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"Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure

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The U.S. Air Force fails the first flight tests of the latest hypersonic weaponshaving failed. This is stated in the message of the command of the Air Force.


On April 5, the US Air Force reportedly conducted the first flight test of a hypersonic missile under the ARRW (Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon) program. However, due to technical problems that arose, it was not possible to launch the rocket. It is stated that during the tests, the military planned to check the safe separation of the rocket from the carrier, as well as evaluate the behavior of the rocket at operating speeds.

U.S. Air Force fails to test hypersonic technology (...) launch vehicle failed

- stated in the Air Force.

It is noted that during the tests, the B-52 Stratofortress strategic bomber tried to launch a missile, but the "launch sequence" did not work. Having received the command to return, the bomber landed at a US Air Force base in California, where tests were being carried out.

The beginning of flight tests of the first prototype of the American promising hypersonic aeroballistic missile ARRW (Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon) was reported in early March this year. Earlier, a rocket mock-up took part in the tests.

The AGM-183A ARRW rocket is being created in response to similar developments in Russia and China. The first to be armed with a hypersonic missile will be the B-52H Stratofortress strategic bombers (four missiles for one strategist).
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 April 6 2021 19: 08
    +19
    "Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure
    Problems as problems ... not for the first or last time.
    1. poquello
      poquello April 6 2021 19: 37
      +28
      Quote: rocket757
      "Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure
      Problems as problems ... not for the first or last time.

      so there was a howl, like "what a garbage, iskaner hung up", but even skis do not go
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana April 6 2021 19: 52
        +14
        "Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure

        And it's very good, because without American hypersonic missiles, countries without war on Earth will be more whole for a longer time!
        1. hrych
          hrych April 6 2021 20: 24
          +18
          In the Dagger-Mig-31 complex, in fact, it is the Mig-31 that is not superfluous. Although it was said that the Tu-22M3 is also a promising carrier, this is not the case. He holds the X-32 in high esteem, including the hypersonic version. But the Dagger starts in the stratosphere, where the MiG-31 has no competitors and the higher the start, the farther it flies, and the initial speed of the Dagger is already closer to three swings. It also experiences less air resistance in the stratosphere. His TTRD works for a short time and this is enough to reach hypersound from 2-3 swings, and there the mother ballistics will help. This is the case for the Kh-32 LPRE and it works longer, especially since the Zircon ramjet engine works longer. Therefore, the Kh-32 will rise into the stratosphere by itself from 10 thousand and with an initial supersonic speed from the Tu-22M3, and Zircon generally rises into the stratosphere from the surface and at zero speed, although initially it is accelerated by a turbojet engine to the operation of a ramjet engine. This means that the American version, not being born, is already inferior to all three versions of our missiles. If it is aeroballistic, like a Dagger with a turbojet engine, it will lose energy when it rises into the stratosphere from the B-52 launch altitude, and will lose energy for acceleration from subsonic speed. When accelerating to hypersound outside the stratosphere, it will be very hot, etc.
          1. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 6 2021 21: 12
            -3
            1. The ceiling of the B-52 is modest 16,75 km (the density is less than 1/6 of the sea level), therefore the "Stratofortress"
            2. Iskander / Dagger flies entirely, and according to the principle "and then mother ballistics will help."
            ARRW has a detachable small wedge-shaped BB. Those. "glider".
            1. poquello
              poquello April 6 2021 21: 33
              +8
              Quote: Alarmist79
              Ceiling B-52 modest 16,75 km

              uh-huh, and the speed is three times lower than a minute
              1. Alarmist79
                Alarmist79 April 6 2021 22: 33
                .
                And the load is less by how many times? The fact that a rocket can only fly fully from very special aircraft ONE as a reason for pride is powerful, yes.
                1. poquello
                  poquello April 6 2021 22: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Alarmist79
                  And the load is less by how many times? The fact that a rocket can only fly fully from very special aircraft ONE as a reason for pride is powerful, yes.

                  uh, when she flies with them, and it will be clear how far - the range from 500 IMHO will be corrected, pt the reason
                  1. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 6 2021 23: 11
                    .
                    The S-500 will not be able to shoot down maneuvering hypersonic targets by increasing the range. And if on airplanes - then there is a terrible curvature of the Earth, etc.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello April 6 2021 23: 17
                      +4
                      Quote: Alarmist79
                      And if on airplanes - then there is a terrible curvature of the Earth, etc.

                      they howled about the curvature of the earth when the 10km cornets were preparing, it did not seem to interfere, the enemies were in shock. Do you even know how long-range missile systems work on a target, for example?
                      1. Alarmist79
                        Alarmist79 April 6 2021 23: 32
                        -7
                        = about the curvature of the earth howled when 10 km of cornets were being prepared, it did not seem to interfere, the enemies were in shock. =
                        The curvature was referred to during the first strikes on Syria.

                        = Do you even know how long-range missiles work on a target, for example? =
                        By external target designation, either the Air Force or satellites. Moreover, no one tried to direct the air defense system from satellites. There is nothing left - to start a powerful AWACS fleet.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello April 6 2021 23: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        = about the curvature of the earth howled when 10 km of cornets were being prepared, it did not seem to interfere, the enemies were in shock. =
                        The curvature was referred to during the first strikes on Syria.

                        ?
                        The fire from the ATGM was conducted from a distance of 6 kilometers. For the militants, it was like strikes out of nowhere because there was no way to determine the location of the firing point.
                        Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2430013.html


                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        = Do you even know how long-range missiles work on a target, for example? =
                        By external target designation, either the Air Force or satellites. Moreover, no one tried to direct the air defense system from satellites. There is nothing left - to start a powerful AWACS fleet.

                        the main thing was missed, at the direction of the object zone, and the speed of the c500 missiles is high
                      3. Alarmist79
                        Alarmist79 April 7 2021 07: 20
                        -4
                        = =
                        This is Leonkov in 2019
                        "... due to the curvature of the earth's surface, there is no way we can get these missiles."

                        = the main thing was missed, as indicated by the zone of the object, =
                        An indication of what?
                      4. poquello
                        poquello April 7 2021 09: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        "... due to the curvature of the earth's surface, there is no way we can get these missiles."

                        ndya, "Step tension arises between the legs if you inadvertently grab the bare end with your hand")
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        An indication of what?

                        But you never know, you need to consider the speed of the rocket at the speed of the object, the distance, etc., given that b52 for this rocket as a standing IMHO everything converges
                      5. Alarmist79
                        Alarmist79 April 7 2021 10: 20
                        0
                        = Step voltage =
                        Thank you powerful text. Almost Leonko ... Dostoevsky.

                        = yes a little =
                        It is not enough. A-50 / 50U we have 9 pcs. for 2020, the A-100 is still in testing.
                        If the B-52s are found by interceptors, they need to target themselves.
                      6. poquello
                        poquello April 7 2021 16: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        It is not enough.

                        it is necessary to count, I was not thoroughly interested, according to estimates, maybe even from over-the-horizon radars, well, no one canceled the network center, but ours seem to integrate it in an adult way
                      7. Alarmist79
                        Alarmist79 April 7 2021 18: 15
                        +1
                        = according to estimates, it can even be from over-the-horizon radars, =
                        At the same time, this gives a decent accuracy of target designation.
                        "ZG surface wave radars designed to detect surface and airborne objects, as a rule, operate in the frequency range of 3-20 MHz and have a bistatic configuration. The detection range of surface and aircraft is usually 200-400 km in the sector in azimuth 110-140 degrees. "
                        Everything is sad, in general.

                        = well, no one canceled the network center =
                        The network should receive information about some kind of "sensors".

                        In general, our long-range air defense systems are good, but, according to the old tradition, they forgot to fasten the proper target designation to them. On a good basis, it would be necessary to build a LOT of AWACS, but we have "everything is fine."
                      8. poquello
                        poquello April 7 2021 19: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        Decent targeting accuracy

                        What for?
                        Voronezh gives 100 meters, that's enough.
                      9. Alarmist79
                        Alarmist79 April 7 2021 20: 21
                        +1
                        Voronezh is not a ZGRLS, it is over-the-horizon. And this cynically means that he will see the B-52 at an altitude of 16 thousand from about 500 km.
                    2. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik April 7 2021 20: 57
                      -2
                      Quote: Alarmist79
                      On a good basis, it would be necessary to build a LOT of AWACS, but we have "and so everything is fine."

                      People just don't understand the essence of the problem. They do not realize that our air defense system is just a colander without AWACS.
                    3. Alarmist79
                      Alarmist79 April 7 2021 22: 50
                      0
                      Uh-huh. Our people have a shamanic spell "echeloned air defense", which nullifies all godly speculations about suspicious foreign gizmos. Moreover, this mystical entity controls the entire perimeter of borders from a height of zero meters, yes.
                    4. poquello
                      poquello April 8 2021 01: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                      Quote: Alarmist79
                      On a good basis, it would be necessary to build a LOT of AWACS, but we have "and so everything is fine."

