, and when you hold the AKM with your left thumb on top of the gas outlet pipe, the automatic does not even toss. You can also store the belt through your left hand, it also does not throw.
                  1. 0
                    12 May 2021 12: 26
                    I will add pictures from the RPD-44, popular recognition, even shortened


                    For the jungle, that's it. Reliability, ribbon feeding, the present is a well forgotten past.
                  2. 0
                    12 May 2021 13: 07
                    And I could calmly shoot a burst of 10-15 rounds from the AK-74 and held it in the usual correct way, from my knee, hit a moving target at 600 meters, but wearing glasses due to a slight myopia. Without glasses, I calmly hit 450 meters in a long line.
                    No special experience is required for such shooting.
                    1. 0
                      12 May 2021 13: 13
                      I'm talking about the vaunted regime - two shots, cutoff. He fired singles in automatic mode. And there is no need to compare 5,45 and 7,62.
                      1. +1
                        12 May 2021 13: 18
                        I did not notice about AKM in the text, I read it inattentively. And if it goes deeper, then the two-shot-cutoff mode, I don't understand. Yes, they taught this, insisted on it, but I don't understand why.
                        If you missed with the first bullet, then you will miss the second for sure. Correction of incorrect shooting is possible only on a long line, observing the flight of tracers. You can see both the aiming error and the wind blown off the queue.
            3. 0
              12 May 2021 11: 45
              Ak also became different and the range there increased to 600 m
              1. +1
                12 May 2021 12: 42
                What is the range? 600 meters?
    2. 0
      11 May 2021 13: 37
      what do you mean by the requirements for an adequate light machine gun?
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 13: 59
        You yourself should think about modernizing or replacing the RPK-74, for example, if you imagine Madsen with a 5.45x39 cartridge, a short stroke for a machine gun is not bad, you can change the barrel.
        1. +1
          11 May 2021 15: 04
          Why would he, RPK-74, change the barrel if he has a magazine for 45 rounds. And it seems they are already training, then the RPK-16, then the RPL-20 are invented.
          By and large, the RPK-74 is not a machine gun at all, but a decent automatic rifle.
          1. -4
            11 May 2021 15: 36
            it is a light machine gun and after many options, including minimi, the US Army has come to the conclusion that there is no better formula than the PKK. And now they revolve around their version with a caliber 6.5 (6.8) and a magazine for 30-35 rounds. I have already seen about 15 variants of such a machine gun.
            1. 0
              11 May 2021 15: 40
              By the capacity of the store, this is not a machine gun in any way, only the bipod helps him to save the loud name of the machine gun.
              And have you tried to stick your head out of the trench with such a long magazine? You are with him as in the palm of your hand in front of the enemy, there is something to think about.
              1. -1
                11 May 2021 15: 52
                why stick out?
                If we are talking about how to shoot lying down, then there is no particular difference with other machine guns, and the PKK barrel allows you to shoot quite confidently and accurately at 600 meters. I have not tried it further.
                1. 0
                  11 May 2021 15: 58
                  So they didn't try to shoot from the parapet. Even in the AK, the store rests on the ground and does not allow you to hide when firing, especially in the PKK, and there it is even longer.
                  In classic machine guns, the box with the tape is not so high and allows you to sit lower. It seems like a trifle, but it seems not.
                  So, I find the work in the direction of RPL-20 very correct.
                  1. 0
                    11 May 2021 16: 11
                    I didn't shoot from the parapet - only on the shooting range lying down and from the tank.
                    1. 0
                      11 May 2021 16: 18
                      DP light machine gun Degtyarev during the Great Patriotic War, after all, the junk is frank. But, pay attention to how the store is located and how easy it is to hide with it.
                      1. 0
                        12 May 2021 01: 35
                        Machine gun MG5 (USA). Pay attention to which sight is attached to the machine

                        Do we have similar designs?
                      2. +3
                        12 May 2021 01: 44
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Machine gun MG5 (USA)

                        MachinenGever! And the flag on the soldier's shoulder, again, hints. So not the USA, definitely wassat

                        Do we have similar designs?

                        No, no. However, no one except the Germans has them - they used such a machine back in World War II for MG42 ...
                      3. 0
                        12 May 2021 01: 50
                        Quote: psiho117
                        MachinenGever! And the flag on the soldier's shoulder, again, hints. So not the USA, definitely

                        what Yes indeed. For me, for some reason, it was written with a jamb, but I did not even think to take a closer look.
                        Quote: psiho117
                        No, no. However, no one except the Germans has them - they used this machine back in World War II for MG42 ...

