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Armor and weapons of the Tudors

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Armor and weapons of the Tudors
Here it is: King Henry VIII. He is known for his polygamy and the fine knightly armor that remained after him, and the fate of his wives is learned by English schoolchildren with the help of an amusing mnemonic phrase: "divorced - executed - died - divorced - executed - survived." Portrait by Hans Holbein the Younger. National Gallery of Ancient Art, Rome


I'm not here today for fun, no!
Pictures of past years and terrible troubles,
Where groans and betrayals are next to the throne,
Majesty thrilling scenes
Let's introduce you now. Kind other
In sorrowful meditation and sometimes cry -
There is something over here. Who pays for the tickets
Hoping to comprehend the truth somewhere,
He will find her. And who expects from the play
Only two or three bright scenes will not reproach
Us for mistakes, and it is understandable:
In total for a shilling he will spend notably
It's two hours here. And is it only the one
Who will come here for the sake of grease,
Or fighting with swords and shields,
Or funny scenes with colorful jesters,
Will be deceived. Believe me gentlemen
We can't escape the shame
When we mixed the heights of truth
With jesters and shields in this room
(William Shakespeare "Henry VIII")

Museum collections of knightly armor and weapons. When in 1511 Henry VIII founded a small workshop in Greenwich, not far from the royal palace, and put Italian craftsmen from Milan there, and then added Flemings to their team, no one suspected that in this way a completely unique “Greenwich style "knightly armor. He felt like a great sovereign, but when in 1514 Emperor Maximilian I sent him as a gift magnificent armor with a "tonlet", the work of Konrad Seusenhofer from Innsbruck, he could not answer him in the same way.


Another “offensive gift” from Maximilian I to Henry VIII: chased horse armor - “Burgundy Bard” (1510) by Guillem Margot, with decorations by Paul van Vreland

And it was a terrible blow to his pride and, of course, to the prestige of his kingdom. Therefore, the next year, he sent bronniks to London from Germany itself, who were called "Alemans". In 1516 the workshop was relocated to Southwark, in 1521-1525. again returned to Greenwich, where she already remained until 1637.

Although the armor was supposed to reproduce the Germanic ones, according to Henry VIII, they nevertheless carried both Germanic and Italian features, in connection with which the Greenwich armor, although it was made by German craftsmen (with the participation of English apprentices), is highlighted by researchers in a separate style.

Well, and the goal of this workshop from the very beginning was only one: to challenge the gunsmiths and monarchs of all neighboring countries by making armor so luxurious that Henry would cause them the darkest envy in them. And the workshop did not disappoint his hopes. Several sets of knightly armor were made for him. And today we are very lucky that many of them have survived to this day, even if only some fragments remain from some. Well, during the reign of Mary and Elizabeth, the armor that was made in the royal workshop was also given the opportunity to order by their courtiers.

Actually, the "Greenwich style" was developed by the masters of this workshop not immediately, but only in the second half of the century. So, the model of the helmet "arme", which appeared in Germany, after 1525 received its development here due to the fastening of the cheek pads on the hinges, and they were produced until 1615. Greenwich visors were distinguished by the characteristic "breakwater" or "bow of the ship" shape. And, of course, decorativeness striking everyone's eyes.


Armor of 1540. About which our story will go today. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

Acquaintance with the armor of Henry VIII, created in the Greenwich workshop, it seems, should begin with the armor of 1540. It was probably made for the Westminster tournament, which was supposed to take place in the same year. It is decorated with etching and gilding in the Holbein style. Moreover, we note that it was again a headset.

Initially, heavy field armor had a set of parts for converting them into tournament ones, both for horse fighting and for foot. The set for foot combat did not have sabatons and a spear hook, which the infantryman did not need. The hips are also protected only by tapes, which in general reduces the weight of the armor, the weight of which the person wearing them wears only on his shoulders.


The same armor. Back view. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

Such headsets appeared around 1500 and turned out to be a godsend for both gunsmiths and their customers. The former could now have more customers, changing only individual parts in the already made armor, but the knights ... saved a lot of money on equipment.


But what could this armor be turned into: on the left - the three-quarter armor of the rider of the cavalry of the spearmen, on the right - the commander of the infantry. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

But the decoration of armor has become mandatory, so ... all the savings turned into just new expenses!

So, at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, patterns on armor were applied using a grabster (a sharp cutter with beveled edges), which was a very laborious and expensive task. But at the same time, acid etching began to be widely used. And it was it that came out on top among the technologies for decorating armor. Although in the last Thursday of the century, some of them even began to be covered with stamped drawings and patterns.


Additional details that turn this armor into a tournament one: a detail covering the chest and a part of the helmet on the left - a grandguard; the part on the upper part of the arm - pasgard, was attached to the elbow with a cotter pin; and, finally, a manifold - protection for a plate glove on the left hand. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

The first method consisted of pouring the acid onto a surface that had been scratched into wax with a needle. The second method, which came into practice around 1510 in Germany and a dozen years later in Italy, was that the protective layer was now applied with a brush, and the needle was used only to draw the smallest details. A perfectly smooth surface has gone out of fashion, but a grainy surface has become fashionable. And to get it, a way was devised to spray tiny droplets of wax on the surface of the metal. Then the metal was treated with acid, and the wax was removed or reapplied.


Breathing holes on the visor. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

Germany turned out to be the first country where gunsmiths used this technology and began to decorate the smooth plates of Italian armor in this way. Since acid treatment made it possible to decorate armor very quickly, this technique became the most important in transforming armor into works of art. Moreover, in Greenwich, at first the Italian technology was used. But after 1570, the local craftsmen adopted the German practice, adding, however, their English flavor.


Legguard "quis", kneecap, greave "mane". The edges of all parts are finished with a gilded border. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

The deeply etched patterns were filled with niello. But the surface, grainy etching was covered with gilding. Moreover, a blacksmith, mercury method was used, when gold was dissolved in mercury, the resulting gold-mercury amalgam was applied to the metal, and then the part was heated. The mercury evaporated - so this method required very good ventilation, and the gold was tightly combined with the metal of the armor. Foiling was also used. But it was more expensive. And, in addition, very small corrugations had to be applied to the metal in order for the foil to bond well with it.


A narrow border of etched and gilded patterns on the armor of Henry VIII. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

This is how silver foil was sometimes used. Given that the most famous example of such a technique is the armor and horse armor of Henry VIII, made in 1515.

Gilding was used on the edges of plates and details, or on decorative stripes. Sometimes, if the finances of the customer allowed, they gilded the background, leaving the color of steel on the figure protruding from it. Or they did it like this: the background and lines of the drawing were inked (typical German work) and then white polished metal stood out from the black background. The surface could be painted by controlled heating, which gave a dark blue or reddish brown color to the surface. In economical Germany, armor was also painted, but such "cheap armor" was not found among high-ranking people in England. To put them on to the courtier of a king or queen meant not only to cover oneself with indelible shame, but also ... to offend their discerning gaze!


Gauntlet. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

Under Henry VIII, embossed armor from the inside came into fashion. Such armor, horse, was presented to Henry by the emperor Maximilian. Coinage was also used to make grotesque tournament helmets, which, however, was more typical for Germany, although helmets with "faces" are known both in the collections of Sweden and England.

The Damascus technique of decorating metal with the smallest notches, which were filled with gold or silver, was also used. However, in England it is rare. Armor was decorated with both gold and silver chased plates, and even precious stones, even at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.


Plate lockable tournament glove. The fingers were locked in a compressed position with a pivoting hook, as a result, it became impossible to unclench the hand and drop the weapon out of it. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

By 1540, that is, by the date engraved on this armor, 49-year-old and fat Henry VIII was no longer the handsome and stately man who competed in the Field of Golden Brocade in 1520. Nevertheless, the king still longed for universal admiration and, most importantly, clearly wanted to impress his new queen, Anne of Cleves. It is believed that this armor of Henry VIII was made for the May Day tournament held at Westminster Palace in 1540.


Due to the fact that the king was strongly distributed at the waist, it was necessary to evenly distribute the weight of the armor over the body. To do this, a curious detail was provided in them, shown in this photo - a chest plate that should be worn on the chest with straps that passed along the shoulders and around the waist. A screw passed through the plate, which was inserted into the hole on the cuirass and fixed on it with a “nut with ears”. Moreover, the plate, in turn, consisted of three plates, movably articulated and, due to this, tightly adhered to the body. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London



Armor codpiece 1540 Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

It was Henry VIII who introduced the fashion for gulfs at his court. And it is not surprising that this detail was also on the armor made for him - well, how could it be without him ...


For the infantry version of this, the headset and codpiece were chain mail, in the likeness of cowards. The outer diameter of the wheels of these "cowards" was 10,5 mm, and the inner diameter was 7,6 mm. Their weight was considerable - 3,2 kg. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


And here is a codpiece from 1540 armor made of a metal plate. Front view. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London


The same codpiece, side view. Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

The armor was cleverly "designed" to fit Henry's considerable size, while tapering towards the waist and hips so that it was less obvious how fat he was. The armor was made by Erasmus Kirkenar, master of the Royal Armories in Greenwich. The armor is adorned with narrow, engraved and gilded borders, mostly filled with wavy foliage. However, the two sets of reinforcing plates for the knightly tournament used drawings of mermaids from the English Sketchbook (English Sketchbook) (1534-1548) by Hans Holbein the Younger. The identity of the engraver remains unknown. Perhaps it was the Florentine painter Giovanni da Maiano (circa 1486–1542) or Francis Kellblaunche, the engraver of the royal armor of 1539.


