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Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan: A detachment of special forces of the Internal Troops "SHER" took part in the operation on the border with Tajikistan

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Reports are coming from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan on how the process of de-escalation of the conflict that erupted a few days ago in the border area is proceeding.


Earlier, Voennoye Obozreniye reported that Tajik and Kyrgyz security forces used various types of weaponsincluding mortars. During the conflict, the parties seized each other's facilities, including border posts. Armored vehicles began to be transferred to the border on April 29. An agreement on a ceasefire and on the withdrawal of forces and assets from the border area was reached between officials from Dushanbe and Bishkek.

Today it became known that the parties began to exchange detainees. These people are not officially called prisoners. Tajikistan handed over 10 people to the Kyrgyz side. According to some reports, among them is the head of the border village Internationale, which, as previously reported, was taken to Tajik territory by the security forces of Tajikistan. At the same time, the Tajik side calls the abduction of the head of the village untrue.

Judging by the video by Jazgul Masalieva, the detained residents of Kyrgyzstan are not young people.



The Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan reported some details of the clashes on the border with Tajikistan. It is noted that the main firefight took place in the area of ​​the Kok-Tash village of the Batken region, where the water distribution facility is located. The conflict began with a skirmish of local residents. Kyrgyz citizens saw on one of the poles a video camera belonging to Tajik border guards. It came to throwing stones at the camera and the Tajik neighbors. Then the first shots rang out. The Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan stated that these shots were fired by citizens of Tajikistan from hunting rifles. Then the security forces of both countries began to join the shootout.

The report says that the special forces detachment of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan "SHER" was also involved in the operation. His machine-gun fire was supported by the BMD crew of the 707th military unit of the Internal Troops of the Republic. The Kyrgyz side claims that after that, the Tajik military were forced to retreat.

The Tajik side has its own version of the start of the firefight and the one who eventually retreated. They consider the Kyrgyz side to be guilty, and they call it a retreat.

However, something else is more important. Now both sides are saying that what happened on April 28-29, 2021 on the border between the countries should not be repeated. For this, a joint group has been organized to monitor the implementation of the de-escalation agreement previously reached by the parties.
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Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan
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  1. Coconut
    Coconut 1 May 2021 19: 08
    0
    This is their showdown ... Russia has a lot of its own ..
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 1 May 2021 19: 55
      +12
      Quote: Coco
      This is their showdown ... Russia has a lot of its own ..

      Here are the post-Soviet republics and "real" states.
      They were not and never will be. All their wisdom ends at the level of teip, clan, community ...
      And, enough of Russia to behave with them as with full-fledged states.
      1. den3080
        den3080 1 May 2021 22: 15
        -1
        Quote: Terenin
        Quote: Coco
        This is their showdown ... Russia has a lot of its own ..

        Here are the post-Soviet republics and "real" states.
        They were not and never will be. All their wisdom ends at the level of teip, clan, community ...
        And, enough of Russia to behave with them as with full-fledged states.

        Yes. Savages
        smile
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 2 May 2021 00: 57
          -1
          Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan: A detachment of special forces of the Internal Troops "SHER" took part in the operation on the border with Tajikistan

          I still did not understand if this is a plus or a minus laughing
      2. Logic
        Logic 3 May 2021 12: 11
        -1
        Terenin, are you a Pole ???
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 3 May 2021 16: 38
          +2
          Quote: Logika
          Terenin, are you a Pole ???

          I do not see the logic No.
    2. Clear
      Clear 1 May 2021 20: 07
      +3
      Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan: A detachment of special forces of the Internal Troops "SHER" took part in the operation on the border with Tajikistan


      The Sher special-purpose detachment was created to combat crime, illegal gangs, liquidate their bases and protect the constitutional rights of citizens. The detachment consists of professionally trained officers and warrant officers who underwent special training in Turkey, China, the United States and Russia.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 1 May 2021 21: 31
        0
        Quote: Clear
        The Sher special-purpose detachment was created to combat crime, illegal gangs, liquidate their bases and protect the constitutional rights of citizens. The detachment consists of professionally trained officers and warrant officers who underwent special training in Turkey, China, the United States and Russia.

        It doesn't change much.
        OSN is involved in fact, and the fact itself is created by provocateurs. This is where the question arises, from whose side did they act and for what purpose? winked
        1. Clear
          Clear 1 May 2021 23: 35
          +5
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Clear
          The Sher special-purpose detachment was created to combat crime, illegal gangs, liquidate their bases and protect the constitutional rights of citizens. The detachment consists of professionally trained officers and warrant officers who underwent special training in Turkey, China, the United States and Russia.

          It doesn't change much.
          OSN is involved in fact, and the fact itself is created by provocateurs. This is where the question arises, from whose side did they act and for what purpose? winked

          So I write that
          Quote: Clear
          The Sher special forces unit was created for ...

          And what it is used for, really ... request
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 1 May 2021 23: 56
            +3
            Quote: Clear
            And what it is used for, really ...