                        Thanks for the information.
                        About such a power supply of the machine gun was not mentioned here yet.
                        The machine gun is lower, but here's a hump on the back ...
                      4. +1
                        12 May 2021 11: 32
                        The ns had one end with a flexible cable in the sight, in the second you look ....... there are such artillery ... you can bungle.
        2. 0
          12 May 2021 11: 51
          This is what the RPK 16 thinks.
    3. -3
      11 May 2021 14: 14
      Well, Duc, and you, too, do not, although by all the worlds.
  6. -6
    11 May 2021 13: 54
    Frankly speaking, I'm surprised. Well, what the hell do they want with a machine gun, where and when did they fight and who did they defeat? Is that for sale, for commercial purposes, so to speak.
    1. +5
      11 May 2021 14: 42
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, what the hell is a machine gun to them, where and when did they fight and whom did they defeat?

      Are you kidding? Belgian weapons are catching up in popularity with Soviet ones, but only Soviet ones - they gave away a freebie, and Belgian weapons are bought for a lot of money.
      And yes, Belgian machine guns are the most common in the world.
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 21: 08
        Their machine guns are wonderful, but it looks like they stepped on the same rake as we did with Degtyarev's 7,62 mm machine gun half a century ago, where there was an increased mass and insufficient reliability.
  7. 0
    11 May 2021 14: 30
    Did I miss something? Holy cow FN Minimi already fso, does not meet the requirements? And where is the unique dual system of ammunition supply from tapes and magazines of the STANAG standard? And another point, the large height of the receiver of the machine gun is surprising, given that the cartridges enter the chamber through the "flashing" system.
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      11 May 2021 14: 59
      Probably tired of carrying the unique binary system, but somewhat over-weighted.
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 15: 09
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Probably tired of carrying the unique binary system, but somewhat over-weighted.

        Yes - the negroes in the "squads" of the KMP are not the same ... In the branded commercial for this machine gun, they often mentioned the promotion of some kind of "rehabilitate"! What is this new characteristic in the western machine gun I can't imagine.
  8. 0
    11 May 2021 16: 30
    A light machine gun is certainly good ... but how will it affect reliability ...
  9. 0
    11 May 2021 17: 16
    RPL-20 - weight 5,2 kg.
    1. 0
      11 May 2021 18: 26
      light here is probably more correct to understand not by weight but by class and purpose. that is, light machine gun = heavy automatic support rifle (dp27, BAR, madsen, Bren, mini)?
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 19: 01
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        So they didn't try to shoot from the parapet. Even in the AK, the store rests on the ground and does not allow you to hide when firing, especially in the PKK, and there it is even longer.

        The fact that the RPK-74 magazine rests against the ground is definitely a drawback, and if we say to turn it over with the magazine upside down, in any case, the combat rate of fire will increase since the magazine will be easier to change, by the way, many criticize the RPK-74 for the lack of a tape and quick replacement of the barrel and, most importantly, low firepower, such as it does not pull on the MG-3, of course it does not pull another task from it, due to its small dispersion diameter, it has a chance at a distance of 500m to extinguish this most powerful MG with cartridges of one horn from the AK, By the way the potential of 5.45x39 is not revealed, there is still work to be done
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          11 May 2021 19: 35
          Mechanically, the top magazine, like the Bren, has advantages. But the biggest problem with the top loader is the fuzzy image. A huge part of your view is blocked by the magazine, and the scope needs to be moved to the side
        2. 0
          11 May 2021 21: 21
          To be precise, all the problems with weapons from Kalashnikov are somewhat exaggerated. It is such an outstanding and so reliable weapon that much, if not all, can be forgiven. The RPK-16 and RPL-20 will be brought to mind and there will be a tape feed and a box or a low-profile store. From experience, everything refused in a combat vehicle, everything, but not the PKT, this machine gun is absolutely reliable and accurate, not a single failure under any circumstances.
      2. +1
        11 May 2021 23: 28
        L - tape.
  10. 0
    11 May 2021 19: 08
    In addition to discussions about the adoption of new calibers. In the West, the question of whether command light machine guns should be belt-fed (FN Minimi or IMi Negev in 5.56) or store-fed (M27 IAR or LOAW Diemaco
  11. 0
    11 May 2021 19: 23
    https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-ngsw/
  12. 0
    11 May 2021 20: 23
    Why a 5,56 x 45 mm machine gun, considering only a 12% difference in weight? Pampering is.
    1. 0
      11 May 2021 20: 47
      Quote: bk0010
      Why a 5,56 x 45 mm machine gun, considering only a 12% difference in weight? Pampering is.

