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What to do with Ukraine?

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What to do with Ukraine?

The drift of Ukraine from Russia is getting stronger every year. And today in the post-Soviet space it is most aggressively disposed against Russia, considers it to be its strategic enemy and "aggressor country", while striving for NATO membership. All Russian attempts to find mutual understanding with the Ukrainian "hetmanate" lead nowhere. And the peaceful coexistence of two neighboring states is a big question.


Systemic contradictions between Russia and Ukraine


Whatever power is elected in Ukraine, it always becomes Russophobic. And it is pursuing a policy that is hostile to Russia. And all this is due to objective circumstances.

The fact is that the basis of Russia and Ukraine is based on systemic and insurmountable contradictions, since Ukraine was initially formed as the antithesis of Russia. When the state of Ukraine was created, its basis was based on the vicious idea of ​​a separate Ukrainian people, imposed by the Poles in the XNUMXth century, with the denial of the ethnogenesis of the two branches of the Russian people, Russian roots and a common historical past.

On this basis, the Ukrainian "hetmanate" deliberately abandoned the achievements of Russian civilization and purposefully introduced into society invented myths and legends about the independent "Ukrainian nation" and its "age-old" stories, adopting the neobander ideology. In view of the mythical nature of this idea and the inferiority complex formed by the “hetmanate”, he saw in the person of Russia and the Russian people not an ally close in blood, but an enemy, refuting the existence of the mythical “Ukrainian nation” by objective historical facts.

The situation was aggravated by the fact that the territory of Ukraine never existed on its own. She was always someone's protectorate. Unable to manage it independently, the local "hetmanat" was constantly looking for another owner. And he consistently found it in the face of Poles, Russians, Austrians, Germans and now - Americans, who with enviable consistency used this territory to put pressure on Russia.

Without changing the anti-Russian basis of Ukraine and without breaking the political system built there on its basis, it is impossible to reformat it into a state friendly to Russia. Russian-Ukrainian ideological and state contradictions in their current form are insoluble. There are no political forces in Ukraine that are ready and capable of reformatting the country. Even if they were, the Americans would still not let them do it.

After the coup in 2014, Ukraine finally lost its international subjectivity. And it came under the external control of the United States, using it as a springboard in its geopolitical confrontation with Russia. For the United States, Ukraine is the key to destabilizing Russia on its southern borders. And they are doing everything possible not to let go of such a trump card.

The interests of the Ukrainian "hetmanate" and its curator, the United States, in limiting Russia's capabilities on all fronts completely coincide. And by joint efforts, they are realizing this task. The existence of Ukraine in its present form is a challenge to Russian national interests. And contradictions with this state, in principle, cannot be eliminated.

An attempt through the Normandy Four to establish a peaceful dialogue within the framework of the Minsk agreements was initially doomed to failure. EU countries are political vassals of the United States and cannot make independent decisions. Only the Americans are able to determine the level of Russian-Ukrainian relations. In this regard, the deadlock of the agreements was obvious from the very beginning. And no UN resolutions can revive them.

Ukraine is a geopolitical problem of Russia


Today the question of Ukraine is a geopolitical problem of Russia. And it will have to be solved with the United States, relations with which have sharply deteriorated lately. The United States is actively pushing Ukraine to unleash a military conflict with Russia.

The situation has heated up to the limit. And many compare it to the Cuban missile crisis.
Considering that Putin has officially declared that the provocation of Ukraine may end in the loss of its statehood, everyone understands perfectly well the doom of its position. And the Ukrainian leadership here acts as a kamikaze, carrying out hara-kiri at the command of the United States.

At the same time, Russia's position is not so simple. She cannot but answer. And the answer will entail inevitable sanctions, isolation or blockade, the closure of the Nord Stream 2 project, a fall in the economy and an inevitable deterioration in the living standards of the population.

The collective West has already designated Russia as the culprit, whatever it does and no matter how it tries to avoid the clash. To this she is being strenuously brought. Americans need a reason to isolate Russia. And Ukraine, like no one else, is suitable for this role. It will not be a pity to use it as a bargaining chip and sacrifice.

For the United States, now the dilemma is what to sacrifice: to exchange Ukraine and stop Nord Stream 2, forcing Germany to impose sanctions. Or to preserve and strengthen the Ukrainian foothold, allowing Germany to strengthen itself through the gas pipeline and establish closer contacts with Russia.

At the same time, the United States is well aware that by isolating Russia from the West, it will inevitably push it to expand contacts with China and to conclude an agreement on military-political cooperation with it. Which is even more unpleasant for the Americans, since China and Ukraine are too different weight categories in global politics. Russia has to constantly respond to the actions taken by the Americans, although it can work ahead of the curve and aggravate the situation, which is now happening.

A powerful group of Russian troops is concentrated in the Ukrainian theater of operations, capable of quickly solving the problem with this quasi-state, the only question is the price of this step. There are many options. And they have probably already been worked out by the General Staff and are awaiting their implementation. No West will fight for Ukraine. He will only express concern and furiously begin to torment Russia for its "aggressiveness".

The Ukrainian problem has been maturing for thirty years. And it came to its logical conclusion - the formation of a state hostile to Russia in the borderland, ready to serve geopolitical Russian opponents for the sake of retaining the puppet power of the “hetmanate”. Feeling its inferiority, this government behaved accordingly all these years. With an outstretched hand, she asked for Russian handouts (often just stealing) or, at the incitement of the overlord, she poked at Russia from the gateway. And, receiving a kick, whining, hiding under his feet and ingratiatingly asked for protection. This has become especially evident in recent weeks with Ukrainian requests (sometimes blackmail) to the overlord to join NATO, the introduction of alliance troops to Ukraine, supplies weapons and financial support.

In Ukraine, some view Russia as a “cash cow” and seek to “milk” it, while others - as an implacable enemy with whom they only need to fight. For seven years the Russian leadership amused itself with the illusion that it is possible to come to an agreement with these people. It looks like they have melted. And the time comes to take drastic and painful measures, which cannot be done without.

It is not so much a matter of Ukraine, but of Russia's national interests. Leaving this territory, Russia frees it up for a geopolitical adversary who already controls the local "hetmanate" and will inevitably expand its sphere of influence.

Russia is forced to make a decision about the future of Ukraine: to endure this abscess further, knowing that it will ever be opened anyway, or to eliminate it once and for all. The second option is a real threat of the use or use of Russian military force. And not in Donbass, but against Ukraine with all the ensuing consequences.

Ways to solve the problem


The Russian leadership today is at a geopolitical crossroads - once again yield to the Americans and "wipe away" by weakening its southern flank, or, acting assertively and demonstrating determination to use military force, force the Americans to "wipe away". On the latest actions of the Russian defense and diplomatic departments, the scales tilt towards the second option. And the United States, sensing the determination of the Russians, began to pursue a policy of "one step forward and two back", while not bringing the relationship to a critical point.

In his message to the Federal Assembly, Putin made it clear that Moscow itself will determine the red lines in relations with other countries on a case-by-case basis. And if necessary, her answer will be "asymmetrical, fast and tough." Peskov later stressed that the red line for Moscow in relations with Kiev runs along the line of Russian national interests, unequivocally hinting to the "hetmanate" about the possible consequences of inappropriate behavior.

In the post-Soviet space, Ukraine has become the most hostile and irreconcilable state, aimed only at confrontation and war with Russia. And this is the main meaning of the activities of its ruling elite. The longer such a state exists, the more it creates geopolitical problems for Russia. This abscess in the post-Soviet space will still have to be removed, no matter how painful it may be. Including for the edification of others seeking to blackmail Russia to the limitrophes.

The collapse of the Union did not go to the benefit of the limitrophes. The nationalist elite that seized power there transferred their states to the control of external curators, who were building a pro-Western cordon along the perimeter of the Russian borders. And sooner or later this system will have to be broken.

The Russian state is no longer as toothless as it was in 2014. It got stronger economically, took steps to ensure its financial security. And most importantly, it strengthened and modernized its armed forces, equipping them with modern weapons, superior in their characteristics to the overseas geopolitical enemy. All this forces the United States to act more carefully in relation to Russia, since it may receive an unexpected asymmetric response.

It makes no sense to solve the problem of the existence of Ukraine with its leadership. There are only two ways in which no one will ask her opinion. The first is to launch a lightning-fast missile, artillery and air strike against Ukrainian positions, paralyzing the will to resist and leading to an inevitable and unconditional surrender, so that the United States does not even have time to recover. At the same time, by calling the United States a few minutes before the strike, as they did during the missile strike on Syria. Still, such a strong opponent must be respected. And then - the reinforced corps of the LDNR confidently move towards the Dnieper and go to Kiev, closing the Ukrainian statehood and forming a new government.

The second way is an agreement with the United States on the transfer of Ukraine in whole or in parts to the jurisdiction of Russia. And she will decide how to deal with this territory. To do this, Russia, by military or diplomatic means, must put the United States in such conditions in which they would not have the opportunity to refuse such an offer. The two great powers Russia and the United States (even Biden officially admitted this) have many interests and points of contact around the world. And they, together with China, will have to share it in the near future. And at the same time, Ukraine may once again turn out to be a bargaining chip.

Which option will the Russian leadership choose?

It depends on many factors influencing the decision.

At the same time, the experiment with the creation of a neo-Nazi and Russophobic state on this territory must be completed. And the people, exhausted by the long occupation, should finally get the opportunity to live as they see fit, having dealt with their tormentors.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 April 26 2021 12: 03
    +10
    Which option will the Russian leadership choose?
    Is there a good option? Or is one worse than the other?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 26 2021 12: 16
      +17
      it was necessary to decide immediately after secession, but our government was busy dividing up wealth, now it's too late.
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 26 2021 12: 34
        +10
        Neither the first nor the second option will work. Ours will not go for a military permit. And it's pointless to negotiate with the Amerzians. Yes, time is lost and you will have to live next to an enemy state.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat April 26 2021 13: 15
          +1
          Time could work for Russia too. One power in Ukraine would leave, another would come. But the Russian authorities made mistakes, brought the situation to a standstill and in the process burned the bridges back. Alas, this is not a computer game, it is impossible to load the level at first.
          1. lucul
            lucul April 26 2021 14: 47
            +16
            Time could work for Russia too. One power in Ukraine would leave, another would come. But the Russian authorities made mistakes, brought the situation to a standstill and in the process burned the bridges back. Alas, this is not a computer game, it is impossible to load the level at first.

            Don't tell me - who to negotiate with there? There is not a single Ukrainian in power. Nobody represents the interests of Ukraine there.
            It is like negotiating peace with the groom of the feudal lord, instead of the feudal lord himself.
            And the puppeteers rested their horns - they say it will be in my opinion and that's all. Here Putin begins to cut all the ends, because it really comes to fried. And no other options are visible, except of course the disintegration of Russia into many pieces - this is the only option our enemies can accept, everything else will not suit them.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 April 27 2021 09: 52
              +5
              Quote: lucul
              Don't tell me - who to negotiate with there? There is not a single Ukrainian in power.

              The point is that, in principle, what happened in Ukraine was programmed in 1991. Well, it's impossible to build a state there differently. Only as an anti-Russia and anti-USSR. And no matter who will be in power there, even the Chinese. Another thing is that our government has aggravated everything even more with its skilful foreign policy.
              Quote: lucul
              And no other options are visible, except of course the disintegration of Russia into many pieces - this is the only option our enemies can accept, everything else will not suit them.

              What Putin and the oligarchs behind him are actively helping, with their reforms of health care, science, education, the labor code, pension reform, gigantic corruption and other sawing, mocking mockery. As a result, we have screams on TV about the need to unite from those whose faces do not fit into the screen and the poor people gloomily looking at all this phantasmagoria and their empty pockets, stupid youth following the bulk provocateur because of all this ongoing injustice. With such hands, drivers and enemies are not necessary.
              1. Kamarada
                Kamarada April 27 2021 12: 06
                0
                True eyes hurt.
                Minus and are sculpted by the poor
              2. Maikcg
                Maikcg April 28 2021 01: 59
                -3
                The poor people are morose ..
                In 2020, sold (new) 1 passenger cars and light commercial vehicles. The number of transactions under contracts of purchase and sale registered by Rosreestr in the secondary real estate market in the first three quarters of 598 increased by more than 825% compared to the same period last year and amounted to 2020 million. Mortgage registration also shows a positive trend. For three quarters of 50, Rosreestr registered 2,5 million mortgages, which is 2020% more than in the same period last year. Chef, everything is gone, the plaster is being removed, the client is leaving, the expenses of Russian tourists on vacation abroad in 2,3 decreased by 7% compared to last year and amounted to 2020 billion rubles.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 27 2021 09: 58
              +4
              The situation was aggravated by the fact that the territory of Ukraine never existed on its own. She was always someone's protectorate. Unable to manage it independently, the local "hetmanat" was constantly looking for another owner.

              The author wants to say that the USSR was destroyed by immigrants from Ukraine who made their way into the leadership? bully
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov April 27 2021 19: 52
                +3
                A good, interesting, relevant and correct article by Yuri Mikhailovich!

                I believe that the "second way" is unacceptable for Russia due to the obvious incapacity to negotiate and the arrogant cunning of "respected partners" from an unfriendly country.

                Regarding the statement that "For the United States, Ukraine is the key to destabilizing Russia on its southern borders. And they are doing everything possible not to let go of such a trump card."then disagree with him. It seems that the State Department will not only "let go of the key," but will itself try to throw it into Russia harder in order to bring more harm to Russia! Why? According to many well-known experts (with whose opinion I agree), the United States is going to sacrifice the dilapidated Ukraine, having thrown it into Donbass / Russia, in order to save its influence on Europe, which may sharply decrease after the completion of the SP-2. In addition, after the introduction of the SP-2, not only will there be a rapprochement between Germany / Europe and Russia, but also the economic and political independence of Europe will increase, and the competitiveness of European goods will increase. And the influence of the United States on Europe and the competitiveness of American goods, respectively, will decrease! Figuratively speaking, SP-2 is Russia's key to Europe! And that's why the State Department is trying so hard to destroy it.
          2. Anatoly 288
            Anatoly 288 April 26 2021 18: 17
            +19
            I'm afraid I'll pick up the minuses, but ... there is only one solution - a military one, and the longer we wait, the harder it will be. If this is not done, then Poland and Lithuania will look like fraternal states against the background of Ukraine. The anti-Russia project will be cared for and cherished, in every possible way supporting. The belt of states in which hatred towards our country is cultivated has been created. It can only be destroyed by force, and no persuasion or negotiation will help, because these are not independent subjects. Yes, there will be sanctions, there will be a curtain ... but all this will be so, regardless of whether we negotiate or cut this "Gordian knot." The Anglo-Saxons will not leave us alone and the fate of the Indians awaits us, if we continue to accept their rules and act in accordance with their wishes
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion April 27 2021 08: 04
              -2
              I’m wondering why the military decision will be more difficult then? What, the great ukroeconomics will rise and ukrov will have a full-fledged army? On the contrary, the more people flee from Ukraine, the less problems there will be with it, and Russia can carry this business for decades.
              1. Kaetani
                Kaetani April 28 2021 21: 28
                +1
                Simply because every year there will be more and more stubborn and anti-Russian soldiers. Russian people with altered consciousness will fight with frenzy.
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 April 27 2021 09: 57
              0
              Quote: Anatoly 288
              The Anglo-Saxons will not leave us alone and the fate of the Indians awaits us, if we continue to accept their rules and act in accordance with their wishes

              I'm wondering when will this nonsense about the Anglo-Saxons finally end? Are there Anglo-Saxons in South Korea and Japan? Obama Anglo-Saxon? Condoleezza Rice? Colin Powell? Poles? Germans? French people? Are they all Anglo-Saxons? The Chinese, apparently, too. For they are still friends. Yes, and dad Lukashenko, too, apparently the Anglo-Saxon with his freaks.
            3. your1970
              your1970 April 27 2021 20: 01
              -1
              Quote: Anatoly 288
              I'm afraid I'll pick up the minuses, but ... there is only one solution - a military one, and the longer we wait, the harder it will be.

              In the event of a military decision and the occupation of Ukraine, it will be necessary to create camps and shoot them. The experience of the last time showed that the Banderaites are capable of doing harm for a very long time, then they ran through the forests from 1944 to 1956. In those days, the USSR could afford to comb the forests with divisions and hang them in place according to the laws of wartime - but even with such a scenario it took more than 10 years....
              In addition, the size of our army is obviously not enough for a full-fledged occupation ...
              For the naive, "There is a brotherly people! They will meet with flowers!" - here, in the middle of the Russian Federation, 2 Ukrainians are sitting in a brigade and pestering "You damned aggressors !! Ukraine always feeds you, you will eat it !!!" ...
              At first, they tried to pump the rights - but the chief and the district police officer forbade them to beat lol ... .. Very narrow specialists, but with him staunchly silent ...
              And already there ... PS and Terbats will definitely not meet with flowers
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 27 2021 08: 02
            -3
            Doesn't your forelock shake you? The Russian authorities made mistakes. Well, yes, apparently, the Russian authorities drove the chubaty to Europa, so that they happily galloped around and bellowed over a piece of paper on the Move.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 April 27 2021 10: 00
              +10
              And what did our authorities do to prevent this all? Never mind. We sat and looked calmly. Sawed together with the Ukrainian oligarchs and officials for the loot and did not blow a mustache.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion April 27 2021 10: 11
                +6
                Or you can ask a simple question. And what exactly did our authorities have to do to prevent this? Let me remind you that the Ukrainians received the same gas for a pittance, and cheap gas is the competitiveness of the industry. A normal state will stick with its teeth for such a preference. Did it help? Practice shows that neither dill nor zmagar in understanding the basic things related to their own food are not very different from the crocodile, who does not see the difference between food and the hand that gives him this food. Ukrainians and zmagars prefer impracticable promises from the US or the EU to any real gingerbread that Russia has to offer, and no attempt to appeal to common sense or somehow economically tie them to Russia will work. The Germans can be supplied with a gas pipeline, and given access to our market, and they, despite orders from Washington, will hold on to these delights. Or the Chinese.
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat April 27 2021 10: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  Ukrainians and zmagars prefer impracticable promises from the US or the EU to any real gingerbread that Russia has to offer, and no attempt to appeal to common sense or somehow economically tie them to Russia will work.