            In this case, it is clear what it was used for, it is not clear who and for what purpose provoked the conflict.
            Well, somehow it does not fit in that the installation of cameras in itself could cause the death of several dozen and the injury of several hundred people. But the use of this fact, as a pretext for a deliberate provocation - a mat, a cobblestone, a shot from a gun, and maybe the clap of a firecracker was perceived as a shot, in order to draw the border guards into a conflict, could well be aimed at destabilizing the situation in two republics that are simultaneously members of the CSTO.
            1. Logic
              Logic 3 May 2021 12: 12
              0
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Quote: Clear
              And what it is used for, really ...

              In this case, it is clear what it was used for, it is not clear who and for what purpose provoked the conflict.
              Well, somehow it does not fit in that the installation of cameras in itself could cause the death of several dozen and the injury of several hundred people. But the use of this fact, as a pretext for a deliberate provocation - a mat, a cobblestone, a shot from a gun, and maybe the clap of a firecracker was perceived as a shot, in order to draw the border guards into a conflict, could well be aimed at destabilizing the situation in two republics that are simultaneously members of the CSTO.

              Yes, the showdown seems to be ours, but the problems are common - in Karabakh, the NATO PROVOCATORS also developed the conflict and turned it into a fire confrontation, moreover, there, in Karabakh, the provocateurs managed to achieve their goals and knock the peoples head-on. NATO, represented by Turkey, actively intervened in the conflict, and maybe not only intervened.
              Here we have the same NATO Turkey actively took one side and offers assistance to one of the sides.
              How long will you have one-eyed thoughts about yourself ???
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    4. 210ox
      210ox 1 May 2021 20: 12
      +4
      Something like this. But there is a desire to slap bream and so and so. It seems that the antics of juvenile marginalized people started it all. And the older generation suffered.
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    6. Logic
      Logic 3 May 2021 12: 10
      0
      Yes, the showdown seems to be ours, but the problems are common - in Karabakh, the NATO PROVOCATORS also developed the conflict and turned it into a fire confrontation, moreover, there, in Karabakh, the provocateurs managed to achieve their goals and knock the peoples head-on. NATO, represented by Turkey, actively intervened in the conflict, and maybe not only intervened.
      Here we have the same NATO Turkey actively took one side and offers assistance to one of the sides.
      How long will you have one-eyed thoughts about yourself ???
  2. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 1 May 2021 19: 18
    0
    Found something to rejoice ...
  3. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 19: 21
    +6
    Error in the article. Not BMD 707, but BTR-70. wink
    There, it is still far from a ceasefire. Rifle is applied on both sides.
    At 18:30 on May 1: the number of Kyrgyzstanis injured - 173 people, of which 34 people died

    Of the 173 victims: 31 are military, 1 medical worker, 131 civilians, data on 10 injured are being specified.

    There is also such infa ...
    ⚡️⚡️ Turkey is ready to provide Kyrgyzstan with Bayraktar TB2 and RS30 drones

    Turkish media, citing unnamed military sources, report that Ankara is ready to provide Kyrgyzstan with any required military assistance in the fight against Tajikistan. Apparently, Ankara decided to stake on the escalation of the armed conflict, according to the Karabakh scenario.

    It is noteworthy that Ankara is obviously well aware that Russia will not be able to fully intervene in the armed conflict between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, since both states are CSTO member states.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 19: 25
      +2

      Presumably, an armored personnel carrier of the Kyrgyz Armed Forces.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 19: 59
      +2
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Kyrgyz people

      what a way to distort the Russian language ?!
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 20: 27
        +4
        Vladimir, hi
        I remembered you literally today. wink
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        what a way to distort the Russian language ?!

        This is a copy, the text was not typed. But if you pay attention, you will see that under the photo with the burnt APC, I have already written correctly. laughing
        How is your "nothing"?
        Happy Holidays, zem. drinks
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 45
          +3
          as it should be on a holiday, worked, worked on the sand
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            as it should be on a holiday, he worked,

            laughing I am at work too.
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            worked on the pesek

            Have a good winter?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 50
              +3
              wintered normally, many of them died of hunger in the spring, we still don't have spring, but the bees woke up back in February
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 20: 55
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                we still don't have spring

                Yes, I kind of know ... laughing
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and the bees woke up back in February

                Wow. So early. We, on the other hand, were very cold. belay
                Was it enough that they left or did they give bait?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 58
                  +2
                  we had 22 heat on February 16, and after the beater began above 6 it did not rise a damn thing does not bloom and does not grow, a week and a half two weeks it is easier 10-15
                  1. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 21: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    we had 22 heat on February 16,

                    I have already forgotten what, although yes, somewhere at this time, I last went to the bay. The rains were promised, but the ice was not a fountain anyway.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    not a damn thing blooms or grows