                      People just don't understand the essence of the problem. They do not realize that our air defense system is just a colander without AWACS.

                      )))))))))))))))))) I'm waiting for revelations
                    5. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik April 8 2021 02: 27
                      -4
                      What revelations? Why should I explain something to you? You are just an ordinary Internet troll who does not understand anything in the pictures that you post. Be glad that normal people communicate with you in a human way, it's a pity of course that you don't understand anything.
                    6. poquello
                      poquello April 8 2021 09: 32
                      0
                      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                      Why should I explain something to you?

                      draining counted
                  2. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 8 2021 09: 00
                    +1
                    At the bottom left of the picture there is an inscription - there is something about missile launches. Ballistic. Those. flying at heights of thousands of kilometers.
                    For everyone else, curvature works. Already lower stratospheric targets of the B-52 type on the ceiling, they see at a distance of hundreds of kilometers. Those. even they could, for example, fly in a parade in the Taimyr region and not be noticed in the picture.
                    For "Tomahawk" at 60 m, the horizon is 29 km, even on flat terrain like a table, the radio horizon is a little further. In practice, the "table" was not delivered, so everything is even worse.
                  3. poquello
                    poquello April 8 2021 10: 05
                    0
                    Quote: Alarmist79
                    Already lower stratospheric targets of the B-52 type on the ceiling, they see at a distance of hundreds of kilometers

                    ) the target range at an altitude of 16000m, count on the horizon
                  4. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 8 2021 11: 02
                    +1
                    There are online calculators. 479.176 km. What are we talking about.
                  5. poquello
                    poquello April 8 2021 14: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Alarmist79
                    There are online calculators. 479.176 km. What are we talking about.

                    maybe then the online supercalculator will explain the control of helicopters in Norway by the Voronezh station)
                  6. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 8 2021 17: 16
                    +1
                    It cannot, because these are "Norwegian helicopters - this is a corny result of reading the simplest text not with your eyes.
                    Original phrase
                    "Radar" Voronezh "in the village of Lekhtusi provides tracking missile launches at the Kiruna (Sweden) and Anne (Norway) ranges, as well as for planes and helicopters in its area of ​​responsibility".
                    Russian in white says that in Norway radar monitors missile launches at ranges. AND "as well as" behind the helicopters.
                    And there are SUDDENLY helicopters and much closer to Lekhtusi in the Leningrad region than the Norwegians.
                  7. poquello
                    poquello April 8 2021 19: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Alarmist79
                    It cannot, because these are "Norwegian helicopters - this is a corny result of reading the simplest text

                    in in, only another, look where the work of the radar for the Ministry of Defense was demonstrated
                  8. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 8 2021 22: 56
                    +1
                    What should I look for, stubborn nonsense about observation of Norwegian helicopters from the Leningrad region by the over-the-horizon Voronezh? It does not exist.
                    And this exists
                    "In the west of the radar station in Lehtusi she performed a miracle, just a month ago discovering a massive meteorological missile launch from the Annee range in the Norwegian Sea and showed its combat capabilities. She guaranteed to confirm the fact of launches ",
                  9. poquello
                    poquello April 9 2021 00: 03
                    -1
                    Quote: Alarmist79
                    What should I look for, stubborn nonsense about observation of Norwegian helicopters from the Leningrad region by the over-the-horizon Voronezh? It does not exist.
                    And this exists
                    "In the west of the radar station in Lehtusi she performed a miracle, just a month ago discovering a massive meteorological missile launch from the Annee range in the Norwegian Sea and showed its combat capabilities. She guaranteed to confirm the fact of launches ",

                    OK, I'll look for it myself, but for now, use the online supercalculator to calculate the approximate coordinates of the extreme point at a distance of 6000 km
                  10. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 9 2021 00: 22
                    +2
                    Good luck, I'm curious myself. There is either just an erroneous interpretation a la the given text, or it is a "Star" that something really um ... stubbornly. For an official channel, something is too dashing.

                    = for now, use the online supercalculator to calculate the approximate coordinates of the extreme point at a distance of 6 km =
                    ?
                  11. poquello
                    poquello April 9 2021 02: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Alarmist79
                    Good luck, I'm curious myself. There is either just an erroneous interpretation a la the given text, or

                    no, this is my jamb, the airfield in Norway was watched from the Container
                  12. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 9 2021 07: 57
                    +1
                    Well, we figured it out :)
  • hrych
    hrych April 6 2021 22: 58
    +3
    Quote: Alarmist79
    ONE BY ONE

    Isn't it enough to blow up the city? Given the uniqueness, that's enough, and what is simpler is the Tu-22M3 with two or three x-32s. It is possible to hang 5 Daggers and at least the unfortunate B-52 will be outdone in performance characteristics. By the way, at the expense of Zircon. And who said that they will not make an aviation base. Onyx and Brahmos, on the other hand, has all modifications, from ground (mobile), underwater, surface (ship) to aviation. Why is Zircon worse? Tu-22M3 will raise him to the border of the stratosphere, and then he himself.
    1. Alarmist79
      Alarmist79 April 6 2021 23: 08
      -5
      = Not enough to blow up a city? =
      Non-nuclear equipment? Naturally not. Plus, you obviously confused Iskander with an ICBM. The dagger is a tactical weapon.

      = Given the uniqueness, enough, =
      What is "uniqueness"?

      = You can hang 5 Daggers and at least the unfortunate B-52 =
      The unfortunate man, however, will carry dozens of missiles.

      = surpassed in performance characteristics. =
      On what grounds? The difference in performance characteristics of carriers? So the rockets are fundamentally different.
      1. hrych
        hrych April 6 2021 23: 16
        +4
        The B-52 has not carried a single one yet and we have a Tu-95 opposite. All our tactical missiles carry nuclear warheads. It is customary for us to make anti-ship missiles, anti-aircraft guided missiles, torpedoes and mines with SBS, even our artillery shells are good. There is a TNW where we have more nuclear warheads from the whole world put together.
        1. Alarmist79
          Alarmist79 April 7 2021 00: 17
          -6
          = B-52 has not been carrying a single one yet and we have a Tu-95 opposite. =
          Service ceiling Tu-95 MS - 10,5 km. Less than the 52nd, even slightly stronger than the B-52 in relation to the MiG-25. The difference in air density in specific kg / m3 is practically the same.

          = All tactical missiles carry our nuclear warhead. =
          And a nuclear warhead shot at one city is the main and only option for their use? Or is it not?

          = There is a TNW where we have more nuclear warheads from the whole world put together. =
          Is that in data from independent Ukrainians, which the United States is actively using in propaganda. The standard estimate is 2 thousand.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar April 6 2021 23: 12
      -1
      Quote: hrych
      Isn't it enough to blow up the city?

      Do you have information about the installation on the "Dagger" SBCH? So far, nothing has been heard even about the serial production of conventional ones.

      Quote: hrych
      and what is simpler is the Tu-22M3 with two or three x-32

      Tu-22M carries no more than two missiles. Three are in the "ferry" version (for transportation from place to place). Plus, they say that the X-32 has somehow calmed down: the tests have passed, but the missile is not supplied to the Air Force.

      Quote: hrych
      You can hang 5 Daggers

      What's so humble? Ten already at once and more heels in the trailer to leave.

      Quote: hrych
      By the way, at the expense of Zircon. And who said that they will not make an aviation base.

      First, let at least some base be allowed into the series, and then it will be seen.

      Quote: hrych
      Onyx and Brahmos, on the other hand, has all modifications, from ground (mobile), underwater, surface (ship) to aviation.

      By the way, did the aircraft version of the Onyx reach our Air Force in the end? It is claimed that it exists in nature, but information about launches (test or training) did not come across.
      1. hrych
        hrych April 6 2021 23: 28
        +4
        The dagger is on experimental combat duty and is actually put into service. The X-32 was put into service for a long time, about 5 years ago. We don't really need aviation onyx. This is what the Indians need. And we have hypersonic ones on the way and our naval aviation is represented by more powerful aircraft with a large radius, etc. "BrahMos-2" is apparently the essence of export Zircon.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 7 2021 01: 13
          -3
          But only M32M can carry it (X3), which is still one and not yet ready. In addition, it is a kind of anti-ship missile system.
        2. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 08: 03
          +5
          Why would you? The X-22 and X-32 are one thing, we can say that the X-32 is only a modification of the X-22. The airframe has not been changed, the engine is more efficient, the warhead weight has been reduced and the fuel has been increased by this volume. GOS is more perfect. Just with an increase in the range to 1000 km, I had to transfer it from tactical anti-ship missiles to strategic / tactical ones. The Kh-22, and so, depending on the modification and trajectory, reached hypersound, the airframe and the engine allowed it, it just became a priority now. It compares favorably with the Dagger with a fast-burning turbojet engine and direct-flow Zircon, in that it has a liquid-propellant engine, where the oxidizer is on board, and not from air. Therefore, it is able to climb to a great height, about 70 km (the upper part of the stratosphere and closer to space), greatly expanding the horizon, the range of detection and target acquisition, and then diving on the target receives additional acceleration due to the gravity vector. When diving, it withstands direct hits from missiles and successfully flies into the side of a large ship such as an aircraft carrier. But this is conditional, according to tradition, there will be an SBS and a detonation immediately in a dense layer, at an altitude of 5 kilometers, and the blast wave will hit the target, even the target. Well, now the city can be burned.
        3. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 08: 44
          0
          Quote: hrych
          Why would you? X-22 and X-32 are one thing, we can say that the X-32 is only a modification of the X-22

          Her "head" was changed. Apparently, now to launch it, new equipment is needed on the carrier itself, which is only in the latest modifications.
        4. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 09: 06
          +1
          Quote: Kalmar
          Her "head" was changed.

