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Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany: Either Ukraine joins NATO, or regains its nuclear status

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Andriy Melnik, the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, who is notable for his intolerant stance towards Russia, "distinguished himself" with another statement. This time, he threatened the West with returning Ukraine's nuclear status if it is not urgently admitted to NATO.


Miller, speaking on the German radio, once again demanded to provide Ukraine with modern weapons, threatening, in case of refusal, the return of Ukraine's nuclear status.

According to Melnyk, the only way out of the situation with the deployment on the Ukrainian borders of a "90-strong Russian military group," supposedly ready for an attack, is Ukraine's accession to NATO, and this should have been done back in 2014. He called on Germany to abandon its policies and provide assistance to Ukraine "real help" and not "show solidarity."

The ambassador warned that if Ukraine is not accepted into the alliance to protect itself from the "Russian aggressor", Kiev will make its own efforts to arm the army, including returning its nuclear status. Either Ukraine joins NATO, or returns its nuclear status.

Declaring the return of the nuclear status to Ukraine, Melnik does not take into account one thing - no one will allow Kiev to do this, including the United States. It is one thing to supply conventional weapons in order to tease Russia and organize "little wars", and quite another when a country with an unstable political situation and the rule of radicals will have a nuclear weapon... The world also lacks other "nuclear powers" in conflict with their neighbors. So, the "threats" of the Ukrainian ambassador are empty air concussions.

Note that Melnik has already made several not entirely adequate statements. In March of this year, he demanded from Germany help in liberating Crimea, since the Germans allegedly have a moral debt to Ukraine for the two occupations of the peninsula. Last week, he demanded that Berlin "postpone excuses" and and support Ukraine by modernizing its armed forces and strengthening its defenses. In addition, the Germans should help Ukraine join NATO.
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  1. hydroy
    hydroy April 15 2021 12: 45
    +8
    One zrada for іnshoyu so well so and so, a)
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          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke April 15 2021 14: 00
            +15
            Quote: Olgovich
            Turak does not even realize that in 1918 and 1941-44 Crimea has nothing to do with Ukraine, it was Russian and it was Russia, then Germany should help, having a debt for 2 occupations

            He does not understand, and that Ukraine has never had a nuclear status.
            Either Ukraine joins NATO, or returns its nuclear status.

            There is nothing to return.
            The USSR had nuclear status, the legal successor of which is the Russian Federation.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov April 15 2021 15: 37
              +4
              On the arena, the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, Andriy Melnyk, is again with another loud bunch! "This time he threatened the West to return Ukraine's nuclear status if it is not urgently taken into NATO!"
              What "nuclear weapons" are there in today's Ukraine, Andrusha? Is that shooting cannonballs ... laughing laughing laughing
              1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke April 15 2021 16: 13
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                What "nuclear weapons" are there in today's Ukraine, Andrusha? Is that shooting cannonballs ...

                ... nuts. Through a tubule of umbrella plants. good
            2. antivirus
              antivirus April 15 2021 17: 38
              0
              a turtle to buy them. and go ... along the Cord ........................................... .......
            3. Iron Felix
              Iron Felix April 16 2021 18: 09
              -1
              But he had nuclear weapons on his territory that were removed in return for the promise that Russia, Great Britain and the United States would respect the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine. But with contracts it is as it is. Paper is paper, so to speak.
      2. credo
        credo April 15 2021 12: 59
        +10
        Ukrainian politicians and leaders need to follow the example of "independent" Estonia and start demanding compensation from all countries of the world, whose citizens at least once in their life have stepped on the lands that are now part of such a state as "Ukraine".
        The diplomatic overgrowth in Ukraine is such that it has not felt the shores of adequacy for a long time.
        "Chicks" by Klim Chugunkin fool
      3. knn54
        knn54 April 15 2021 13: 20
        +2
        Ukraine will not stand the second "Andrey Melnik".
        1. figwam
          figwam April 15 2021 13: 25
          +1
          Either Ukraine joins NATO, or returns its nuclear status.

          Then Russia needs to act.
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 April 15 2021 13: 53
            +1
            Quite right. To place in the western direction several brigades armed with Iskander and explain that "this is protection against possible aggressive actions of Ukraine with the use of nuclear weapons, which, perhaps, they are developing." Romania and Poland are allegedly against Iran. hi
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG April 15 2021 14: 03
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            Quote: figvam
            Either Ukraine joins NATO, or returns its nuclear status.

            Then Russia needs to act.

            And everyone else should close their eyes to any actions of Russia.
          3. ironic
            ironic April 15 2021 23: 50
            0
            On the issue of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, since this issue is not resolved de jure, it begins to harm significantly de facto.
        2. avg
          avg April 15 2021 14: 14
          +3
          Quote: knn54
          Ukraine will not stand the second "Andrey Melnik".

          It is you, based on the memories of the former Ukraine, think so, but the current Nenka brought up a whole galaxy of such monsters and nothing, keeps.
    2. frruc
      frruc April 15 2021 12: 50
      +14
      Note that Melnik has already made several not entirely adequate statements. In March of this year, he demanded from Germany help in liberating Crimea, since the Germans allegedly have a moral debt to Ukraine for the two occupations of the peninsula.

      Let Germany help Ukraine build and equip boarding schools for the mentally ill and mentally disabled with the appropriate equipment. fool
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 15 2021 12: 59
        +3
        Andriy Melnik, the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, who is notable for his intolerant stance towards Russia, "distinguished himself" with another statement. This time, he threatened the West with returning Ukraine's nuclear status if it is not urgently admitted to NATO.


        Here's how ... The ultimatum presented. As an ambassador of "independent", apparently first of all, Germany, blocking the path of the Outskirts to NATO.

        Blackmail uniform yes ... And what, so get away with it?
      2. Maikcg
        Maikcg April 15 2021 13: 20
        0
        Germany will help ... Aktion Tiergartenstraße 4 like in the old days.
      3. lidda47
        lidda47 April 15 2021 13: 34
        +1
        Well this is a lope there must be opened psychiatric hospitals ... it's scary to imagine ... Will Germany survive?
      4. BARKAS
        BARKAS April 15 2021 13: 50
        +3
        Let Germany help Ukraine build and equip boarding schools for the mentally ill and mentally disabled with the appropriate equipment. fool

        Everything is already built, it remains to change the sign at the embassy.
        1. alexniko77
          alexniko77 April 15 2021 14: 19
          0
          and a coat of arms, instead of a mace there will be a yellow syringe, and instead of a trident - a blue straitjacket, the flag is canceled ...
      5. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 April 15 2021 15: 28
        +1
        Long-sleeved shirts and we have enough for banderlog, and we will find something to shut up.
    3. halpat
      halpat April 15 2021 13: 10
      +3
      Quote: hydroy
      One zrada for іnshoyu so well so and so, a)

      nuclear ... why not thermonuclear?
      the second sounds more weighty laughing
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg April 15 2021 13: 22
        +6
        Thermonuclear, therefore, a heated nuclear, and Pan Ataman has no gas.
        1. halpat
          halpat April 15 2021 13: 23
          +1
          request
          Not taken into account wassat excuse me
          laughing
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 15 2021 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: MaikCG
          Pan ataman has no gazu

          And that's not true! Biogas , they have more than enough there yes

          Look, what a stench is ... Mercaptan fool , or something, they gobbled up there what ?
        3. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose April 15 2021 15: 15
          0
          Quote: MaikCG
          Thermonuclear, therefore, is a heated nuclear, and Pan Ataman has no gas.