For comparison: the first armor - King Charles I 1612, the second behind him - Henry VIII 1540 Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

The story about the armor of Charles I is yet to come ...

To be continued ...
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka April 21 2021 04: 46
    +13
    Gorgeous iron !!!
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 21 2021 06: 16
      +8
      I join. By the way, I looked at it more attentively and thought - well, the codpiece is a codpiece, and if "for the most part" it will be impatient, when are you in all this beauty ?! Call a locksmith with tools or then hand over a suit to the "dry-cleaner"?
      Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich. Illustrations are a separate conversation.
      1. Richard
        Richard April 21 2021 13: 38
        +9
        Armor and weapons of the Tudors

        a photo Royal Arsenal, Tower Tower, London

        By the way, why did they not mention anything about this cuirass from the royal arsenal of the Tower?

        After all, she was also worn by a representative of the Tudor family - not unknown "queen of nine days" Lady Jane Gray
        1. Richard
          Richard April 21 2021 13: 43
          +9
          Canvas The Execution of Jane Gray Paul Delaroche, 1833

          a photo Place of execution of Queen Lady Jane Gray: Tower courtyard at St. Petra in chains

          a photo Prayer book page, written in the margin (Harley 2342). This is the same prayer book that Jane Gray took to the scaffold.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 April 21 2021 15: 38
            +3
            "the place of execution of Queen Jane Gray" unless her head was cut off there, and Mary Stuart, Anna Boyland, Catherine Howard. They also had their heads cut off. I doubt that every time there was a new block and in a new place
          2. vladcub
            vladcub April 21 2021 19: 55
            +3
            "the same prayer book that Jane Gray took to the scaffold" from Birkin read that Mary Stuart had a prayer book in her hands, and when her head was cut off, it was picked up by a German soldier.
            I read the book for a long time, but now I have not found it to accurately process
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 17: 00
          +7
          not unknown "queen of nine days" Lady Jane Gray

          Sorry for the girl. And I didn't have time to live ... recourse
          Here are some good articles about her:
          https://naukatehnika.com/devyatidnevnaya-koroleva-anglii-1-chast.html
          и
          https://naukatehnika.com/devyatidnevnaya-koroleva-anglii-2-ch.html
          1. depressant
            depressant April 21 2021 18: 44
            +8
            In addition to six wives, Henry VIII had many mistresses. But the mocking nature did not disregard not so much the king's excessive love for women, modest in comparison with the Ottoman sultans, as, presumably, the unfair attitude on his part to women who marry him, and took revenge on him with the death of the dynasty. As they say, man proposes, and God disposes - tell Him your plans!
            Most of the king's children, whom three wives bore him, died, 3 marriages were fruitless. The only son Edward VI, who became the prototype of the prince in the book "The Prince and the Pauper" by Mark Twain, died at the age of 15, and the male Tudor line was interrupted. In turn, they took revenge on the father for the mothers and daughters of Henry. Mary Tudor, "Bloody Mary", having become queen, waged a fierce struggle with one of the main paternal innovations - the Anglican Church. Elizabeth, who ascended the throne in 1558, completely overshadowed the historical significance of her father in comparison with herself, becoming one of the brightest English monarchs of all time.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 21 2021 04: 49
    +3
    Mdaaaaa ... what the armor is great for that time, it is probably a big problem to take it off and put it on yourself, but you still need to climb on a war horse with such armor, and imagine suddenly the knight was impatient to urgently cope with large and small needs. Where is he
    to spread your waste?
    Beauty requires sacrifice. smile
    I thank the author for an interesting article. hi
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 21 2021 05: 35
      +9
      So he could not mount a horse without assistance. And in case of need, and in the absence of a number of squires, consider a pure tragicomedy, or full pants. laughing
      1. kalibr
        April 21 2021 07: 31
        +7
        Quote: Sea Cat
        So he could not mount a horse without assistance.

        I could! Was obliged by becoming a knight! And even without the help of stirrups!
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 09: 25
          +9
          I could! Was obliged by becoming a knight! And even without the help of stirrups!

          I watched a documentary that Henry VIII got a leg injury at one of the tournaments. The wound was periodically opened until the end of life (the good doctors of that time had such a fashion), and the smell from it was still the same! No.
          1. ecolog
            ecolog April 23 2021 01: 16
            +1
            A strange wound of some kind. Usually either heals or gangrene. Again, a stench indicating putrefaction and necrosis. And here ulcers are some kind of long-lasting for years ...
        2. Catfish
          Catfish April 21 2021 19: 55
          +4
          “As soon as the Horse stopped (and he stopped every now and then), the Knight immediately flew forward, and when the Horse started to move again (he usually did it with a jerk), the Knight immediately fell back. For the rest, he was quite good in the saddle - only from time to time he also fell to one side. He fell, as a rule, directly on Alice - so she soon decided not to stay too close to the Horse. For the fifth time helping the Knight to rise from the ground, she ventured to remark: “You don’t often ride horseback?” The White Knight was very surprised. - Why do you think so? - He asked in a voice trembling with resentment and climbed into the saddle, holding on to Alice's hair with one hand so as not to fall off the other side. - If you ride a lot, you won't fall so often. “I travel a lot,” the Knight answered solemnly. - Lots of! - Oh, that's how! Alice said as cordially as she could. (L. Carroll "Alice Through the Looking Glass") laughing

          It's a joke, of course, but you must admit that in TOURNAMENT armor a knight could hardly climb a horse on his own, and it was problematic to get up. smile
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 21 2021 21: 00
            +3
            I do not agree.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish April 21 2021 21: 08
              +3
              Anton, I was wearing it, tournament armor, though only the chest, back, helmet, there is such a thickness of iron and such a weight that you can hardly get out of a chair.

              Something like this, in any case, a helmet, but in nature it looks even more terrible, there is a centimeter thick of a piece of iron.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 21 2021 21: 33
                +3
                there is a centimeter thickness of a piece of iron.
                You have misunderstood it. 10-12 mm, this is a pro-bullet armoring of vehicles dating from the first third of the twentieth century. Should I tell you?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish April 21 2021 21: 38
                  +3
                  Anton, it didn't seem to me, especially since we also discussed it there. Of course, this thickness is not everywhere, but the lower part of the helmet on the neck is exactly of such thickness that, as they explained to me, the blow of the spear would not break this very neck during a skirmish at full gallop.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave April 21 2021 21: 46
                    +3
                    Uncle Kostya, let me calculate tomorrow for you, how much should the specified helmet weigh, given the specified metal thickness?
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish April 21 2021 21: 56
                      +2
                      I repeat: this thickness was not all over the helmet or all over the armor. And there is no need to count, I remember how I struggled in it. smile
    2. ecolog
      ecolog April 23 2021 01: 18
      0
      this is a tournament, not a war. Dressed, left, rest with soft drinks. The squires will take care of everything.
  3. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 21 2021 06: 18
    +14
    Autumn is a good article! We, near-Japanese Sakhalin residents, are looking forward to the "publication" of an article about Japanese armor ... from early to late ...
    And armor with a steel ass for "normal kid" Henry is, of course, a lot! But why is the armor only 1540? And earlier armor is no less interesting!
    And the "armor tolerance" was "on top"! There were not only armored stands with codpiece, but also "steel skirts" ......!

    By 1540, that is, by the date engraved on this armor, 49-year-old and fat Henry VIII was no longer the handsome and stately man who competed in the Field of Golden Brocade in 1520.
    Still would! "Old age is not a joy!" Look at Henry for yourself ...!

    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 21 2021 06: 27
      +13
      And here you can see how "the size of Henry and his armor changed!"

      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 April 21 2021 07: 07
        +5
        That would be so nice for everyone. What will not happen in a quarter of a century.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 21 2021 20: 09
          +3
          But in general, he could get fat as he liked, these guys did not wander around the world alone, in novels one thing, in life another. request

          “Each knight led his own“ spear. ”“ Spear ”in this case is not an object of military equipment, but the name of a unit. In modern terms, this is called a squad, platoon, company.
          Those. any, ANY knight, according to modern concepts, is an officer who has a certain number of fighters under his command.
          The size of the "spear" depended solely on the well-being of the knight himself. How many he could teach, how many he could buy horses, sabers and armor - they will cover him in the attack. "(C)
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 April 21 2021 20: 48
            +5
            I've always suspected that not only personal charm is a guarantee that they will follow you.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish April 21 2021 21: 01
              +3
              Good evening, Sergey. hi
              So in addition to charm, you also need to have something in your wallet so that the whole team can be fed, watered, and dressed.

              "And life is bad without money,
              Not good for anywhere "(c) smile
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 April 21 2021 21: 05
                +4

                Good evening, Constantine!