                    Cherry plum blossoms. And in the forest, some kind of "forest", yesterday I was in Kornevo. But you, they understand - they don't make the weather. And yes, even dandelions do not bloom.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 21: 08
                      +1
                      cherry plum blooms dead, maple began, and willow
                      but the bees are already buzzing and there is nothing to eat all spring with the rest of honey from last year
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 1 May 2021 20: 48
        +5
        what a way to distort the Russian language ?!
        Then, more precisely, it will be:
        There are various theories of the origin of the ethnonym “Kyrgyz”. According to one of the most widespread versions, the ethnonym “Kyrgyz” literally means “forty-tribal people” (from the Turkic “kyrk” forty and “-yz” the ancient plural suffix or “kyrk + gyz” forty Oghuz). The word "Oguz" means "tribe" and "unification of tribes".
        The ancient Türkic ethnonym “Kyrgyz” in the Arab-Persian sources was transmitted as “khyrkhyz”, “khyrhyr”, and in the Chinese - “gekun” (隔 昆, Gekun), “jiankun” (堅 昆, Jiankun), “syatszyasy” (黠 戛斯, Xiajiasi), "jilitszis" (吉利吉思, Jilijisi), ancient Turkic, Uighur and Sogdian texts - "Kyrgyz".
        The Russians in the XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries also called the Kazakhs the Kazakhs in the form of "Kirghiz-Kaisaks", "Kirghiz-Kasaks", as well as "Kirghiz" or "Kirghiz", that is, without making a division between the Kazakhs and the Kirghiz proper. The Kirghiz proper were called "Alatai-Kirgiz", "Buruts", "Wild-stone Kirghiz" and "Kara-Kirghiz"
        hi
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 21: 01
          0
          the question is not about the origin of the names
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 2 May 2021 01: 29
            +2
            the question is not about the origin of the names
            I understand that brevity is the sister of talent! But, it is possible in more detail, if you have already answered my comment, of course, if not difficult ???
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 10: 46
              0
              and in more detail, respect for the nation cannot be without respect for the language
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 2 May 2021 10: 51
                +2
                and in more detail, respect for the nation cannot be without respect for the language
                That's right, surprisingly, I immediately agree with you, and even better, when it is the most, this is mutual respect, for everyone (both there and here) !!! Goodness and peace ... and more! drinks
    3. Volodin
      Volodin 1 May 2021 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Error in the article. Not BMD 707, but BTR-70.

      This is not a mistake in the article. Just be careful when you read it. We are talking about the 707th military unit of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan, which owned the BMD. And this is the data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 20: 20
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        We are talking about the 707th military unit of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan, which owned the BMD. And this is the data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic

        Are you sure that the Interior Ministry troops are armed with BMDs? Maybe all the same BMP?
        And in the first videos from there, the BMPs were shining.
        In addition, at the end of the 90s, I was approximately "in the know" of the weapons of the Interior Ministry of the Kyrgyz Republic, and I very much doubt that it has changed a lot. hi
    4. 210ox
      210ox 1 May 2021 20: 17
      +3
      The Armed Forces of Kyrgyzstan against the Armed Forces of Tajikistan look worse. Ruined the once quite developed republic. Been there more than once on Issyk Kul ..
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 20: 40
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        The Armed Forces of Kyrgyzstan against the Armed Forces of Tajikistan look worse.

        Tajiks, through the 201st base, receive good training. Well, in some places, the factor of surprise worked. After all, there are battles not only in the area of ​​the pumping station.

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  4. Rita Aletdinova 1999
    Rita Aletdinova 1999 1 May 2021 19: 42
    +2
    It is sad, of course, and sorry for people. All because of two cretins who rule in both countries and cannot agree. Moreover, poverty, both in Kyrgyzstan and in Tajikistan, is prohibitive. Many African countries are even better off than they are.
    1. businessv
      businessv 1 May 2021 19: 53
      +1
      Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Many African countries are even better off than they are.
      It's hard to disagree! Hence the anger, apparently.
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 1 May 2021 19: 55
        +1
        People do not have it, it is the rulers who create it in their personal interests. The Kyrgyz and Tajiks do not need war.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 11
          +2
          Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
          People do not have it, it is the rulers who create it in their personal interests. The Kyrgyz and Tajiks do not need war.

          take off your pink glasses


          1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Rita Aletdinova 1999 1 May 2021 20: 16
            0
            In the photographs, not all the people, but a bunch of paid radicals!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 21
              +1
              kindergarten, judging by your nickname, you are still very young, for the sake of interest, read something about the Osh events, about Alma-Ata, 86 years old
              by the way, recently the same Kazakhs had interethnic clashes in one of the villages
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 1 May 2021 20: 55
              +5
              In the photographs, not all the people, but a bunch of paid radicals!
              only this radical, madam, holds in his right hand, then how will he work out his grandmothers later !? And first of all, on the representatives of law enforcement agencies on the opposite side of the street! Which is very, so not democratic request and legally at rallies and other public events, walking freely with a rifle and a telescopic sight, in hand ...
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 03
      +2
      Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
      ... All because of two cretins who rule in both countries and cannot agree.

      and you really think that the "ordinary" people there are angels, for the sake of interest, read about the Osh events
      there these "ordinary" people will kill a neighbor for a pasture and will not frown
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 1 May 2021 20: 18
        +2
        This is how it is throughout the post-Soviet conflict. What have people to do with it? Russians and Ukrainians are also happy to slaughter each other. The nation has nothing to do with it. There are good people and bad people everywhere. Most of the troubles from our inadequate rulers occur throughout the post-Soviet space.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 22
          +1
          Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Most of the troubles from our inadequate rulers occur throughout the post-Soviet space.