          That core can be dumb. Neither 3-pound nor 5-pound. Zaporozhtsi all vitrail. And the nuclear status has not yet been returned.
    4. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 April 15 2021 14: 40
      -1
      Yaka is zrada? Well this is a client of ward number 6 - give him a "nuclear" button and the consequences for the World will be irreversible ... I hope they understand this even over the hill?
    5. Jaromir
      Jaromir April 15 2021 15: 44
      +2
      I keep trying to remember when Ukraine was a nuclear power? request
      if Ukraine is not accepted into the alliance for protection from the "Russian aggressor"

      Why, if the Western occupants and local Nazi collaborators are already in charge in Ukraine?
    6. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 15 2021 17: 37
      0
      Rzhu nimagu))) people with an extreme degree of mental retardation are appointed to the post of ambassador?))) How is the settlement going to return its nuclear status?))) Nuclear weapons will be made from dung and straw?)))
    7. sniperino
      sniperino April 16 2021 02: 30
      0
      Quote: hydroy
      One zrada for іnshoyu so well so and so, a)
      I caught a comment on the network that somehow explains what is happening
      Poroshenko said he will not allow Zelensky the clown to turn the pigsty into a circus
    8. max702
      max702 April 16 2021 09: 46
      0
      .List of wishlists in 404:
      1. Javelins
      2. Patriots
      3. Nuclear weapons
      4. Hammer of Thor
      5. Ring of Omnipotence
      Have you forgotten anything?
  2. hydroy
    hydroy April 15 2021 12: 46
    +1
    And what about Ukraine to give nuclear weapons, Panov
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 15 2021 12: 58
      +6
      Quote: hydroy
      And what about Ukraine to give nuclear weapons, Panov

      They will give ...
      1. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman April 15 2021 13: 08
        +1
        They won't. Not for that they took away at the collapse.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 April 15 2021 13: 56
          +3
          During the collapse, no one thought that Russia would not only keep its nuclear weapons, but also revive the army over time, so that everything could change. hi
        2. ironic
          ironic April 15 2021 23: 53
          0
          So they signed to preserve the territorial integrity, but the technologies for the production of nuclear weapons in Ukraine remained. Little money and big corruption, yes.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su April 16 2021 09: 29
            0
            Quote: ironic
            So they signed to preserve the territorial integrity,

            It is unlikely that they signed up against the right to self-determination.
            1. ironic
              ironic April 18 2021 12: 48
              +1
              The right to self-determination is in accordance with the laws of the country under which it is carried out. In the case of Ukraine, this is defined only as a general referendum, not a local one.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su April 19 2021 08: 16
                0
                I think that international law will ultimately favor a local referendum. For in Kosovo, even a local referendum was not required. So Ukraine was unlucky here with benefactors, who had previously shown that the right of the strong is the only respected international law.
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 19 2021 17: 40
                  0
                  It will not relate to him from the position I can because it is mine, but Crimea will not return back either. Everyone understands this. Therefore, if you try to resolve the conflict, then you need to compensate Ukraine for the loss. It will be a reasonable decision and then an agreement is possible.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su April 16 2021 09: 33
            0
            Quote: ironic
            and the technologies for the production of nuclear weapons in Ukraine remained

            Why can't Ukraine produce nuclear fuel for its nuclear power plants then? In the states it buys ...
            You probably wanted to say what kind of nuclear charges remained?
            Have ensign Sidorenko accidentally lost a couple of kilotons in the beds?
            1. ironic
              ironic April 18 2021 12: 50
              +1
              So they do not develop nuclear technologies until ... it’s not profitable to revive production, which is unlikely to be recouped in the foreseeable future. This can only be done for material damage for military purposes.
              Here's what the charges were, I'm almost sure not, even taking into account the Ukrainian warrant officers.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 15 2021 13: 02
      +2
      Quote: hydroy
      And what about Ukraine to give nuclear weapons, Panov


      Moreover, the West itself - which the Outskirts threaten by blackmailing, will itself take all real and unrealistic measures to prevent this from happening.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 15 2021 22: 34
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        The West, which is threatened by Outskirts by blackmail, will itself take all real and unrealistic measures to prevent this from happening.

        Why take it? There are no Soviet nuclear technologies left on the Outskirts, and it is necessary to restore them or develop new scientific and technical potential, and that too is not left. So all the nuclear that the outskirts can do is shout loudly "Mother is yadren!"
        1. ironic
          ironic April 15 2021 23: 56
          0
          Left. Kharkov to help. Fading. Another thing is it good? It is worth considering here, huh?
      2. ironic
        ironic April 15 2021 23: 54
        0
        It is highly undesirable to turn a Mr. that has abandoned nuclear weapons into a nuclear weapon developing technologies again.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 15 2021 12: 48
    +8
    They talk like they are delirious ... In a dream, or on drugs? Nuclear weapons to Banderlogists? Well, it's definitely not in this life.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 15 2021 23: 58
      -1
      You probably don't know how many; there were scientific research reactors in Ukraine. I will learn. My grandmother worked at one of them. It is not necessary to authorize the return of a country that has abandoned nuclear weapons back, this is bad. Very bad.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter April 16 2021 00: 18
        0
        Quote: ironic
        You probably don't know how many; there were scientific research reactors in Ukraine

        From a research reactor to nuclear weapons for many years and many, many billions. And if you can still find time, then the second ... In the country of the victorious Maidan? Three ha ha two times ...
        1. ironic
          ironic April 16 2021 00: 59
          -1
          And the first cannon was created in just a year, with the participation of my grandmother when I was. All of Europe claimed three times in a year haha. Then there was no haha ​​at the pre-conference.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter April 16 2021 01: 48
            0
            Quote: ironic
            And the first cannon was created in just a year, with the participation of my grandmother when I was.

            Which gun? What does nuclear weapons and your grandmother have to do with it?
            1. ironic
              ironic April 16 2021 02: 00
              -1
              Are you trying to play stupid? What for? My grandmother was the head of the department of scientific research of medical radiology at the reactor in Pomerki.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter April 16 2021 02: 07
                0
                Quote: ironic

                0
                Are you trying to play stupid? What for? My grandmother was the head of the department of scientific research of medical radiology at the reactor in Pomerki.

                So what kind of gun are we talking about? Cobalt? For oncology therapy? I can assure you that such devices have absolutely nothing to do with nuclear weapons ... As well as isotope therapy or diagnostics.
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 16 2021 02: 27
                  -1
                  Truth? Do you know how Cobalt-60 is made from Cobalt-59?
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter April 16 2021 06: 39
                    0
                    Quote: ironic
                    Truth? Do you know how Cobalt-60 is made from Cobalt-59?

                    Imagine yes. I know. And I know a lot more. And you? Do you know how 235 uranium and 238 are separated? In what reactors and modes is plutonium-239 produced? How much is needed to make at least one charge?
                    1. ironic
                      ironic April 18 2021 12: 43
                      0
                      Yes, I know. I still received a higher technical education in the USSR, and also read with interest everything that could be read in open sources.
                      1. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter April 18 2021 12: 47
                        0
                        Quote: ironic
                        I still got a higher technical education in the USSR

                        It's good. I have a university physics department. What is your faculty?
                      2. ironic
                        ironic April 18 2021 13: 15
                        +1
                        Promelectronics, but still ... The first courses, most of physics had similar, if not volumes, then topics, and then the division of specialties ruled.
                        And if you know well how a cobalt glass for a medical gun is obtained, then how much will the technology of producing a cobalt shell for a warhead differ fundamentally, which by an explosion of a nuclear fuse (the same 5Kt of a low-power warhead) will turn into this very cobalt glass, scattered over the areas, only the total weight of the scattered will not be glass at all?
                      3. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter April 18 2021 13: 40
                        0
                        Quote: ironic
                        guns, then how much will the technology of producing a cobalt shell for a warhead differ in principle, which by an explosion of a nuclear fuse (the same 5Kt of a low-power warhead) will turn into this very cobalt glass, scattered over the areas, only the total weight of the scattered one will not be a glass at all

                        Cobalt bomb? Something cannibalistic. Such ammunition is not in service.
                        Rather, a theoretical development. I did not pass the tests, as far as I remember. All the same, nuclear physics has been read to us for more than one year. And even laboratories ... Yes, and that was ...
                      4. ironic
                        ironic April 18 2021 14: 13
                        0
                        I agree that it is cannibalistic, but there is a theoretical basis, as well as an example of a threat with such ammunition, albeit in a different configuration and power, is also available. I specifically gave an extreme, but possible example. And this is not at all from a desire to see its implementation.
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su April 16 2021 09: 36
          +1
          Quote: ironic
          My grandmother was the head of the department of scientific research of medical radiology at the reactor in Pomerki.