          This is how unification is in vogue. If the GOS is changed, the plane is not changed laughing
        5. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 09: 16
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          This is how unification is in vogue. If the GOS is changed, the plane is not changed

          There is a concept of backward compatibility. And it is not always provided, but only when necessary. New "brains" can have a completely different element base and other protocols for exchanging data with the carrier. In this case, backward compatibility with the old equipment could be considered impractical, since the planes are still planned to be modernized. Everything is logical, if you think a little.
        6. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 09: 26
          +1
          No need to fantasize, no one will change the plane for a new seeker of the same rocket. It's just ... stupid. The rocket is a consumable, the rocket is one of the range of weapons.
        7. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 09: 36
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          No need to fantasize, no one will change the plane for a new seeker of the same rocket

          Once again: the aircraft, one way or another, is subject to modernization with the update of the avionics. In the battle, if something happens, it is the modernized aircraft that will go first. New missiles are also made for new equipment; there is simply no point in ensuring compatibility with the old one.

          Quote: hrych
          The rocket is a consumable, the rocket is one of the range of weapons.

          But the PKR is not a NURS, to which it is enough to bring an electric trigger. The rocket needs to correctly transfer the flight mission, to launch it correctly. In the "History" section of this site there is a recent article about how the Argentines prepared "Exocet" for a ground launch - read it.
        8. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 09: 46
          +1
          Why crush from empty to empty? The seeker captures the target, which is indicated on the remote control, the pilot presses on the contact, the expelling squib is triggered, separating the product from the suspension and the ignition is delayed to start the product's engine, if it is not a freely falling bomb. Either the product is sent to the meeting point with the target, where the GOS also captures the target itself. What has changed? No, you are here, you pose some problems. wassat GOS yes, they are improving, but communication with the board is simple and uncomplicated. Why be wise?
        9. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 10: 23
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          Either the product is sent to the meeting point with the target, where the GOS also captures the target itself.

          It is at this stage that the exchange takes place: the flight task is loaded into the product, i.e. information about this very rendezvous point to which one should fly. And the launch is not just the triggering of the squib (you read about the "Exoset", it is well-written there).
        10. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 11: 21
          +1
          If 5 years ago there was no mention of the Tu-22M3M, what was the X-32 tested and adopted on? In your opinion, the rocket was adopted, but there was no carrier? The main modernization concerns the unification of the Tu-22 systems with the Tu-160, including engines and the inclusion of a reduced X-101/102 in the nomenclature. They also stutter about Daggers. Of course, the Kh-32 will also remain the main weapon of this old-new aircraft.
        11. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          If 5 years ago there was no mention of the Tu-22M3M, what was the X-32 tested and adopted on?

          As is usually done: they took one car, put some updated equipment on it and tested it. This update is further, I believe, included already in the general set of works on modernization to M3M.
        12. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Kalmar
          some updated equipment and tested

          wassat What prevents you from betting on all the others? Why break the plane? Now this super-duper apparatus is about the size of a box of chocolates. Well, unlike the early systems, a reconciliation with GLONASS was added, but perhaps nothing more new. Processors have become more compact, sensors are more sensitive, but neither the principles nor the algorithms have changed. Target selection and resistance to electronic warfare, so again the GOS is the case, and the aircraft does not see these targets beyond the horizon at all, guidance by external target designation, as it was, remains the same.
        13. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 11: 54
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          What prevents you from betting on all the others?

          Well, here they are - as part of the modernization to M3M. An airplane is a complex product that requires an integrated approach.

          Quote: hrych
          Why break the plane?

          Who breaks it? They are modernizing the same.

          Quote: hrych
          Now this super-duper apparatus is about the size of a box of chocolates.

          Maybe. Perhaps larger. However, its installation is not tuning the batin "six", where everything can be put on electrical tape and self-tapping screws. Here and integration with the rest of the avionics, and ensuring electromagnetic compatibility and all sorts of other subtle points.

          Quote: hrych
          Processors have become more compact, sensors are more sensitive, but neither the principles nor the algorithms have changed.

          Algorithms can change very significantly in order to benefit from new processors (with a completely different architecture) and sensitive sensors.

          Quote: hrych
          Well, unlike the early systems, a reconciliation with GLONASS was added, but perhaps nothing more new

          I suppose you know better.
        14. hrych
          hrych April 7 2021 12: 14
          +1
          I repeat, the modification concerns the unification with the Tu-160, including the installation of its engines in the future. This is a major upgrade. Also the inclusion in the nomenclature of non-characteristic weapons. X-32 is the same X-22, only sideways laughing I will tell you in open secret that the Tu-22M3M will be a strategic bomber. I will even assume, perhaps erroneously, that he will not carry the X-32 at all. And the main weapon will be the shortened X-102, although no one canceled its versatility.
        15. Kalmar
          Kalmar April 7 2021 13: 15
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          X-32 is the same X-22, only sideways

          Well, nevertheless, KTRV tested the rocket on the Tu-22M3 with some modifications, promised compatibility with the Tu-22M3M. If you can screw the X-32 to any other modification without any complaints, please contact the specialized departments of the Ministry of Defense with a rationalization proposal. Perhaps they will even write you a bonus (I get 5% for an idea).

          Quote: hrych
          I will even assume, perhaps erroneously, that he will not carry the X-32 at all

          But there is such a possibility. MRA was transferred to the Aerospace Forces, which are not particularly interested in work on sea targets. It will be clearly more interesting for them to hang something more familiar to themselves - say, some modification of the X-102. And the Kh-32, according to some rumors, is not really produced or supplied now.
  • ironic
    ironic April 7 2021 22: 45
    +1
    But the aircraft is not attached to the new weapon with attachments alone, the appropriate support of the weapon complex by the aircraft's combat complex is required, and these are sometimes significant changes even in open architectures, which is definitely not in the M3 infrastructure. wink
  • Private-K
    Private-K April 7 2021 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Just with an increase in the range to 1000 km, I had to transfer it from tactical anti-ship missiles to strategic / tactical ones.

    Well, there is a term "operational-tactical missile". Anything further than 300 km.
  • hrych
    hrych April 7 2021 09: 10
    +1
    And there is a term missile with a smaller range from 500 to 1000 and an average range from 1000 to 5500. That above 5500 is already ICBMs and MKRs. OTR up to 500 km, but not from 300, but from zero. Therefore, if the rocket flew 1000, then it generally got close to medium-range missiles.
  • ironic
    ironic April 7 2021 22: 42
    0
    Because a different engine, a different fuel, a different guidance system, a different warhead (a smaller size for the sake of a larger fuel size). By the way, her ceiling is 40 km, not 70.
  • hrych
    hrych April 7 2021 23: 40
    +1
    This is "A presentation of performance characteristics in the version of Konstantin Sivkov" about 40 km. Those. even a respected one, but a military expert, not a developer. And the data is closed. But we open modifications of the X-22, namely the X-22B and read: "an experimental aeroballistic missile, speed up to 6 M, maximum flight altitude up to 70 km. In the 1970s it was tested, the Kh-22B was not adopted for service due to unresolved technical problems." Those. this modification reached hypersound precisely by diving from an altitude of 70 km. And the unresolved technical problems of 1970 are completely solvable in 2021. This is implemented in the X-32 ... question.
  • ironic
    ironic April 12 2021 12: 13
    0
    This is the version that is voiced in the West, in English, and since the number of uryakalok in this language is much less, then there is correspondingly more trust. And then a dive in the 70th year is already becoming a discussion of the performance characteristics of a completely different rocket filling, a high-speed range, which has long been declared and does not exceed 4.6M. The absurdity is shorter.
  • hrych
    hrych April 12 2021 12: 50
    +1
    Firstly, nothing is stated. The X-22 has a huge and heavy seeker and warhead in a ton. By reducing the electronics, the seeker became much smaller and lighter, and also reduced the size and weight of the warhead. The freed up space and mass were used to increase the fuel and oxidizer. It also became more compact, lightweight and economical rocket engine. As a result, the operating time of the liquid-propellant engine and its power increased significantly, and accordingly the acceleration time and thrust increased. And people who understand little
    Quote: ironic
    The absurd is shorter
    in the laws of physics begin to talk nonsense. For the longer the rocket engine works, the more acceleration is achieved and, accordingly, the speed, and also naturally the projectile is thrown further. Also, unlike the ancient seeker and ton warhead, the fuel, as it depletes, lightens the mass of the projectile. And people who understand little about the laws of physics
    Quote: ironic
    The absurd is shorter
    do not know Newton's Second Law, where acceleration is in direct proportion to mass. Accordingly, as the fuel and oxidizer are depleted, the X-32 becomes lighter, and the acceleration increases. The speed and range increase accordingly. And since the old X-22 still reached Mach 4,6, i.e. came close to the border of the hypersound and flew up to 600 km (depending on the trajectory), then of course the X-32, it is clear for the student of the school, will exceed the hypersonic limit and fly to medium range. And the absurdity is not to understand. wassat
  • ironic
    ironic April 12 2021 14: 45
    0
    These are people who pretend to know about physics, but in fact have only heard about it. Increasing the dimension of the tank due to the lower weight of the seeker is still that physical rolling, how much smaller and lighter it has become? But because of the size of the warhead, yes. It became smaller and due to it the tanks and range were increased, but the missile did not become hypersonic from this. For this, not only will it throw up fuel. Physics should be taught, as my school teacher used to say, and not write a lot of words about it. Newton's second law is, of course, a cool thing, only in it it is necessary to take into account all the parameters, and not one, such as, for example, a force that decreases accordingly with an increase in the opposing friction force, with an increase in speed. In an alternative universe, physics is probably such an alternative. Acceleration is not speed, it is the first derivative - the increase in speed and it decreases, and when the maximum is reached, it becomes zero at all. By the way, this is school physics. And yes, it's absurd not to know the fusik, but to rub something for it. wassat

