The Ministry of Defense is considering the option of supplying the Yak-130 UBS to the naval aviation of the Russian Navy

The Ministry of Defense plans to purchase new Yak-130 combat training aircraft under the already signed contract. At the moment, we are talking about 25 new Yak-130, which should be transferred to the military by 2027.

According to the Ministry of Defense, which is shared with us "News", the military department intends to transfer the planned Yak-130 to the armament of the naval aviation The Russian Navy, where they will train, including carrier-based aviation pilots. The publication writes that the Aerospace Forces have already purchased more than a hundred Yak-130, at the same time, the Navy does not have such an aircraft and it is necessary in units and regiments of naval aviation to train young pilots to "drive" combat vehicles. At the same time, in the presence of the Yak-130, most of the load will be transferred to them. In addition, the Yak-130 can be used as an assault aircraft.

But these are only intentions, a final decision on this issue has not yet been made. It is possible that the planes will go to the Aerospace Forces, where they are traditionally supplied.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the conclusion of a new contract for the supply of 25 Yak-130 combat training aircraft in 2020. Previously, the Yak-130 was modernized by specialists from the Irkutsk aircraft plant, taking into account the data received from Russian pilots during operation.

Yak-130 (according to NATO codification: Mitten - "Mitten") is a Russian combat training aircraft developed by the Yakovlev Design Bureau to replace the L-39 training aircraft in the Russian Air Force. In the case of combat operations, the aircraft is able to perform the tasks of a light attack aircraft.

Comments

[Pavel57]

We need to make a variant with 4 X-35 names.

[Reviews]

Quote: Pavel57

We need to make a variant with 4 X-35 names.

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Avis

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

Here or or!

[mark1]

Quote: Avis

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

First of all, you need to put on the floats

[Bez 310]

Quote: mark1

First of all, you need to put on the floats

I agree!
But we also need to make the webbing on the chassis.

[lucul]

First of all, you need to put on the floats

It is subsonic and the engines are nothing.
And so, if it were supersonic, but with normal engines, and the specific load on the wing is less, it would have turned out to be a good alternative to the MiG-29K for the aircraft carrier's wing.
4500kg empty weight and 3000kg payload are pretty good.

[mark1]

Yes, I don’t see it at all in naval aviation, except for TCB (subject to modernization)

[Barberry25]

and it would then cost three times more)

[hrych]

Nowadays, external target designation and a compact optoelectronic integrated system (OEIS) are in vogue. Therefore, the overall radar is not always needed, which the older brothers have ... OEIS and not only, you can also hang

[Reviews]

Quote: hrych

Nowadays, external target designation and a compact optoelectronic integrated system (OEIS) are in vogue.

I don't know what's wrong with fashion, but in real life, aiming should be complex. And the target designator is not immortal. And he can be overwhelmed or drowned. And not every small carrier of target designators will not be enough. Then the onboard radar will come in handy.

[hrych]

I agree, yes, in fact, and not to put Belka, it is quite possible from attack helicopters, small, phasotron, etc. radar radars fit. On the other hand, the Su-25 with anti-radars performs combat missions. There is a radar station "Spear-25" in a suspended container under the fuselage, which is used to engage air targets. But the Yak-130 is not intended to gain air superiority either. Well, where the tasks of the attack aircraft will be solved, where will they be involved in the PKO.

[Reviews]

Quote: hrych

Su-25 with "anti-radars" also performs combat missions.

Is it right in the XNUMXst century that an airplane does not have a radar? It's not okay for me.

Yak-130 is not for air supremacy

Yes. It is, first of all, for the advanced training of future pilots of aircraft with radar. It is not on simulators to learn how to work with radars (limited realism) and not on combat aircraft (expensive) ... Well, for a light attack aircraft, an extra "eye" will also not hurt if it is there initially.

[poquello]

Quote: Avis

Is it right in the XNUMXst century that an airplane does not have a radar? It's not okay for me.

ok if network centric is present

[Reviews]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Avis

Is it right in the XNUMXst century that an airplane does not have a radar? It's not okay for me.

ok if network centric is present

Is she always there? F-35 has this "network center"?