          And sent you to study in America? Is it there that you learned Russian so badly?
          1. ironic
            ironic April 18 2021 12: 45
            +1
            No, I received my first higher education in the USSR, and I write with mistakes in all languages ​​that I know. I am dyslexic and do not see my mistakes. Of course, I've been to America more than once, but I don't live there. And yes, the Russian language has long been not the main language of my communication.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su April 19 2021 08: 21
              0
              Sorry, I didn't know that mentally retarded people speak several languages ​​and are in America. but further discussion in this case is meaningless.
              1. ironic
                ironic April 19 2021 17: 36
                0
                And I didn’t know that you’re so illiterate that you think dyslexia is mental retardation. Read at least the wiki so that you don't look mentally retarded yourself. negative fool
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su April 19 2021 22: 37
                  0
                  Quote: ironic
                  Read at least the wiki so that you don't look mentally retarded yourself.

                  Yes, I read it right away, a new word, all the same. And I call things by their proper names. Happen!
                2. ironic
                  ironic April 20 2021 12: 53
                  0
                  Those. looked at the book and saw a fig, as my school teacher liked to say. Happy.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 15 2021 12: 49
    +5
    When the Germans get tired of enduring antics quarter95... request
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 April 15 2021 13: 57
      +2
      Exactly when Germany will become an independent state again, having driven the American occupiers from their lands. hi
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 00
      0
      So what? Are they capable of stopping the revival of research centers like the Pomerkovsky reactor? This is just a function of money.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 16 2021 01: 05
        0
        Quote: ironic
        This is just a function of money.

        "Where is the money, Zin?" © V. Vysotsky
        1. ironic
          ironic April 16 2021 01: 10
          0
          This is a question, but go and know what is the answer to it? There may not be much, but for this ...
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  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 April 15 2021 12: 51
    +4
    Yeah ... The more I listen to them, the more I think that they are just fooling around and trolling the West. Because people simply cannot be SUCH idiots.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 15 2021 13: 05
      +17
      I could not resist, so as not to repeat!
      1. ironic
        ironic April 16 2021 00: 03
        0
        And then the whole world will joke about the Cobalt-59 reactor for medical research in Pomerki near Khrkov?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 16 2021 01: 19
          0
          Quote: ironic
          And then the whole world will joke about the Cobalt-59 reactor for medical research in Pomerki near Khrkov?

          A research reactor producing Co59 and an industrial reactor producing Pu239 are, as they said in Odessa before the Independence, two big differences. Here the Chernobyl RBMKs were just sharpened for the production of weapons-grade plutonium, and thank God that the Outskirts wrote them off. It is possible, of course, to make a uranium bomb, but even Iran, rowing with a shovel of petrodollars, does it slowly. Is there oil for sale on / in the outskirts?
          1. ironic
            ironic April 16 2021 01: 36
            0
            The question is what to do? Iran makes a 10Kt warhead to the missile, which is supposed to fly 2K kilometers, having run into an echeloned missile defense system of a very small and assembled air defense stance of the country, like a good boxer who has trained for many years, and does Ukraine need it to inflict unacceptable damage?
    2. Jaromir
      Jaromir April 15 2021 15: 53
      +3
      Quote: Pavel73
      People simply cannot be such idiots

      cannot, but there are always exceptions laughing
      1. ironic
        ironic April 16 2021 00: 04
        0
        And if God forbid this is a mistake, what then? The last laugh before the grandchildren?
    3. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 01
      0
      And can people be idiots who are not aware of the danger of such a return? This is just a function of money.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 15 2021 12: 51
    +5
    They (Okraintsy) all ministers and ambassadors are as one graduates of a psychiatric hospital and think in their own wishlist, far from reality. But they really want to steal more from the budget of this strange territory - they can't call it a country. fool
    1. hydroy
      hydroy April 15 2021 12: 52
      +2
      Quasi-state))))))))))))
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 09
      0
      And what will we do with the experience of medical all-union radio research in Ukraine? Shall we pretend that there were none or that Cobalt-60 needs more than a few hundred tons in the explosions of a four-stage nuclear weapons system to interrupt the entire civilization, right up to the disappearance of cockroaches? request
  • Zaval
    Zaval April 15 2021 12: 52
    +5
    Either Ukraine joins NATO, or regains its nuclear status

    Such "ultimatums" will most likely lead to "catastrophic consequences for the Ukrainian statehood", which, in my opinion, is not the worst way out of the Ukrainian problematic for both Russia and the "world community."
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 10
      0
      And the world community like this does not threaten anything?
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. April 15 2021 12: 52
    +2
    Declaring the return of the nuclear status to Ukraine, Melnik does not take into account one thing - no one will allow Kiev, including the United States.


    And what, all nuclear reactors have been shut down in Ukraine? Reactors are working, "reactor plutonium" is being produced
    Plutonium is produced in any nuclear reactor fueled by natural or low-enriched uranium, containing mainly the isotope 238U, by capturing excess neutrons. But as the reactor operates, the weapon-grade isotope of plutonium quickly burns out, as a result, a large amount of isotopes 240Pu, 241Pu and 242Pu accumulates in the reactor.

    In principle, all these difficulties are surmountable, and nuclear explosive devices from "reactor" plutonium have been successfully tested.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy April 15 2021 12: 54
      +8
      Then, Russia can calmly neutralize the terrorist state represented by Ukraine!
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. April 16 2021 08: 56
        0
        Quote: hydroy
        Then, Russia can calmly neutralize the terrorist state represented by Ukraine!


        Do you have a way to do it without bloodshed?

        Strike a nuclear reactor like Israel did in Iraq?
        Bad way, war in the center of Europe ...

        It's simpler - Ukraine "bury" itself when such figures come to power - the best way to control and not prevent them from doing their dirty work for us.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy April 16 2021 16: 05
          0
          Yes, only their job is to bring Russia into the war, while still having time to hide and escape anywhere!
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 15 2021 13: 11
      +6
      Reactors are working, "reactor plutonium" is being produced

      It's kind of yes, but actually no. To extract Plutonium-239 from there, centrifuges are needed. Whole football fields of centrifuges. Ukraine does not have this. Just as there is no capacity for processing nuclear materials. So all they can do is put together a "dirty" bomb on their knees, from which they will rather get sick.
      So ... to open your mouth is not to roll bags ...
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter April 15 2021 13: 52
        +3
        Plutonium is separated chemically - its chemical properties differ from uranium and other metals in the fuel rod.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 15 2021 14: 01
          +1
          It's clear. But chemically, you get a mixture of plutonium isotopes that are unsuitable for nuclear weapons. You still have to clean up. It was not for nothing that I indicated the required isotope.
          Moreover, plutonium for a bomb is quite expensive, therefore Uranium-235 is used, from plutonium only "fuse". And the 235th also needs to be cleaned!
          In general, no matter how we argue, Ukraine will never have nuclear weapons.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter April 15 2021 14: 09
            +4
            In general, no matter how we argue, Ukraine will never have nuclear weapons.
            This is yes. Otherwise, they will share a little money with the suffering from Turkey to Kiribati. Plutonium, originally formed from uranium, does not seem to be centrifuged - they simply do not burn out the fuel rods, minimizing the content of unwanted isotopes - primarily Pu 240, actively emitting neutrons. It is not possible to completely get rid of, therefore, there is a certain decay, and warheads need to be thermostated and reprocessed (which is precisely the reason for the high cost). - at reactor B), and they did not have centrifuges at that time.
            1. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. April 16 2021 08: 49
              +1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              So, in "Manhattan" it was received in the required quantities (and received) at the reactor x-10 (then at the reactor B), and then they did not have centrifuges.