    PS X-32 has an estimated average speed of 5000 km / h, i.e. the same> 4M.
  • hrych
    hrych April 12 2021 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: ironic
    rolling,

    In addition to the RGSN itself, here it includes an autopilot, analog control systems, etc., and the X-32 is digital and everything is modern. Therefore, there would be no thought, but you continue to carry. And your childish expressions are typical wassat
    Quote: ironic
    In an alternate universe
    Your Unified State Examination Universe is really not known to mewassat What are you talking about friction? wassat It was explained to you long ago through all media channels that acceleration to hypersound takes place in the stratosphere, where resistance is reduced, and there is practically no resistance on the border with outer space. This rocket has a liquid-propellant rocket engine with an oxidizer in the tank, it does not depend on air as an oxidizer ... at all. Therefore, the rise of 100 km in altitude should not be particularly surprising, given the range of a thousand kilometers or more. It was supplied with a large amount of fuel and a more powerful engine, not for babbling - "rolling", but in order to rise higher into the stratosphere, accelerate harder and fly away. Please, don't write to me anymore, otherwise it's a sin to laugh during the fast. wassat And to enrich me with your knowledge, you, I'm sorry, but there is nothing wassatAnd I will eliminate your obvious problems of knowledge in physics, only for a fee wassat
  • ironic
    ironic April 12 2021 18: 10
    0
    Judging by open sources, a lot of things were hung there that could only increase the weight of the control unit, and not smart; sew, despite minimizing electronics. But the warheads were reduced there precisely for the sake of increasing the size of the fuel tanks, since the new engine is not very much to be seen; it has become. I do know what it is to think. And you don’t have to think about carrying uryaks for the sake of pogonolayki.

    I don’t know your EGE at all, I studied in the USSR. And your pseudo-scientific uryak I periodically read for the sake of neighing, funny reading from an alternative universe. What the hell is a frictionless flight if the ceiling is 40 km? Is there no friction at a speed> 4M? What universe is it in? Stratosphere starts at 11km. Damn to school, at the school desk in primary classes. Your tutoring only on screams is busy from the appropriate institution. It has a liquid-propellant engine because at an altitude of about 40 km, the bearing planes cease to create sufficient lifting force even at high speeds, but the friction there is still quite decent. Meteorites still burn up. The X-15 flew at 77km, this is a hypersonic flight. You have a reflection about babbling, you carry it yourself, you rub it about it yourself. You are not funny, you have convulsions from the nonsense that you write. Yeah, take more, throw it away ... anecdote and nothing more. You see this smiley in front of the mirror rehearsing. lol
  • hrych
    hrych April 12 2021 19: 10
    +1
    Do not read. Sorry. Once. Until.
  • ironic
    ironic April 12 2021 19: 24
    0
    Let's go. Not critical.
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar April 7 2021 08: 38
    -4
    Quote: hrych
    The dagger is on experimental combat duty and is actually put into service. The Kh-32 was put into service for a long time, about 5 years ago

    Are you in Russia for the first time or what? "Adopted" and "serially produced and supplied" are two very big differences.

    Quote: hrych
    We don't really need aviation onyx

    I wouldn't say so. There are still not enough Onyx carriers in the fleet (mosquitoes are not counted). The aviation option would be very useful (subject to the restoration of the MPA).

    Quote: hrych
    And we had hypersonic ones on the way

    They may be on the way for a long time. And nobody canceled the war economy: the anti-ship missile defense system will definitely not be cheap, so Onyx will have to be a workhorse for a long time to come.

    Quote: hrych
    our naval aviation is represented by more powerful aircraft with a large radius

    The plane is fighting not with a radius, but with missiles.
  • hrych
    hrych April 7 2021 08: 55
    0
    Quote: Kalmar
    Are you in Russia for the first time or what?

    You are on the site of Navalny with such kooky wassat Even without the X-32, we are not naked, there is a bunch of X-22s. Without Onyx, they are also not naked, you still need to use a bunch of wonderful Granites. There was no war, the "killer of aircraft carriers" did not develop their own anti-ship missile fleet.
    Quote: Kalmar
    The aviation option would be very useful

    We also have a wonderful, versatile, including the aircraft X-35. His range was raised to a quarter of a thousand km, he works in a flock, etc. Onyxes, Granites, Zircons, Daggers, X-22/32, all this for huge ships, which the enemy does not have so many. The defense meets the enemy on the distant approaches from the Tu-22, Mig-31 and Tu-142, and the close approaches are blocked by the coastal Onyx - the Bastion complex. The rest is decided by Uranus, on the very close approaches to the coastal Ball, and the aviation ball on a constellation of fighters and front-line soldiers, also complements the echeloned defense against the threat from the sea. Onyx / Zircon / Brahmos will certainly be relevant in the aviation version, but I repeat, we are not standing naked.
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar April 7 2021 09: 12
    -1
    Quote: hrych
    You are on the site of Navalny with such kooky

    Then do not forget to make it clear that I am Ukrainian. Or whatever is currently in vogue.

    Quote: hrych
    there is a bunch of x-22

    The Kh-22 has a lot of problems with the jamming immunity of the seeker. Actually, in honor of this, the X-32 began to be made. When the enemy uses modern KREP, the chances of the X-22 aiming at the target are very vague.

    Quote: hrych
    you still need to use a bunch of wonderful Granites

    "Granite" is no longer so wonderful: for 30 years, the rocket is neither newer nor more perfect. Yes, and frankly few of their carriers remained on the move.

    Quote: hrych
    We also have a wonderful, versatile, including the aircraft X-35. His range was raised to a quarter of a thousand km, he works in a flock, etc.

    The Kh-35 is good, although it does not work in a pack (each missile is on its own). But this is still a weapon of a slightly different class. To overwhelm a target such as AUG, such missiles will require a lot.

    Quote: hrych
    Onyxes, Granites, Zircons, Daggers, X-22/32, all this for huge ships, which the enemy does not have that much.

    Not huge, but highly secure. This category includes, say, "Arleigh Burkee" and its counterparts like the Japanese "Atago". The total number is more than fifty. If it is "not so much", then I do not even know what is "a lot".

    Quote: hrych
    Defense meets the enemy at distant approaches with Tu-22, MiG-31 and Tu-142

    Nice, but it is not clear what the MiG-31 and Tu-142 have to do with it. The first is an obsolete interceptor that is gradually dwindling in number (new ones have not been made for a long time). The second is once a good but now heavily outdated anti-submarine aircraft. Tu-22Ms have good potential if the MPA is restored and goes back to business.
  • hrych
    hrych April 7 2021 09: 23
    +1
    Quote: Kalmar
    The Kh-35 is good, although it does not work in a pack (each missile is on its own).
    See that I do not repeat myself

    Quote: Kalmar
    Nice, but it is not clear what the MiG-31 and Tu-142 have to do with it.