                Exactly. What a Pan ataman without a gold reserve.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish April 21 2021 21: 12
                  +3
                  This is true, the pocket does not pull the stock and does not threaten the back. wink

                  "Do not count the fiery diamonds in the stone sheds!" (C)
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 April 21 2021 21: 28
                    +3
                    "There is a wonderful stone Yahont on the warm sea" (c).
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish April 21 2021 21: 45
                      +3
                      "Divers are looking for treasures,
                      Only I do not need treasure,
                      I want what would be in the blue sea
                      The ships did not sink "(c)
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 22 2021 00: 24
                        +2
                        "Stay boy with us,
                        You will be our king ”(c).
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 01: 06
                        +2
                        "Boys are walking,
                        All in jackets
                        Naga Nagans
                        In their hands "(c)
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 22 2021 01: 09
                        +2
                        “Where did you go, Kostya, fashionable gabardine,
                        Which one did we take on Malaya Arnautskaya? " (from).
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 01: 20
                        +2
                        "In response, having opened a pack of Kazbek,
                        Kostya spoke to her with a chill:
                        You are an interesting freak
                        But you see the point is ... "(c)
                      5. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 22 2021 01: 31
                        +2
                        "You are from Odessa, Mishka,
                        And this means .... "(c).
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 02: 56
                        +2
                        "Adessa lights the aganki and the boats leave for more pramo,
                        Pagavarim for berega twai, beauty of May Adessa-mama "(c)
                      7. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 22 2021 05: 48
                        +2
                        "Oh, Odessa, a pearl by the sea" (c).
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 06: 25
                        +2
                        "And if your eyes are knocked out in Adessa,
                        Then the eye will fix you Filatov "(c)
                      9. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 22 2021 06: 30
                        +2
                        “And the scent is like a dog's,
                        And the eye is like an eagle's ”(c).
                      10. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 06: 35
                        +2
                        "Sow confusion and bring down the Dogs of War!" (from)
                      11. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 22 2021 06: 40
                        +2
                        "If only a schematic diagram, al drawing,
                        We would start a "whirlwind" (c).
                      12. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 06: 47
                        +2
                        "The blue ball is spinning and spinning,
                        Spinning, spinning over your head ... "(c)
                      13. depressant
                        depressant April 22 2021 17: 46
                        +3
                        The head is spinning, spinning with him,
                        And the head is not new at all!
                        Now the headless corpse is drooping,
                        The look of the head is twisted and wild.
                      14. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 22 2021 18: 03
                        +3
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good evening!
                        So I read these verses and thought: And actually, at what second of the forced * headlessness * does life go away? And does the person / ex / see his body? belay
                        Yes, my friend, you love to drive you into thoughtfulness.
                      15. depressant
                        depressant April 22 2021 18: 39
                        +1
                        Yes, Seryozha, thinking is harmful! )))
                        From the experience of my dying I will say this: you understand that it is already a corpse, but your consciousness is working, your eyes see, and then with a monstrous, incredible effort of will you say to yourself: "Come on quickly back!" You talk and come back, oxygen begins to flow into the lungs, and here the thought overtakes: "And why did I say this to myself?" Would leave easily ...
                        The soul does not fly away, Seryozha. Consciousness goes out for 9 days along with the body, this has already been established. Then the body goes out - about a year (Australian biologists have observed residual reactions). The ancestors knew this. In my childhood, I remember, Georgians said goodbye to the deceased for 9 days, buried them on 10 days.
                        To speed up the funeral procedure (after all, 9 days is unbearable), the following practice arose in the city of my childhood and youth: if a death was recorded by a doctor, an injection of formalin was immediately given, residual consciousness was murdered, the deceased reliably became a corpse.
                        So, if the brain is intact, consider that on the third day a body is buried in the ground, quite possibly aware of what is being done to it.
                      16. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 20: 54
                        +3
                        Yes, Seryozha, thinking is harmful! )))

                        Correctly: "Thinking a lot is harmful, it is better to do what they say." (C)
                      17. depressant
                        depressant April 22 2021 21: 00
                        +2
                        For example, "A-two! A-two!" Consciousness is cleaned up to the possibility of unhindered filling it with an order, executed unjustifiably wassat )))
                      18. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 21: 05
                        +2
                        And that, everything is correct, this is a brain confusion among the "intellectuals" (c), but with us everything is simple:
                        "Household chores are abandoned,
                        You don't need a salary or a job
                        I walk, I walk, I play with an automatic machine,
                        How nice it is to be a soldier, a soldier "(c)

                        All the same Bulat-light-Shalvovich.))
                      19. depressant
                        depressant April 22 2021 21: 27
                        +1
                        Apparently, this was written by Shalvovich about the times when the demobilized grandfather's tarpaulin had not yet had time to bless his fifth point with an imprint of a boot polish)))
                      20. Catfish
                        Catfish April 22 2021 21: 41
                        +2
                        This is unlikely, Okudzhava fought was wounded, then there was no time for hazing. He did not have great awards for the war, but there were:
                        Medal "For the Defense of the Caucasus" (1944).
                        Medal "For Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945." (1945)
                        Have you read his story "Bless you, schoolboy"?
                      21. depressant
                        depressant April 22 2021 22: 31
                        +1
                        No, Kostya, I haven't read it. And I didn't know about Okudzhava. Here is what the Strugatskys fought, I knew. It can be seen that the closeness of military death, roaring over the fronts with a scythe, in a fluttering black robe, at the sight of which it was possible to let the country survive only shoulder to shoulder, ennobled that generation of intelligentsia, caused an intolerable craving for brotherhood and an impulse to unattainable heights of spirit in their souls ... But as such, they became unnecessary and even dangerous.
            2. Undecim
              Undecim April 22 2021 21: 09
              +4
              Consciousness goes out for 9 days along with the body, this has already been established. Then the body goes out - about a year (Australian biologists observed residual reactions)
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, the presence of consciousness in decaying, fetid flesh does not look very convincing. And as for the presence of reflexes in a corpse at least six months ago, this is already unscientific fantasy. It is better for the faint of heart not to see this.
            3. depressant
              depressant April 22 2021 21: 19
              +1
              Victor Nikolaevich, for which I bought, for which I am selling! I assure you I didn't add a penny yes
            4. Undecim
              Undecim April 22 2021 21: 26
              0
              Here on the site of such "dealers" and so on in abundance. You look like a foreign body in their ranks.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish April 22 2021 21: 34
            +3
            It is better for the faint of heart not to see this.

            And where do you get to, as you drove into the city, and so here they are, at every corner. And the flesh doesn’t seem to decompose, but there’s no brain. Laws of what nature? wassat
          3. depressant
            depressant April 22 2021 21: 45
            +2
            The picture is wrong, does not reflect the reality! In the hands of the crowd of creatures represented by you, dear Kostya, there is a lack of mobile telephones, on some of which you can see the logo of the 1st channel, and on the others - the logo of Rain!
          4. Catfish
            Catfish April 22 2021 22: 00
            +3
            There are too many options, there is still "Dom2" and other evil spirits, but yes, they are nowhere without a smartphone, it replaces them not only the head, but also the genitals, but they still multiply.
          5. depressant
            depressant April 22 2021 22: 39
            +1
            Duc statistics say the opposite! The increase in the birth rate is inversely proportional to the increase in the number of mobile phones in the hands of potential giving birth.
          6. Catfish
            Catfish April 22 2021 22: 45
            +2
            Well, if the death rate of these zombies exceeds the birth rate, then the cannibals from the mumbo-jumbo tribe have everything ahead.
            Although the statistics are venal wenches. laughing
          7. depressant
            depressant April 22 2021 22: 56
            +1
            You need to know the places, who can be sold easily and pleasantly and most importantly - profitably! laughing
          8. Catfish
            Catfish April 22 2021 23: 02
            +3
            Hmm ... What do you mean? And then all sorts of thoughts climb into my head. wink
          9. depressant
            depressant April 22 2021 23: 32
            +2
            Oh, how bad it is, Kostya! I'm just talking about brothels, and you are talking about more statuswassat )))
          10. Catfish
            Catfish April 22 2021 23: 36
            +4
            Not a word about the State Duma? laughing
          11. depressant
            depressant April 23 2021 00: 13
            +2
            Oh, Kostya, how shameless you are! It is not customary to broadcast about what is happening in the toilet at all corners.
          12. Catfish
            Catfish April 23 2021 00: 36
            +2
            Natural acts are as natural as eating food.
          13. depressant
            depressant April 23 2021 08: 10
            +2
            For insult they will be summoned to the Senate,
            put before the Synod,
            You will be given a bitter poison
            with the blessing of the people!
          14. Catfish
            Catfish April 23 2021 08: 52
            +2
            ... with the blessing of the people!


            "Chukchi, they are like children ..." (c) laughing

          15. depressant
            depressant April 23 2021 08: 57
            +1
            I am Chukchi, Chukchi, Chukchi,
            not a bear at all!
            I was recognized by the Chukchi,
            I live with it and sing!
          16. Catfish
            Catfish April 23 2021 09: 03
            +2
            "So our bird sang and finished singing ..." (c)
          17. depressant
            depressant April 23 2021 09: 13
            +3
            Finished up and went to Shpakovsky for swords. I read the article and the texts of the speakers.
            Kostya! .. You have no idea how many mocking comments I wanted to insert on each one. But for now I will show respect.
          18. Catfish
            Catfish April 23 2021 09: 40
            +3
            There is no need to restrain desires coming from the depths of the soul. smile
            It's bad for the soul.
  4. Undecim
    Undecim April 22 2021 21: 46
    0
    but no brains. Laws of what nature?
    They have a brain. But the left prefrontal cortex, the left temporal cortex and the left parietal cortex do not function in it. On the site, this kind of stuff is also in bulk.
  5. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 22: 15
    +2
    The main thing is that their visual area functions according to the principle "what I saw, I will sing with a loud shout". And they are able to see only what corresponds to the peculiarities of the chewing-grasping sum of the unconditioned reflexes of an individual. What do you want? Man of the future! am
  6. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 21: 11
    +3
    Everyone's heads are different, and it happens with them, too, everything is different. smile
  7. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 21: 21
    +2
    Vseda interested me: whose head? Years passed, but I could not find an answer anywhere! Science is silent.
  8. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 21: 47
    +1
    Science is silent.


