Ukraine will supply engines for Turkish ATAK-II attack helicopters

A contract has been signed according to which Ukraine will supply engines for Turkish ATAK-II attack helicopters. The choice fell on the Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it, such as sanctions and embargoes.

According to the Ukrainian Military Portal, this was stated by the General Director of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) Temel Kotil, calling Ukraine a “brotherly country”.

The choice in favor of Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers is explained by Turkey's lack of an alternative, because cooperation with Western companies may end at any time due to the next geopolitical challenges.

This has already happened with the power plant for the Turkish tank Altay, and therefore the official Ankara wants to protect itself from this in the future.

The plans to equip ATAK-II helicopters with Ukrainian engines were first announced by the Turkish press in March 2021.

The mass of this helicopter is 11 tons. Two gas turbine engines allow it to operate in high temperatures as well as high altitudes. The armament of the attack ATAK-II consists of aviation cannons, air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, as well as 70 mm unguided rockets.

Comments

[svp67]

Well, the "requisitioned" Motor Sich has come in handy ...

[Cananecat]

Political outcasts have found each other))

[mitroha]

quote] after all, cooperation with Western companies may end at any time due to the next geopolitical challenges. [/ quote]
And cooperation with Ukraine may be terminated due to non-fulfillment of the contract and theft of funds.

[Alex777]

after all, cooperation with Western companies may end at any time due to the next geopolitical challenges.

And cooperation with Ukraine may be terminated due to non-fulfillment of the contract and theft of funds.

And how did the Chinese close their cooperation?
Is it not because of geopolitical challenges?

[mitroha]

No, solely because of Ukraine's inability to make its own decisions.
An example of SP-2, for the United States it is a geopolitical challenge (and economic), but with a consistent policy of the Russian Federation and Germany (although it is not much less dependent than 404), the project continues, albeit with delays. Therefore, the country's ability to defend its interests plays here, which in the case of Ukraine we did not see

[Alex777]

The states told Ukraine - China is not needed, and everything was covered.
The states will tell Ukraine - Turkey is not needed. What will happen?
SP-2 is a completely different topic. And the countries there are different.

[mitroha]

Quote: Alex777

The states told Ukraine - China is not needed, and everything was covered.
The states will tell Ukraine - Turkey is not needed. What will happen?
SP-2 is a completely different topic. And the countries there are different.

And what am I writing to you about:

No, solely because of Ukraine's inability to make its own decisions.

[Rasul Aliyev]

Is Russia better?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Well, the "requisitioned" Motor Sich has come in handy ...

Very mutually beneficial.

[Grandfather]

for a long time, apparently tourists will not go to Turkey.

[210ox]

Maybe even tomatoes will be transported through China ...

[Anar]

Look at the reports on bilateral trade between Russia and Turkey ... Look who is selling to whom more provisions ... As they say, to see a straw in someone else's eye, not to notice a log in yours ...
Here is the trading data for 2019.
https://russian-trade.com/reports-and-reviews/2020-02/torgovlya-mezhdu-rossiey-i-turtsiey-v-2019-g/

[loki565]

Turkey was closed, Egypt was opened, there is not much difference where to go)))

[Overlock]

Quote: Dead Day

for a long time, apparently tourists will not go to Turkey.

Already going through .... Belarus

[NEOZ]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Very mutually beneficial.

mutually beneficial to whom? Chinese?

[Incvizitor]

Better for the Chinese than for these terrorists.

[Killemall]

mutually beneficial? it is still the Turks do not know how dill are able to fulfill contracts ... you had to think of a contract with these freaks to conclude? apparently the accident rate in the Turkish Air Force is rather low. need to raise

[mitroha]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: svp67

Well, the "requisitioned" Motor Sich has come in handy ...

Very mutually beneficial.

Uh-hi, hello to the Chinese
The USA pressed on, the Chinese got in, and the Turks got the benefit (but this is not certain))
In the event that the Chinese still put pressure on with the return of the debt, only the Turks will remain in the advantage (but this is not certain, because the other side is Ukraine)

[max702]

The Turks have gone mad .. Their life does not teach them anything .. How is the contract with Oplotami, and the BTR-4 "Crack"? And the production of Anov for different customers? And what about numerous aircraft repairs in Ukraine? With the subsequent scandals .. Ndaa .. Or it's just puffing up the cheeks and puffing up not brothers with the 404th naked peremogu ...