    And whoever launches a dagger wassat And it is difficult to call it obsolete, there is modernization, and the Barrier and the range of missiles for "partners" are still unattainable. By obsolescence it is for the B-52, he also saw Stalin, Churchill saw wassat
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 April 6 2021 23: 28
    +2
    The aviators will already have a pack of GZUR, there is no particular point in cutting the aircraft "Zircon"
    1. hrych
      hrych April 6 2021 23: 36
      +1
      There's a meaning. X-32 is a giant rocket and one type of aircraft. The dagger is specialized for the MiG-31, possibly the Tu-22, but also a limited range. And for multipurpose aircraft of the Su-30/34/35 type, the aviation Zircon would be very useful. Also based on Onyx, and now Zircon, they were going to make long-range missiles. The prospects are good.
      1. Hermit21
        Hermit21 April 7 2021 10: 15
        +2
        There will also be hypersonic missiles for tactical aviation. "Zircon", by the way, is also by no means small and not light
      2. hrych
        hrych April 7 2021 10: 30
        0
        There is a Kh-31 direct-flow missile for fighters with a speed of more than 3 strikes and capable of hitting radars and ships. Range up to a quarter of a thousand. Such a rocket is needed, not a huge Onyx. Also, on the basis of the KS-175 air-to-air missile, which is hypersonic in essence, it is possible to make an air-to-surface missile. Let the range drop slightly from 400 km, because an anti-ship missile needs a more powerful warhead than crashing a delicate plane. I think the gunsmiths will figure it out and know what to do. They have enormous potential and there is no reason to doubt their success.
  • Private-K
    Private-K April 7 2021 08: 48
    +1
    For the Tu-22M3 / 4, it seems like a new hypersonic missile is intended.
  • hrych
    hrych April 6 2021 21: 43
    +11
    The MiG-31 has a practical ceiling of 21,5 km, and the dynamic one in general is 30. As they say, feel the difference. These extra 5-10 kilometers are expensive. And the initial launch speed of our aeroballistic missile is almost three times higher than with the B-52. Also feel the difference. And this is not the height. And this is not speed. And speed and height. In the case of the TTRD, the body itself weighs minuscule after the fuel burns out, and the stage reset system is not for nothing, but eats up the payload. In any case, the Dagger is already in service, on experimental combat duty, and the little AGM did not even manage to take the first steps. That the Kh-32 (if the scheme is the Kh-22B, then generally up to 70 km), that the Zircones go up in supersonic way into the stratosphere and there they are accelerated to hypersound. The dagger is already there and acceleration is easy for him. And the AGM, even five kilometers lower, experiences greater resistance from the lower edge of the stratosphere boundary, and you still need to first go through supersonic speed and then accelerate to hypersonic speed. Sadness. Why did their previous hypersonic designs all explode? Why did they leave this topic? So warming up and trouble with a ramjet engine. They returned because of the shock from ours, which are simply already in service. Zircon is just catching up, a little behind. So he's the coolest laughing They started monkeying with the Dagger, so the kid is no match for him. Yes and no it, the baby is still. The layout is unfortunate.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon April 6 2021 22: 38
      +1
      Do the striped ones generally have an adequate carrier for the GZR? Or will you have to pull out the old SR-71 from the dusty closet ?? wassat
      1. hrych
        hrych April 6 2021 22: 49
        +5
        Quote: Klingon
        SR-71 pull out?

        So it is not designed to hang a rocket from it at all. Low landing gear, so you need to take off, and sometimes land with a huge rocket. There is the B-1b, the coolest in America and one of the best planes on the planet (after the Tu-160, of course). So again, his suspension on external pylons is not provided, and this will not enter the bomb bay. Therefore, the good old B-52 with all the problems of a subsonic carrier.
        1. Klingon
          Klingon April 7 2021 00: 13
          +2
          Well, that's right, Drozd is actually just a high-altitude high-speed scout. I just thought maybe there was something going on there ... but I didn't think about the chassis. And I did not know that Lancer does not have an option for external body kits - thanks for the information! good
    2. Alarmist79
      Alarmist79 April 6 2021 22: 57
      .
      = The MiG-31 has a practical ceiling of 21,5 km, and the dynamic one is 30 in general. As they say, feel the difference. These extra 5-10 kilometers are expensive. And the initial launch speed of our aeroballistic missile is almost three times higher than with the B-52. Also feel the difference =

      Those. do you seriously think that ARRW is such a special missile for the B-52?
      "B-1B aircraft, capable of carrying up to 31 such missiles on their pylons [7], as well as B-52H and F-15EX [8], will presumably be used as a carrier platform."
      The speed plus or minus is the same, the Mig's practical ceiling is already as much as 7% higher.
      So I really see the difference. The Americans are getting ready to weigh almost anything on ARRW. Everything looks exactly the opposite for us.
      But it turns out that the launch of the Dagger from subsonic bombers is not planned, this is a great change. “It’s good for someone who has one leg and leg wrinkles less and doesn’t need a boot.”

      = In any case, the Dagger is already in the ranks, on experimental combat duty, and the little AGM did not even manage to take the first steps. =

      Iskander has been in service for 15 years. How old is the ground-based ARRW prototype?

      = Why did their previous hypersonic designs all explode? Why did they leave this topic? =

      Did they leave her? Do you seriously believe that the ARRV is the only example of their state-of-the-art developments at the moment?

      = We started monkeying with the Dagger, so the kid is no match for him. =

      Naturally not. Iskander is an ordinary ballistic missile, even without a detachable head. APP uses a hypersonic glider.
      1. hrych
        hrych April 6 2021 23: 10
        +1
        You certainly read, but think a little. Which 31 wassat Imagine it with your own eyes. Both the B1b and the Tu-160, which is the same with it, do not have a suspension on pylons AT ALL. Further on this it is useless to discuss. Wikipedia is good, but articles there are often misspelled. Look at the Dagger, where the MiG-31 throws it at 2 thousand, and the Tu-22M3 allegedly at 3 thousand. That logic cannot succumb, for the MiG-31 throws from twice the height and the carrier's speed is higher. As for subsonic bombers, it has its own lineup, including, possibly, an air-based Zircon. The Tu-95 will obviously cope with it, if it is needed, of course.
        1. Alarmist79
          Alarmist79 April 6 2021 23: 51
          -2
          = Both the B1b and the Tu-160, which is the same with it, do not have a suspension on pylons AT ALL. =

          This is a joke?
          1. hrych
            hrych April 6 2021 23: 58
            +2
            This is reality. B-1b simply DOES NOT have pylons. The location of the motors does not allow. But 31 pieces of huge rockets on pylons (which do not exist) are just a joke. wassat If the Tu22M3 has a variable sweep wing, but the pylons are closer, on a fixed part. And in B-1b sweep changes directly from the engines. I hope you understand that nothing is weighed on the variable wing and the pylons are not placed at all.
            1. Alarmist79
              Alarmist79 April 7 2021 07: 41
              -3


              = I hope you understand that they don't weigh anything on the variable wing and don't put pylons at all. =

              Uh ... Su-24 with impossible pylons flashed in the news a couple of thousand times, for example.
            2. hrych
              hrych April 7 2021 08: 05
              +1
              It is a small Uranus-level cruise racket and the belly is not wings wassat Well, the angle is so vague.
            3. Alarmist79
              Alarmist79 April 7 2021 08: 18
              0
              = and the belly is not wings =
              Those. is the under-fuselage suspension not an external suspension?

              = Well, the angle is so vague. =
              The B-1, completely regardless of the angle, has 6 external hardpoints.
            4. hrych
              hrych April 7 2021 08: 35
              +1
              The B-1 has a wonderful internal compartment, though for oversized bombs and missile launchers. Its task, in contrast to the filmed B-1a, is a low-altitude breakthrough and stealth coating. Those. entering the active zone of the enemy's air defense. If it starts to accelerate to 2 swings, like a B-1a, then an expensive stealth coating will fly off of it. Therefore, it flies a little faster than the B-52 and overcomes supersonic a little. Of course, you can hang anything on the bomb bay, but the plane will be spoiled. True, so far there is nothing to weigh. But it all resembles the agony of falling behind, in the press and in your imagination. And of course nothing will be hung on the B-1 wings. And so, when a hypersonic, aeroballistic missile is accepted for routine combat duty, then come ... we will discuss. Now what to talk about? I couldn't start, we rolled the model and returned, spent a couple of fuel tanks, exhausted the resource of an old bomb carrier, and that's it. Well, it's too early to talk about the hypothetical connection of B-1 and F-15. They'll do it, then we'll talk. There is no light at the end of the tunnel yet. So they could not make a supersonic cruise missile, but then they decided to jump over. No, it's not that simple.
            5. Alarmist79
              Alarmist79 April 7 2021 09: 21
              +1
              = B-1 has a wonderful inner compartment, =

              And 6 wonderful external suspension assemblies.

              = true for oversized bombs and CD. =
              ?

              = If it starts to accelerate to 2 swings, like the B-1a, then the expensive stealth coating will fly off it. =
              Those. Su-57 is also not a 2+ flywheel? And what about the F-22?

              = Hang on the bomb bay =
              ?

              = True, so far there is nothing to weigh. =
              In the sense? Hanging on pylons something other than GZ rockets is not a canon?

              = but the plane will be ruined. =
              1. Almost half a century ago "spoiled", the possibility of screwing the pylons on the B-1 appeared at the project stage. 2. And how?

              = But it all looks like the agony of falling behind, =
              And what does the announcement of the Iskander aircraft version as a hypersonic mega-weapon resemble? At the "Zircon" declared the average speed along the lower limit of hypersound when firing at 450 km, at full range will be less.