              Reasonable remark, and here some, fables about "football fields of centrifuges" are sung, not remembering that this technology appeared later than the first nuclear bombs.
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich April 15 2021 21: 10
            0
            Quote: Wedmak

            In general, no matter how we argue, Ukraine will never have nuclear weapons.
            cannon with cannonballs - nuclear weapon
            Nuclear weapon soldier
            1. ironic
              ironic April 16 2021 00: 13
              -1
              Ukraine is the homeland of Soviet cobalt guns .... so that it does not become black humor. am
      2. sniperino
        sniperino April 16 2021 03: 34
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        all they can do is to put together a "dirty" bomb on their knees, from which they will rather get sick.
        They have 4 nuclear power plants for this. It seems that Yarosh frightened them.
      3. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. April 16 2021 08: 46
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        To extract Plutonium-239 from there, centrifuges are needed. Whole football fields of centrifuges.

        Once again, we carefully read the quote:
        But as the reactor operates, the weapons-grade isotope of plutonium (that is, 239Pu) quickly burns out, eventually the reactor accumulates a large number of isotopes 240Pu, 241Pu and 242Pu

        The point is that, technically, the isotopes of plutonium (the so-called "reactor" plutonium) 240Pu 241Pu 242Pu are sufficient for the manufacture of nuclear charges. More complex and less reliable devices will be obtained, but they are quite working - this is the way to create nuclear weapons without enriching 239Pu.
        For those who "believe" in the football fields of centrifuges - look more broadly at the technical process.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 15 2021 13: 22
      +4
      For this, firstly, technology is needed, and secondly, a lot of money to implement. I am already silent about scientists and specialists. Institutes and bureaus. As you understand it is not there. Taking into account the complete dependence on the countries that the figs will allow them, even in theory, all these are fairy tales
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. April 16 2021 09: 37
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I am already silent about scientists and specialists. Institutes and bureaus. As you can imagine, this is not there.


        Somewhere I have already heard a similar statement:
        Washington believed that the USSR would be able to create its own nuclear weapons no earlier than 1955.
        AND...?
        First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Nikita Khrushchev advised the Chairman of the Communist Party of China Mao Zedong to abandon nuclear projects due to the lack of the necessary scientific and industrial base, as well as financial resources (on April 10, 1955, the PRC and the USSR signed an agreement on the construction of a cyclotron and a nuclear reactor in China ). In the late 1950s, a diplomatic conflict broke out between China and the USSR.
        China already had certain developments, technical baggage, and in 1964 it was able to test atomic weapons on its own in a confrontation with the Soviet Union.
        .

        There are 15 power units in operation at Ukrainian NPPs, of which 13 - with VVER-1000 reactors and 2 - VVER-440. Some of them were completed on their own.
        Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Igor Nasalik said in January 2019: “Over the past three years, we have begun construction of four nuclear facilities. One of them is the construction of a nuclear fuel production plant in Ukraine


        National Technical University of Ukraine (Kiev Polytechnic Institute), Odessa National Polytechnic University, National University Lviv Polytechnic - there are departments for training nuclear energy specialists. Not gunsmiths, of course.
        1. Dali
          Dali April 17 2021 10: 25
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          National Technical University of Ukraine (Kiev Polytechnic Institute), Odessa National Polytechnic University, National University Lviv Polytechnic - there are departments for training nuclear energy specialists. Not gunsmiths, of course.

          Even in Russia (compare the state with Ukraine), the brain drain has not been stopped ... What kind of personnel there may be - the remnants will soon disappear into retirement (or wherever else).
          The non-essential can create nuclear weapons only if the United States fits into this business ...

          And the reactors are now, and tomorrow they are nuclear waste and that's it.

          Ukraine has no time, no money, no personnel ... they passed this topic - the point of no return was in 2014.
    4. Maikcg
      Maikcg April 15 2021 13: 26
      +2
      These difficulties can be overcome in 1 (or possibly 2, although there are already doubts for America) states in the world, and Ukraine is clearly not it. Pravoseki will quickly run out of plutonium from fuel rods
    5. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 11
      -1
      Plutonium is not the most dangerous substance that the USSR developed in Ukraine.
  • Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 12: 54
    +5
    Most likely, Ukraine goes to ..., that is, it ceases to exist.
    Damn, not only are they terrorizing us, they also decided to blackmail Europe.
    I wonder how long this mongrel will still be tolerated?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 15 2021 13: 09
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      not only are they terrorizing us, they also decided to blackmail Europe.
      I wonder how long this mongrel will still be tolerated?

      I can imagine what feelings such statements can cause in the Germans and in the EU in general.
      But it is unlikely that they will inflate there. Rather, they will simply extinguish the heat.
      The outskirts are still needed as Anti-Russia.
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 13: 23
        +4
        Rather, they just dim the heat

        Well, they usually shoot mad dogs.
        I hope that here, too, common sense prevails over political expediency.
        1. Ruslan Sulima
          Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 13: 48
          +2
          Minus smiled. Does anyone think rabies is curable?
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 15 2021 13: 55
          0
          Quote: Ruslan Sulima
          Well, they usually shoot mad dogs.
          I hope that here, too, common sense prevails over political expediency.

          That's when all political and economic plans against Russia will be realized, or useless, then ...
          And even then, they themselves will not get dirty, but set the enraged territory on us, and, accordingly, Russia.
          In order to then present claims to Russia for the inhumane attitude towards animals.

          As it was already in 2008, with the "overreaction" of the Russian Federation to the aggression of Georgia ...
          1. Ruslan Sulima
            Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 14: 06
            +1
            As it was already in 2008, with the "overreaction" of the Russian Federation to the aggression of Georgia ...

            It seems to me that the situation is seriously different from the Georgian version. Everything was quietly prepared there. And here everything is insolent since 2014 and still there is no result. Raised a mad dog, and zero exhaust! It's easier to shoot than to feed, treatment is not a word at all.
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 14
      0
      This is more dangerous than you think. No one dies without consequence these days.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 15 2021 12: 55
    +1
    However, the spring exacerbation ... in no way the Ukrainian ambassador suffers from a severe form of schizophrenia.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 16
      -1
      And if not? What then? Who will handle this? And will it cope?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 15 2021 12: 55
    +3
    The ambassador warned that if Ukraine is not accepted into the alliance to protect itself from the "Russian aggressor", Kiev will make its own efforts to arm the army, including returning its nuclear status.

    Again he was pricked by the "Afghan", carried our bay. If the boat cannot work, or the toilet bowl, then what could be a thought about the nuclear program.
    The Germans are already laughing at such a statement.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 17
      0
      It is more difficult to create a life-support system than a suicide system with fatal consequences for others.
  • Souchastnik
    Souchastnik April 15 2021 12: 56
    +8
    Soon the West will understand that it is better and safer to tear Ukraine apart. Independent, it is not only unnecessary to anyone, but also becomes dangerous due to its uncontrollability. "Monkey with a grenade". She also wants to get a nuclear fuse.
  • Dharma
    Dharma April 15 2021 12: 57
    0
    I would love to see the return of nuclear status to Ukraine. For some reason, it seems to me that no one, neither in Europe nor in the United States, needs this and would have followed sanctions.