[loki565]

Rather, they will receive the technology for the production of engines, no one is counting on Ukraine as a long-term, reliable supplier.

[mitroha]

Not brothers will take an advance from the Turks and sell Motor Sich back to China

[loki565]

Well, the "requisitioned" "Motor Sich" has come in handy

...
It is interesting to see the reaction of the Chinese, they have invested so much there, and the profit floats to Turkey)))

[Sandro1977]

I hope the Turks came to an agreement without prepayment? Otherwise, they will be thrown like China ...

[TermNachTer]

Nonsense of a gray horse))) no one will allow Kuev to sell engines to the Turks, not for that the plant was taken away from the Chinese.

[Barberry25]

but for a long time? how will the Turks decide to put a spoke in the wheels in the United States ... so immediately and the sanctions will be introduced

[xorek]

Quote: svp67

Well, the "requisitioned" Motor Sich has come in handy ...

But the Chinese will not just leave it all ... And Russia too!

[Popandos]

The choice fell on the Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it

Here the Turks got excited, one call from Washington, and their "brothers" will throw them as Chinese.

[svp67]

Quote: Popandos

Here the Turks got excited, one call from Washington, and their "brothers" will throw them as Chinese.

Quiet ... quietly ... do not bother them to rejoice ... Everything else will come later ... but it will be abbreviated

[spech]

Here the Turks got excited, one call from Washington, and their "brothers" will throw them as Chinese.

That's what the calculation is, they will take the grandmother and say "the elder does not order.

[Uncle lee]

calling Ukraine a "brotherly country".

"Do not believe the woman, do not believe the Turk, do not believe the drinker."

[mitroha]

Quote: Popandos

The choice fell on the Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it

Here the Turks got excited, one call from Washington, and their "brothers" will throw them as Chinese.

Based on your nickname, in such matters you are Doca ... So it will be so

[TermNachTer]

Kamrad is right not even 100%, but 1000. And not even from Washington, but from the building on the street. Tank in Kueva.

[Popandos]

And don't say where ours just didn't get

[rotmistr60]

And the claim of the Chinese for 3,6 billion will be repaid together with the Turks? Or friendship is friendship, and money apart?

Temel Kotil, calling Ukraine a "brotherly country"

The Azerbaijanis shuddered.

[mitroha]

Quote: rotmistr60

Temel Kotil, calling Ukraine a "brotherly country"
The Azerbaijanis shuddered.

Thank you, to tears

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: rotmistr60

And the claim of the Chinese for 3,6 billion will be repaid together with the Turks? Or friendship is friendship, and money apart?

who dined the girl and danced. I think the Americans are paying the Chinese bills for Motorsich.
the Ukrainians themselves did not decide to leave the Chinese.
Israel went through this with China. agreed to sell reconnaissance aircraft but the American vetoed. forfeits were also paid by America if memory serves.

[Nikolay R-PM]

11 tons takeoff weight. talking about TV3-117SBM1V? or some other engine of the tv3-117 family?

[Zaurbek]

2500hp probably the first

[Brturin]

Quote: Nikolay R-PM

or some other engine of the tv3-117 family

As if with South Korea in 2015 it did not repeat itself with TV3-117VMA on KA-32A then it was admitted that 10 engines had a factory defect ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

South Korea does not conduct hostilities, they are offended when equipment just breaks down, and Turkey will lose helicopters even before the engines run out, including due to engine breakdowns. There are two big differences here.

[Kurare]

Quote: Nikolay R-PM

11 tons takeoff weight.

TAI T-219 (ATAK) takeoff weight 5 tons... Those. The Turks set out to create an ATAK-II helicopter with a combat weight almost twice the existing one, and not even their own, but under a license.

I am tormented by vague doubts that they will be able to master such a project within, say, the next 5-10 years. And by that time, who knows what will remain of Motor Sich.

[Mouse]

And such risks as delaying deadlines or simply not delivering at all ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Mouse

And such risks as delaying deadlines or simply not delivering at all ...

calculated ... if anything, they will buy from the Russians ...

[zwlad]

I wonder when the striped ones will say "sit" to Ukraine on the issue of engine supplies?
Before the construction of a prototype helicopter, or will they be able to wait until Ankara is fully spent?

[Zaurbek]

I'm wondering whose gearbox ... from T129 will no longer work

[mojohed2012]

That is why Turkey was closed to us. A clearly anti-Russian vector of policy continues there.