          holy naivety, unlike you young lady, I saw something like that from the inside
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 1 May 2021 20: 32
            0
            Well, colleagues, do not kill faith in people, in humanity in a young creature. Such, after all, now, during the day with fire, as they say. smile
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 49
              -2
              the main thing is that she doesn't have to meet PERSONALLY with these "ordinary" people
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 1 May 2021 21: 48
                +3
                In our time, everyone can meet with this. In some ways she is right: the fish rots from the head. And the Kirghiz are Turkic-speaking, here is the realization of the "Turkic world", or "Turan". The CIS is in the center of many projects, we are in the ring, colleagues.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 07
                  0
                  Quote: newbie
                  In some ways she is right: the fish rots from the head.

                  in that region, such conflicts are not uncommon and do not always arise with the knowledge of the top, a Tajik or Uighur neighbor did not give up his place in the parking lot to a Kyrgyz or Kazakh, first they swore at each other, as usual in Russian, after the Mordovians they stuffed them, then friends pulled up, well, after one half of the village went to cut the second
                  if we take into account the very long-standing "love" of one people for another, it quickly turns into a massacre on a national basis
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 1 May 2021 22: 21
                    -1
                    Yes, that's understandable. There is nothing to argue about. But I'm talking about the global games of our sworn enemies.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 22
                      -2
                      Quote: newbie
                      But I'm talking about the global games of our sworn enemies.

                      most likely the specific situation does not have global leaders and everything arose spontaneously, another question is what can they use
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 1 May 2021 22: 41
                        +2
                        I don't believe in spontaneity and chance. All conflicts near the house, yard on an ethno-religious basis are extinguished by the authorities, if they exist and are confident in their strength. Here we have a loosening from the bottom with the consent of the authorities; or the government-controlled kipish_ do not forget that this is a conflict on the border with the water of the two republics. And who is our beneficiary from the enmity of these republics_ Sultan, who collects Turan, adjusting his paws on everything Turkic-speaking. And now look at the map, you will see that we do not have a hot phase only on the north side, but even there, the vrazhbins will come up with something.
                        I summarize:
                        The entire post-Soviet space is divided between the Anglo-Saxons and Turks. Eurolytic Tabbak will get a few crumbs, and even that is not a fact.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 10: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: newbie
                        I don't believe in spontaneity and chance.

                        in vain
                        Quote: newbie
                        Here we have a loosening from the bottom with the consent of the authorities

                        here we have a very old "love" like a witness when one Kazakh called the Uyghur a brother, that Kazakh almost killed him on the spot, there is often such a thing
        2. businessv
          businessv 1 May 2021 22: 10
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          holy naivety, unlike you young lady, I saw something like that from the inside
          What exactly did you see from the inside? That the organizers of the riots charged the perpetrators with money? Or did they follow the organizers' commands? Or organized riots? Express your thoughts more clearly! Everyone knows that such events cannot take place without organizers and money. The money, as a rule, is American, the leaders too, but the organizers and performers are local.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 20
            -2
            Quote: businessv
            Everyone knows that such events cannot take place without organizers and money.

            really ?!
            yes, in 86 there were organizers in Alma-Ata, but there were also those who gladly yelled Russians won and Kazakhstan (for free), but for example, last year in Kazakhstan, when there was a conflict between the Dungans and Kazakhs, the organizers as such were not all based on long-boiled love, just a spark was enough
            and no matter what it was, the leg in the queue crushed the road did not give way or the conflict at the well
            by the way, performers are not always charged with money, it is possible to raise such a storm in words
            1. businessv
              businessv 1 May 2021 22: 57
              +3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              yes, at 86 in Alma-Ata there were organizers, but there were those who gladly yelled Russians won and Kazakhstan (for free)
              Well, my friend, you remembered! I am Alma-Ata, I lived there at that time. Because of what the fuss broke out, you know? What kind of money can we talk about? Regarding the Dungan, too, not in an arc! Local conflicts and color revolutions have different goals (roots) and therefore are carried out by different methods (reasons). Keep this in mind when writing a post.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 10: 48
                -3
                Quote: businessv
                Because of what the fuss broke out, you know?

                weird question
                I was born in Alma-Ata and lived there for 40 years
                Quote: businessv
                Regarding the Dungan, too, not in an arc! Local conflicts and color revolutions have different goals (roots) and therefore are carried out by different methods (reasons). Keep this in mind when writing a post.

                excuse me, but what does the revolution have to do with it ?!
                today's conflict on the border is a frank get-together because of a long-standing love
                1. businessv
                  businessv 2 May 2021 11: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I was born in Alma-Ata and lived there for 40 years
                  Likewise! Healthy again! I wrote about local conflicts and about flower beds. And I asked you questions:
                  What exactly did you see from the inside? That the organizers of the riots charged the perpetrators with money? Or did they follow the organizers' commands? Or organized riots? Express your thoughts more clearly!
                  in view of what you wrote:
                  holy naivety, unlike you young lady, I saw something like that from the inside
                  ... From this place you can start walking in a circle again, so I’ll ask an off-topic question - didn’t you work in the non-departmental security? There are many coincidences in fact. smile
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 11: 29
                    -2
                    Quote: businessv
                    holy naivety, unlike you young lady, I saw something like that from the inside

                    the problem is that you pulled this phrase out. in response to what was it written?
                    Quote: businessv
                    There are many coincidences in fact.

                    on the facts of what?
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 2 May 2021 11: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      on the facts of what?