    And it also has a funny correlation with other news:

    "In Kiev, announced the construction of its own cartridge factories"

    ... but they are still thinking of starting to receive weapons-grade plutonium laughing
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 15 2021 13: 23
      -2
      Sanctions?)
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 18
      -1
      Did the sanctions help a lot to change the policy of the Russian Federation? request
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 15 2021 12: 58
    +7
    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
    Declaring the return of the nuclear status to Ukraine, Melnik does not take into account one thing - no one will allow Kiev, including the United States.


    And what, all nuclear reactors have been shut down in Ukraine? Reactors are working, "reactor plutonium" is being produced
    Plutonium is produced in any nuclear reactor fueled by natural or low-enriched uranium, containing mainly the isotope 238U, by capturing excess neutrons. But as the reactor operates, the weapon-grade isotope of plutonium quickly burns out, as a result, a large amount of isotopes 240Pu, 241Pu and 242Pu accumulates in the reactor.

    In principle, all these difficulties are surmountable, and nuclear explosive devices from "reactor" plutonium have been successfully tested.

    Yes, all their nuclear power plants in this unfinished state are nuclear weapons, which, with their "skillful" maintenance, can break off at any moment. The West itself will not want to give the ukronatsio monkey a nuclear grenade, because it is not clear what is in the minds of these crazy rulers of the pseudo-state.
    1. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 13: 15
      +3
      Yes, all of their nuclear power plants

      By the way, yes. Already somehow information flashed on the intentions to crank up provocations at the stations. One thing only saves - they want to live more for now.
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 19
      0
      Does the West know what is happening now, say, in Pomerki?
      1. Dali
        Dali April 17 2021 10: 27
        0
        Quote: ironic
        Does the West know what is happening now, say, in Pomerki?

        laughing laughing laughing

        You have been under US control for a long time ...
        1. ironic
          ironic April 18 2021 12: 02
          0
          Who are you? On VO, it is customary for users to make broad and extremely stupid generalizations ...
  • Andrey Kirilenko_2
    Andrey Kirilenko_2 April 15 2021 12: 58
    +2
    Spring aggravation in woodpeckers
  • K-50
    K-50 April 15 2021 12: 59
    +3
    Andriy Melnik, the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, who is notable for his intolerant stance towards Russia, "distinguished himself" with another statement. This time, he threatened the West with returning Ukraine's nuclear status if it is not urgently admitted to NATO.

    So big and formidable that he decided to issue ultimatums? belay fellow laughing
    How will you return it? Will you pick it up from the reactor and throw yourself? fellow wassat
    Everything that Ukraine could invent in scientific activity, safely rode on the Maidan. Now there are only villagers left, but they can only rake out from under the cow and throw themselves away !!! fellow laughing
    1. Dude
      Dude April 15 2021 14: 01
      +1
      Everything that Ukraine could invent in scientific activity, safely rode on the Maidan. Now there are only villagers left, but they can only rake out from under the cow and throw themselves away !!!
      Tell me, do you really do you think so? So, right away, all the scientists took it and ended it? Universities are overgrown with forests, not a single research institute works, and only some villagers, as in the time of Nikolai Vasilyevich, sit by greasy candles, drink a throat, and wait for dumplings from a cast iron to jump into their mouths?
      In my opinion, to think like this - most dangerous delusion.
      Back in 2014, would-be patriots in Russia, shouted at every corner: "Ukrainians will freeze! The outskirts will fall apart!"
      Not frozen. Didn't fall apart. They live, they live, but they chew straws.
      When someone tells you that they are going to kill you, take it as seriously as possible.
      So I would not throw caps up. This threat must be taken seriously. And, if necessary, react as quickly and as hard as possible. Something like how Israel reacts to the nuclear programs of its neighbors.
      1. K-50
        K-50 April 15 2021 14: 14
        +1
        Well, if you look at it from the point of view of economics, then I’m hardly mistaken.
        Iran, possessing large reserves, cannot build anything, absolutely, not in this decade. request
        At the same time, he possesses a large scientific school and scientists. There is no such thing left in Ukraine. Maybe there is someone, like some kind of administrator, but this is clearly not enough to create centrifuges for enrichment.
        On the other hand, will uraine be allowed to return to the status of a nuclear power? Are you seriously? belay
        The fact that gayropeans and pin to shiki are flirting with them and encouraging them to talk to Russia does not mean, does not mean at all that they want to see nuclear weapons from another country, especially such as Ukraine !! They also want to live, and in normal conditions, and not on radioactive territory !!! Considering how the politicians of the 404 country behave, they will die but will not allow it !! hi
        1. Dude
          Dude April 15 2021 14: 33
          +3
          At the same time, he possesses a large scientific school and scientists. There is no such thing left in Ukraine. Maybe there is someone, like some kind of administrator, but this is clearly not enough to create centrifuges for enrichment.
          There is undoubtedly an outflow of serious specialists from Ukraine. But do not forget - there were a lot of scientific personnel there, maybe some of them were smart and stayed. They also had a school, and oh, what not weak, including in the area under discussion. So, as they say - hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I would keep my ears open.
          On the other hand, will uraine be allowed to return to the status of a nuclear power? Are you seriously?
          I don’t know. There are enough bad hawks in the United States and Albion. In addition, there is no need for a lot of charges to sensitively take us by the yayla. Intercontinental delivery vehicles - too. So, they will not be able to threaten America, but they will not be able to threaten us. Profit for the striped ones. No radioactive territories will appear in Massachusetts, and traditionally, no one will ask Europe.
          So, again, I would be on my guard quite seriously. Don't panic, but also don't underestimate the situation.
          hi
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 21
      -1
      Most of the scientific medical advances in the field of radioactive cobalt have been developed and created in Ukraine. Would you like it to be revived as weapons grade Cobalt? request
      1. Dali
        Dali April 17 2021 10: 30
        +1
        Quote: ironic
        Most of the scientific medical advances in the field of radioactive cobalt have been developed and created in Ukraine. Would you like it to be revived as weapons grade Cobalt?
        Not in Ukraine, but in the Soviet Union!
        1. ironic
          ironic April 18 2021 12: 00
          0
          Yes, you are right, it was territorially in Ukraine in the USSR. I am ready to agree with such an amendment, but unlike you, I am not sure that none of this can be revived and I would not want it to be checked in practice.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 15 2021 13: 00
    +3
    Well, the idiot made the people laugh ... Let them also assign themselves the status of "Great Diamond Empire" and "Center of the Universe" ..
    1. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 13: 16
      +3
      "Center of the Universe"

      Wasn't Darth Vader Ukrainian?)
      I somehow took part in the elections)
      1. Evil 55
        Evil 55 April 15 2021 14: 30
        +1
        This one is hardly heavy in buckles, but Master Yoda is clearly the hypostasis of Dmitry Yarosh, re-educated in Russian penal servitude ..))
        1. Ruslan Sulima
          Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 14: 42
          -1
          Dmitry Yarosh

          By the way, yes) it would be tamped down a little more to the appropriate size)
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 23
      0
      But what if you will acquire the center of a dirty bomb with power on the European continent? Will be good? Can this be stopped by sanctions?
      1. Dali
        Dali April 17 2021 10: 34
        0
        Quote: ironic
        But what if you will acquire the center of a dirty bomb with power on the European continent? Will be good? Can this be stopped by sanctions?