[poquello]

Quote: Avis

Quote: poquello

Quote: Avis

Is it right in the XNUMXst century that an airplane does not have a radar? It's not okay for me.

ok if network centric is present

Is she always there? F-35 has this "network center"?

f35 "sort of" has the ability to work in the network (in their network), of course, it is not always and not everywhere, it will be more accurate, more precisely, to work without radar, it is necessary that this radar be on another object

[Reviews]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Avis

Quote: poquello

Quote: Avis

Is it right in the XNUMXst century that an airplane does not have a radar? It's not okay for me.

ok if network centric is present

Is she always there? F-35 has this "network center"?

f35 "sort of" has the ability to work in the network (in their network), of course, it is not always and not everywhere, it will be more accurate, more precisely, to work without radar, it is necessary that this radar be on another object

Sapienti sat.

[hrych]

Since he is a combat training, then probably the instructor can not be put anywhere. Do not use its redundant controls and instruments, do not use an ejection seat, etc. But again, even now, it is capable of performing the tasks of a light attack aircraft. So I suppose, if a BS is made from the UBS, then the radar and other systems will be where to put, throwing out the instructor and his facilities. It was stated that the question of creating a strike drone on its basis is even being considered. This is what, that all in the UBS version, it is easier to use suspended electronic systems (if necessary), in accordance with the used suspended NURS, ATGMs, anti-ship missiles and missiles.

[Reviews]

Quote: hrych

Since he is a combat training, then probably the instructor can not be put anywhere.

Of course not. Do not need. UBS, all the same.

Again, and now he is able to perform the tasks of a light attack aircraft.

Indisputably. Simply, in our time, even the Basmachi already carry a lot of things with them and visual aiming may no longer be enough for the safety of an attack. So, it is better to have a radar, "... than to be poor and sick." :)

if a BS is made from the UBS, then the radar and other systems will have where to put, throwing out the instructor and his facilities

I hope not. Such multipurpose UBS are of interest to poor countries, but they cannot afford two specialized aircraft.

easier to use pendant electronic systems (as needed)

Easier. But this also means occupying at least one pylon for a container, not a weapon.

[Barberry25]

The radar, by its very presence, will multiply the price of the 130th by 2 ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avis

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

Airborne onboard radar "Kopye-F" is designed for installation on Yak-130UBS, MiG-AT, etc.

[Reviews]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Avis

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

Airborne onboard radar "Kopye-F" is designed for installation on Yak-130UBS, MiG-AT, etc.

While she is not a hundred on the Yak-130иt. You never know what and for what is intended ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avis

While she is on the Yak-130 is not. You never know what and what it is intended for ...

The locator is already there. Whether he will stand on the plane or not depends only on the customer, and not because there is no such possibility.

[Reviews]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Avis

While she is on the Yak-130 is not. You never know what and what it is intended for ...

The locator is already there. Whether he will stand on the plane or not depends only on the customer, and not because there is no such possibility.

And I did not say that there is no possibility. There is no plane with a locator. And, by the way, most likely, no one has tested it on the plane itself.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Avis

While she is on the Yak-130 is not. You never know what and what it is intended for ...

The locator is already there. Whether he will stand on the plane or not depends only on the customer, and not because there is no such possibility.

Radar Compier - did not leave the stage of the layout.
Since 2003, no one needed it and the topic was buried.
So there is no Spear-F radar.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Avis

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

It's all the same UBS.

History shows that on the basis of the TCB, hundreds of light attack aircraft were built and operated by the relatively poor or not very developed countries of Latin America, Africa, and Southeast Asia.
Which were just made on the basis of the TCB.
Accordingly, the same Aermacci made most of these aircraft.
And the installation of a modern radar station in the same block with the LMS - allows the same M-346 (twin of the Yak-130) - to become an aircraft capable of performing missions to combat air targets, partisan movement, ground targets, for air defense, direct air support and tactical reconnaissance ...
And it certainly is not a rival to the Su-35S, but its operation will not ruin countries with a small budget.