                      I will answer in a personal, otherwise they can be banned.
                    2. businessv
                      businessv 2 May 2021 11: 38
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      the problem is that you pulled this phrase out.
                      In this you are right, I read the correspondence after I wrote the post, for which I am sorry!
      2. businessv
        businessv 1 May 2021 22: 05
        +2
        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Most of the troubles from our inadequate rulers occur throughout the post-Soviet space.

        For what and destroyed the state! Everyone fills his own pockets, and to explain poverty, they use a common target - Russia.
    3. SSR
      SSR 2 May 2021 21: 31
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      for the sake of interest, read about the Osh events

      For the sake of "interest", read to the end and the very beginning.
      It began in Uzbekistan with attacks on the Russians and the expulsion of the Meskhetian Turks from Uzbekistan, and then the "winged" decided to squeeze out Jalal-Abad, Kara-Suu and Osh. Look at the documentary footage, the USSR was silent about the attacks on the Russians, but it was no longer able to talk about the Meskhetians.
      Fergana massacre. Why was there a tragedy that shook ...
      ria.ru ›20190603 / 1555121171.html
      Why did the always peaceful Uzbeks show aggression? ... The Uzbeks blamed the Meskhetians. Those are against Uzbeks. Read more

      Then talk about Osh.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 22: 02
        -3
        how zadolbalo
        read the discussion topic carefully
        1. SSR
          SSR 3 May 2021 02: 41
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          how zadolbalo

          Mutually.
          Quote: SSR
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          for the sake of interest, read about the Osh events

          Learn to answer for your words, then write about the fact that you spread along the tree of thoughts.
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          read the discussion topic carefully

          From your side, there is no discussion, there are only your subjective instructions and "recommendations" to which you were quite politely and correctly pointed out with a link to RIA Novosti. ...
          Look at the documentary footage, the USSR was silent about the attacks on the Russians, but it was no longer able to talk about the Meskhetians.
          Fergana massacre. Why was there a tragedy that shook ...
          ria.ru ›20190603 / 1555121171.html
          Why did the always peaceful Uzbeks show aggression? ... The Uzbeks blamed the Meskhetians. Those are against Uzbeks. Read more

          Imha.
          If you try to read about Osh and bloodthirsty shepherds, then if you please, study the events that took place before, otherwise you look like a hate monger, one-sided and biased.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 May 2021 11: 38
            -2
            Of course the "shepherds" were peaceful
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 May 2021 11: 46
            -1
            Quote: SSR
            Learn to answer for your words, then write about the fact that you spread along the tree of thoughts.

            I am responsible for my words, unlike you
            and now let’s put it in your own words, what I’m wrong about
  5. Intruder
    Intruder 1 May 2021 20: 51
    +1
    It is sad, of course, and sorry for people. All because of two cretins who rule in both countries and cannot agree.
    At all times, conflicts of various tensions and consequences were unleashed, because of only "two cretins"! wink
  • businessv
    businessv 1 May 2021 19: 51
    +3
    The Tajik side has its own version of the start of the firefight and the one who eventually retreated. They consider the Kyrgyz side to be guilty, and they call it a retreat.
    Damn, but what about the camera, because of which the fuss broke out ?! Seeing everything, appointing the culprit and exhausting the conflict is not possible? Morning has begun in the village! Only this was not enough for us - the claw between the allies.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 20: 11
      +3
      Quote: businessv
      Damn, but what about the camera, because of which the fuss broke out ?!

      They broke them with stones. And that's not the point ... As comrade Humpty (Alexander) already wrote the other day, not everything is so simple. A week or so, before the start of the hot phase, a representative of the US Embassy, ​​accompanied by representatives of NGOs, checked in from the village where the Kyrgyz civilians were from. Allegedly, humanitarian aid was brought. After that, the locals booted at home, with anti-Russian slogans. And a week later, they went to break the cameras.
      In short, the oil was poured 100%.
      And knowing how much life (income, etc.) costs in those parts, I can say that it cost them very cheaply. And it is not a fact that the locals will obey the big bosses from Bishkek and stop raging.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 1 May 2021 21: 08
        +4
        What amazes me is the commentators who have nothing to do with Kyrgyzstan, who absolutely do not understand and do not know what is happening there, including various cornflowers.))
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 21: 29
          +2
          Danil hi
          Happy Holidays! drinks
          Quote: Tank Hard
          What amazes me is the commentators who have nothing to do with Kyrgyzstan, who absolutely do not understand and do not know what is happening there.