        Think about this thought, "He's an eater, who should I give him?" - I hope you know MOV? laughing
        1. ironic
          ironic April 18 2021 11: 59
          0
          You can understand, but I'm not a native speaker of the Ukrainian language. And what if you're wrong? request
  • Gato
    Gato April 15 2021 13: 02
    +4
    But they told Zelensky - you shouldn't allow medical cannabis ... Then you won't get enough of haloperidol No.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 15 2021 13: 03
    +8
    What the heck? When was Krajina a nuclear state? belay Nuclear weapons belonged to the Soviet Union ... after the official establishment of the status of Russia as the legal successor of the USSR, nuclear weapons legally belonged to the Russian Federation! Russia is a nuclear state under international law! Krajina cannot "regain" the status of a nuclear state; she didn't have it! In this case, it is worth recalling the "experience" of Israel, suppressing the "nuclear dreams" of Arabs and Iranians!
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 56
      0
      The question is whether it will work out and how it can end, if this is not an empty threat?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 16 2021 01: 49
        0
        Quote: ironic
        The question is whether it will work out and how it can end, if this is not an empty threat?

        Hopefully. That will not work ... to create a real nuclear weapons is not as easy as blurt out in words! There are enough "dreamy" threats from Ukraine .... "the fool is getting richer with a dummy ..."! And yet it is unpleasant to hear such a thing! We must answer! In short, it is necessary to "drown" the land according to the "full program"! (What can you do if it begs itself?) I do not call for "bombing" it ... but it is necessary to arrange "sanctions" for the whole country in order to "bring" the country's economy even closer to the "early Middle Ages" ... so that xoxlanduya "physically" could not make nuclear weapons! And once again I will remind you about the Israeli "experience"!
        1. ironic
          ironic April 16 2021 01: 58
          0
          Let's be adequate. Ukraine has abandoned nuclear weapons and has a rather sickly scientific touch from the USSR behind its back, this is not Iran or Iraq or Syria. She gave up nuclear weapons and received international guarantees of her territorial integrity, which were not observed. The West considers them de jure violated. Those. there is a sickly bundle of problems that the Israeli experience never fits into.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 16 2021 03: 18
            0
            Quote: ironic
            Ukraine abandoned nuclear weapons having a healthy scientific backlog of the USSR behind its back,

            One backlog of the former state may not be enough ... you also need to have a penny! In addition, the groundwork can and can be easily lost, as the post-Soviet history of Russia says ... yes, and Ukraine too! Ukraine has "abandoned" nuclear weapons? Which one? From what belonged to the USSR or from what "theoretically" could create? The fact that there are "mountains of weapons" left in the former Soviet republics, incl. and nuclear weapons, the liberal regime of EBN is to blame (of course, Yeltsin himself)! At that time, only the Soviet Armed Forces existed, which obeyed the overwhelming majority of Russia! It was possible to "withdraw" heavy weapons and nuclear weapons from the territory of these republics ... the problems concerned only logistics! And the legal basis could be tailored! (Nuclear weapons and other weapons belong to the USSR ... the legal successor of the USSR is the Russian Federation ... the Russian Federation decides: to whom and how much to leave!). Problems with heavy weapons and nuclear weapons left from the "hangover" on the territory of the former Soviet republics were created by the then Russian leadership, headed by Yeltsin! Liberators, sir!
            1. ironic
              ironic April 16 2021 03: 24
              +1
              Let's start from what existed. Everything was created by the USSR. Much on the territory of Ukraine. Ukraine, at the request of the USSR, was a subject in the UN. After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine could well have retained the potential of nuclear weapons. She refused in exchange for guarantees of her territorial integrity and it was an international treaty. What she could or could not keep is already the lyrics. What can or cannot restore is no longer lyrics, and not a child's question, but what can, because the agreement has been violated and the consequences of such restoration, if we are all mistaken, that they cannot, can be catastrophic. For this is happening against the background of a violation of the contract.
              1. Dali
                Dali April 17 2021 10: 40
                0
                Quote: ironic
                After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine could well have retained the potential of nuclear weapons. She refused in exchange for guarantees of her territorial integrity and it was an international treaty.

                I couldn't even if I wanted to ...
                Well ... in order to demand something from someone, you have to observe a lot of things yourself.
                And your outskirts fell under the West, brought the Banderaites to power, banned the Russian language ... already this is more than enough. It may be recalled that the same West promised not to expand NATO's borders ...
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 18 2021 11: 56
                  0
                  Neither you nor I know this beforehand. It all depends on the ability to mobilize certain forces for certain actions.

                  Ukraine is in fact oriented more to the west today. Zelensky is not a Banderite, although the Banderites really raised their heads, which is sad. The Russian language is not forbidden. At least in Kharkov, this is not felt at all. The West promised, the Russian Federation promised ... a lot of what was promised has not been fulfilled ...
              2. Popov I.P.
                Popov I.P. 3 May 2021 19: 33
                0
                You can't give up what you don't have. There has never been Ukrainian nuclear weapons, and nuclear weapons of the former USSR were located on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. USSR President M.S. Gorbachev, on the last day of the existence of the USSR, by his decree transferred control of the strategic nuclear forces of the USSR to the President of the Russian Federation B.N. Yeltsin (including a nuclear suitcase, not Kravchuk or Shushkevich). In the national style of Ukrainians to grab everything that is bad, the Rada tried to declare all the armaments of the USSR on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR as their property, with varying success. As for the nuclear weapons and the Black Sea Fleet, this was not very successful. American nuclear weapons are located in the territories of Turkey, Germany and South Korea, if one of these countries declares ownership of it, then its owner will quickly accuse it of nuclear terrorism. Unfortunately B.N. Yeltsin did not take such a tough position, which is why the myth about Ukrainian nuclear weapons was born. Even in the case of the physical seizure of nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Ukraine itself would never have been able to use it, because the systems of code blocking and prevention of unauthorized actions practically cannot be hacked. Economically wealthy states can afford to have nuclear weapons (as an exception, totalitarian ones like the DPRK and then by exerting all their forces and resources), its storage, maintenance and operation is a very expensive pleasure. With regard to nuclear weapons, there are very stringent requirements for storage regimes, warranty and designer supervision of the industry (and all the developers of nuclear weapons and manufacturers - enterprises of the nuclear weapons complex were reasonably located on the territory of the RSFSR), without this nuclear weapons becomes very dangerous for the territory itself, where located. And the West didn't need a new nuclear "power" either. Therefore, all the nuclear weapons of the former USSR were removed to the territory of the Russian Federation and disposed of there. And the Budapest Memorandum is not a Treaty, it is essentially a protocol of intent, not ratified by anyone. The question of the status of the Memorandum as a legally binding document for the parties raised doubts already at the moment of signing. For example, Leonid Kuchma, who signed it, stated that French President Francois Mitterrand, who was present in Budapest at the signing, expressed confidence that it would not be executed. Former President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk in an interview with the German agency Deutsche Welle (DW) said that the Budapest Memorandum was only a formality, since in fact Kiev was powerless. "It would cost us $ 65 billion (53 billion euros) and the state coffers were empty," Kravchuk said. In addition, the West threatened Ukraine with isolation, as missiles with nuclear warheads were aimed at the United States. Therefore, the only possible solution, according to Kravchuk, was to abandon claims for nuclear weapons and declare a nuclear-free status. At one time, the USSR, under the leadership of an outstanding organizer L.P. Beria quickly created a nuclear industry from scratch, but this required a gigantic strain of all the human and financial resources of the giant country. Whether modern Ukraine is capable of this is a big question, and who will allow it?
                (a simple question, is there a remote uninhabited place like Novaya Zemlya or Semipalatinsk on the territory of modern Ukraine?). Therefore, talking about Ukrainian nuclear weapons is nonsense of an incompetent person, albeit in the rank of ambassador.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 4 May 2021 12: 18
                  0
                  I will not analyze this entire sheet.