    "But why did the natives eat Cook?
    For what - it is unclear, science is silent. "(C)

    "Science has a lot of guitars," but in the case of Head and Cook, it is powerless. request
  9. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 22: 35
    +1
    Aha! )))
    As in the case of the answer to the question: what happened before the Big Bang, who set fire to the cord and whether the saboteur survived wassat )))
  10. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 22: 56
    +2
    did the saboteur wassat survive)))

    Here is the same story as with the Head. laughing
  11. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 23: 05
    +1
    Ideologically lost! good drinks )))
  12. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 23: 19
    +2
    And what to do ?! laughing

    Fighting ideologies ...
  13. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 23: 37
    +1
    The textbook lacks the great Indian ideology - "Kamasutra", as well as the postulates of Tao.
  14. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 23: 46
    +2
    "You can't embrace the immensity" (c)



    As well as to shove unstoppable. request
  15. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 00: 28
    +1
    Not on my way with an elephant,
    I don’t need an elephant in my house,
    I do not store dishes for elephants,
    I'm not in the shop - I won't be there!
  16. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 00: 37
    +1
    "Far, far away on Lake Chad
    Brooding giraffe wanders "(c)
  17. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 08: 23
    +1
    As the poet said
    "... the giraffe is big, he knows better"
    on the slope or at the beginning of days,
    And also seen in the middle.
    A giraffe is always alone on an ice floe.
  18. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 08: 48
    +1
    "In Antarctica, ice floes hid the land,
    The ice floes in Antarctica were covered with a blizzard,
    Here some penguins used to live,
    Jealously guarding their snow. "(C)

    And the giraffe was wrong. stop
  19. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 08: 54
    +1
    He was wrong, because he did not pump rights!
  20. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 08: 57
    +1
    "Goes to the right - the song starts,
    To the left - says a fairy tale "(c)
  21. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 09: 06
    +1
    But we don't need proclamations with political accusations and provocations!
  22. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 09: 36
    +2
    What are you, Luda, are you reducing everything to politics? Kotyara just drank a bottle, he is in a good mood, so he entertains the people. smile
  23. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 18: 18
    +3
    "The girl is crying - the ball flew away" (c).
  24. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 18: 42
    +3
    Chicherin or Okudzhava? )))
  25. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 19: 26
    +3
    Okudzhava. From other performances - Elena Frolova came across.
  26. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 20: 15
    +3
    Well, of the bards, I only recognize Okudzhava.
    Especially this:

    Hold hands friends
    After all, we cannot live without friendship!
    And let it not be lonely
    Souls of the Slavic flame.
    Let's join hands friends ...

    In an incomprehensible way, my subconscious combines the songs of Okudzhava with the attitude of the Strugatskys.
  27. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 20: 26
    +3
    More often the option comes across:

    “Let's join hands, friends,
    So as not to be lost one by one ”(c).
  28. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 20: 47
    +3
    Yes, and this one too, he is even closer to me. And after all, what is surprising, being in the companies of the 80s and listening to these songs with a guitar, I did not feel spiritual closeness with the people around me. They put into words an idea that was not at all close to me. I knew where everything was going and what would happen, but they had other hopes. And if the spoken thought is a lie, then this is the very case when you don’t put any meaning into it, it turns out. Then the wrong hands joined hands, but they were able to do it. And who should have only caught the emptiness with their hands. And who is holding hands now? Apparently, they are not the same again.
  29. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 22: 48
    +2
    Those who speak the same language are taken.

    "When the heart is heavy
    And it's cold in my chest
    To the steps of the Hermitage
    Come at dusk ”(c).
  30. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 23: 00
    +1
    And fall down on the steps
    And break your forehead about them,
    With the wound received
    Life will become more fun!
  31. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 23: 35
    +2
    “I have heard the truth, it happened:
    Though the forehead is wide, the brain is not enough! " (from).
  32. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 20: 59
    +3
    "And suddenly I notice: at the very Arbat gate
    the cabman is standing, Alexander Sergeich is walking ...
    Ah, today, probably, something will happen. "(C)

    Bulat Shalvovich nakarkal - it happened. And now what to do with all this?
  33. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 22: 52
    +2
    Today I walked along Bolshaya Nikitskaya, past the monument to Pushkin and Goncharova.

    “You should live.
    Sew sundresses
    And light dresses made of chintz ”(c).
  34. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 23: 00
    +2
    "You should sew,
    For no matter how many blizzards circle,
    Her kabkla and opal are short-lived "(c)
  35. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 23: 29
    +1
    Hope is my earthly compass.
    And luck is a reward for courage.
    And the songs are pretty one
    So that she sang only about the house.
  36. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 22 2021 23: 37
    +3
    "A sword for a duel,
    A sword for battle -
    Everyone chooses for himself "(c).
  37. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 23: 42
    +2
    "But I prefer a pistol" (c)
  38. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 00: 35
    +2
    “- Well, I won? I fired first ”(c).
  39. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 00: 42
    +1
    "Brit, Filein said what you said, and I say that you are lying, and what do you say?" laughing
  40. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 01: 39
    +2
    "Which is in felt, let's argue:
    I - at a hundred meters, and you - at close range ”(c).
  41. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 01: 55
    +1
    "...?! Oh so ?! Well, I'm ready.
    So, your first shot "(c)

  42. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 01: 57
    +2
    “Why waste for nothing?
    I hit first then ”(c).
  43. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 02: 09
    +1
    "And Butkeev thought, crushing my ribs,
    That life is good, that life is good "(c)
  44. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 06: 21
    +2
    "A good life is even better!" (from).
  45. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 06: 31
    +1
    Truly so! laughing drinks
  46. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 06: 53
    +2
    Every dog ​​has his day!
  47. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 08: 42
    +1
    "Today is a holiday for the girls, today there are dances in the club" (c)
  48. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 10: 40
    +2
    "Attention to Tanya
    Nobody paid ”(c).
  49. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 11: 18
    +1
    "Ah, Tanya, Tanya, Tanechka
    With her, the case was like this ... "(c)
  50. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 23 2021 14: 51
    +2
    “And a number of cases fly like bullets,
    Crazy, late, blind, at the end ”(c).
  51. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 02: 14
    +1
    "The rifle sent the right bullet,
    Lead sang and went "(c)
  52. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 11: 48
    +2
    "Only a Cossack bullet in the steppe will catch up" (c).
  53. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 12: 26
    +1
    "A good horse is more important to the Cossack" (c)
  54. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 13: 54
    +2
    "Well, son, did your Poles help you?" (from).
  55. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 14: 51
    +1
    "Help me, help me,
    Call on the yellow-eyed night.
    See, it is dying, ah, the heart is dying
    In the fire-breathing lava of love. "(C)
  56. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 15: 36
    +2
    “If you touch the passions in a person,
    Then, of course, you will not find the truth ”(c).
  57. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 16: 50
    +1
    "But they could not understand that you were joking
    You are with a volcano of passions. "(C)
  58. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 18: 27
    +2
    "And the flower of love does not bloom
    Without fame and success ”(c).
  59. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 19: 29
    +1
    "Love, hope, quiet glory
    The deception did not comfort us for long "(c)
  60. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 19: 57
    +2
    "I love my homeland, but with a strange love" (c).
  61. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 20: 37
    +1
    "To love ... but who? .. for a while is not worth the trouble,
    And it is impossible to love forever. "(C)
  62. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 20: 46
    +1
    "Gift in vain, random gift" (c).
  63. Catfish
    Catfish April 24 2021 20: 50
    +1
    "Once for a gift from God" (c)
  64. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 24 2021 21: 10
    +1
    "Give me a crutch, Gregory" (c).
  65. Catfish
    Catfish April 25 2021 20: 15
    +1
    "Who are you? Damn, or a saint?
    On what leaps did it rise? "(C)
  66. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 25 2021 20: 19
    +2
    "He who is light is holy" (c).
  67. Catfish
    Catfish April 25 2021 21: 17
    +1
    "It is not difficult, understanding everything, to be silent ...
    More difficult to climb to the main cohort.
    After all, someone has to pull the word "mother"
    Horns to break off the "holy" devil! "(C)

    Take a look at "Anna's pistols", Lyudmila and I "intersect" there.))
  68. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 25 2021 22: 49
    +2
    Now.

    "The best poetry is silence" (c).
  69. Catfish
    Catfish April 25 2021 22: 55
    +1
    "And then - silence" (c)
  70. Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 25 2021 23: 03
    +2
    "Here is a song for you about someone who has not sung,
    And what the voice had - I did not recognize ”(c).
  71. Catfish
    Catfish April 25 2021 23: 22
    +1
    "And the one who walks through life with a song,
    He will never disappear anywhere! "(C)
  72. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 23: 25
    +1
    Take a broom, scoop everything that is unusable and put it in a trash can. But when you come to the container, the tax collector will already be waiting for you there and will demand such a price for throwing out all the garbage that you will have to throw out only a small fraction. And the rest - when sufficient funds are found. But rubbish has a habit of piling up every day. And then it turns out that you will never be able to get rid of it completely. History does not go backwards.
  73. Catfish
    Catfish April 22 2021 23: 34
    +3
    History does not go backwards.