              = So they could not make a supersonic cruise missile, =
              The same "Hound Dog" is already 56 years old. In general, the confidence that they can build supersonic airplanes, but there is no CD, cannot but touch.
            6. hrych
              hrych April 7 2021 09: 34
              +2
              Hang what you want and where you want. Communication became unpleasant for me after I thanked one here for my insult. And it is disgusting to communicate with such people who become personalities and I will not. You are talking pointlessly, I repeat that they will make an aeroballistic rocket ... we will discuss. We'll hang 31 pieces on the B-1 ... let's discuss. Now why pound from empty to empty? The news is that the experimental rocket just didn't work. This is called a complete failure. I don’t need to answer, I will not even read it, all the more so on your part this is a pointless dispute for the sake of a dispute. It will, they say, it will be, so while it is not there, your rocket has not flown wassat
            7. Alarmist79
              Alarmist79 April 7 2021 09: 46
              0
              = Communication became unpleasant for me after I thanked one here for my insult. =
              I thanked, actually, for the clarification on the "Lancer". But your performances are really, um ... extremely original.

              = The news is that experimental the rocket just didn't fire. This is called a complete failure. =

              This is called a dull routine. Do you think we only had the "Bulava" falling? No, just damn enemies for some time prevented the MO from sweeping especially outstanding successes under the carpet.
          2. Hermit21
            Hermit21 April 7 2021 10: 19
            +2
            The "Zircon" has a declared average speed at the lower limit of hypersound when firing at 450 km

            Who and when said this?
          3. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 7 2021 10: 44
            -1
            Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov six months ago. 450 km in 4,5 minutes - as you can easily see, this is an amazingly round 6000 km / h. Mach at the ground -1224 km / h. At the same time, Westerners, without going into verbiage, the GZ-speed relative to it, and consider - 6120 km / h.
          4. hrych
            hrych April 7 2021 23: 55
            +1
            Do you understand that the speed of Zircon is not constant? It starts from the surface, at a speed of zero, then the powder accelerator accelerates it until the ramjet engine is turned on. Which gradually accelerates to supersonic and lifts into the stratosphere. In the stratosphere, Zircon accelerates from supersonic to hypersonic and then dives towards the target. Therefore, Gerasimov was right and was not cunning. Average speed is calculated as the total flight distance divided by the total flight time. But there is an initial one, which is less than the average, and there is a maximum, which is higher than the average. Therefore, Westerners are apparently useless bookkeepers.
          5. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 8 2021 01: 06
            +1
            = Do you understand that the speed of Zircon is not constant? =
            So what? What practical speed peaks not on target matter?

            = Do you understand that the speed of Zircon is not constant? It starts from the surface, at a speed of zero, then the powder accelerator accelerates it until the ramjet engine is turned on. Which accelerates gradually to supersonic =

            Subsonic ramjet engines do not operate supersonic.

            = In the stratosphere, Zircon accelerates from supersonic to hypersonic =
            GPVRD and SPVRD too different... As a result, scramjet engines start at least at high supersonic speed.

            = and then dives towards the target. =
            The maximum test altitude is 28 km. To get a couple of swings with such a "apogee", he should not dive, but fall vertically down in an airless space.
            In short, the target has approximately Minimal speed at the top of the trajectory plus about one more swing.

            = But there is an initial one that is less than the average
            Well, if you count as the initial zero, then yes. And so no one promised anything. The range of operation of a specific scramjet is not plus or minus infinity. As a result, with a maximum of 8M, when separating the booster, there should be a lot of.

            = and there is a maximum, which is above average. =
            And?

            = Therefore, Westerners are apparently useless bookkeepers. =
            Because they take into account practically significant numbers, and not?
          6. hrych
            hrych April 8 2021 10: 00
            0
            Quote: Alarmist79
            Subsonic ramjet engines do not operate supersonic.

            Wash I lucidly explained, no, you continue to invent. There is a solid propellant booster and one ramjet engine. The accelerator shoots a missile from the launcher and gives it a speed of at least Mach 0,5, because the ramjet is ineffective at lower speeds, and does not work at all at zero speed. It is not necessary for an accelerator to overclock more than 0,5 swings, but it is desirable. Then the accelerator is dropped, and the ramjet engine begins to work and gain speed and gaining altitude. What are you talking about subsonic ramjet, supersonic and hypersonic wassat Give you 3 different engines wassat If not a victim of the Unified State Exam, then anyone understands that a hypersonic ramjet engine is capable of working both on pre-sound and supersonic. But the subsonic cannot work at supersonic. Supersonic can and works at subsonic, but cannot at hypersonic. Of course, I understand that it's useless for you to say, but I tried. wassat
            Quote: Alarmist79
            And?

            And no I. wassat Firstly, Western accountants, unlike you, understand that this is an average speed. And under western bookkeepers wassat you set out your .... to put it mildly ... erroneous thoughts. With the vectors of force, I have already understood that complete sadness and the Unified State Exam affects here. Okay, I'll teach you one last time, although it feels like it's no use. The vector of gravity is always directed perpendicularly and with the ballistic trajectory of the missile, the projectile slows down when the projectile / rocket rises, until the projectile under the same gravity starts to decrease, fall ... along a BALLISTIC (not straight vertical) trajectory, where it begins to gain speed due to that the same force of gravity and acceleration of free fall. Study, study and study again.
          7. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 8 2021 10: 38
            +1
            = Wash I lucidly explained, =
            You just don't know the elementary things.

            = no, you keep inventing. =
            Everybody "makes up", yeah.

            = There is a solid fuel booster and one ramjet. The accelerator shoots a missile from the launcher and gives it a speed of at least Mach 0,5, because the ramjet is ineffective at lower speeds, =

            And now the reality. At Mach 0,5, the subsonic ramjet engine "turns on", operating in the range of 0,5-1 M. No scramjet engine starting from speeds of 0,5 does not work, this is nonsense.

            = What are you talking about subsonic ramjet, supersonic and hypersonic. Give you 3 different engines =

            What do you mean "me"? This is physics, almost at school. Different motors for different speed ranges. In reality, overclocking with a booster or a "non-directing machine" up to the speed at which one particular one works.

            = If not a victim of the exam, =

            Unlike you, I can pass it, yeah.

            = Okay, I'll teach you one last time, although it feels like it's no use. =

            True, you are also bad with arithmetic for the fifth grade.

            = The vector of gravity is always directed perpendicularly and with the ballistic trajectory of the missile, the projectile slows down when the projectile / rocket rises, until the projectile under the same gravity starts to decrease, fall ... the same gravity and free fall acceleration. Study, study and study again. =

            And to calculate what speed he is gaining at the same time, in any way? Let's start with the elementary one - the acceleration of gravity is 9,8 m / s. Now open the arithmetic textbook.
          8. hrych
            hrych April 8 2021 11: 02
            +1
            I have not read, sorry. I realized that you don't understand the vectors of force, and these are elementary things, so you cannot enrich me with your knowledge. I have no time to compensate for the lack of your school knowledge. There are tutorials if you wish wassat
          9. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 8 2021 12: 05
            +1
            Well, standing upright in a vacuum is exaggerated. But you are clearly not aware that when diving in the atmosphere, the rocket travels a greater distance than with a vertical fall and is decelerated more strongly. It's not even geometry for the 7th grade, it's elementary logic.
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 7 2021 00: 19
    -3
    Do not be surprised, Hrych is a guest from a parallel universe, he can have anything there.
    But 31 ARRW on B-1 is an incorrect translation, missiles were confused. He will not physically carry them away.
    Up to 1 HAWC missiles are planned for the B-31, at the outer nodes and inner bomb bays. They are already with a direct flow, much smaller than an arrow.
    But ARRW is planned to be suspended only on the external nodes of B-1, there will be 8 of them, 2 missiles per pylon. A total of 16 ARRW missiles per B-1 bomber.

    The Air Force is also working on the concept of a hypersonic air-breathing weapon, or HAWC, with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Pentagon officials said the Air Force is already thinking about the combined transport of hypersonic missiles both domestically and abroad, on B-1 and B-52 aircraft. Through external hardpoints and in the Central Scientific Research Laboratory, B-1 can demolish 31 hypersonic missiles.

    “My goal would be to recruit at least a squadron of aircraft modified with external pylons on the B-1 to carry the ARRW [Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon] hypersonic cruise missile,” General Ray told the Air Force magazine. He added that the service was considering several options for integrating the AGM-183A into bombers, "but we believe that the easiest, fastest and probably the most effective in the short term will be the use of external pylons. "

    https://www.airforcemag.com/afgsc-eyes-hypersonic-weapons-for-b-1-conventional-lrso/
    1. Alarmist79
      Alarmist79 April 7 2021 07: 48
      -1
      I see, thanks.
    2. hrych
      hrych April 7 2021 08: 16
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Hrych is a guest from a parallel universe

      Firstly, I don't need your characteristics. Secondly, listen not to me, but to the President. If you want, you can listen to the American old man-senile, but better to your Wonder-hero Zelensky. And you yourself confirm by reference that there are NO pylons on the B-1. And only we are talking about a hypothetical possibility of such ... For the future, to which we still live. It would be great to spoil one of the best planes. wassat
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 7 2021 10: 15
      -4
      The B-1B was originally planned with 8 outer pylons. Then reduced to 6 points. It's just a fact. It is impossible to argue with this.