                  Do you recognize the subjectivity of the Ukrainians? It cannot be assumed at the same time that 1) they do the wrong thing 2) they do not decide anything and nothing depends on them.
                2. staer-62
                  staer-62 April 28 2021 04: 05
                  0
                  This is well said about the crocodile.
              2. Maikcg
                Maikcg April 28 2021 02: 03
                -1
                And what did our authorities do to prevent this all?

                The authorities dealt with the internal issues of Russia. It was not up to the ruins, that they should be kissed in the ass, so that they would not want to go to Europe since 91.
          4. Maikcg
            Maikcg April 27 2021 23: 24
            -2
            And time is running out, depopulation is underway. In 91, there were 52 million. Now they are even afraid to officially conduct the census, operating with approximate numbers based on indirect data. We would like to quickly, but our president is too kind, does not want a final solution to the Ukrainian question in that very terrible definition. So the ruin will rot for another 20 years.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 April 28 2021 10: 32
              -1
              Quote: MaikCG
              So the ruin will rot for another 20 years.

              Previously, domestic guardians gave Ukraine two or three years. Now, apparently, the training manual has changed for the screwed up strategists and tacticians. Before you count the losses of the Ukrainians, our Russian ones. Half a million for 2020 and this year the same is promised. What is no longer so joyful to watch a neighbor's cow dying?
              1. Maikcg
                Maikcg April 28 2021 13: 43
                0
                While the fat dries, the thin one dies.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 April 28 2021 13: 47
                  -1
                  Compared to the United States and China, we are not that thin, but generally dystrophic. Here is such a jerk without swinging.
                  1. Maikcg
                    Maikcg April 30 2021 12: 36
                    -1
                    Let's tell us what the United States has to do with it, and even more so China, and why there is no India.
              2. bukhach
                bukhach April 29 2021 14: 28
                -1
                You tell your Ukrainian homies about the cow, that's who likes to drool over this, and who is allotted how much time (it does not matter - the person or the state) only heaven knows.
          5. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 April 28 2021 19: 09
            -1
            Quote: military_cat
            Time could work for Russia too. One power in Ukraine would leave, another would come. But the Russian authorities made mistakes, brought the situation to a standstill and in the process burned the bridges back. Alas, this is not a computer game, it is impossible to load the level at first.


            You can send special forces to eliminate the leadership of Ukraine. And put as the new leader of Ukraine, for example, N. Azarov (well, or someone else useful to us person).
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka April 26 2021 16: 32
          +4
          To do this, Russia, by military or diplomatic means, must put the United States in such conditions in which they would not have the opportunity to refuse such an offer.
          In my opinion, the first (military) option is less fantastic.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 April 26 2021 13: 10
        +7
        never say never ... it is clear that they realized it too late, but at least something will have to be decided! Too close, too much unpleasant on the other side.
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 26 2021 13: 43
        +3
        Quote: Dead Day
        it was necessary to decide immediately after secession, but our government was busy dividing up wealth, now it's too late.

        late for what?
        ps
        it's easy to be smart in hindsight ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 26 2021 16: 37
          +4
          It's too late for everything. For a military solution, for negotiations and persuasion. Clinch. Draw.
      4. boni592807
        boni592807 April 28 2021 16: 49
        0
        Dedkastary (Old Dedka), April 26, 2021 12:16 pm - "... it was necessary to decide immediately after the secession, but our government was busy dividing up wealth, now it's too late ..."

        Dear colleague, as the ancient wisdom says - "... It's too late, it's only when forward and in white sneakers... " belay There is confidence that Russia will still live crying
        I only agree that: it was necessary - BEFORE, it was necessary - AFTER, it was necessary in 2014 and there was a desire there, etc. It was...". repeat But, if only to "freeze" and "concentrate", then of course ...
        There are factorsAs in part even of the current elite Oh, krajinayou don't even need to talk about the people, there is a factors - Wishlist, such as Poland, Romania, Hungary - there are a maximum of Bandera fans. Нand the flag in their hands! Agree with these "gentlemen", Yes, for such a piece that Comrade. Stalin Oh, I gave it to the country, they will turn a blind eye to NATO membership for a while. All the rest that they (oh, people of Kraintsy) had to leave at that time to those who fled from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth drinks . Rest force imposed by RI (Russian tsars) and the USSR (secretaries general) to take request. How many damned Muscovites can hide their tender souls. sad
        Immediately, the main problems will disappear - who will go to Poland, oh, how they love Bandera. And Romania and Hungary too. And an islet with vague borders of Pereyaslavskaya Rada will remember glorious traditions and close the project by nasovsm.
        But, we must not interfere with the process at least a little ...And, then we do a "bicycle" (who was in the pioneer camp of the USSR, he knows), but we steadfastly do not give ourselves up ... And how, it got very good ?! hi
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 26 2021 12: 16
      +15
      To date, Russia has only options with the use of either economic or forceful pressure. Horseradish, as you know, is not sweeter than radish.
      There is "the most optimal option for a residence permit":

      Will it suit everyone?
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 26 2021 12: 24
        +4
        This is not Zhirinovsky's proposal, but a common sense proposal. This card was in use for many years before Zhirik attributed it to himself.
        1. dorz
          dorz April 26 2021 13: 09
          -1
          The Russian leadership is today at a geopolitical crossroads, -

          "We would only have to stand for the night and hold out for the day."

          There is no plan for the development of the country under the conditions of sanctions.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 21: 32
          -7
          Quote: Silhouette
          This card was in use for many years before Zhirik attributed it to himself.

          so let yourself move on
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 27 2021 10: 05
          +2
          Quote: Silhouette
          This is not Zhirinovsky's proposal, but a common sense proposal.

          Well yes. Our correct spiritual capitalists are not used to trading the Motherland, sawing it into economically profitable parts. They have been doing it for a long time under the screams of the damned komunyaki who destroyed Russia. But of course "this is different."
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 26 2021 12: 29
        +10
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Will it suit everyone

        This plan will no longer suit the Ukrainians themselves. If in 2014 they were waiting for us in the green areas, the seisas are already against it. Alas, time is irrevocably and ineptly wasted.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 26 2021 12: 38
          +9
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Alas, time is irrevocably and ineptly wasted.

          Change in the economic formation, nationalization of what was captured in the 90s, progressive methods with the withdrawal of capital to offshore, etc. etc. will be able to work a miracle, the likeness of which Herbert Wells was surprised at the time.
          If we continue to hope for the breakthroughs and breakthroughs of the aging permanent "guarantor for not everyone", watch how everything that is badly considered and taken into account is taken out of the country, calmly clap our hands at the sight of the heroes of capitalist labor, hope that the polar bear with a goat inside it will become an angel ... then we will lose the last ...
          ==========
          True, there is an opportunity to take ownership of the second additional "Far Eastern hectare" ... But this is unlikely to save us from increasing extinction in the physical sense. wassat
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 18: 58
            +3
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Change in the economic formation, nationalization of what was captured in the 90s, progressive methods with the withdrawal of capital to offshore, etc. etc. will be able to work a miracle ...

            ... even in Russia, but we don't. So how and who will do it in Ukraine!
        2. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 26 2021 12: 44
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          This plan will no longer suit the Ukrainians themselves. If in 2014 they were waiting for us in the green areas, the seisas are already against it. Alas, time is irrevocably and ineptly wasted.

          Why did "they" manage to solve the problem in their favor of soldering the brains of this population in 6 years, but we cannot?
          It is another matter that even then the economic cost of the issue is very high, but if this issue had been taken on good terms then we would have already recovered, and the crisis is still ahead.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 26 2021 13: 06
            +8
            Why did "they" manage to solve the problem in their favor of soldering the brains of this population in 6 years, but we cannot?

            Very simple! "This population" looks east and west. And what happens to the east, he does not like. Another factor worked - the events in 14 catalyzed the accelerated formation of the Ukrainian nation on an anti-Russian basis. hi
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 26 2021 19: 02
              -4
              Quote: pytar
              And what happens to the east, he does not like. Another factor worked - the events in 14 catalyzed the accelerated formation of the Ukrainian nation on an anti-Russian basis.

              True, no one in Ukraine wants an eternal President! And in 2014, Russia, unwittingly, rallied the Ukrainians.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 26 2021 20: 54
                -5
                True, no one in Ukraine wants an eternal President!

                I think there are few places in the world who want an eternal president. Even the most successful president gets exhausted after a while, bothers people. Clever will leave in time, while maintaining authority ... A truly strong, stable state does not so much influence from those who perform one or the other position. hi
            2. bayard
              bayard April 26 2021 22: 16
              +14
              Quote: pytar
              events in the 14th year, catalyzed the accelerated formation of the Ukrainian nation on an anti-Russian basis.

              Stupidity. No nation will be formed there if liberation comes.
              That people are waiting for.
              And they waited in 2014.
              In 2014, the Russian people (80% of the population) were betrayed. And not only the local government (read oligarchy, having entered into a criminal conspiracy with the enemy), but also the Russian government itself, whose leader PERSONALLY persuaded Yanukovych to surrender - to sign agreements with terrorists.
              And it was then - in 2014, with the rescued president of this country, who asked for help in suppressing the fascist rebellion, no help was provided.
              And they were waiting for her.
              All over Ukraine.
              People were waiting. And they were ready to support this choice with arms in hand.
              But they didn't have any weapons.
              It was possible to obtain weapons and somehow organize resistance only in two regions (not the most active in the resistance in the first days after the coup (Kharkov and Odessa were much more active). Donetsk and Lugansk were just farthest from the center.
              And if Russia wants to survive, and the question stands that way, then it will have to decide (finally decide) the Ukrainian question.
              Otherwise, decay and death.
              Therefore, the issue will be resolved.
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis April 26 2021 22: 39
                +3
                Quote: bayard
                just from the center.
                And if Russia wants to survive, and the question stands that way, then it will have to decide (finally decide) the Ukrainian question.
                Otherwise, decay and death.
                Therefore, the issue will be resolved

                Quite right ... Even in the air you can feel some kind of tension ... A forceful solution is inevitable .. This cannot continue any longer ..
                1. bayard
                  bayard April 26 2021 23: 08
                  +12
                  With military maneuvers near the borders, Russia knocked down the fighting excitement of Krajina-U, caught up with fear, but did not resolve the issue. And there was no time for the question - at the time of the maneuvers the fields had not yet dried out properly. The pipeline has not been completed.
                  But the opening of the conspiracy of the United States and England to murder the Lukashenka family and a coup in Belarus thwarted many plans. After all, everything should have started at the same time - Donbass, Karabakh / Armenia, Belarus, possibly - the border of Crimea and Transnistria. Russia simply would not have time everywhere.
                  That was the plan.
                  And it is opened and ripped off.
                  Revenge for this and the layout of the new plan came from the demarches of the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, the Baltic States ...
                  The solution to the Krajina-U issue should happen this year.
                  Otherwise, a strategic defeat. That is why the stakes are so high.
                  And it is necessary to prepare for war not only in Ukraine.
                  We need to prepare for War.
                  And this is not our choice.
                  1. Osipov9391
                    Osipov9391 April 26 2021 23: 43
                    +1
                    Is Russia also preparing for war? But in the regions, the authorities only invest in shopping centers, banks and other business projects. No production. Everything is ruined. Massive aging of the housing stock, infrastructure and energy systems back in the 60s. People survive on a salary of 15-17 thousand rubles and no longer think about anything. They don't even go to the polls. Now they have given some handouts to families with children and they are already happy.
                    Import substitution has been disrupted. Even those units for combat aircraft (registration and warning) that were done on the Kiev "Electropribor" were not really replaced. And what was replaced by Chinese microcircuits and American matrices because there are none of their own. Although the money for all this was safely spent.
                    The fifth column sits everywhere. And this is not Navalny. These are, as a rule, those who sit in the offices of power. Many deputies receive 200 thousand a month and do not meet with voters for more years. Even the simplest problems cannot be solved. They simply do not care about the common people. I do not defend Yeltsin, but this has become precisely under Putin.
                    Under Serdyukov, dozens of military airfields were disbanded (see Kilp-Yavr near Murmansk, for example). Everything is plundered and plundered. Hundreds of planes were launched into metal. In many regions, air defense is absent as a class.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard April 27 2021 00: 50
                      +10
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      But in the regions, the authorities only invest in shopping centers, banks and other business projects.

                      belay And I thought it was a sinful thing that these were all commercial projects ...
                      The state finances only infrastructure projects and the construction of strategic enterprises. Moreover, the construction of the latter is CREDIT.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      No production. Everything is ruined.

                      Well, maybe not everything after all? Although monotowns and hinterland are really degrading. But we have capitalism (with its bestial nature), and it does not finance unprofitable objects. It was necessary to preserve the USSR, they would now have an economy almost like China's. And China would not have this (some of the markets would remain with us).
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      Massive aging of the housing stock, infrastructure and energy systems back in the 60s.

                      Yes, in the provinces and in the periphery this is exactly the case. request But not everywhere. Where business is interested, on the contrary, housing is being built at an accelerated pace, and the infrastructure is developing. But under capitalism, no one promised to support the housing stock at the state expense, for this, the privatization of housing was carried out.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      People survive on a salary of 15-17 thousand rubles and no longer think about anything. They don't even go to the polls.

                      Perhaps, too, not everywhere, there are regions with quite a decent salary. But this is capitalism. And the Soviet history and social science textbooks did not lie to us.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      ... Even the simplest problems cannot be solved. They simply do not care about the common people.

                      Quite right. For this, the USSR, the state of social justice, was abolished. In order for the communists ("correct" communists) to become capitalists. They became.
                      And they are doing well - "like under Nicholas II", as the main mustache of the Kremlin said.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      I don’t defend Yeltsin, but this became precisely under Putin.

                      There was a lot of things under Yeltsin, but the process of liquidation of the welfare state could not be carried out immediately and simultaneously, so that all the processes launched then are developing successfully.
                      And the state is not run by Putin at all.
                      This has become especially evident since the beginning of last year.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      Under Serdyukov, dozens of military airfields were disbanded (see Kilp-Yavr near Murmansk, for example). Everything has been plundered and plundered. Hundreds of planes were launched to the metal

                      That's exactly how it is with airfields. And with military universities. And with the backbone of the army - the senior officers did ... not very well ... but only the "loyal" remained. But the quality has dropped a lot.
                      And those planes that "went to melall" became metal even before that. Since 2009, hundreds of new ones have come to the troops, and as for military aviation, in principle, not bad machines have come at all.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      In many regions, air defense is absent as a class.

                      Such an air defense system, as in the USSR, no one had, and will never be.
                      And modern Russia simply cannot do this. Neither financially, nor in terms of personnel ... Otherwise, the entire personnel of the RF Armed Forces would have to serve in the air defense.
                      From what modern Russia has a modern, combat-ready and effective, it is its air defense. Especially in its ground component. But to fight in cruise missiles, there is an acute shortage of AWACS aircraft.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      Are they also preparing for war in Russia?

                      I don’t know how they prepare for it, seriously, but only it cannot be avoided.
                      Alas.
                      And this is not our choice.
                      1. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 April 27 2021 01: 55
                        +2
                        Monocities are terribly degrading. I am the Tver region, 140 kilometers from Moscow. Salaries are the same 15-17 thousand. Almost everything was destroyed. Where are domestic excavators now, for example? (Kovrovsky, Voronezh, Tverskoy, Kostroma) These factories no longer exist. At best, these are sites for the assembly of imported equipment from imported components.
                        It turns out that the processes that the drunken Tsar Boris launched 25 years ago are only being activated and are beginning to hurt our society, eliminating all social guarantees? The power and the people, even at the level of the municipality, completely disagree like in the sea of ​​a ship. This was not the case either in the 90s or in the 00s. Even then, representatives of industry, medicine, education and other things went to the deputies. Their salaries were rather symbolic. Some didn’t get anything with their main job. Now this is unrealistic. Bald skulls with money from the same party in power go to power. They falsify elections for their own sake. Everyone is bullied and bought. They were the ones who drove the pension reform and other destructive laws.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard April 27 2021 02: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        Monocities are terribly degrading. I am the Tver region, 140 kilometers from Moscow. Salaries are the same 15-17 thousand.

                        Sorry . I am Donetsk, we have even more fun.
                    2. Osipov9391
                      Osipov9391 April 27 2021 02: 04
                      -3
                      Most of the aircraft that came after 2009 are long outdated. They were late about 20 years. This also applies to the Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3. China and other countries have been using such machines for decades - outdated equipment is hopeless there. I know what I am saying, because something has fallen into my hands and is falling. Technologies of the 80s. The same Su-30M2 (2010) did not go very far from the Su-27UB (1986). Only a refueling bar appeared and slightly modernized the outdated N001 radar. More or less "aircraft" can only be called Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S in tactical aviation. There, the equipment and capabilities are already much better, they have gone ahead. And all kinds of MiG-29SMT, Su-27SM, Su-30M2, as I called them, are hopelessly outdated. There was no particular sense in supplying them - it was possible to modernize the existing resource ones (many still fit for spare parts or let them into metal) to such a level.
                    3. bayard
                      bayard April 27 2021 02: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      Most of the aircraft that came after 2009 are long outdated. They were late about 20 years. This also applies to the Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3.

