Ukraine is trying to get air defense and demining systems from Germany

Ukraine is trying to get some types of weapons from Germany. According to the German edition Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung (FAS), we can talk about air defense and demining systems from the presence of the German army.

According to the newspaper, Kiev needs a "defensive weapon"to protect the Black Sea coast from" Russian attack. "Ukraine would like Germany to supply the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense with something from" air defense systems "and" mine clearance equipment " a description of the "wishlist", and a wider list, but nothing is said about it.

In Berlin itself, they reacted differently to Kiev's request. While German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas is strongly opposed, Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer is in favor of deliveries. However, this lady always breathed unevenly towards Russia, several times declaring the need to speak with Moscow "from a position of strength." The Bundestag has not yet decided. It seems to be not good to refuse, but on the other hand - the system is "for defense".

Whether or not Berlin will start supplying weapons to Kiev is not yet known for certain, but earlier Germany had already refused Ukraine's request to supply the Ukrainian the fleet used german corvettes. How many ships Kiev requested and on what conditions is not reported. And why does the Navy need German corvettes, when they are perfectly supplied with boats by the United States and Great Britain.

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[Mouse]

Somewhere Germany has sinned ... since the Kraintsy demand ...

[Murmur 55]

So here recently the official "face" of Ukraine was explaining why the Germans owe them !!!!! Silly and shameless villains.

[xorek]

Quote: Mouse

Somewhere Germany has sinned ... since the Kraintsy demand ...

Through Israel they demand clearly .. In Kiev, after all, the Jews are in power in the main.
They hope to get it for free, the Germans are in thought and the Jews are afraid and they don't want to anger Russia.

[knn54]

I apologize for the hints, but a decent Frau will not "give" for free.
Moreover, the FRG "asked" the United States to place additional air defense systems.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Sorry, the source link is not provided. I would like more details.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Sorry, the source link is not provided. I would like more details.

Kiev asked Berlin for used corvettes, anti-ship missile components, air defense systems and mine clearance equipment, writes FAS. The German Foreign Minister is against the supply of weapons to Ukraine.
Berlin has not yet granted this request, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas allegedly opposes the provision of weapons to Ukraine. At the same time, Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer said that she takes an open position on the supply of weapons to Ukraine. (Judging by the media)
I read two submissions of news about the request of the Germans by Ukraine - Russian and Ukrainian. Both differ in the presentation of the content.
In the Ukrainian one, there is a complaint about the fact that Germany's policy is so pro-Russian.
In the Russian-hidden gratification that there was a refusal. More attention to the Nord Stream.
The real reason for the refusal is that Germany has nothing to offer.
according to the list (according to Ukraine)

Anti-aircraft missiles type SeaSpear, anti-aircraft systems type GDM-008 Millennium, UAVs underwater systems SeaCat and SeaFox for the detection and destruction of sea mines.

are you sure that any European country will give it without the threat of diminishing its own security?
and the corvettes asked earlier
Germany usually gave nothing (except money)

[mark1]

What are Germany's second-hand air defense systems, "Rolands" or what?

[The leader of the Redskins]

"Cheetahs" were not bad at the time. But I don't even know if they are in service now.
I say - there are no links, there is more incomprehensible than understandable, and plus accompanying comments. So rack your brains.

[mark1]

"Cheetahs" and all "last chance". From second-hand here either "Roland" or "Hawkey". But the Hawk are American, can the Germans provide them to Ukraine?

[Tusv]

Quote: mark1

What are Germany's second-hand air defense systems, "Rolands" or what?

Here nemchura with the Yankees TLVS are developing with the principle of plug & fight. Apparently Ukraine is claiming the liberated Patriots

[mark1]

The big question is about the right to re-export. "Hawk", "Patriot" are all c / w American permission

[Tusv]

So PAC-2 zhezh. I think Raytheon will be happy to lobby for the "disposal" of obsolete missiles. And an extra rich payer for American satellites will not hurt. This is essentially a few lards out of thin air.

[mark1]

They do not really like to distribute and sell their "Patriots", even outdated ones. This is not us with the S-400. And to pay to Ukraine if only girls and black earth.

[KCA]

Hospidia, not a country, but some kind of cesspool, before at least they took what they give, but now they themselves are asking Germany for decommissioned corvettes, but the Germans have a dilemma - either to show European solidarity, or to cut corvettes into metal for "Mercedes"

[Lara Croft]

Quote: KCA

now they themselves are asking Germany for decommissioned corvettes,

Most likely they check the Germans "for lice", like they wrote that the Turks would drink corvettes to Ukrainians ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: KCA

Hospidia, not a country, but some kind of cesspool, before at least they took what they give, but now they themselves are asking Germany for decommissioned corvettes, here the Germans have a dilemma

Really a dilemma. The Germans understand that Ukraine can be used by mattresses not only as a battering ram for Russia, but also as a battering ram for Germany's interests, especially in conjunction with Poland and the Baltic states, which is already evident in the SP-2 issue. In addition, due to the insanity of the leadership, Ukraine at any time can give rise to the start of a war with Russia, and the opening of a theater of military operations on the European continent does not correspond to the interests of Germany, and therefore it is not very far-sighted to strengthen a potential provocateur with weapons. Probably limited to the supply of dry rations, tents and other crap not related to lethal weapons.

[Charik]

It is better to cut and sell to Mercy in the Russian Federation, my friend just recently sold the 200th, he left for 5 years, until he had a hell of a lot of owners, 92-94 years of release, everything is repaired with his own hands in most cases, I wonder how it is with the release in the Moscow Region the factory which "SAM" opened.

[Murmur 55]

Kiev ALWAYS needs a freebie !!!!! Therefore, a song about evil Russia is sung, perhaps to be sorry and toss what anyone can, but THEY are wildly independent.

[Mouse]

Help, good people, We ourselves are not local, We are starving and wandering ...

[Coconut]

Ukraine is trying to get air defense and demining systems from Germany

and the banal money for life will be given to the citizens of Ukraine ?? ... hardly

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

They obviously forge iron without leaving the checkout. They arrange carpet begging in the hope that somewhere, yes, it will work.

[Russ]

They all owe them in life ...
With the world on a thread - a naked shirt ...

[Gardener91]

Germany does not require a vaccine, preferably a reverse vaccine, otherwise there is no one?

[Zaurbek]

During the Second World War, the Germans had a bunch of anti-aircraft guns based on the T-3

[DominickS]

According to the logic of the chubats, it seems like everyone owes them, poor and unhappy.

[Ros 56]

From a dead elephant, these Natsiks will be given ears, after all, Germany is the guarantor of the Minsk agreements. If he does, he will untie our hands.

[rotmistr60]

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas is strongly opposed, Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer is in favor of deliveries

Every female defense minister is a hawk. Russophobia superimposed on menopause creates wonderful deeds. 75 years is obviously too long for the preservation of German memory. It's a pity. Well, Ukraine has learned to do well to beg in Europe.

[Boromir1941]

the keyword is demanding. insolence rushes over the edges

[Vadim Gavrilov]

Air defense systems - okay, but mine clearance systems are clearly not defense.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Vadim Gavrilov

Air defense systems - okay, but mine clearance systems are clearly not defense.

RCC also requested-Brimstone Sea Spear.
and UAV clearance.

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[NF68]

And, of course, Germany is simply obliged to deliver all this free of charge. again for free?

[7 poplar]

here the chmyrs no longer know what to ask for, one word is the Ukrainians!