    Come on, it's better to put Mouzon. laughing
  74. depressant
    depressant April 22 2021 23: 43
    +1
    Hmm ... Are we shooting blanks? But what about the principle of a gun hanging on the wall? Suddenly one of the bullets is a combat one? And it will turn out like with the wonderful Brandon Lee. I still grieve. The film "The Raven" is one of my favorites. Maybe the most.
  75. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 00: 45
    0
    I didn’t see the "Raven", and the cartridges are not blank, the spent cartridges lie below, we simply combine the beautiful with the useful: shooting with good music. soldier smile
  76. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 08: 24
    +1
    And, so this is a disguise of an armored train standing on the siding.
  77. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 08: 39
    +1
    No, this is a Hi-Fi version of the DP-27, but I like your idea to put it on an armored train. smile
  78. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 08: 52
    +1
    Oh! ... And also add wi-fi and rhinestones!
  79. Catfish
    Catfish April 23 2021 09: 02
    +1
    We were late. Already!!!
  80. depressant
    depressant April 23 2021 09: 08
    0
    Nothing is new in this world
    As soon as I opened my mouth, it was on the air!
  • kalibr
    April 21 2021 07: 28
    +6
    Can you imagine, Vladimir, that all these five armors are stuffed into one material? It will not be interesting at all ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 21 2021 09: 32
      +3
      What am I? I'm nothing! We understand what it is ... five armor (!) ... and in one article! Simply, I mentioned this armor in connection with the "historical" references to Henry VIII in different periods of his life! request
  • kalibr
    April 21 2021 07: 24
    +5
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    And earlier armor is no less interesting!

    They will be, of course, but in other sections of the cycle ...
  • kalibr
    April 21 2021 07: 30
    +5
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    but also "steel skirts" ......!

    They unfastened perfectly!
    1. Richard
      Richard April 21 2021 15: 29
      +3
      They unfastened perfectly!

      Oh, whether. There was not even a small technical discrepancy? smile
      1. kalibr
        April 21 2021 20: 33
        +2
        Everything was kept on hooks!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 21 2021 07: 31
    +6
    We, near-Japanese Sakhalin residents, are looking forward to the "publication" of an article about Japanese armor ... from early to late ...
    It was already. And there are many, not one cycle of materials. Only about tsuba - about a dozen articles.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 21 2021 07: 42
      +3
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      It was already. And there are many, not one cycle of materials. Only about tsuba - about a dozen articles.

      It is quite possible! Means, I forgot a little! I suppose that this was facilitated by the fact that during the "accident" of the computer I lost, somewhere, half of the "archive" some time ago ...
    2. kalibr
      April 21 2021 08: 06
      +7
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Only about tsuba - about a dozen articles.

      Exactly ten! How much more details ?! And Japanese armor ... about them was in great detail. More details? It is necessary to "gut" them, and who will allow me to do this?
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 21 2021 08: 11
        +6
        How much more details ?!
        And there is no particular sense. At a certain stage of immersion in the topic, the author risks losing the audience.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 22 2021 18: 06
          +1
          Good evening! But this is unlikely, Anton. The audience is only growing. For which Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you. As well as for the wonderful articles. And as a result, interesting comments to them. good
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 22 2021 18: 52
            +1
            Hello, Sergey!
            Here you are wrong. When and if Shpakovsky begins to delve into the details of each topic (and he can!), And even the dry academic language of dissertations, even VikNik will become boring. This does not happen, because Shpakovsky has 40 years of journalistic practice in the field of science behind him, 30 years at the department, 10 years of lecturing from the regional committee of the CPSU. Moreover, he also expounded the latter in an interesting way (in absentia he knew the person who Shpakovsky taught "History of the CPSU"
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 April 22 2021 19: 11
              +1
              This / dry academicism / does not happen. The respected author writes in an interesting way, hence the growth of the audience, hence the interesting discussions, hence the serious disputes and passions when the AUTHOR touches on some topics. hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 22 2021 19: 29
                +1
                Seryozha, do you have the experience of persuading one of the authors, also a candidate of historical sciences, to lower the "degree" of academicity of the materials offered in a popular science publication?
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 April 22 2021 19: 42
                  +1
                  I didn't seem to try, and why would I?
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave April 22 2021 20: 24
                    0
                    Why would you?
                    A striking example. You know a hell of a lot about the history of sports over the past 40 years! Many support you, in your comments, but when you start to go into the nuances, you remain alone ... And only friends "plus" you (notice) ...
                    Sorry, but it is. Sorry buddy ...
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 21 2021 07: 11
    +3
    A infantry version of this headset and codpiece was chain mail, in the likeness of cowards. The outer diameter of the wheels of these "cowards" was 10,5 mm, and the inner diameter was 7,6 mm. Their weight was considerable - 3,2 kg.

    Did it help, I wonder ...
    And the additional weight was in the way.
    1. kalibr
      April 21 2021 07: 26
      +6
      There was a lot of everything under the chain mail. Both cloth and cotton wool. The severity did not interfere. They got used to it from the age of 7. And it added confidence.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 21 2021 07: 28
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        ... The severity did not interfere.

        recourse gravity has always interfered with mobility, which is especially important for the infantry on the battlefield.
        1. kalibr
          April 21 2021 07: 54
          +7
          Andrey, why are you all the time trying to prove things contrary to what happened? What for? Show erudite? Henry was king, he didn't have to run around the battlefield even when he was wearing infantry armor. It's like a general's uniform and a frock coat of Napoleon. I wanted to show in it "closeness to the people." I read the works of English historians, there are references to them, and in a monograph in Germany and in our truncated book of two Lomonosov, that some of the British commanders demanded armor for the infantry, someone, on the contrary, said that they did not are needed. The same Heinrich ordered them in Antwerp. Life was different than now everything was different ...
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 21 2021 08: 14
            +5
            It is not even necessary to mention Heinrich here. Andrey's statement contradicts the tactics of using the infantry of the Renaissance.
            Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 21 2021 09: 44
              0
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Andrey's statement contradicts Renaissance infantry tactics

              what exactly?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 21 2021 09: 49
                +4
                Below "Trilobite Master" explained.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 21 2021 09: 43
            -3
            Quote: kalibr
            Andrey, why are you trying all the time? prove things contrary to what happened? What for?


            And what am I here ... "proving"? Didn't even notice ... request

            Quote: kalibr
            Life was different than now everything was different...

            people were the same, and 3,2 kg of steel were not lighter then than today.
          3. Richard
            Richard April 21 2021 15: 46
            +2
            For the infantry version of this, the headset and codpiece were chain mail, in the likeness of cowards. The outer diameter of the wheels of these "cowards" was 10,5 mm, and the inner diameter was 7,6 mm. Their weight was considerable - 3,2 kg.

            This is a purely infantry option.
            For equestrian knights, this accessory looked a little different.
            a photo Chainmail knightly half-shorts of the XNUMXth century

            It is the half-pants - this is only their front part, sewn onto the woolen pantaloons, worn over linen or silk panties-bre.
            But why is the rear gate without protection? It's simple: a knight is a rider, right? And there is absolutely no need for him to wipe his ass on chain mail, sitting in the saddle
            1. kalibr
              April 21 2021 16: 30
              +2
              Quote: Richard
              And there is absolutely no need for him to wipe his ass on chain mail, sitting in the saddle

              That's it!
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master April 21 2021 09: 43
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          gravity has always interfered with mobility, which is especially important for the infantry on the battlefield.

          Quite the opposite. At that time, the infantry fought in dense combat formations - Swiss, Landsknechts, Spanish thirds ... The individual mobility of a soldier in such conditions had little effect.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 10: 00
            +8
            At that time, the infantry fought in dense battle formations - Swiss, Landsknechts, Spanish thirds ...

            The tactics of the third, albeit schematically, are shown in the ending of the film "Captain Alatriste".
            Here's an interesting diagram:

            Reflect the attack of the Reiters. In the center - the officer's protazan is visible.

            Infantry. The man on the left is a sergeant, judging by the halberd.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master April 21 2021 10: 20
              +5
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              "Captain Alatriste"

              The actors are so-so, the script is so-so, the film as a whole is so-so ... But, excellent costumes and fencing. In general, the scenery is quite decent. The tactics of the third in the Battle of Rocroix are shown, probably, as authentically as possible, as far as such a scene can be shown in a movie.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 10: 34
                +4
                The actors are so-so, the script is so-so, the film as a whole is so-so ...

                This is based on the novel. hi Although I have not read the novel!
                The tactics of the third in the Battle of Rocroix are shown, probably, as authentically as possible, as far as such a scene can be shown in a movie.

                My impression was - "there is not enough battle" ... what The Europeans do not have such a powerful resource as the Soviet Army at Bondarchuk at Waterloo - there were all the extras from it. fellow Therefore, in modern films one and a half reenactors are fighting! request
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 21 2021 11: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  "lack of battle"

                  Yes, in the third, of course, there were more people, and the thirds themselves under Rocroix were not two or three. Now, with all sorts of computer technologies, it is possible to "shoot" any battle scene, and with the participation of transformers on the one hand and godzils on the other, but good historical films with good costumes, adequate character behavior and sound tactics of hostilities, as it was vanishingly small, is becoming only less.
                  By the way, I have not read the book "Alatriste" either, and there is no desire as such. For some reason it seems to me that the authors of the film squeezed everything out of the book, although, perhaps, I am mistaken.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 21 2021 13: 11
              +5
              There was good translation material
              https://topwar.ru/120797-ispanskie-tercii.html
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 21 2021 10: 32
            0
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            At that time, the infantry fought in dense battle formations - Swiss, Landsknechts, Spanish thirds ... Individual the mobility of a soldier in such conditions had little effect on anything.