          Anyone who wants to figure it out will figure it out. As they say, google to help. Better yet, Telegram. wink
          Danil, you'd better tell me, were there BMDs in the republic? Choi, it seems to me that it was not ... Otherwise, they prove to me that they are in service with the explosives. belay
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 1 May 2021 21: 41
            +2
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Anyone who wants to figure it out will figure it out. As they say, google to help. Better yet, Telegram.
            Danil, you'd better tell me, were there BMDs in the republic? Choi, it seems to me that it was not ... Otherwise, they prove to me that they are in service with the explosives.

            Happy Holidays! Initially, there was even aviation in the Republic, but then "suddenly everything disappeared.")) Many reproached Kulov for this, but I did not hold a candle ... I have been absent from the Republic since 2005 for certain reasons, I will hardly say about the BTR-BMP-BMD )). Here you will break your head with only one special forces.)) I remember only about these: OMON of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Kirgh SSR, OMON Kyrgyzstan, "Berkut" Kyrgyzstan, "Kyrgy" GSKN Kyrgyzstan. This is about the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Kyrgyz Republic. Neither Shumkar nor Cher did not find himself during his time, including the Batken events, well, there were no such names then)). My friends served there and then, were, participated, have maroon berets and merit. I do not write about other special forces (the Ministry of Defense of Kyrgyzstan, for example, the SNB), although I know that they also participated there.))
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 22: 07
              +2
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Neither Shumkar, nor Cher did not find himself during his time, including the Batken events, well, there were no such names then)).

              Well, the "Scorpions" were. wink Now, 25 BrSpN. And Shumkar is a former separate regiment of the Interior Ministry's Internal Troops. Cher Rookies, 14th Formation. Incidentally, according to my information in the area of ​​the pumping station, the Border Troops SpecialNaz "Boru" worked. In any case, it was they who took the Tajik outpost of Khoja A'llo.
              Oh, and for especially advanced ones ... There is no BMD in service with Kyrgyzstan. No where. request
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 13
                +2
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Well, the "Scorpions" were.

                The Scrpions are the special forces of the Ministry of Defense of Kyrgyzstan, they crossed paths with them at the karate competitions in 1996. But the best in the Batken events was the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Kyrgyz Republic (OMON, in fact). IMHO.
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Spetsnaz "Boru" of the border troops. In any case, it was they who took the Tajik outpost of Khoja A'llo

                There were no such people in my time in Kyrgyzstan either, in any case, I don’t remember.
              2. Humpty
                Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 15
                0
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                There is no BMD in service with Kyrgyzstan. No where.

                There are definitely combat vehicles at its base.
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 22: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Humpty
                  There are definitely combat vehicles at its base.

                  All I found was Nona. And those, it is not clear how you ended up. what
                  1. Humpty
                    Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 24
                    0
                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    All I found was Nony

                    They are the most.
                    1. LiSiCyn
                      LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 22: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Humpty

                      They are the most.

                      Well, returning to the article, I am tormented by doubts that Nona was covering SpetsNaz with machine-gun fire, which was holding the pumping station.
                      1. Humpty
                        Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: LiSiCyn
                        that Nona was covering SpetsNaz with machine-gun fire, which was holding the pumping station.

                        I don’t think so either. And the ride is not close to her.
              3. Scoun
                Scoun 3 May 2021 02: 27
                0
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Well, "Scorpions" were

                "Fought" with the guys, not bad shots were selected.
      2. businessv
        businessv 1 May 2021 22: 01
        0
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        in the village where the Kyrgyz civilians were from, a representative of the US Embassy, ​​accompanied by representatives of NGOs, noted.
        Well, if these are in practice, then no further reasoning is needed! Since the mattresses were denied at the base, there is always a booze.
      3. Humpty
        Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 05
        +3
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And it is not a fact that the locals will obey the big bosses from Bishkek and stop raging.

        hi Good evening. Either I did not express myself accurately enough, or you did not quite understand exactly. No problem. I'll try to be more precise. Even under Shariman ((the former president, as it were), Putin jinxed him, calling him Shariman, there were rallies against the mining of uranium and thorium, rallies were held in different places, it was just against Russian interests. , number of 5. 12-15 days ago in Katran, a village in the same area, a rally was held against a Russian company that has an interest in developing a local gold deposit. Local American jackals shit on Chinese business using the same methods. that the mongrels of the Americans and the Americans themselves have repeatedly appeared in rallies, pogroms and arson of Russian and Chinese organizations, I draw a logical conclusion.
        Nevertheless, given the real relations between these two peoples and the quality of the border guards, they can grapple without American help. It is FAVORABLE for them.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 1 May 2021 22: 16
          +2
          Alexander, Happy Holidays! hi
          Quote: Humpty
          Either I did not express myself accurately enough, or you did not quite understand exactly.

