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From weapons to rivets: an expert on the Middle Ages speaks about Eisenstein's film "Alexander Nevsky"

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From weapons to rivets: an expert on the Middle Ages speaks about Eisenstein's film "Alexander Nevsky"

Almost any feature film dedicated to this or that historical event is thoroughly analyzed. Experts and individuals who consider themselves experts stories, literally under a microscope, they study each frame in search of historical inconsistencies. Today, with more technological opportunities, many directors nevertheless have serious problems with reflecting historical details in their films. What can we say about the films of the past.


There are also cases when they try to subject films made several decades ago to a scrupulous analysis for historical accuracy, even in the era of the formation of cinema itself.

It was also decided to analyze Sergei Eisenstein's film "Alexander Nevsky", filmed back in 1938, for historical correspondence or inconsistency. In particular, options with costumes for actors are discussed - how reliable they are, whether the rivets on the armor of the participants are correct. It is pointed out that the film is "full of inconsistencies", and "criticism from those who saw it is justified."

At the same time, issues of different views on history are discussed: then and today.

A review of Sergei Eisenstein's tape is presented on the Proshloe channel, on the air of which the reenactor Rafael Gukasov, specializing in the Middle Ages, was invited. The film is also considered as a variant of a kind of reconstruction. From weapons to rivets ...

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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR April 4 2021 10: 37
    +46
    Naroood ... THIS IS A FILM ... not a reconstruction ... Patriotic film ... Idea ... !!!! Target .. !!!! .. not rivets
    1. anjey
      anjey April 4 2021 10: 52
      +26
      And the reenactors will not be able to 100% reliably assemble the armor, many secrets are lost, and there are no images and descriptions that are technically accurate.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka April 4 2021 11: 32
        +18
        Quote: anjey
        And the reenactors will not be able to 100% reliably assemble the armor, many secrets are lost, and there are no images and descriptions that are technically accurate.

        How many strokes.
        The People's Artist of Russia is depicted on the Order of Alexander Nevsky ...


        Nikolay Cherkasov.
        Line two.
        To the consultant's bewilderment about buckets instead of helmets, the director replied "Germans should not be with a human face"!
        All point.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 4 2021 11: 54
          +5
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          The People's Artist of Russia is depicted on the Order of Alexander Nevsky.

          As far as I understand, on the Lubyanka he was offered to put up a monument))
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 April 4 2021 22: 08
            +8
            Oh, those historians. I somehow found a stone pebble, interestingly so rolled by a glacier. It turned out a "stick", one and a half palms long, two fingers thick. Rounded from all edges. It turned out to be very convenient for them to crack nuts - depending on which part you hit, the impact force is regulated.
            So, I recently looked on the Internet, an excavation site of an ancient man. Found a pebble, one-to-one my nutcracker. And what did you decide? Officially named the most ancient phaloimitator ...

            Do not trust all these "specialists".
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z April 5 2021 17: 48
              +2
              Quote: Shurik70
              Do not trust all these "specialists".

              How can you! These are eksperds! Sofa! They probably did not touch anything with their own hands, only they rummage in the garbage Internet!
            2. lelik613
              lelik613 April 6 2021 19: 57
              +1
              Who studied what)))
        2. anjey
          anjey April 4 2021 12: 14
          +11
          This is a normal ideology for those times, the correct negative for the knight-dogs and the analogy with Nazi Germany is laid, by the way, this film is relevant to this day, Western, warlike dogs with "swords" around Russia are a dime a dozen.
        3. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins April 4 2021 13: 39
          +12
          Greetings. In theory, you can find bloopers IN ANY movie. All the more historical - in "17 Moments of Spring" in the last episodes, when Stirlitz sleeps in the car, you can see how modern cars are driving in the background.
          Sherlock Holmes ran on the roof with television antennas, and Bondarchuk in "War and Peace" the soldiers have buttons with stars.
          Yes, if you take this "expert" for a detailed examination, then you can determine that he is far from ideal - from a boil on the priest, to relatives abroad!) laughing
        4. Konnick
          Konnick April 5 2021 16: 27
          +3
          I will add another touch, the 1st separate Special Cavalry Brigade (Kremlin) was involved in the battle shooting, where L.M. Dovator served as chief of staff, who, being a good horseman, led his cavalrymen on the set. In the episode of the duel between Alexander Nevsky and the master of the Livonian Order, Nikolai Cherkasov's backup was Senior Lieutenant Nikolai Ivanovich Buchilev (1898-1987), and the master's backup was Vladimir Avraamovich Surkov (1909-1982), in the future Major General of Tank Forces.
        5. noel
          noel 20 June 2021 22: 34
          0
          About Eisenstein's comment - a late patriotic tale that was replicated in the wake of the anti-German policy of the Second World War (Mikhailovich himself hardly knew that at that time he was being prepared for his fellow Jews from his neighbors). At the time of 1938, the USSR and the Reich had a full honeymoon so that by 1939 the film was already withdrawn from the box office so that good-neighborly relations would not stir.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 4 2021 10: 56
      +24
      Quote: SaLaR
      .THIS IS A FILM ... not a reconstruction ..

      GREAT FILM !!! GREAT ACTORS !!! And before looking for inconsistencies in Soviet masterpieces, they would look for them in contemporary directors. Mikhalkov, for example. They (modern "figures") do not look so far, and it is easier to check them. So go ahead! And DO NOT TOUCH Soviet films !!!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 4 2021 11: 19
        +2
        here is an example of today's mediocrity of costume designers

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      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey April 4 2021 17: 57
        +12
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        This film was filmed in Alma-Ata, when the country was choking with blood, at the fronts!