[Barberry25]

First, we need to decide what and for what ... If we make a flying desk, then it should be cheap, if we make a combat aircraft ... Then the price of a Yak-130 with an airborne radar will be about 25-30 cartoons ... for understanding, Indians have we MiG-29UPG are taken at a price of 40 mults overboard ... And that's why no one uses the M346 as combat aircraft, and if you need to drive partisans through the jungle, that is, Super Toucans for 15 cartoons

[SovAr238A]

an airplane ... then the price of a Yak-130 with an on-board radar will be about 25-30 mults ... for understanding, the Indians take MiG-29UPG at a price of 40 mults overboard ...

You need to read carefully ...
For in addition to combat capabilities, there is also the cost of ownership and maintenance.
So an aircraft based on the Yak-130 will be at least five times cheaper in terms of maintenance cost over the life cycle.
And the life cycle of a modern aircraft is much higher than its purchase price.
What is super important for poor countries.

It's like giving a "dreadnought" ...

[Barberry25]

that's the point .. you need to understand that each thing has its own purpose .. the purpose of installing the radar on a training aircraft? learning how to use it? it can also be used on large aircraft .. only combat use remains .. but then we need to first lose a bunch of new aircraft ..with the pilots, then it is easier and more correct to take several su-30s and carry out repairs and keep them as spare vehicles .. it will be at the price of a bash for a bash, but the level of combat capabilities will not be comparable ..

[venik]

Quote: Avis

First of all, you need to make an airplane with a radar.

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First you need to make a small radar! For a Yak - even "Zhuk-A" - it is too big, and to put the antediluvian "Spear" with a slotted antenna (the last century!) - there is no point!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Pavel57

We need to make a variant with 4 X-35 names.

What's the point? Yak-130 is primarily a combat training aircraft. The Kh-35U can be used from the Su-34, MiG-35, and even the Ka-52. There are already enough carriers of this rocket.

[sustav75]

Aha! Especially in the quantitative sense of these carriers! One and a half MiG-35 aircraft produced especially sounds ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: sustav75

Aha! Especially in the quantitative sense of these carriers! One and a half MiG-35 aircraft produced especially sounds ...

Your math is bad. At least 6 MiG-35s are already in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, despite the fact that state tests have not yet been completed, after which a new contract for the MiG-35 will be signed.

The Russian Aerospace Forces received multifunctional MiG-35S fighters. The message about this was published by "Krasnaya Zvezda" in the infographic "The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in a Week". The planes were transferred to the military as part of the state defense order, the publication specifies.


The "C" index in the aircraft name means "serial". The production of the MiG-35 in this capacity began in 2019. At the same time, according to Ilya Tarasenko, head of the MiG company, the first contract was signed with the Ministry of Defense for a batch of six vehicles. State tests of the fighter are scheduled for completion in 2021.

Despite the fact that the MiG-35 is a development of the MiG-29 family, a number of fifth-generation technologies were used in its design: reduced radar signature, radar with an active phased antenna, the ability to use existing and future weapons. Also, the advantages of the aircraft include a helmet-mounted target designation system, engines with increased thrust and the ability to act as a flying tanker. At the same time, the fighter remained easy to maintain and retained the ability to operate from unpaved airfields.

https://rg.ru/2021/03/15/istrebiteli-mig-35-peredany-v-vojska.html

[sustav75]

Oh my God! How much! Straight missiles do not have time to produce! Do not powder your brains! The MiG-35 (29) is already outdated, having not yet begun to fly normally! There will be no more orders for it, the rest is so, to support Mikayanovsky's pants, which was once a great design bureau!

[Toucan]

At least 6 MiG-35s are already in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, despite the fact that state tests have not yet been completed ...

Forgive me, but you undertake to talk about what you do not understand. The fighter cannot be put into service until the completion of the GSI. These aircraft are in trial operation.

[hrych]

Quote: sustav75

Especially in the quantitative sense of these carriers!