          Well, the essence is the same ... I'm just trying to convey it in a more understandable language. Not everyone is aware of local realities. wink
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 1 May 2021 19: 58
    +1
    Yes, we have allies.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 20: 54
      0
      in fact, we had only one ally - the GDR and that was sold
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 1 May 2021 21: 18
        -2
        Vasilenko, so where is the evidence of the purchase by the Kyrgyz of the IMU militants? Huh?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 21: 48
          -1
          and where is the evidence of the opposite and your PERSONAL meeting with the head
          I understand that your Russian is not native and there are big problems with reading comprehension
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 1 May 2021 21: 53
            -3
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            and where is the evidence of the opposite and your PERSONAL meeting with the head
            I understand that your Russian is not native and there are big problems with reading comprehension

            you don't understand Vasilenko correctly.)) I already wrote in another thread that I personally know the Bakiev family, I will repeat myself for the gifted, personally.)) And you are free to believe it or not.)) But the main thing in our dialogue is that you blamed the Kyrgyz, and therefore the leadership of Kyrgyzstan in buying the IMU militants, without providing any evidence. This is a bad tone, you know. After that, you have no faith at all. repeat
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: Tank Hard
              I already wrote in another thread that I personally know the Bakiyev family, I will repeat myself for the gifted, personally.))

              that is, your statement does not require proof, but my statements do?
              besides, where did you get the idea that you were told something truthful? !!!!
              Quote: Tank Hard
              It's bad form, you know. After that, you have no faith at all.

              yes, I like it on YOUR faith ...
              Well I am silent about the nonsense on the theme of the great wars of the Kirghiz
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 03
                -1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                that is, your statement does not require proof, but my statements do?
                besides, where did you get the idea that you were told something truthful? !!!!

                that is, evidence of your claims. that the Kirghiz bribed the IMU militants you don't have ?!
                So you are Mr. Sovramshi.))
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                yes, I like it on YOUR faith ...
                Well I am silent about the nonsense on the theme of the great wars of the Kirghiz

                yes, whatever your opinion)))
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 09
                  -2
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  So you are Mr. Sovramshi.))

                  I can say the same about your PERSONAL communication with the leadership of the republic
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  yes, whatever your opinion)))

                  hi then try not to interfere
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 14
                    -1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    then try not to interfere

                    I want and interfere.))
            2. Humpty
              Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 17
              +2
              Quote: Tank Hard
              I personally know

              Still, what a small collective farm we have. Patlatogo, who is now bald I remember. hi
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 20
                +3
                Quote: Humpty
                Still, what a small collective farm we have. Patlatogo who is now bald I remember

                Duc, the republic is small, and Frunze was not at all big.)) I know a lot of people personally, many of me.)) hi Such a district in the city - "Boston", the guys and I came up with.))
                1. Humpty
                  Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  "Boston"

                  "Texas". Flint.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Humpty
                    Texas. Flint.

                    No, they were not at enmity ... More with the East.))
                    1. Humpty
                      Humpty 1 May 2021 22: 39
                      +2
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      were not at enmity

                      Our yard was generally relatively calm. Athletes and drug addicts are mostly extinct.
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: Humpty
                        Our yard was generally relatively calm. Athletes and drug addicts are mostly extinct.

                        We had both those and others, and there were those who were "striving" for the idea of ​​a thief. I belonged to the athletes. The affairs of bygone days ... hi
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 1 May 2021 20: 57
      0
      Yes, we have allies.
      You can't think of anything worse and you don't need enemies, even ... winked
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 May 2021 20: 51
    0
    Who's in the subject? What are they sharing there? I was there and there, but I didn't understand something
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 May 2021 21: 24
      +3
      Water and earth. The legacy of the division of the Union borders under the USSR.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 03
        0
        and before the USSR they were part of what and within what boundaries ?!
        maybe the problem is not in the Union, but in the absence of historical statehood
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 17
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          and before the USSR they were part of what and within what boundaries ?!
          maybe the problem is not in the Union, but in the absence of historical statehood

          Vasilenko, Duc the borders of the national union republics under the USSR were like cut? In the Republic of Ingushetia were like a province? You didn't know that ?!))
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2021 22: 27
            +1
            try again to carefully read what I wrote
            the problem is that 91 nations, NEVER IN HISTORY, who had no statehood of their own, rushed to create it
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 31
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              try again to carefully read what I wrote
              the problem is that 91 nations, NEVER IN HISTORY, who had no statehood of their own, rushed to create it

              Duc with this I do not argue.)) There is a gap in another, in your accusations of the Kirghiz that they bought off the IMU militants. Let me remind you that the accusations are unsubstantiated. And there is only one argument from you, that Russian is not my native language.))) Until I burst into tears!))
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 10: 50
                -2
                Quote: Tank Hard
                And there is only one argument from you, that Russian is not my native language.))) Until I burst into tears!))

                you do not accept my argument, but for some reason you are sure that I should take your
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 1 May 2021 22: 34
            0
            There was Turkestan ... the whole of Wed Asia ... ... as well as the Transcaucasian region ... all the Transcaucasia
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 37
              -1
              He was, but swam, and the national republics and their borders were already drawn during the USSR. Borders and republics were drawn, but they could not or did not want to "retouch" the problems.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 10: 54
                -1
                Quote: Tank Hard
                but they could not or did not want to "retouch" the problems.

                the problem is not that, in a single state with a strong central government, all this was extinguished
                it just does not happen that a state would be created out of the blue by a wave of a magic wand peacefully and out of love, any state is created by blood
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2021 10: 52
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              There was Turkestan ... the whole Wed Asia

              far from it
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 1 May 2021 22: 00
      +1
      Yes, they do not divide anything, just the conflict over the well grew into the use of artillery and armored vehicles.