    4. hrych
      hrych April 7 2021 10: 42
      +4
      And then they refused altogether wassat And what did he prove? Blocked the bombhole? First, launch a rocket from the B-52, then start to breed demagoguery. AGM-183A ARRW is a big missile. Yes, and there is no such rocket yet, but there is a model, they do not suspend this model on the B-1, but for now on the B-52 with failures. And why should I talk to you, who throws mud at me? When they do it, then come and discuss it. While you are only talking about the suspension of 31 missiles on the B-1b. And you don't need to show me experimental options. Experimental modifications are of no interest to anyone. Show me the entire B-1b park and how many of them will be with your ugly pylons. Give me statistics. How many are in the ranks?
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B April 6 2021 22: 10
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    "Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure

    And why am I not upset? .. request
    Can go to the liberals?
    With a bright face!
    Maybe then the right senses will sharpen?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 6 2021 19: 54
    +6
    Only those who do nothing have no problems.
    They will finish their missiles, they do, this time.
    Better / worse they will be, is that a question ??? Which before and would not have to ask, but now .... they are wise a lot, they want it right away and better than everyone else !!! and so to do, oh, how difficult it is!
    1. poquello
      poquello April 6 2021 20: 00
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      they are wise a lot, they want it right away and better than everyone else !!!

      Duc nation of jerks, the wisdom of the folk cat wept, otherwise they would know that "oranges will not be born from birch and aspen"
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 6 2021 20: 13
        +11
        With all my heart I wish the Yankers, as much as possible the cost of production, as long as possible to develop and introduce hypersonic weapons, as well as poor quality missiles, poor reliability of launchers and carriers.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 April 6 2021 20: 49
        +7
        They used to collect "cream" from everywhere, but now times are somewhat different. Having high test scores is not exactly how a talented person, gifted from God, stood out before !!! Moreover, they have such a system now that in the first place is no longer creativity, creation, but commercial, personal success !!! Any talent, any business can ruin the thirst for profit ...
        A lot of easy money, this is not such a plus for the development of hard work and talent ... however, the lack of money, prospects, is also not a plus ... alas, alas, this is familiar to us.
    2. figwam
      figwam April 6 2021 20: 58
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      They will finish their missiles

      Who told you that?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 06
        +2
        We all express only our ASSUMPTIONS.
        1. figwam
          figwam April 6 2021 21: 21
          +6
          Quote: rocket757
          We all express only our ASSUMPTIONS.

          But it sounds like a statement.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 35
            +2
            And what prevents you from being sure of what you wrote about?
            We're not fighting on bail ... although I'm ready to fight on bail, that this time, the Yankees will go to ... no acceptable result! How they will write it down later, I won't even guess, but they are obliged to do at least something acceptable, because it is NECESSARY!
            1. figwam
              figwam April 6 2021 21: 45
              +4
              Quote: rocket757
              but they are obliged to do at least something acceptable, because it is NECESSARY!

              They have been doing it for almost 20 years, but the result is zero.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 56
                +2
                Let's just say ... after the well-known, tragic for our country, events, they decided that they no longer needed this and sawed, sawed, what they needed, trying to fit into the military concept that prevailed at that time !!!
                Invisible aircraft, the very thing that is needed ... hypersonic missiles, and why did they need them, since there was no obvious, strong enemy on the horizon and beyond the horizon!
                And R&D, this is the case, did not pay enough attention to a specific topic, did not finance, and hello. The smartest, brightest minds scattered on other topics / developments !!! and those who stayed had no incentives, no ideas, no special desire to resist simply NO!
                I will not say that it is so for sure ... this is my vision of the problem.
                1. figwam
                  figwam April 6 2021 22: 10
                  +5
                  The concept of a rapid global strike appeared in the United States 20 years ago and since then, with all the financial power, have tried to develop hypersonic missiles, but to no avail.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 April 6 2021 22: 14
                    +2
                    Do we know for sure how the priorities were set, what was funded and how?
                    I haven't dug that deep ...
                  2. figwam
                    figwam April 6 2021 22: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    how were the priorities set

                    Well, if they wanted to inflict a global strike anywhere in the world in 1 hour, of course this program was discussed at the very top, strategic weapons are always a priority.
    3. poquello
      poquello April 6 2021 21: 13
      +2
      Quote: figvam
      Quote: rocket757
      They will finish their missiles

      Who told you that?

      Duc "if you suffer for a long time, something will work out" (almost already a Jewish proverb)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 37
        +1
        They need it !!! With such money, resources, a serious scientific and industrial base, nothing can be done at all .... now they CANNOT afford it!
  • Alarmist79
    Alarmist79 April 6 2021 20: 53
    .
    1. Have we already started reporting about unsuccessful tests / launches of something less than a launch vehicle? According to the same Iskander, there is a video with a brave fall and a message from the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan about a flight into the wrong Kazakh steppe. The Russian Defense Ministry, of course, was silent, like a partisan.
    2.ARRW NEW rocket. Unlike.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 13
      +7
      "Unlike", it will be when / if it is, such as they plan.
      In the meantime, it is neither new, nor at all.
      1. Alarmist79
        Alarmist79 April 6 2021 21: 17
        .
        Those. new / unfinished rocket becomes AFTER tests, and until then it simply does not exist? Strong. Very much.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 24
          +2
          You expressed yourself in such a way that you can understand it in two ways ... that is how it is in Russian. All our compatriots know this, they understand.
    2. poquello
      poquello April 6 2021 21: 38
      +7
      Quote: Alarmist79
      1. Have we already started reporting about unsuccessful tests / launches of something less than a launch vehicle? According to the same Iskander, there is a video with a brave fall and a message from the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan about a flight into the wrong Kazakh steppe. The Russian Defense Ministry, of course, was silent, like a partisan.
      2.ARRW NEW rocket. Unlike.

      Well, in general, you have already been answered exactly what I would have answered, well, it does not fly at all yet, you probably think that Musk is testing a spaceship and not a cylinder with an engine?
      1. Alarmist79
        Alarmist79 April 6 2021 22: 24
        -7
        = well, in general, you have already been answered exactly what I would have answered, well, it does not fly at all, =
        And that makes the rocket old and spent?

        = you probably think that Musk is testing a spaceship and not a cylinder with an engine? =
        Uh ... And "Burevesnik" is also not tested, is it "such a cylinder with a nuclear engine"? Do the testers know about this?
        1. poquello
          poquello April 6 2021 23: 08
          +4
          Quote: Alarmist79
          = well, in general, you have already been answered exactly what I would have answered, well, it does not fly at all, =
          And that makes the rocket old and spent?

          no, this makes the rocket a project and not a rocket
          Quote: Alarmist79
          Uh ... And "Burevesnik" is not tested either, is it "such a cylinder with a nuclear engine"?

          do you know something about petrels?
          1. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 6 2021 23: 40
            -6
            = no, this makes the rocket a project and not a rocket =
            Those. are trying to launch drawings and TTZ? No, it flies prototype, quite existing in the real world.

            = do you know something about petrels? =
            He is being tested. So, in your opinion, it does not exist? Does the rest of the world outside the forum share this creative approach?
            1. poquello
              poquello April 7 2021 00: 11
              +5
              Quote: Alarmist79
              No, there is a prototype flying, quite existing in the real world.

              well, yes, he flies by plane)
              Quote: Alarmist79
              = do you know something about petrels? =
              He is being tested.

              it was classified, just like a completely working Poseidon
              1. Alarmist79
                Alarmist79 April 7 2021 08: 03
                -3
                = well, yes, he flies by plane) =
                Those. before separation from the aircraft, a rocket is a project and does not exist, and after that it immediately materializes in our complex and unstable world?
                No, I'm asking stupid questions.
                = it was classified, =
                Those. if you either classify or declassify the rocket with sufficient speed, it will go into a quantum state for them. Schrödinger? What a promising thought.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 6 2021 20: 10
    +4
    Rosket757-more often they would have such problems!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 6 2021 20: 54
      +3
      Did I wish them success in this field?
      I state the obvious, and it is such that this time they cannot retreat and will rest against ... some kind of result.
      Resources, opportunities they have ...
      But for our designers, I wish not to slow down and make my contribution to the common cause, to increase our capabilities in the defense of our Motherland.
  • lucul
    lucul April 6 2021 20: 10
    0
    Problems as problems ... not for the first or last time.