        In 1938 year?
    4. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 5 2021 18: 06
      +2
      Quote: SaLaR
      Naroood ... THIS IS A FILM ... not a reconstruction ... Patriotic film ... Idea ... !!!! Target .. !!!! .. not rivets

      Quite right. To demand reliability from a FEATURE film with a modest budget, even in costumes, is the height of stupidity. The film has fulfilled its role for yat! What else does?
  2. Petrik66
    Petrik66 April 4 2021 10: 55
    +4
    it is not clear what to spend as much as 2 hours on?
  3. JD1979
    JD1979 April 4 2021 10: 57
    +12
    When the cat has nothing to do - he licks the balls, so are the critics of the couch. But "Zoya" and other things are just perfection in everything.
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR April 4 2021 11: 01
      +1
      onizh YakspErty ..... wassat
  4. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 4 2021 11: 00
    +10
    Well, in fact, like small children who suddenly found out that Santa Claus is not real, but just some drunken uncle with a beard on an elastic band.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 April 4 2021 11: 08
      +10
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Well, in fact, like small children who suddenly found out that Santa Claus is not real, but just some drunken uncle with a beard on an elastic band.


      Well, why? How to continue to live now?
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 4 2021 11: 07
    +10
    I remember very well the phrase of the chain mail master Ignat: "Oh, the chain mail is short." And the film was released just after the Munich agreement.
    Sometimes one is amazed when modern historians consider (or even refute, criticize) even medieval authors, they believe that they know better today.
    Let’s not touch the SHEDEVR. And whoever is itching to do it, it’s better to do "bloopers", for example, in "Star Wars".
  6. sabakina
    sabakina April 4 2021 11: 15
    +11
    Alexander Nevsky say .... And tell me why the luminaries of Hollywood got fish eyes when they saw the film "Amphibian Man"? For they could not understand how the Russians managed to make underwater filming with the then development of the technology of the film industry.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf April 4 2021 11: 21
      +6
      Hollywood surprised us with its black men ... and heroes in all eras of cinema. It would be better to show how the leaders of the Negroes sold their fellow tribesmen to the "ebony" traders.
  7. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 4 2021 11: 17
    +4
    what nonsense
    there is nothing to do to chel?
  8. 1536
    1536 April 4 2021 11: 53
    +2
    People are looking forward to new films on the same themes that were made on the eve of the Great Patriotic War. Only filmed using modern technology. Moreover, they expect these films to completely repeat the inner mood that was then, and not reproduce delirium when everything is viewed in the position of some, for example, a catalytic monk-spy of the cross or a dervish-leader from very distant countries. Here is a great field of activity for reenactors. But alas.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 April 4 2021 12: 45
      +15
      Good afternoon! With all due respect, but ... You know, it’s better not. These new films from the current * filmmakers *. That’s just, don’t! At all. From them. Nothing. For ... For, they are not capable! Professional unsuitability.


      Better an old movie masterpiece than their new movie suffering. This is of course purely my opinion.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 4 2021 18: 53
        +5
        .This is of course purely my opinion.


        The opinion is completely to the point, I support. good
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 4 2021 18: 58
          +4
          There is a well-known phrase about Soviet actors, and if we paraphrase it slightly, then Soviet cinema is getting better and better from year to year. Alas, this applies not only to the art of cinema.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 4 2021 19: 15
            +3
            This is about our life - "not even a circus, but a continuous movie" (about Vovochka). laughing
      2. Artem76
        Artem76 April 5 2021 12: 50
        +2
        There is truth in your words ...
        Once, while on a business trip, I went to dinner at a restaurant at the hotel. During the same period, a series was filmed in this town, and they just lived in the same hotel. People are known to many (but here, for obvious reasons, I will not name). In general, at dinner (about 10-15 people of this "hang out") with a face of the kind "we are already living without seeing" or "zamokhozhiznivaabsheneet!" Here's the script for the movie .... And half of them were sitting in smartphones, and generally not from "this world" ... So it's better to let their serials shoot ....
    2. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather April 5 2021 12: 41
      +1
      There is no one to shoot. I don’t remember that at the moment we had normal scriptwriters and normal directors. Actors can still be found ...
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  10. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 4 2021 19: 49
    +4
    Rivets and other external entourage are the quality of the decorations. Modern films are such that apart from the quality of the scenery, there is nothing to talk about. And in those films there was an Idea.
  11. storm
    storm April 4 2021 20: 33
    +1
    Two short and unkempt individuals chat about something vague about the "singing" knights ...
  12. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather April 5 2021 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: knn54
    I remember very well the phrase of the chain mail master Ignat: "Oh, the chain mail is short." And the film was released just after the Munich agreement.
    Sometimes one is amazed when modern historians consider (or even refute, criticize) even medieval authors, they believe that they know better today.
    Let’s not touch the SHEDEVR. And whoever is itching to do it, it’s better to do "bloopers", for example, in "Star Wars".

    If you are serious about looking for blunders in "Star Wars", then I'm afraid they need to be completely re-shot in order to correct all the inaccuracies ... laughing
  13. ratcatcher
    ratcatcher April 6 2021 14: 23
    0
    Very good analysis! Thanks!
    Negative comments leave the impression that these people did not even try to watch the analysis, but immediately began to pour out the negative.
  14. Victor Prokushev_2
    Victor Prokushev_2 12 May 2021 08: 33
    0
    The film is an interesting but a bit of a movie myth. Knights in tournament armor, in battle.