                      So these machines were adopted from the reserve, that China refused to buy - they were supplied with weakened, outdated aircraft according to avionics. Just so that the ground did not disappear, they decided to put them in the videoconferencing.
                      In addition, I heard that more advanced avionics, Bars radar or even Irbis were installed on the Su-27SM3. But in the end there are not so many of these export models in service. The basis is still the Su-34, Su-30SM and Su-35, and all the Su-30SM are going to be upgraded to the level of the Su-30SM2, with engines and avionics from the Su-35. A new modification of the Su-34M is also being prepared, and the entire fleet of Su-34s will also be upgraded to this level during a mid-life repair - during a planned replacement of engines.
                      Another thing is that new A-100 AWACS never appeared, and even the existing A-50s were upgraded to A-50U only 6 pieces. And this greatly negates the capabilities of combat aviation.
                      Basically, everything is done for show and PR.
                      But such is the modern power, it lives in its own parallel reality. But they were preparing for the war, and apparently they will continue to prepare, seriously - life forced. But everything is solely for the sake of their own interests, and not for the sake of the Russian People, the Russian World and other, abstract concepts for them.
                    4. Osipov9391
                      Osipov9391 April 27 2021 03: 10
                      -2
                      Or maybe AWACS aircraft should have been created in 3 classes?
                      Heavy type A-100 based on Il-76 / Il-96;
                      Medium based on Tu-204;
                      Light type Yak-44 or An-71. The latter existed and is stored in Kiev. Although there were prototypes.
                      But it was possible to revive at least some project. The same An-71. But Ukraine ...
                      And since he is small, some equipment was developed for him even at that time. Now it was not bad to transfer to a modern element base. But the engines on it are also Ukrainian ...
                    5. bayard
                      bayard April 27 2021 04: 08
                      -1
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      Or maybe AWACS aircraft should have been created in 3 classes?
                      Heavy type A-100 based on Il-76 / Il-96;
                      Medium based on Tu-204;

                      Even the USSR did not aim at such a variety. It was planned to have up to 50 pieces. A-50 (built about 30 units) and from 50 to 100 lighter ones based on the Yak-44 or An-71. But it was OR - both of these aircraft were competitive - for the deck of the new nuclear aircraft carriers. The Yak-44 won (even though it didn’t have time to take off in hardware. But the trouble is that the radar complex and the entire complex of equipment for them did not have time to create ... Vega didn’t pull.)
                      Regarding the Tu-204 ... The fact is that the A-100 equipment has improved a lot, in comparison even with the A-50U, so it will fit into the Tu-214 glider as well as possible. In addition, having two engines, he spends half as much kerosene per flight. And the calculation there will be much more comfortable - after all, a passenger plane, not transport. It was rumored that due to the disruption in the supply of the Il-76MD90A, it was decided to build the A-100 on the basis of the Tu-214, of which there are also several dozen available (the airlines refused to operate them) ... But so far there are no more rumors on this topic is not.
                      And it is very disturbing.
                      Quote: Osipov9391
                      And since he is small, some equipment was developed for him even at that time. Now it was not bad to transfer to a modern element base. But the engines on it are also Ukrainian ...

                      Well, you see - there are no engines for it, and it itself is "Ukrainian" (it was not built in Russia), and the avionics for it never (!) Existed. So if you do a light / medium AWACS aircraft, it will be based solely on the very Yak-44. And it doesn't matter that it didn't take off then, you need to give the "guy" a second chance. Moreover, it will also be very useful for future aircraft carriers.
                      ... But we couldn't even rivet a huge A-100.!
                      Even in a single copy!
                      And over the past year, young (and not only) scientists went abroad 1,5 - 2 times more than in the worst years under Yeltsin, when there was a peak of the outflow of scientific brains.
                      We just have SOMEONE to do all this, because the "mustache of the Kremlin" does not see problems in brain flight.
                      So do not tear your heart, take care of your health, think about your loved ones and do not take too close to your heart what you cannot influence.
                      The Kremlin is not at all interested in real defenses.
                      For what has been accomplished over the past 10-15 years cannot be explained by any "incompetence", "mistakes" or "cunning plan".
                      This is a CLEAR position in life.
                      It's just that sometimes (very sometimes) the interests of these parasites coincide with the interests of the population they parasitize ... usually for a very short time.
                      But they are very cunning and resourceful - to breed suckers and chutzpas is their favorite game.
                    6. Osipov9391
                      Osipov9391 April 27 2021 12: 45
                      0
                      So the serial Tu-204/214 can be said not to be produced. 1-2 pieces a year and that's it. Only for SLO "Russia" they are mainly made. But there are a lot of resource Tu-204/214 belonging to airlines. They have not exploited them for a long time.
                      And pay attention to the planes of the radar patrol and control of Japan. What did they do there ...
                    7. bayard
                      bayard April 27 2021 16: 25
                      0
                      It was these unclaimed Tu-204 \ 214 that were planned to be used to create AWACS aircraft, PLO aircraft and reconnaissance aircraft of various configurations.
    3. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov April 27 2021 11: 01
      0
      You will go to the front line yourself. ??
      1. bayard
        bayard April 27 2021 15: 30
        +6
        I live on it - in Donetsk.
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 2 May 2021 04: 04
          0
          Such people have already been hammered in their brains I know what I'm talking about, I studied on Bose If a Donetsk resident, then in the course
  2. pytar
    pytar April 27 2021 12: 17
    0
    Stupidity. No nation will be formed there if liberation comes.

    I have no claim to "first instance". Trying to understand the situation. I communicate with people from both sides. The opinions are diametrically opposed. You may be right, but you were talking about the situation earlier. Impressions from communication with the majority of Ukrainians are now completely different. hi
    1. bayard
      bayard April 27 2021 15: 31
      +1
      Those who are waiting for release will not be sincere with you. Keep this in mind.
      There can be no other way in the occupation.
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 April 27 2021 15: 40
        -1
        And the number of the RF Ground Forces in 280 thousand bayonets is too small to carry out operations on several fronts such as the Kuriles, Armenia, Ukraine and Syria, for example?
        In reality, there are no 280 thousand, one and a half to two times less. Minus the newly drafted conscripts, minus the training and rear units.
        God grant that 150-170 thousand were. That is not enough for all the vast Russia? And Kaliningrad, and Belarus, if baked ...
        On this occasion, Defense Minister Ivanov said that the militarization of the country is not permissible. We do not need as many people and equipment in the army as in Soviet times.
        And this dogma was consistently carried out. 280 thousand ...
        1. bayard
          bayard April 27 2021 16: 20
          +4
          Yes 280 thousand. - the number of Land Forces.
          And another 350 thousand - Rosgvardia, which also regularly fights (including in Syria).
          And also from 150 to 200 thousand call for fees from the reserve.
          And also the so-called. PMCs - otherwise, who in Libya, Syria, Africa and Venezuela helps people?
          And also "Union of Donbass Volunteers" is a volunteer structure in Russia, which are ready to go to the rescue at the first "green whistle". And this will not be an amateur performance.
          And then there is the Cossacks, which have mobilized more than once in such situations.
          And then there are the LDNR corps, with a total number of about 35 thousand people. + mobreserve about the same number for several days.
          And of course - the mobilization of all those liable for military service, if the war really comes from all sides, as you painted.
          So that's enough for an operation in the former Ukraine. And other directions will not be left unattended.
          And also, after the introduction of troops for the de-occupation of Ukraine (liberation), many "Ukrainian" security officials and just Russian men will join our ranks. As you advance, the army will grow into local militias. The suppression and arrests of Nazi accomplices will be carried out mainly by the forces of local residents - they know them better and are just waiting for the moment for this.
          Lynching of local residents over the fascists in the localities is also possible, like the lynching of Odessa residents, after the flight of the Romanians and Germans before the entry into the city of the Soviet Army.
          And in May Iran should become a part of the Eurasian Union ... After an urgent application for membership.
          Well, there will also be help from Ramzan Kadyrov, in 2014 there was.
          So there will be enough strength.
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 April 27 2021 17: 56
            -2
            Well, who other than the Ground Forces has their own Air Defense? After all, how many combat helicopters are there in Europe? And how many attack drones will there be? Not to mention cruise missiles and tactical aircraft.
            If the war is with those who do not have aviation and other means of air attack, then yes. It's not needed. But if this is a really serious enemy, then our losses will be great.
            And no one will go for mobilization, at least for me. Here people live for 20 years on the same site or in neighboring houses and do not even greet each other, do not talk, do not know each other. And even if they say that they only use obscene language to remember the authorities and their salaries of 15 thousand rubles, thinking how to feed the children and pay for housing.
            Many don't care anymore. That's what they say. We no longer owe anything to anyone.
            But this did not happen 15 years ago, and 20 years ago this did not happen. And this has not happened before.
            But now the authorities have done their job. People have been really reformed. They already reject
            all sorts of changes, even useful ones.
          2. bayard
            bayard April 27 2021 19: 07
            +1
            Quote: Osipov9391
            Well, who other than the Ground Forces has their own Air Defense?

            This is what the military air defense will deal with. Covering pivot connections. As always .
            Quote: Osipov9391
            After all, how many combat helicopters are there in Europe?

            If it comes to a war with Europe, then it should be remembered that the best remedy for enemy aircraft (and helicopters as well) is to strike at their bases.
            Over-the-horizon radars will help locate them beyond the radio horizon line.
            Quote: Osipov9391
            But if this is a really serious enemy, then our losses will be great.

            Even small Vietnam broke off the wings of American hawks. We have more funds.
            Quote: Osipov9391
            And no one will go to mobilization, at least from me.

            You think too badly of people. When a coup took place in Ukraine, many also thought that people were being woken up, because no one believed the authorities, they didn’t care about politics, they were completely indifferent ... but it turned out quite the opposite, when so many people stood up.
            Themselves.
            No authorities. No leaders. No payment and preliminary organization.
            And rallies of many thousands in all cities were spontaneous, and the militia also emerged this way - they themselves found / chose their leaders / commanders and began resistance.
            In the Russian Federation, as I understand, there will be an organization.
            Quote: Osipov9391
            only obscenely remember the authorities and their salaries of 15 thousand rubles, thinking how to feed the children and pay for housing.

            In Ukraine, salaries were also very low (on average), including those of the Donbass miners.
            But they have been fighting for 7 years.
            Quote: Osipov9391
            Many don't care anymore. That's what they say. We no longer owe anything to anyone.

            But this is no longer a signal, but a verdict of the authorities.
          3. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 April 27 2021 23: 25
            0
            I agree with you that if people organize themselves, choose leaders themselves, then the result will be. And no one believes this power. Although she cleaned everything up, even the unions.
            What happens, Putin does not control anything in the country, but those who need to preserve this cult control?
            And don't forget about the Far East. There is a monstrous outflow of population. The government looks sane there today, but bring Chinese / Japanese aggression or even strong protests in Moscow, it is not known which side they will switch to. Moscow already has little control over the processes taking place there, including the theft of seafood, timber and other raw materials.
      2. Vladimir Kiev
        Vladimir Kiev April 28 2021 00: 20
        -3
        both Chechens cost about 14 thousand 200's from the Russian Federation? I'm not wrong? And tell me, ardent militarist, how much zinc will there be in this case? At both sides. And for what ??? And you are very much mistaken that they will be greeted with flowers, oh, how much. Why would even pro-Russian minded want this ??? Compare life in Kharkov and Donetsk.
      3. bayard
        bayard April 28 2021 01: 11
        +3
        How everything will happen, you will see for yourself.
        Quote: Vladimir Kiev
        both Chechens cost about 14 thousand 200's from the Russian Federation?

        And Bandera Krajina-U how much did these 7 years of war cost?
        The fact that you have our losses among the civilian population is not considered, it is understandable. But if you start again seriously, everything will be much worse for you.
        Much worse.
        But apparently this is your choice.
        Only not the people of New and Little Russia.
        Quote: Vladimir Kiev
        Compare life in Kharkov and Donetsk.

        Compare life in Kiev and Moscow. smile
        In Donetsk, battles have been going on for 7 years on the outskirts of the city, so this city is a frontline.
  • Igor Ushakov
    Igor Ushakov April 27 2021 18: 24
    +4
    Kharkov and Odessa were much more active
    I confirm. Our Anti-Maidan was at least one of the most powerful. During the processions from the chant "Russia!" the windows were shaking. And not all of them died on May XNUMX, most were saved by the good habit of spending May Day outdoors - on barbecue, fishing or in the country.
    Actually, the results of our local elections are quite indicative, the pro-Europeans are not gaining a majority (and this is in a trading city!), And the nationalists are flying like plywood over Paris in spite of the most powerful propaganda.
  • Oleg Buzuy
    Oleg Buzuy April 27 2021 07: 47
    -5
    Peter, absolutely true, agrees one hundred percent, "this population" has been sold with giblets to the west. But really, what can you get from these Muscovites?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 April 26 2021 17: 36
    +14
    Why did "they" manage to solve the problem in their favor of soldering the brains of this population in 6 years, but we cannot?

    Because - because our leadership has absolutely nothing to offer the Ukrainians .. Yes, in general, to anyone, even to our own population. Or do you seriously think that someone will fight in mortal combat for the sake of a shining prospect to change Akhmetov to Rotenberg ?? Both there and there are exactly the same bourgeoisie, so what's the difference who will rip you off?

    Before talking about unification, it is necessary to formulate some attractive project for all, giving people hope for a better future. And - what can our type of elite offer? Constantly increasing prices for everything? Poor people? All-out shit on our great past? Is the retirement age longer than the life expectancy? Destruction of all free social networks? Permanent khan on the throne with his nukers? Impudent well-fed hari such as servants of the people, rivet with bundles of idiotic laws and steal everything that is badly nailed? What else?

    No, gentlemen, only the revival of Soviet power is capable of carrying out such plans. Everything else is an empty shake of air.
    1. vladimych
      vladimych April 27 2021 22: 55
      0
      Paul, you're a ready-made policeman.
  • Overlock
    Overlock April 26 2021 19: 00
    -1
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Why did "they" manage to solve the problem in their favor of soldering the brains of this population in 6 years, but we cannot?

    Why couldn't we have done it in 30 years (since 1991), but they did it in 6 years (although in reality, much more)?
  • Andrey Grad
    Andrey Grad April 26 2021 13: 30
    +7
    This plan will no longer suit the Ukrainians themselves. If in 2014 they were waiting for us in the green areas, the seisas are already against it. Alas, time is irrevocably and ineptly wasted.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Who is against, Nazi propagandists on the Internet? Have you conducted polls?
    And this is not an argument, with the help of modern PR technologies, it is possible to expand public opinion by 180 * in a month, and back in a month.
    Nothing is lost.
    1. Alexga
      Alexga April 26 2021 13: 56
      +7
      Not everything is so simple. Right now, the situation in Belarus is agitating, it would seem that there should be information support. But you would have read what Yandex Zen writes on the local territory. One gets the impression that this is a branch of the State Department, and not Internet resources registered in the Russian Federation. This is how Ukraine was pumped in due time.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 21: 34
        -3
        Quote: AlexGa
        But you would have read what Yandex Zen writes on the local territory. One gets the impression that this is a branch of the State Department, and not Internet resources registered in the Russian Federation. This is how Ukraine was pumped in due time.

        Now the Pechenegs with the Polovtsy, now the newspapers. It's good when you can blame someone
        1. Alexga
          Alexga April 26 2021 22: 06
          +1
          Now the Pechenegs with the Polovtsy, now the newspapers. It's good when you can blame someone

          No, I'm talking about the fate of the Union State.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 26 2021 14: 10
      +1
      Who is against, Nazi propagandists on the Internet?
      And you will talk with people who have relatives in the Nikolaev, Odessa, Kharkov regions.
      1. Serge_
        Serge_ April 27 2021 22: 02
        +4
        I am from the capital of Ukraine. What can I tell you about the attitude of ordinary people towards Russia? There is a large percentage of people who treat Russians quite normally, despite the fact that they talk about Russian aggression on TV 24 hours a day. In our country, even the most stubborn ones understand that Russia is corny economically more powerful than Ukraine. They look with envy at the construction of roads and bridges in the Crimea.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 06: 39
          -1
          I spoke about reunification with Russia. In 2014, most of the population of these regions wanted to go to Russia, now this is not.
          1. Serge_
            Serge_ April 28 2021 09: 44
            -1
            Now people even in Kiev find it difficult to pay communal apartments, so any changes for the better will be welcomed by the masses. And given that neither Zelensky, nor the oligarchs nor the West are at all interested in improving the living conditions of ordinary people, people will not support such power. The West found itself in a bad and idiotic situation in Ukraine, it does not want to support the economy, and by and large it does not need people, only as cannon fodder in the war with Russia.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 09: 55
              0
              Quote: Serge_
              Now people even in Kiev find it difficult to pay a communal apartment,

              Believe it or not, in Russia as well. request
              1. Serge_
                Serge_ April 28 2021 10: 41
                0
                Do not compare Russia and Ukraine. In Kiev, the situation is many times worse. And this is the capital of Ukraine (in the regions the horror of what is happening). Now a lockdown, since March 20 in Kiev, many firms are closed. They are trying to sell something online, but recently the purchasing power of people is at a low level. And the communal apartment is growing. Heating this year will again rise in price by 30 percent. Everything is getting more expensive, but now it is a problem to make money.
    3. FRST
      FRST April 26 2021 14: 34
      -2
      Alas, lost. I often go there, mainly for the movement to the east, people older than 60, you rarely see a young man who is for Russia. Young people go to Europe to earn money, but it is not profitable to go to Russia, they cheat, they pay little.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 26 2021 22: 43
        +4
        Quote: FRST
        Young people go to Europe to earn money, but it is not profitable to go to Russia, they cheat, they pay little.