                  And who decided that not? You? Are you a UN inspector or IAEA? What is not? I thought so.

                  Is the Budapest Memorandum not a treaty? Have you read it? I think no. So it doesn’t say that it’s not a contract. And the signatures there are under very specific points.

                  These very legal doubts cause legal doubts, about which it was unambiguously declared to those who are legally doubting - doubting the signed international documents is legally illegal according to international norms.

                  And the inconsistency of the idea of ​​returning nuclear status is more connected with political and economic aspects that make such an attempt unlikely, but theoretically, the inadequate bit of the bit can get down to business. Where to start they have. And you can always steal more money from a population that is not so boisterous. And they have an example right abroad from a neighbor.
  • uav80
    uav80 April 15 2021 13: 03
    +12
    Future nuclear weapons of Ukraine ..
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 25
      -1
      Aren't you introducing the Cobalt Cannon? Ukraine was the center of the USSR in this matter. And today the Russian Federation is doing Status-6, and what if not only the Russian Federation does it? And if not only underwater?
      1. uav80
        uav80 April 16 2021 07: 45
        +1
        Ukraine was
        Under the USSR, all the republics could do something, but now what ...
        1. ironic
          ironic April 18 2021 11: 57
          0
          And now it is not known for details, but I would not want it to come to the clarification of such possibilities. No need to corner anyone. It doesn't lead to anything good.
  • Dizel200
    Dizel200 April 15 2021 13: 07
    +2
    Cheaper and easier to hang
    1. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 15 2021 13: 39
      +2
      Cheaper and easier to hang

      I imagined, and in fact, first of all, those who changed their shoes on the fly will run to hang, so that they are not touched ...
  • mark1
    mark1 April 15 2021 13: 08
    +1
    To return something she will return - but who will give it to her !?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 27
      0
      And if he doesn't ask? After all, you can redirect investments to the Crimean bridge in Russia, and not only in Russia. It's a matter of decision.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov April 15 2021 13: 14
    +2
    If Estonia or Georgia had silos for nuclear missiles and there were factories for the manufacture of components for nuclear missiles, Estonia or Georgia could declare that they were nuclear countries, but abandoned nuclear weapons and that they would create nuclear weapons again ?
    1. Andy
      Andy April 15 2021 13: 29
      +6
      in general, when the mines (valga) and platforms (rakvere) of the missiles were. but it was a very long time ago. and in sillamäe there is something with uranium mining. somewhere there is a radioactive burial ground
      1. Vadim Golubkov
        Vadim Golubkov April 15 2021 13: 34
        +1
        I didn’t know, so even then Estonia is screaming that it is a nuclear and missile state and that it will create nuclear weapons and missiles hi
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 April 15 2021 14: 04
          +3
          You understand that you can yell as long as you like, until someone from the neighbors gets tired of it and he weighs the bream to a rowdy. hi
          1. silverura
            silverura April 15 2021 17: 47
            -5
            You can yell as long as you like, until one of the neighbors gets tired of it and he weighs the bream to the brawler.

            So it seems like many of Israel's neighbors want to give her bream, but something is holding back. Or is it not so? Why not take Ukraine as an example? request
            1. ironic
              ironic April 16 2021 00: 30
              -1
              Israel does not threaten anyone, especially nuclear weapons. But if Ukraine restores its weapons reactors ... the only question is whether weapons reactors ... Cobalt cannons are an all-Union Ukrainian specialization ... request
  • Borets
    Borets April 15 2021 13: 17
    +4
    I already imagined how he stamped his foot while pronouncing this) At best, there will be enough of them to grow radioactive debris from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant to quietly make a dirty bomb, that's it!
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 31
      0
      To restart the research reactor in Pomerki and the world has something to flinch at times worse.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 15 2021 13: 20
    +5
    Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany: Either Ukraine joins NATO, or regains its nuclear status
    Where do they grow such de / B \ and / L \ s? If they want to survive, it’s time to cover that incubator of de / B \ and / L \ yatiny.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 15 2021 17: 39
      +2
      This is how the air of impunity affects them, while they were allowed everything, forgiven, for many things, they closed their eyes, but then they suffered - it looks like this time they will be shocked ...
      Good time! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 15 2021 18: 26
        +1
        They will not even be kicked, they will disdain. They will be scolded once more and will be driven into the stall. All the skakuas cannot be soothed, there is already a clinic, and all business will not be allowed to visit. And yes, the commanders, they will be punished so that they would not be released from the corral ... for now, at least.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 15 2021 18: 31
          +2
          But they unscrew the heads of their politicians, someone will pinch their tongue ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 15 2021 18: 54
            +1
            It is useless to unscrew the heads, these are not important parts of their organisms.
            1. cniza
              cniza April 15 2021 19: 03
              +2
              I understand that, it was necessary to put it in quotes, but yes, it is necessary for the main part ... yes
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 33
      0
      Is that what they say about survival? So they say who is in heaven and who dies. But from the reactor in Pomerki there will be neither dead nor those who will go to heaven. There will be hell in the body of this world, and for everyone.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 15 2021 13: 21
    +1
    he threatened the West to return Ukraine's nuclear status if it is not urgently admitted to NATO