      It's not pampering, it's a pleasant luxury. very nice in a short time. and if the Afghan is better than 7.62x51. the main thing is whether you can afford it. that is, a ruler if it is rich - pp, ak74, rpk74, minimi, pc, cord. if you save the current - ak74, pc, cord. and the Belgians just feel the market, they don't have to fight, they need to understand what the client needs
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 21: 27
        What kind of Afghan? 7,62 was used there only because it came with a night sight and PBS, and for 5.45 they did it much later. So don't talk about what you don't understand.
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          11 May 2021 21: 38
          I'm talking about the average distance of the battle. in the mountains it is higher than the city or the jungle. and I talked about the difference between weapons for intermediate and rifle cartridges. and more specifically, the need to have a belt-fed machine gun chambered for an intermediate cartridge was discussed above. my opinion is this: a useful luxury in some landscapes and sutuations. if you can afford, then you must have. if the conflict is in the mountains, replaced it with a pc. if in the jungle - with a mini.
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            11 May 2021 21: 50
            Once again, the terrain and buildings do not matter. At 7,62 in Afghanistan there were ready-made PBS and sight, and therefore they were used. There is no other difference, 5.45 is more convenient, the recoil is less and the accuracy is higher, the ammunition load is lighter. Spirits in bulletproof vests did not go.
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              11 May 2021 22: 01
              PBS is for akm or for rpk?. 5,45x39 this is for rpk74, but it is not correct to compare it with minimi. these are samples of different properties and purpose.
        2. 0
          12 May 2021 11: 33
          And a heavy subsonic bullet ... that better retains lethality.
    2. 0
      11 May 2021 20: 55
      Why is the RPL 20 Kalashnikov assault rifle not the same as the Minimi ??
      1. +1
        11 May 2021 20: 59
        Quote: Decimalegio
        Why is the RPL 20 Kalashnikov assault rifle not the same as the Minimi?
        Strange question: because this is RPL 20, not Minimi.
        1. +1
          11 May 2021 21: 06
          They are not the same weapon, but the function (detachment LMG) is the same as Minima or imi negev
          1. 0
            11 May 2021 21: 46
            Explain in more detail what you think is the difference between RPL 20 and minimum?
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              11 May 2021 21: 55
              RPL-20 has not yet been adopted.
            2. +1
              11 May 2021 23: 06
              I can't say anything about the mechanical differences between the Rpl20 and the MINImi. Rpl is still a prototype. But the concept is the same for both weapons. These are 2 light machine guns, designed to be fired by one infantryman, with or without an assistant, as an auxiliary weapon for an infantry squad. These are machine guns that fire cartridges of the same caliber as other shooters of the same warhead.
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                12 May 2021 00: 47
                Quote: Decimalegio
                These are machine guns that fire cartridges of the same caliber as other shooters of the same warhead.