        Here's the owner of the raft ... more .. What will you go to work? You need to love your land, protect it and equip it.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day April 26 2021 21: 33
      -5
      Quote: Andrey Grad
      with the help of modern PR technologies, it is possible to expand public opinion by 180 * in a month

      in a country where 70% of the population think they are at war with Russia?
      1. Vladimir Kiev
        Vladimir Kiev April 28 2021 00: 27
        0
        Do you think when your territory is taken away - is it peace and harmony? The very topic of the article and the main idea is a call for a big war with the aim of overthrowing the state system of a neighboring country!
        Well, why be imbued with brotherly love after this? I'm wrong?
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette April 28 2021 07: 33
          -1
          Who took your territory away? .... The people who live there. Through a referendum.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal April 29 2021 11: 10
            -1
            This is decided only at an all-Ukrainian referendum. Which was not (and would not be satisfied, because a known result was needed).
            We also have, by the way. Chechnya could not itself hold a referendum on joining Turkey. Only all-Russian. And even if Turkey recognized him, it did not add legitimacy.
            1. Silhouette
              Silhouette April 29 2021 11: 17
              0
              Don't talk nonsense. That a referendum in Ukraine has decided at least once? He was invented so as not to decide anything. In their house, decisions are made by the people who live there, not the street on which the house is located.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal April 29 2021 11: 31
                0
                Don't talk nonsense

                Are the laws nonsense?
                That a referendum in Ukraine has decided at least once?
                He was invented so as not to decide anything.

                However, it was legal.
                You just justify the right of the strong.
                And why is the referendum invented here? It is difficult to organize it, by the way.
                not the street on which the house is located.

                But this does not apply to houses located on our street, right?
                Double standards negative
                1. Silhouette
                  Silhouette April 29 2021 12: 09
                  0
                  Quote: 3danimal
                  You just justify the right of the strong.

                  I justify the right of people to decide their fate after the illegal coup d'etat, which nullified the previously adopted laws and when Bandera came to power, their enemies.
                2. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 29 2021 12: 17
                  -1
                  which nullified previously adopted laws

                  Who decided this? President of a neighboring country? Or her main TV presenter on the state channel (you don't have to believe him)?
                  The president fled, but parliament (with the elected deputies remained). Acting was appointed. President, then held elections.
                  Lenin and company specifically issued a decree (after the coup in October 1917) abolishing the previous laws and courts.
                  Summing up: there was just a good moment to squeeze out the territory (which they considered their own). We tried to give the appearance of legality.
                  I am for objectivity.
                3. Silhouette
                  Silhouette April 29 2021 12: 23
                  +1
                  The president of the neighboring Russian country supported the desire of the Russians living in Crimea and ensured blood-freeness during its implementation. For which everyone is grateful to him. That's all.
                4. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 29 2021 12: 47
                  0
                  supported the desire of the Russians living in Crimea and ensured blood-freeness in its implementation. For which everyone is grateful to him.

                  Great, but you don't need to cover it all up with modern laws.
                  The ancient law is used - the right of the strong. In the 18-19th century, it was generally in the order of things.
          2. Silhouette
            Silhouette April 29 2021 13: 47
            +1
            Quote: 3danimal
            However, it was legal.

            Is a senseless law legal? Don't tell my slippers. Tomorrow they will adopt the law that you have to bang your head against the door in order to enter - will you obey it too? Or give your wife to your neighbor?
          3. 3danimal
            3danimal April 29 2021 14: 08
            0
            Demagogy.
            Who does not like the law prohibiting slavery - why not?
            What is it all about?
            Once again: in Russia, a region or republic in the same way can NOT leave the membership without a popular referendum. Bad law?
  • pytar
    pytar April 26 2021 12: 44
    0
    Will it suit everyone?

    Have you asked the Ukrainians? There are almost fifty million of them!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 26 2021 13: 00
      -5
      It only makes things worse. It is impossible to keep this education on the border. National interests. Strategic. Either let them change themselves, or they will begin to change by force. To kill so many civilians ... Fifty?))) Less and much.)
      1. pytar
        pytar April 26 2021 14: 03
        +3
        It is impossible to keep this education on the border. National interests. Strategic. Either let them change themselves, or they will begin to change by force. To kill so many civilians ... Fifty?))) Less and much.)

        In the XNUMXs, there was one mustache, and he spoke so, destroying tens of millions of "inferior" opinions of people by ego. It ended badly, but managed to do a lot of evil.
        I do not understand how in a country that destroys this evil and paid a monstrous price on it, there are individuals with the same thinking! belay
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        2. Aleksandr123
          Aleksandr123 April 27 2021 09: 41
          +2
          "As in a country that destroys this evil and paid a monstrous price on it, there are individuals with the same thinking!"
          Yes, just like in Ukraine there were adherents of the Nazi persuasion.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 27 2021 12: 19
            -2
            "As in a country destroying this evil and paying a monstrous price, there are individuals with the same thinking!" Yes, just like in Ukraine there were adherents of the Nazi persuasion.

            In fact, radicalization is taking place on both sides. This is the road to nowhere. All forum posts with such a bias exacerbate the situation and aggravate the impasse.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 14: 32
        -9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Or let them change themselves or they will begin to change by force

        Will you have enough strength? The USSR did not cope with the Banderaites, and there were relatively few of them. And tomorrow? 40-50% are ready to shoot and, obviously, in the back. What are you going to do about it? Concentration camps and yard executions arrange? On what grounds? Who gave you this right?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 26 2021 15: 06
          +5
          Don’t talk nonsense. By God, kindergarten. I'm not talking about military action. Force to change it to coerce. In every possible way. Power decisions are if they cross the line. Stop playing fraternal games and treats like a hostile state with a common border.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 19: 07
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I'm not talking about military action.

            и
            Quote: carstorm 11
            ...or they will begin to change by force.

            Quote: carstorm 11
            Force to change it to compel

            How are you going to coerce and why should they obey you? By what right? Because you are German? So what? Smarter, prettier, luckier?
            And then you have a choice: cudgel, submachine gun, machine gun? So after all, they also have these gizmos. Have you imagined yourself to be a god, the arbiter of other people's destinies - is there a mandate?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 26 2021 21: 03
            -4
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I'm not talking about military action. Force to change it to coerce. In every possible way.

            Which ones? Tell us! Will the Ukrainians like it? Otherwise, they can send you far, they are very quick to act there.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day April 26 2021 21: 36
            -3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Don’t talk nonsense. By God, kindergarten. I'm not talking about military action.

            Seriously? I think you just breathe war
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova April 26 2021 13: 31
      +2
      there are now no more than 30 million of them
      1. pytar
        pytar April 26 2021 14: 06
        -1
        there are now no more than 30 million of them

        Did you count it yourself? According to the 2019 census, 44,39 million with Ukrainian citizenship. Even if there were 30 million, how do you decide for them? request
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 26 2021 15: 08
          +6
          We decide for ourselves. You make the same mistake all the time. You think that we should worry about their troubles. Only the whole point is that we are worried about our own. Your security and your interests.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 26 2021 15: 33
            -2
            You make the same mistake all the time. You think that we should worry about their troubles.

            You make the same mistake all the time. You think you can decide for others.
            Only the whole point is that we are worried about our own. Your security and your interests.

            That's right, but you have your own problems in bulk! You don't understand that others have their own interests too. If you want the interests to converge, you have to work great at home first! Then others will reach out to you, they will take an example! hi
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 26 2021 16: 13
              +1
              I do not deny their interests. It's just that they personally don't bother me if mine suffer. Is that clearer? And let's not teach. We ourselves will figure out how to live. In this case, we have a hostile state that has taken it upon itself, do not understand anyone to such an extent that they are already trying to kidnap people from Russia. So it’s time to hit our hands. And very much.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 26 2021 17: 06
                -1
                I do not deny their interests. It's just that they personally don't bother me if mine suffer.

                Everyone's interests are more important. In this case: 1. a conflict in which the one who is more powerful is promoting his interests by force, or 2. a reasonable compromise taking into account other people's interests. It seems to me that the first variation has already been skipped. Today, Ukraine is not so weak, and Russia is not so strong, and there are few people in the world who will support the Russian Federation for such a thing.
                And let's not teach. We ourselves will figure out how to live.

                You are confusing the terms "teachings" and "friendly advice".
                In this case, we have a hostile state that has persecuted itself, do not understand who

                Have, in many ways creating it their own hands.
                So the time has come beat on the hands... And very much.

                We return to the previous passage and think ... yes
                If there is enough wisdom that has been lacking until now ...
          2. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 19: 13
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            We decide for ourselves.

            Incorrect, confused in the testimony
            Quote: carstorm 11
            It is impossible to keep this education on the border. Either let them change themselves, or they will begin to change by force.

            Quote: carstorm 11
            Stop playing fraternal games and treats it as a hostile state with a common border.

            Quote: carstorm 11
            So it’s time to hit our hands. And very much
            .
            Quote: carstorm 11
            For me, it’s necessary to start choking.

            You already decide for them, and they will decide for you.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 27 2021 01: 36
              0
              ha) well, good luck with this business)
        2. Achilles
          Achilles April 26 2021 20: 08
          +7
          Quote: pytar
          Did you count it yourself? According to the 2019 census, 44,39 million with Ukrainian citizenship. Even if there were 30 million, how do you decide for them?

          Do not mislead people, there has been no official census in Ukraine for a long time
          1. pytar
            pytar April 26 2021 20: 49
            -4
            Do not mislead people, there has been no official census in Ukraine for a long time

            I quote from the wiki, 44,39 million according to MB / 42 million Eurostat. Despite the difference in numbers, we are talking about tens of millions of people.
            1. Achilles
              Achilles April 26 2021 20: 53
              +5
              Quote: pytar
              I quote from the wiki, 44,39 million according to MB / 42 million Eurostat. Despite the difference in numbers, we are talking about tens of millions of people.

              I repeat once again, Ukraine has not officially conducted a population census for a long time, they are afraid, I have many friends who live in Ukraine and they say and I believe them
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 26 2021 21: 41
                -5
                Quote: Achilles
                Ukraine has not officially conducted a population census for a long time

                Russia also did not conduct a census for 10 years - we live, however

                Quote: Achilles
                I have many friends who live in Ukraine and they speak and I believe them

                Believe it! Your right. I believe my sources. People are there, live, raise children
                1. Achilles
                  Achilles April 26 2021 22: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Believe it! Your right. I believe my sources. People are there, live, raise children

                  The last census of the population of Ukraine was carried out in 2001, this is the official data
                  1. pytar
                    pytar April 27 2021 12: 32
                    0
                    The last census of the population of Ukraine was carried out in 2001, this is the official data

                    Consequently, the confirmation that there are 30 million left in Ukraine, or even less, have no confirmation! In such a case, the accounts of other institutions, such as those quoted in the Wiki / World Banks /, can be considered more or less reliable. In fact, the exact numbers are not that important. It is more important what the majority of Ukrainian citizens think. hi
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 26 2021 21: 40
            -9
            Quote: Achilles
            there has been no official census in Ukraine for a long time

            In your opinion, there are no people there at all. Robots go to the polls, to work
            1. Achilles
              Achilles April 26 2021 22: 36
              +5
              Quote: Silvestr
              In your opinion, there are no people there at all. Robots go to the polls, to work

              What makes you think that I decided so?
              I just corrected pytar which claimed that according to the 2019 census there were 44,39 million Ukrainians, and according to official data, the last census was in 2001 and this is a fact, and everything else is just an assumption
        3. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 21: 38
          -11%
          Quote: pytar
          how do you decide for them?

          This is called Great Russian chauvinism, they decide for Bulgarians, Belarusians, and Papuans. Solvers, in a word
          1. pytar
            pytar April 27 2021 12: 36
            0
            This is called Great Russian chauvinism, they decide for Bulgarians, Belarusians, and Papuans. Solvers, in a word

            And then they wonder why they look at them with surprise! Chauvinism always evokes antipathies!
          2. Maikcg
            Maikcg April 28 2021 02: 24
            0
            And Anglican messianism is different, you have to understand!
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        4. bayard
          bayard April 26 2021 22: 21
          +3
          Quote: pytar
          2019 census 44,39 million

          Don't read nonsense and propaganda. There, at the time of the coup, there were no longer 40 million, they were simply winding up the numbers so that the people would not panic - how much they were dying out and how many of them were left. There are now no more than 25 million of them in Krajina-U.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 27 2021 12: 38
            0
            Don't read nonsense and propaganda. There, at the time of the coup, there were no longer 40 million, they were simply winding up the numbers so that the people would not panic - how much they were dying out and how many of them were left. There are now no more than 25 million of them in Krajina-U.

            Excuse me, have you ever counted up to 25 million in your life? And how many Ukrainians were counted there? request
            1. bayard
              bayard April 27 2021 15: 48
              +2
              I know about the real results of the 2010 census (or a little earlier), when the census counted 35 million people.
              They were scared to voice this.
              They decided to add another + 2 million - supposedly those who were not found at home at the time of the census.
              All the same, 37 million turns out, against 52 million in 1991.
              Then they just added + 10 million to the amount of 47 million people. , and the rest, they say, "work abroad" ...
              This conversation took place in the population census commission. And everyone has known the real numbers for a long time.
              About 2,5 million people left together with Crimea.
              Before the war, 8 million people lived in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions (25% of the GDP only the Donetsk region gave), now the LDNR is home to about 3 - 3,5 million people. (and on their territory there are major agglomerations), the rest, in search of a better life, left for Russia, Europe ... someone went to Ukraine to visit their relatives ... According to realtors, Donetsk residents bought up half of the housing stock in Sevastopol.
              From Krajina-U itself, the people fled immediately since 2014 - from the war, from conscription, from unemployment and fascist terror.
              According to the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of this region, in reality no more than 24-25 million people live on this territory (a stub of the former Ukraine). Including seasonal workers on duty in Poland to wash toilets and pick apples.
              And at the time of the collapse of the USSR, 52 million people lived there.
        5. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova April 30 2021 14: 57
          +1
          They haven't had a census since 2000
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 14: 34
        -9
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        there are now no more than 30 million of them

        Let's say 50% is 15 million who are ready to secretly or openly fight. Your actions?
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova April 30 2021 14: 59
          +1
          Why 15 ???? From strength 1-2%
      3. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 21: 37
        -7
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        there are now no more than 30 million of them

        yes, even how much! We do not know how many live in Russia
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova April 30 2021 15: 00
          +1
          How many Ukrainians are there in Russia?
    3. Torins
      Torins April 26 2021 13: 43
      +2
      There are not so many of them.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock April 26 2021 19: 20
        +1
        Quote: Torins
        There are not so many of them.

        In the last Ukrainian elections, the turnout was 62,8% or 18.5 million people. If you want to say that those who did not come do not live in Ukraine, do those who ignore the same elections live in Russia?
        1. Torins
          Torins April 26 2021 21: 24
          +3
          Wikipedia has more or less adequate information about the number of people with Ukrainian citizenship. There are 50 million not even close.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 26 2021 21: 44
            -3
            Quote: Torins
            There are 50 million not even close.

            What difference does it make to you, how much is there? No matter how much it is, this is their country and they decide, choose, live, work, give birth, die
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis April 26 2021 22: 50
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              No matter how much it is, this is their country and they decide, choose, live, work, give birth, die

              This is not their country .. Svido power almost twenty million people destroyed, and you write nonsense here ...- "their decision to die or not!"
              1. FRST
                FRST April 27 2021 13: 01
                -4
                You are wrong, this is their country. If they do not burn with the desire to free themselves from SvidoVlast, then let them live for themselves. Wash on earth some Amerekans are more than enough to put things in order everywhere. By the way, if they go to war against Russia on Ukrainian territory, then go over to Russian, are they ready to die?
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis April 27 2021 13: 12
                  +1
                  I'm ready .. I'm ready to put your friends omerikantsiv in mother earth cheese! Are you ready to die Svidobandertsi and your dear friends Omerikantsi !? I’m sure you’ll get lost in Canada, if anyone has time.
                  1. FRST
                    FRST April 27 2021 13: 14
                    -5
                    How many times did the couch crumple, the hero, while he was writing a comment?

                    )))
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis April 27 2021 13: 18
                    0
                    Malyuk, do not spoil the air .. with your presence .. Go and wipe your snot! Or ask your mother .. Yes, do not forget to ask for a diaper change. Agu Agushenki .. Buy bye!
  • Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 26 2021 15: 09
    +3
    Quote: pytar
    Have you asked the Ukrainians?

    And the Russian Federation, as always, does not see ordinary Ukrainians at close range.
    I didn’t even think of such a simple idea that before the invasion it was necessary to seriously work with the public opinion of the population of those areas where the invasion was planned.
    Or does the General Staff of the Russian Federation think that Russian flags will be raised here again as in 2014? So those who raised the flags are gone for a long time. Some left, some died, and some were disappointed, looking at how the Russian Federation is diligently turning its ass towards the pro-Russian Ukrainians.

    Judging by the lack of any propaganda work in southeastern Ukraine, the Kremlin is strongly reluctant to solve the Ukrainian problem. She hopes that she will somehow "resolve" herself.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 26 2021 16: 10
      +1
      And the Russian Federation, as always, does not see ordinary Ukrainians at close range. I didn’t even think of such a simple idea that before the invasion it was necessary to seriously work with the public opinion of the population of those areas where the invasion was planned.

      Dear Vladimir hi As I understand from your words, Ross. did the government react in a minute, but has no long-term plans?
      It seems to me that in the given case, propaganda by itself, even if conducted more intensively, would not have helped. Because the best propaganda is an example of a prosperous country! A country in which citizens live well, there is order, the government is replaced and is accountable to the people not formally, but the law is respected ... An attractive reality is the best propaganda! Then I probably wouldn't have had to invade anywhere! What has been done from him in 20 years and why are we surprised?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 21: 45
        -3
        Quote: pytar
        Because the best propaganda is an example of a prosperous country! A country in which citizens live well, there is order, the government is replaced and is accountable to the people not formally, but the law is respected ...

        This is precisely what Russia cannot offer Ukraine. That is why there will be no movement towards each other.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 27 2021 12: 46
          -1
          This is precisely what Russia cannot offer Ukraine. That is why there will be no movement towards each other.

          That's the whole problem! Everything else is a consequence! good Therefore, you need to work on your internal problems, and not export them abroad! hi
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: Hlavaty
      And the Russian Federation, as always, does not see ordinary Ukrainians at close range.

      The authorities do not see the Russians point-blank, and you about the Ukrainians.
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 26 2021 22: 46
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    There are almost fifty million of them!