    How to say . The principle of development in the West for the last 100 years is that they have a group of selected scientists (geniuses) of Jews. They direct them to basic fundamental research of industries and provide UNLIMITED funding (printing press). They made a breakthrough in one industry, move on to another and so on in a circle.
    At the moment, the hypersound is being developed by the Americans themselves, so I'm not sure of an imminent success.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 03
      +2
      So we also have a lot of scientists, designers, production workers from that nationality unloved by many ... and what would that mean?
      I have already described my vision of their problems above ... slightly hooked, because their problems are much deeper, if you look closely.
      By the way, I didn’t say about a quick success !!! For outstanding achievements in this field, too ... I argue that they will have to resist before they achieve acceptable results. They have no other options. They have no one to buy such a system.
      1. lucul
        lucul April 6 2021 21: 20
        -4
        So we have a lot of scientists, designers, production workers

        Which are all limited by funding.)))
        Putin only slightly increased funding - and new developments fell like a cornucopia. And in the West, funding is not limited.
        Russia should spend at least 0.5% of GDP on R&D and the return will not be long in coming, but we do not have that kind of money ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          Which are all limited by funding.)))

          I would say that this is a sad topic, but it is much harder and more dangerous if you figure it out!
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo April 6 2021 22: 12
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          Which are all limited by funding.)))

          This shouldn't be a problem for Jews.
          They have to generate money themselves.
        3. poquello
          poquello April 6 2021 23: 12
          +3
          Quote: lucul
          Putin only slightly increased funding - and new developments fell like a horn of plenty

          not so, Putin showed a little to not show off
    2. ironic
      ironic April 7 2021 01: 29
      -4
      Neighing. And besides the Jews in America, geniuses no longer happened ... Therefore, the printing press is attached to the Jews .... Gee, why is the best grass grown in Russia ?! There are so many canabis startups in Israel, but they can't!
    3. didra
      didra April 7 2021 01: 40
      +3
      About the geniuses of the Jews, this is nonsense.) My compliments.
  • Terenin
    Terenin April 6 2021 20: 55
    +6
    Quote: rocket757
    "Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure
    Problems as problems ... not for the first or last time.

    Well yes . So let's write it down.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 11
      +3
      In general, the creation of such missiles does not solve ANYTHING in the confrontation between powers that have vigorous loaves !!!
      1. Terenin
        Terenin April 6 2021 21: 18
        +8
        Quote: rocket757
        In general, the creation of such missiles does not solve ANYTHING in the confrontation between powers that have vigorous loaves !!!

        Vitya, in my opinion, the rocket on your avatar is more relevant.
        Is this the S-25 Berkut? - a stationary anti-aircraft missile system created in the USSR for the defense of Moscow.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 6 2021 21: 29
          +2
          No, this is the C-125 "NEVA" ...
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 April 6 2021 21: 26
    +1
    She can't even fall, because they can't start!)
  • halpat
    halpat April 7 2021 04: 41
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    "Technical problems": The first flight tests of the American ARRW hypersonic missile ended in failure
    Problems as problems ... not for the first or last time.

    There should be more probes. Good and different.
  • Sofa batyr
    Sofa batyr April 7 2021 06: 17
    +4
    Quote: rocket757
    Problems as problems ... not for the first or last time.

    A trifle - a question! yes "Not separated" ...
    They will finalize, and how cute, they will fall off by themselves yes
  • El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino April 7 2021 10: 58
    0
    Here the problems are of a different kind. The situation is the same as with vaccines: as soon as we were the first to declare the availability of such, they in a hurry are trying to catch up by releasing crude concepts and products.
  • Andrey83
    Andrey83 April 6 2021 19: 10
    +2
    And ordinary missiles (not hypersonic) from the carrier they seemed to be able to separate
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 6 2021 19: 16
    +3
    It seems like a Loch Kid, but only customers learned to throw, but not rockets)
  • knn54
    knn54 April 6 2021 19: 19
    +3
    Something Pushkin remembered ... and in front of her is a hypersonic "trough".
    1. D16
      D16 April 6 2021 19: 34
      +7
      And I’m a joke about a very smart bomb that didn’t want to leave the bomb bay laughing .
      1. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 April 7 2021 07: 58
        0
        And this is not a joke at all, Trump announced about new smart missiles, and who in their right mind would separate from the carrier if the result of the separation is obvious! Good luck to American scientists in the footsteps of Musk, only the result of the beat determines the movement towards progress :)
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 6 2021 19: 26
    -1
    Well, today dvigun did not start, tomorrow it might start!
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 6 2021 20: 06
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Well, today dvigun did not start, tomorrow it might start!

      The flight engineer did not pass the breathalyzer test. So it did not start. It happens...
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 6 2021 20: 50
      +4
      Give the mask. It will launch. He's been doing it very well lately))) By the way, they bury his talent in the ground - while Musk has noticeably more explosions than the "hypersonic" Lokhid missiles
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 7 2021 07: 13
        +4
        Quote: Cowbra
        Give the mask. It will launch. He's been doing it very well lately))) By the way, they bury his talent in the ground - while Musk has noticeably more explosions than the "hypersonic" Lokhid missiles

        yes What, what, and in the field of explosions, Musk is a noble ba-baher yes
      2. Stena
        Stena April 7 2021 14: 51
        0
        Quote: Cowbra
        Give the mask.

        Give the phantom mask. Then maybe the rocket will be immediately invisible wink
  • freejack
    freejack April 6 2021 19: 32
    +3
    the "startup sequence" did not work

    To get the correct sequence, you must first show the "Baidan cartoons" to the US Congress, and when everyone giggles, roll out the real hardware! wassat
    And then, not a fact ... Lockheed has been lagging too much lately ... request
  • mark2
    mark2 April 6 2021 19: 56
    +6
    And I look out of 8 comments at 19.40 half - patriotic in favor of the United States. Lockheed failed with the rocket? Didn't it work out very well with the plane? But this is different. They are trying !. The Russians do it all by chance, right? And from the Americans and other "friends" of Russia, everything happens thanks to painstaking work, scientific potential, which they are already buying with their last strength all over the world, but the purchase is increasingly faced with difficulties in acquiring quality goods, due to the fact that they themselves have driven everyone into the Bologna education system, which produces many creative consumers but little quality human material.
    It's a pity, if I may say so, the invention did not leave the guides after landing. That would be a circus.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 6 2021 20: 47
      0
      Quote: mark2
      And I look out of 8 comments at 19.40 half - patriotic in favor of the United States. ...

      of 20 messages at the time of my post.
      I did not see a single patriotic in favor of the United States ...
      One is technical, and the rest are mocking and hateful ...
    2. Avior
      Avior April 6 2021 20: 54
      -1
      ... And I look out of 8 comments at 19.40 half - patriotic in favor of the United States.

      And what, for example, exactly do you mean?
      What kind of foreign agents are there? :)
  • yfast
    yfast April 6 2021 20: 01
    +3
    Is this Trump's super duper?
    1. hrych
      hrych April 6 2021 22: 36
      +1
      Quote: yfast
      Is this Trump's super duper?

      She, Darling. Duper is the most correct, from the word ... so she refused to fly. Apparently artificial intelligence.
  • 123456789
    123456789 April 6 2021 20: 50
    +7
    On March 22, the US Congressional Control and Budget Office (GAO) published a report in which the United States admitted that it did not have enough technology to create hypersonic weapons, and therefore the program for its deployment could be implemented with a long delay.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 6 2021 20: 56
      +2
      And this makes us happy.
  • Lynx-z
    Lynx-z April 6 2021 21: 23
    +8
    Russians have stolen secrets ... and without them it can't fly ...
  • nikant
    nikant April 6 2021 21: 45
    -3
    but do not rejoice, snake: they will soon let me out!
  • faterdom
    faterdom April 6 2021 22: 01
    +1
    We wish Biden good health and, of course, further creative failures.
  • Dmitry Izmalkov
    Dmitry Izmalkov April 6 2021 22: 54
    -2
    I remember the scandal that our scientist leaked them information for 700.000 greens, therefore:
    Either it is a successful FSB operation
    Or American engineers are just bio-garbage, who can't even copy anything
    Or maybe there is misinformation for "crooked-toothed peasants" about an unsuccessful launch, in order to lull the vigilance
  • Fisherman
    Fisherman April 6 2021 22: 56
    +2
    The rocket launch ... the simplest thing was failed ... the initial stage! Preschoolers! Until it is possible to get to control in plasma - it is several years, and control in plasma - infinity of developments, not years, decades! Those pompous Yankees ...
  • JD1979
    JD1979 April 6 2021 23: 38
    +1
    Accordion. This news has already slipped a couple of months ago.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov April 7 2021 03: 42
    0
    ***
    You can't catch us ...
    ***
  • sgr291158
    sgr291158 April 7 2021 03: 54
    0
    Work and everything can work out.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 7 2021 09: 21
    +1
    I wish the "partners" good and different problems. And Schaub is a lot.
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK April 8 2021 01: 31
    0
    They can create a hypersonic uncontrollable blank, but they will never be able to control it!
  • Barmal
    Barmal April 8 2021 12: 06
    0
    Chinese consumer components? Did you save money again? Well, as much as possible!
    Oh, so the American rocket didn't fly? An unfortunate misunderstanding, it happens to everyone.