                On the surface, yes. But in reality - no.
                Minimi, for example, uses its own factory-loaded belt. It is impossible to equip it in combat conditions by taking cartridges from comrades.
                The use of standard stores also raises questions.
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                  12 May 2021 08: 01
                  difficult, but possible. Clips can be collected and reused. Not a quick reboot. I've seen non-destructible tape reloading crank machines that are much better
                2. 0
                  12 May 2021 08: 07
                  sorry in combat situations is impossible. But I don't think the Russian machine gunner is trained to pick up 25-shot cassettes that come off during firing and then reuse them.
  13. 0
    11 May 2021 21: 03
    the main thing is that these "relief" games do not play the same joke as with the G36 at the time ..
  14. 0
    11 May 2021 21: 48
    I have a question for everyone who can answer me. Why are non-destructive belts preferred for Russian machine guns? A decaying tape like M13 (7,62) or M27 (5,56) would be no better
    1. 0
      11 May 2021 21: 57
      I will assume that the disintegrating tape is factory equipment and is disposable. suitable for rich countries or limited conflicts. non-destructive reusable tape is suitable for poor countries, or global conflicts, or if a checkpoint surrounded by it can only be supplied with ammunition in bulk. the soldiers themselves will equip the ribbons. and if disposable belts will have to be supplied separately with ammunition in bulk for rifles and machine guns and in belts for machine guns in the required proportion, which is unknown and there will be a situation when the machine gun is without power and the checkpoint is dead.
      1. 0
        11 May 2021 22: 14
        Stop being smart, it's like saving on toilet paper. It's about tradition, not economy.
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          11 May 2021 22: 25
          We do not build aircraft carriers because there is such a tradition, or do we have to count everything in the real world? so that is the opinion that stores for m16 should be disposable. do you have money for tapes and shops for ak74 disposable? Well, throw up the Ministry of Defense. counting on a total conflict, like a few billiards of cartridges))) and tradition is a maxim cloth tape, let's go back, it's beautiful)))
          1. 0
            11 May 2021 22: 33
            Do not confuse a machine-gun belt with an aircraft carrier, do not. If you want a rag ribbon, I dare not interfere, use it.
      2. 0
        11 May 2021 22: 22
        Your observation is correct if everything has its advantages or disadvantages. However, from a mechanical point of view, the non-destructible belt after running out of ammunition still remains there, hanging from the end of the machine gun ????? or falls after the last shot ???? Also, wouldn't the use of non-destructive tape often cause damage?
        Finally, the design of the tape without decay will be more complex, since each link must be mechanically linked to the previous link even without any ammunition inserted. Hope the translator translates well.
        Vashe
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          12 May 2021 02: 17
          Quote: Decimalegio
          the non-destructible strap after the ammo ran out still remains there, hanging from the end of the machine gun ?????

          So after all, the tape is not continuous for its entire length. It is in segments of 25. When shooting in pieces, it disappears.
          1. 0
            12 May 2021 07: 55
            Thanks for the answer
  15. 0
    11 May 2021 23: 20
    The translator was wrong. I meant that with a non-decaying tape, the tape hangs on the machine gun until you run out of ammo. Isn't it a problem if there is an ammo tape on one side and an empty one on the other?
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      12 May 2021 00: 06
      Quote: Decimalegio
      Mechanically, the top magazine, like the Bren, has advantages. But the biggest problem with the top loader is the fuzzy image. A huge part of your view is blocked by the magazine, and the scope needs to be moved to the side

      This big problem is solved one or two times, in front of the store there is a camera, behind the store there is a mini screen, conventional mechanical sights are slowly but surely replaced with electronic ones.
      1. 0
        12 May 2021 00: 37
        Probably much easier, the electronic viewfinder would be put aside
    2. +1
      12 May 2021 00: 57
      Quote: Decimalegio
      I meant that with a non-decaying tape, the tape hangs on the machine gun until you run out of ammo. Isn't it a problem if there is an ammo tape on one side and an empty one on the other?

      There are pieces of 25 rounds, they are connected to each other by a cartridge, like a hairpin - as soon as this cartridge is used, this 25-cartridge piece of tape will fall off.

      And yes, the curb tape, as a rule, is in the box - it does not dangle.
      If the fire is not fired from the box, then the second number gives and holds the tape. But this is now a rarity, you can only see it on the shooting range.
      1. 0
        12 May 2021 07: 53
        Thanks for the video, you can see the falling pieces.
  16. 0
    12 May 2021 07: 51
    Thank you all for your answer, I never noticed that the tape consists of 25 pieces
  17. 0
    12 May 2021 07: 58
    I wonder how plastic tolerates heat and low temperatures? Doesn't crack?
  18. 0
    12 May 2021 11: 32
    Reducing the weight can have a negative effect on the recoil of hand-held bursts, especially.
  19. 0
    12 May 2021 12: 12
    Strange weapon.
    Not a word about forced barrel cooling. As well as about the ability to quickly replace the barrel. Which most likely means the absence of these options.
    The trunks are a bit short. You won't get normal bullet velocities. But you will get a good torch.
    Light alloys and plastics are good in terms of weight, but incomprehensible in terms of mechanical strength.
    Incomprehensible option "single fire" from an open bolt. Even incomprehensible.
    IMHO NATO will not accept this craft into service. Yesterday. And primarily because of the ammunition used.
    1. 0
      12 May 2021 13: 04
      Yesterday.
      But why? This is a modern, improved version of PPSh. for some landscapes or sutuations very much in the subject.