[private person]

That is why Turkey was closed to us.

Are you so upset? Yes, for the Turks, Russians have always been, first of all, "Natashki" and easy money.

[mojohed2012]

On the contrary. I have never been upset. It's just that the closure of Turkey was carried out not only because of the pandemic. And it is right. Now it is the turn for deliveries of tomatoes and other products of the "sultanate".

[private person]

Now it is the turn for deliveries of tomatoes and other products of the "sultanate".

So it is of course true and what in return? You can live without tomatoes, but after all, not only are they exported from Turkey, but taking into account the sanctions, it will not be possible to find a replacement quickly. The government is that, but to the common people, given the fact that prices, and so on everything, slowly but growing up, not very gut.

[Operator]

Ukraine, which did not recognize the Armenian genocide, will supply engines to Turkey, which did not recognize the Armenian genocide, under the protection of the Armenian Avakov

[Alexander 3]

It is for sure that the Turks will say a couple of gentle words to Avakov and he will do everything, remembering the past. Whatever they punish him .. Or he may remember, well, as always, he will deceive.

[210ox]

He is already wearing a kippa .. There are enough such "Armenians in Jerusalem."

[APASUS]

A contract has been signed according to which Ukraine will supply engines for Turkish ATAK-II attack helicopters. The choice fell on the Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it, such as sanctions and embargoes.

I wonder what the Turks will choose - problems with China due to Motor Sich or trade in engines with Ukraine?

[Incvizitor]

Here is the miracle of Turkish production, "they mastered it themselves", in fact they buy from the Papuans.

[aslanismaili611]

Papuans can be found among the Slavs by inquisitorial methods.

[Incvizitor]

In the Union, they tried to do something decent from them, but after that they returned to the wild field and it is possible to buy engines for new helicopters from this wild field only from complete absence.

[jetfors_84]

Do they think the western regional committee will not force the Ukraine to refuse the Turks in engines? In my opinion they are deeply mistaken

[Roma 1977]

"If a Turk called you a friend, it means he wants to deceive, if he called you a brother, then he has already deceived you" (c)

[max702]

Quote: Roma-1977

"If a Turk called you a friend, it means he wants to deceive, if he called you a brother, then he has already deceived you" (c)

Is it like about the Armenians?

[Murmur 55]

That is, there will be no problems with sanctions and embargoes ??? The United States will shut off these supplies if they want to, if they want to, they are now trying to put Turkey in a "stall" so that the rest of NATO does not kick up, the recognition of the Armenian genocide is from the same opera. So everything depends on Washington, and Ukraine is only an executor, Motor Sich and China are a vivid example of how the interests of Washington and Kiev "coincide".

[Termit1309]

It's good that a time machine doesn't exist. Otherwise, the ancestors of the Ukrainians would have impaled their descendants at best.

[Elturisto]

And the great raw material power drives the Turks gas and grain, and in return they support the nationalists in the Caucasus in the Russian Federation. Molodets Boguslaev, by the way, he is from Uralsk Kaz.SSR. Molodtsy Ukrainians.

[Semyonich from the Urals]

Right now, they will cram you ...

[Elturisto]

It seems to you already ...

[rocket757]

Ukraine will supply engines for Turkish ATAK-II attack helicopters

the sultan will try to squeeze the maximum out of the situation. It was all predictable.

[krops777]

The choice fell on the Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it, such as sanctions and embargoes.

But there will be others so be sure.

[Boxer]

The most interesting. that Peter the first did not say this. In general, no one said this, maybe the Armenian radio) Lies are golimy. Well, look also, maybe Bismarck said something like that, he too is attributed all nonsense)

Quote: Uncle Lee

calling Ukraine a "brotherly country".

"Do not believe the woman, do not believe the Turk, do not believe the drinker."

[Black lotos]

the roots of this whole event are
that back in 2018, Turkey and Pakistan signed an agreement on the supply of 30 T-129 ATAK helicopters, which became the largest contract in Turkish history for a one-time export supply of military products. The deal was estimated at $ 1,5 billion. However, the implementation of the contract was delayed due to Washington's refusal to provide Ankara with licenses for the export of engines produced for these helicopters by American companies.
In order to avoid German / American / Canadian / Austrian sanctions, only the option with the Ukrainian engine remained.
It turns out that in addition to the contract for 400 engines for L 15, Motor Sich will receive another contract for helicopter engines to Turkey (with the possibility of re-export to Pakistan, etc.).
Judging by the news of Ivchenko, Progress is again doing something new for China. (Including with an opportunity for Turkey)

[Alex777]

However, the implementation of the contract was delayed due to Washington's refusal to provide Ankara with licenses for the export of engines produced for these helicopters by American companies.