    Blackmailers were always beaten, actually.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 33
      0
      Will they have time? Sure? And if not, what?
  • iouris
    iouris April 15 2021 13: 21
    +2
    It's an ace by eleven. Now Grossukropia is definitely over.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 35
      0
      Who else would agree to such an end? Have you asked your children / grandchildren? They agree?
  • Constanty
    Constanty April 15 2021 13: 48
    +2
    From Ukraine's point of view, giving up nuclear weapons in exchange for paper guarantees that turned out to be useless was a mistake. From the point of view of the rest of the world, rather luck. The disintegration of Ukraine is better than a nuclear conflict in the middle of Europe.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 38
      0
      And if the mistake turns out to be whether Ukraine will be able to start arms production of a head with a Cobalt sheath, who will be responsible for this? The rest of the world? Whose luck will it be? Who will give a ruble for a hundred, that it is his grandson who will survive drinking water from the tap? Violation of its territorial integrity was worth it?
  • yfast
    yfast April 15 2021 13: 49
    +2
    Or Ukraine regains its nuclear status
    Ready or not, here I come. A more sufficient reason for the invasion could not be imagined.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy April 15 2021 14: 01
      +1
      Not invasions, but peace enforcement!
      1. ironic
        ironic April 16 2021 00: 40
        0
        Who else do you want to force into peace and what will happen if there is a misfire?
    2. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 39
      0
      Where else do you want to invade? And who else should then believe in "Do the Russian wars want?"
  • aleks700
    aleks700 April 15 2021 14: 02
    +2
    Therefore, it is necessary to eliminate this territorial entity.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 41
      0
      Who will do it? You? Sign up as a volunteer? Or will you go for money?
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 April 18 2021 09: 24
        0
        I. A volunteer.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 18 2021 11: 39
          0
          Excellent. We have a candidate for the genocide of the inhabitants of a particular country.
          1. aleks700
            aleks700 April 19 2021 16: 37
            0
            If the destruction of the Nazis is genocide, as in Germany in 45, then yes. Nazis to the elimination.
            1. ironic
              ironic April 19 2021 17: 30
              0
              Those. first we call whoever we want Nazis, then we destroy everyone in a row. This has already happened in history. The main thing is that everyone ... and who is a Nazi (enemy of the people) and who is not, the rehabilitators will figure it out.
              1. aleks700
                aleks700 April 20 2021 11: 03
                0
                We call those Nazis who consider Bandera, Shukhevych, Hitler heroes, who march through the streets of Kiev under banners with Nazi symbols. Are you from Vlasov or Bandera?
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 20 2021 11: 55
                  0
                  So there is no need to row with the same brush. By the way, this is also part of the Nazi concept. I am not a resident of Ukraine or a Ukrainian at all and do not have Ukrainian citizenship, and your question is a provocation with a racist smell. And then I will show you the inscriptions made in the language of the winners of the Great Patriotic War, with a swastika, not related to Ukraine and not in Ukraine. You shouldn't try to drag me into this, so as not to make excuses yourself.
                  1. aleks700
                    aleks700 April 20 2021 12: 58
                    0
                    There is a difference. We have followers of Hitler and Bandera criminals, and heroes in Bandera. Do you understand the difference? And I have nothing to justify myself.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic April 20 2021 13: 40
                      -1
                      For me, all Nazis are criminals, today or yesterday. My grandfathers shed blood against them. I unequivocally condemn the revanchist sentiments taking place among some Ukrainians, but as it turned out, this phenomenon also takes place among Russians. But the very fact does not give anyone the right to generalize all one size fits all, much less to promote genocide. Do you understand the difference? In what you have said, there is already a reason.
                      1. aleks700
                        aleks700 April 21 2021 07: 35
                        0
                        In your understanding, the war with Germany and the destruction of the German Nazis genocide. So my grandfather was engaged in the genocide of the Germans? This is Nazi propaganda on your part. This is the article.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic April 21 2021 16: 52
                        -1
                        My grandfathers also fought, do not forget, and it may very well be that right in hand with yours. Genocide is the destruction of the population on a national basis, and not the conduct of military operations with inevitable collateral losses. Slanderous false accusation in the propaganda of Nazism is also a lot of where the article. And this is pure libel on your part.
                      3. aleks700
                        aleks700 April 23 2021 10: 39
                        0
                        You called the destruction of the fascists genocide. Therefore, I have a doubt whether your grandfathers fought alongside mine. So, is the extermination of the Nazis genocide?
                      4. ironic
                        ironic April 24 2021 23: 35
                        -1
                        You attributed this to me, not I named. Your slander on me, not my words. The destruction of Nazis by Nazi Germany in battle was a historical necessity. The trial of the surviving fascists was an internationally recognized tribunal. What are you talking about now?
                        Doubt means .... I never doubted what would happen. Should we send links to military-historical award sites of the Russian Federation or will we do it?
                      5. aleks700
                        aleks700 April 26 2021 00: 16
                        0
                        And how does the destruction of Ukrainian fascists differ from the destruction of German fascists and further denazification?
  • Alex M
    Alex M April 15 2021 14: 07
    +1
    And these ... are they asking for something else? Return of nuclear status?
    But who of the normal people will give a nuclear bomb to a monkey who can only rage his tits?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 42
      0
      Are you sure that with the potential for nuclear research of the USSR in Ukraine, permission will be needed?
  • kventinasd
    kventinasd April 15 2021 14: 21
    +1
    Either Ukraine joins NATO, or regains its nuclear status

    And the machine is working properly for them wassat
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 15 2021 14: 25
    +2
    what Do these idiots even look out the window? They seem to have failed to understand that their present-day Ukraine has never taken place, prone to prostitution and nothing more. What the hell is nuclear status ?! It's not for you to rivet a mortar from a water pipe!
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 43
      0
      Vopt here you are right, corruption in Ukraine is a bigger enemy than any external one.
  • Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev April 15 2021 14: 28
    +2
    Such blackmail is only good for Russia. Maybe he's our agent of influence? This is the only logical explanation.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 44
      0
      This blackmail is not good for anyone.
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 15 2021 14: 35
    0
    Seeing such a scumbag, too radical even by Western standards, the leaders can spit and, in spite of him, bring Russia into NATO.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 44
      +1
      And who will solve the problems?
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich April 15 2021 14: 40
    +3
    this is not a diplomat ... this is some kind of MYDAK
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 45
      0
      He can be anyone, but if he expresses someone else's funded will ... it's really dangerous.
  • faterdom
    faterdom April 15 2021 14: 44
    +1
    Or goes through the forest (the third option is the most realistic).
  • sgr291158
    sgr291158 April 15 2021 14: 54
    +2
    When their heads are cured, everyone will be cured.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 15 2021 15: 07
    +1
    But who will allow her? .. Well, the ambassador at the chubatyh .. - a fool. If only he didn't bark, all sorts of nonsense.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 46
      0
      Well if it's nonsense ... but if whose funded will?
  • Growlers
    Growlers April 15 2021 15: 22
    +5
    A sick person ..... He must understand that decisions are not made by Ukraine. For me so soon his barking will get tired of the owners and he will go to the "meadow" to twist the sheep's tails.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 48
      0
      It is easy and simple to arrange everything in the usual cells, but what if this is a mistake? What then?
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 16 2021 01: 07
      +1
      He was sent from the sheep to Germany as an ambassador. Looks like he was jumping well in a saucepan.
  • zwlad
    zwlad April 15 2021 15: 33
    0
    and support Ukraine by modernizing its armed forces and strengthening its defenses

    well, if they themselves cannot upgrade their aircraft, then what
    or returns nuclear status.

    are you talking about?
    Are there any such competencies left?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 49
      0
      Remained, I know several places where you can revive such that well, his nafik ... And I am not a secret agent and not a publisher of NI.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 15 2021 15: 34
    +1
    Nu etogo "kadra" nazvat slaboumniy idiot vpolne spravedlivo.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 50
      -1
      And if it's a mistake, what then?
  • CYM
    CYM April 15 2021 15: 43
    0
    If only a pig had horns, I would have killed everyone.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 15 2021 16: 31
    +1
    Nuclear status and Ukraine? What's going on with nuclear power, and here is the nuclear arsenal
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 51
      0
      Destruction is not construction. Their task is not to create W76.
  • stepan razin_2
    stepan razin_2 April 15 2021 16: 51
    +1
    better fagot complex wave there such people like.
  • cniza
    cniza April 15 2021 17: 35
    +1
    Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany: Either Ukraine joins NATO, or regains its nuclear status


    He also gives an ultimatum ... it will be for you and for you, it will be for you in terms of status ...
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 52
      -1
      Ok and what if it was a wrong opinion?
  • salad
    salad April 15 2021 18: 43
    +1
    The world is going crazy))))
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad April 15 2021 19: 47
    +1
    Either Ukraine joins NATO, or regains its nuclear status


    Am I a breadwinner or who? .And you will not give Toda I will drink a chisel
  • Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy April 15 2021 20: 31
    +1
    Colleagues. in vain you are so calm about the possible nuclear status of Ukraine. Uranium, plutonium, centrifuges from a football field ... it's a very long time. The ambassador knows what he is talking about, he served, I suppose, on the PRTB as a warrant officer before the removal of nuclear weapons from Ukraine, he laid up a couple, three warheads, and now he is taking them out of the cache.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 16 2021 00: 54
      0
      There is no need in the stash. If you know what, where and how. The USSR knew. Ukraine was part of the USSR. Not the last in a series of dangerous projects.
      1. Dali
        Dali April 17 2021 10: 46
        +1
        Quote: ironic
        There is no need in the stash. If you know what, where and how. The USSR knew. Ukraine was part of the USSR. Not the last in a series of dangerous projects.

        The key thought was and wasted everything!
        1. ironic
          ironic April 18 2021 11: 41
          0
          And what are we going to do if not all, and even who will help, and there will always be those who wish?