            "did not" affect:

            the Swiss made frequent use of infantry in offensive operations, and they found that high mobility of military units provides considerable benefits, and also, following the ancient Greeks and Macedonians, they realized what striking power a dense construction worker possesses (c)
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master April 21 2021 10: 53
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              the codpiece was chain mail, in the likeness of cowards
              ...
              Their weight was considerable - 3,2 kg.
              ...
              And the additional weight was in the way.

              Quote: Olgovich
              gravity has always interfered with mobility, which is especially important for infantry on the battlefield

              Quote: Olgovich
              high mobility of military units provides considerable benefits

              Did I understand correctly that your main message was that the presence of chain mail codpiece among the infantrymen reduced the mobility of military units on the battlefield?
              That is, without the codpieces, the Spanish third or the Swiss battle would move across the battlefield faster and maneuver better?
              Or did you mean something else?
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov April 21 2021 11: 24
                +6
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                did the infantrymen have chain mail codpieces that reduced the mobility of military units on the battlefield?

                At that time, they had unreliable rubber bands, they often broke ... wassat
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 21 2021 12: 02
                  +4
                  Which, apparently, ensured the high birth rate ... laughing
                  1. Richard
                    Richard April 21 2021 18: 00
                    +1
                    armored knight armor cogs

                    By the way, not everyone liked them. smile
                2. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I April 21 2021 12: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: Mihaylov
                  At that time, they had unreliable rubber bands, they often broke ...

                  Well, if the elastic band was torn on chain mail shorts, that's half the trouble (!) ... but there were also plate (plates ...)! What if the rubber band bursts on such? belay


                  They will definitely not be recruited into the army later ... "flat feet"!
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 17: 08
                +2
                That is, without the codpieces, the Spanish third or the Swiss battle would move across the battlefield faster and maneuver better?

                Michael, I know the solution! From the height of historical thought! bully In their place ... it was necessary to cast a three-meter cog ... and go into a psychic attack drunk. good The pikes could be thrown away - the enemies would have fled from the battlefield anyway. stop It would have worked at least once - a total "sulphonization". wassat Remember, in a famous rhyme: "And those who swam on the water - hit with a swing on the bulldozer!" fellow drinks
                Well, I'll post a favorite picture of our Vladimir "Mordvin" - Bruegel. drinks In such a codpiece, 80% of the family's annual budget could be hidden! wink
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 21 2021 18: 28
                  +2
                  Still, I would not throw out the pikes ... You never know in the composition of the enemy army there is a detachment of Amazons ... They can only be inspired by this look. smile
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 21: 52
                    0
                    You can only inspire them with such a look.

                    So make peace!
            2. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic April 21 2021 13: 27
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              At that time, the infantry fought in dense battle formations - Swiss, Landsknechts, Spanish thirds ... Individual the mobility of a soldier in such conditions had little effect on anything.



              "did not" affect:

              the Swiss made frequent use of infantry in offensive operations, and they found that high mobility of military units provides considerable benefits, and also, following the ancient Greeks and Macedonians, they realized what striking power a dense construction worker possesses (c)

              The individual mobility of a fighter in a Swiss battles was important only in the breakthrough and collapse of the formation, when it is necessary, roughly speaking, to skimp, as in the joke "I don't need to run faster than a lion, I need to run faster than you"))
              The high mobility of the military units of the Middle Ages, this is the ability to quickly rebuild from one formation to another, and the decisive factor in this will be a drill, and not a codpiece of three kilos.
      2. Richard
        Richard April 21 2021 15: 57
        +3

        Fu No. These are just some kind of family chain mail panties, and noble tolerant knights wore fashionable elegant chain mail panties - tango yes laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 17: 11
          +2
          and the noble tolerant knights wore fashionable graceful chain mail panties - tango

          Dmitry, tell me honestly - did the Sea Cat send? wink I recognize the armorer's hand. laughing
          1. Richard
            Richard April 21 2021 17: 53
            +4
            Welcome hi
            These are the real combat cowards of Count Pedro XII
            Although I am sure in Konstantin, there are probably quite a few similar pictures in the store, but exclusively of a different gender orientation.
            We'll have to wait for it, or maybe someone else will post them.
            Personally, I pass. My wife does not allow me to enter adult sites smile
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 21: 53
              +2
              Although I am sure in Konstantin, there are probably quite a few similar pictures in the store, but exclusively of a different gender orientation.

              These will suit the ladies ... wink
              These are the real combat cowards of Count Pedro XII

              And you never know in Brazil ... Pedro ?! And you can't count! drinks
            2. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov April 22 2021 10: 11
              +2
              Quote: Richard
              These are the real combat cowards of Count Pedro XII

              I don't know this, I know Pedro Krymsky:

              And also to Nikol Pitersky ... wassat
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 21 2021 07: 19
    +7
    Another “offensive gift” from Maximilian I to Henry VIII: chased horse armor - “Burgundy Bard” (1510) by Guillem Margot, with decorations by Paul van Vreland


    I wonder why the armor is "burgundy"? Bard or barding is horse armor. And that's why "burgundy" is interesting. It seems that some special, "Burgundian" type of horse armor did not exist, although the military ordinances of Charles the Bold recommended that the gendarmes protect their horses with horse armor.
    1. Liam
      Liam April 21 2021 07: 48
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      why "burgundy" is interesting.

      The craftsmen who made it from Burgundy
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 21 2021 09: 30
        +6
        To be precise, from Flanders.
        1. Liam
          Liam April 21 2021 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: Undecim
          To be precise, from Flanders.

          During the described period, Flanders was part of the Reichskreis Burgundy
          1. Undecim
            Undecim April 21 2021 11: 28
            +6
            It's clear. But then it would be logical to exist and other "Burgundian" armor, like the same "Milanese". But we have only one.
            1. Liam
              Liam April 21 2021 11: 56
              +3
              Quote: Undecim
              It's clear. But then it would be logical to exist and other "Burgundian" armor, like the same "Milanese". But we have only one.

              Burgundy is one of the "hotbeds" of the birth of the Gothic school of armor. Gotischer Plattenpanzer. Probably better known by this name
              1. Undecim
                Undecim April 21 2021 14: 09
                +3
                Doubtful version.
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 21 2021 07: 29
    +7
    So, at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, patterns on armor were applied using a grabster (a sharp cutter with beveled edges), which was a very laborious and expensive task.

    The film "Pokrovskie Vorota" immediately comes to mind: "Shtikhel shtikhelyu - strife!"

    Grabstikhel make a preliminary marking of the drawing. And the final finishing is done by other graders.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 21 2021 07: 52
      +5
      That's right! Himself, as soon as I read about "grabstikhel", I immediately remembered this fragment from the film! lol By the way, the description of the armor decoration technique is a very tasty "highlight" of the article!
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 09: 28
      +6
      "Pokrovskie gates": "Shtikhel shtikhel - strife!"

      Rosamund! We have nothing to do here! laughing
      We'll wear ties again
      Now walk without leave,
      We will meet girls
      And see them off until dawn!
      drinks
      Savva Ignatyevich quail "Beer Polka" in a very peculiar way. good
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov April 21 2021 11: 05
        +3
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        Savva Ignatyich very peculiarly quails "Beer Polka"

        Savva! And what carried you with the shtikhels? wassat
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 11: 12
          +4
          Savva! And what carried you with the shtikhels?

          He breaks, I fix! request Yes, such a woman ... to command the front!
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 21 2021 09: 52
    +2
    I wonder why no one writes about the armor of Russia? Is it not interesting or there is no material?
    1. kalibr
      April 21 2021 10: 11
      +8
      Quote: Dzafdet
      I wonder why no one writes about the armor of Russia? Is it not interesting or there is no material?

      Do you know how much one photo from the Armory costs? 7200 RUB And the State Historical Museum, too ... is not trifling. How are you, will you order photos for this article from there or through me? There was a detailed article about the armor of Russia back in 1956 in the journal Soviet Archeology: A.F. Medvedev: On the history of plate armor in Russia. But with disgusting b / w drawings. By the way, it is on the Internet. With the same pictures. You can read it. I personally am not interested in rewriting it, as well as enriching our native state at my own expense. By the way, there is armor in the Hermitage and there you can get a photo for free (well done!), But there is nothing particularly Russian armor there. Basically, again, foreignism ...
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov April 21 2021 11: 21
        +5
        Please: Russian chain mail of the XNUMXth century from the Velikiye Luki Museum:

        As for the dating, I will forgive you not to find fault - as it is written on a plate in the museum (he laughed himself). hi
        1. kalibr
          April 21 2021 11: 53
          +5
          I also have such a chain mail from my Penza Museum of Local Lore. But this is not enough!
          1. Richard
            Richard April 21 2021 13: 54
            +6
            And what about the armor of False Dmitry in the State Military-Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineering Troops and Signal Corps, the city of St. Petersburg?
            1. vladcub
              vladcub April 21 2021 17: 16
              +3
              And what side of False Dmitry to the museum of artillery and communications?
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov April 21 2021 18: 00
                +2
                Quote: vladcub
                And what side of False Dmitry to the museum of artillery and communications?

                Part of the armor, a photograph that Dmitry brought, is kept in the Artillery Museum. The cuirass from this armor is kept in the USA in the Chicago Museum at the Museum of the Institute of Arts.
                The armor is conventionally considered to belong to False Dmitry, judging by the drawing of the royal eagle, which is crowned only with a crown, but does not yet hold a scepter or orb in its paws, the armor was made before 1613. Of the possible candidates for this armor, False Dmitry is best suited, since the armor was made for a rather slender person (which Otrepiev was), and Shuisky and Godunov were portly people.
                And yes: the Artillery Museum has a collection of Western European and Russian armor. hi
          2. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov April 21 2021 14: 36
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            But this is not enough!