    Well if thirty million is left! Fifty million were under Soviet rule. Over the years of independence, about twenty million have disappeared, died, left, died and were not born new people ... And here you are babbling about the opinion of Ukrainians ... am
  • Gato
    Gato April 26 2021 12: 53
    +1
    Will it suit everyone?

    Of course not. You will also have to do something with the yellow area. This is the case when the recipe for eating an elephant in small pieces will not work.
  • Irbiz123
    Irbiz123 April 26 2021 13: 09
    +2
    There is too much left - there they even opened a piece of the Belarusians and handed it to the suckers - turn it over!
  • Torins
    Torins April 26 2021 13: 42
    +2
    What does Kiev have to do with Romania, and why not give the woodland to the Belarusians?
  • grindz
    grindz April 26 2021 14: 35
    +2
    What is it that you wrote off so many lands to Ukraine? Chernigov from the 16th century as part of the Muscovy. Only after the turmoil, he was for some time in the Speech pospolita. And Sumy was generally founded by order of the king.
  • Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 26 2021 14: 56
    -1
    But this yellow spot on the map will the West again pump up weapons, train saboteurs, etc.?
    Will this suit the RF?
    Is it worth starting to stop at this option?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel April 26 2021 16: 19
    +2
    Will it suit everyone?

    Do you propose to leave Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy to the banderlog? They will immediately cut out the entire Russian population ... This will definitely not suit everyone.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: The Truth
      They will immediately cut out the entire Russian population ...

      And what, for 7 years have not yet been cut out? Do not carry nonsense. Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine sent about 30 battalions to the ATO
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 26 2021 21: 29
    -2
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Will it suit everyone?

    The main thing is that Zhirinovsky is satisfied. But seriously, your card is not serious
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette April 28 2021 07: 34
      -2
      So what is the frivolity of the card?
  • Maikcg
    Maikcg April 28 2021 02: 11
    -1
    Carthage must be destroyed.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 26 2021 12: 19
    +14
    Quote: rocket757
    Is there a good option? Or is one worse than the other?

    There are no options, it won't get better.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 26 2021 12: 44
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      There are no options, it won't get better.

      stop And, if you imagine a set of words: “will not”, “options”, “better”, “no”, “already”, “worse”, “disgusting”, “alternatives” ... Then you can very much pick up something ... laughing
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 April 26 2021 13: 14
      +3
      It will not become ... systematic actions are needed.
      Another question, who will be able to do this ???
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 14: 36
        -3
        Quote: rocket757
        we need systematic actions.
        Another question, who will be able to do this ???

        Whom do you see? - None.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 26 2021 14: 47
          +1
          We do not know everything, but judging by what is in sight ... no one in any way.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 April 26 2021 17: 42
        -2
        who can do it ???

        Only Soviet power. Before you go to others - you need to put things in order at home .. There will be a red flag over the Kremlin again - there will be a global idea for a new association. In the meantime, who the fuck needs us with our thief at the top?
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis April 26 2021 22: 53
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          There will be a red flag over the Kremlin again -

          lol For the red flag over the white house!
    3. Gato
      Gato April 26 2021 13: 19
      0
      There are no options, it won't get better.

      hi
      You are not dynamic today. laughing I also have this condition sometimes on Mondays, but by lunchtime it usually goes away drinks
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 26 2021 12: 22
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    Is there a good option? Or is one worse than the other?

    Yeah...
    Especially surprised
    To do this, Russia, by military or diplomatic means, must put the United States in such conditions in which they would not have the opportunity to refuse ...

    Probably Deripaska can tell a lot about the methods of "pressure" on the United States ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 26 2021 13: 16
      +2
      Wanting is not harmful, but sometimes it is fraught ...
      You can argue a lot, but the matter, from that, will not budge.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 19: 24
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      Probably Deripaska can tell a lot about the methods of "pressure" on the United States ...

      The method is simple, at your choice: prison with deprivation of everything or freedom, but under control
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 26 2021 20: 05
        +1
        And most importantly, there is a choice ...
        Quote: Overlock
        ... prison with deprivation of everything or freedom, but under control
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk April 26 2021 12: 26
    +7
    Quote: rocket757
    Which option will the Russian leadership choose?
    Is there a good option? Or is one worse than the other?

    Unfortunately, so far one is worse than the other. But if you still play for time, then this Svidomo tangle of problems will only wind up more and more layers and their solution will be more and more difficult and expensive.
    It's like with gangrene, you waste time - more and more will be cut off, up to death.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 26 2021 13: 18
      +2
      What they didn’t do ... it’s useless to talk about it, you need to build a further action plan.
      Interesno, do we have those who know how to look around the corner and somewhat ahead?
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 April 26 2021 12: 26
    +1
    This is quite common. Just put the question differently. What is more profitable and important for US. You need to decide only from the point of view of your interests. For me, it’s necessary to start choking. In all directions. Literally. Close the chatter about the fraternal people. Pragmatism and that's it. In all matters, without looking back at the past.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 26 2021 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Pragmatism and that's it. In all matters, without looking back at the past.

      The one who spits on his past falls into his own future.

      It's time to just think about the material costs and the principle of maintenance. In nature, artificially derived forms very rarely take root. It is high time to close some questions of economic relations as not meeting the public interest.
      Even a gas pipe going to Ukraine (through it) can be completely disposed of, as it has exhausted its resource and is in an emergency condition.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 26 2021 13: 39
        +1
        And who says to spit? Just don't live it. This is the path to the pit.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 27
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Just don't live it.

          It's not up to you to decide
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 26 2021 14: 38
      -4
      Quote: carstorm 11
      For me, it’s necessary to start choking.

      First you, then you. There is no doubt about it. It is clear that the explosives will not make it to Khabarovsk, but to the Urals?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 26 2021 15: 00
        -5
        I have been living for half a year not in Khabarovsk, but next to my eldest daughter) this is the job. Khabarovsk-Moscow and back more than 10 times a year) I am also worried about this. It is not necessary to choke it in a military way
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 21: 04
          -4
          Quote: carstorm 11
          It is not necessary to choke it in a military way

          With a kiss laughing
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 26 2021 12: 26
    +6
    Quote: rocket757
    Is there a good option? Or is one worse than the other?

    Stop containing her. And then trains with coal from the LPNR against the background of incessant shelling look like something ridiculous.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 26 2021 13: 32
      0
      Such is the reality that business is such a "sacred cow" that not everyone can encroach on it ....
      There are other reasons, though.
      In general, as always, "the giraffe is big and he thought it up there, above, we can't see from below."
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 26 2021 13: 24
    +5
    What to do with Ukraine?

    On a good level, responsible politicians should have had such a question 30 years ago ... the smart ones, at least 20 years ago .. Now, we need to ask the question, what about Russia ... how can we equip our house, how to get rid of Gauleiters and oligarchs who suck the last blood out of the population .. As soon as we establish life in our own home, it is fashionable to raise the question of Ukraine.
    Well, as for me, in 2014 there was a great opportunity to resolve issues, if not all, then many. Parallel and put things in order in your own house.
    1. prior
      prior April 26 2021 16: 23
      +4
      I agree with you.
      If Russia resolves its internal issues, the Ukrainian ones will not have to be solved, they will decide themselves.
      Then the Ukrainians will quickly remember that they are actually Russians, and not European and American servants.
  • Andrey Grad
    Andrey Grad April 26 2021 13: 43
    -5
    Reformat the territory, South, center and East - Novo MaloRussia, and add the west to Belarus, let the Old Man put things in order there :)
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Grad
      and add the west to Belarus, let the Old Man put things in order there :)

      What about the union state? Are there any successes? laughing
  • iouris
    iouris April 26 2021 14: 44
    +4
    Quote: rocket757
    Is there a good option?

    All options ended in 1991.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 26 2021 14: 50
      0
      If you don't try, you won't know ... you can't make it worse, in any case.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 April 26 2021 16: 18
        0
        In 2015, most of Ukraine would be happy to reunite with Russia by chasing away the Lvov gang. And now there will be no more than 25% of them. Time is lost. The Russian world was exchanged for Swiss diplomats, I am afraid that these diplomats have remained a domocles sword to this day. I must admit -Ukraine is lost and most likely forever.
  • Vend
    Vend April 26 2021 16: 46
    0
    Who will take Ukraine, will take its debts. The West does not need this, and Russia, by and large, does not either. The only option is to divide Ukraine and write off debts.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 26 2021 18: 24
      0
      There is logic in this (in the section), but no one will go for it because it will destroy the world order created as a result of the Second World War (the Helsinki agreements) and create a precedent for reformatting the world map of states.
      1. Vend
        Vend April 27 2021 10: 49
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        There is logic in this (in the section), but no one will go for it because it will destroy the world order created as a result of the Second World War (the Helsinki agreements) and create a precedent for reformatting the world map of states.

        Come on, Yugoslavia was divided.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 19: 29
      +2
      Quote: Wend
      The only option is to divide Ukraine and write off debts.

      How Czechoslovakia will fail and no one can write off debts
      1. Vend
        Vend April 27 2021 10: 49
        0
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: Wend
        The only option is to divide Ukraine and write off debts.

        How Czechoslovakia will fail and no one can write off debts

        Well, they will be divided like Yugoslavia.
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan April 26 2021 12: 07
    +10
    Apukhtin is not aware that Bendery and Bandera are different words with different content.
    The city of Bender in the Transnistrian Republic and Stepan Bandera are not the same thing. The author does not understand what he is writing about.
  • Overlock
    Overlock April 26 2021 12: 07
    +1
    And there is no answer to this question! Zutswang!
    1. Semyonich from the Urals
      Semyonich from the Urals April 26 2021 12: 27
      +1
      What I was talking about ..
      There are no good paths since Putin's 14-year-old decisions
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 26 2021 12: 28
      -5
      The most lousy thing to stick with a stick in the den. 404 stumbled across. It's a pity for me these years have been trying to speak humanly. For a long time it was necessary to bend the presumptuous mongrels.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 26 2021 13: 16
        +2
        the experiment with the creation of a neo-Nazi and Russophobic state on this territory must be completed
        From the age of 14 it was necessary to start!
  • GoraN
    GoraN April 26 2021 12: 10
    -4
    Option one to take all Russian-speaking cities and let the rest bring them to their own Europe
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 12: 11
      +7
      Quote: GoraN
      Option one to take all Russian-speaking cities and let the rest bring them to their own Europe

      Decipher the word pick up and tell us what are you planning to do with 50-60% of the population who does not love you?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 26 2021 12: 23
        0
        Quote: Overlock
        Decipher the word take away and tell us what you plan to do with 50-60% of the population who does not love you?

        This issue should be resolved by the residents of Ukraine themselves, regardless of the percentage.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. April 26 2021 12: 52
          -2
          Residents of Ukraine under the rule of the Nazis Bandera, any disagreement with the Nazis is severely punished by them.
          1. FRST
            FRST April 26 2021 14: 44
            -3
            There is nothing like that))))
            Everyone speaks Russian calmly, sings Russian songs, but they don't want to go to Russia at all.
            According to my deep convictions, they do not like us Russians, but our power is irreplaceable. I speak for young people, up to 50 years old. They have no Russophobia.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 18: 54
            +3
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Residents of Ukraine under the rule of the Nazis Bandera, any disagreement with the Nazis is severely punished by them.

            Those. do they want the presidential elections at gunpoint? Zelensky put a gun to the head of every Ukrainian and they gave Poroshenko a ride?
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 05
              -2
              Yes, and Olesya Buzina was shot in the middle of the street.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock April 27 2021 09: 34
                +3
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                Yes, and Olesya Buzina was shot in the middle of the street.

                And we have Budanov shot and who! Your partners! Why don't you tear the hair on your head?
        2. Gato
          Gato April 26 2021 13: 16
          -1
          This issue should be resolved by the residents of Ukraine themselves, regardless of the percentage.

          Well, the residents of Ukraine from Donetsk and Lugansk have decided. AND? What would they have done without outside help?
          1. GoraN
            GoraN April 26 2021 18: 46
            -4
            It was right here that Mr. Pu stsykanul should have been like with the Crimea
          2. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 19: 33
            +5
            Quote: Gato
            Well, the residents of Ukraine from Donetsk and Lugansk decided.

            Judging by the number of Russian passports received, have not yet decided
            Now the second question is, what do the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions controlled by Kiev think and want?
        3. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 14: 39
          -5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          This issue should be resolved by the residents of Ukraine themselves, regardless of the percentage.

          hi hi
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 26 2021 12: 25
        +6
        Quote: Overlock
        Decipher the word take away and tell us what you plan to do with 50-60% of the population who does not love you?

        Calm down? First you need to put things in order in your own house, in which even the Russian population becomes outcasts. Why do we need a voluntary-compulsory independent backpack?
        People are drawn to the good life. A place where they have a peaceful sky, a roof and a job that ensures a decent life over their heads. Is there such a thing in Russia? Now, when it appears in its full-fledged version, then there will be no need to invite anyone and you will not have to pick up anyone.
        1. Semyonich from the Urals
          Semyonich from the Urals April 26 2021 12: 28
          -4
          Golden words
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 April 26 2021 12: 47
          -8
          This is the only real option !!
          Not what the author suggests ..

          Only here are few people interested in keeping order in their home .. boring and not profitable ..
          It's much more fun to make "multi-moves".
          Kicking, dodging, catching at a meeting - there are always more people willing than waving a broom.
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 26 2021 13: 06
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          First you need to put things in order in your own house, in which even the Russian population becomes outcasts. Why do we need a voluntary-compulsory independent backpack?

          Comrade, we are forced to believe that we are not one and the same people. Who can clearly explain how a resident of a Belgorod village differs from a similar inhabitant of a village in the Kharkiv region?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 26 2021 13: 12
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            Who can clearly explain what is the difference between a resident Belgorod village from the same inhabitant of the village of the Kharkiv region?

            At least the forms of documents and the presence of hryvnia or rubles ... request
            In theory, ordinary mortals of the entire planet differ little from each other in the conditions of existence. But there is statehood and borders. While this divides people into "us", "those" and "these" ...
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 April 26 2021 13: 23
              -4
              But there is statehood and borders. While this divides people into "us", "those" and "these" ...


              Well, along the borders, we seem to be with some Chechens / Dagestanis "us", and with Kharkov collective farmers "those" ..
              But in fact, just the opposite ..))
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx April 26 2021 13: 24
                0
                Quote: Roman070280
                Well, along the borders, we seem to be with some Chechens / Dagestanis "us", and with Kharkov collective farmers "those" ..
                But in fact, just the opposite ..))

                I will not deny ... More than ... yes
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 26 2021 13: 25
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              At least the forms of documents and the presence of hryvnia or rubles ...

              Well, yes, pure formality, then it turns into the main thing - to divide!
              All the first hryvnias were printed in Canada, like ebna's book "Confession on a given topic."
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx April 26 2021 13: 33
                -2
                Quote: Stroporez
                I will not stop repeating, the national theme was deliberately thrown in and now they will enjoy it, like the conventional Ivanov, will look at the conventional Petrov through the crosshair.

                And my example is much more prosaic: hunting dogs and hares also have no special claims to each other either in terms of feeding or in terms of habitat ...
                It seems to me that people are beginning to understand the true background of national conflicts. But there is a famous biblical story about the Tower of Babel. That is why I was always annoyed by the mild interpretation of the state language regulation.
        4. Svarog
          Svarog April 26 2021 13: 19
          +2
          First you need to put things in order in your own house, in which even the Russian population becomes outcasts. Why do we need a voluntary-compulsory independent backpack?
          People are drawn to the good life. A place where they have a peaceful sky, a roof and a job that ensures a decent life over their heads. Is there such a thing in Russia? Now, when it appears in its full-fledged version, then there will be no need to invite anyone and you will not have to pick up anyone.

          This is where you need to start. hi
        5. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 14: 40
          -5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          First you need to put things in order in your own house, in which even the Russian population becomes outcasts.

          hi
      3. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 26 2021 12: 29
        -2
        10 percent is the maximum of a non-loving population, the rest is like a weather vane.
        Lustration and active squeezing of Ukrainian Nazis to Canada, Galicia, Europe.
        1. Andrey Grad
          Andrey Grad April 26 2021 13: 07
          0
          I fully support, imprison the Nazis, ban the Nazi ideology, close the Mrykan embassy and next year in Kiev there will be the largest parade on May 9.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Grad
            I fully support, imprison the Nazis, ban the Nazi ideology, close the Mrykan embassy and next year in Kiev there will be the largest parade on May 9.

            Put things in order at home, don’t drape the Mausoleum, carry Stalin’s portrait, don’t rewrite history - you need so little
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 14: 41
          -5
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          10 percent is the maximum of a non-loving population, the rest is like a weather vane.
          Lustration and active squeezing of Ukrainian Nazis to Canada, Galicia, Europe.

          Does Hitler's cap press?
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 07
            0
            You have a little bit of imagination.
        3. FRST
          FRST April 26 2021 14: 48
          -2
          Lech, you are definitely from an android, not from Andromeda? From a parallel reality you are stuff.
        4. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 36
          -1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Lustration and active squeezing of Ukrainian Nazis to Canada, Galicia, Europe.

          Horror! Thank God no one will allow you to do this. According to the latest polls, 50% of Ukrainians are ready to fight, squeeze out!
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 08
            -3
            In the Baltics they did it with the Russians.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 27 2021 09: 33
              +4
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              In the Baltics they did it with the Russians.

              And how many Russians left for Russia? Figures! -No one! Do you think terpily live there?
              1. Andrey Grad
                Andrey Grad April 27 2021 10: 08
                0
                We have from the Baltic states to Russia and today Russian people are leaving. And those who are disenchanted with Moscow's betrayal leave for the west. And about enduring you tell those Russian activists that now they are sitting in the cellars of the Baltic Gestapo, some of them with Russian passports.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock April 27 2021 11: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: Andrey Grad
                  And about enduring, you tell those Russian activists that now they are sitting in the cellars of the Baltic Gestapo, some of them with Russian passports.