      I'm even afraid to imagine what will happen between them when real problems with resources or something else begin in the world.

      How can you hope for such allies who, because of the water, are ready to shoot at each other from tanks, instead of trying to resolve this issue by negotiations first ?!
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 09
        +3
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Yes, they do not divide anything, just the conflict over the well grew into the use of artillery and armored vehicles.

        the fact is that for them it is not just a well, and in fact it is not a well, but rather significant reserves of water. There are real problems with water, it is a question of the survival of some territories, plus long-standing and unresolved conflicts that have been dragging on since even before their entry into the Russian Empire.
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        I'm even afraid to assume what will happen between them when real problems with resources or something else begin in the world.

        Yes, there will be tin. IMHO.
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        How can you hope for such allies who, because of the water, are ready to shoot at each other from tanks, instead of trying to resolve this issue through negotiations first?

        Any ally is better than an enemy. This is even more important in the withdrawal of the NATO contingent from Afghanistan. IMHO.
  • molyr
    molyr 1 May 2021 22: 00
    0
    Quote: Coco
    This is their showdown ... Russia has a lot of its own ..

    which ones?
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 1 May 2021 22: 02
    0
    Here are sick people ... Because of bullshit, some instinct did not kill each other
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 May 2021 22: 15
      +5
      Quote: Peaceful SEO
      Here are sick people ... Because of bullshit, some instinct did not kill each other

      In the Russian Federation, some because of Navalny are ready to do the same.)) And this is not water, not once,))
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 2 May 2021 03: 57
    0
    - "These shots were made by the citizens of Tajikistan from hunting rifles. Then the security forces of both countries began to join the shootout." - It looks like schizophrenia or "love" for each other.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 2 May 2021 08: 34
    0
    Showdown at the level: the "tribe" of the Kirghiz did not share the water with the "tribe" of the Tajiks. On the other hand, is this conflict heated up from outside? No matter how the Syrian scenario repeats itself.
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  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 May 2021 14: 06
    +1
    Reconnaissance in force .. Our "closest friends", from behind the Atlantic puddle, are groping for points where it would be possible to shit more painfully and in a larger volume ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 May 2021 18: 26
    0
    Guys, you plow up the Chuy valley and sow at least oats. winked Otherwise, everything will not end well. laughing
  • Logic
    Logic 3 May 2021 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Coco
    This is their showdown ... Russia has a lot of its own ..

    Yes, the showdown seems to be ours, but the problems are common - in Karabakh, the NATO PROVOCATORS also developed the conflict and turned it into a fire confrontation, moreover, there, in Karabakh, the provocateurs managed to achieve their goals and knock the peoples head-on. NATO, represented by Turkey, actively intervened in the conflict, and maybe not only intervened.
    Here we have the same NATO Turkey actively took one side and offers assistance to one of the sides.
    How long will you have one-eyed thoughts about yourself ???
  • Logic
    Logic 3 May 2021 12: 13
    0
    Quote: Ash Poseidon
    Showdown at the level: the "tribe" of the Kirghiz did not share the water with the "tribe" of the Tajiks. On the other hand, is this conflict heated up from outside? No matter how the Syrian scenario repeats itself.

    Yes, the showdown seems to be ours, but the problems are common - in Karabakh, the NATO PROVOCATORS also developed the conflict and turned it into a fire confrontation, moreover, there, in Karabakh, the provocateurs managed to achieve their goals and knock the peoples head-on. NATO, represented by Turkey, actively intervened in the conflict, and maybe not only intervened.
    Here we have the same NATO Turkey actively took one side and offers assistance to one of the sides.
    How long will you have one-eyed thoughts about yourself ???
  • Logic
    Logic 3 May 2021 12: 14
    0
    Quote: Intruder
    Yes, we have allies.
    You can't think of anything worse and you don't need enemies, even ... winked

    Who are you talking about, your beloved ones? Yes, the showdown seems to be ours, but the problems are common - in Karabakh, the NATO PROVOCATORS also developed the conflict and turned it into a fire confrontation, moreover, there, in Karabakh, the provocateurs managed to achieve their goals and knock the peoples head-on. NATO, represented by Turkey, actively intervened in the conflict, and maybe not only intervened.
    Here we have the same NATO Turkey actively took one side and offers assistance to one of the sides.
    How long will you have one-eyed thoughts about yourself ???
  • Logic
    Logic 3 May 2021 12: 19
    0
    Yes, the showdown seems to be ours, but the problems are common - in Karabakh, the NATO PROVOCATORS also developed the conflict and turned it into a fire confrontation, moreover, there, in Karabakh, the provocateurs managed to achieve their goals and knock the peoples head-on. NATO, represented by Turkey, actively intervened in the conflict, and maybe not only intervened.
    Here we have the same NATO Turkey actively took one side and offers assistance to one of the sides.
    How long will you have one-eyed thoughts about yourself ???