            Well, then - Russian rider:

            1. vladcub
              vladcub April 21 2021 16: 59
              +2
              In this case, V.O should look for material, and not deny
              1. kalibr
                April 21 2021 20: 41
                +1
                What to look for? No one wrote better than Medvedev ... And I don't want to repeat his material. And ... what will these three photos give, one of which is through the glass? And I don't want to go to St. Petersburg just for the photo in the Museum of Artillery. Ask someone? Only burden people ... And again - the basis of the material is the text. It should be informative and interesting. In this case, this will not happen!
  • depressant
    depressant April 21 2021 12: 27
    +3
    So I finally got an article about iron codpieces. The President began to speak, and the article appeared on my mobile phone. Apparently, my area is in a gravitational anomaly.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 13: 04
      +4
      The President began to speak, and the article appeared on my mobile phone. Apparently, my area is in a gravitational anomaly.

      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, it turns out that an anomaly is when, as soon as the president opens his mouth, Shpakovsky is immediately published on VO? belay And when the president is silent, then Shpakovsky is hushed up? what
      1. depressant
        depressant April 21 2021 13: 18
        +4
        Believe it or not, I see something like this on a regular basis. Now I am listening to the president talking about modern combat systems. Before that, he threatened that we would install the red line ourselves.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 21 2021 16: 51
          +2
          "that we will install the red one ourselves" is a reasonable decision: who else but us to decide with regard to our interests. Otherwise, poor America will "overstrain" everyone to watch and decide
          1. depressant
            depressant April 21 2021 18: 04
            +2
            Svyatoslav, they say, we have gained strength))) There is already enough for the independent movement of the red barrier back and forth. From the vertical of the details, you see, they pulled - on the barrier, then wassat
            1. kalibr
              April 21 2021 20: 47
              +2
              It would be better to remember how the son of Aam began to dominate in the city of the Hundred Golden Gates ... "No one remembered how they entered the city. But no more than a generation passed, and the science and trade of the city of the Hundred Golden Gates ended up in the hands of this small tribe. They called themselves “the sons of Aam.” Who is stopping us from doing this?
              1. depressant
                depressant April 21 2021 22: 37
                +2
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, the vertical has become stronger! She grew stronger and took on a life separate from her creator, already openly ignoring him. He knocks the links out of it, but the new ones put in their place immediately acquire the properties of the kicked out. It reproduces itself! After listening to today's speech, I realized that the Creator understood that the bifurcation point had been passed, gave up and would pay off the recalcitrant structure with a stream of piastres, which would pour into its regional parts. And it is permissible for them, these parts, as you understand, within the boundaries of the created laws to appropriate a part of the national product under the guise of making up development plans, but not to develop development, because there is no need to strain when it is easier to steal. It's like an artificial intelligence that got out of the control of the creators, it itself takes control of them. The collection process is complete.
                1. kalibr
                  April 22 2021 07: 30
                  +2
                  Me, me, tekel, uparsin!
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 21 2021 20: 47
          +1
          Absolutely in the mainstream of the anecdote hero. "If you don’t like the yellow one, get the red one!"
      2. vladcub
        vladcub April 21 2021 16: 45
        +2
        Nikolay, for God's sake, don't talk about it loudly, otherwise I'm afraid V.O. will be proud and then what?
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 16: 53
          +3
          Nikolay, for God's sake, don't talk about it loudly, otherwise I'm afraid V.O. will be proud and then what?

          Really... belay Then the nose will still close up, the mustache will grow twice as wide, and it will cease to communicate with us. wink And you will have to persuade him with all the kagal: "Dear sir, our Vyacheslav Olegovich, won't you deign to get proud back?" lol drinks
          1. vladcub
            vladcub April 21 2021 19: 42
            +2
            Let's ask him: is this possible?
            However, he himself confirmed that his own Wishlist decides
            1. depressant
              depressant April 21 2021 22: 41
              +3
              Eh, Svyatoslav, in our era of overthrowing idols everything is possible! Everything for which they do not give a hand! yes
              1. vladcub
                vladcub April 22 2021 08: 13
                +2
                Sometimes you want not just a hand, but "birch porridge", as Shurik Smirnov brought up. Although it is despotism, it is sometimes necessary
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 April 22 2021 08: 29
                  +3
                  Good morning!
                  Svyatoslav, the hero of Smirnov noticed on this occasion that this is not our method! That's why I love the section * History *? For the local liberal / in a good way! / Customs. And new knowledge, and communication with interesting people?
                  1. depressant
                    depressant April 22 2021 08: 57
                    +3
                    Good morning friends!)))
                    New knowledge - yes, it can be extremely useful. They tell me that everything in this world repeats itself. Take the same Henry the Eighth. In 1520, being young and economically unreasonable, he emptied the treasury, squandered money for lavish celebrations with friends, but so devastated and squandered that for many years the prudent ministers Cromwell and Wolsey could not close the gap in the treasury with their efforts. In the end, they got tired of their whining and illegal, from the point of view of Henry, actions, and he executed Cromwell, and Wolsey contrived to die himself. This is if we leave aside the constantly growing tax pressure on the population amid a feast during the plague.
                    I watched the video of yesterday's protests. Does not leave the impression of a well-played political spectacle. Who needs it? To me - no! Not a single demand "Where are our jobs? Workers - out! Oligarchs - to the answer!" and others the same. That Furgal, then Navalny - yes, so for you! Substitution of concepts. There are no leaders, no new theoreticians.
                  2. vladcub
                    vladcub April 22 2021 20: 29
                    0
                    I remember: "Shurik, are you a member of the Komsomol?" Immediately became on you.
  • iouris
    iouris April 21 2021 13: 34
    0
    Not Tudors, but Tudor. After Henry VIII, the male line was virtually cut off.
    1. kalibr
      April 21 2021 16: 35
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      After Henry VIII, the male line was virtually cut off.

      But there was a woman, and with them, women, they also made armor. The era was TUDOROV, dishes, furniture, fashion and armor too ...
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 April 21 2021 13: 55
    +3
    Good day. Colleagues probably noticed that I do not always comment on Vyacheslav Olegovich. The fact is that I do not always find the time or do not see what interests me.
    Today I am really happy: for the first time in recent days there is a worthy author, there is an opportunity to talk with friends.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 16: 00
      +3
      Today I am really happy: for the first time in recent days there is a worthy author, there is an opportunity to talk with friends.

      Vera, I will support you with all my hands, buns and a propeller. love Sometimes the site is not very interesting to read. request
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 21 2021 17: 27
        +3
        "Handmade"! Hand throwing buns onto the propeller! laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 17: 37
          +3
          "Handmade"! Hand throwing buns onto the propeller!

          Buns, sir - this is a deeply personal, existentially-deep pleasure, and you won't eat them anyhow, especially since you won't throw your unwashed hand-made on the spinning blades! wink For this is already an unreasonable waste of a strategically important product! stop Tell me about the jam!drinks
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov April 21 2021 18: 06
            +5
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            For this is already an unreasonable waste of a strategically important product!

            "- You fight money, but you regret cinnamon!" wassat
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 April 21 2021 18: 06
        +4
        Don't say: such a longing for adequate material
    2. Richard
      Richard April 21 2021 16: 23
      +6
      Good day. Colleagues, you probably noticed that I do not always comment on Vyacheslav Olegovich.

      Of course we did. And we condemn. Who will direct him on the right path, if not commentators' friends?
      Fig. Commentators tactfully direct Vyacheslav Olegovich in the right direction laughing
      1. kalibr
        April 21 2021 16: 38
        +4
        Alas, dear Richard! Now everything is decided by my want, I do not want, interesting - not interesting, like it - not poisoned. I used to be able to force myself to write what I needed. Now not at all. Articles prepared for writing in files hang on the screen. And an inner voice says to me: "Not that ..." And you sit and stupidly look for "that."
        1. Richard
          Richard April 21 2021 17: 19
          +4
          Vyacheslav Olegovich hi
          How do you like this post from today's "Novosti" thread from the article "They write about the Second Front, but not a word about the Battle of Stalingrad: Putin spoke about history books"?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 21 2021 17: 25
            +3
            So this is "Seeker"! Famous character.
          2. kalibr
            April 21 2021 17: 37
            +3
            There is such a thing as the novelty of the information provided. What new can you write about PPSh, Degtyarev and Kalashnikov? NOTHING! And since NOTHING, what to write? It is necessary to write about what is of interest to the reader. Does this "seeker" need? Let him himself look for something new and write about his native Russian military equipment. And ... again, I don't mind. I AM FOR! Let the Kremlin Armory set up a website like the American Metropolitan Museum where ALL PHOTOS WILL BE PUBLIC DOMINE and you can copy them freely, or, like in Sweden, copy, and even send requests ... That's when ... I'm ready, at least about write anything and illustrate the article with excellent photos. But this is not, well ... then it must be so. Why would I shove my bare ass on a hedgehog or suck out of my finger what everyone already knows? This is not to respect readers - that is my opinion.
            By the way, in the history textbooks for grades 9-10 about the Battle of Stalingrad there is ...
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 22 2021 08: 09
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              What new can you write about PPSh, Degtyarev and Kalashnikov? NOTHING!