                  The question is: where is Lavrov and his "not abandoning ours"?
      4. Gato
        Gato April 26 2021 12: 58
        +5
        what do you plan to do with 50-60% of the population that does not love you?

        90% of children in kindergarten do not like semolina. But they do eat.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 14: 41
          -4
          Quote: Gato
          90% of children in kindergarten do not like semolina.

          They don't know how to shoot
        2. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 38
          +3
          Quote: Gato
          90% of children in kindergarten do not like semolina. But they do eat.

          Judging by the statements, you are still in kindergarten
          1. Gato
            Gato April 26 2021 20: 24
            0
            Judging by the statements, you are still in kindergarten

            Judging by your level of argumentation - we are with you on neighboring pots
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 27 2021 09: 21
              +1
              Quote: Gato
              Judging by your level of argumentation - we are with you on neighboring pots

              Quote: Gato
              90% of children in kindergarten do not like semolina. But they do eat.

              Quote: Silvestr
              They don't know how to shoot

              Not on pots - on different planets!
        3. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 09
          -1
          Bandera tell them there how they sat in the caches.
      5. Irbiz123
        Irbiz123 April 26 2021 13: 14
        -5
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: GoraN
        Option one to take all Russian-speaking cities and let the rest bring them to their own Europe

        Decipher the word pick up and tell us what are you planning to do with 50-60% of the population who does not love you?


        Exactly as with the Crimea: if you want to be in the Russian Federation - stay, no - in Ukraine, the Americans did not seize all the land.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 14: 42
          -3
          Quote: Irbiz123
          Exactly as with the Crimea: if you want to be in the Russian Federation - stay, no - in Ukraine, not all the earth is Americans

          Can you cite sociology on Crimea and mainland Ukraine on this issue?
      6. GoraN
        GoraN April 26 2021 18: 43
        -4
        Send to Siberia
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 39
          +3
          Quote: GoraN
          Send to Siberia

          You?
  • tatra
    tatra April 26 2021 12: 12
    +4
    First, especially after the destruction of the USSR, the enemies of the communists in the West, in Europe, on the territory of the USSR, proved that anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia, that they will hate any Russia and the Russian people, with any power and any social system.
    Secondly, the enemies of the communists "liberated" by Gorbachev proved that they can only be FORCED to exist calmly and peacefully, without instilling anger and hatred by them, without unleashing wars, without committing coups and crimes.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 26 2021 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia

      I've always said that! Irina hi
  • Killemall
    Killemall April 26 2021 12: 13
    +1
    yes ... there can be no lyrics in security matters. if a neighboring state becomes a platform for aggression against your country. if no arguments of reason are perceived in Ukraine. if propaganda escalates hatred of Russians and Russians ... a sanitation must be carried out on such a territory. it is a matter of our survival. and no ethical or unethical.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 26 2021 14: 44
      -5
      Quote: KilleMall
      reorganization must be carried out.

      And the surgeon is drunk and doesn't know how to operate. Begin ...
      1. Killemall
        Killemall April 26 2021 14: 48
        +1
        And the surgeon is drunk and doesn't know how to operate. Begin ...

        Have you noticed that this phrase does not make any sense?
        test entry to trolling ... laughing not interested... hi
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 26 2021 21: 05
          -2
          Quote: KilleMall
          Have you noticed that this phrase does not make any sense?

          The meaning is: the surgeon performs sanitation of the purulent focus in the patient's body. The operation is so called
  • mark1
    mark1 April 26 2021 12: 18
    -4
    Everyone who wants to join us, the rest - to federalize and only federalize. And neither to any Poland, nor any Hungary, or anything to give.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 26 2021 14: 46
      -2
      Quote: mark1
      Everyone who wants to join us, the rest - to federalize and only federalize. And neither to any Poland, nor any Hungary, or anything to give.

      What can you say to China's proposal to change the state structure of Russia? Or Japan? Why should you decide for the Ukrainians? It is possible that then someone will start to decide for you. Precedent created
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 26 2021 15: 15
        -1
        Do you know why you divided Poland? Three times already?
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 44
          +2
          Quote: mark1
          Do you know why you divided Poland? Three times already?

          And as a result, Russophobic Poland. Excellent result!
          1. mark1
            mark1 April 26 2021 19: 55
            +1
            Interesting, huh? - Poland is Russophobic but not Germanophobic or Austrophobic or Hungarian or Chekhophobic. Because we kissed them "under the tail" and there we just mucked until they turned blue.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 26 2021 20: 21
              +4
              Quote: mark1
              Interesting, huh? - Russophobic Poland

              Do you feel better?
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 11
        -1
        The Americans have already decided everything for you ... don't worry.
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 26 2021 12: 21
    0
    To mark the APU, it's not a question of how to further cleanse the territory from saboteurs, that's where the difficulty lies.
  • Silhouette
    Silhouette April 26 2021 12: 23
    -3
    Ukraine should not exist. It simply has no right to exist, as it will pose a constant threat to Russia. Not to her interests, but to herself. Better a horrible end than endless horror. Moreover, the situation will deteriorate all the time. The sooner it is done away with, the better. And first of all for the Ukrainians themselves. While Ukraine is still alive, one can expect only a blow in the back. The Crimea problem will disappear by itself. With her, the problems of Transnistria and Donbass will sink into oblivion. There will be no problem with NATO bases in the Black and Azov Seas.
    1. Semyonich from the Urals
      Semyonich from the Urals April 26 2021 12: 26
      -2
      It’s as if I’m reading the speech of some German leader in the second half of the 1930s ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 26 2021 12: 34
        +6
        Do you want to hear something normal about a country in which there are streets named after Bandera ?! Seriously? Want it softer?
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 April 26 2021 12: 49
          -12%
          a country that has streets named after Bandera

          In one country, the streets named after Bandera .. in another, fascist slogans about the destruction of this country ..
          Nuuu .. brotherly peoples are worthy of each other ..))
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 26 2021 12: 56
            +5
            These are national interests. The destruction of the state is not the destruction of people. And not necessarily a war. In 14 year, for a modest 5 yards, the country was already destroyed and a walk-field was created in its place.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 April 26 2021 13: 14
              -11%
              These are national interests.

              Well, they also have their own national interests ..
              And America has its own ..
              The destruction of the state is not the destruction of people.
              I don’t remember such examples in history ..))

              In 14 year, for a modest 5 yards, the country was already destroyed and a walk-field was created in its place.
              Just - since the age of 14, a lot of people have been put in ... from all sides .. But the country still exists ..
              Otherwise, the person would not have written "Ukraine should not exist. It simply has no right to exist,"
              1. Overlock
                Overlock April 26 2021 19: 47
                +3
                Quote: Roman070280
                The destruction of the state is not the destruction of people.
                I don’t remember such examples in history ..))

                Comrade glitches, chauvinism goes off scale, outraged mind boils - please
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 April 27 2021 01: 41
                  -4
                  chauvinism has nothing to do with it. Objective reality. Just like the mind is not boiling) I formed my attitude towards this country after Che, and I consider everything that has happened since the age of 14 to be karma
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock April 27 2021 09: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    chauvinism has nothing to do with it.

                    And what's that?!
                    Quote: Overlock
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    It is impossible to keep this education on the border. Either let them change themselves, or they will begin to change by force.

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Stop playing fraternal games and treats it as a hostile state with a common border.

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    So it’s time to hit our hands. And very much
                    .
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    For me, it’s necessary to start choking.

                    "The chauvinist wants other peoples to merge with his people, having lost their national physiognomy." N. Trubetskoy, "Europe and Humanity".
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx April 26 2021 13: 15
              +4
              Quote: carstorm 11
              The destruction of the state is not the destruction of people.

              yes The destruction of statehood is not ... The USSR was treacherously destroyed, but we remained.
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            4. New Year day
              New Year day April 26 2021 21: 52
              -6
              Quote: carstorm 11
              These are national interests.

              The national interests of the country are to create a law-governed state with an adequate standard of living of the population, affordable medical care and education.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 13
                0
                You have no nat. interests .... only hatred of Russia.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day April 27 2021 13: 01
                  -4
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  You have no nat. interests .... only hatred of Russia

                  Examples in the studio, balabol! Love for the Motherland is not love for power. You have a knee-down posture, which you are proud of
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 April 27 2021 01: 43
                -2
                let's not confuse domestic and foreign policy. According to your policy, I must repent in front of everyone, only I would rather die of hunger than I do.
          2. Silhouette
            Silhouette April 26 2021 14: 42
            +1
            Quote: Roman070280
            fascist slogans about the destruction of this country ..

            I just want to say: Z glustu zyikhav, chi sho? .... Not to destroy the country, but the fascist state of the neobanderites. Make three from one country. This is called development.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 April 26 2021 14: 53
              -9
              And you don't want to destroy Poland ??) Together with the Baltic states .. are not there fascist states ??)
              And maybe America at the same time ?? They are all enemies for us ..))
              Some frivolous conversations .. Some offer to fire rockets .. others to destroy .. As if you can press a button and selectively kill all unwanted ones, leaving the "good" ones alive ..
              At the same time, having managed to carry out a gradation, where some are separated from the others.

              I just want to say: Z glustu zyikhav, chi sho?
              Apparently, you understand what you are writing .. I don’t ..))
              1. Overlock
                Overlock April 26 2021 19: 49
                +1
                Quote: Roman070280
                And you don't want to destroy Poland ??) Together with the Baltic states .. are not there fascist states ??)
                And maybe America at the same time ?? They are all enemies for us ..))

                Do not disturb the militant pseudo-patriots, let them dream.
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 April 27 2021 01: 46
                -5
                It is necessary to fire for any attempts to harm the security of our country. Or do you think that let people, for example, be kidnapped from the Russian Federation? Are they shooting civilians? Their 7 litters asked not to do this. Did it help a lot?
              3. Silhouette
                Silhouette April 27 2021 10: 16
                0
                Nobody destroyed Germany. It still exists to this day as far as I know. Destroyed the fascist state. It just needs to be understood.
            2. Overlock
              Overlock April 26 2021 19: 48
              +3
              Quote: Silhouette
              This is called development.

              This is called schizophrenia.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 14
                0
                Banderites climbed out, blow on your Censor.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock April 27 2021 09: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Banderites climbed out, blow on your Censor.

                  one gyrus and that straight?
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 26 2021 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Do you want to hear something normal about a country in which there are streets named after Bandera ?! Seriously? Want it softer?

          Do you want to hear about the country where the mannerheim board of honor is hung?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 26 2021 13: 35
            +1
            You somehow sharply decided to omit that moment that came after. The society corrected the error. Have you heard that in 404 society would go on strike against these streets and achieve results?
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 26 2021 19: 54
              +1
              Quote: carstorm 11
              You somehow sharply decided to omit that moment that came after. The society corrected the error.

              Have you fixed it? What is your personal involvement in this? The residents of St. Petersburg have fixed it.
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Have you heard that in 404 society would go on strike against these streets and achieve results?

              Or maybe they don't care about these names and their purpose is different? What did you personally do against it?


              Note that those who stand under the board from Putin's cage and they did not get anything for it!
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 April 27 2021 01: 48
                0
                I said society. Don't you understand this word? Petersburgers are Russians. I do not separate myself from them.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock April 27 2021 09: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I said society. Don't you understand this word? Petersburgers are Russians. I do not separate myself from them.

                  Okay to you! Society is both Putin and Navalny (conditional). No need to cook porridge!
          2. Woodman
            Woodman April 26 2021 16: 13
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            where is the mannerheim board of honor hung up?

            Is it still hanging?
        3. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Do you want to hear something normal about a country in which there are streets named after Bandera ?!

          This is THEIR country, not yours!
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 15
            0
            This is not their country ... it was taken over by the Nazis.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 27 2021 09: 17
              +4
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              This is not their country ... it was taken over by the Nazis.

              In any case, this is not your country and they must solve their problems themselves. And about the Nazis, how did a Jew become president of the Nazis? How, under the Nazis, practically all power belongs to the Jews?
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 27 2021 01: 50
            -4
            Seriously?) I have a Ukrainian wife, for example. As for them, I will repeat it to you, for God's sake. Only after that, why be indignant then? It is their choice and the consequences of it are also THEIR choice.
      2. pytar
        pytar April 26 2021 12: 42
        0
        One to one! belay Wild, but true! An unimaginable thing happened - an individual appeared in Russia with thinking, like the figure you mentioned ... sad
      3. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 26 2021 13: 50
        +5
        Quote: Semyonich from the Urals
        It’s as if I’m reading the speech of some German leader in the second half of the 1930s ..


        Imagine the situation ... in Mexico, anti-American forces come to power and build an anti-American state (anti-American ideology, training of militants to strike on US territory, a military threat, etc.), what do you think ... how long is such a state will exist? Considering the example of Iraq. those. when issues concern national security, international law and morality fades into the background, this will be confirmed by Israel and Turkey (which is at war with the Kurds) and many other states that face this dilemma. Therefore, your example is incorrect ...
      4. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 26 2021 14: 49
        +4
        Quote: Semyonich from the Urals
        It’s as if I’m reading the speech of some German leader in the second half of the 1930s ..

        Have you read many such figures, are you literate? .... Then you should know that you cannot find a more fascist state than Ukraine now.
    2. Alex_You
      Alex_You April 26 2021 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: Silhouette
      Ukraine should not exist. It simply has no right to exist, as it will pose a constant threat to Russia. Not to her interests, but to herself. Better a horrible end than endless horror. Moreover, the situation will deteriorate all the time. The sooner it is done away with, the better. And first of all for the Ukrainians themselves. While Ukraine is still alive, one can expect only a blow in the back. The Crimea problem will disappear by itself. With her, the problems of Transnistria and Donbass will sink into oblivion. There will be no problem with NATO bases in the Black and Azov Seas.

      No ho-ho, how many lives of Russian guys are you willing to sacrifice? 1000, 10000? It's good that the Kremlin is smarter than yours.
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 26 2021 14: 52
        0
        And how many lives were lost during the capture of Crimea? The APU will not fight, and the Nazis must be destroyed in any case. They are not needed alive. Their combat capability is low. These are punishers, not pros.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 26 2021 19: 55
          +3
          Quote: Silhouette
          And how many lives were lost during the capture of Crimea?

          Do not equate a carrot with a reproductive organ! After Crimea, the Ukrainian nation was formed. By the way, the wife of a Ukrainian officer killed in Novofedorovka went to the ATO as a sniper. How will the children and fathers of the Ukrainians killed in the ATO act? Will they bring you some bread?
          Quote: Silhouette
          APU will not fight

          Did they call you?
          1. Silhouette
            Silhouette April 26 2021 20: 13
            -3
            Quote: Overlock
            After Crimea, the Ukrainian nation was formed.

            Tell this to the Ukrainians themselves. They will laugh heartily with me.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 26 2021 20: 20
              +4
              Quote: Silhouette
              Tell this to the Ukrainians themselves. They will laugh heartily with me.

              I have a direct telephone connection with them - they do not laugh.
          2. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 17
            -1
            The little wife will find her bullet.
    3. andrew42
      andrew42 April 26 2021 14: 40
      +3
      Unfortunately, the phenomenon of this very "Ukraine" has already taken place historically, and Russia will not solve this problem overnight. In any case, this is the same "Bandera" mental project, it will still exist, oh, how long, exactly as long as there is a significant number of carriers of this "Bandera" self-identification. This is a hundred years. But the question, on what territory (on what part of the territory) of the so-called Ukraine the "Bandera" project will live, is an important question. The task of Russia is to make the area of ​​the "Banderaites" shrink inexorably like a shagreen skin, and to the limit dissolve somewhere in Poland, or in Hungary, which would risk grabbing these poisoned pieces. Russia has only one method - the successive annexation of the regions from the east, step by step. The pace is according to the situation. The way - through a temporary form in the form of independent republics, in order to avoid direct identification of confrontation, - People's Ukraine must fight with Banderia, Russia - a base, a source of replenishment of resources and rear. Ukraine was profiled for 40 years (even before the collapse of the USSR, the Kravchuks were driving there with might and main), and one should not hope to cut this Gordian knot in 3-5 years. God forbid from such a one-time sip, - Mother Russia will choke, poison herself with Bandera poison. Rotting inside the USSR, breaking in 1991. - it was easy - it took a long time to build.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day April 26 2021 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: Silhouette
      Ukraine should not be

      How are you different from Hitler and Bandera? They said exactly the same about Ukraine and the USSR, and then Russia.
  • avib
    avib April 26 2021 12: 34
    +5
    And ask 40 million Ukrainians? What if they have their own point of view, their own plans ...
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 26 2021 12: 44
      -5
      40 million different plans ... - are we going to be interested in everyone? Let them plan their health only not to the detriment of a neighbor.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 14: 49
        -1
        Quote: mark1
        Let them plan their health only not to the detriment of a neighbor.

        Imagine they think that way about us. And who is right? Everyone has their own truth
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 26 2021 15: 08
          +1
          I don't need their truth. I wish them health, etc. But their happy life should not harm mine. NATO is bad, helping our enemies is bad, and stealing is bad. If there are people there who agree with this point of view, they need to be supported and protected, and for the rest, all their wet dreams and plans should be canceled.
          And then I think - from whom weighty minuses fly in ... and silence. Thank you - I saw my face.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 26 2021 20: 00
            +3
            Quote: mark1
            I don't need their truth.

            And they don't care deeply about yours!
            Quote: mark1
            But their happy life should not harm mine.

            So don't poke your nose in there. If you get involved in someone else's business, then do not be surprised at unpleasant surprises for you.
            Quote: mark1
            NATO is bad, helping our enemies is bad, and stealing is bad.

            More than half of Ukrainian citizens are for NATO and you shouldn't worry about that.
            1. mark1
              mark1 April 26 2021 20: 04
              -3
              But it worries me, and you will worry about what worries me - until hiccups and constipation will worry you.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock April 26 2021 20: 20
                +3
                Quote: mark1
                But it worries me, and you will worry about what worries me - until hiccups and constipation will worry you.