And the type of ships of the enemy is darkness, darkness The entire United States has less than 300 pennants, including ships against which the X-35 is powerless, well, at least the nuclear submarine. And not only the Su-35 is its carrier, but is included in the nomenclature of the Su-24, Su-30, MiG-29, TU-142 and even helicopters, primarily the Kamov naval aviation. This is how the coastal Val also starts it up, and oh, horror, apart from combat ships, dry cargo ships and other barges can use it from PUs camouflaged under sea containers So the X-35 is not the only aviation anti-ship missile.

[sustav75]

Greetings to the leader of the patriotoptimists of this resource! I suggest you hold a friendly competition with an orange! Who more of you will be able to express courtesies to the RF Ministry of Defense! For their striking pace in supplying the troops with the latest Armata tanks, Sau coalition, Su-57 fighters and other things, other things, other things ... Good luck, gentlemen, comrades ...

[hrych]

Greetings to the honored sower of panic! If we stood naked, yes, sadness. And so without Armata, we have the most tanks on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Defense. and without the Coalition there will be revolvers and there are enough airplanes without the Su-57. Well, as he said to justify our MO? Earnestly? Somehow, without the Armata and the Su-57, they returned Crimea, control of the Caucasian ridge and the Syrian coast. How is such an argument? Rate it?

[sustav75]

Not convinced! You can use a paw and a butt to score a cowardly enemy (a Ukrainian in Crimea, a Georgian in Ossetia) hiding behind his master's shoulders! A Russian soldier can even remove a T-34 from an obelisk, bring it into battle! But a big BUT! Fighting on really new technology and really new weapons is much more useful for life, health and other benefits! The fact that our Russian mothers are still giving birth is no longer working! Right now, families usually have one child. Two already have many children (: And I am not engaged in alarmism on the resource, but in fair soaking of the chatty muzzles from the Ministry of Defense responsible for the supply of NEW weapons, into the puddles of lies they have spilled on all news resources.

[hrych]

Quote: sustav75

fair soaking of chatty muzzles from MO

Those. Boreas plowing the vastness of the ocean mean nothing? These are more than six dozen Maces already in defense of the Motherland. Or do they never fly? Deployed under a hundred Yars, don't you impress? More than one and a half hundred launchers of Iskander chatter? How much do you need to give birth to make up for the losses of the Crimean operation? So, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation extremely minimized the loss of drugs, taking control of the territory three times more than your beacon - Israel.

[sustav75]

Take control of Crimea and part of Donbass, in return give all Russian-speaking Ukraine to Bandera and the USA ?! And to endure this cesspool knows how many more years! It will hardly come to the use of maces and governors. Since this is the end of everything, but local conflicts, as in the same 2014, will be quite still! But then Ukrov had a shortage of supplies! Today they were trained like dogs! And they are ready to vomit! And for fresh-smelling bucks and even more so. Therefore, our army must outnumber the enemy by orders of magnitude, in modern technological weapons! An example of this is drones, the Ministry of Defense blinked in this direction. And if something happens, Russia does not need coffins! Not needed! About Israel is not for me. Not a fan. Although at one time they famously pissed off the arrogant clumsy Arabs. But that's a different story

[hrych]

Quote: sustav75

And they are ready to tear

Has anything changed? Have the Banderlog become braver? Dearie got bigger? They remained the same. Drones? First, we are full of all sorts of different. Secondly, Libya and Syria have shown that they do not mean anything against aviation, competent electronic warfare and air defense. This is how the control points crush with anti-radar missiles, etc. That the Karabakh people did not have such means - the greed of the diaspora, etc. Russia was accused of destroying the Norwegian frigate using electronic warfare in such and such a way. What can spiteful forces oppose us there? Well, you must be in nightmares, which is what you dreamed. Suppress their control centers and air defense systems, prescribed by Iskanders and Calibers, then air missiles, the same anti-radar, etc. Russia has high-precision weapons. Then it is prescribed to iron with bombardments, etc. Even a stampede will not help. And where do the drone drivers belong? Ukraine was fed by the Bolsheviks for 70 years, and in 1991 it sailed away and we did not lose it. The inhabitants of Ukraine obeyed the banderlog themselves. The LDNR did not obey, they were ready to fight. But the rest obeyed, well, do we need them like that? Who should do something for them? Themselves allowed, let them themselves and disentangle.