What prevents the United States from telling Ukraine - to stand, be afraid, not supply anything !?
Or, in your opinion, the States themselves did not sell the engines, but would they be glad for the Ukrainian sales?

[Black lotos]

Quote: Alex777

What prevents the United States from telling Ukraine - to stand, be afraid, not supply anything !?

Just a few days ago, Motor Sich again signed a contract for another supply for China and an order for an individual entrepreneur for a new engine model.
The main market is Asia. Here re-export / sanctions are slightly different. The prohibition of engines from the United States to Turkey or Europe to Turkey and other Asian ones is associated with public pressure. Therefore, and political prohibitions. A ban has been received on the supply of European and American engines to the Turks - the public is happy. And the supply of Ukrainian engines to the public in Europe / USA on a drum. Here, Ukraine itself sometimes prohibited the re-export of its engines from China to Latin America.
Motor Sich is nationalized. So the control of the state of Ukraine over it remains. And products are money. The United States does not intend to take on the maintenance of anyone. But work yourself, if you please.
Logically, they also pushed Antonov Airlans into Saylis, saving the Dnieper from the Volga. And NATO logistics.
So the US logic is quite practical here. There is control over technology. Products can be sold to maintain this control (without money, they will creep around the world)
Bans on supply are similar to bans on production and hence a loss of control.

[Alex777]

Maybe you're right. We'll see.

[Light]

As for "there will be no problems", both with deliveries and meeting deadlines, and with the quality of the engines, I would not promise in the place of the Turks)

[NF68]

Did the Turks make a mistake in choosing an engine supplier?

[iouris]

This means that Richard Moore and Erdogan and Aliyev seriously hope to win.

[International Observer]

Ukraine will supply engines for Turkish ATAK-II attack helicopters ..

... when archaeologists and anthropologists of the future unearth primitive Ukrainians, they will establish that the "great Ukrainian civilization" was defeated by an insidious enemy who killed the gullible Ukrainian "Atlanteans", enslaved their lands, desecrated and poisoned the blood of their women and children, using hypocrisy, outright lies and ... air chariots with the inscription ATAK-II.
This will be enough, because spears, arrows, pieces of rubble with dirt and cardboard tanks with the inscription "Roshen" on the towers will not be able to cause any harm to the enemy, who from the beginning of time lived the enslavement and extermination of those who were even more stupid than himself ...

[Andrey Kirilenko_2]

And how the owner will look at it from the White House.

[Reserve buildbat]

I strongly support it! The skakuas have not yet fulfilled a single contract, now they will overwhelm this one, you look and the sultan will begin to realize that the head is not only for wearing a fez and packing food.

[xorek]

Early Erdogan rubs his hands .. What will be delivered to him will greatly disappoint him
I can smell it with genes.))))

[hohohol]

The choice fell on a Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it, such as sanctions and embargoes.

Blessed is he who believes. The way the Svidomye abandoned the Chinese did not teach them anything.

[Prisoner]

When Ukraine is in business, it is better not to rush to conclusions. This "lady" is quite free to deal with contracts. It all depends on what gets into the head of the administration of "Dancing on the ladder". And in order to believe the "brotherly" feelings of the Turkish comrades, one must be either very naive, or even an idiot.

[Romanenko]

Quote: "The choice fell on the Ukrainian manufacturer because Ankara will not have problems with it, such as sanctions and embargoes."
Perhaps there will be no engines either, as well as problems with them.
But they will take the money in advance

[IgorIP]

"Ukraine will supply engines for Turkish ATAK-II attack helicopters ..."
Did the owners allow it? Or did the potheads want to throw away their sponsors?

[FrankyStein]

The statesmen blocked the supply of their helicopter engines to the Turks, thereby disrupting the contract to Pakistan. Not that they will silently watch as their new-born mongrel sticks in their spanking of the Turks.

[Sedoi zmei]

Turks on the way do not understand with whom they contacted! )) Ukraine for a YEAR was able to assemble and release ONE tank from the factory !!! ))) Turkey will get a lot of engines at this rate!

[Stepan S]

Has anyone seen this contract "in the eye"? They love to wishful thinking in Ukraine.