                Then an enema helps you with anxiety
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 29
                  -1
                  Have you checked on yourself?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 26 2021 21: 02
            -3
            Quote: mark1
            I don't need their truth

            These are your personal problems. They don't need you or your truth
            1. mark1
              mark1 April 27 2021 05: 44
              -1
              Who needs you?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 27 2021 12: 59
                -3
                Quote: mark1
                Who needs you?

                To my family
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. April 26 2021 12: 55
      -2
      The inhabitants of the LDNR have their own point of view, which the Nazis of Ukraine do not like.
    3. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 26 2021 13: 08
      -1
      And when will the RUSSIANS be asked what they want to do with their historical lands?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 14: 50
        -4
        Quote: Andrey Grad
        do they want to do with their historic lands?

        What has fallen is lost. Do you want war with Kazakhstan?
        1. Andrey Grad
          Andrey Grad April 27 2021 10: 16
          +2
          I watch you here in every barrel a plug, working on the formation of public opinion.
          How do you get paid for such a job?
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 April 26 2021 12: 38
    -2
    It makes no sense to solve the problem of the existence of Ukraine with its leadership. There are only two ways in which no one will ask her opinion. The first is inflicting a lightning missile, artillery and air strike on Ukrainian positions, paralyzing the will to resist and leading to inevitable and unconditional surrender,


    The second way is an agreement with the United States on transfer of Ukraine in whole or in parts to the jurisdiction of Russia... And she will decide how to deal with this territory.


    I don't even know which option is worse ..))
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 20: 02
      +3
      Quote: Roman070280
      I don't even know which option is worse ..))

      Schizophrenia - It Can't Be Cured
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 27 2021 01: 30
        -2
        Looking at your comment, it is easy to believe in it.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets April 26 2021 12: 43
    0
    The worst thing the Americans could do to us is to give us Ukraine. The Kremlin would not have been able to resist such a temptation. wink As a result, we would have received a degraded territory, where our scarce resources would have gone. At the same time, a significant part of the population would be hostile to us in any case and would serve as a source of instability. As a result, we would have a real abscess devouring Russia, and without any benefit.
    Fortunately, Americans simply don't have the brains to do it.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 26 2021 12: 48
      +1
      Fortunately, Americans simply don't have the brains to do it.

      That's enough. They only need to bring the situation to a pre-explosive level, it is even desirable to organize chaos and anarchy. Then you can safely throw Ukraine at the feet of the Russian Federation, you will have to deal with such a "gift" for a long time. Including forceful methods. There is not only the FSB, there even the army will be head over heels.
    2. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 26 2021 13: 22
      +1
      For a territory with fertile lands, in a temperate climatic zone, with a civilized hardworking population, any country will fight to the last patron, but only YOU do not need it. About a hostile population is not an argument, turn off Nazi propaganda and after half a year people will return to an adequate state.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 26 2021 14: 51
        -2
        Quote: Andrey Grad
        For a territory with fertile lands, in a temperate climatic zone, with a civilized hardworking population, any country will fight to the last patron

        And even Ukraine ... with you
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR April 26 2021 12: 46
    +2
    I am not Ukrainian (and I was there only 1 time) and what - how can I not judge there ...
    But let me express a purely subjective view of the problem of relations between the RF and RU.
    So: Russia (more precisely, its leadership) should have very tightly controlled the behavior of him and his administration after Mr. Yanukovych came to power. Literally every quarter to invite to Moscow and "slap your face on the table" (sorry) with the words: "- do not steal! Do not steal! Do not steal!"
    You can voluptuously discuss "State Department cookies" and other things as much as you like, but the basis for the discontent of the Nezalezhnaya population was quite understandable emotions of the people, in whose eyes the authorities behaved extremely arrogantly and shamelessly.
    Presumably, in Moscow, the behavior of this subject (Yanukovych) was viewed by some as fully consistent with "local customs." Only Ukraine is not Russia, it has no financial support in the form of oil and gas.
    I’m probably oversimplifying, but “soft power” has many aspects.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 April 26 2021 12: 53
      -5
      invite to Moscow and "slap your face on the table" (sorry) with the words: "- do not steal! do not steal! do not steal!"

      in Moscow, the behavior of this subject (Yanukovych) was viewed by some as fully consistent with "local customs"

      I will disappoint .. in Moscow itself, the customs are exactly the same ..
      And they steal from our Yanukovychs by orders of magnitude more ..
      So to beat someone for stealing .. remember the two ravens ..
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 26 2021 22: 46
      -1
      Invite Yanukovych to Moscow and beat him with the words "don't steal!" Lord, how are you cut off from reality ... Who will beat him there? The same? You at least watch the series of films "Rat Kingdom" to at least begin to navigate in what generally happened and is happening ... yes
  • codetalker
    codetalker April 26 2021 12: 52
    -1
    Thanks to the author for the interesting material! I would like to leave a few comments / additions.
    Indeed, the problem of "Ukraine" has been created for us for at least 300 years, and these, of course, are not Poles (they are only executors). But it turned out that the very anti-Russian stratum (which they created) is small in number. It is enough to “remove” it and work with ordinary Russian people, who are now called Ukrainians. The toolkit for this was created: DPR, LPR, Minsk agreements, etc. The Norman format is not for appeasement (although for this too). He allowed us to create subjects for the future return of Ukraine home to Russia. Therefore, all those who demand to accept the LDNR as part of Russia right now, or to abandon the Minsk ones are the enemies of Russia (whether they realize it or not)!
    As the author correctly noted, the current Ukrainian "state" has zero sovereignty. The governing authority there is the US Embassy, ​​and local officials only play face-to-face. Therefore, it is pointless to discuss something with Ukraine, a dialogue should be conducted with the United States. But the author overlooked that the United States is not at all a monolith; there is intense internal political competition for what the future holds for this state. Some clans want (and are doing) a war in Europe (Ukraine) right now, probably thinking to get rich like in the 20th century. Others, apparently, want to continue to put pressure on Russia through Ukraine, but are not ready for war (they understand that they will reach the decision-making centers ...). This gap in positions provides Russia with very broad opportunities. And the list of "options for action" in the article will expand in this regard. I think the GDP will act in accordance with one of those options not included in the article.
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk April 26 2021 12: 59
    -2
    "When the state of Ukraine was created, it was based on the one imposed by the Poles in the 18th century" - the Poles invented "Ukraine" at the end of the 19th century - after the partition of Poland. And the Austrians developed this idea at the end of the 20th, including Galicia and Volhynia. Well, the Bolsheviks introduced it into the brains of the population in the 70-20s of the XNUMXth century.
  • Vladi
    Vladi April 26 2021 13: 03
    +5
    ✅ quote: "... since Ukraine was originally formed as the antithesis of Russia"
    Explain to me why this propaganda chorus sounds like a refrain for many years that "Ukraine was conceived as anti-Russia" ?!
    If you do not find the strength to go beyond this paradigm and continue this method of "analysis", then Russia is also an anti-America project.
    Do thinkers have a desire to stop simplifying everything and abandon labels?
    The Russian school of psychology is one of the strongest. But this is not felt at all when it comes to understanding the psychology of Russia's neighbors.
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos April 26 2021 14: 29
      +1
      Quote: Vladi
      quote: "... since Ukraine was originally formed as the antithesis of Russia"
      Explain to me why this propaganda chorus sounds like a refrain for many years that "Ukraine was conceived as anti-Russia" ?!

      how can you explain the existence of the second largest Russian-speaking country with a historical center (Kiev)
      to be destroyed?
      Therefore, we declare it a threat, a radish, that from "childhood" they tried to destroy Russia.
      That it was they who destroyed the Russian Empire, the USSR and all the creations of Russia.
      We do not even accept all their territorial losses in the form of the Crimea and the republics as a source of "dislike for our neighbor." It can not be! Only because they have always hated Russians.
      At the same time, the era until 2014 when all the keys of Kiev were in the hands of Moscow and everything was decided in "narrow circles" connected by gas and other transit routes of their people. Half of the country was bought and privatized by Russian capital.
      And now we need to explain to the people how you can screw up such a huge advantage over the Klyaty West.
      Explanations that they were originally "radishes" and AntiRussia-sound like a petty thing .. and do not explain the largest proval.A hints of 5 billion Maidan and cookies, which have discouraged all Ukrainians from Russia, too. And there were more than one of these Maidans ...
      But we have an article where without any pity there
      There are only two ways in which no one will ask her opinion. The first is to launch a lightning missile, artillery and air strike against Ukrainian positions, paralyzing the will to resist and leading to inevitable and unconditional surrender.

      that's it.
      Simple and in Russian - to gouge everything and everyone will be fine (it remains to understand who will be all and who will be fine).
      There are no other options. Well, they don't want to love Russia, then ...
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 26 2021 15: 08
        -5
        Quote: Black Lotos
        We do not even accept all their territorial losses in the form of the Crimea and the republics as a source of "dislike for our neighbor." It can not be!

        You don't understand anything about Ukraine at all. Explaining for a long time and educational program will not help. Dislike began long before the loss of Crimea, back in the Russian Empire. Or maybe Austro-Hungarian.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 26 2021 13: 19
    -1
    What nonsense! No 404 is a problem! The country is actively flying into the abyss. We are waiting for the launch of the SP-2 and quietly chewing popcorn. As soon as the last kolobashki at the skakuas run out, other people will take to the streets of Kiev, and we will help them deal with the banderlog.
    Several thousand .. okay, even if several tens of thousands of ukrofashiks with sawed-off brains and fat-eating managers, this is not all of Ukraine. Well, the people there haven’t ate shit yet, in full, they didn’t have our roaring 90s. When they are full so that they come out of the nostrils, then we will discuss what we should do with them. And this is all balala. If they were really dangerous, the LDNR would have been rolled into the asphalt long ago. And yapping, yes, they know how. And what else can they do, these pugs, among the elephants? If you behave quietly, then potential Western pimps may not notice. Tell us more about how dangerous Tribalts are ..)))
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 26 2021 13: 21
    -5
    Make every effort for the economic and political destruction of Ukraine as a state. Support Donbass in every possible way and fulfill this task, to a greater extent, by the forces of the DPR and LPR. Donbass people, they will put things in order in sharovarshchina, no doubt.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 April 26 2021 13: 32
    +2
    Quote: Overlock
    Quote: GoraN
    Option one to take all Russian-speaking cities and let the rest bring them to their own Europe

    Decipher the word pick up and tell us what are you planning to do with 50-60% of the population who does not love you?

    I wouldn't be so confident about 50-60 percent.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 26 2021 20: 18
      +5
      Quote: avia12005
      I wouldn't be so confident about 50-60 percent.

      1. School of Political Analytics NaUKMA: “We raised the question of whether Ukrainians agree with the need for a military operation with the restoration of territorial integrity in relation to Donbass and Crimea. 42% of Ukrainians agree that a military operation is necessary in Donbass, about 25% are against it. And 37,4% believe that a military operation should also be carried out in relation to Crimea, 27% do not agree with this "
      2. Sociological group "Rating": 52% of the respondents expressed their readiness to fight with Russia. In 2017, there were 54% of such respondents, in 2012 - 33%.
      3.
  • Alsur
    Alsur April 26 2021 13: 56
    -3
    Quote: A.TOR
    I am not Ukrainian (and I was there only 1 time) and what - how can I not judge there ...
    But let me express a purely subjective view of the problem of relations between the RF and RU.
    So: Russia (more precisely, its leadership) should have very tightly controlled the behavior of him and his administration after Mr. Yanukovych came to power. Literally every quarter to invite to Moscow and "slap your face on the table" (sorry) with the words: "- do not steal! Do not steal! Do not steal!"

    Are you funny Ukrainians, that is, Russia? had to control your elite, so that they would not steal. You wouldn’t be a Ukrainian yelling heart-rendingly that Russia is interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine. And again they would change their good opinion of Russia to a negative one.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 April 26 2021 14: 19
      0
      I wonder why a single "foreign" Yanukovych was so guilty that he was the first to be thrashed on the table? We in Russia have such good "own" figures for a couple of railway trains, and the majority with access to the budget (directly, or through multi-layer "projects"). No, it would certainly be "progressive", I would say "American" - to beat Yanuca for what is encouraged in the Russian system. But in Russian, it is meaningless. And according to the possibilities - only the extravagant "hegemon" can do, and not for our short pants.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 26 2021 14: 10
    0
    "The US now has a dilemma - what to sacrifice: exchange Ukraine and stop Nord Stream 2, forcing Germany to impose sanctions. Or preserve and strengthen the Ukrainian foothold, allowing Germany to strengthen itself through a gas pipeline and establish closer contacts with Russia." - very correctly formulated. Business Yankees love to count "risks." And each risk has a specific weighting factor. So, the specific coefficient of preservation of the Ukrainian "anti-Russia" at the moment is much higher than the "launch" of the SP-2 (namely, the launch, how it goes, we'll see). But on the other hand, the value of Dill as an "anti-Russian" asset will steadily fall, while the SP-2 asset will only grow. The US hosts are well aware of this. But here's the bad luck, at the moment you need to make a decision, but you want to eat the fish (that is, to chop the SP-2), and continue to keep Ukraine on this very (in a state suitable for "anti-Russia"). According to human logic, of course it would be wiser not to risk the Wehrmacht's coming out in the moment, and to complicate the progress of the SP-2 as much as possible. But this is human .. And there is little human in the Amernikan Kaganate, it seems that there are generally non-humans rule, some "aliens-satanists". The Russian leadership needs to be mentally prepared at any time to exchange SP-2 for the creation of a full-fledged Novorossiya. And there, without UGTS, and the issue with the SP-2 can be reanimated in 5 years.
  • Himari
    Himari April 26 2021 14: 12
    +2
    The problem with Ukraine is that they consider it "theirs" instead of being treated as an independent state. And there are no options for solving the "problem" raised by the author, too - especially the military.
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette April 26 2021 15: 12
      0
      In Ukraine, there is a civil war between the Russians. The Berorussians also belong to the same Russians. This should not even be understood, but felt.
      1. Himari
        Himari April 27 2021 15: 36
        0
        this is your personal opinion, in Ukraine, few people know that they have a "civil war" between the Russians.
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette April 27 2021 15: 58
          +3
          I'm not surprised. They have been brainwashed by all means for 30 years. As well as you. About 15 years ago I ask my brother from Kiev:
          - Igor, what is your nationality?
          - Ukrainian, of course.
          - Why is that? ... Your mother is Russian from Samara, your father still does not speak Ukrainian ..
          - I was born in Ukraine!
          - And if I was born in Japan, would I be Japanese? ...
          There has been no answer so far.
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 26 2021 14: 56
    +1
    SHO Sho! Cut along the Dnieper.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 26 2021 15: 17
    +5
    The Ukrainian problem has been maturing for thirty years.
    ..Aha, the rest of the problems are ripening. The first ripened the Baltic, then the Georgian, and then in turn, those that remained are ripening
  • hermit
    hermit April 26 2021 15: 20
    +4
    As long as there are whites in Moscow, Kiev will be under the rule of the blakytnykh. Only the Reds will be able to unite Ukraine and Russia, as they did a hundred years ago.
    1. Antagonist
      Antagonist April 26 2021 17: 22
      +5
      Quote: hermit
      Only the Reds will be able to unite Ukraine and Russia, as they did a hundred years ago.

      Where to get them, red then ...
      1. hermit
        hermit April 26 2021 23: 39
        +1
        I think they are the majority even among VO readers, judging by the comments. Another thing is that there is no organization.
        1. Antagonist
          Antagonist April 27 2021 15: 17
          +7
          Quote: hermit
          their majority even among VO readers, judging by the comments

          According to the comments, yes, the majority, but one has only to read their comments more attentively, as it immediately becomes clear that they are as "red" as I am a "liberal".
          Quote: hermit
          no organization

          There are many organizations ... Only they have no desire, to be the first. They are content with the role of "forever second".
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 April 26 2021 15: 33
    +2
    Do we need Ukraine at this time? Time does not work for the states, and even less for Ukraine. The gradual dilapidation of their gas transportation system will solve the transportation problem on its own. Well, three more years, five and that's it ... Hostility requires money, no one will support it for a long time. It is still possible to support the elites, but this way, you will get a big moldavia. Export of labor, degradation of everything and everyone. The Soviet stock is not endless. The EU will get a big bantustan at its border. It is necessary to strengthen the border, move to the regime of regular visa relations, reduce supplies and fenced off from them. Yes, it didn’t work out with the neighbors, but it couldn’t work out otherwise. The EU and the States are more attractive because of the standard of living, we are not competitors to them in this. We must not look for clamps, but differences and be aware that there are enemies. And t - the Slavic brotherhood and the Russian world - two very dear to us bogey.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 26 2021 16: 05
    +4
    And the experts are not tired of "spreading their thoughts on a tree", throwing off articles without any specifics, numbers, statistics ???

    A whole stream of non-specific articles goes with idealistic good wishes.
  • Glenni
    Glenni April 26 2021 16: 58
    +4
    Leave Ukraine alone and start solving your problems.
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  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti April 26 2021 17: 14
    +5
    It's already late, it was necessary to decide in 2014-2015. That part of eastern Ukraine that is not part of the DPR and LPR saw how the Russian Federation abandoned those territories that stood up for it and will no longer come out, but rather even oppose it. RF is weakening, it can already be seen. Ukraine lost (but Crimea) Kazakhstan to the Latin alphabet + displaces the Russians, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are already beginning to dominate there China. And we are under sanctions that hinder our development and income growth, because the best trick we could have is the standard of living. Until 2014, we had the highest in the entire CIS, they were striving for us, the influence of the sea, and now what? The Dying Empire ...
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 27 2021 10: 21
      +3
      Everything is clear, everything is gone, it's time to give up ...
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti April 27 2021 19: 33
        0
        Quote: Andrew Grad
        Everything is clear, everything is gone, it's time to give up ...