              Oh, wish you it! Imagine ... On YouTube, almost every year, videos by different authors about "PPSh, Degtyarev and Kalashnikov ..." are released! yes
              1. kalibr
                April 22 2021 09: 00
                +1
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Oh, wish you it! Imagine ... On YouTube, almost every year, videos by different authors about "PPSh, Degtyarev and Kalashnikov ..." are released!

                Come out! And the only new thing in them is their faces, the timbre of the voice, the ability to behave on the air and ... the video sequence!
          3. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 22: 01
            +3
            How do you like this post from today's thread "News

            Such "patriots" are destroying the entire forum ...
  • Stormsdruttin
    Stormsdruttin April 21 2021 14: 01
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    The wound was periodically opened until the end of life (the good doctors of that time had such a fashion), and the smell from it was still the same!

    Henry VIII developed diabetes mellitus - accordingly, the wound received at the tournament did not heal for the rest of his life. It's good that gangrene did not start and he did not lose his leg.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 21 2021 16: 01
      +3
      Henry VIII developed diabetes mellitus - accordingly, the wound received at the tournament did not heal for the rest of his life. It's good that gangrene did not start and he did not lose his leg.

      Alexey, I didn't know about such nuances of the king's health! Thank you! drinks
    2. depressant
      depressant April 21 2021 19: 29
      +3
      It's not just diabetes, Stormsdruttin's counterpart. A trophic ulcer is very poorly treated even now (one such poor fellow has been walking past my house for many years, using a special stand in the form of a bench, the leg is lifted up, it was scary to look at, but already a little bit healed, the smell - yes, there was), there is also gout ! Swollen, sore joints. But the higher one also ate to know how! Continuous hunts, fat game, river wine, continuous feasts.
      And after all, what is surprising, Margaret Beaufort, Henry's grandmother, raised him as a sweet, cultured young man who loved music, composed himself, went in for sports. However, young Henry very quickly learned and fell in love with the charms of a scattered lifestyle, which in those days were expressed in a series of cheerful royal feasts with friends and festivities with plentiful feasts. And the older the king got, the less he moved, sport as a purposeful action left his life, and immediately gout came. Plus the ill-fated wound, which turned into a trophic ulcer, limited movement. Being a tall man (height 186 cm) by the end of his life, the king weighed under 200 kg, and had a waist measuring almost 140 cm.
  • depressant
    depressant April 21 2021 14: 05
    +4
    I liked the horse muzzle sent to Henry VIII among other armor by Maximillian I. Where is my cloth before him! I'm ready to laugh to wear that. Here is the happiness for Henrikhova's horse
    ((( belay )))
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 April 21 2021 15: 11
      +4
      I cannot approve of such a step. laughing
      Man sounds proudly! soldier
      1. depressant
        depressant April 21 2021 15: 21
        +3
        But what a muzzle! And there below is a photo of the complete vestment of the horse - what an iron blanket! Throw it to me, Seryozha. They are greeted by clothes, so long as they don't take them off. And if they take it off, you have to be guided through your mind - not to swing your license, because without armor it doesn't swing, and it’s not a man anymore. yes ))))
        1. Richard
          Richard April 21 2021 16: 07
          +5
          But what a muzzle! I'm ready to laugh to wear that.

          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I fully support you.
          Such a muzzle, especially impregnated with an antiseptic, is by far the best protection against COVID. yes
          And if you also take into account that you will be allowed to pass everywhere without a queue, then .... in general - super wink
          Phil just didn't consider all the options. laughing
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 April 21 2021 18: 02
            +2
            They will only cruise at the temple, but not explicitly. It is not known what the reaction will be
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 April 21 2021 18: 38
            +3
            Dima, hello! I have a pathological dislike for such * delights *! Moreover, according to the indistinct orders of an indistinct organ led by an indistinct lady! On this occasion, the opinions of experts are more attractive to me, and their answer is unambiguous! To save and help a HEALTHY man! These products are not capable . Completely and completely. They are needed by those who have fallen ill, so that ... in order to avoid spread. Well, I do not like the crowd. And I do not want to be in the crowd. hi
            1. Richard
              Richard April 21 2021 19: 09
              +3
              Hi Seryozha
              And I, like Lyudmila Yakovlevna, for fun, too, would go for a walk in a similar helmet. The police won't pick on hi But I’m just afraid of meeting with homeless people and gypsies - those in the beauty of knightly armor do not understand at all and will immediately hand over a similar muzzle together with its owner to the scrap metal collection point laughing
          3. depressant
            depressant April 22 2021 08: 59
            +1
            Or, having identified, some craftsman will throw the bridle. We'll have to laugh)))
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 22 2021 08: 13
          +3
          Madam! Have I ever met you at the Politicus? love
          1. depressant
            depressant April 22 2021 09: 05
            +1
            Nikolaevich, who are you talking to? )))
            If to me, then, besides VO, I have never been and never have been. There is still enough prudence))))
            And ... I can assume that Politicus is such an Internet resource inhabited by politicized users?
            I'll go take a look.
            1. depressant
              depressant April 22 2021 09: 18
              +1
              I looked. I read a well-written article by some (some) Baor Tandash about the impressions of the president's message, which is perceived by the author as the quatrains of Nostradamus, you need to unravel. I prefer the direct speech of Edgar Cayce.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 April 21 2021 14: 52
    +2
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I have a question on the topic.
    I decided to re-read Ivanhoe and: "now he put up for sale six knightly armor of Milanese work" in the time of Richard the Lionheart, was the Milan armor the best? But what about Salzburg? It seems they had a brand: "Volchek". At that time, the most notable weapon brands were the spinning top, lily and scorpion. So I remember from the novel: "Dagger"
    1. kalibr
      April 21 2021 16: 45
      +5
      Dear Astra! You have confused God's gift with scrambled eggs, and all thanks to the incompetence of the author Ivanhoe. There were NO MILAN ARMORs in Richard's time. "Volchok" is the mark of swordsmen, not armors. And where does Salzburg have to do with it? Solingen! Pay attention: I always write under the photo of the armor, who is the master, from which city ... years. So it’s just to find out who, where, when it’s not difficult. As for the Milanese armor, the peak of their glory is ... the 15th century, the end of it, the beginning of the 16th ... And when did Richard the Lionheart live? There is my book on the Internet by the publishing house Lomonosov:
      It can be read online - everything is described in great detail and simply.
      There are two books in the School Guide series: Knights and Crusaders.
      There are beautiful pictures and there are even fiction stories - it is interesting to read. The Internet should be.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 April 21 2021 17: 52
        +4
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, why blame me?
        Which one of us is an expert in knightly weapons, you or me?
        R.
        S.
        "Thanks to the incompetence of the author," agree that Walter Scott vividly described knightly armor and the tournament. Probably, someone misled him. In this case, it is necessary to blame the one who misled the author. It will be fairer
        1. kalibr
          April 21 2021 19: 35
          +3
          Do I reproach you? I state a real fact and point out the reason for it. Walter Scott lied ... And what claims can there be against you? None!
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 21 2021 16: 27
    +3
    "their weight was not small, 3,2 kg" in the name of procreation, I was carrying 5 kg
    1. depressant
      depressant April 21 2021 19: 50
      +4
      That's right, Svyatoslav! And then the armed knights wandered in the crowd of people and, looking predatory around, poked their swords at all the reproductive organs passing by wassat )))
      1. Richard
        Richard April 21 2021 20: 29
        +3
        armed knights wandered among the crowd of people and, glancing predatoryly around, poked their swords at all the reproductive organs passing by

        Not all the reproductive organs passing by, but all passing members of the medieval society. repeat
        1. depressant
          depressant April 21 2021 20: 35
          +3
          Dima, you are shy, however! But do not be shy about me, for my cynicism has no limit laughing my shamelessness is tantamount to the attitude of a pathologist to a corpse in a morgue yes )))
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 21 2021 21: 39
            +3
            "Both the poor and the rich,
            We are equally needed! -
            Said the pathologist,
            And he wiped the scalpel on his pants "(C)
            1. depressant
              depressant April 21 2021 22: 19
              +3
              Then he threw off his pants
              And he irrigated the corpse with urine,
              Without exchanging for questions:
              The corpse asked for that, he did not ask!

              Oh, sorry for the dirty trick repeat wassat
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 21 2021 17: 26
    +3
    "a lockable glove for a tournament, isn't it good for a fight?"
    Most likely - the knight could not fasten the glove himself, which means that the squire helped him
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 April 21 2021 19: 35
    +5
    "holes for breathing on the visor" we are at work in "disposable" (I have been wearing 2 pieces since October: white and naked, alternating between) we suffocate, and what was the knights like in those cans, and if in the summer.
    In the 90s, there was an advertisement on TV: several horsemen were riding through the desert and one after another fell from sunstroke, and the back one with a frying pan on his head sings praising the non-stick coating
    1. kalibr
      April 21 2021 20: 53
      +4
      Probably tomorrow it will be about Lermontov's duel ...
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 April 22 2021 15: 38
        0
        Alas, I did not find a duel, perhaps in the evening?
        1. kalibr
          April 22 2021 16: 03
          0
          Quote: Astra wild2


          Evening shift at 18.00. True, there will be another article, not about a duel ...
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok April 21 2021 23: 42
    +3
    I always enjoy reading your articles. White spot on the background of nigella.
    PS. For the first time, at the age of 6, I saw real armor, in the Armory Chamber of Moscow, later in the Hermitage and in Odessa museums. Then in Tula.