[sustav75]

They will tear the LDNR corps, not Russian troops! And for this in the current conditions they will need less than a day! Caliber and Iskander mi hardly dare to work, fearing everything and the entire GDP! Americans with NATO are just waiting for an excuse to finally bring their troops to Ukraine, at the request of the bleeding Zelensky. You yourself know very well who fought the Bandera people in the main in 2014! Someone would have a strong will, and the inhabitants of Zhytomyr would not submit to the new government of Ukraine and would “fight” shoulder to shoulder with not quite the inhabitants of the crying nenki! The train left! And yet Russia will have to disentangle it! Since the tension on the huge border with Ukraine will only grow!

[hrych]

Quote: sustav75

They will tear apart the LDNR corps

And the better the Ukrainian Armed Forces have become and the worse the LPNR divisions have become? By and large, the scattered, irregular subdivisions of the LPNR turned into a real army, very well equipped and trained, and the AFU remained the same AFU. That 7 years ago they were armed to the teeth, and now. Some kind of myth that over the years, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have grown stronger. And how did she get stronger? Aircraft carriers, combat satellites? Javelins are dubious. On the other hand, LDNR are going to defend themselves, which is easier. The main corpses and scrap metal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will immediately be left in minefields. NATO troops will not enter Ukraine, because this is a nuclear war, otherwise they would have been introduced long ago. What is stopping them before and now? It seems like nothing, just they were warned earlier that this should not be done. If the inhabitants of Zhitomir had will, they would not have obeyed the jackals. And if the darling was not enough, what does Russia have to do with it? The train did not leave. In the 41st, Ukraine was occupied by a more serious enemy and nothing was knocked out. Voltage? Yes, I don't care. This is one place for them to strain. As it is today. As soon as they assembled a strike fist against the LDNR, they immediately found themselves in the pincers of the Russian troops and ... flowed.

[venik]

Quote: sustav75

Aha! Especially in the quantitative sense of these carriers! One and a half MiG-35 aircraft produced especially sounds ...

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Considering that the Kh-35 can be used by most multipurpose fighters and bombers, as well as practically all turntables of naval aviation, patrol and anti-submarine aircraft, there are no problems with the carriers of the "Uranus", from the word at all!
And if you also take into account, without any special problems, you can mount practically ANY aircraft or helicopter with a radar (this is the design of the missile), it turns out that we have almost more "carriers" than the missiles themselves!
PS Learn materiel and you will be happy!

[venik]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Kh-35U can be used from the Su-34, MiG-35, and even the Ka-52.

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They also forgot to mention the Su-30 and Su-35, as well as the turntables: Ka-27, Ka-29, and Ka-31 .... In general:

Quote: OrangeBigg

There are already enough carriers of this rocket.

[venik]

Quote: Pavel57

We need to make a variant with 4 X-35 names.

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And he will pull them ??? I'm not saying that in terms of the maximum payload, they (4 X-35s) hardly fit in there, but on top of that - the maximum load on each pylon for the Yak-130 is to 500 kg! And the airborne X-35 has a starting weight of 530 to 610 kg (depending on the modification)!

[Doccor18]

Very pleasant and promising news

... the military department intends to transfer the planned Yak-130s to the naval aviation of the Russian Navy, where they will train, among other things, carrier-based aviation pilots ...

[mark1]

Quote: Doccor18

including pilots of carrier-based aviation ...

For this, a ship modification of the TCB is needed, and it is not entirely clear what can be taught to deck ships, only if you do not completely lose your aerobatic skills.

[Invoce]

Quote: Doccor18

Very pleasant and promising news

... the military department intends to transfer the planned Yak-130s to the naval aviation of the Russian Navy, where they will train, among other things, carrier-based aviation pilots ...