        No, we still need to be able to negotiate compromises, because when they get hot, no one will talk to us about compromises. They will devour and will not make a mistake, as they did in the late 90s, when there was an opportunity to finish off the Russian Federation, they did not and even helped to survive, in the hope that she would join them.
        1. Andrey Grad
          Andrey Grad April 28 2021 15: 21
          +1
          You and your wife will come to an agreement in the bedroom, and we'll see if we can talk to anyone in principle.
  • Antagonist
    Antagonist April 26 2021 17: 21
    +10
    What to do with Ukraine?

    Power to change from pro-Western to pro-Russian.
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 26 2021 18: 36
    +3
    Let's face it. The post-Soviet space is lost forever. It wasn't that friendly before. They are not happy to see Russia anywhere, Russia is interesting to these countries only as a source of freebies, and in exchange for only verbal friendship. Russia also has such pieces inside the country.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 27 2021 08: 19
      +3
      And we are not interested in whether they are happy to see us, or not. If they shit on us, they should get paid for it, if they want to live well, and the only way to do this is to learn Russian and be friends with Russia, then let them learn Russian and be friends. But no, so let them not be surprised that for Russians they are people of the second grade, or even the third. If you live in dirty auls, how does it treat you?
      1. Andrey Grad
        Andrey Grad April 27 2021 10: 27
        +3
        We are glad, not happy ... are we, a teenage girl reacting to every sidelong glance, trying to please all the boys?
        Amerikosov in general the whole world HATES, but everyone is silent in a rag and do what they say.
        It's time to grow up already.
  • dgonni
    dgonni April 26 2021 18: 38
    +1
    Author! Go to your neighbor in the country, in the process when the wife of the neighbor kicks out the drunken husband.
    And take the bathhouse well, and along the way, try to pick up the storage place for firewood!
    After that, upgrade it yourself and you will understand that there is nothing new and everything is real and predictable!
    1. pytar
      pytar April 26 2021 21: 04
      -3
      Great analogy! From me the plus sign is fat! good I hope it will finally come to the dull ones! hi
      1. BAI
        BAI April 26 2021 21: 23
        +3
        There is absolutely no analogy. On the primordially Russian territory, they were going to make a military base for the strategic enemy of Russia. Thank God, they managed without a preventive war. We have already passed to the Finnish one. But I think that in 2014 Russia would have had less losses. Not in that percentage.
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos April 26 2021 22: 25
          0
          Quote: BAI
          On the primordially Russian territory, they were going to make a military base for the strategic enemy of Russia

          looked through these myths. Dispersed well. But more for domestic consumption, especially for school renovations. I am sure that without our Crimea, after the second Maidan, a little time would have passed as the next president (in this case Poroshenko) would fly to Moscow for another loan.
          Moreover, he is not the first to fly there. And ask too.
          And the United States would really renovate a couple more schools in Crimea. At least they are still being repaired.
          on the facade of school number 22 in Sevastopol, which was renovated a year earlier according to the same program

          for the school of Lesia of Ukraine, a larger-scale reconstruction was supposed.
          The United States has about 8 such facilities by country. There were no plans to create bases.
          The usual image building.
          What for build a base in the most disloyal place then? Without changing the legislation of Ukraine? It also has a Russian base with a special status. And the attitude towards NATO in the whole of Ukraine was then negative in the majority.
          This is a propaganda cliche. If not for us, then NATO soldiers would have done it.
          I repeat, it would be much easier .. In a month Poroshenko would have already been in Moscow asking for benefits and credit + preferences. Nothing much would have changed. The informational association effect is short, but you always want to eat. And the treasury was empty.
        2. Kronos
          Kronos April 27 2021 00: 05
          +2
          Will not be done in the Crimea in Odessa, Kharkov and other cities of Ukraine.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 26 2021 18: 45
    +2
    it was necessary to decide in 2014 and now blah blah blah
  • Bashibuzuk1
    Bashibuzuk1 April 26 2021 21: 04
    +1
    The author forgot about one simple thing: Ukraine is not a single ethnic group, it is divided even by nationality, religion, language barrier * (Ukrainian language has dialects, when one part of the population does not understand the other) also exists between regions, customs and they have differences. This was admitted even by the Ukrainian nationalist (since Soviet times) V. Chernovil, who was removed before the presidential elections in Ukraine in the 90s. having arranged a car accident.
    Well, the concept of "colony" according to V.I. Nobody canceled Lenin, who does not know - read, compare, analyze.
  • BAI
    BAI April 26 2021 21: 19
    +3
    Whatever power is elected in Ukraine, it always becomes Russophobic

    She does not become Russophobic. She is inherently Russophobic. In principle, non-Russophobes in Ukraine will not get into power.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin April 27 2021 03: 56
    +2
    Why do something with Ukraine ... We need to make a hole in place of one island and 90% of the "geopolitical" problems will disappear.
  • kig
    kig April 27 2021 04: 26
    0
    What to do? Our rulers managed to twist so many rams around Ukraine that now, no matter what you do, nothing good will come of it. It remains only to puff out the cheeks.
  • pin_code
    pin_code April 27 2021 07: 16
    0
    about the drift from Russia. I will say this ... people communicate, because it is no secret that there are family ties between states, and this is nowhere to go. they just say ... when your troops come and we finally breathe freely (just from THEIR power). there are many such moments. and it cannot be taken away, not removed, not changed. there is simply no leader THERE, and nothing more.
  • Russobel
    Russobel April 27 2021 07: 27
    -1
    And contradictions with this state, in principle, cannot be eliminated.

    No man, no problem.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion April 27 2021 08: 14
    +2
    Let die. Preferably on your own, optionally under our bombs. The question is not what to do with the ukroina, it does not pose any danger to Russia, and a military victory will be achieved in a few days. The question is what to do after Ukraine. Because Russia will receive only a destroyed territory with an angry population, with a huge number of ukropsychopaths who will believe that they are some kind of "Ukrainians" and that Russia has occupied them. Others will consider that Russia did not let them into the European paradise. And raising the life of 20-25 million people to the Russian level will require resources that Russia simply does not have.
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 27 2021 10: 32
      0
      Do not complicate, half a year of absence of Nazi propaganda and people return to adequate thinking, tested on people.
  • mark2
    mark2 April 27 2021 09: 00
    0
    What to do with Ukraine

    I would drive this country into the Middle Ages up to the very eyebrows, destroying all the infrastructure, and I would clearly and clearly tell my partners that if anything, yars, maces would fly through the capitals. And I would have done all this unexpectedly, according to the classical European scheme of the Ukrainians, I do not mind. I don't feel sorry for anyone at all, except for Russia. Let the rest not twitch. The United States is not so strong, and Russia is not as weak as everyone here seems to think.
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 27 2021 10: 36
      0
      Stupidity, Outskirts of Russia, this is a Russian land with Russian people, and you destroy.
      1. mark2
        mark2 April 27 2021 11: 21
        +1
        this is a Russian land with Russian people, and you are destroying

        And I have no pretensions to the land. There are claims to the population.
        Your pacifist sentiments are never clear to me.
        Flip through the books on the history of the formation of Nazi Germany and refresh your memory of how the civilian population turns into freaks exterminating everyone, young and old. A little more and the same will happen with Ukraine. And the longer we wait, the more difficult it will be to resolve the problem. The problem must be stopped. And the sooner the better. And the more severe, the stronger the memory fits.
        Maybe it’s enough to carry humanistic nonsense, all our problems from this. Humanism was invented by Westerners, while they themselves are not humane even once.
        1. Scorpion85
          Scorpion85 April 27 2021 12: 39
          -1
          Do you have pretensions (through "e", not through "and", illiterate) to the population of a foreign country, a foreign land, to a foreign culture, to which you have not the slightest relation? Who are you? When did you manage to privatize the whole planet? laughing If you have any complaints, you can buy a ticket to Kiev and speak to the Ukrainian people there, just keep in mind that your statutes will be shoved into your mouth and forced to chew, and then they will beat off your head, well, so that "guests" like you are aware of what happens when the illiterate with delusions of grandeur comes the devil knows where to a foreign land and tries to teach the local residents life, as I understand it, you have no complaints about your beloved irremovable and his entourage, for example, why incomes from national wealth (gas, oil) fall into their pocket , at a time when the bulk of the population of the Russian Federation is in poverty, why are Siberian forests exported to China, why Damansky was given to China, why the Barents Sea shelf was given to Norway, which was estimated at 30 billion euros and is the most promising area for oil production? Or is it different? Well, yes, we do not notice this (it is scary to talk about this in the Russian Federation, you can slander about an article, but they will come up with which one), you have no complaints about this, but you have some kind of complaints about a foreign country. Did you eat your ears? You should walk out of here a warlike chicken and stop rocking in public here.
          1. Andrey Grad
            Andrey Grad April 27 2021 13: 51
            0
            The land is not alien to us, our land is RUSSIAN land, people are also not aliens, people are also OUR RUSSIAN, and countries are systems of organizing societies. Countries form, format and disband. If the organization of the society is ineffective or destructive, then it is disbanded.
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      2. Gerome
        Gerome April 29 2021 01: 20
        +1
        Russian people? Partly yes, and partly the followers of Mazepa who are constantly betraying Russians and Russia.
        1. bukhach
          bukhach April 29 2021 15: 18
          +1
          Yes, if not Bandera, then Mazepa or Petliura through one.
  • Tektor
    Tektor April 27 2021 11: 10
    +1
    In my opinion Svidomo must come to a clear realization that Bandera's power leads to degradation. This should reach everyone: we need graphs, tables, statistics, etc. Svidomo should burn out completely.
    For Russia, second-hand is of interest to the Russian population, ports and shipbuilding facilities, agricultural opportunities, mining. This must be borne in mind first of all. You cannot keep any Yuzhmash, Antonov, Motorsich on this territory, because does not correspond to the local mentality. Just an argar province.
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 27 2021 13: 59
      +1
      The mentality does not arise from the Moon, the mentality is part of culture, it is nurtured and formed through education, mass culture, and the media.
      And graphs are useless against total Nazi propaganda, this is the technology of mass consciousness management based on deep emotions, against which consciousness loses in most cases.
    2. Igor Ushakov
      Igor Ushakov April 27 2021 18: 31
      +1
      Believe it or not, the majority has already realized it, many have already "voted with their feet." The central authorities are less and less trusted, judging by the results of our local elections. Even Galicia, which is positioned almost as a Ukrainian heartland, has already shown a record low turnout in the elections.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 27 2021 11: 27
    0
    On the move
    All Russian attempts to find mutual understanding with the Ukrainian "hetmanate" lead nowhere

    What attempts? Leopold Cat's cheeky speeches? In reality, there is zero effort on the front of "improving relations"; completely different things are actually done and said. For 7 years I have been hearing how much slop is poured from our TV screens into Ukraine - the already not better position of this country has long been smeared in our propaganda with all the spectra of brown colors and unprintable epithets. This degree of hatred, contempt and couch analytics of the collective farm level has consistently torpedoed any improvement at the household level for years. In the fight between two kitchen cooks, we proved ourselves to be one of these kitchen cooks, not hesitating in expressions, vanging commemorations, apocalyptic scenarios and defamation. In our opinion, what was it supposed to add to our popularity? No, we have sunk almost to the level of the enemy in this rhetoric.
    At the political level, I do not see any attempts at "real" improvements on our part (attempts or their absence on the part of Ukraine do not interest me in this context) - did we take Crimea? They took it away. Do we support SE? We support. Is Medvedchuk coming to us? Comes over. Do we supply weapons to the SE? Apparently we supply. Zelensky, even at the beginning of his presidency, was not invited to the Russian Federation for any commemorative events - this is not about the fact that he would hardly come, it is about the fact that we DIDN'T INVITE him. Almost from the moment of his inauguration, the line of denigration and discrediting that worked for Poroshenko continued along Zelensky - what did they call him there? Comedian? Kolomoisky's puppet? These are only the most innocuous characteristics that have repeatedly surfaced in the state media.
    What kind of REAL improvement in relations after all this (after?! Yes, all this continues even now) can we talk about? In fact, we have NO line to establish a dialogue or improve relations with Ukraine - we are determined to bargain with her as a "sucker" and sell her a donut hole so that they "chew" everything that happened there, play amnesia and then this country collapsed and a larger piece would go to us. This is our real and tangible line, beyond the boundaries of healthy demagoguery.
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad April 27 2021 14: 11
      0
      The West deliberately put not a serious, respected man as the President of the Outskirts, but put SKAMAROKH by profession, showing our government, firstly, the humiliating level to which they lower the negotiation process, and secondly, the possibilities of their power (we want to put a dog as a president).
      Therefore, no one will meet with him.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 27 2021 14: 37
        0
        Well, ok, let's say. And where is the effort then?) We postpone the essence again until the next elections, already 2 times. It's not effort, it's called procrastination.
    2. Igor Ushakov
      Igor Ushakov April 27 2021 18: 54
      +1
      Are we supplying weapons to the SE? Apparently, we supply
      From this place in more detail, please ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 27 2021 18: 58
        0
        Have you seen photos of militias with brand new AK modifications? Probably they, too, were gathering dust in the mossy Ukrainian warehouses with weapons?
        1. Igor Ushakov
          Igor Ushakov April 28 2021 13: 32
          +1
          And, you mean Donbass, everything is clear with the unrecognized republics. It's just that the South-East is not only Donbass (the latter is more likely just the East), it is also a number of regions, up to Odessa.
    3. your1970
      your1970 April 27 2021 20: 33
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      we are determined to bargain with her as a "sucker" and sell her a donut hole,

      Remind me - to whom did Russia give money, a few billion ??? Huh?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 27 2021 21: 34
        -1
        No, the question is not "who" should be formulated but "WHY"? And who will be responsible for this? For the fact that the next loan was issued for some unknown reason and did not return? I never heard whose decision it was and for what devil these 3 billion were torn off from the Russian taxpayers.
        And by the way - intelligible loans are usually returned through international financial institutions. But this is if they are PERFECT. In this case, I don’t remember that our authorities calmly and methodically dismantled this "muddy" in international abitrages. This means that the story itself with the goals and, most importantly, the SECURITY of the loan, as usual, came out unclear.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 27 2021 22: 53
          -1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          No, the question is not "who" should be formulated but "WHY"? And who will be responsible for this?

          You just threw a tantrum about how we deceive Ukraine and sell them a donut hole ... Just now ...
          Now you have turned over the capture and ask with indignation - why didn’t they milk Ukraine or threw it ????
          Here Ukraine was either thrown or not ...
          And judging by your anger - the schemes are muddy, Ukraine at the beginning, we have a donut hole ...
          So your first post is crap.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart April 27 2021 23: 25
            0
            A young man, you throw hysterics here) When you do not like other people's arguments)
            By "donut hole" I mean that in words speaking about the desire to normalize relations with Ukraine, we do not offer them anything, even what was not so long ago a part of their country. Since the topic of the topic is "What to do with Ukraine?" - and as soon as the author argues that the normalization has failed - well, here it is, the reason for which it has failed.
            I repeat to you once again - the issue of returning normal international loans is a long-established legal process. Each country has property - the collection of property in third countries in case of non-return or refusal of the fact of payment launches different property procedures, which ultimately compensate the lost party. What we do not observe - and in this regard, I have quite logical questions about the drafting of contracts and the issuance of such "loans". In this case, after all, we issued this loan, and not Ukraine stole it from our wallet? As soon as you mentioned their debt, I told you that such debts are collected and how they are collected. You didn’t like something and you started flowing with pink foam) You need to be calmer, calmer ..
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 28 2021 06: 11
              0
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              that in words, speaking about the desire to normalize relations with Ukraine, we do not offer them anything,

              That is, to have gas is cheaper than in the Russian Federation and non-repayable loans are not enough?
              What else do you think should have been given to them?
  • Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 April 27 2021 16: 18
    0
    yes, put them on a count (fascists) angry
    I saw on the news how they had demonstrations in the 14th. and after that still talk to them !?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 27 2021 17: 35
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    it was necessary to decide immediately after secession, but our government was busy dividing up wealth, now it's too late.

    There was no one to decide.
  • garik77
    garik77 April 27 2021 18: 09
    0
    Quote: Anatoly 288
    I'm afraid I'll pick up the minuses, but ... there is only one solution - a military one, and the longer we wait, the harder it will be. If this is not done, then Poland and Lithuania will look like fraternal states against the background of Ukraine. The anti-Russia project will be cared for and cherished, in every possible way supporting. The belt of states in which hatred towards our country is cultivated has been created. It can only be destroyed by force, and no persuasion or negotiation will help, because these are not independent subjects. Yes, there will be sanctions, there will be a curtain ... but all this will be so, regardless of whether we negotiate or cut this "Gordian knot." The Anglo-Saxons will not leave us alone and the fate of the Indians awaits us, if we continue to accept their rules and act in accordance with their wishes

    There seems to be only one way out, this is the reanimation of the Novorossiya project. The mainland Ukriana is cut off from the seas and cut to the West to the Dnieper or even to Kuev. And the complete denazification of all the liberated territories.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 27 2021 20: 26
      0
      Quote: garik77
      And the complete denazification of all the liberated territories.

      Hang? Oh well...
      I was recently trampled for this, "yes there are brothers, yes with flowers ... !!!"
  • Maks winter
    Maks winter April 27 2021 19: 26
    +2
    what to do with Ukraine?...
    forget about her ...
  • K.O.S.
    K.O.S. April 27 2021 21: 08
    0
    They wrote 350+ comments here, but in fact that here you will already make the train, then it left. Now you need to think about how to live in this new reality, and not relax yourself.
  • MK
    MK April 27 2021 21: 34
    +1
    Uuuu, how many 5th column ran that. Failurers and raguli.
  • Alien ...
    Alien ... April 28 2021 01: 03
    0
    What to do? Apologize to Khmelnitsky, say thank you for trying, and return everything back. It, in general, and everything itself gradually goes there. It is a matter of time, prices in money and prices in lives. Yugoslavia paid dearly, and who of you will immediately remember that there was Czechoslovakia? Bam- and the Czech Republic and Slovakia ... Nobody noticed ...