The fastest delivery in 25 will be the already upgraded Yak-130M, and if for training pilots of carrier-based aviation, it will be a completely different aircraft, with a folding wing, reinforced landing gear, hook (hook) and possibly other engines ... Not to mention about sighting and navigation complex, electronic warfare and weapons

[Soldatov V.]

With a radar and a hook for landing on a deck, there will be no price for it. Speed ​​up to 1000 per hour. Three tons on suspension! Can be used as an attack aircraft or a short-range air defense aircraft.

[Avior]

Air defense without radar?

[Soldatov V.]

I wrote a radar and do you need a radar (airborne radar)? Sorry then.

[Avior]

It has no radar.
I don’t know, maybe you wrote about the ship

[abrakadabre]

Three tons on suspensions!

With all due respect, 3 tons on a suspension does not take into account the reinforcement of the structure for deck operation and add-ons, such as an airborne radar.

[Soldatov V.]

The maximum for amplification and additions, I think, up to 1 ton can be given. 2 tons for short and medium-range air defense missiles will be normal. Barrage within a radius of 200-300 km is also normal. More precisely, the air defense pilots will probably tell you.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: V.

Can be used as an attack aircraft or a short-range air defense aircraft.

Can, with the same success, be used to intercept reconnaissance aircraft of the SR-71 "Blackbird" type.
The Yak-130 aircraft was created primarily as a TRAINING aircraft for combat pilots, and it is for this purpose that weapons are installed on it in order to teach the pilot how to handle aircraft weapons.
Attempts to hang combat missions on him is stupidity.

[Soldatov V.]

I have just read what is in the base of the Yak-130 by the designers - attack aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft, fighter-bomber, combat radar aircraft, strike drone, training aircraft. The run length is 670 meters, the takeoff run is 380 meters. That is, from Kuznetsov it will easily take off and will sit down after revision. Speed ​​1050 km / h. Range 2000 km without outboard tanks. Interestingly, there is a radar on it. Plus it is a two-seater, or an instructor or navigator-operator. An excellent universal aircraft for pilots with low qualifications.

[Pavel57]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Yak-130 is primarily a combat training aircraft.

What is his "fighting ability" without missile weapons. The radar is required by default. The X-35 will also have an export potential.

[Hexenmeister]

Radar is required by default

So it seems there is even a specific option:

At the recent MAKS-2019 air show at the end of last summer, the N.I. V.V. Tikhomirova presented another possible direction for the development of "Bars" - a small-size radar with a phased array "Bars-130", which, at the request of the customer, can be equipped with modified combat training aircraft Yak-130.

[Castro Ruiz]

Bez RLS eto only uchebniy samolet.
A boyevoy mozhet bit only papuasov.

[bars1]

Naval aviation is completed in the Russian Federation on a leftover basis ...

[Bez 310]

More and more delirium ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In addition to the Yak-130, we need an analogue of the L-39 for the initial training of pilots.

First, the piston Yak-152, then the analogue of the L-39, and the Yak-130 imitating any modern aircraft already in the last courses and for training slender pilots in order to save the resource of combat fighters.

[Reviews]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In addition to the Yak-130, we need an analogue of the L-39 for the initial training of pilots.

And he is "L-39 of the XXI century". The military equipment is now such that the Yak-130 is the "initial training jet". Or was there some other class of training vehicles in the USSR Air Force between the L-29 / -39 and combat aircraft? :)

[Pavel57]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Yak-130 is primarily a combat training aircraft. The Kh-35U can be used from the Su-34, MiG-35, and even the Ka-52. There are already enough carriers of this rocket.

The question of price - the combat version of the Yak-130 is cheaper than the Su-34 and MiG-35.
The Ka-52, in the case of a base deployment, can carry only 2 missiles, and cannot be compared in terms of range and speed.
Yes, but as a training Yak-130 is too expensive. The Italians also came to this with their Yaka branch.

[fiberboard]

Interestingly, and the Yakovlev Design Bureau is now creating combat vehicles?